something. that is what kids should learn from school. so the classroom should reflect that in terms of knowledge and in terms of self discipline and order. i think he is on to something. there has to be more order and self discipline on the part of students. that is something that parents need to import on schools -- on students. host: jack jennings from the center of education policy. this is the web address againce. p-dc.org. thank you. i appreciate your calls as well today. we will have several live events today regarding the weekend shootings in arizona begin about an hour from now when president obama and the first fight will observe a moment of silence to honor the victims of the shooting.

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a public service. >> this is a look outside the office of gabrielle giffords. this is the along north house office building, one of the three house office buildings in the capital complex. earlier today, visitors have been by but throughout the weekend, dropping off their condolences to the staff and office of gabrielle giffords. we will continue to take your reaction to the shootings over the weekend. your phone calls and your facebook buddies, your twitter comments as well. here are the phone numbers.

a plan for the next hour is to take your phone calls and show comments from elsewhere with a reminder that the schedule so far today looks like at 11:00, we will take you live to the white house. president obama and mrs. obama are leading a moment of silence for the 14 -- the 20 victims including the six who were killed in the shootings over the weekend at the white house at 11:00 eastern. we will take you there live and it is possible we will see a news conference in tucson at the university medical center. no confirmation yet but if that happens, we will take you there live as well. later this afternoon at 3:45, it is the arizona state of the state speech, the legislature comes in and jan brewer, the governor will speak to the legislature and make our state of the state address at 3:45 eastern. let's go to phone calls from

raleigh, n.c., on our independent line. >> thank you for taking my call. caller: any time the political rhetoric gets to this kind of level, it inspires people that may be on the edge of society and mental health to commit these things. people may not recall but george wallace predicted this before his own assassination. a tent in maryland. -- attempt in maryland. it is a reliable prediction when the speech gets so inflammatory that we can expect people like this to come out and do things like this. host: the suspect will be arraigned today on five federal counts. we have a link to some of those counts of our website at c- span.org. it tells all -- it is also link

to the house page of gabrielle giffords. her husband, mark kelly, has posted a statement from her family. let's go next to san diego, on our democrats line. caller: i feel that this situation has the marks of a frameup. they have another 50-year-old man in the background, a handler, who was instantly released and then they have, all of a sudden, a confession, a very strange-sounding confession locked up and make safe. they instantly apprehend the subject and he is not mentally ill and not that he does not know not to speak. there has been a long list of activities like this including the underwear bomber who had an escort and that young man in oregon. who i think was inside and friends to do this.

>host: this suspect was apprehended in the act. caller: i don't know that. i did not see it on tv. this is just what they are putting out there. host: here next from gladstone, mich., a republican . caller: i think it was pretty predictable. the minute i heard this, i thought," oh, gosh, we will see a big push to blame." the more i read about this and the fact that some of his favorite books were the communist manifesto and different things -- i have watched interviews of teachers who were afraid of the guide. he was a little bit out there. since 10th grade. he appears to be someone who was farther left than the congresswoman. i think there was a post that

was scrubbed. some of the people were upset for not voting for nafta policy. she may have been hit because she was not left enough. host: was she one of the ones that did not vote for nancy pelosi? caller: she was. she did not vote for nancy pelosi. it appears this guy was a pretty far left guy and i think he took that out host: on: let's go to annapolis, maryland, are independent line. caller: i know there is a lot of interest in laying blame for this. more important than saying if he was liberal or conservative it is to look at his posts and see whether that resonates with anything that we hear currently. certainly, there is inflamed rhetoric by all political persuasions. the point is to condemn that.

i am proud of the tea party for coming out and saying that political discourse should not lead to violence. host: go on with your statement. caller: i am in my car. my point is to condemn hateful violent political rhetoric and a matter where it comes from. that is the point rather than saying whether this guy was liberal or conservative. we recognize hateful rhetoric when we hear it and we should condemn it no matter which comes from. host: this is what we are anticipating in terms of the schedule on this monday. of the 10th of january the house was going to come in and they still will but only on wednesday in terms of legislative work. that one purpose on wednesday will be for a sense of the house resolution on the house of shootings in tucson. they will come in at 10:00 on wednesday. the president and the first play

will lead a moment of silence at the white house in about 50 minutes, 11:00 a.m. eastern. the congresswoman's husband, mark kelly, has posted online a statement from the family, a statement of condolences in terms -- on behalf of the family, i should say, and he writes that on behalf of gaby and our entire family, want to extend our heartfelt gratitude to the people of arizona and this great nation for their unbelievable outpouring of support. gaby was to in which he loved most, during from her constituents, when this tragedy occurred. this was her passion and nothing makes a more broad than representing them in congress. you can read the entire post and we have linked to that site from our website, c-span.org. mclean, virginia, republican line, good morning. caller: i believe we are a country of laws. i am very concerned about laws

that have been written in the last 10 years or so about mental illness. i believe they have hamstrung educational facilities and other community efforts to get medical help to people who are ill. i wish that you would have a program on the air about these laws. let's find out what it is that makes it so difficult for a college, for example, to take action and provide help to this person who had so many bizarre behavior. thank you again for taking my call. i would love to see a program on cspan about how these laws developed and what we can do to make them more effective. host: thank you for your suggestion. we understand that capitol hill staff will be gathering on the steps of the capital by the u.s. house at about 10:50 eastern.

