the prime minister to improve discipline in schools and in education who are widely. so can i ask the prime minister as a head of government what special measures he plans with his education secretary who's field to do his homework properly in the last few weeks. >> i think in the week of the mandleson memoirs to get a lecture on ill discipline -- i mean, we used to say -- you know, we used to say the government that they formed -- we used to say it was dysfunctional that they were all at a each other's throats. we were wrong. it was much, much worse than that. >> thank you, mr. speaker. the prime minister will be aware that former anthony malone has languished in an afghan jail in two years and is still being held in lieu of an outstanding debt. given his punishment is in

breach of international law will he secure mr. malone's release? >> i think he's absolutely right to raise this case. and it is a worrying case and i can assure him that his family and friends that the british embassy continue to raise this case with the afghanistan authorities. the ambassador in kabul has raised the case and we are in discussion at the this coming wednesday, another minister will stand in for david cameron. you can watch this live on c- span2 at 7:00 a.m. eastern. and then our web site, c- span.org, you can find an archive of past prime ministers questions. tomorrow, a discussion on the obama administration regulatory

policies. also, a look at the latest unemployment numbers and benefits with james oates of the department of labor. following that, a discussion of david cameron's visit to the white house. that is live at 7:00 a.m. eastern here on c-span. >> c-span is now available in over 100 million homes, bringing you washington, your way. a public service created by america's cable companies. >> next, an arizona senate primary debate with incumbent senator john mccain, former congressman j.d. hayworth and jim deakin. they met in their second final televised debate before the august primary.

>> 29, small business owner jim deakin, far worse, it -- congressman j.d. hayworth and senator john mccain. now, your moderator, bill but master. >> good evening, everybody and thank you for joining us for this opportunity to see and hear from the three republican candidates running for the united states senate representing arizona. also with us is jim deakin, who

operates a small business in phoenix. before we began, a few words about the ground rules. we will keep this very simple. each candidate will have 90 seconds to answer my question. rebuttals will be 45 seconds and 30 seconds to the candidate that was asked the original question. we will carve out about 90 seconds for each tended to give a closing second -- canada to give a closing statement. a lot has been said and written about. who is the more conservative in this race? what makes you think you are the most conservative? >> it is great to have all three of us be considered conservatives. that is what we need more of in washington d.c.. i am more conservative because i run a business. you have to balance a budget we run a business.

-- when you run a business. they have never started anything from the ground up and they have been working for somebody else. the also voted for things like medicaid part d which is not a conservative value. those are some of the things that make a difference between the three of us. they try to build and grow businesses and keep people employed and that is what we need more of. we need more people getting paychecks that unemployment checks. >> congressman, who is more conservative? >> if we go by the gauge of the american conservative union, it would be candid if that is speaking right now. the endorsement of the gun owners of america and here is the interesting thing that john

maine mention of last night. citizens against government waste, but i actually have a better life time score than does john mccain. i am right on the issues. note to amnesty. note to the bailouts that cost $700 billion and then one not -- another $150 billion. i think that camp and trade is a horrible idea. when it comes to tax cuts, i helped write the tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 that john not only voted against, they said they were tax cuts for the rich. it sounds a lot more like john kerry than the john mccain that i used to work with. >> senator mccain, are you the most conservative? >> j.d. mention that these organizations the arizona right to life endorsed a.

the citizens for taxation endorsed me. these are independent, objective observers. he came back and was a paid lobbyist. he was a late-night star on infomercials'. i am proud to have the sheriff's support me in the 30 mayors in this state and know that i can be most effective for them in washington, including the farm bureau and the chamber of commerce and all of these organizations that judge as independently as opposed to a rather subjective view that you just heard. i am very proud to be a

conservative. the difference between me and congressman hayworth comes down to spending. he defended it pork-barrel spending. those of us that stood up against this pork barrel spending, they are proud of our record for doing so. >> let's do some rebuttals. congressman hayworth, we will give you 45 seconds and we will give mr. mccain 45 seconds, and mr. deegan will get 30 seconds. >> we both agree that facts are stubborn things. when you take a look at your record, that bailout vote, one vote, $150 billion in earmarks. you attack me, saying that i proposed or sponsored or championed a $70 billion in earmarks. even if it were true, you more

than doubled that your mark. you are proving that you are not fiscally conservative. >> those were tax provisions. you know that. they were tax provisions, and you know that. they were not the earmarks of the citizens against government waste and i fought so hard against time after time. this was a gateway to corruption. this is one former members of congress reside in federal prison. this is why the american people rejected us out of the majority of most houses. they pushed him out in 2006 because of the spending that got out of control. we went from surpluses at the beginning of our republican majority to deficits because we let spending get out of control. i am proud to have fought every day against it. >> i just think it is great to

see two big spenders talking about how they cut taxes. the debt grew by 400%. that is not acceptable to the american people. we need growth in the private sector, not in the government. they both have ratings from different agencies that only look at the title of the bill when they decide if it is a good bill to be presented. the congressman voted to increase the national debt limit. that is not a good conservative value. >> let's move on to border security. is it possible to completely secure arizona's border with mexico? after all, all but 50 miles of our border is fenced. the border patrol says that they have a record number of agents right now and apprehensions are down.

