to me their thoughts on why in his government is to close the only job center in my constituency? >> she talked about falling unemployment under labor and then mrs. to point out that unemployment rose under labor over the past three years. what matters is putting people back into work. what she will sit with the work program is the boldest effort to get people out of benefits and into work that this country has ever seen. >> my constituency is very much welcome the fact that the prime minister is leading by example in these difficult economic times by taking the time to except reduction in his salary.

the council is headed salary of two hundred 20,000 pounds a year. will he join me in calling others to do the same. -- do the same? >> i think my hon. friend makes an extremely good point. that is why it is right to have complete transparency on pay levels throughout the public sector. for the first time in a long time, we are able to find out what these people are being paid. as a result, there is pressure and i think this transparency should continue. >> each week, the house of commons is in session, we air the prime minister's questions live on c-span 2, wednesday on c-span eastern.

c-span.org you can find links to the house of commons and the prime minister's website. >> in the final weeks of campaign 2010, the c-span video library is a great resource for voters. hear from the candidates, party officials, strategists, and reporters. the c-span video library is all free, on-line, any time. >> among the president's campaign stops this weekend, he was joined by governor ted strickland and u.s. representative mary jo kilroy. there lt. gov. lee fisher. here is a look at the president's remarks from earlier tonight. >> she is kind of cute, asian not?

-- she is kind of cute, is she not? it is good to be back in columbus. thank you so much. i am so proud to be here with the governor ted strickland, one of the finest governors in this country. the lieutenant governor lee fisher, michael coleman, on outstanding congressional delegation, mary jo kilroy and, and astronaut john glenn. the state university drum line is in the house. [cheers and applause. -- [cheers and applause] and about 35,000 of my closest

friends. cheers and applausee it is good to be here with you, but guys. i have to say, i am sorry about last night. we need you fired up. in a little more than two weeks, you can set the direction of the state and the direction of this country for not just the next two years, the next five years, the next 20 years, just like you did in 2008. you can defy conventional wisdom, the kinds of things you

cannot overcome, the cynicism of our government, you cannot tackle our biggest challenges -- everybody said, no, you can act. in 2008, you showed them, yes, we can. [cheers and applause] into ways, you have the chance to say once again yes, we can. let's be honest. this is a difficult election. this is hard. it is hard because we have been through an incredibly difficult time as a nation. we have gone through a tougher time than any time in the last -- for the most of the last decade, middle-class families saw their costs rise from everything to health care to

college tuition while their incomes fell. between 2001 and 2009, the incomes of middle-class families fell by an average of 5%. job growth was the most sluggish it had been since world war ii. a lot of jobs moved overseas, especially here in ohio. there were too many parents who could not afford to send their kids to college. too many people could not afford to see a doctor when they got sick. americans are working two jobs and three jobs just to make ends meet. and all of these problems were compounded with the worst economic crisis since the great depression. and i think sometimes we forget how scary it was, the magnitude of the crisis. we lost 4 million jobs in the six months before i was sworn in. 750,000 jobs a month.

we lost 8 million jobs in the course of this recession. a once in a generation challenge. when i was sworn in, it was my profound hope and the hope of many of you that it would cause both parties to put politics aside for a moment for the sake of the country. the notion was that we could move beyond the division and the bickering that has dominated washington for so long. even though some many of us are proud to be democrats, we are proud to be americans. [cheers and applause] but the republican leaders in washington made their decision.

they made tactical decision. their basic theory was that we had gone into such a deep hole, the economy was so badly damaged. they knew it would take a long time to repair. they knew it would take longer than anybody would like. they knew the people would be frustrated and be angry. and some of the enthusiasm that we have seen in the 2008 election would start to dissipate as people looked at their friends losing jobs and small businesses having to close their doors and they figured, if they just sat on the sidelines long enough and opposed everything we did, if they said no even to policies they traditionally supported, then they figured they could ride people's anger and frustration all the way to success in the next election. that was there working theory. in other words, they were

basically counting on you to forget who caused the mess in the first place. now they sit back and they basically want you to believe that this election is a referendum on the economy, a referendum on me. they do not want you to understand that this is a choice. make no mistake. this election is a choice and the stakes could not be greater. if they win this election, the chair of the republican campaign committee has promised they will pursue the exact same agenda that they did before they took office. ing]-hooin is not like the republicans went off and said, boy, we really screwed up. and then they came back with new ideas.

they want the same agenda. and we know what that agenda is. you cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires. you cut rules for special interest, whether it is insurance countries that want to drop your coverage when you get sicker, credit-card companies that want to jack up your rates or wall street banks that deal in all kinds of derivatives that end up crashing. you cut the middle class loose to fend for themselves. they will tell you is the ownership society. it is the equivalent of saying your on your own. if you lose your job, you are on your own. if your job is not have health care, tough luck. you are on your own. your young person. you can afford to go to college. too bad. lift yourself up by your own bootstraps. you are on your own. this is the same agenda that turn to a record deficit. it created -- that led to wall

street run wild, an agenda that nearly destroyed the economy. do they think that we have forgotten? it does not like we did not try what they are peddling. we tried it right here. it did not work. and if a takeover of congress, the other side has already promised to roll back helter if -- turn -- rollback health reform. they want to roll back to wall street performs so that taxpayers can be on the hook for another bailout. they want credit card tummies to hit you with hidden fees. they want to cut education by 20% to help pay for a $700 billion tax break for the wealthiest 2% of americans,

folks who do not need it. this is the same theory they have been peddling for years. ohio, it is up to you to tell them we do not want what they are selling. we have been there before and we are not going back. [cheers and applause] i have been explaining to people around the country, this is it. republicans drove america's car into the ditch. they drove it into the ditch and it was a big ditch. and so, i came along and then strickland came along. we put on our boots and we went down into the ditch. and it was hot down there. it was monday.