that is 40 minutes from now. that is ahead of the moment of silence happening at 11:00. our independent line, what are your thoughts? caller: i would like to make two quick points. host: go ahead caller: i want to bring up rahm emanuel's comments. he said never to let a good crisis go to waste. we have to look for halladay are going to steal more of our freedoms -- we have to look for how they are going to steal more of our freedoms by capitalizing on this crisis. when the fbi was looking for the accomplice the other day, i thought it was really funny that the fbi to was looking for an accomplice when in recent weeks months, they have been the accomplice, the co-conspirator in creating terrorism in

entrapping these radical groups. host: we are looking at a live shot of one of the many flags there are at half staff in the nation's capital on the senate side of the nation's capital. there was an article this morning in "political." john boehner 62 calm -- seeks to calm the house tonight time of tragedy. he needs to make sure the republican party whose conservative wing is under fire for its incendiary campaign rhetoric stays on message. this must happen while many are personally, to terms with the emotions of an assassination attempt on one of its own, rep gabrielle giffords. the house will come in on wednesday for that house resolution supporting gabrielle giffords at the victims and

condemning the shooting. one more call from san francisco, on our democrats line. good morning. caller: how're you doing? host: i am doing fine. caller: it is terrible to hear about the incident in washington. host: are you still there? lost you.k we may have more of your calls are coming up. at 11:00 eastern, we'll take it to the white house for the moment of silence with the president and first lady. we spoke to john stanton of roll call this morning. .s we have john stanton on the line. he was a house reporter for "roll call." what is your assessment of the security aspect of the story?

caller: security for members is always a difficult issue. but there are 535 delegates. the idea that the capitol police will be able to provide security 24 hours per day for all of them seems on realistic. particularly given the budget right now. there is talk about cutting members personal office spending levels. cutting the overall spending level for the congress. all of that is going to cost a lot of money. the new talks seems to center around making it so that lawmakers in at capitol police soldier on with state and local officials coordinating better. when members have an event back in their district, locals know that they have a presence there.

but it really is going to be a >> she was one of the rare people in the house to try to overcome the politics in the house and work across the aisle and work with different philosophical views. it struck a chord with people that she was the one who got

attacked. some of the rhetoric that people have used whether or not this guy was a conservative or liberal or socialist or a capitalist or whatever, there is a sense in the capital community that at the very least, some of the rhetoric that people have used may have contributed to the overall atmosphere that this guy was living and operating in. it seems that it is not appropriate to have a big partisan fights a they will not to the health-care bill this week. the house will be in session in a pro forma way tomorrow and wednesday they will come in to discuss the tragedy and discuss

a resolution denouncing the attack and the situation in arizona. that is not expected to have a vote. members will agree to it but we can expect to see tribute to all day wednesday and part of the day tomorrow. host: we read about some gun budget -- legislation being perfume is -- being pursued as early as today. guest: members are starting to introduce bills. there are some gun legislation bills and bills that are designed to limit the kinds of rhetoric people can use in campaign ads. there was the bull's eye that sarah palin has become the most famous for using. democrats have used it for years. they have used it for mailings and fund-raisers. it is to take out their

opponent. there is new legislation that is being pursued to limit of that. i don't know that that will get very far. it infringes on free speech when you are handpicking what kind of imagery people can use. you can expect to see a lot of these kind of bills, and the next few days. host: you for your time this morning. host: outside live off the office of congressman giffords. in about 40 minutes or so, president obama and the first lady will lead a moment of silence at the white house. i had of that, we expect congressional staff to gather for a short memorial ahead of that moment of silence that about 10:50 eastern. we will take you live to the white house at 11:00. we will continue to take your phone calls with your thoughts and reactions.

make sure you turn down your radio or television as you tune in today. in the segment with john stanton, he talked briefly about possible action on gun control. on our facebook page, todd baker arrives that maybe it is time we stop asking god to protect us if someone started talking about nationwide gun laws of these kind of tragedies can be avoided in the future. tempe, ariz., a republican line, go ahead. caller: my husband, i am originally from alaska and moved to an assisted living area in tempe, ariz..

my husband and seven of our good friends were gunned down by an automatic weapon in 1993. we checked on the internet on the mccarthy massacre. the guy who did it is doing 699 years in prison in alaska. for doing essentially the same thing that was done to senator jeffords. giffords. it is silly that someone would blame the tea party and our esteemed governor, our next governor sarah palin, for political reasons. she is a wonderful mother and we all love her in alaska and. .

she is very concerned about her constituents and she is a wonderful person and to accuse someone like that is unconscionable. i think that the lady who called and said that colleges should do psychiatric tests, i think the man who did the shooting on us was straight out of college. the judge to try the case stated that he was an activist who was overreaching. there were people in the park already -- host: we will let you go there. thank you for waiting in. stamford, new york, martha, independent line, good morning. caller: i would like to speak to

the tragedy that took place in tucson. it is a time for a sadness and even though we don't want to start fighting, we have to be realistic here. i can name off the top of my head easily six or seven republicans, rush limbaugh, glen beck, marsha blackburn, michelle bachmann, sarah palin, despite what the former caller said, is an agitator. and others who have done nothing but rile up the people through the tea party. the tea party is part and parcel of this problem. they show up at rallies with signs depicting the guns. they show up at rallies actually carrying guns. this would have been unheard of to come to a presidential speech with a gun on you.