>> first of all, i just have to point out that once again, john mccain is wrapped in history. that bill had $150 billion in earmarks. by the way, we need to get the real story. in terms of border security, and we should know that it is a tested phrase, we must secure the border. when you take a look at what has happened, we still have a long way to go. words . maybe he would do a better job on the border. president obama said that we

cannot secure the border. imagine that irony. the candidate that said yes we can, when it comes to this constitutional provision suddenly says no we can't. we have to have our troops on the border, are standing military. we have to do other measures that i hope we will talk about tonight. >> is our border secure, senator? >> know it is not. amnesty means no penalty. i have never supported any provision that has no penalty. the violence that has taken place on the other side of our border has so dramatically escalated. after we failed in 2006, i said in 2007 that we have to secure the borders. when i ran for president, i said that we had to secure the borders first. we call on sending troops to the border. we invited the president to come

to the border. why should our constituents in southern arizona be subject to a sign that says "morning?" why should the police chief say that his policeman have been threatened with murder? this violence just yesterday, there was this car bombing in more as to -- juarez. we want the president to come and see the border. the next time he is on a fund- raising trip with harry reid, come and see why we need to get our borders secured first. i just came from a visit to israel. >> jim deakin tomah?

>> for six years, we have a republican senate and house of representatives. they say that they want to secure the border. the other says that they wrote the book on border security. we have the responsibility to do something about it and he did nothing. he voted for the patriot act and to make it permanent and no child left behind. it boasted -- both of them have voted for amnesty. ronald reagan signed an amnesty bill and the senator was a congressman at that time. both of them voted in 1996 for amnesty provisions. they both voted against putting an army on the border. we need to build a fence. we need to put border patrol on the border where they belong. we need to start verifying all the social welfare programs. we need to make sure that the people who are taking advantage

of public services deserve to be here. >> let's go to our rebuttal. 45 seconds with senator mccain on border security. >> the situation is dire. we have the federal government suing the state of arizona because the federal government has not fulfilled its responsibilities to secure the border. they are suing the state of arizona. why are they not shooing staccato -- suing chicago? that she stood up. the fact is, our federal government .

>> we have hundreds of laws on immigration and naturalization requirements. all of this is the responsibility congress. this is all included in title 8 which is the immigration and naturalization code. congress has the ability, because we have three equal branches of government, they have the ability to use the confirmation process to hold the executive branch accountable and make them enforce the laws that are already on the books. >> as a former broadcaster, i am amazed to hear that senator

mccain is no surprise. arizona, because the feds would not act, because john was writing that amnesty bill with ted kennedy when i was there, arizona had to act. senate bill 1070 says that president obama wants to ignore existing law and john mccain sought to erase existing law. >> we are going to stay with border security and talking about immigration. senator, you get the next question. do you believe that there needs to be comprehensive immigration reform and what should it include? >> that is an excellent question. obviously, it is a situation where we have 12 million people in this country illegally. jim deakin is right. in the 1980's, we gave amnesty for 2.5 million people and that promise was that we secure the

border. the american people do not believe us. that is why we have to secure the borders first. we can do it without the expenditure of too much money, especially compared with the cost and the human suffering of these people that are being serviced -- smuggled across and the drugs and being brought into our country and the brutality that exists. we have to secure the border first. according to michael chertoff, there are too many people in this country already that have committed crimes. if you strictly enforce the laws where employers that employee insurance illegally, there are some exceptions. there is a soldier in iraq that i knew that i met that was a green card holder. his wife's mother is in this

country illegally. i am not want to deporter while she -- while he is fighting in iraq. there are cases that have to be addressed. the moral to this story is to get the border secured first. then we can address the issue in a comprehensive fashion after the borders are secure. >> mr. jim deakin, you are next. >> i think that the senator nailed it. the american people do not trust them anymore. neither one of these men were able to secure the border. they spent decades in washington d.c. and did not do anything about it. we need to have immigration reform, but we need to have a definition difference because immigration is one thing. that is naturalization. we have to have a real conversation about the difference between immigration and migration. people that just want to come here to work.

when you have that different -- that definition differentiation, then we can have a rope conversation. they just want to come here to make their lives better. >> congressman, on immigration reform. >> this is interesting both of my opponents favored amnesty. we heard about migration. that is what we hear from journals and journalists. john talked about the cost. he did the study and the long- term cost for medicare and social security that you wanted to give illegals that you would grant citizenship to, $2.60 trillion. that sounds sustainable. we have heard a new poll that shows up in john's constituent

letters. they want to offer illegals incentives and regularize them. here we have an amnesty being promoted by another name. it is exactly the wrong course of action. >> it sounds like it is time for rebuttal. jim deakin first. >> i thought i was first. >> this question with to you originally, so you will get the last for a bottle. >> this is way too complicated for him. >> i think i am glad on the ball. >> they told me in my ear just now that i am right. >> i apologize. >> i think it is great that a congressman is talking about medicaid costs. is that part of medicaid that you talked about? >> i want to make one quick

comment. >> the matter of fact is they both failed. the have to do something about the number. enforcement works. arizona is proving that. there is a mass exodus in arizona because of the law. call what is complaining about it and in mexico is complaining about it. in for some of the law does work. -- enforcement of the law does work. >> jim said that we should work to preserve health care. we assured medicare into the 21st century and even those that were initially critical of that kind of solution to update the entitlement, in the final analysis they said that the free market reform actually saved it. understand the irony. john mccain did not want to have prescription drug coverage for citizens, but he is happy to give it away in terms of

expansion in medicare in his amnesty bill. >> now, you get a 32nd or bottle. >> -- now you get a 30 second rebuttal. >> i voted against it. the fact is, this is a serious issue. there is violence in northern mexico. the most vicious of all the drug cartels is headed by a guy that is doing terrible things. when a transport these human beings across the border, the keep them under the most terrible conditions. where is the human rights act for these people? the way that you fix this problem is to get our borders sealed. >> in recent months, much has been made about the role of the

federal government. some say that washington is overstepping its constitutional bounds. do you believe the federal government is delving into areas that it does not belong in? >> it very much has. do you have a timeout chair? we may need it. they were pretty ugly last night. the government has been overstepping its constitutional authority for decades. they do not deserve all the blame for it. things like the department of education, the department of energy, all of these things that are not included in the powers of the constitution. they extended even 30 -- even murder. -- even further.

