"the new york daily news" and got lucky enough to go from there to the with the boston globe" and that journey of going from one paper to the next is largely over. for the younger -- for the students here at "the crimson" who want to take on this career, it's going to be a different path for you. . we want to start a new kind of model, which is basically a free-lance model. it is an absolute prerequisite of hours that you lived in the place about which you write. that is the only way you can get at those stories. we are trying to create something new that can replicate the experience that david halberstam had, which is to get that moment that every correspondent is waiting for.

history catapult's you, as he puts it, to a moment where journalism matters. you do not know when that will happen, but it is what everyone is out there looking for. the more people we held in the world doing that, the more eyeballs we have in the world, the better we are as a country. we cannot let this great tradition of paternalism died. we have to start thinking about rebuilding. >> i wanted to talk about a particular story that just appeared. explain what we are looking at here, charlie. >> this is a story that we did last summer. we have been trying to think about how we can state with a story, but also create an environment of understanding that takes you in depth.

this is a history of the taliban. i started covering the taliban in 1996 because the foreign editor of the "boston globe" said it was a new movement called the taliban. he told me to check them out. i have no my photographer for a long time. there was one story that we broke that was inside this series. that was by a gene mckenzie, our kabul correspondent. we were having lunch in kabul. a swarm bigeye watch by and gives them a hug. she said that he had to pay protection money. everyone knows that. i said, "no, they do not."

we literally started reporting the story. jean did not break the story perfectly. it was not sort of a spotlight six-month investigation. she got divorced story out that said "u.s. aid gets hundreds of millions of dollars per year." began to the subcontractor level, that is where the -- that is where there are afghan contractors. the they are paying all the taliban for protection. we began to do the math on that. we are not talking about -- we are talking about potentially hundreds of millions of dollars. we began to think this was a huge story. we do not at global post have all the resources we need to get that story.

getting more funding to take us a deeper to what we are going to think about if we are going to get those kinds of stories -- we know we have the people in place it can find them. we got far enough down the field that usaid started to investigate. it just came out last week. they spent one year on an audit. they gave us a nice phone call that said the report was out. they gave it to us first. it basically confirmed our report that the taliban was taking a 20% cut of afghan subcontractors in afghanistan. one contract was $5 million that the taliban took. our tax dollars going to the taliban -- that story really resonated and garnered a lot of attention. we are trying to find a way at global post where we can do

those kinds of stories. that is the focus i am trying to go in now. we want to keep that daley machine going with great feature stories and great coverage done by people who really know it. can we take it deeper? can we do the stories that matter? >> what david halberstam and did was be a professional journalist. he made a of living modestly when he got out of college. he began writing books. he spent the rest of his career effectively as a book writer. he wrote a highly regarded books. you talked about a new model. you have made it a career, had a daughter, pay a mortgage, and lived a life. you were paid in a way that

allows you to be a professional journalist. professional journalism may generally be a dangerous concept. is it important? >> if yes, it is important. absolutely it is important. one of the things -- the initial rush when the internet started to destroy the business model, it is not going to be so bad because we will have crawlowd sourcing. kraals of people do not find that much out. -- crowds of people do not find that much out. i believe the future will bring us more stability. we cannot overstate how much of a transitional time this is. a couple of quick fax for the audience -- when i worked at the arizona and, we were a newspaper

that was gaining 50% of our revenues on classified advertising. the business model was a very simple one. you want to sell your car? give us $100. what can be a better model than that. if you do not like that, you can keep your car. if that that has on the business side of things cannot be underestimated. down the road, we give away our content for free. it is done. we did it. now we will have to pull that back. over the next few years, people would begin charging small amounts. i think the business will ultimately merge in a way that we do not yet know. it will stabilize. there will be living wages paid for professional people to find

information. >> what about the talented amateurs? the people to graduate from harvard and have a passion for it -- that seems to be being refreshed again and again. is that going to be enough? is there a need for people to send a kid to college and pay for a mortgage to get into professional journalism? >> what we do is important. i hope you are right about everything you just said. i think we have sort of stood back and been stunned by the changes. there are smart people working to keep up with this. i think the public understands the importance of journalism in many ways.

there is, to me, eight new model -- a new model. mitch is a new journalist who freelances. he is fantastic. i first met nick in pakistan. he moved there with his wife. they lived there for two years. they were thrown out because he wrote something that the i.s.i. did not like. their visas were revoked. they have managed to pay a mortgage. i think it is a harder model that perhaps what i went through. i do not think any of us got into it for the money. >> working for the man -- >> it is an absolutely wonderful

model. he loves what he is doing. the is a talent. if you have a talent and are a great journalist, you are going to do ok. >> i was thinking this is amazing. in a very similar career to david halberstam. i was one of the last copy boys in america. i went to new york as a person who had just recently gotten out of high school. i did not have any kids. i did not have a family. i had no idea what it was like to be an adult in our society. i was trying to interpret busing in the south to an entire community of people. i was way over my head. nothing was wrong with that. i think young people do a great job.

if newspapers are only people who do not have families who are in their early 20s and had no idea what the rest of life is like, i think newspapers will be poorer for it. >> i think the young nick's will grow into that model as well. >> we are seeing an interesting model developed. for example, you see a young, very talented person. nikki is a talented photographer. she can write. she cannot write right out of the box like somebody who has been doing it for 10 years, but she has the gift. she goes to turkey for us and begins to unpack that place. she has an affinity for it. she understands the history.

she says that these photo essays that tell us things about turkey that are very interesting. she does simple reporting, interviews, building a story. she is starting to get really good. we had to pay her in a way that was probably not that different from what david halberstam and made at that first newspaper where it he was taking a bit big shot trying to make his name. we are seeing that these young her correspondence can put together blogs, they can freelance for other people, they can get somewhere doing free- lance photography. it is a different life. the idea of being the boston globe released correspondent, living in jerusalem, my family is well taken care of, never had a new car in my life until the

globe bought me one -- it was a stunningly generous way to the the of telling me to go out and cover the world the way the boston globe needs to be able to do it. it was the greatest job you could ever have to be working for a big, bright newspaper as a foreign correspondent. now it is hard. if you guys want to do this, it is difficult. you'll have to be your own brand. you have to be entrepreneurial. you got to think about where you want to take your career. yet to make good decisions. i would have never let her go to iraq. if you put her in the region to understand it in a place where she can operate safely and can learn, that is a great, strategic direction in which she spent her career. if we are going to get these start-ups like ours working, we

will have to be attentive to the needs of this correspondence. there is a obligation we hold to really make these correspondents feel like they are part of something. we are trying our best. >> we are going to open it up to your questions. we hope you'll join us. there are microphones here. if you would, make sure what you say is in the form of a question. also, please identify yourself. >> my name is william. my wife is a student here. i am a freelance journalist. i had been making my way for the last four years. i found very few people willing to pay more than $5 for an article. my question is about the coverage of afghanistan. i worked in afghanistan for a couple of weeks and wrote an article from there.

for the last two years, when you watch the news -- your stuff is much better than a lot of your competitors -- it is just not representative of what afghanistan is. all i see when i watch the news is when hitting the victimized, which is true, or i see men who are taliban who have begun an abused their women. there is never the reality of the afghan men who are just like us. >> what is your question? >> when does that get cut off? i do not believe you are going to these countries saying, "i am just going to show the taliban, i am just going to show the women." when does it get edited them up who is responsible for that? how you approach that to get

the message across? >> one of the problems with the coverage of afghanistan is the country is really suffering from the war. >> which country? >> our country. our country is suffering from war fatigue. through nine years of war, they feel that we have covered these stories again and again and again. i think i am in a unique position. it is harder for me to say. i am pretty much in charge of what i put on the air. the military is not the only view of afghanistan, nor should it ever be.

we have people based in kabul to get out to see other things. do i think everybody has a complete picture? i really do not. it is very tough. throughout these years of people saying the networks want to put on the blood of war and horrible things to make money, trust me, when afghanistan comes up, the television goes off. people change the channel. i do not think my bosses are lookit that and say we cannot go to afghanistan. it is really challenging for us to go out there and tell stories and make people care about it or show some normal life in afghanistan. i also have to say that we have a bazillion stories from iraq. in some areas it was completely peaceful. our troops were fighting. that is the same in afghanistan. i tried more and more analysis

when i come back. i do not like it to be based on what i think. i think we really have to talk to as many people as we can. we have to talk about people who are living normally, but right now we are in the stage where we have to focus. it is very difficult. it really is. >> i would like to thank you for sharing your experiences. i am a freshman at the college. i want to ask about the difficulties of your job. was there any time in your life when you were this close to saying, "i am done. i have had enough of this. i need to move on." >> charlie has had 10. i had only three happy years as a foreign correspondent.

i do remember a moment when i was covering the war in yugoslavia. i had gone to cover democracy, freedom, and free market in poland. i felt myself wandering around a corn field wondering, "how did this happen?" we discovered a massacre. there were bodies stacked in an old-age home. it was very bloody. they basically said we could have 14 inches and site. i remember saying, "what do you want here?" we have 100,000 refugees. we have bodies stacked up out back. what will it take for you people to care about this? this is crazy. why i am doing this? i felt myself thinking i was not doing my job. they do not care, so why should

i care? the word was "yugo-fatigue." i am shore charlie has a lot more frustration to tell you about. >> probably all of us -- the frustration is not ever getting what you want on the air. >> the thing about what you are saying is -- i love the way you came back to you have to work harder. if there is anything from david halberstam's history and the work he did is how hard he worked. this is something that i -- i really worry about your correspondents who do not have these opportunities and are running in all of these

different directions to make it happen. it is hard to sit down and focus on that one big story. david had a chance to do that in vietnam. let's get the economy. think of the hard work of trying to get our heads around this economy. i like where we ended up. that is really healthy. i have had more frustrating moments where i did not have such a healthy response. [laughter] >> there are not as many fits as there used to be. >> the worst thing to do is to hang up on an editor when you are on a staff phone. you'll never get another connection. it is the stupidest thing i ever done. it is like, "god, i am an idiot."

when i lived in jerusalem, we had our kids and the bus bombings or going on everywhere. you are suddenly very connected to the israeli and palestinian people and what they are going through. in a way, you are part of that. you are immersed in it. i think similar experiences -- living in jerusalem, going into serious fighting in the west bank, seeing kids shot by israeli snipers, coming home, passing by the bus stop where israeli civilians have been killed -- your little kids are running in the garden and you are like, "i am part of this." part of it is recognizing that three little boys and a bombing right near the it is school and

a hamas bomber's brain in a parking lot. my wife and i both said, "that is it. we have to go." we arrived in london in december of 2001 and i knew i was out of the middle east. i had on a blue blazer. i was going to cover london. it was going to be amazing. then september 11 happen and the whole world changed. all the things you covered have come into sharp focus. you have a chance to take all that work and bring it to the field. i have said it three times and i will not say it again, but that despair can often lead to the place where you need to work hard. >> yes, sir?