there were bugs. but we said, that is ok. even though we did not drive it into the ditch, it is still our responsibility to get that car out of the ditch. [cheers and applause] and so we pushed and we pushed and, every once in awhile, we looked up and we saw a republican standing there, fanning themselves, sipping on a slirpee, having a lot say, and we would say, hey, come down and help push a little bit. we need some help down here. and they would say, that is all right. you need to push harder. you are not pushing the right way. and we just kept on pushing. we kept on pushing. we finally got the car on level ground. it is pointing in the right direction. we are ready to move america forward. [cheers] and applause

but the next thing we not -- the next window, we have a cap on our shoulder. we look back and who is it? it is the republicans. they say, we want the keys back. [laughter] you cannot have the keys that. you do not know how to drive. [cheers and applause] if you want, you can roll with us. [laughter] but you have to be in the back seat. [cheers and applause] i deny know if you of notice, if you want to pull your car ford, you have to put it in what? iin d.

if you want to make your car rolled backwards, what you put it in? you put it in r. we do not want to go backwards. [cheers and applause] i love you back. [cheers and applause] because of the steps we have taken, we no longer face the possibility of a second depression. -- its second recession. we still have such a long way to go. we have so much work to do. i know there are people out there who are hanging by a thread. people are hurting. it is what keeps me up at night. it is what keeps me fighting. but i also know this. the biggest mistake we could make right now, ohio, is to go back to the very same policies that caused all this hurt in the first place.

think about it for a second. it just does not make sense. the other side is county on all -- is counting on all of you having amnesia, just for getting what happened here. we cannot return to a philosophy that nearly it destroyed our economy and decimated the middle class right here in ohio. and i say this not to really get the pass. i say it because we cannot relive the past. that is what this election is about. not just where we stand, but where we want to go. not where we are right now, but where we want to be 10 years from now and 20 years from now. what does america's future look like? what is the work we have left to do? [cheers and applause] this election is not just about moving toward vs moving backward. it is also a contest between our deepest hopes and our deepest fears. and the other side is playing on

fear. that is what they do. that is what they do. you see, we democrats have a different idea about what the future should look like and is an idea routed on our belief on how this country was built. it is based on not just ideas, but the history of ted strickland and michelle and myself. we did not come from wealthy families. we did not come from famous families. we came from working families. [cheers and applause] weekends from some ordinary folks. we had to go -- we came from ordinary folks. we had to go to school on scholarships and grants. if we wanted some spending money, we had to work for it. [cheers] and so, we remember the story of our family's lives.

it is the story of your lives. and we know that government does not have all the answers to our problems. we believe government should be lean and efficient. but, in the words of the first republican president, abraham lincoln, who, by the way, i am not sure could win a nomination in the republican party right now -- [laughter] we also believe that government should be there to help people do what they can do for themselves. in a country that rewards hard work and responsibility and where we give each other and a hand up, where we look after each other, where we say i am my brother's keeper, i am sister's keeper, that is the challenge in this election. [cheers and applause]

we see a future for the next century is driven by american innovation, american ingenuity. we do not want to give tax breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas. we want to give tax breaks to companies that create jobs right here in america. we want solar panels and wind turbines and electric cars made right here in the u.s. of a. by american workers. that is the choice in this election. [cheers and applause] we see an america where every citizen has the skills, the training to compete with any worker in the world. the other side may think it is right to cut education by 20%. but let me tell you who does not think that. china does not think it is a good idea. south korea and india do not think that. they are not cutting back on education. they are not playing for second

place. the united states of america does not play for second place. we play for first. [cheers and] applause -- [cheers and applause] that is why big money that went to banks is going to student loans now. we are making the college tax credit permanent, with $10,000 in tuition relief for every student going to college. we feel america, where the middle-class is growing, where the opportunity is shared, where everybody has a chance to make it, where the only limit to success is how hard you are willing to try. that is why we want to give tax cuts and make them permanent for middle-class families. that is why we will fight efforts to privatize social security. that will not happen on my

watch. [cheers and applause] they will not take the retirement savings of a generation of americans and handed over to wall street. that is why we refused to go back to the day when insurance companies or the banks or the oil companies have free rein to do whatever they wanted, run roughshod. we want to make sure that, if you're paying your premium, insurance companies will pay for your health care when you get sick. i want to make sure that credit card companies are not hitting you with hidden fees. i do not want to to be on the hook for wall street's mistakes. i say that someone who believes profoundly on the free-market, but that the free market works with the rules of the road. and those compete for your business on the basis of high quality and good customer

services. those looking out for consumers, that is the choice in this election. that is what we're fighting for. [cheers and applause] i want to warn you about something. i hope you do not mind. i am losing my voice because i am so fired up. [cheers and applause] i have some campaigning to do over the next couple of weeks. right now, the same special interests that will profit from the other side's agenda are fighting back. the empire is striking back. [laughter] to win this election, they are spending tens of millions of dollars in the front groups. they are running misleading negative ads all across the country. they do not have the courage or the gumption to stand up and disclose their identity. it could be insurance companies,

banks -- we do not know. this is not just a threat to democrats. this is a threat to our democracy. and the only way to fight it, the only way to match their millions of dollars is all of you, millions of voices who are ready to finish what we started in 2008. [cheers and applause] that is where you come in. that is where you come in. that is why you need to vote in this election. thank you to early voting here in ohio, you can vote right now. a lot of you got involved in 2008 because you we believed -- because you believed we were in a deciding moment in america. you believed that this was a time where the decisions we make will shape the lives of our children and our grandchildren for decades to come. that is why you knocked on the

stores. that is why you made those phone calls. that is why you stood in line to catch your -- to cast your vote. you did this because you believe your actions could make a difference, that you could play a role in making change. and now we're not just advocating change. we are not just calling for change. we are doing the hard work of change. we are grinding it out. sometimes, it is frustrating. we are delivering change inch- by-inch, day-by-day. it is not easy. believe me, it is not easy. i understand, some of you, when you think back and election that was so good, inauguration day, beyonce was singing and bono was up there and everybody had a good feeling. then we start trying to solve these problems and it does not happen as quick as we want.