these things are way beyond the bounds of this constitution. if we are going to have epa regulation, it has to be on the state level. the 10th amendment says that anything that is not enumerated powers in the constitution belongs to the states. if we compete, then we have better states and better economies. getting out of the department of education, is a swiss cheese factory. we need to keep that money in our states and put that money into the classrooms so that teachers make a living wage. >> if the government putting its -- is the government putting its nose where it doesn't belong? >> i think that historians will look back at the 20th century and note the rise of the defacto fourth branch of government, the regulatory bureaucracy, that is why i will introduce the congressional responsibility act which would simply mandate that

every regulation proposed by the washington bureaucrats be brought to the house and the senate for an up or down vote, so constitutional officers can be held accountable. i testified before the house judiciary committee. they said that if we do that, we would not have time to do much else. jokingly, i said that that is a bad thing? there was another good idea called the enumerated powers act. i called it a citation act. for any bill introduced by a member of the house or the senate, the sponsor in the opening language to the bill should cite the specific provision in the constitution that gives the legislative branch the constitutional authority to act in the first place. those are measures that we can utilize to restore our constitutional republic and the rights and powers of the legislative branch. >> isn't the federal government

overstepping its bounds? >> of course, but that is a result of the dramatic increase in the size of government. government has doubled in size since 1999. we have seen bill after bill being passed through congress. what has it done? we now have a deficit that has mortgaged our children's futures and the greatness of america is that we have handed off to the next generations to route our history a better nation than the one we inherited. i cannot say that for the next generation. the 13 trillion dollar debt. how much do we of the chinese? my favorite bumper sticker says to please do not tell president obama what comes after a trillion. we've voted against all of these big spending practices and we have had some good luck.

come next january, we will start out with a balanced budget amendment and repeal and replace obama-care. >> let's do some rebuttals. congressman, your next. >> i have got to tell you, when i returned to private life in early 2007, i believe that total spending was 2.7 trillion. john would claim that he is a fiscal conservative. your amnesty plan would cost $2.60 trillion in deficits alone. you are at in a position to lecture us about fiscal responsibility. he voted for the bailout, $700 billion to the big wall street investment banks and $150 billion in earmarks. yet he is spending millions of dollars trying to tell us that he is opposed to earmarks. john is not telling us the truth. >> did you get that?

when i returned to private life? the voters sent him back. it was not exactly an act of voluntary action to return to private life and then become a paid lobbyist for a buddy of his in florida or to do infomercials, which he said he did not do due diligence. channel 4 here in tucson did an investigation and said that this is a terrible scam. so, what did congressman hayworth do? how much did you get paid for that by the way? how can you call yourself a conservative when you tell people to pay thousands of dollars for a seminar so that they can get free money? >> mr. deegan, do you want to weigh in on this? >> that timeout chair is sounding better and better, isn't it. all i can say is that they both did it.

the fact remains, the government grew by 12 times while the senator was in office and 400% while the congressman was there. my paycheck is not for under% bigger and i can guarantee your paycheck is not for under% bigger and that is why the american people want citizen legislators to take washington d.c. by storm. we have nearly one in 10 americans who are out of work right now. if you have to point to one thing, what would be the stimulus to get the american economy on track? . .

>> all of those people have endorsed and supported me. that's because i've worked hard both in washington and here in arizona on behalf of those people. they're hurting. i was at starbucks. this guy says, i just lost my line of credit. a woman stood up and said, i'm being thrown out of my home. these are gripping stories. and we have to get people back in their homes and let them stay in their homes and get the incentives for small businesses to be able to employ people. we need a payroll tax holiday. we need to cut corporate taxes. we need to do a whole lot of things which will give small and large business some kind of confidence about their future. and right now, arizona and america's hurting. they need leadership. i led in the fight against obama care. i led against supplemental spending, i led against this

pork barrel stimulus package. i was fled that fight. and i'm proud in my role in washington against one of the biggest movements of the federal government into the left when we really need a country that can be governed from the center and from the right. >> this question about economic security. what do you do to get this economy going, deacon? >> what we need to do is federal government regulations. let the state take care of the regulations because that's what the constitution requires. i don't want to reform government. i want to dismantle it. because the federal government putting its thumb and its paperwork into individual businesses is killing our economy. both of these gentlemen, they say they support tax cuts. they didn't make the bush tax cuts. it wasn't a priority.

they don't say what regulations they're going to cut because they put a lot of those regulations when they were in congress. >> senator mccain? rebutal. >> things were very tough. americans are great. arizonaians are tough. we -- arizonaans are tough. a huge election is coming up this november. the tea parties people standing up and saying we've had enough have been very important this this movement. and i am confident that starting next january when we have a majority in both houses, we can say no funds will be expended in order to implement obama care. we can cut taxes. we can stop the spending. many republicans are committed to do that. we've just got to get them to do that. the american people believe republicans abandoned them when we let spending get out of control and we paid for it. now we've got to make them another props and this time

we'll keep it. >> mr. deacon, 45 seconds on the economy. >> well, i'm glad you brought up the tea party. i've been marching on the street complaining about the regular lages that they put into place, complaining about the policies they pushed through. the senator never objected. instead he offered amendments to the bill. he was part of the problem. if you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. they both had the opportunity to stand by the united states constitution, to cut regulations. to cut the size of government, to reduce the amount of paperwork that's burdened on insurance companies and doctors and anybody that works in business, anybody that has a manufacturing plant. that is what's pushing our industries out of this country. >> ok. congressman, you got the first question on this. you get the final rebuttal. >> hearing all the talks about