>> i am a freshman at the college. my question relates to safety. we talked about that in previous questions. how important is the consideration of safety when you're going into a relatively dangerous region? what sort of a balance do you try to find and how does that thinking process go along? >> i have been in war zones most recently. i think you have to be -- i always tell people who have not done this before that do not go into your own safety. having roles. since the lines you will not cross. when you get in there, you start forgetting it because you are excited and something is happening and you want to go further and further. i do not tell my family what i do.

i do not tell them half the stuff that i have done. i share a little with the u.s. military. i have some disadvantage. i remember -- i try to be careful and not be crazy. i had a colleague, bob woodruff, who was injured. thank goodness he is doing great. that was really hard. that was hard on me. that was hard on my kids. they knew bob. my son who is a freshman in challenge, used to kid me that i had never been an anchor on tv. peter jennings had died the

year before. bob woodruff was named anchor. my son said, "mama, i have decided i do not want you to be an anchor any more." you think about things like that when you are over there. on the other hand, i have done things that i know i should not have done. i went into the swat valley in pakistan when the taliban were controlling huge areas of that. i pretty much stood out like crazy. no matter how many scarves you put on, they know you are an american. that was that moment where you thought, "i really need to do this. no one has done this." we did it very quickly. i get a stand up and we got in the car. i got to interview a couple of people. we drove 120 miles per hour out

of there. in terms of body armor and things like that, i always wear body armor. peter jennings used to tell me i looked like a complete dork in a helmet. i think you just have to have your own rules about what you will do. in afghanistan now we have security. i will take some credit for that. a couple of years ago we were staying at a hotel there and we started going back and forth. it was not the safest drive by ourselves. we got stopped once bite some afghan police. it was nerve wracking. i remember calling my editor and saying we should not be traveling these roads by ourselves. you try to get better at that. charlie -- i love hearing him say this -- we will not send people who do not have war

experience to a war zone. i said to abc that they had not done this before. bob was experience. do not send people who do not have experience because anything can happen. if you are in a humvee, you know what questions to ask. you just have to have experience. you gain it or you talk to people who had been there so that you get better. >> this is the thing that keeps me up at night all the time. we are a small news organizations with limited resources. we are very stealth. the thing that is balanced there is that we can never be so stealth that we put people at risk. we have had to cobble together coverage plans that we can afford it by being creative, by

being very precise, by being sure they check in with us, but be sure we know where they are, and by being very careful. we are building new models for journalism. we cannot forget that we have to respect the people in the field. we have to have the resources. >> i am 8 visiting international student. you talked about the sudden feeling of having a piece of information. i was just curious and i guess my question goes to all of you -- have you ever wondered if you crossed the line or ended up not publishing an article because of moral or ethical reasons?

>> that is a good question, but we have a lot of people who want to talk. i will ask one person to respond to it. >> if you are a good journalist, especially in the investigative realm -- i think you have a better answer. >> investigative reporting involves getting information that somebody does not want you to have and the courage to know it may not be there. >> i have purposely not written stories that did not pan out. i have, and i am short markell and charlie have from time to time, have had to withhold details at the request of the american government. i take a deep breath when i do something i know will be horrible to another person and i know we have to do this. i had never felt -- i could

tell you about it, but i would have to shoot you all. there was a story where a very decent person in a story does not come out well. >> my name is at blair. my question is for charles. you mentioned that you're sending someone over to turkey to immersed herself in the culture and the history of the culture in order to be a better foreign correspondent. in the future in a globalized, digital music world, the you think the foreign correspondents will be from that country? >> that is a really good question. we have many of our correspondence to or from the

country to write for us as well. one of the things we are trying to do is write to an american audience. if you are from that country and you have gone to college in the states or have lived in the states for a while, that is great. as long as you know that the nba matters a lot more than cricket. you understand if you make a reference to the west bank, describing it as roughly the size of rhode island. we have such an uphill climb to get americans to care about the world, i have to have writers who can do that. i do not care where you are from as long as you can do that. we do find that it is really good to have fresh eyes. that is the skill of being a storyteller. people talk about crowd sourcing and citizen journalism.

they did not have everyone go in. i really believe that journalists have a craft for getting it right and telling the story in an interesting way. that is what we are looking for. yes, it needs to be told in a way that the american audience can connect. >> there is a big line where someone was asked about citizen journalist -- ben bradley, sr. he said, "what you think about citizen journalist?" he said, "i do not know. what do you think about citizen surgeons."

>> we want to find the top journalist in these countries with whom we can partner. then it becomes a learning experience. >> my name is richard. i am an affiliate here. in the real world, i am a bbc correspondent. david halberstam and loved challenging conventional wisdom on a story, specifically for historical hindsight. he talked about when editors and audiences have a fixed view about something. >> i think that is a good question. there was a time in the late 1980's when a colleague of mine and i were frustrated. we had gone out to do a story and could not get the editors to pay attention. he said, "the new york times will never be ahead."

in a sense, you can circle too far ahead of a story. it becomes very frustrating. i think that is great journalism. if you define yourself as challenging the conventional wisdom, you are going to find a great journalist. nobody has ever really changed anyone's mind by doing a slightly different version of a story. >> we are running out of time. i want to get to two other questioners a very quickly. yes. >> thank you. i am not a harvard student, but i am a news junkie. i find your story about dick cheney breathtakingly cynical, but not at all surprising. what do you think is the chemical reaction that produces that moment? why did it happen with you and not with one of your colleagues?

is it the time of day? >> you know what, i do not know, but i know we walked out of that room -- you could see his staff just go, "oh, no." no one was mad at me. no one was blaming me for that. he was retired or he had a long day or whatever. there are certainly moments. i had never interviewed him before. if it tells you something about vice president cheney, i have covered the white house for 2.5 years and never met him. there was that. i think sometimes people go into interviews and they think it will be 10 minutes, who cares. we were in oman during that

interview. i felt like he had a lot of chances. a lot of moments past when he could have said, "let's go back to that." >> one last question. >> i am a graduate of the school. i would like to change the subject to something that has been an enormous failure, which is the coverage of climate change. i want to ask steven a question about that. why is it going to take for you to cover that? we have had a decade of climate catastrophe around the globe. >> first of all, we do cover it. should it be covered more, absolutely. my personal view is that we are in a transitional period in the world of energy.

it is the single most important story of our time. i will challenge you back and say that i think there is an awful lot of coverage. i do not think we are ignoring it at all. >> i am sorry to say we are out of time. i hope that you have enjoyed this as much as i have. it has been a great opportunity to honor the traditions, the passion, and the spirit of david halberstam. panelists, thank you all. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] cable satellite corp. 2010] >> tomorrow on "washington william bennett on the

future of the republican party. bob deans will discover which -- will discuss the gulf oil spill. washington journal begins live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. >> a former journalist for the united nations, she is the author of eight books. phyllis bennis , sunday at 12:00 >> this week on "q&a", we continue our interviews from london. dan reed is the director of the film "terror in mumbai." the bombing killed over 175 people.

>> to page you to do this? >> i am hired by channel 4, hbo, pbs. >> how many documentary's have you done? >> about 25 or 30. i have lost count. >> we ask you here to talk about "terror in mumbai." it is two years old. >> it is the story of the terrorist attack on the city of mumbai on the 26 of november, 2008. it is known in india as 2611/

10 young men invaded a beach in self mumbai. it is the most popular side of the series of the city. i just darted killing. they did not stop for 57 hours. i tried to tell the story of the attack. i also did it from the eyes of the attackers. >> we are going to show a little bit in a moment. where were you on that day? >> where was i? it is funny, i was trying to remember the other day exactly where i was. i think i was in a cutting room. sometimes i like to do a police procedural.

it is a contrast to the documentary work i do. i do it less dangerous work since i have a family. >> how long did it take you to get to mumbai? >> the genesis of the film -- it was not an instant reaction bank. i do not watch the news. i am hired on a job by job basis. i do the project that i like and the project that turned me on. i got a call, i think it was in january, from an executive producer. he said, "dan, would you go to mumbai?" i had not made a documentary for about four or five years. i had been making,.

i made a movie. the last documentary i made before "terror in mumbai" was called "terror in moscow." they covered the activities in 2002. it told the story of a hit squad to cut 800 hostages in moscow. i told that story through the eyes of the hostages. it was about sitting in a theater with your family and friends and waiting to die. it is about the events that unfolded. i obtained a tape that was shot by the terrorists in the theater giving a speech on one of the hostages' video camera.

that was my last documentary for a while. i went on to do some fiction. i had a hankering to return to the documentary world. after a while, talking to actors and living in a very controlled world, it gets at you after a while. i did not know much about the mumbai attacks at the time. it was a terrific story to try and tell. hbo came on a little bit later. the notion of mumbai appealed to me. the challenge of trying to tell a story in a different way.

this was a story that was confused and model. nobody really understood what was going on in mumbai from reading the papers or watching television reports. there was a lot of conflicting information. mumbai is a very dynamic, modern indian city. >> if you had never been there? >> i had never been to india in my life before i make the film. >> when did you touch them? >> march, 2009. this was sometime after the attack. >> did you go by yourself? >> i did. >> did you have a camera? >> no. i will first get to smell the air. i will try to make friends and make contacts, trying to of soared as much as i can and understand, not by a sort of frontal assault, but nibbling

around the edges. this was a story that did not tell itself very easily at all. my first idea was to try to compact as many victims as possible, people who were there, who were in the railway station when the gunman started firing. those who were in the hotel when the gunman started shooting. those who were in the jewish community center. i had the luxury of being able to take a little bit of time at the beginning of the project. it accelerates quickly when you find what you need. >> how long were you there the first time you went? >> i spent a total of three months over all. the first trip was five or six weeks.

>> where you marry at the time? >> yes. >> children? >> i had a son and a daughter. >> how old are your kids? >> 7, 3, and three-months. my children were little. every time i go away for more than three weeks, it is miserable. >> hell are you? >> i am 45-years old. i never had any training in television or film. i did a degree and had -- i had a strange academic career. i went to university to do math and physics. before i started the courses, i changed to russian and french. i was very curious about russian. this is when russia was the unknown other -- sort of like

the looking glass. i wanted to explore worlds unlike my own. >> i saw your documentary in several places. it has been available more than one time on video on demand. i watched it on the internet where it had a different moderator, a different narrator. the hbo documentary was one and i do not know who the other one was. to block the documentary? >> it was commissioned by two broadcasters. one was channel 4 in the u.k., the other was hbo.

they wanted to have of what you call a "wrap around." fareeq was wonderful and a very eminent figure. i am extremely pleased that he came on board. the u.k. version was made before the american version. the american version is longer. for the uk version, we used dominic west. this was his first ever voice- over narration job. >> let's watch so that those who have not seen it can get a sense of what you have put together. if you pay close attention, all of the elements are in this opening couple of minutes. >> what you are about to watch

is unique. the attacks have been reconstructed from the point of view of survivors, witnesses, and first responders. this time, you are with the terrorists. you'll hear the voices of the young men on the ground in mumbai. you'll also see the victims, men, women, and children. it is the first 360 degree view of terrorism. >> november 26, 2008 -- an organization determined to surpass al qaeda as the world's most feared terrorist group. their mission was to kill and keep on killing. it was a spectacle so terrifying, that the world could no longer ignore the army of the righteous.