i can say that there have been times when keith olbermann and has said something outrageous but he apologizes the next day. host: have we heard anything that the suspect has been said that political, and there's on -- that political commentators on ready or television have inspired this? caller: it is an assumption but it is a valuable one cents the person he attacked as a politician. he attacked her with a gun. that is being promoted by certain people who attend the tea party with a gun sights on the offices of legislators. they say we have to reload. michelle bachmann like to have her people locked and loaded.

i cannot see how you can separate the best. he did not just anybody. he shot a politician. host: thank you for that opinion. here is a schedule where we are headed here on c-span. we will continue to take your phone calls. at 11:00, we will go live to the white house for a moment of silence and at noon, we will get an update on the condition of congress women givers live from the university medical center in tucson. that is at noon, eastern and at 3:45 this afternoon, we will be live for the state of the state address. the legislature opens in arizona and jan brewer will deliver her state of the state at 3:45 eastern this afternoon. charlottesville, va., go ahead. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i am calling because i am in support of what the last caller said. this hateful climate in this

country, i believe, is contributing to this type of terrorism. when't understand why someone looks like they are from middle america, it can't be called terrorism. it is very much the same thing that happened on the military bases where people were shot and a serial mannered. -- in a serious manner. i don't know how you can distinguish it is connected to something like islam, it is blatantly linked to terrorism. about a week or so ago, you have an executive director of the investigative project on terrorism on one of the programs, i believe it was "washington journal," mr. emerson. he stated in one breath that your homegrown terrorists that

look like middle america, those are a thing of the past. the incidents that seem to be highly suspect with people who are in yemen or other countries, they call a blatant terrorism. i don't see, in any way, how this would be any different. terrorism is terrorism. cold-blooded murder is cold- blooded murder. it is sad and i am disheartened by what happened in tucson. host: fayetteville, north carolina, republican line. caller: i wanted to call in earlier when you had mr. kristol on. host: you can make your point. you are on the air. caller: people are either too young or have a short memory of

using incendiary language and symbolism and sarah palin having cross hairs on this lady's district -- back in 1984, when senator jesse helms was at the height of his popularity, if you will, julian bond made the statement that if he came to georgia, he would have cross hairs on his chest. it was not even one step removed. this was someone actually saying that if a united states senator came to georgia, he would have cross hairs on his chest. this is not something new. i was trying to call an earlier with mr. crystal and maybe he would remember that. it shocks me that people don't bring these earlier instances up. later in

our program with our program with a bil crystal. the president and first lady are leading the moment of silence at 11:00 eastern. looking at some of the tweeets by congressional members, you can look at that as well on twitter.com/cspan. join our nation in a moment of silence at 11:00 a.m. eastern in honor of the victims in this weekend's tragic shooting in arizona. that is dan burton and others posting their thoughts. springfield, west virginia, our independent line, go ahead caller: as far as the shooting, we don't know what really happened. it could have been a sex scandal and everybody is blaming sarah palin for this. what happens with the attorney

general and the black panthers? why weren't they incarcerated? when the oil wells blew up in the gulf, everybody says that obama took his time getting there. that was not true. he was johnny on the spot. he sent a task force in to cover everything and nobody could find out what happens. host: democrats line, go ahead. caller: i would like to mention that dick armey was on the sunday morning show talking about how the tea party should not be blamed for the people who are part of the membership. what will be a shame is that some day when all these people figure out how dick armey funded and all his rich friends funded and backed up this tea

party and propped it up and made people believe that they really had something and all these people really have some strong opinions on government and politics are all fired up. many of them have these things in there -- put in their heads that you have to use rhetoric that includes guns and violence to make your point across and to scare the opponents. for instance, jesse kelly who ran against gabrielle giffords, he always posted himself an army gear. that points out how ugly things have gotten. i feel certain that had a lot to do with the shooting in tucson. host: gabrielle giffords had just won her reelection for a third term in arizona. she was in the eighth

congressional district. have a sioux city, ariz., democrats live -- republican line. caller: i would kind of like to give some thought to people like martha and this last guy who talked. i think it is really arrogant to decide that sarah palin or the tea party, for heaven's sake, or rush limbaugh or any of these people have anything to do with this not case that shot this woman. when you make rhetoric, i have never heard people make more discouraging rhetoric against anyone more than sarah palin or rush limbaugh. you are saying that they are bad guys. some nut job might decide to go shoot them.

just count this guy as a nut case. if we can figure out a way to make it more difficult for these kind of people to grab a gun and do something hellacious, let's do it but come together, people. let's not get crazy and take the politics out of it. host: you are calling us from arizona. we will have your honor and the state of the state address this afternoon at 3:45. what are you hoping to hear from her? in the wake of the shooting? caller: i am hoping to hear that this was a great loss. i happen to be republican. i found giffords to be an excellent representative for arizona. i am hard core republican. i liked her as a democrat. there are other democrats i

like. there are some republicans i don't care for that much and some democrats that i could care less about host:: thank you for your opinion. one more call from tucson, independent line, go ahead. caller: i'm calling from tucson and i am calling as a personal friend of one of the victims. dorwin stoddard was shot and murdered and his wife was shot. i am very angry at the woman who said this was a frameup. people should keep their mouth shut because the system will take its toll on this person. this is not a tea party thing. this is not a democratic thing. this is not a republican thing. this is a king of a person who has a warped mind.