suddenly, the other side is obstructing and people start looking around and say, a family member-still losing a job and another for closure sign has gone up in my neighborhood and you see all these tv ads and politicians are tearing the to other down and hundreds are saying you cannot really change politics. i know it gets discouraging sometimes. but do not let anybody tell you that this fight is not worth it. do not let them tell you you are not making a difference. there is a woman in new hampshire that no longer has to choose between losing her home and treating her cancer. parents can look their children in the eye and say, yes, you are going to college. because of you, there is -- there are clean energy entrepreneurs out there building a new plant somewhere, calling

people and putting them to work, putting up help-wanted signs. because of you, as hundred thousand brave men and women are no longer at war in iraq. [cheers and applause] so do not let them tell you that change is impossible. do not let them take this country backwards. because we did not fight for it? here's what i know. nothing in america -- the very founding in this country was hard. it required a revolution. and when you thought about those 13 colonies coming together, how likely wasn't that they could gain their freedom from the most powerful empire on earth and there -- and then draft a document based on principles that had never been tried before?

we hold these truths to be self- evident, that all men are created equal, that we are endowed with certain inalienable rights. then we had to grapple with the legacy of slavery and had a civil war. and we had to fight to make sure that workers could get a decent deal on their job. we had to fight to make sure that women got the right to vote. [cheers and applause] and then world war ii came along and we had to defeat fascism. we had to overcome the depression. and then we had to invest in the g.i. bill to a growing middle class that was the envy of the world. and when -- and with the cold war, we put a man on the moon. each and every time, there was somebody out there who said you cannot do that. each and every time, there is somebody who said, you know

what? you are wasting your time. there was somebody who was saying, you know what? change is not going to happen. if our parents and our grandparents and our great grandparents had made the decision to sit it out 15 years ago, 100 years ago, 200 years ago, we would not be here tonight. the only reason we are here is because previous generations have been unafraid. they have been unafraid to push forward even in the face of difficulty. they were not afraid to do what is necessary, even when things were uncertain. that is how we got through war. that is how we got through depression. that is why we have civil rights and women's rights and workers' rights. and if you will recapture that banner, that you are out there knocking on doors and making phone calls, talking to your friends and neighbors, that you do not give up hope, then i

guarantee you that not only will we win this election, because this was never just about putting a president in the white house. it was about building a movement for change that lasted a long time. we will build a movement for change that will last 10 years from now and 20 years from now and we will grow this economy and destroy the middle class -- and race -- and restore the middle class to its rightful place. god bless you, ohio. [chairs and applause] and god bless the united states of america. ♪ ♪

>> in just a moment, we will take you live with coverage of the washington senate debate between senator patty murray and republican challenger dino rossi. this is the second debate in the final debate between these candidates. this race has been rated a toss up. this is being held at komo

television station in seattle. let's take you live. >> could evening, and welcome to tonight's the base. you hear the views of u.s. and canada for the people of washington state. >> our goal is to dig deeper into the important issues so you will be informed when you cast your vote on november 2. dan and i will ask questions that have been compiled. >> i will ask questions from you, the voters. we want to welcome each candidate, a u.s. senator patty murray and former state senator dino rossi. welcome, and thank you for being here tonight. >> before we began, we want to explain how this debate will work. can this will have 90 seconds for opening remarks and in 90 seconds to answer questions. at the end of the debate, we will have 90 seconds each for closing remarks. >> the opening was predetermined

by a coin toss. mr. rossi, you begin with 90 seconds. >> america is in trouble. if we do not have a correction in this election, we will wake of 24 months from now in a country we don't recognize. someone told you that the federal government was want to own or control card companies, banks, insurance companies, student loans, health care, on and on, you would have called them a conspiracy nut. it has all happened in 20 months. we are wishing -- we are witnessing the reaffirmation of america and we cannot let that happen. -- the preformation of america and we cannot let that happen. i have four beautiful children, a 19 -- year-old daughter and a 16 year-old son and a 14 year- old son and a nine year-old daughter. if someone to run for the united states senate, i understand how campaigns work. my wife puts things on a different level. she says that she appreciates

that i worry about them, but i have to think about this on a different level. what kind of country do you want our children growing up then? she said i was in a position to do something about this. she was willing to sort for -- to support 100 percent. i am running against an 18 year incumbent that has an 18 year record of growing government. hopefully you will see clear choices between the two candidates. i want to take washington state in a different direction than senator murray has been taking us. i hope to have your support by the end of the evening. >> thank you, mr. rossi. miss bausch senator murray, you have 90 seconds. >> thank you for joining us tonight. families in our state are struggling. they have lost their jobs and their homes and their pensions.