>> indian intelligence intercepted the terrorist cell phone conversations with their commander in pakistan. >> they were doing their job, as a matter of fact. >> one gunman was captured alive.

for the army of the righteous, it was a test run for future operations, not just in india, but perhaps elsewhere. their method of attack could easily be adapted to any american city. no hijacked airliners or sophisticated weaponry, just tend young man with mobile phones and rifles. they were trained to kill on command. >> i kept asking where you got the video of them walking out of the hotel and the audio of the telephone conversation between pakistan and these 10 men. let's start with what we just saw. how many people were killed in mumbai on that occasion? >> the death toll reached, i think, 150. most of these were 52 or 53 to

died at the railway station. it was over so quickly. the victims were poor. they were less important in terms of the media then maybe the wealthy clients of the hotel. >> where did you get the video of the blood on the floor at all the clothes? >> that was camera phone footage. it was taken by a guy who, as a teenager, was a beggar at the station. he ended up being part of our team. he is a successful young man now and a politician. he grew up as a hobo in the station.

when the attack happened, he went in there looking for his friends and picking up the bodies. he helped collect the bodies as well. he filmed on his camera phone. he said, "have a look at this." i bought it from him. >> where did you get the audio phone conversations between pakistan and these 10 young men who did the killing? >> they were recorded by two intelligence agencies in england to my knowledge. it was the intelligence bureau in new delhi and the police anti-terrorism unit in mumbai. exactly how i obtained the

recordings i cannot say. these are not recordings that were released to us by the authorities. >> are the authorities upset that you have them? >> they were rather upset that i have them. i believe a summons was issued and some legal action was threatened by the mumbai police, but they would not follow through. from the indian point of view, it was upsetting that this material was not supposed to be publicly broadcast. on the other hand, it demonstrated that pakistan was behind the attacks and that, for them, was pretty useful. i guessed they were not too upset. >> how often or you solicited by people in india once they knew you were there doing a

documentary and they wanted to give you stuff? >> no one wanted to give us anything. it was extremely difficult to pry this film from where it was. that was the hardest part of the production. it was very difficult. nobody in the indian media or the national media has succeeded in getting the recordings before we did. >> where did you get the closed-circuit video from the hotels? >> the closed-circuit video from the hotels were obtained without the consent of the hotels. they were recordings that existed and had been circulating -- the authorities had them. it was an important story to be told.

i suspected that the material was being held because it could be embarrassing to the hotel. it may be considered embarrassing if you are a big hotel to have men with machine guns walking around shooting your guest. >> have you been back to india? >> no, i have not. >> as it aired in india? >> i think it has in another form on one of the local channels. in mumbai, we try to prevent that. it has been seen online. >> you can see it online now? >> yes, you can see it online. to answer your question, it has been broadcast nationally in india. >> first question, how many of

the 10 men were killed? >> 9 of the 10 men were killed. >> in that 36-hour. ? >> yes. the 57-hour period is the time that they were killed or burned to death. that is where the clock stopped, if you like. he had machine guns and a whole lot of people at the station. he then killed three policemen and a fourth as he was being captured. the police had every reason to treat him with extreme prejudice. i was surprised at how gentle they were within.

he has been put on trial. he has been sentenced to death. whether the centers will be carried out or not is an open question. the indian legal system is very slow. >> how did you get the video? >> we obtained it because we've got it had a huge public interest value. that was the most difficult piece of material to get ahold of. >> have much of the video did you have to pay for? >> we do not like to pay cash for materials. we hire people who obtain it for us. you cannot just hire someone. you cannot walk into a newspaper or some institution in england and say, "here is two months' work.

could get this." obtaining film like this is a bit of an art. it involves a load of trust to make relationships with people. they have to trust you and believe they are doing something worthwhile.

n c-span's "q & a." this year's pro israel conference featured a speak by newly elected congressmanlan west, who will represent florida's 22nd district when he is sworn in next week. the conference, held in ft. lauderdale, florida, was organized by the group americans against hate. this is just under three hours. >> grab some food and take a seat. plenty of open seats on the left and right. my name is jeff rubenoff. i have been involved with americans against hate for four years now. pretty much ever since i moved down here to florida. american against hate was

founded in 1998. it's currently united way funded, nonprofit, 501c3 organization whose mission is to educate the public on the danger of those individuals within the uned states who actively spread bigotry and violence. on september 11, 2001, the focus of our organization drastically changed as you can all kite imagine. the issue of terrorism became our primary concern, as it is to this day. as a terrorism watchdog group americans against hate work tirelessly to shut down entities that are related to terrorist groups overseas. in tober 2006 we found a terror watch to expose a

terrorist ties of many individuals who are associated with a council of american -- on american islamic relations terrorists. a front group of hamas. since then we have persuaded a number of government officials to break their ties with the care organization. this this includes united states senator barbara boxer in california, who we convinced to rescind an award from a care leader. also tampa bay's mayor pam iorio, who we convinced to stop issuing proclamations in care's name. in december 2008, we stood shoulder to shoulder with hundreds of our friends in the hindu, christian and jewish communities here in florida to

speak out against those who perpetrated the massacre that took place in mumbai, india. in december 2009, we launched young zionists. to call on the united states government to stop hindering israel from taking action against those who threaten her existence. americans against hate continues to be a leading voice in the fight against hatred and terror. please continue to support our great effort. i want to start byanding over the mic to our conference emcee, lisa messy. >> thank you, jeff.

i'm pleased to be here with you toy at the pro israel conference 2010. i wanted to thank joe kauffman for putting it all together and for all of the work he's done through americans against hate day after day, year aft year. on my radio show, "the justice hour," i tell people if you don't know your rights, just don't have any rights. today is about justice for israel and justice for america. israel's existence is at risk and every day just as americans fight the war on terror against the same factions seeking to -- the same factions seeking to destroy israel. our support for israel in the united states must be unequivocal. we're here to show our unwavering support for israel th a number of wonderful speakers we thank you for your support and your presence here today. now for our national anthem,

performance and arrangement of joe citizen of the joe citizen show, wlbj 1040 a.m. ♪ o say can you see by the dawn's early light what so proudlye hail at the twilight's last gleaming whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight oe'r the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming and the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air gave proof through the night

that our fla was still there o say does that star-spangled banner yet wave oe'r the land of the free and the home of the brave ♪ >> and next singing the israeli national anthem by international vocalist inez chapman.

we lead off today with dennis brown, a lecturer for young zionists. he is the former south florida district president of the zionist ornization of america. dennis will discuss how internal politics within israel can withstand the threat from iran.

>> thank you all again for joining us. the young zionists in our pro-israeli policy forum today. thanks for our distinguished panel for being here and we are especially proud to have with us congressman alan west, a truly great american who will no doubt be a great friend -- [applause] -- who will no doubt be a great friend to israel and all of congress in the critical days ahead. i would like to discuss today how israel can with sps stand gather ago nuclear storm from iran. in order to do so we will have to look at internal matters within the state of israel. we will have to take a close look at israel's political elites as well as the political establishment that insulates these leets from strength and wi of the israeli people. as we do this, we will discover

this has been leading israel down a dangerous path. but my's edge will be a positive one, because we can find that which has been leading israel down a dangerous path can be found and reside in the state of israel, then it is within our power as supporters of the state of israel to help the israeli people bring change about from within. let's begin with the proxy wars. as we know, iran has two proxy forces, raid against israel. one in the south in gaza, and the other in lebanon, hezbollah. they have been prodding and poking israel for years, testing her resolve. so it's not a surprise israel has fought each of the last two wars against the proxy forces of iran. maybe it's a surprise to hear israel was defeated in each last two works by no less than a measure by proxies of iran, each of whom emerged more entrenched, more deadly and lethal than ever before. in the south before the fighting took place two years ago, hamas

had weaponshat mainly were weons of mass destruction, such as primitive missiles aimed against israel's south. but today hamas now has missiles that can target israel's most popular city, tel aviv. it's interesting to hear that the prime minister of the state of israel has said it's difficult for the israel lair force to fly over gaza because now also hamas has very sophticated aircraft weapons as well. i said it's interesting to hear that from the israeli prime minister because as a former member of the cabinet in a nationalist government of ariel sharon, voted four times for the unilateral withdrawal from gaza, which led the missiles to now dangle like a dagger over tel aviv. as we look to the fighting that took place in the north, hezbollah took the fight to israel, took the fight to israel's home front in a way not seen ever before since even going back to the war of independence. missiles hailed over the north, causing the entire north region of israel to evacuate.

hundreds and hundreds of thousands of israelis fled for their lives to the center of the country where many would live out the lgest war as internal refugees, many living in internal displacement camps. the jewish wld has taken little note of this. of what happened to israel's home front but the enemies of israel and middle east did not miss that. they saw the spectacle of hundreds of thousands of israelis feeling for their lives. so because israel's weakness and pass sievety, today it is also hezbollah has missiles that darget all of israel's population centers. why did israel stay her hand in these proxy wars? nobody on any side of this conflict doubt had israel determined to t. could have achieved any strategic objective, including completely expelling hezbollah from lebanon as it had done previously two decades before to the plo. why did israel state her own

hand? many supporters of israel, our minds turn right away to the in fact israel is a small, tiny nation under so much universal hostility and double standards. thurely this must confine the ability to defend itself as other nations ordinarily wofment we don't need the recent wikileaks to understand that's not the case. even at the time these wars were in progress, even the most important arab sparkse sunni arab space in saudi arabia, wanted israel to dohat was necessary to deal with the sites of blow to the proxies of iran because of sunni arab states have a lot to fear from the risi shia tide, the menace in the middle east from iran. why did israel state her own hand? for that we must look at internal matters in the state of israel. is the threat from iran deemed overblown? our president saidxpects the islamming republic of iran. as he points out he says this is nation of a peopl for som

centuries contributed so much in every field of human endeavor. and this is a nation of a people with deep adherence and faith to one of the world's great religions. surely deopportunities, containments that worked against the mighty soviet empire can work against iran. unfortunately our presence has conflated the enlightened forces in iran with the regressive repressive forces of this regime. even as these enlightened forces bravely rose up in the streets and challenged the regime, as the regime seemed to even blinkthere, were no vital critical words of encouragement or moral support for the leader of the free world. would that regime have buckled? we never know. but the jewish people know the power of words. we understand when ahmadinejad speaks ofsrael, a cancer that must be expunged from the middle east, we know where those words can lead and we ow those words are echoed among the highest echelons of power throughout iran. but the jewish people are no

longer a weak, stateless people. we have our own sovereign nation and leadership. surely, surely our own sovereign leadership and our own state will do whatever is necsary to defend the lives and safety and security of its citizens. if only israel can feel that assured. recently we just seen israel go through another cycle in the endless cycle of the peace process. it began in earnest towards the end of the last august as the netanyahu government announced it achieved its most important goal, it's great victory it said was its most important goal of being in office. direct talks with the palestinians, direct peace talks. while the nation of iran i fasmeated with the destruction of israel, they were perpetrated with the cruel hoax of the peace process on its people. the peace office has been the main point of light on the horizon israeli political police the right as well as left offer to the israeli nation.

it's center organizing principle for decades. the logic of the peace process holds all israel needs to so is final anything out the rye way to give up its pat tro mony, its claim to the united jerusalem, even to sovereignty over the temple now and also carve out of its tiny ways between the jordan and mediterranean another arab state f it puts a bow on this, presumably the arab world will be waiting there to receive israel in peace. but this logic has run aground against the reality of arab rejectionism time and time again. precisely the point, sa those who support and feel benjamin netanyahu was a strong leader for the state of israel. according to them, netanyahu's really going through the motions . once again israel is flying a nation without red lines in order to appease the obama administration and international community.