the tea party, the old broadcaster, breaking news. i've got the call, the east valley tea party has formerly endorsed my candidacy. this is the latest endorsement that i've received from national tea party organizations. and the tea party movement is something that we should really treasure because it indicates that people understand the common sense. lower taxes, lower government spending equates with economic prosperity and more jobs. >> now we're going to get into foreign affairs. you'll get this question, senator mccain. in afghanistan, i believe we're in the longest war in our history. do we need an exit strategy and senator, if so, what should that exit strategy look like? >> the exit strategy is exactly the same that we employ in iraq. you get a counterinsurgency

that succeeds. and once the government is in control and the local authorities and military have imposed a society that people can live in without fear, then you can leave. and in afghanistan, it's especially important because we can never allow eaching to return -- afghanistan to return to their base. we've got a great general in general petraeus. and we have the finest men and women who are serving and they are well equipped and well trained. but also the fact is that we have a big problem. and that is that the president of the united states announced that we were leaving the middle of next year. i asked general petraeus in the hearing, did any military person recommend that? he said no. and we are sending the wrong message. as you know, i was just in afghanistan. a police chief in kandahar said, the taliban are saying that you're leaving and if we cooperate that they're going to cut our heads off.

no one follows an uncertain trumpet. i amount confident with the right leadership and conditions-based withdraw we will enjoy the same success that we enjoyed in iraq. i stood up for the surge when everybody said it wouldn't work and that my political ambitions were doomed. i was right. >> mr. deacon, on the very important question of afghanistan. >> right. afghanistan is not just troubling. it's an abomination. we've been eight years in afghanistan, longer than the civil war, longer than the revolutionary war, longer than world war ii. the leadership isn't working which is why i'm running for the united states senate. we need people that are willing to use what the founding fathers wanted for our policies in the -- around the world. they want us to use trade and anti-trade policies. the free trade agreements that both of my opponents have voted for have sent our industries overseas. we need to use the anti-trade policies to get countries like

afghanistan, pakistan and yemen to police their own countries. we need to stop having our politicians that use us as a police force. only then can we solve the problems in afghanistan because they are their own country. they have sovereignty themselves. and they have an idea of what they want for their lives. as long as we impose our will on them, they'll never corporate fully. >> i'm pleased to see that john mccain agrees with me. i believe that john's term was "an uncertain trumpet". it's more than an uncertainty. it undergirds this administration. we actually have a commander in chief wanting to give medals for our folks not fighting. what an insult that is for the men and women who do any task we ask of them and are fe nominal for -- denominal for

us. we need to make sure that this commander in chief allows his commander on the ground to change the rules of engagement so that our troops can engage in war fighting. i thought it was interesting that john said there should not be a date certain. i agree. i remember this well in 2005, you held up the defense appropriations to get rid of enhanced interrogation techniques. we know in the fullness of time that at least four 9/11 attacks were used by the use of interrogation. the problem was in the statute, in the language, we put out for our enemies to see that we would subscribe to the army field manual. we told our enemies in essence allowing them to teach to the test that was wrong headed. and if we're not going have a

date certain to get out, we shouldn't give a good picture of the battlefield in terms of what we'll do to enemy combatants. >> mr. deacon, first rebuttal for you on the afghanistan question. >> congress has the authority to declare war. that's what coal lynn powell wanted to do. that's why he didn't support john mccain for presidency. they wouldn't allow him to use the full force of might to go in and win in afghanistan, but he wanted to. we need new leadership in washington, d.c. people that will listen to our military leaders. and when it's time to declare war which is almost never, but when we have that time to come to defend ourselves, we need to use the full force of might of our american military. >> you get the next rebuttal. 45 seconds. >> again, i appreciated both these gentlemen and their service to the united states navy. i think we all know the story of john mccain's service and sacrifice. but i have to tell you in many

ways, unfortunately, senator mccain has been an obama enabler. you said we should close the prison at gitmo. what a mistake that is to bring enemy combatants to the united states and this president and his attorney general used that as the pretext to bring the enemy combatants to try to win them for new york city for a trial in criminal court. john, they were guilty of committing acts of war against the united states. it's time to call these actions what they are and take the steps to prevent them. >> 30 seconds on afghanistan. >> you don't understand, according to congressman hayward, we didn't declare war on germany. let me just tell you a quick story. by the way in the army field manual, we allow for certain special techniques. i would say that in camp buka the largest prison camp in the world, 27,000 people. we were taken to a place where we met a former high-ranking al-qaeda figure.

of course, in our conversation, i said how did you succeed so well after the initial invasion. he said one, the chaos that was there which led to murder and rape and pillage, the other al-qaeda. we recruited tens of thousands of young men because of abu ghraib. i know for a fact that you can get better information for using the kind of techniques that we approved of. and i know for a fact that if you torture somebody and inflict enough physical pain, they'll tell you anything you want to know. there's always one in a million case. that's when the president takes responsibility. i know about this very, very well. >> jim deacon, let's switch gears to heal care. here in arizona there's as much as a million residents in our state that do not have health insurance. what needs to be done with those who are not covered with health insurance. and whose responsibility is it to ensure that all americans

have access to affordable health care? >> well, i guess that depends on your definition, because right now many of those that are considered in those numbers that you're quoting are illegal aliens. and we should not be providing health insurance. if they want to come here, then they should go back to the line in their home countries. that's what we should do with that group of them. another big portion is the young people that think they're impervious. they don't want health insurance. they don't want to pay for it, no matter the cost. when you're 20 years old, your health insurance isn't that high. it makes a big difference to a young man, especially if he's courting a young woman. so those are the personal decisions that we make and the federal government should have no role on pushing anything on anybody. we make individual decisions because we have liberty and freedom in this country. and as soon as we lose that by giving additional government --