not because of anything they did because of mismanagement on wall street. this state is my family. my family is hurting. that is why i am working with local leaders to provide investments to create jobs. i will take on anyone, even the most powerful, to make sure that you have a seat at the table when those important decisions are made. i grew up in a small town. i learned the values of main street at my dad's store. hard work and fighting for what you believe them. those are the values that i take to work every day to make sure you have decisions that work for you and your community. i believe that by working together, we can find solutions to the big challenges that will fix this country. >> thank you senator murray. it is clear from what we are

hearing on the campaign trail of the candidates have two different views about representing us in the u.s. senate three want to set up our first question was something that the mice is that true >> the candidates have spent millions of dollars telling us what their opponents have or have not done. voters have been inundated with this. >> wind dino rossi was asked if workers should have a level playing field, he said no. we just cannot afford six more years of patty murray. she is part of the problem. >> massive debt. >> banking and real-estate. the big banks and wall street. >> 18 years, 18 years. >> i am patty murray, and i it

sponsor this and. >> those ads have confused people, have frustrated others and anchored some. i cannot tell you how many people come up to me and ask why they do not tell us what they're going to do for me. the challenge you tonight, without mentioning your opponent in your answers, if elected, what will you do for the people of washington state? >> senator marie, your first. >> the first thing i will do is work to be your voice in the very difficult decisions. i come home and on to community leaders about what they need in their community to create jobs and build a future for the families in their community. that is why i work with leaders to bring home investments to make sure we create jobs. it is what i did when the dam was damaged in the storm. i talk to leaders about the dangers that were going to

happen. they talked to me about what i needed to do to help them repair that down and i went to bat for them. with the small business lending bill, businesses will keep their doors open. jobs are the number one focus for all of us. i am going to make sure that we do not forget our veterans. i have come home and talk to veterans to find out what they need. i believe that when we send our men and women to fight, we have to be there for them when they come home. i want to make sure that when we balance the federal budget, we do it responsibly and make those tough decisions and pay for them. that what what i want to continue to do for you. >> mr. rossi, you now have 90 seconds. >> we are on a fiscal plan.

when our own bankers tell you that you are spending too much money, it is clear you are on a fiscal cliff. as a state senator, i was in charge of the senate ways and means committee. i have a one-vote republican majority in the senate and democrats controlled the house. i worked across party lines to balance the biggest deficit in history. i also received the first award from the freedom foundation for being the most fiscally conservative. i received six this sort of words in the disabled community. -- all words and the disabled community. those are the skills of balancing budgets that i plan to bring to the united states senate because there is so much partisanship going on there that nothing is getting done.

on top of that, i have been traveling the state. we put enough miles on the car to go to new york and back five times. i went from town to town to town. we have a 17.4% functional unemployment rate in this state. when you look in people's eyes that have been the -- unemployed for some time, when the to help small businesses be successful. it is the only with it will get back to work for it is not with the health care plan. it has to be but small businesses being successful -- be through small businesses being successful. >> center murray, your rebuttal. >> we need to work with small businesses to make sure that they have the credit they need. we need to make the right investments in our community so that we can create jobs and make sure that we provide tax cuts for middle income families,

extended the -- your kids and your community will have a strong feature. >> and now, mr. rossi, you have 30 seconds. >> we have to reauthorize the 2001 -- 2003 tax cuts. how much higher do we need to have unemployment? we need to reauthorize all of the tax cuts, including the ones that will hurt small business owners. i know that my opponent does not want to reauthorize the ones that will -- that business owners rely on, but it will kill more jobs. >> now, let's talk about the one thing that affects voters. the economy. according to a poll, the majority of those who responded, 27% said that fixing the economy is the most employment right now. on employment is at 10%.

people are not spending and tax revenue is down, forcing cuts to programs and john's. here is the question. tell us three things that you would do to get us out of this economic mess. mr. rossi, you have 90 seconds. >> as we have been traveling around the state, what i am finding is that the unemployment rates are so high that there are 50 year-old men who have been unemployed for two years through .he employers have to people in the gift shop for 100 people in the manufacturing facility, but the employers are saying the same thing. they are not going to do anything because they do not know what the government is going to do next week. i have no idea and so i cannot plan. senator murray has voted time and time again for various bills

that will kill jobs in washington. the health care bill will kill jobs in the state of washington. the tax cuts will kill jobs in the state of washington as well. we need to let business owners plan to rid they need to plant up to seven years after they do not need the stimulus. that they do not need the bailout. what they need is a modest taxation, fair and predictable regulation, and what insurers the american dream for it when they are successful, you do not punish them for their success by out regis tax rates because she wanted to do it again and again and again. that is what is going to put people back to work, not big government solutions that we are getting from senator murray. >> senator, you have 90 seconds. >> every family knows someone in their family that has lost their job or had hours cut back. everyone is struggling. that is why i work so hard to

talk to community leaders to talk about the jobs that need to be created. it is what i did when i came home to seattle and talked to community leaders about the need to kill the mercy street mass for the park bridge. -- street mass for the park bridge. i find projects in every community that help create jobs for the future in every community. mr. rossi says he will not fight for your community in those kinds of jobs. i come home and i talked to small businesses on every main street and they told me that the problem they had was that their small community bank had cut off their credit and all of a sudden, even though they had been paying their bills, they could not get the small amount of money they needed to put good

on their shelves or hire new employees. i went back to work and i worked hard with this of administration to pass the small business in bill and now those businesses will keep jobs. i find jobs in every community. we will work to get our communities back on track, including making sure those are built. >> mr. rossi you have 30 seconds to respond. >> jobs are created by the federal government according to some of senator murray -- according to senator murray. every one of the stimulus jobs that came to the state of washington cost $323,000 to create each one. what i talked about is allowing entrepreneurs to chase the american dream. this is not something i dreamed