for people to take away from that and take away from gabrielle giffords, no matter what if she is a democrat and a wonderful representative, and to take away from the people is mean. there are heroic acts. people tackled this person. host: you just said you were personal friends a stoddards? stoddard was killed and what is the condition of its wide- caller: extent she was shot three times in the leg and she is home. host: we are sorry about the loss of your friend. we thank you for your call, as well on this day before the day of the state governor will speak and give her state of the state address. the caller from tucson mention the stoddards.

this is a short piece of the dorwin stoddard. he died shielding his wife. she was shot in the leg several times. he was a hero said a neighbor and friend. friends and church members knew their love story. there were high school classmates in tucson and moved away, mary other people, and made a life and when their spouses die, they reconnected and were leaders in their church benevolence ministry. dorwin stoddard was 76 when he was killed. we'll take you live to the white house at 11:00 or the president and first lady will lead a moment of silence. we will go to the office of gabrielle giffords. we saw the house chaplain leave and members of the house. congressional offices are gathering outside the capital for that moment of silence. "washington journal" earlier

today, we got update on history of violence. host: have we seen this type of thing before? guest: we have seen this before. we have had members of congress who have been assassinated before. huey long was assassinated in 1935 in louisiana when he was in the u.s. senate. of course, robert kennedy was running for president. he was a member of the u.s. senate when he was gunned down in 1968.

there is a long history of the various kinds of violence either among members themselves or against them. = the for bombings at the capitol on several occasions. the last one was 1983. there was the tragic shooting of two police officers from one deranged individual who tried to break into the capital and was stopped by two officers who he killed before he could retain members office. host: what has been learned in those years about security, about this course and anything else you want to mention historical weight? guest: the main lesson i think we have to face and most members of congress know this well -- in a representative democracy where we elect public officials and we are an open society, you

cannot protect people completely from this kind of terrible act. if someone wants to perhaps die in the effort of assassinating a member, you'll find it almost impossible to stop them. what congress had sad to deal west -- what congress has had to deal with is how to keep the capital and open building and have congresspersons to go back to their constituents and have congresspersons like congresswoman giffords do. you cannot protect them completely because it is a free society. the other way to do it is to turn the capital into a complete secure facility with the people not being able to come into the facility. we have tried to do a compromise. we have increased security around the capital.

they are armed, more so than they ever were in the past. in the house chamber, since there was a shooting in the chamber where five members were wounded in 1954, there's talk of walling off the gallery with bulletproof glass. the members did not want to be separated from the people and that would be a bad symbol. they have done many things like magnetometers and other things . they have increased security but it is still wide open host: ray smock, thank you for your insight this morning. host: a look live at the senate side of the u.s. capitol. the flag is at half staff as are all flags on the capital and throughout most of -- much of the nation in memory and honor of the victims of the tucson

shootings over the weekend. in about 20 minutes, we'll take you live to the white house. and the first play will observe a moment of silence. at about 10:50, we hope to take you to the capital for the congressional gathering with staff and others gathered on the house side of the u.s. capitol on the steps. we hope to be able to take you there as well in the next couple of minutes. we continue with your phone calls and your comments. west virginia, i understand you are a police officer. caller: 23 years and i appreciate you taking my call. my heart goes out to congresswoman giffords and her family and i pray for her healing. i pray for her full recovery and a family of the u.s. and judge and a benign-year-old child and the others were murdered and wounded. this was horrendous.

this was an uncalled for act of violence. for 23 years, i have witnessed hatred, bigotry, the demise of people using the airwaves. for example, dick armey, hannity, the rush limbaughs who promotes hatred everyday and to have promoted murder in america -- we have a doctor who was murdered and this was done by the far right side or radio. sarah palin, in 2010, had a hit list. these are the targets using a gun sight as the hit list. they were promoted and it was on the weather. everybody could see it and it was a gun marker that was used

on our website. it was the tea baggers who were to take action in any shape or form they decided to. host: you are a former police officer. i asked this earlier -- of what we know so far about the suspect, jared loughner, is there any evidence we have heard that any of these political commentators or the tea party or any evidence that that drove him to this political act of attempted assassination? caller: yes, there were you two sites that he posted on this website. that has all been taken down now. i have to say that sarah palin, in all due respect, we have laws in this country. it is sad that we have to continue making more laws.

our u.s. congress people in the house and the senate go in and represent us every day of every year. they are elected or running for office and sarah palin should be held for an accessory and charged with manslaughter. host: we appreciate your opinion. chapel hill, north carolina, republican caller. caller: i am not a republican, but i am more of a libertarian. host: you could use the independent line. caller: i want to say that the government should be afraid of the people and that people should not be afraid of their government. i would like to talk about how many people think that the world

and especially america has been changed a lot. i want to remind people of this award that happened, the revolutionary war that happened in america to give us freedom of speech. that freedom of speech today is being slandered by many people. it has nothing to do with the gunfire that happened but people blame this tragedy on sarah palin and rush limbaugh which is kind of ignorant. when congress people are afraid of the people, not of being murdered, but afraid of being elected or not voted into office, we have a much better government system. host: about 50 more minutes, we will be at the white house live for the -- about 15 more minutes, we will be at the white house live for a moment of silence from the president and the first lady. the associated press reports that vice president joe biden is in afghanistan.