additional power to the government, we lose those freedoms. i want to ensure that a young man or a young woman that wants to live their lives the way they want to live it, are allowed to do that. >> what do you say to the people that have no insurance here in arizona? >> we have a program for the medically indigent. the real problem is what is not a delivery of health but a redistribution of wealth, the obama care that will cost $3 billion not to mention the amnesty that john has tried to give twice to illegals. i guess people would laugh at it. you have to laugh to keep from crying. it's horrible what's going on with health care cost. and the senator has aided and abetted it with his amnesty bill. let's get back to americans who need it. the great triumph for me is to encourage americans to take

control of their own health care and have special tax-free savings accounts to do so. speak of the tax code, we should provide tax deductions, tax credits to every business that offers health insurance not merely big business and medical liability reform has to figure into this. what you have right now is just unthinkable spending for a come par tiffly small slice of the american populace. we don't need obama care. it's too bad john wanted to come home for christmas. all he wanted to do is demand the bill be read. they could have stayed and fought it instead of talking about repeel. >> health care? >> it's not the quality of care, it's the cost of care. the higher the cost the more difficult it is to provide health insurance for those individuals you just talked about. day after day, week after day even on weekends we fought obama care. i led that fight on

the floor of the senate. reading the bill would have delayed the passage of it. we fought. and we fought hard. we had alternatives to obama care because our goal has got to be to preserve quality of care and bring down the cost. we could do that by medical malpractice reform. get insurance of your choice, small businesses joining together to get health insurance policies of their choice. establishments of rules so that insurance companies with people with pre-existing conditions so that insurance companies will bid on them. there's a long list beginning with medical malpractice reform which is nowhere in those 340 pages of the obama care bill. i'm proud of the fight we republicans waged. there was only 40 of us at the time before scott brown joined us. and we had a tough fight. because of that fight, the majority of americans still

want obama care repealed. and next january we'll begin with repeal and replace. >> the rebuttal. >> we were initially happen for chris brown. he voted on dodd's bill. now john, you said you led the fight. this is fascinating. you've ended up on the losing sight of so many fights. you said to read the bill will only delay the passage. rahm emanuel was in harry reid's office as it was being debated if they had to come down and have it incomplete with gavel to gavel coverage even the network anchors would have been forced to report the story. we could have defeated the bill. that's the biggest difference. john mccain has led in losing fights. we don't need a last line of defense. we need a first line of advocacy for arizona and to take up conserve tiff causes. >> -- conservative causes.

>> groucho mark said, you can lead the fight. providing the men and women with the equipment and training that they need to win. to stand up against obama care. to stand up against my own president when spending got out of control when he wouldn't increase the troops in iraq. standing up and fighting on the floor of the united states senate and accomplishing the record that i'm very, very proud of. thanks. >> thank you. >> mr. deacon? >> he co-sponsored a bill with rahm emanuel, the president's right hand man to increase capital gains tax on song writers. so works with people that we

don't like. and the f.f.a. is another edition to corrupt the tax code. we need to repeople it and go to a fair -- repeel it and go to a fair tax system. >> i'm going to cut this one down from 90 seconds to one minute. but we should have -- this should be an interesting question for all of you. we're going to take a moment right now starting with the congressman to set the record straight. if you had to pick one thing that bothers you the most about what you have been hearing tonight, take this opportunity to give us in your view what is untrue about it. and set the record straight. >> i can't believe my good fortune, but the challenge is only a minute. it only is. >> so you'll get your 90 seconds. >> i guess it's this -- john you wrote the book "worth the fighting for." you relate what with happened in south carolina.

you said in a political contest, given the choice between losing and lying, i chose lying. john, i'm sorry to say that it appears history is repeating itself as you deal with half truths as you deal with blatant character attacks as you fail to own up to attacks that hurt this nation. the million of dollars in attack ads that john mccain has run against me. >> what's bothered you that you've heard? >> that's a pretty strong attack there and i'm really tempted to respond. but i'm reminded what senate bob dole told me. he said never get into a wrestling match with a pig. you both get dirty and the pig likes it. i'm very proud of my record. i'm very proud of my record. i guess if i had to change anything in the past many years it's maybe that i didn't do

enough for the men and women who are serving. we are proud of our service to the vets. but you know, we need to keep working for them every day and keep them in our hearts and minds. and i'm proud of my record with veterans and all that. but i guess what i would say is that having a family in the military, we can always do more. we can never do enough for the men and women who are serving in our military. >> thank you. mr. deacon, anything tonight that is kind of under your skin? >> well, nothing really -- >> what's the number one thing that's bothering you. are >> as a person who has never run for office, i encourage people to learn about me. my opponents can't talk about me because i don't have a legislative record. they talk about what they've done to each other and to this country. and that's what people need. that's what the tea party actually stand for is being educated voter, being an educated electorate.

when we are educated on what's going on in our country and who's representing us, then we make better decisions and we vote differently than what we do. i encourage the people of arizona to vote your principles. stay with your principles and stay with the person that actually answers these questions and gives real solutions. >> i'm going to change it up. let's just do 20 seconds quick rebuttal the under the skin thing. starting senator mccain. >> 20 more seconds. the thing that's bothering you the most this is the rebuttal. >> i think the thing that's bothering me more than anything else is obviously our jobs in the economy. but i'm worried about our position in the world. we are sounding an uncertain trumpet. we have to stand up and met our challenges. i'm confident that the military can do the job. i'm very worried about our leadership in the white house. >> 20-second rebuttal. >> i guess a couple of things, i'm not really on the political