up on the way over here, it has been working in america for 232 years. the stimulus failed. when you have a functional unemployment rate of 14%, it is clear that it failed. >> senator murray? >> i go out on those worksites where those men and women are working for it is a construction company that is paying those people. the people that are working to will lose their job. i say in this country that we are working hard to get our economy back on track, every job counts. >> the federal budget deficit exceeded one trillion up -- $1 trillion. we have to do something. that is probably going to

include some very painful cutbacks. we want to know, where would you cut and i have asked this can -- this question before. we always did this response that we will make those tough decisions. i think it is time to propose some of those tough decisions. could you give us a couple of specifics about where you might be leaning to make some of these painful cuts? >> center murray, you are first. >> in these tough times, every family and every business is tightening their belts at every level. the federal government has to be that as well. i just voted a few months ago to cut $13 billion from the president's budget that he proposed at the beginning of this year. i voted to freeze my own pay. called up the secretary of the bureaucracy who ask for the new building for hud and i told him that we cannot afford that this

year. we have to look at every aspect of our budget. just as we did under bill clinton where we took it from a deficit to a surplus in the year 2000 and made those cuts at every level. tough decisions, tough votes, it brought us to a surplus. tax cuts not being paid for, it put us where we are today. i know that we cannot promise tax cuts to the wealthiest americans and balance the budget. >> mr. rossi, the short term. 90 seconds. >> let's talk about your marks. -- earmarks. i believe that senator murray went to washington d.c. with good intentions. she said that it is not her job as a senator to bring home the

bacon, is her job to cut the budget. things have changed. unfortunately, senator murray is no. 9 in earmarks. $4 million for the maritime museum in downtown seattle that closed down two years later because of a lack of visitors. for millions of dollars for four votes -- boats that were not needed. and that infamous bridge to nowhere. center murray when questioned $20 million in earmarks for clients of 17 former staffers who are now lobbyists. they now, in turn, contributed $80,000 to senator murray's campaign. that is what is wrong with washington dc. that is what has to change.

with republicans and democrats alike chasing these remarks, they are bankrupting america. we need to ban earmarks. >> center murray, you have 30 seconds for rebuttal. >> i certainly did not hear it balanced budget and all that. we have to make very tough choices. we need to put everything on the table. we need to look at everything including defense and make those cuts. we also have to make investments in the future. just as we did under president bill clinton in 1993. the cut the budget across the board. we also created new jobs and technology -- in technology and brought us a surplus in the year 2000. >> mr. rossi, you have 30 seconds. >> it sounds like senator murray is the second coming of ronald

reagan when it comes to tax cuts. there is no sense of responsibility here. senator murray has already requested $1.4 billion in earmarks for next year. she was the deciding vote against the balanced budget of the new -- amendment in 1995. this is the same thing that we are talking about last thursday. >> we want to let the voters weigh in. a lot of people have e-mail, tweeted and sent us messages via facebook. many of those questions dealt with the economy and jobs. more than 300,000 people are out of work and our state. the first question comes from john who e-mail does this. -- e-mailed us this.

>> i have a family member working continuously for the boeing co. since world war two. we need to have the boeing company healthy, but all businesses need to be healthy. unfortunately, we are headed in the wrong direction. they have lost 30,000 jobs since 1997. unfortunately, you can see what has happened with the we cannot continue along this path. we have to help businesses be successful. is not with your marks -- your marks -- earmarks. senator murray is boat in vote after vote that we cannot pay

for. during thousands of jobs. -- there are thousands of jobs that need to be filled. other things that senator murray stands for are union affairs. the boeing company does not want that. senator murray has quite a record when it comes to boeing. it is not a positive. >> center murray, you have money seconds. >> i talk to businesses all the time and they tell me what they need to have been ordered to be secure in our state to create jobs and grow our economy and help us give back on our feet. it is pretty simple. we need the infrastructure in place to allow them to bring this to their stores or sell their goods overseas and that means having a strong transportation system and away for their workers to get to work and a way to ship their goods to

willing to go. businesses tell me they need a skilled work force. today, if you have a manufacturing company and you cannot hire somebody with welding skills or computer skills to be able to fill the jobs, it inhibits that businesses grow. this is what we have to do that every government level to provide the infrastructure of the work force and to provide the creative spirit that is the backbone of american industry in this country. those are the issues that i worked on in washington d.c. to make sure that we provide this support for those businesses to be able to grow. >> mr. rossi, back to you for a 32nd rebuttal. >> one in three jobs in washington state is in danger. we are suppose to elect a senator murray because she has all this power. she is no. 4 in leadership.

of all the democratic senators and that she has up there, she has not been able to move the trade agreements. what that will mean to washington state -- which washington are you representing? washington dc or washington state? >> senator, you have 30 seconds. >> i did not hear any jobs created and did not hear any businesses supported in all of that response. what i do know and what worries me the most is that mr. rossi wants to extend the tax cuts to the top 2% of americans, costing as $1 trillion. if we do that, and we will not have the resources to provide a skilled work force for transportation infrastructure or enforce the trade policies that are important for our state. >> thank you. along with economy, health care

is another issue that matters to voters. health care costs are out of control. medical problems are bankrupting some families. people cannot afford health coverage and are going without. senator murray, you voted in favor of health care reform, but you went on record saying there are problems with it. was health care reform hastily passed? would you vote for it again? and what needs to be fixed? you have 90 seconds. >> the only people that our health care system is working for was insurance company lobbyists. i believe that we need to have a health insurance system that allows you to pick an insurance plan that works for you and your family. i believe that health insurance companies should not deny you coverage if you get sick or have a child with a pre-existing condition. i believe that there are seniors