whether this is strong leadership or a vision for israel, i are leave as an open question. buas to whether it is the international community that has taken israel down the path, as to that queion we need to look at internal matters within the statef israel. what we will find is even the very awful process we have been speaking about bears the label made in israel, it is part of the appeasement policies of the political elites of the right as well as the left. in order to demonstrate, we will go back briefly to the onset or onslouon thesraeli people. go back to the white house famous ceremony through 17 years of self-inflicted pain, where the famous handshake takes place between then yitzhak rabin and the world's leading terrorist yasser arafat. when those two men shook hands, it was the end of another abrupt peace process in place. it began an international conference. israel held out many years to go

to an international conference knowing she would be isolated, that the deck would be stacked against her but she held out in principles. what were those principles? the principles were no two direct negotiation of thod with blood on their hands, no to arab states between the borders and against the weight of the international community, israel held out and the international community conceded to isrl. how do we get from that point to the white house lawn and the handshake? when those two hands clasped between arafat and between the prime minister of israel, this marksed the end of an order in israel and beginning of a new order. at that time a group of far left post zionists realized their time had arrived. these are a group of far left -- part of the progressive universalist movement take place throughout the world. we are feeling all israel needs to do -- it needs to negate

zionism and jewish character and by doing so become a society that can live in peace with its arab neighbors and perhaps mold into the arab world. these utopian visionaries knew that the time had come because they knew that there was an ideological void in israel. we'll talk about how they develop into a power vacuum in another moment but they seized their moment, filled that void and haveeen directing the course in the future largely of the state of israel since that time forward. they calculated that as they conducted the negotiations also in secret as the left likes to operate. they calculated the old horse on the left, rabin, would accept the principles he did on the white house lawn and also calculated the nationalists camp on right would eventually fall in line, which it did. even as the anxious nation israel turned to netanyahu to lead them away from this path, he had already adopted the principles of oslo.

and the reason is the world pressure, above all also, netanyahu snn a come sunesette politician. he understoods the power left in israel. understands how the power aligned in a raid and the fourth of any politician on the right must confront. so it is he adopted the principles of oslo, tacking his way and dragging his feet but ultimately embedding the process as he went through the first term, through the curre term, because you now he's given up the entire world play. semantic game palestinian state or not, he believes there should be a creation of a palestinian state. let's take a look at the power of the left in israel, a more closer examination. a supreme court is the fashion of zionism. a former president said everything is divisible, which means the supreme court in israel can determine whatever matters want tos to weigh in on, including the invading province of the knesset. just as an aside, shows the

aspirational quality the supreme court has for the universal's progressive movements around the world, elena hagan, obama's recent appointee to the supreme court, said that iran barack is one of heroes in jurisprudence. there's very little push back. recently the speaker of the knesset called it a sickbed and nobody in israel will argue terribly much with that. disloyal, seditious, members of the knesset and arab barack can openly subverted the state for many years. and they've had the critical vote and important legislation in israel, even including the oslo accords who was a jew legislation. two central bounds i will talk about is, one, an anemic ideology among israel's

political leets. one that lac robust for israel to exist its assertive permance in the middle east. it is this ideology that created a void. this is the power vacuum i spoke about a few moments ago, which the radical left has exploited. this could be summed up in netanyahu's political wor a place among the nation. place among the nations assume -- israel assumes their place among the nation must be a normal nation, therefore must be at pce. so, therefore, this is the central organizing principle of all governments of the right as well as the left. as israel and treats for peace dean nighs peace, continues to intrigue for peace. it becomes a downward deathward prirle in which the process is conflated with the gull and it is quite grotesque. the second failure i want to point out is the political process in israel has insulated the rulg elites from the strength of the israeli people. they have become unacceptable

and by virtue of that are more requisite in that than the power of governing. this is great energy that the left has been managing to exploit. in israepeople are handed a ballot. the pears selected who would sit into the knesset. what remeans is how many they willet by the popular vote. therefe the members of the knesset are not directly accountable to the people. they're holding to the party bosses and party chief chieftains and hacks and the poll recently showed the party system 80% feel is utterly, utterly corrupt. what can be done? we're formed in israel where districts would be arranged such as we have here in the united states where we have congressional districts, where it -- candidates buy an open contradiction can instantly revitalize the state of the nation of israel. we would see the emerging class of a new governing group, grass

roots, men, and women such as we have seen here recently and in the person of congressman alan west could rise to the floor. but it's not enough for israel merely to be a well-ordered liberal democracy. this is a very tough geography. israel must draw upon everything that it can to continue to assert its permance and survive. therefore israel must aim for a higher purpose. israel must redisver the forgotten promise of zion and israel mt reconnect with the longings and uings -- longings and aspirations of those of so many generations from the miraculous return from zion and israel must reconnect with the miraculous return in our time. it may do so bay don't ago jewish democratic constitution which grounds the tenets of judaism in everyday life but does so in the best spirit of our traditions of tolerance, freedom of thought, inquiry and debate. as this takes place arkse spiritual awakening my develop in israel, appear at jewish

international renewal and in this period of international reveal as the jewish people become self-aware, no longer will israel be nation in which its knesset and courts denigrate preseps and values but rather draw deeply from its beliefs and values and during this period of jewish international renewal, when the jewish people come self-aware, no longer will israel be nation without relines. . as israel becomes self-aware t. will understand its purpose, its destine yifment as israel undersnds its destine why, the nations of the world and israel's enemies among the nations will understand and recognize israel's permance. when israel's enemies recognize israel's permance, then there will be peace. thank you. >> next is the chief spokesperson for the government

of israel consulate in florida. he's also the special israelis programs coordinator for the university of miami. he will talk about the portrayal of israel in the american media. [applause] >> thank you very much. good afternoon. i just want to call your attention -- now i'm going to show the secret review of the speaker of the knesset that you spoke is my brother. so you should know that next time -- you're correct. he was the only one who voted as chairman against the withdrawal and just from historical point -- i did not say i agree but at least i gave you the facts. others opposed speak about the media but permit in in two,

three minutes to give you the background of myself so you can understand how the speaker of thenesset behaves himself compared to where he comes from. i'm seventh generation bor in jerusalem. our family came in 1809 to israel and last year we celebrated 200 years in jerusalem thrfmen were over 5,000 people from around the world who came to this convention. and reasons i call a levy, reasons are related to each other. and then thoughts of media we have to go from historical point of view. the media as a matter of fact loves an underdog. that's the thing that leads the

media and the news. the point is, which i want to share with you is when came first to the entire place on 1964 after i served at the army, my father was a visiting professor of n.y.u. and i want to share with you my father was the only one who translated the koran from arabic to heeb rue and other languages and only candidate to be president of the state of israel in 1957. therefore we are very close and we are very familiar with the muslim attitudes. d we have to remember that when i came here in 1964 the first time, there were only three major television shows. there was abc, cbs and nbc, for you new yorkers, you probably remember channel number 9 that showed movies 24 around the clock, the same movie every two hours. i think that was the only thing we did and we had good

correspondents. even though it took two, three days before the news came to america. the most important thing that everyone in the media that time did see the idea to spread his ideology, he felt that his position and his work is to info and to give you information but not to play as mediator and not to play to someone in your opinion to lead today. todayly tell you the trune, all honest f. i want to hear right wing, i will turn to the fox. if i want to hear the left wing, i turn to cnn. if i don't want to hear anything, i turn to channe 2 to hear good music. but that's -- this is the fact of media and let me be very -- we have people from my age, younger -- not older.

i must be the older one. and we do remember, i use the word that i don't use quite often -- sexy. as you go to the movies, 60 years ago a kiss between gary cooper and grace kelly was the headline of the movie. today, unless you're naked, you don't even sell tickets to the movie. same thing with the media. it's the same thing with television. you turn on any channel, you see -- you don't get to know if she's left wing -- i can't tell you wolf blitzer and on the other side if you go to fox, you can see right wing people and they express themselves and that's why we have to understd what's going on. the questions we want and subject is israel is affted by

this. had the preevose speaker, i want to share with you two important things. we may never again, it's never again. we are very strong people in a very strong country and don't kid yourselves. nobody can threaten us. the analyze we have that effect on. we don't get to be the appointees benjamin netanyahu, shouldered the iranian problem. eye iran is not easing the problems, folks. iran is the world's problem -- iran is not israel's problem, lks. iran is the world problem. and more than that -- and more than that if you try -- don't know how many of you heard my radio talk show "live from jerusalem" in the last 20 years from 1993 to 2003 but it occurred to the hezbollah, i

said hezbollah, israel, is an excuse. the ideology of hezbollah is the idlogy of hoe mainy. what is the ideology of khamenei? to control iran and around the middle east. look what's happening today. today syria starts to speak in the same token on peace or war. why do i say that? i do remember in 1991, hi the privilege to speak to prim minister chmiel after the gulf war. i want to share with you something which is very important for your knowledge and you tell me how much time i have every five minutes. on my radio talk show i interview alexander haig. i said to him -- and this is the media.

mr. secretary please share with us whatappened in that administration when you learned they bombed the nuclear facility in iraq. i said -- he said i want to tell you the president called for an emergency meeting and the cabinet sat in the whole office and said to h. bush, what is your opinion? he said i think it's time to punish the israelis. then he turned to caspar weinberger and said what do you think? don't be shy. he said, eve time i tape, he said, "it's time to get rid of israel." and then he came to me secretary of state alexander haigen. what is your opinion, mr. secretary? he said, i quote, alexander haig wd by word, "mr. president, before we know it we'll be on our knees to thank the lord and

to thank the israelis for what they have done. and the same sentence he continued by saying to me try to what could have happened in the gulf war in saddam hussein had a nuclear facility during the gulf war, if it had become so victorus as we came with schwarzkopf -- that's it. actor with an actor schwartzes negger. it's ok. so anyway, just want to tell you the whole thing is we have to rely on ourselves and brothers and sisters. let me say -- and i will finish soon, let me say one important thing -- israel is the frontier of the jewish people but more

than tha the jewish people are the frontier of israel. as long as we march together, we will overcome every obstacle in this world once we are united. don't let other people decide the unity between you and the israeli people. that's -- [applause] thank you. thank you. last but really not least, it's great to be here. and i'm waiting for your questions. but one thing i want to assure all of you is another thing -- we don't have to apologize before anyone and our rights and the city of david, the city of jerusalem.

and let me assure you as the one who heard it -- my great grandfather. anyone who's been to jerusalem, ise your hand, please. oh, god bless you. when you come out from the gate and you remember, you turn right, you come to zion circle, remember? you remember the right? my great grandfather in 1968 was the first one with seven settlers to build the first house outside of the old city and those same seven people went ten years later in 1878 and established the mother of sentiments, the city and four years later saw the development, came and established the two cities of the wine and visual seal and the year before that in 1881, there was a jew in paris,

a student who realized jews would come from all over the world to establish the jewish state and there's somethi that must unify them. .

their intention. they said they wanted to send a message to jews by targeting the house in a mumbai back street. with this special preoccupaon came scial cruelty.

and in other words, the terrorist ordered a desirable optional extra. the really serious business was killing jews in the city where one has to look to find any. now this is a pakistani group. territory that was once ruled by muslims today ruled by infidel hindus. what were the words of mohammed sahid who inspired th mumbai murders. he said, at this time our focus is cashmere. our struggle with the jews is always there. my question is why. this -- for him, why are the struggles always there? let alone for all time.

it seems clear to me that we are dealing with a different sort of hatred. we need to understand it. we will not treat it as simply another haed, another prejudice, another common bigotry. it has something in its tradition. the bloodline. as we knows jews have been accused of murdering gentile children in order to change their blood. we know ss absurd. and we know whole societies can ds up believing this. egyptians broadcast a dram tiization of zion. the egyptian government receives $27.1 billion a year

what happened last year when another one appeared? this time in the swedish tabloid where it was falsely claimed where jews were murdering people. the swedish government refused. instead the swedish prime minister said freedom has to be protected and at elect times he has to edit all strange contribution to debate. in order the principle freedom of speech inhis that demonizing jews.