the white house says that joe biden arrived in afghanistan on a visit to assess the progress in the war-ravaged nation. this comes over one month after president obama traveled to afghanistan to tell u.s. troops who comprise the bulk of the 140,000-strong nato force that they are making progress in their mission to fight terrorism. vice president joe biden is in kabul today. at 11:00, we will go to the white house all live for a moment of silence with the president and the first lady. our independent line, go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. i would like to address the libertarian who thinks that ignorance is the problem. comes to people's rights to free speech. i would like to say that it is a door into think that you don't

have any responsibility for having the right of free speech. what appalls me today is that nobody seems to want to draw the line on the republican side from the overt and the implied violent tactics that have been used over last two years over much of talk radio and certain channels on television to make me, i am independent and i voted democrat after eight years of bush. in the last two years, i think i know how homosexual people feel about hate speech and about hate crimes. i would like to see this looked at as a hate crime. clearly, what has been happening in this country is that if you think differently than the republicans, you are some kind of game to be hunted down.

our representatives, a tom periello not getting elected, probably had his life saved. i would like to see republicans show some leadership about this kind of talk in this kind of rhetoric. i have not seen that. i have seen that we should not blame anyone. we should not jump to conclusions. that is what is wrong with this country. nobody wants to take responsibility for a line that can be directly drawn from people bringing guns. host: we are getting a live look at the south lawn of the white house, waiting for the moment of silence our money to get under way at 11:00 with the president and first lady. lois hill, mississippi, republican line. caller: good morning. i'm sorry about what happened in tucson.

i was involved in the national debate one time. sometimes they go against the government and sometimes they do rallies. there are so many groups out there that we don't notice out there. they are all over the united states. they are ready to strike at any time and any day. i have talked to the white house about it. i told obama to be careful. they will come after him. they want to kill people like what happened the other day. host: do you think this jared loughner is part of a group? caller: i have to be careful about what i said. every time someone goes and kills a congressman, the government keeps saying that

they don't know what they are doing. everybody is not crazy doing all the shootings. the government needs to take the blame for what they have done the $900 billion and all the overspending, there are poor people on social security. host: in 10 more minutes, we will be live at the white house for the moment of silence observation. we will take you live at noon eastern to the university medical center in tucson for the latest on the condition of congresswoman giffords. the chief medical director of critical care was on msnbc this morning and said it would be two or three days before she gets off the breathing apparatus. otherwise, she is making good progress. we will find out more at noon eastern today. at 3:45, we will be in arizona

for the state of the state address by governor general. next up, his muscles sholes, alabama, are democrats line. caller: i think the lady a couple of callers ago made a great point. the propaganda has gotten out of hand. this is partially to blame. i agree with the last caller as well. all these people are not crazy. this guy knew what he was doing. he may not -- he may not have been there all -- he may not have been all their generally but -- mentally but he knew enough to make the attack. i am an avid hunter. i own guns. i think that restricted them in

federal and state places and even in large gatherings where people may be overwhelmed by events taking place -- host: give us an example on the gun laws. he was allegedly using an extended clip on this 9 millimeter gun, a glock 9mm with more than 15 rounds. would you believe in favor of laws that would ban those extended clips for civilian sale? caller: oh, yes. there is no reason for anyone to have more than eight or 10 rounds in a gun. automatic weapons are the same way. those are made to kill. there's nothing i would hunt with an automatic weapon. the extended collapse, law enforcement, military service i can see. as far as a civilian goes, there is no reason for anyone to have more than eight or 10 shots to

defend yourself. if you're truly defend yourself, if someone is after you, you shoot and run very you don't stand there like "a tombstone" and have a gun fight in the middle of the road. these are things that should be addressed. but we will see it happen and i think as far as the rhetoric and propaganda goes, people will start to think twice before they use those phrases as far as someone in their sights are pulling the trigger and things like that. host: we are getting a look of the south lawn of the white house. we presume staff from the white house and others are gathering at the moment of silence observation by the first lady and president obama. also, at the u.s. capitol on the east side, our cameras are there as staff members and others are gathering. speaker john boehner and other bipartisan leadership and

possibly the minority leader nancy pelosi are expected at the capitol within minutes. we will keep our eye on both fenty -- and take you live if any comments or observations get under way. i what is next on our independent line. --iowa is next on our independent line. caller: i feel sorry for the people killed out there and the congress lady. i pray to god she makes it. this kid is crazy. what he did was not right. he probably needs to sit in an electric chair. the government has brought them on their cells. selves. they beat the little people down and back into corporate we have no more taxes to get. they take away from us and as long as they get their big paycheck, they are fine. they are taken care of and they have their insurance paid for. i have insurance on my daughter. i don't have insurance on me

because i am unemployed and cannot afford it. they are all taken care of. if they think this whole thing will end with this, i am surprised this did not happen in long time ago. congress has become a little people down. like my dad always said, you poke a dog with a stick long enough, and he will bite. back which ist not right but he went about the wrong way. the government needs to be protected because there are other people out there like that who are getting sick and tired of being stomped on and lied to barrett we have the most corrupt government. we put down every other country. we need to take care of ourselves instead of taking care of everybody else. host: next up is now very, north carolina on our republican line. caller: i would like to comment on the lady and the people who were shot in arizona.