that should have the prescription drugs covered. we work hard to make sure that we put together a helping -- health care insurance reform package. to provide the kind of access for all americans so that we can control those costs. i absolutely believe that this bill will need changes in the future. but the basic structure of this is going to make sure that you and your family finally control your health care decisions and not a washington d.c. bureaucrats i have one person -- bureaucrat i had one person tell me that sathat they had to chooe between a salary increase and

health insurance. that should not be the choice that we make in this country. every family should be able to have good, affordable health insurance. i am glad that i voted for that and i will work to make the changes we need to make it work. >> mr. rossi, you said that the health care reform would cost tens of thousands of jobs here in washington state. explain those numbers to us, and if the law is repealed, d.c. any need for health care reform? >> thursday night, senator murray claimed that she actually read all 2600 pages of the health care bill. in fact, she helped write it. the question to senator murray is really, which parts did you write? did you write the $695 will be fined if we do not get the health care? did you write the part where

$500 billion will be cut from medicare to partially pay a for cleaning house. we are hiring hordes of irs agents. i do not want my health care controlled by it all the passion that the irs can muster. this is problem more of a rhetorical question because senator murray voted the deciding vote on this legislation that could end up bankrupting america. there are solutions. there are solutions will put patients and doctors but can charge. >> senator, you have 30 seconds for rebuttal. >> i am glad that mr. rossi brought that up. i wrote the section of the bill that i heard from seniors and

doctors and small and large communities that they do not have a work force for the future. family physicians, emergency room physicians, nurses. i wrote the work force section that has caused one to college to become family physicians, to provide a work force for the future that will lower costs. mr. rossi would repeal reform and take that away from families who have security for the first time and senior citizens that have medicare -- have prescription coverage for the first time. >> we need to repeal the health care plan and replace it was something that actually works. there are plenty of things that you can do. we can allow individuals to buy health insurance across state lines. you can decide your plan rather than some bureaucrat.

health savings accounts can reduce costs. i just gave you for ideas and it will not bankrupt america. there are solutions. >> let's turn to emigration. right now, there are 100,000 to 200,000 illegal immigrants living in washington state. senator, you have gone so far to offer security benefits to undocumented workers and mr. rossi, you said we should build i highwall to key legal immigrants of our country. what would you do including children born in the united states. >> most of this is academic in to secure the border. the federal government has completely failed in this effort. we need a tall fence with a high gate. what does that mean? it means that we need a secure

border. we have people who have committed violent crimes in the state of washington. the keep coming back. we need to know criminal backgrounds. my grandparents came through ellis island. we do not need another ellis island, but may be a virtual ellis island. we also need people to come here on a regular basis. we have to first secure the border or most of these other arguments are just an academic. >> senator murray? >> immigration is an issue that affects our economy, it affects our quality of life and every single community. in the state, we know how important it is to support -- secure our northern border after i spent a great deal of time

working with our officials nbc to make sure we have the resources here in washington state. we need border patrol agents that are highly skilled and trained and i fight to make sure they get the resources they need to protect our border. i also talk to producers and farmers in eastern washington and northern washington to tell me that their businesses are in jeopardy because they do not have a skilled work force. any comprehensive immigration policy needs to provide a secure work force. we also have to talk about the families are here today. young kids who came here at a very young age, worked their way through school, did well, a graduate, and end up in the shadows because they have nowhere to go. they cannot go to law school. can i go into the military. i believe that we should pass

the turing tax -- pass the dream act. to your question, i believe that we need to have a very detailed plan of making sure that people learn english, pay fines, and have a half to citizenship so that we can have laws that businesses and communities no work for them. -- communities know work for them. >> what would we do with children that are born to illegal immigrants? >> i have not heard a good solution. i am open to ideas. it is kind of like you are in a rowboat in the middle of a lake and you have a whole that he need to seal. the figure out what to do from there. that is what i talk about the tall fence with the high gate. i was talking to microsoft corp.

and they were trying to get people with advanced degrees into this country. microsoft is not building buildings. we do not want that to happen. >> i am sorry that mr. rossi has not heard about the dream act. if you came here as a young age and work your way through school and got good grades, you can go to college for two years or surf and a military for two years and get on a path to citizenship so that you can become a little citizen and do not have to live and the saddles -- in the shadows. i believe that we should pass it and if we cannot do it alone, we could do it as part of immigration reform. >> it was just announced on friday that nearly 59 million retirees and disabled americans will get no cost of living increase in social security benefits next year. is the second benefit -- second year in a row without a raise.

what will you do to help older folks who are living on a fixed income, keeping in mind that a lot of them do not have a 401k or ira available and rely heavily on social security. randy duck and asks, will you support the socialist -- raising the social security retirement age? >> i know how important social security is for all our seniors and many disabled. it provides them with a secure income so that those families that have worked hard to love their lives have a secure retirement and are not from out of their homes. i worked very hard in the senate to fight any kind of proposal when it comes to social security and i will continue to do that. if we have learned nothing from the wall street collapse, it was that we need to make sure that

social security is secure and you can count on the to do that. because the economy is struggling, in the economic stimulus package that mr. rossi was to repeal a take away from you for vice additional support for seniors to help them through these difficult times. we need to make sure that the safety nets are there in the future and i will continue to fight for them. we do have to make tough budget cuts in the future. the president has a commission coming at the end of the year that will put a variety of proposals on the table. i know how unimportant is that our senior citizens are able to stay in their homes and put food on their table and that is what i will continue to work towards. >> mr. rossi, 90 seconds. >> we need to make sure that we come through with what we promised. the biggest threat to social security happens to be the