front. john, i was chairman of the veterans affairs committee. i would have loved your active involvement when bob and i were in the g.i. bill. i would have loved for you to be involved. >> 20 second before we go to closing statements. >> i was stuck with the montgomery g.i. bill and that was a horrible reform of the veterans' benefits. you shouldn't be proud of that one. again, both of these guys have been there. if you're happy with the way government is now, if you're happy with the interference the government's putting in your life, either one of them are the same. >> we have 90 seconds from each of you with your closing statement. we're going go reverse in alphabetical order. and we're going to start with senator mccain. >> thanks bill. and thanks for hosting this event tow tonight. and i appreciate it very much. a little less than two weeks

ago, i had the great honor of celebrating our independence day in afghanistan, with general petraeus and men and women who are serving our country with such courage and integrity. and it was a great honor for me to spend that time with them. and you know, i also go out to walter reid and bethesda from time to time and visit our wounded, our wounded warriors who inspire me with their courage and their fortitude. arizona in tucson has been mourning the loss of a brave man chris. he joined the military and joined and sacrificed on behalf of freedom. our thoughts and our prayers go out to their family and friends. he was family and friends to

some. and he wrote to us all. so could i say that chris moon, and pat tollman and so many great ones will continue to inspire me to continue to serve this country and help them and help them return in victory and honor. the great honor of my life is to be able to serve this country in the united states senate. i humbly ask for your support and your vote on august 24th. thank you. >> thank you. thank you. congressman? >> bill we'll start with a point of agreement. i give thanks for everyone who has been willing to stand-up for this country. whether in stateside or in some far flung posting or in the combat zone, those who served in the past, those who serve now, it's because they stand in the breach that we have a political process when we have disagreements in terms of public policy. we make a change through the political process. john mccain has served us a

long time and in many ways he served us well. but after 20 years in washington, d.c., we just disagree. his amnesty bill, $2.6 million to illegal aliens. $700 billion for wall street and $150 billion in earmarks. his cap and trade bill with joe lieberman. and john voted against in 2001 and 2003 calling them tax cuts for the rich. i really loved working with the old john mccain. this new john mccain is somewhat like john kerry. that's why it's time for a consistent conservative in the united states senate with the endorsement of joe arpaio, i ask for your vote in the upcoming republican primary. >> mr. deacon, looks like you will get the next turn.

>> thank you for having us. next time pop sickles. we've got brighten the mood. it gets a little heavy in here some times. in 1989 when i was discharged from the navy, i moved to arizona. i moved here because of cost of living, the opportunities for business and education and employment. it was a great place to come. we have great outdoors. we can hunt and fish. the cost of milk was very cheap. the cost of gas was very cheap. we could live in the state. because of the growth of government, everything is costing more because we have to pay for the federal government. that's not acceptable to me. both of my opponents voted to increase the national debt limit. they're both saying they're very conservative but they voted to increase the national debt limit. they voted for tax cuts. but they voted to increase tax on my children, my grandchildren and my great, great grandchildren. that is not acceptable to me.

if you've had enough, if the voters have had enough, i encourage them to get to know jim deacon because i have real solutions to the problems. you've heard some of those tonight. there's a lot more information on my website. or you can call me. i actually answer my own e-mails. i don't have a staff. so if you have enough, you do have a choice. >> ok. thank you. gentlemen, thank you all very much for spending an hour with us tonight. thank you very much. >> i appreciate it. >> that will wrap up our special live one hour edition of "arizona illustrated." and best wishes to the three candidates. you can log go to our website with your questions. i'm bill buckner. good evening. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2010]

>> ken fineberg oversees the fund. monday me he speaks to an economic club in washington and takes questions. our live coverage begins at :30 a.m. eastern -- 8:30 a.m. eastern on c-span 2. we bring you a direct link to politics, history, and nonfiction books all as a public service, created by america's cable companies. >> west virginia governor joe mansion apointed one of his aides to take the seat of the late robert byrd. you'll hear remarks from jay rockefeller. this is a little over 30 minutes.

>> senator rockefeller. ann bart representing our beloved senator. mr. president, first lady, the entire family, first mom. just a few moments ago i signed the appropriate paperwork with the secretary of state natalie tenant to make this

announcement official. robert c. byrd because giant. he can never be replaced. i've said we can never fill his shoes, we just only hope that we can fall in his footsteps. i've waited to make this appointment because it is important to do this right. i want to thanks the white house. i want to thank majority leader reid. i want to thank especially senator rockefeller and the entire senate for making this procedure and this process work so flawlessly for allowing west virginia to go through the process we have. they've been most gracious. i truly want to you to carry that back to everybody for us. but the time has now come to appoint someone to the senate who will look out for west virginia who will work hard for west virginia and is a proud west virginiaian. i'm now extremely proud, very, very proud to appoint cart

goodwin to the united states senate. [applause] >> regardless of whoever occupies this seat now and in the future, it will always be known as west virginia's united states senate seat that was occupied for nearly 52 years by our beloved senator robert c. byrd. however, i'm truly confident that mr. goodwin will look out for west virginiaians and i know he's going to work very hard. i've worked

shoulder-to-shoulder with him for four years. i know the man. i know that west virginia is better off because he's past this way. he's been author of some landmark legislation, the hard work that he's had and the love for west virginia. he's fiercely, fiercely independent. we have gone toe-to-toe many times. and that's what i admire about him that he will not back down. when we made our decision, i had nobody that would carry out the wishes of wf more than -- of west virginia more than clark goodwin. as a result he's not only gained my result but my respect. clark is also someone who understands the importance of bringing all sides together. you know i think of so many people that have the true talent to sit down with people

in disgreements and -- disagreement and had disphilosophical beliefs but represents where everyone's coming from. it's really what it's about. we don't have to agree. we don't have to be going down the same highway. you have to respect where people are coming from. you're a better person if you listen. he's done that as well as anybody i've ever seen. i want to tell you one thing that when i know of this man's character, my it was still ehched in our minds. nobody told me. it was all gut. i had lived it before. and i knew what the families were going through. and i tried to comfort them. we went through them and it was a horrible situation.