i would like to comment on the people who were shot in arizona and they were having death threats. why did they not called for the police to be there at that meeting? it did not make any sense and they are trying to blame it on other people. america has a history of people being assassinated. i don't think it is fair to start blaming each other for what has happened. both parties, i don't think it is right. the rhetoric coming from both parties, all parties, not one particular party. i don't understand. if someone is getting desperate constantly, why don't they have protection themselves? host: we are looking at the east front of the u.s. capitol as members of congress and staff gather at had been anticipated moment of silence with bipartisan leadership.

the president will be out shortly with the first lady at the white house and we will take you live momentarily. democrats' line, next. caller: in the first few hours after the shooting on c-span-1, you were doing a live feed from an arizona tv station, may be in tucson. host: that's right. caller: as soon as the man's name did the shooting came out, everybody jumped to see if he had a facebook page. the reporter had a screen shot of his facebook page in her hand and he said he listed his interests as sarah palin and the tea party. since then, it has been sanitized. it is as if there was no connection. it is as if he did not list both people and host: you say is facebook page has been

sanitized? caller: it has been taken down. there is no reporting. the reporting is that he had no connection to sarah palin or the tea party. host: we appreciate all your comments and more of your calls will, as we wait for the moment of silence to get under way at the white house and on capitol hill, the east front

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take away here? guest: this is a terrible thing. i wish her and her family the best, i know her well. host: many have been going after sarah palin and those that speak in certain terms about certain politicians and parts of the country. what do you think of that dialogue? guest: a disgrace. sarah palin. even if he had been a follower of first, what would that prove? of what if he was a follower of some left-wing politician? the man does not even mention her. the way this is being done is mccarthyism, honestly. on the other hand, it is a

reliable and people should be ashamed of themselves. some people are ideologically motivated and even then is not fair to blame conservatism. in general we tried to tamp down and not use crazy rhetoric. at times these metaphors are used. people use war metaphors for politics. sarah palin is not the only person that ever put a target of a congressional district. everyone has done that. liberals, conservatives. i take the attempts to politicize this and use this as a disgrace and says there is a

current state that leads from one to the other. take that a step back. guest: first of all, do we think this would have changed if we have a calmer debate over health care? gabrielle giffords is a moderate democrat and a defender of the second amendment. vitriolic attacks from the left of conservatives. did they cause this? i do not think so. i think that responsible people should encourage others to use less of the inflammatory rhetoric. those of us who went through the last 10 years and the last attack on george bush, who alleges that -- allegedly consciously lied to get young men and women killed. but this goes both ways.

the idea that it began two years ago is ridiculous. host: they ask this question over the weekend -- will congress ever be the same? guest: i think so. this is a terrible thing. virginia tech was a horrible thing. this is a big in the open society. with a high murder rate and to many disturbed people where terrible things happen. but college and university is going on despite the killings of virginia tech. congress will go on and gabrielle giffords is the first to say that it should. i do not think that they will declare the necessity for a huge apparatus to be in place to protect officials. i think that people are

overreacting to this. it is generally a mistake to pick one incident and try to write legislation or predict events days later. a terrible thing that happens and i do not think it will change congress. host: the public mind, good morning. caller: i wanted to make a couple of quick points to illustrate why people on the right to not trust the mainstream media. first of all, i do not blame politicians for this guy. they are all pointing at sarah palin. president obama said -- they bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun. during the fort hood shootings

everyone said not to rush and i do not think that that is what he was thinking of when he used this, and metaphor. i really think that people should not jump to condemn politicians or activists on either side. i would say that the same is true of movements on the left in america. millions of citizens organizing themselves with very little violence over the last few years. shouting and heckling.

movements, are these movements run by an same individuals? they can be. does that mean that the environmental movement is illegitimate? or that anyone who supports the legislation should be scrutinized? and though. should we be careful about our rhetoric? yes. comparing politics to war? perhaps. this guy was not reading political web sites. caller: good morning. let me take a step back here. something that has happened in this country is -- number one, we have discovered that barack

obama is a disaster. he has no idea what leadership is. he likes the flow around. he will not lead. he had an obligation one year ago to come out to protect our country against the charge of racism. he failed us. he said nothing. he still says nothing. just a risky way of doing things has failed. he had an obligation to come out and take a stand against and the

this is in the past. this is a beautiful country. your comment? guest: i did notice that in his weekly address a few weeks ago he commented on other than what the president said in the past and it is hard to tell and he overdid everything with health care.