deficit that senator murray has helped amass. we have a very cheap borrowing rate at this point in time, but when interest rates go up, and i believe they will, you will see a crushing debt service. we do not actually have a trust fund. there are nothing but ious there. if we do not get our budget balanced, we will not be able to pay back those ious. there is a commission that will come up with recommendations in december. i look forward to that. when my 16 -- year-old asks me about this that that we have, she asks how much she owes. 16 -- year-old should not be asking questions like that. she should be asking for the car keys and 20 box -- $20. why can't senator murray and her

friends to do this out. we have to get this under control or it will destroy everything we hold near and dear. that is one to take some real work to get that done but senator murray is surely not poised to do that. >> senator murray, we would like to know if you would encourage raising the retirement age. >> there are two threats to our economy, one is putting finances back in the hands of wall street's ceos and had shown managers and the other is passing tax cuts to the wealthiest americans. in answer to your question, the president has put together a commission that will make a variety of proposals on the entire budget. i think it is important that we do not start making promises on how to do that.

republicans and democrats that are running for congress did not need to pick and choose how they will vote on that. we only to make very courageous decisions when it comes to the end. i will protect citizens as we go through this process. >> mr. rossi, the same thing to you on the retirement age. >> i am looking forward to see what the bipartisan commission comes up with. senator murray actually voted to tax social security and tax seniors. there is a spotty record, here. we get back to the point that i have been making. doing one thing in washington d.c. and sang something else here in washington state, after you have been that long, apparently, that is how it is done. >> sense don't ask don't tell was passed in 1993, 13,000 servicemen and women have been discharged from the military. the pentagon is considering repealing the measure and

congress to take of the measure next week. mr. rossi, you said that you do not want to weigh on the issue until the pentagon study is complete, but if you were in congress and you have to vote in the session before the study is complete, how would you go, and why? you have 90 seconds. >> what i said, is that we need to see what the report has to say. with commanders in the field and the troops are affected by this. that is what we need to do. how would i vote? i would make sure that we had input before i would pass any vote on something like this. that would make sense. this is an issue that needs to be thought out the early, not something to rush to. it is not something to have on elected judges making decisions on. -- unelected judges making decisions on. they have no consequences in

pushing for major legislation which should be done to the legislative process with republicans and democrats together deciding these things. >> senator, you support repealing the ban, but what if it is found to have a advers affect? 30 seconds. >> i have talked to young men and women who have served overseas and have done an honorable job for all of us serving in the trenches in the most dangerous situations. i have talked to many of them that have told me that the honor code of the military that they serve today does not allow them to be honest. i support repealing the don't ask don't tell provision because i believe it is important to allow these men and women to live their dream and fight for their country which they do so well. i do not believe that you cannot -- i do not believe that you can tell them that they cannot

serve. one young woman told me that her dream was to fight for our military and to get back to her country, and she cannot do it today because she is gay. that is wrong, in my opinion. we need every american who wants to serve to be able to serve today. not only would i vote to repeal don't ask don't tell, but i would sponsor the legislation and i would fight side-by-side by anyone who is really need to fight for our country. >> mr. roth rossi, you have 30 seconds to respond. >> i will use my 30 seconds to talk about the military. i have said that they are good stuff that do good work. when i become your u.s. senator, i will have good staff and we will to great work with individual veterans, but i will not vote to bankrupt america. i will also not take votes that

will blow away the freedom that you folks actually fought for. i think you for the service you're done for this country. >> senator, you have 30 seconds to respond. >> as someone who has worked very hard on behalf of all our veterans to make sure that they have the resources that they need and the right policies and have the #so many times, i do not discriminate on whether they are gay or lesbian or straight for who they are or were they have been or what they have done for our country before or after. i make sure that every veteran gets the respect they have earned. mr. rossi has said that he would divide into two and had nothing that is right. >> our next question will come from you, senator murray. you can ask mr. rossi anything that you like. >> i would like to ask mr. rossi, when he talks so much about balancing the budget, he

can tell people that he will give a tax cut to the wealthiest 2% of americans. we all know that we are going to pass tax cuts for middle income families, looks burning less than $250,000. i want to make sure that we passed the ability for us to deduct our state sales tax. i want to extend the marriage penalty and i want to make sure our businesses get the tax cuts they need to hire employees. but i do not think the people at the top 2% should get an additional tax cut on top of that to the tune of $1 trillion regardless of our ability to educate our students 3, to ask mr. rossi, how are you going to pay for the extra 1 trillion dollars -- $1 trillion, the top 2% americans that you want to give an additional tax cut to. >> you have 90 seconds to

answer. then you can ask a question of senator murray. >> she said it is the largest tax increase of american history. she is for those middle class tax cuts. she once those middle class tax cuts. 2001-talking about the 2003 tax cuts. she never produced a bill in washington d.c. reauthorize and our exemptions for sales tax, senator murray voted to adjourn and then came down and started talking on the floor about these sales taxes. they counted on 252 * when senator murray has raised taxes and stopped counting after that. we only have so many hours in the day. the bottom line is that senator

murray, you can give her six more years. senator murray is the most liberal senator in washington d.c.. that takes some doing because you have to get to the left of bernie sanders from vermont. senator murray has an 18 year record of taxing, spending and growing our debt and that is unacceptable. we need to change that. >> mr. rossi, now wish to ask a question of senator murray? >> senator murray, we talked about trade. unfortunately, we have a situation where, in eastern washington, you put through your committee and voted for a bill that's part of a tariff war with mexico. because the teamsters has given tens of thousands of dollars to your campaign, they wanted this