it's a strange contribution to a be date. anin this he was inadvertantly right. it is indeed part of a debate. there is a debate as to whether or not jews are monster who stand apart from the massive human kind. and such a discussion has always by the way been the operative procedurof anti-semitic campaign. in order to treat jews as monsters to be eliminated, one must first persuade other people that they're monsters. let me tell you about the strange contributions in this debate. last year a dutch journalist insisted in the largest daily newspaper in holland that the global swine flu is part of a international conspiracy of satan-worshiping jews intent on reducing the population. last year mahmoud ahmadinejad told a u.n. conference on

racism that israel invented the holocaust for the malign purpose of extracting simply with a view to its own establishment. last year, a canadian leader, someone who you'd think would be involved with the issues facing his constituency was accused of promoting racial hatred when they said the jews are a disease that are going to take over. and a few years earlier, former tushish prime minister said that the jews decided to change the christian religion and found the protestantism. they control them too. these jews started 19 crusades. the 19th was world war i. and if you've noticed this is not a language of viciousness.

it moves on an entirety different thing. it is defamation of mythic proportions. in short, it demonizes them. now other hatreds are also cruel. however, only anti-semitism could lead a prime minister to fix sate on malign jewish forces and why? because anti-semitism is not simply another variety of racism or big tri. it's the strategy of the sort of a judeo christian legacy, it's adopted by those who are seeking to supplant it. and such of the sort requires the demonization requires the jews. unlike every other group hatred, you don't need ethnic

conflict. you don't need energy envy. you don't need competition for territory or resources that is why anti-semitism appears in countries without jews like japan. that why the tribute to supernatural powers in stupendous cmes. that's why real grievances unconnected to jews. now we need to understand that what israel does or doesn't do does not drive those who would destroy it. we also need to understand this phenomenon for which we speak very little. arab sprem schism. muslim sprem schism. i'm -- they share their goal of a return of muslim predominance.

they want to replace israel. they would never admit to quality. this is the point nor do the palestinians including all of their leaders and i'm not speaking here only of hamas which pulled article 11 of their charter for an openly murder of the jews. in january 1996 in the oslo process speaking to stockholm. he said, we intend to eliminate the state of israel and have a purely palestinian state. i have no use for jews. we need all the help we can get for ited palestine under total arab, muslim domination. and his fata co-founder the

credentialed denier of the holocaust mahmoud ahmadinejad said, in english too, repeatedly, i do not accept the jewish state. call it what you will. he has by the way incased it to the point of having it funded to $1.3 billion. no wonder that the palestinian authority inculcates jew hatred through its scrools and media. earlier this year, the p.a. television broadcast a sermon from the mosque until which the cleric declares the jews are the enemies of allah and his messenger the profit said you should fight the jews. another palestinian authority saried cleric who said in his

sermon the a os can mosque is threatened by the jews. a salaries cleric said, stated that the jews are a virus resembling aids. and yet, the palestinian authority goes further than denizing jews. it honors those who kill jews and name schools and streets after them. the obama ministration -- administration denounced the jews for wanting to build.

the leader of the terrorist in 1978 who perpetrated the massacre with 37 israelis including 12 children were slaughtered. and secretary clinton many days later provided the administrations first criticism of it, it was only to whitewash and protect them by stating it was a hamas-controlled municipality. and adding insult to injury she actually praised them for their strengthening ofaw and ord. they have had to with stand inhuman frenzy. this is the society ere they are described of being desen dents of monkeys and pigs. it turns out they congratulate

the families of the murders who committed the deeds. they heard the two israeli rervists had been taken into custody. they held their corpses where they were mutilated and their body parts handed around while the murder held his blood-stained hands. now we all look with apprehension on the revival of anti-semitism around the world. we should. all statistical records point to the rise of p anti-semitism. it's a measure of the weekness one in which moral relativism has affected people's ability to think i challenge fighting an enni in a world beholden to moral

relativism and offering political correctness. these things moral relativism, they have created a society and a media today ne which many can not see the difference of a at that build bunkers from missiles and a society that uses its civilians to shield its missiles. with an israeli humanitarian hospital part that gave her a life-saving skin craft. ey allow the safe relief and iran refused the request. in a society that cheers gleefully when 40 israeli prison guards are incinerated in the fire still raging in the slopes of mt. carmle. by the way, you see many syrian

relief there? i didn't. in a society that has israeli people work in a restaurant to poison diners. between a society in which the parliament part of the unanimous condemnation of a jewish terrorist and a jewish parliament called them out. of course, you are unlikely to find such things in your daily newspaper. but you will read of false allegation about israel using phosphorus bomb on gaza. a statement that it will be remembered after he leaves office. a good many people have heard that the lion is going to back

vegetarian. but that is the west. think of the neighbors going to lengths of knowing the truth about israel. last week they incinerated 40 israeli prison guards who had gone to save prisoners, arab and jewish. the p.l.o. put out a statement saying that of course, they move slowly because all the prisoners were only arabs. what if they were allowed to send the relief teams sixears ago to iran? they would have seen disproof the monstrous lies fed to them about israelis. the vice president was forced to reseen by saying that irians are friends of people all over the world including

israel. these thing happen all the time. he permitted the entrance of jews who in different circumstances they could be living on good terms. a small inference that humanize the human people, that was a dangerous setback by this regime which is marching towards a bomb. of all the arguments we need to make surely this has got be easiest we make before the american government and public. an armed iran is a great thing to israel. but what is not frequently mention sd that it's an enormous danger to the united states. whatever political danger they need, if diplomacy fails, it will be of nothing against the shadow of nuclear blackmail under which america will be obliged to live if iran gets such weapons. who really believes iran won't

give such weapons to terrorist? japan was opposed to surrendering. do people really believe that americans are going to fight harder than the japanese did then? what if they have a third bomb. even if iran never fires at the u.s., who really believes iran won't give such weapons to terrorists? and if given such wents, terrorists won't use them in the u.s.? what unendsing series of concessions and retreats will america have to undertake to make sure that continues. once iran gets the bomb our freedom and security here in this country will be compromised beyond anything we imagine. israel faces an unappeaseable enemy. how suckessfully we bring that message across to the america government and in the west has a big part of answering a seldom asked question if and

when we have victory over our enemies and it will certainly is a role to play how quickly if at all americas clamor to action to deal with iran before mr. ahmadinejad has his finger on the nuclear trigger. thank you. [applause] >> we are pleased to introduce helen friedman the national executive director of americas for a safe israel. helen will discuss the arab efforts to rrite jewish history in the middle east. [applause] >> thank you. it's such a pleasure to be

here. i want to thank joe kausman to participate in this very important conference. i want to say of all the speakers who have been so impressive so far, the one i guess i shouldn't say this -- that i like the most was him because he said israel is strong, israel is powerful, israel will live. it gives us courage and hope. unfortunately, when we listen to the talks about the hatred, the anti-semitism, the anti-zionism and all the rest of it and all of it is true and the threats and the horrors that we're facing are all true, still, it's wonderful to have that positive attitude of strength and growth. and israel is the miracle country. it is and by the way, i happen

to know one of those 55,000 family members, a friend of mine, yes. anyway, here we are at the pro israel conference and the name "pro-israel" is well chosen because we're all supporting israel. but people have different definitions of these words. i'm a member of americas for a safe israel. and for us when we talk about pro israel, we talk about supporting a whole israel. a whole israel, the biblical promise. of course the biblical promise is a little difficult because it didn't include jordan today and parts of syria and other parts. but still we're talking about the whole israel that was left after -- after 78% of the promised land, the mandated area was cut off and given to

jordan. but not everybody defines everytng the same way. so i am thinking about what does it mean when we talk about accepting the ladge which -- with which the arab world has indoctrinated the left-wing media. we hear about the settlements. the settlements are such a problem. we hear about the occupation, israel the occupyier. the green line. the west bank, the palestinians, the very name "palestinians requests. this is a fabrication. you even hear the israelis using that language. and of course the two state solution. so the united nations, of course, doesn't help the situation. they came out with the declaration that zionism is racism. and thenf course is

anti-semitism any different from anti-zionism? people tend to try to separate those two. we've already heard one of the speakers talk about anti-sitism but there's a brilliant harvard academic ruth reese who has recently written in commentary magazine about zionism as a movemt of self-determination, national self-determination and the belief was that the reason people hated the jews was because there were always strangers in somebody elses land. they were never the owners. so israel had its own country, its own land, people would stop hating it. well, that wasn't the case. not at all. what happened -- what happened was that -- that the -- the

hatred became even stronger. and on top of that, we had the jews who began to suffer the psyche of the abused. you know, if you've all, of course, heard psychologist speak about abused children, abused adults who are so attacked and so -- and so wounded by their abuses that they start to believe the lies that they've heard. they start to believe that they're responsible for this hatred, that they're sponsible of thehings they're accused of even though it's not true. so he blames himself. instead the jews should say, there's nothing that we can do to end anti-semitism.

it's the job of the haters. the hate others are the one who is have to change. israel concessions, construction freezes, giving up of holy places, the give away of jew diaw and samaria, tolerating, judea and samaria tolerating that and the more it gives and the more it tries to be conciliatory and negotiative and be understanding and all the rest, the more it's considers a weakling and therefore should be abused. there's been a hugely successful con job on the liberal western world. liberals are defined by their generous view of human nature.

and they insist on attributing kindness, hope, optimism, rationality to all people. however, refusing to accept that there's evil in the world perpetrated by evil people leads to an inrrect diagnose. the -- diagnosis. the disease has to be diagnosed properly. caron glick, most of you have read her sterile, you know she's created this website, latma. it's a weekly program of sator cal comedy thelp people say the absurdity of the arab claims against israel and i'm sure everybody has seen this brilliant video. the lyrics to one -- i wish i could sing it to you but i can't. i'd scare everybody away. we con the world.

we con ed the people. we'll make the world abandon reason. for facts there's no demand. we'll gain the upper hand. the truth will never find ilts way -- its way to ur tv. and when you see this -- this video played on your youtube, whatever you can -- you can pick it up on your computer at any time, all the singers are dressed with arab kassiums and so on. we know the "new york times", a reporter is somebody who i met in jerusalem. he actually sponsors trips to

israel twice a year. he actually joined us on one of our trips for the afternoon. and he went to one of the posts in samaria that we were visiting. and i was giving him my spiel and he was listening and all the rest of it. he came back. he did -- he did a huge -- a huge report on israel. he used a picture of our group that was at the head of the page, a gigantic picture of us, but he never spoke about the things that we had seen, the things that we were learning. he used it simply to talk about the fact that it could be illegal for americans to make contributions to communities over the green line in judea and samaria, none of which is true, of course. you also have something like "time" magazine. some of you recently may have

seen the front page cover story by carl vick with aig jewish star on the cover. and inside the jewish star it says, why israel doesn't care about peace. well, lots of people never get past the headlines, the cover of a magazine. why phrase it that way? unless you want to demonize and delegitimize israel? why not ask -- why do arabs reject peace? isn't the arab who are always walking away? isn't it they who are making unreasonable demands and storming off and it's always the israelis who are ready to compromise? well, it's time to just look back a little bit at israel's history. and our biblical road map. we talk about the road map.