and we lost 12 wonderful people. not more than three weeks after that, i get a call. and we have another exath exact situation. -- exact situation. there is two men missing. we had more than 60 rescuers who were trying to find the men. friday night, i called cart. i said cart, i don't know what the exact situation and what's going be the end. i don't think it's going be good. but i can tell you, i want you to start tonight. get your team together and start writing legislation. this was friday night late when i called him. i think rocky will attest to this. he left and she didn't see him again until monday night. he kept his team around saturday night, sunday, sunday night. they brought the legislators monday morning. we changed the safety in minds

around the country because of the commitment and hard work that he had. and i appreciate that so much. the goodwin family has a long tradition in west virginia. i don't need to tell you that. some people look at different people and different families and they think, well, this is a tremendous honor and it truly is. and they look at the glamour of it if you will. what you don't see a lot is basically the sacrifices that the wives, the husband, the children, the holidays they give up, the commitment sacrifice, devos, the hobby that they might not have ever been able to take up because of their commitment. there's so much that goes into public representation.

my respect to what you give babbling to -- back to our state and our country. as i introduce him, i want you know that he will join the senate as the youngest senator. he is replacing the most beloved the most historic neigh the senate has ever known and who happened to be the oldest when the good lord took him. what a tremendous -- what a tremendous signal i think that shows of west virginia. but what a tremendous opportunity that we have that we passed this torch to another generation. you know, i continuously have been couraging and pushing young people to get involved in public service. and now we're able to pass that torch to somebody of the generation that hopefully will have the opportunity to lead west virginia in the future. i want to thank each and every one of you for being here today. i want to thanking all of them and all of you who have helped through this process.

i want to thank every west virginiaian who have been so patient. i hope they understand that we wanted to do it right for one purpose and one purpose on only and one man and one man only, robert c. byrd. i think we've honored him as we showed our respect. i think the nation honored him and i know senator rockefeller honored him. i know today we honor him in choosing a replacement, a worthy replacement. i think the senate has just finished its business. we'll go through the process. the house will finish their business. i thank them. we will have a proper way of how we hold an election. the people will take the selection. and it should be in the people. this is the people's seat. that's exactly what robert c. byrd would want. and we're doing because of that. and that's the way it should be done. but without further adieu. let me introduce to you

officially, the newest member of the united states senate card goodwin. [applause] [applause] >> thank you. thank you very much. needless to say it is an immense nonor to -- honor to receive the duty of united

states senator. my responsibility becomes to work hard every day, to maintain the trust of the people of west virginia. i have a deep, deep and abiding faith in our people. and in the days, and weeks and months ahead, my sole objective will to make west virginia proud. andly have no agenda other than to work hard every day for west virginia families. as the governor alluded to senator robert c. byrd perhapss the greatest public servant of our state and our country, and no one could even begin to replace him nor can anyone hope to fill his shoes. but what i can do and what i will do is try my best to emulate his work ethic and his commitment to the law, the constitution and this great state. -- in this great state. [applause]

>> in doing so, i will rely heavily on the guidance and mentorship of guy reck feller. [applause] >> and of course through all my experience serving at the governor's mansion having worked so closely to governor mansion. i was able to see first firsthand the level of commitment, passion that it takes to be an effective public service. it is that level of dedication that i have to take with me to washington. it will not be easy. and it will be a lot of challenges ahead and a lot to learn in a very short period of time. but i'm confident that i'm up to the challenge because i know i can count on the support of my family and my dad who will be looking down, senator

rockefeller and the entire delegation, my friend governor mansion and most -- governor machin and most importantly the people of west virginia. i'm excited about the challenge. [applause] >> i don't -- i'm not sure if you all noticed, but if you noticed the pin that i have on and the pin that carte has on is the constitution. i don't need to tell you why we have those pins on. and let me tell you, the last thing senator byrd did, one of the last things, and he wrote in this book to me and i am passing this book to the new

united states senator that will seated in his honor. [applause] >> with that, i can't tell you what a pleasure it is to have our senior senator with us today. i have for the last four years worked extremely close with this man. he's been a tremendous partner. and i said, you know, in life we have partners. and you're so fortunate if you have a good partner. and i have been so blessed because i know every day he gets up, he's thinking about west virginia. every time i call he's telling me how we can help west virginia. every time he calls me he's giving me an idea how to make west virginia better. and he's never ever let us down. so pleased to have us in this really historical, momentous

occasion, history is being made today, with that let me introduce to you the senior senator from the great state of west virginia, jay rockefeller. [applause] >> thank you. first of all, i want to thank the governor. and say that he has shown extraordinary courage thoughtfulness and wisdom in the way that he has carried out the making of this appointment. it had to be done right. it had to be done in a way that he was truly representing the rights of the people of west virginia to make decisions. and he did that. and if it took a week, it didn't make any difference because he did it right.