nancy pelosi, harry reid, they were not controlled very well. leading to electoral repudiation in november. i wish that on the issues that i care about, like afghanistan -- where i support his policies and he talks more about other issues that i think are important. guest: i think they have said the right things. i happen to be in touch with a couple of republican congressmen

and they were very shaken up by this. it is a terrible thing. i think that all americans. i think that most people have that appropriately and will continue to do so. host: back to the question of the debate, the lead editorial from "the new york times." i think paul krugman is much anger than any other politician. he attacked sarah palin this weekend with no evidence before he knew anything about the shooting. he said on saturday, on their

website, it is likely he is a conservative. it was conservative rhetoric that caused this, but of course, that turned out not to be true. that is mccarthyism. we do not have any evidence that this guy is a communist, but how can you separate him from people that might have liberal point of view with the communist agenda? host: next phone call.: caller caller: if anybody has spread that kind of vitriol, bill kristol is one of them. he brought his sweeper in today

to get rid of all of it. he is also accusing the democrats of doing the same thing, but i do not know of any example of that. it is disgusting to have to listen to this guy, and i am a retired naval officer. this is disgusting to listen to this man. host: well, he has been listening. guest: then turn off the tv. host: fullerton, california. caller: on the shooting in tucson -- it stands not so much from people's belief in the tea party, sarah palin, but what i think it is is the right wing movement being a scapegoat.

what is significant about this is it reflects the political and economic instability, and i think the real cause of this divisiveness in our nation, people are feeling they are not in control. we have been fighting a war for 10 years that does the seem to be resolving itself. i think people feel like government is losing control of the situation. nothing seems to be improving. i know mr. kristol referenced mccarthyism. when people sense their own world is changing, they tend to become hysterical and overreact. pointing the finger at the tea party, sarah palin, screaming racism, is all symptoms of this

hysteria. it reminds me of the salem witch trials. host: political economic instability. guest: one of the worst things that could happen out of this would be the further heating of political rhetoric. certainly, i was on tv yesterday and tried to say inappropriate things. to their credit, the president, speaker brainer, nancy pelosi have set appropriate things. i believe it was the left that job on this thing -- but what if a republican congressman was shot? maybe he was just looking for is local politician and was not motivated by any political thought.

lee harvey oswald was a communist. that does not mean people who are socialists, people who are sympathetic to the palestinian cause our responsible for all actions. maybe you could plausibly tie something together their but here there is no ideology at all. it would be terrible if our political discourse gets further poisoned by talks about this assassination. we can have a reasonable debate about security, policy issues, like gun-control. i would not do it the day after. it would be better to reflect on a sensible legislation, but it is not ridiculous for someone to say, let's look at why he got so many shots off quickly.

maybe we should look at the assault weapons ban. that is the kind of reasonable response. but to be demonizing, not just a few americans, but 30 million people who voted on the republican side, or on the democratic side, left-wing democrats, or for that matter, from the left -- it would be very bad. it would be bad to exploit this tragedy even more by those who have an interest in demonizing, which hunting opponents on either side of the spectrum. host: earlier, you said a that

these events will increase the distance between constituents and their congressional representatives. guest: i think we have an open society. there are a lot of things one can do. the next time a congressperson has a town hall, police may show up with local force. you hate the idea of copycat doing something. there are mass murderers at workplaces, universities, military bases, unfortunately. i don't think we want to become some sort of garrison fate where people are sheltered from each

other. host: wilmington, north carolina. kent is on the line. caller: i could not agree more with mr. kristol. i think we are probably from the same peer group. i grew up in the 1960's. my fear is this country has neglected the mental health of its citizens for so long, these kinds of occurrences come up far too frequently. the fifth rail, to me, politically, is some sort of component of public health care that includes our mental health. the cost of deepen -- keeping people in jail is just a band-

aid on the titanic of the generals public mental health -- of the general public mental health. it baffles me that there is no political representation for the ingrained violence that i see in america. i am sure mr. kristol lived through all of the assassination attempts. every time this stuff clickers, -- occurs, talk is abundant, but any plan for the general mental health of our citizenry is soon forgotten and we wait until the next bend. -- thing. we have to take a step back from

what we say publicly. i do not believe our terrorism is nearly as to visit as our public interchanges are right now. host: bill kristol? guest: i am no expert in mental health policy. there was a debate about 10 years ago about whether or not mental health would be required most insurancein both menta plans. this man was mentally unstable. his community college actually asked him to leave. i do not know if they referred him to a clinic. it is hard to force people to seek help.

i guess this guy had not been reported to be a clear threat until he took those terrible actions on saturday. it is hard to know how a better mental health system -- maybe it would have -- but it is not clear from the facts of this case that a different mental health policy would have made a difference. host: mount airy, maryland. richard. democrat. call, i am a 77-year-old korean war veteran, fairly well- educated, and i think you are being a disingenuous apologist. no democrat could run for office. did not bring up gun control because it is political suicide. no democrat is going to reference guns, talk about killing the other party, and be successful.

the republicans, on the other hand, they see the second amendment that way. i am a hunter but i do not need a glock 9 that shoots 30 rounds. it is ridiculous. there is not one instance where democrats are talking about guns. there was an awful lot of bitter references about arizona, and it is just not true. no democrat is going to use that symbol because it is political suicide within their own political party. guest: both parties have used the cross hairs to target certain districts. the use of the word "targeting"

is pretty common. that does not mean that you should go around murdering. honestly, it is not the case. it is also not the case that many democrats are not interested in gun-control laws. carol mccarthy, the democrat from long island, is about to introduce a bill in the next few days. there are gun control republicans, there are second amendment democrats. gabbie gifford was a pretty strong supporter of gun rights. she may have been supported by the nra. i do not think she was doing this for political reasons.