and the road map to peace and all this nonsense. but we have a biblical road map. and those of you who go to synagogues, you know that these last few weeks, we've been reading the whole history of abraham and isaac and jacob and joseph and how we've gone -- how they traveled from one place to another. and god's pmise over and over and over and over again to abraham and isaac and jacob that this is your land and your seed will inherit this land. and we have to believe in this biblical promise. we have to believe that this is what makes us unique. it's interesting. we're very, very good partners with evangelical christians who support us. and they are always quoting the bible and always giving us these bitof information from

the bible. t jews don't do it. jews are embarrassed. it's a little embarrassing that we claim that we have a biblical right, that we are the special people, that we're chosen. sounds so arrogant. sounds so pompous. we don't want to be like that. but we're chosen to carry the torah to the world. it's a huge burden. you see whea a burden its been. look what's happened to us through the centuries, persecution and execution and suffering, untold suffering. and here we are in israel today in this magnificent country, this miraculous country. i hope all of you goat go that do go, that you see it. we go as we said, twice a year. we go to judea, to samaria, to the golan, we spend lots of

time before that community. 21 flourishing communities were destroyed up until the last minute, i couldn't believe it has happened. how could israel do such a thing to its own pple? to its own communities? to its own life blood? these are the best people, the best kids, the best everything. but it did happen. it did happen. and in any case, and this is our problem. but if we read the bibe, it tells us going hebron, badel, shillo, the author of the tabernacle rested to shillo before being take on the jerusalem. king david had his kingdom in hebron. go see the rooms that were incovered of king david's

kingdom. it's life. it's truth. these are the facts. this is the -- this is why t arabs are so interested in destroying all our archaeological findings. this is why they're on the temple mount digging out another -- another mosque underground. and when they were digging out that mosque under ground, i have no idea why the israeli government allowed that to happen. but they did. and they threw out all the artifacts th were found there that prove israel's presence there. and today when you go up to the temple mount and i hope when you go to jerusalem that you do go and if you need help in knowing who to contact how to go so you don't violate any of the religious preseptembers, i'll be very happy to give you that information.

with every group that i bring, i make it a point to go to the testimony pull mount and the jews are humiliated there. -- temple mount, and the jews are humiliated there. the jews have to stand there to the side with our pass ports. we have to submit our passports. not thcrowds of christians and others who go streaming through. but we, we have tget our passports aprufered. and a -- approved. >> and when woe do get followed we are followed by a arab representative to make sure we don't mo our lips so that we're not praying. jews are not allowed to pray. and we also have an israeli policeman who also watches to make sure that this arab vule enforced. these are things that defy

understanding in a sovereign jewish state. why such a situation exists but it exists. and these are some ofhe things that have to be remedied. so in any case we have -- we have the grave of rachel. tavaroco. she is the only one that's not buried in hebron. she died in bethlehem giving birth to benjamin. have you seen this grave that used to be like a little mound on the side of the road? it's a fortress. it's a fortress today in bethlehem because you cannot go into bethlehem anymore. arabs are in bethlehem. they've thrown out the christian arabs. there are only muslim arab there is and it's a very unsafe environment for jews. so in any case, this is -- and

all these holy places, the temple mount, all these places are being claimed by arab that this is their -- these are their holy sights and the evil has compounded by the fac that unesko, the united nations economic, social, cultural organization supports these claims. o i don't have to tell you about the united nations. ok. so it takes a house of representatives solution number 1734 where over 30 co-sponsors to attempt to stop the revision of history by opposing unilateral declaration by a p.a. state. the arabs are saying, we don't recognize you. we'rnot going to declare a state.

so we'll do it unilaterally. and brazil, arch tina and your gahave already declared recognition. 1917, the bellcore declaration establishing palestine as a natural home for jewish people. 1920, the british mandate over palestine. 78% of palestine gets chopped off and israel is left with 22%. 1929, and if you want to see what the effect of those begrons were, go to the museum. see the pictures there. see the history. 1936 to 1938, more than 500 jews murdered. 47 the u.s. partition plan which cut off that 22% into 10%.

and still, still israel accepted it because israel is so grateful to have anything. but the arabs went to war. the arabs went to war and when they went to war before they went to war, they told their people run away. there were probably 700,000 arabs in israel at the time. they were told run away while we resolve this war. and then you'll come back as soon as we get rid of this muttly army of holocaust survivor jews that are left here. and so they did run away. at the same time that that number left, one million jews from arab countries were forced to leave their homes, their possessions, their wealth behind, and they became

refugees. well, you know the story of the arab refugees today, they are still -- now they're not just 500,000. now the claim is tha there are 5 million onrefugees. 5 million who have to come back to israel. thank you. and -- and what happened to the jewish refugees? are they in camps? is there a u.n. organization taking care of them? providing for them? up until the up teent generation? no, i'm runningout of time and i see that cornl west has arrived -- colonel west as arrived. i just want to finish a statement that wasade by rav

meyakahanah. he was killed in 1990. this was 1988 or 1989 that he sade this. he says -- he asked the question are we normal? is it normal to attack one's own citizens? is it normal to subject jews to laws, demands, restrictions and prohibitions that are totally disregarded by the arabs? is it normal to sew fear, arab riots and world condemnation that we tighten a noose around our own jewish people struggling to hold on to the land of israel whi we ignore the ovocation of the arabs? the bottom line faith in the god of israel and a powerful jewish army are the only guarantors of jewish survival. let us not fear the world, far better a jewish state that

survives and is hated by the world than an auschwitzhat brings us love and sympathy. thank you. [applause] >> our last speaker but certainly not least, this is personal congressman curnl west, joe kauffman, the chairman of americas against ha and the founder of young zionist. he a lecturer and a journalist for "front page" magazine. he will speak on fata and other terroris organizations. [applause] >> i first want to thrank all of you for attending our

florida pro-israel conference 2010. i hope for you it has been an enjoyable and educational experience. i applauour panel of speakers. and i want to thank c-span for bringing this event to the national public making what we say up here all the more important. [applae] >> our message to the nation needs not only to be heard but to be acted upon. words have little meaning where there are no actions attached to them. and without actions, there can be no results. last april, my wife, family and i took a month-long tour of israel. we went from one side of streel the other. and within that oh so short distance we saw everything in between and much of what we saw

was awe-inspiring. we saw magnificent water falls in angetti. we stood inside the fortresses in at masadah. we went on camel back by day and by jeep during the night. we walked amongst the mystical stones of spat. we gazed across what seemed to be the never ending knesset. i looked up at the sky as i tohed and kissed the wailing wall in jerusalem, israel is truly a beautiful country. and it's easy to get caught up in that beauty. that is until you are brought back down to the reality ofhe threat the tiny nation faces. most everywhere you go, there are teenagers, young jewish boys and girls dressed in combat fatigues, many with rifles in hands with their fingertips on the trigger. at checkpoints leading towards nations that israel supposedly

had peaceful relations with, you receive warnings that if u pass, you go at your own risk. israel is surrounded by enemies and some othem are only separated from israel by a fence or a wall. most palestinians are controlled by one of two organizations. in gaza, it is hamas. the muslim brotherhood created group which sprang from the violence of the first intifada of 1987. and in the west bank were more properly judea and samaria, it is fata al watani the main branch of the palestine organization. or p.l.o. few in the west will dispute that hamas is a terrorist organization. the group has been involved in

countless terrorist attacks including a number of suicide bombings, at least one of which on benyahudah street almost took the life of my wife. hamas has a charter within which the group no uncertain terms calls if for destruction of israel. hamas clearly is a terrorist organization and no one except the most blind ofhe blind expects the group be a peace maker. but while hamas is being portrayed and rightly so as the antithesis to peace, they are hailed as moderate and peaceful. i am here to say that fata is none of the above. as we speak, and i checked this -- checked on this this morning to be sure, fata has on its official website in arabic, it's official charter and like

hamas, fata's charter call first the destruction of vale. it states, this is right off their sight. article 19 of the fata, rules and procedure. quote, the fight will not stop until the elimination of the zionist entity and the liberation of palestine, end quote. i'm holding a screen shot they just obtained this morning with article 19 from the actual web page. independent only takes two clicks to get to it from the fata home page. you may ask me, joe, isn't this the same fata who the white house is courting to make peace with israel? who's lead ter ahmadinejad has been seen shaking hands with the prime minister of israel? yes. that's the same fata that i speak of. unfortunately, both the leadership of the united states

and the leadership of israel ignore directives that their own respective governments have put out regarding fatah. the israel ministry of foreign afars outright called fatah a terrorist organization. they said, fatah is a terrorist organization as defined in the presention of terrorist ordinance end quote. just so you know the ordinance provides the israeli government specific measures when dealing with terrorists and when protecting the security of its citizens and has been in place for the past six decades. with regards to the united states, one has to do some research to find the terrorist designation of fatah. first and foremost, in decemr 1987, then president ronald reagan signed into law the

anti-terrorism act of 1987. it states quote, the congress determines that the p.l.o. and its affiliates are a terrorist organization and a threat to the interest of the united states its allies and to international law and should not benefit from operating in the united states, ends quote. it further states that the p.l.o. has bn implicated in the murder of americans overseas. when the acted says the p.l.o. and its affiliates, you must derstand that fatah is the main affiliate of the p.l.o. indeed, the president of fatah, ahmadinejad is also the president of the p.l.o. the 1987 anti-terrorism act is still law today. let me repeat that because it is of the utmost in importance. the 1987 terrorism act calling thp.l.o. and its affiliates a

terrorist organization is still law today. you ask joe, if that's so, if the u.s. government recognizes the p.l.o. and fatah as terrorist organizations and the anti-terrorism act is still the law today, then how is mahmoud abbas able tcome to the white house? and how is the p.l.o. able to have an office only less than two miles from the white house? simple because president barack obama and president george w. bush before him and president bill clinton before him signed presidential waivers every six months to circumvent the law. so this past october when secretary of state hillary clinton is the keynote speaker at the annual conference for the american task force on paless stein -- paless stein an

event which featured main araquad she has not quams about doing it. indeed she had a huge smile as she took the podium with the president of the tk force beside her. here's secretary clinton and her smile. and here's salae looking on. shame on you, hillary. shame on you. [applause] >> the task force itself is connected to the p.l.o. the founding president is none other than the former p.l.o. spokesman rasheed kalidi. you may have heard of him. his name came up a lot during

barack oba's campaign for president. their website even has a photo of ahmadinejad alo with a wink to the website contains the p.l.o. logo atop it. the american force on palestine appears to be little more than a front for the p.l.o. another example of the united states define fatah as a terrorist group is found in the u.s. list of foreign terrorist organizations or f.t.o's. on the list is shown the main power military group of fatah, the al oxar mortar list. there are those inside the government and outside who wish to draw distinction between fatah and a.m.d. they like to use the term loose

connection to describe the two groups' relationship. the reality is that fatah and a.m.b. today are one and the same. in the past a.m.b. had its own official website. in fact, it had two sites. today those sites are gone. now a.m.b. only uses the fatah official website as its official site. a.m.b. using the fatah site to post its terrorism commuques and all of them are signed by a.m.b. the quote military wing of fatah. the big question we must ask ourselves is why. why would our government attempt to hide law to help terrorist organization? and really hide is the correct term as the last sixth month waiver was not released to the public. that is not until i got ahold

of it through someone in the state department. now it's up in our america's against hate website. and here's a copy of it. [applause] >> what's interesting about the waiver is that it was not signed by the u.s. president as all since bill clinton have been. the latest one was signed by hillary clinton's secretary, james b. steinberg. it was signed less than two weeks prior to hillary's appearance. conspiracy theories aside, the state department shoulat least answer tooze why it did not release the document publicly and why it did not bear president obama's sinature. but getting back to our question, why would our government want to sur couple vent the law when it knows

fatah is a terrorist organization? do we really believe that osama is not going to target us if we force this upon israel? do we think that the palestinians will all of a sunday lay down their arms when their next generation has been ruined by its community's violent nay -- hatred against the jews? i guess the answer is in the question itself, this obsession like so many others is irrashenal. -- irrational. it defies common sense. if you want peace, you have to do it with someone who wants peace, not with someone who wishes to destroy you. [applause] >> that should be obvious. you will never have peace with

someone who wants to destroy you, period. now if i may, i'd like a moment to speak to those in power. after all, it's not every day that i get this national forum to say what's on my mind. again, thank you, c-span. for those of you who view israel as merely a pawn, no re than a 51st state, let me tell you, you are making a terrible mistake. israel is anlly and a friend of america and should be treated as such. [applause] >> when you sit down to dialogue and have tea with israel's enemies, you've placed israel in danger. and when you place israel in danger, you place our own nation, your own nation in danger because israel's enemies

are our enemies. [applause] >> let me repeat that -- israel's enemies are our enemies. and as so many understand, as goes understand, so goes america. and like the good book says quote those who bless israel shall be blessed, and thoseho curse israel shall be cursed. [applause] >> thank you. thank you so much for attending this conference. i think it is time now to honor a war hero. [applause]