so governor, i think there are lots of tests of leadership and this one wasn't a grand one in the -- in the anals of rescuing somebody or some company, but it was an extraordinarily important one. i think you showed your qualities of leadership in the way you handled the making of this point. -- appointment. i want to thank also earl ray tomlin and rick thompson and the entire state legislature for their part in making this come about. obviously, we honor senator byrd. but one thing that senator byrd would say very strongly, there is no such thing as an interim senator. it may be that the months you're appointed to work have a

limitation. but there is no such thing. let me tell you for example what will happen. on tuesday, at 2:00, the democrats will have -- will conclude our caucus which we have every tuesday to discuss policy, a two-hour discussion. extremely important, giving everybody a chance to speak at 2:15, the new senator from west virginia, carte goodwin, in whom i have vast respect, will be sworn in in front of the united states senate and in front of the world. right after that because carte goodwin will make the 60th vote in what is a very necessary piece of legislation, we will take up and pass unemployment

compensation. [applause] >> and i think it's a remarkable signal of who carte is, how important the senate is, how unimportant the word "interim" is. he is a united states senator. there have not been more than 1,800 senators in the history of this country. and carte is our most recent one. he will have all of the powers of any other senator. he probably won't have the biggest, you know, home base at the beginning. he may have to walk up one

floor to get to the first floor. but none of that makes any difference. that's why the word" senior junior" doesn't mean anything. it is what do you know? can you express yourself? are you genuine? are you tough in the rules of engagement? but fair. can you reach across the aisle? can you bring others with you? and most importantly what i started off with, how much do you know? that is how senators are judged. yes, there's a senator system which is -- i've grown to like much more. [laughter] >> but it is superficial, really. senator carte goodwin when he officially gets sworn into that

name will have all the powers of any of the senior members of the senate. and that's very important that you understand that. that you never think of him as being interim. he is a united states senator, pure and simple. robert c. byrd would want that to be well known. and so, i tell you, now a moment on carte goodwin. i'm thrilled that he's appointed. andly start out just by saying, i'm so happy that he, in fact, he is a goodwin because my life has been blessed in so many ways by the work and the presence and the friendship and the company and the advice of various members of the goodwin family. i feel very close to them. i respect their work ethic. i respect their sense, their automatic sense of public

responsibility. they seek out what needs to be done. and then go about doing it. they do it in various fields. but they always do it in the interest of west virginia. carte has a lot of experience. the governor has covered some of that. but what i like about him the most is what i know because i have an inside source in that family is his absolute commitment and dedication to the people of west virginia. you can have all the qualities that i mentioned before, but if you don't have that sense when you get up in the morning, what is it this day that i can do? who's vote do i have to get? what compromise do i have to make or refuse to make? that affects the people of west virginia in the best possibly way. washington is not a beautiful place right now.

ask any of your neighbors. but it's doing the work that will make this country recover and be strong. criticism is easy. the work of doing the right job for america and for west virginia is very important. it's interesting, they call us united states senators from west virginia. and so that would appear to set up a conflict. and there are times when that conflict has to lean a little bit more particularly when you're discussing matters of war and piece, intelligence, assistance, whatever that they will shift more towards the united states but i find that what motivates me going all the way back to when i was a vista volunteer in the southern part

of caunaw county was that it was the people of west virginia that got me up. but those who know us treasure us. and we treasure ourselves when we have enormous pride in who we are. carte has the highest of professional standards. that's something that's important because it's immediately recognized by other senators. and again, senators are fairly quick to make up your mind. they look at you. they see if you're looking at them straight in their eye. they're fairly quick to make up their minds. carte will pass all of those tests easily because he is a consummate professional because he is a disciplined mind and human being. because he can work and will

work to whatever length is required to accomplish something for the people that he and i will represent. i cannot tell you how proud i am personally and professionally to know that in three or four days that carte goodwin and i are going to be colleagues. no senior, no jr., colleagues, working together for west virginia. i think he is absolutely first class as a person and as a professional. and i think the people of west virginia under the selection of governor manchin are very, very lucky. i know the senate is. and i noit that i am -- i know that i am. so carte you start with the support of really everybody. i just look forward to what we can do together, we can do with

our colleagues to keep pushing forward for west virginia, for west virginia's cole miners, for west virginia's workers, for middle income tax credits, all those things that help families, which is small businesses which makes up west virginia. we are at work. -- carte on a very -- a very thorough piece of mind safety legislation. and it's coming out of the u.b.b. experience. we've learned a lot since then. and we will turn out further legislation. everything we do there whether it's credited as such or not is important. it is important. -- because it affects somebody,

somewhere. and when it affects people in west virginia, carte goodwin and jay rockefeller are going to be fighting side by side along with the governor of west virginia. carte i look forward to you and you start out on the right side of history. thank you. [applause] >> senator, thank you. thank you so much, senator. i would also like to thank my dear friend nick casey for being here. nick was the last appointment that our beloved senator robert c. byrd had made to the u.s. district court. and nick, you're going to make a great judge, a great judge. and we're so proud of you. we're hoping that maybe that

will speed things up a little bit? >> couldn't urt. -- hurt. >> thank you for being here. i want you to look at the people represented, hard working people all over the state of west virginia. thank you, kenny and larry and all of you, so many for being here, from the business people from the large to small businesses, but from our most wisest of all of the people in west virginia, ruth. thank you, honey. all of you who represent the children and sometimes don't have a choice. and those who can't really fend for themselves. if the legislature thank you so much. i hope that you're proud of the process that we've gone through the way we've basically honored our late senator. with that we're going to open up for some questions from the media, if they would. just direct your questions and we'll try to keep it rolling.

we'll do one-on-ones afterwards. if you will, we'll start right down the line. >> mr. goodwin -- [inaudible] >> welcome to the senate. [laughter] >> needless to say there are issues facing our state and scores of pieces of legislation in the united states senate. i'm anxious to roll my sleeves up, get to washington and really delve into it. i'm a little reluctant to get an extensionive policy adjustment. but that being said with regards to cap and trade, they simply are not right for west virginia.

>> i will submit that the legislation being championed by senator rockefeller now that would focus investment in cole, more broadly, let me answer your question this way. ly not support any piece of legislation that threatens any west virginia job, any west virginia family or jep dices the long-term security of this -- jeopardizes the long-term security of this state. [applause] >> i'm going to go right down the side there. >> you must be refering to the first question, none of them. [laughter] >> why did i go to you and stop