pilot program killed. we want to make sure that any trucks that come over are safe, but how can you run around the state and say that we have to do something about this this cost the community tens of millions of dollars that will -- that we will never get back. not another of one of those do one thing in washington d.c. and something different in washington state? >> mr. rossi has his facts confused. this is a safety issue regarding the ability for trucks to cross our borders and to make sure that the drivers are safe and the trucks are inspected. that pilot program ended, and today, we are demanding that the administration to reinstate that program because the mexican government has decided to punish

our farmers through no fault of their own because of a policy dispute in our country that is very challenging. i have called on the secretary of transportation. i have been very clear, including bringing the secretary of transportation out here to meet with our agricultural workers. our farmers have no part in this. i just answered your question, but he did not even go anywhere near to answer my question about how you are going to pay for nearly $1 trillion tax cut. >> you have 30 seconds. >> i did answer your question, it is just not your answers, which is higher taxes and more spending. i will make sure that we do not have the biggest increase

because it will kill more jobs. if you take money away from the people that are creating jobs, they have less to create jobs with. it is not hard to figure out. advisor boardan's at a university. this tax increase is going to kill jobs in the state. >> now, we only have a couple of minutes left. senator, you do get 30 seconds to rebut. >> under the bush economic policies that mr. rossi says he is going to support, the tax cuts that were not paid for, that got us to where we are today, i voted against them. secondly, he says that wall street managers gamble with your money and collapsed this economy. i'm voted to put in strong wall street reform to protect you and mr. rossi will repeal that.

>> we will not have time for rebuttal on this next question. we would like each of you to give it your best shot to convince a voter from the opposite party to vote for you and we start with central murray. >> -- center murray. >> thank you. -- senator murray. >> thank you. i worked with republicans to pass laws. we are working to reauthorize a lot. i am working with a very conservative republican to help put together a work force bill to make sure that our communities are educating kids in our high schools for the skills and the jobs they need in their own communities. i worked with john mccain to pass safety laws when we had three young kids in bellingham killed in a tragic accident when

an oil pipeline exploded. i know how to work across the aisle. it is how you get things done. i have been in the senate in the minority, and i have been in the majority and i have been in the dead center. we need to work with them to find out how we can help the communities train their kids and we need to pass legislation to make our country strong again. >> mr. rossi, you have 90 seconds to try to encourage democrats to come over to your side. >> it is very clear that these problems are too big for one party to softer that is what i said when i was clearly outnumbered. i had to produce a budget to balance the largest deficit in history. before session started, i went around the state and went to the

moderate democrat senators and told them that i did not have any money, but i would protect the most normal people in our society and i will not raise taxes. in our lifetime, and almost every major deficit has resulted in a tax increase until that time. that is because i was willing to work across party lines. that is why we have so much support in this campaign, not just from republicans and independents, but we also have a lot of democrats. we want to welcome anyone that wants to turn this country around because this is not a republican or democrat issue. that is why i am doing what i am doing. i was not planning to run for the u.s. senate, but that is what needs to be done for the that is why we are here right now. we cannot just -- signature murray voted with the

leadership a large percentage of the time. she will continue to do this for six more years. it is your choice. i hope you will come with me in a different direction. >> that is all the time we have four questions tonight. it is time for closing remarks. >> each candidate will have 90 seconds to say whatever they wish. mr. rossi? >> my grandfather came from italy. mike ran for it -- my grandmother came from italy. they ended up in washington and my grandpa wasn't goldminer -- was a coal miner. why did your family come to america? they believed it would be a better place for themselves, their children and their grandchildren. this great land of opportunity, america is a great land of opportunity. you can rise to any level that your talent and work ethic will take heed.

the american dream is what we're talking about. is all possible. you have a choice in this election. is very clear. if you like the way things are going right now, if you like the high employment rate, if you like the health care that is being controlled by the government, if you like the earmarks, i guarantee you that senator murray will be six more years of this. if you want to get your freedom back, if you want to make sure you can use your money the way you want to for your family, if you want to have control of your own health care and your own life, i respectfully ask for your vote. if we are successful on november 2, please do not abandon me. i will need your help for the next six years. i cannot do this on myself. thank you senator murray for being here. i appreciate this and i look forward to the next 16 days on the road to victory. >> senator murray, you now have 90 seconds for closing remarks. >> thank you, mr. rossi thank

all of you for listening to this important discussion about the future of our state and our country. we do have a very clear choice tonight. mr. rossi has told you that if he is elected, he will repeal wall street reform and leave your finances in the hands of wall street ceos and hedge fund managers. i will work to protect you and your family from that ever happening again. i come home and i talk to people in every community to find out what investments you need to build your communities and to make you strong again. mr. rossi has said good luck, go find a d.c. bureaucrat to solve your problems. mr. rossi has told you that he is going to take you back to the bush economic policy of 2001 and 2003. he will pass tax cuts for the wealthiest americans without paying for it.

i say that it is time to make the strong decisions for the future. when my family was growing up, my dad lost his job when he got sick. my family had to cut their budget back and had to be frugal. they knew they also have to invest in their kids and their education so that we could have a strong family in the future. our country needs to do the same. simple decisions, but smart decisions for the future. those of the kinds of decisions i will vote for you. i ask that you vote so that i can be your voice in the united states senate. thank you. >> center to murray, mr. rossi, thank you for taking part in tonight's debate. good luck to both of you. >> thank you at home for watching. we hope you feel better prepared to make your choice. >> these are tough times for our country and our state. be sure to vote in the general election. from all loss of komo4, thanks for being with us and have a good evening.

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