>> congressman alan west -- >> he left. >> congressmen and elect allen west is one of the most amazing individuals i have ever had the pleasure of meeting. is intelligent, articulate, and has all the qualities to make a real leader. when you stand next to him, you know you were standing next to greatness. in march 2008, i was honored to have then lieutenant-colonel allen west to speak at our americans against hate demonstration, against care, and hamas related group that was holdg its annual banquet at the broward county convention center. as colonel west spoke, some of the care operatives gathered to greet him with jeers, attempting

to shuout him down. colonel west cannot be stopped, which should come to be expected from a war hero on the battlefield who saved countless troops' lives. [applause] congressman west, you honored our group then, and today it is our turn to honor you. congressman west, i would like to now present you with our americans against hate and young zionist protector of zion award. [applause]

>> well, thank you so much for that introduction, joe. it is hard to believe you talking about a simple person like myself. the battali that i command it, we had a great model. it said, duty, not reward. i want people to understand, never thand me for doing that which is right and that which will make sure that we protect our country and we protect our best and most favored ally in the middle east, which of course it is israel. [applause] but as i stand here today, i have to tell you, the rev. o'neal just came man and i just finished speaking at his church is 25th anniversary. that is a great man, too.

[alause] but i must tell you, as i get read to prepare to go up to washington, d.c., and i will be moving up there on december 25 -- and i am not sleeping in my office, folks, no way. i have had enough of that hard living. but we are at a such a critical and decisive point, for the future and legacy of not just the united states and israel, but for what happens with western civilization. what happens to that bright and shining light that talks about the individual, the bright and shining light that talks about the freedom of conscience, what happens to the bright and shing light that talks about the rule of law all across our great world. if we lose that aspect of what separates us from the autocrats, e dictators, the despots, and the theocrats on the opposite side, we go into a new dark

ages. we have to ask ourselves, what are we leaving to our children and grandchildren? we think about the great sacrifices of men such as my father in world war ii and korea, vietnam, the sacrifices right now, to be out there on freedoms ramparts so that we can sit here in liberty ensure these ideas and talk freely about the future and legacy of israel and america and the world. there is a fantastic quote that gail shares with other people, and this comes home when we talk about this issue. there is no need to take all of th academic and historical perspectives. i want to talk from the heart. when tolerance becomes a one-way street, it leads to cultural suicide. that is where we are. if we are not willing to stand out and call a certain wrong wrong, if we're not willing to stand up and identify who t enemy is, when we have a

national security strategy that talks more about global warming and islamic extremism, muslim terrorism, islamic terrorism, when we're talking about overseas contingency operations and man-made disasters, something is wrong. we are upside-down. when we don't want to say there is a group of individuals out there who are the antithesis of that we are and what we stand for and what we believe then, but yet we want to continue to make our way of life self- serving, we have the recalcitrants, we have a fear, we have something that is keeping us, holding us back from saying that there is nothing wrong with standing upon a judeo-christian fate care takes it in the united states, israel, all of western civilization. i[applause] i think first and foremost what we must do is move forward.

you can definitely count on me to be this voice. [applause] thank you. we have got to recognize who the enemy is. my fear is that right now we are standing in it an 1930's moment, where we believe we can compromise and negotiate and appease people who mean to kill you can harm you. when i sit back and i hear so often everybody talked about, well, it is just the taliban, just al qaeda, it is such a narrow focus, that would be just the same as if the united states of america went to war and said we're only going to go fight the second platoon of charlie company of the enemy. nations have to understand and recognize what is that is fuling the enemy that we are finding ourselves against. what are their goals and objectives? before al qaeda came along, the no. 1 terrorist groups that had killed most americans was

hezbollah. we cannot stop recognizing them. it would not recognize the fact we are sending money into the gaza strip a it is controlled by a known terrorist organization which is hamas. we made a terrible mistake, the shop of iran may n have been the most perfect gentleman, but when we did not support him and we allow the ayatollah khamenei to take over power, we created the problems we see now. we created the resurgence of an islamic totalitarianism which is in that nature. we have to understand that, true enough, we don't need to say it is every muslim. but there is a core group of individuals that if we're not careful, they could easily destroy this country. i had an interview last week with a reporter who said, don't you think you are giving them too much credit? giving them too much props or

something like that? a said simply, amid talk to you about numbers. 19eople killed 3000 people on 9/11. one person killed 13 american soldiers and wounded another 30. one person, if he had not been caught, cod have killed countless individuals in portland, ore., at a christmas celebration. those are the odds. i will not discount the one sees it or to seize, because those are the numbers that can affect things. he looked at what happened in iraq but the car bombing. don't need to talk about what happened overseas, we don't need to talk about what happens in other areas. if i did not pronounced that right, remember i am from georgia. but when i go there and i see the young children who are shellshocked, when i see the playgrounds that have bomb shelters next to them, why?

why is that happening? and that story is not getting out? after you recognize an enemy, the other thing we have to do is we have to win this information operationsar. because when that whole gaza flotilla tape came out, i was sitting with my wife and i said, angela, those guys have paid all guns on their backs, but nobody understood that. they had to use their personal side arms to defend themselves. we are giving the enemy every opportunity that we can, just the same as in iraq and afghanistan with our soldiers. the rules of engagement gives the enemy the initiative of your soldiers. -- over our soldiers. we have to once again put our message out that says, we stand for freedom. but our message out that says it is not us who are killing just as many moslems as are the terrorists. it is not us going into schools headmaster's.ating

it is not us out throwing acid on young girls or gunning them down. it is not us who are shooting rockets and msiles from land that we continue to see over and the hopes of peace. iladies and gentlemen, the time is coming where we must all stand upon a conviction. it as my mom said, a man must stand for something or else he will fall for anything, and right now we are falling. we arealng to the point where what happens when that whole thing about mutually assured destruction theory goes out the window? that is what we operate with with the soviet union, but that is not a viable solution if iran gets a nuclear device. when mahmoud ahmadejad goes to levitan, he faces towards israel and says we stand for the destruction o the zionist state. what more do you need? what more evidence do you need?

there comes a time when it's somebody continues to put me in the chest, you must understand that you have to take that seriously. it reminds me of when theo van gogh, it was a filmmaker, was heard saying as he was stabbed repeatedly to death to his assailant, can't we just talked about this? i don't know about you, but when somebody is driving a knife into my chest, i think the whole course of action of let's have intellectual discourse is over. but yet on a grander scale, that is what we are allowing. u look all across europe, t anti-semitism, he but what is going on in london, there is a youtube video where we see writing islamists chasing with a british police. in sweden, what was once a thriving jewish community has dwindled down tobout 500. people are free to walk around

with their yarmulkes us. people are afraid to profess their jewish faith in europe. this is where we are in our country. if you go back and study history, for the jewish people, you were driven out of your homeland. you were driven off the arabian peninsula. you were driven because of the horrors of the acquisition out of spain. you were driven out of eastern europe. you withstood the holocaust. we finally said that we would return the jewish people back to their homeland, and immediately, after may of 1948, you were attacked. when does the time come when we y, enough is enough? [applause]

it is very simple, where he go after israel? the u come to the united states of america? because the clock is ticking here as well. that is the challenge that we have. we can sit around and talk about all of the things with our economic situation, and we can fix our economic situation. we can get americans back to work. that is not an issue. but even once we recreate economic prosperity in this country, all of the great technological advancements, all of the biotech advancements, all the beauty in israel, if you cannot have safety, if you cannot identify your enemy, if he cannot stand up to that threat, then it is all for naught. if you are held hostage within your own boundaries, it is all for naught. in accepting this award, i tell you one simple thing -- its my duty to stand up to defend

israel. [applause] thank you. it is my duty to do that. because when you are a young man growing up in the inner city of atlanta, ga., on sunday mornings going up to the methodist church for sunday school and you read all of the great stories from the old testament, you become one with that land. when finally in december of last year this exact same time frame, i had my rst trip to the holy land and i saw the history and i stood there upon the ground. and i realized as i have told so many of you, what was said there

was, give me liberty or give me death, which is the exact same thing that patrick henry said here in the net states of america. in defending israel, i am a staunch defender of my and your united states of america, from heads and forevermore. god bless you all. thank you for this great award and thank you all. [applause]

>> don't leave, we're going to have the r q& ata. -- don't leave, we're going to have our questions and answers. >> any questions for any of the panel members? >> colonel, my name is dave mcchrystal, congratulations. >> happy hanukkah. >> one thing that was not mentioned which is startling to me is the recent threat emanating from venezuela, under

the auspices of hugo job as. -- under the auspices of hugo chavez. what is your perspective approach once you are in washington, d.c., to handle that threat? >> we will find out by committee assignments within the next week or so. my number one choice is armed services committee. my second choice was armed services committee. your right, one of the things we found out not too long ago was the direct frights -- the direct flights, there are no passengers on those flights. there is a new 21 -- 21st century access forming. when you understand what is happening and venezuela and the terrorist training camps in south america, the fact the ortega brothers are back in charge in central america, which is a pipeline.

i was doing reading on the web where we have al qda and has blood in cahoots with the mexican drug lords, funneling individuals across our southern border. i think it was about four months ago, there was one of these little tnsition camps along our southern border where they were finding their career rs and dictionarieshat translate arabic to spanish to english. we already know we are losing track of individuals coming here. there is a category called other that mexicans. these are people of middle eastern descent coming into our country. there is a huge threat. i think what we need to be able to do is something we dinot do it after the collapse of the soviet union. after the collapse, we said, we don't need this big standing military. nobody sat around and thought what is the world going to look like now that this board polar structure -- this bible the

structure is gone. in cutting the military, now we have a militarthat is stretched thin, soldiers on their fifth pore overseas, and the contingency operations against various different reats increasing. north korea, iran, afghanistan, iraq, yemen, somalia, the horn of africa, all the way down to south america. we have to go back into a threat based analysis and have to get away from this occupation and nation building style of warfare. the number-one thing we have to do with his enemy is deny him a century. we have to win the information war, cut off his flow of men, material, and financing support, and then we have to court and him off to keep them from being able to infiltrate -- we have to cordon him off.

if you study the 21st century history of the u.s., since the korean war, we always win at the tactical level, would lose at the strategic level. i think that as the problem we're having. >> anyone, before we take this next question, please have your parking validated before you leave. >> joe, this coming week, there is a fund-raiser. we talk about that? >> there is an individual named george galloway, an english individual. he has recently raised money for the terrorist organization hamas. he has openly admitted to this. he has given over this money to hamas and the videotaped it.

he is coming to pop the no beach, the islamic center in south florida, -- pomp and no beach, the islamic center, in south florida, which has terrorist ties, including the fact be imam has called america the enemy. anyway, did i answer that question? if you want to be involved, please see me about protesting. question. a joining for 30 years, jonathan pollard has languished in american jail. he is america's strongest allies, and he gave israel information that israel should have been given by the government itself. thank you. >> it is funny, i have studied

that. we had a little maxim we operated on it on the inner city streets, no blood, no foul. i am trying to understand if somebody is doing something for an ally of ours, and i think he is definitely served plenty of time to be released. let me tell you, the lockerbie bomber -- if we can release the lockerbie bombing, what is up with jonathan pollard? this is a bigger issue, if i can. yes, iupport looking at this issue with jonathan pollard. we are treating terrorists like americans and treating terrorists like americans. it -- we are treating americans like terrorists and treating terrorists like americans.

when we have 10 soldiers sitting in for leavenworth accusing them of premeditated murder on the battlefield, theilitary trunal worked ok for them. why can't the military tribunal work ok for these non state, nonbelligerent, nine u.s. citizens that enacted terrorism against our country -- non-u.s. citizens that enacted terrorism against our country? >> i think this is the first thing on the list of the israeli government, to release jonathan pollard. it with every human person in this world to release jonathan pollard after 25 years. i beg your pardon? three years ago, during the military operation, there was

the thought of releasing shareef, but then they heard there might be a bombing around him. i think it is the obligation as well, and our duty, to make sure that he will be back as soon as possible. [applause] >> first of all, thank you. you say things like nobody else can. it is incredible. and you don't need a teleprompter. [applause] i am surprised you were not already in congress, because you could have given him a run for

his money and you would hav won. about three years ago i brought up the issue of venezuela. i was there, i knew about those flights. now have another one. probably the first time anybody will hear about this. we have the infiltration of has blood and mexico. we have problems at our southern borders. on all of our collegeampuses, we have an organization. the mexicans do not accept the treaty of guadalupe hidalgo, and whatever precedent was set for israel will be repeated by the world community that will insist that we surrender the southwestern united states to those who claim it. i would like to know what we're going to do to prevent that.

arnold weinstein wrote an article in 2003, published in israel, about palestine. >> you kind of catch me unawares, but we will not surrender new mexico, arizona, anything like that. but will tell you this, they're making a lot of it to nation's about doing such things -- they're makg a lot of intimations about doing such things, especially with the dream act. there is an effort out to undermine this country. once again, republicans about the rule of law. if you go to the constitution, there are three different places where theonstitution talks about the responsibilities of the federal government and the responsibilities of the state to protect itself in cases of

eminent danger without the lead. article one, section 8 talks about the responsibility being to repel invasion. when somebody is coming across your border, they're not invited, they are not a citizen, that is an invasion. it talks about the responsibilities of the state in the event the federal government does not own up to their responsibilities. article 4, section 4, talks about the federal government's responsibilities to protect the state in case of danger. let me tell you something, if you start to read and look at what is happening south of the border, is starting to look like iraq or afghanistan. you have roadside bombs, the headings, mass graves, those guys are not learning those tactics by looking at the simpson's on fox every sunday night. ithere is something that has infiltraed new mexico. be very careful, if these tactics come across our border.

because remember, we have law enforcement officers who have bounties on their heads and some of the southwestern states. -- in some of the southwestern states. >> i just want to say this has been an incredible panel, all six if you. [applause] i think everybody here shares that. my question is a tough one. >> give me an easy one. [laughter] >> why? the challenge. a month ago, my wife and i were at the chamber of congress and we heard mr. baker, the representative of mr. netanyahu, the press secretary, and i ask him these questions. i see the look on your face. you are already worried.

[laughter] basically, i want to know why do we have to keep giving back the land? [applause] madit fromn't more the israeli side of the horrie way that mr. netanyahu was treated in the white house back in march of this year? [applause] >> first of all, i am very proud of the israeli democracy. of government, you have to fulfill when y agree to something. it is always in democracy a continuation that you can maneuver. that is how i come to the podium. israel 50 years ago was the world champions in,

unfortunately, car accidents. you remeer that? until somebody came up with a smart slocan that said, don't be right, be smart. you come to the intersection and you know you are right, you have the right to cross. look to your left and right, but they should not imagine the stupid drivers. so take theasy, be smart. we have to speak about advisers. i want to show you the meaning of the smartest, and then we will understand why sometimes people look on the other side even though they are allies. make it clear, israel is an ally of the that the states, and the united states is an ally of israel, and we shall survive.

10 months ago, believe me, i belong from center to the right, not from center to the wrong -- i mean to the left. but thank god i am in the middle. let's take for example 10 months ago, a vice-president comes to jerusalem. it -- by president joe biden comes to israel. the you or i or any shoe have to make an announcement to iael? when you want to build build in jerusalem, but did not make announcements. it be smart, don't be right. this is the message. in policy, you have to be smart enough not to come to obstacles like the white house, because we did not invade to assault

people. we did that in the past and ople doing to us. we have to know how to rid maneuver in the right way. it -- we have to know how to maneuver in the right way. i think three portions, civilize the entire portion of the jewish people. first of all, god is the owner of the world and we make the choice -- he made the choice of where the jews will be. second is go from your land in your father's home to the point where i show you. that was it is real. the third was very smart. what does it say? we have to learn from that.

he saw him from the window and a very friendly and happy way. she did not like it. she called him and and said, get rid of your mistress and your son. since then, what god told him, i adopted. what did he say? whatever your wife tells you, obey. i don't have any problems with that. what did he see with his answer to our future? she realizes that we cannot have the two nations together. she realized the good thing was it was only two people. now we are dealing with 3 million people, and therefore we have to be smart.

we should never forget our bible, the good advice, and we should think about how to solve the future of our children and grandchildren. thank you. [applause] >> i just want to said, in my speech, i mentioned this terrorism prevention. this ordinance was created 60 years ago. it was the latest version in 1993, but it is still a law. according to the israel ministry of foreign affairs, a state on their website that fatah is a terrorist ordinance. unfortunately, the israeli , i am sorry, but they ignored this ordinance, the same way that the united states government ignores the other act

i mentioned to you, the anti- terrorism act of 1987 which called the plo a terrorist organization. if all they have to do is say, hey, the terrorist coronets that is protecting our israeli citizens, through that fatah is a terrorist organizatio why should we give any land to a terrorist organization? why should we create a terrorist state at all? stood thr ground and listen to their own rules, just like we should stand our ground and listen to our own rules, we would be a much better place to live. [applause] >> i promised i would not ask another question, but today, this group and the speakers have said great things. not me tell you why i think it is all very blessed. but in new york, crown heights,

darrius 770 eastern parkway -- there is 770 eastern parkway, of which we are members. today, according to the website that we all follow, many of us, it is exactly 770 days before the end of the obama administration. [applause] >> colonel was, first, congratulations, and also, thank you for the hope and inspiration -- colonel west. years ago, when things seemed dire, it told us about the water dropping on the rock. it does not media, get on to your television set. with this mainstream media, it is very difficult. my question is, it is my belief the only way to expose to the american citizens real danger of jihad in america and the infiltration they have made all

across america, the only way to expose it and leapfrog the mainstream media would be with a full blown public congressional hearing. they had it for roger clemens and steroids. can we not have a full-blown congressional hearing on jihad and the extent to which it has infiltrate the united states of america? >> one of the things we will return in the 112th congress is the art of inquiry, and we will have those oversight hearings. we have to start asking the tough questions about what is gog on in the united stat. your right about that. no more stephen colbert, no more roger clemens. we have to get back to what we should be doing in our committees with those hearings. >> i am jeremy, from jerusalem.

joe, you have put on a spectacular conference. god bless you for your eat work. [applause] in israel, i have a television show and i am bringing it to fort lauderdale. january 18. i just came from reserve duty, and my tour of duty was on the gaza, egypt, israeli border. every time we went on patrol, we had a medical staff and helicopter on patrol. as we would find people tryin to come into israel, many of them would be dehydrated and with bullet wounds because the egyptian port of call is if you see them try to -- egyptian protocol is if you see them try to cross the border, they should be immediately shot. there have been almost 30 condemnations against israel. not one against hamas.

israel called its helicopters to bring them to our hospital, but the world does not know about that. isn't that fantastic? the world does not hear that we are the light of human rights in the middle east. question for you, congressman west, what can the american leership do to bring the truth abouisrael to america? >> you must recognize that information but it is part of you national power. there are four elements. how many people here have a cell phone? how many people here have a blackberry? how many people here have a computer? everybody here is a media source. everybody here to help get a message out. what you just talked about, if you put it out to an email list,

it just goes a fire road. i am telling you also, we have to do this type of things in congress to bring the truth out to the american people. let me tell you, we cannot sit back and wait for a certain media to take this as their mantel. we have to do it ourselves. that is the great thing about the 21st century, the information and technology out there. we have to get the story out and get promulgated all across not just israel and the u.s. but across the world. i know everyone says, congressman elect west, what are you going to do, but help me out by getting the message out as well. [applause] >> congressman? >> should i just stay? [laughter] >> this deals with israel and the united states. >> would we not make a good wwe

tag team? >> congressmen, as our constitution states, why do we care what mexico thinks about the guadalupe hidalgo treaty? we won the war and we should on the territory down to mexico city, if they want to play the game of attrition. we have to start following our own rules, following our constition, and not caring what the rest of the world does or says about what we do within the united states. and for israel, what is the problem with you building settlements in your territory? it is like everybody is allowing to dictate to israel what they should do, and the united states what we should do, and i wt to know what you plan to do in your bodies of congress, in your nations, to tell the rest of the world what they could do with their opinion and get back to the business of the united

states. because that is what i want to have when i join you. >> first of all, let me help the ambassador bridge and >> no, no, no. >> it is not about building cells, it is about building homes. we should not dictate to any soveren state where they build homes. in the u.s., we have forgotten we are exceptional nation, exceptional people, and we have this apologist atmosphere coming out of washington, d.c., right now. look across any country, there are blips on the radar of what they have done, but one thing that a simple and clear, people are still coming to the united states of america because of freedom and liberty and that is what we need to be talking about. we also need to tell the other countries there is no other nation that is greater than the united states of america on the face of the earth right now. we're that shining city that's it's upon the hill.

mexico needs to take care of a lot of their issues. if they keep running their mouth too much, maybe we ought to look at all the foreign aid that we're sending to mexico that is falling in the hands of the ong people. [applause] >> if you remember what a said before, don't be right, not be smart sometimes. -- if you remember what i said before, don't be right, be smart sometimes. let me be clear, 10 months ago, the prime minister of israel agreed to free the settlement. that is not a question that he had to debate that time. the point is that once the israeli government agrees to do something, they have to implement that. we're talking about media, we're talking about how we transfer

things. it is not sexy to show things. the point is that the government made that decision 10 months ago. now, but as we say, the media, they don't care about 10 days ago. ly the last 48 hours. why can't you know? if you remembe the big picture with the young boy with his father and a big is really tanked -- eight israeli tank.

that is sexy, you can sell that. first of all, it was proven that the sdier could not have shot this bullet. the palestinian sacrifice this boy to make headlines with the media, but they succeeded. they succeeded,nd the point is how to lead in a way that we should succeed. in the headlines, the last three months, the headline of everyone was will they freeze the settlement or not? the question was for two months. historically, we do not agree for 24 hours, but politically, be smart, don't be right. >> good evening. i am the co-founder of a

foundation, aer my late son was killed in a suicide bombing in tel aviv. first of all, you all look alike, and you are right, one of your cousins was my teacher. i am seventh generation from israel, from jerusalem. [applause] one of your cousins was my teacher. >> who wish your teacher? >> i don't remember his first time, but his last name was the same. very good. >> he was 95 years old. >> the younger cousin. [laughter] in any