other democrats have differed with her. people are entitled to different views on gun control. it does not mean that they are being insincere. al gore ran with strong gun- control positions, i recall. host: take us back to arizona, talking about the story. the share spoke over the weekend. -- sheriff spoke over the weekend. the governor will be making her state of the state address today. a previously scheduled event. what is the tone for her to strike today? guest: she will strike the

proper tone -- unity, deplore this terrible act, of violence of all kind, extremism of all sorts. i have not been to arizona much in the past few years. i cannot judge how he did the politics are. j.d. hayworth was targeted by some democratic opponents, advertisements targeting him as a vulnerable republican, and he lost. there is not much evidence i know of that murder had anything to do with this debate. i do not even know what his views are. having this conversation shows how ridiculous it is. there are ideological assassins. even in those cases, it is often

illegitimate to plan an entire point of view because one fringe guy takes -- uses of violence when he should not. nut.ust seems to be a knoc host: burke, virginia. caller: it is surprising that mr. kristol is all this sudden ambivalent about gun-control. guest: that is not true. i have always been ambivalent about gun-control. not every conservative agrees on every issue and not every liberal. go ahead, i am sorry. caller: i would have a disagreement with that, but this is turning into a witch hunt with guns.

this has been bothered me for a long time. whenever i hear democrats claiming a martial language in the political arena, i find them just as guilty. i would like to point out something that no one has brought up. there was a movie called "the assassination of george bush." as far as i'm concerned, it is an attempt to incite such an act. when i looked for it this morning, it is missing from the internet database but i did find a story about it. i do not recall any of the liberal politicians saying what a horrible thing it was to release a movie called "the assassination of george bush."

web sites would use the word bushhitler as a single word all the time. we do not need to be on the defensive here. guest: i do not think anybody should be calling for the assassination of politicians or calling an american hitler. i agree. there has been individual efforts to take advantage of this terrible tragedy and somehow discredit conservatives or the tea party. that is why i began this morning by saying it was somewhat outrageous, mccarthyism. "the weekly standard" is not going around demonizing people over this. we take a look at mental health policies, gun policies,

something that is sensible. have a policy debate. the attempt to exploit tragedy is really troubling. people talk about political rhetoric. i would rather focus on this. host: naples, florida. jean. caller: nobody knows if this was political. anyone who commits mass murder has a mental problem but mr. kristol seems to be backpedaling now. i have never seen such hate since president obama was elected from beck, hannity, limbaugh, and when you have people telling their audience to

pick up their guns and fight, the sort of thing is bound to happen. there are so many wonderful republicans and democrats. it is time for them to do what mr. kristol said and turn off the television. stop giving people like him ratings. stop giving them money. we do not need legislation to come down the rhetoric. we just need the american people to say we have different views. that is what makes this country a great country. guest: that is what most politicians say. it is not fair to say that this has nothing to do with sarah palin or michelle bachman. the fact that they could somehow be responsible for this is unfair. i just criticized michelle

bachman about 10 days ago for not raising the debt ceiling. she is involved in political debate. she is not inciting people to violence. host: we have about 10 minutes left with our guest bill kristol who was booked before the shooting over the weekend. "the weekly standard" -- happy days. you write about the debt. you are writing about the but they are going to take on the debt ceiling? guest: we are looking at the new republican majority, looking at how we can get government under control without doing things that we think would be substantively or politically foolish.

this debt has been accumulated over a long time. i do not think using the debt ceiling is a good way to go about this. when they pass the debt ceiling increase, that is fine, but it should not be held hostage to legislation. host: what do you make of promises about open government, open process in the house? the gop is going to put this on the floor without any amendments, votes to repeal. what do you think? guest: i have been a strong supporter of appeal and we should have an up or down vote. there will be time to debate every aspect of health care.

republicans will move to show what they might replaced obamacare with with a couple pieces of legislation, and there will be time to debate and offer amendments. i think the republicans are move for repeal. i think obamacare was a terrible mistake. host: that was going to happen on wednesday, but they have adjusted the schedule. the couple of things, before we wrap up with phone calls. a shake-up of staff at the white house. what do you make of the changes that are happening? guest: bill bailey is a good choice. he is a moderate democrat. we will see if he can really influence president obama's policies. he is a strong leader internally

and he chooses the policies he wants to pursue. i think the tax deal will help the economy over the next few years, if we can get spending restraint. then the question is the regulatory burden. agencies have been out of control. particularly, in the bush administration. bill daley knows a lot about the private sector. at the moment, private businesses are nervous about using capital. there is capital on the sidelines. one reason is because there are decisions that need to be made in government. host: back to your party, the

rnc. you vote for a new chairman this week. what do you think about michael steele, and who gets your vote this weekend? guest: i do not get a vote this weekend. i did not think michael steele was a particularly good leader. he said some pretty foolish things. i know slightly the people who are running. i think the two candidates are ryan priebus. who was formerly general counsel. i know there is a michigan committee man who is also looking at this. he is a good man. i know him the best. if i was a member, i would vote for him, but i do not get a

vote. host: last call for bill kristol. middlebury, connecticut. going: gun-control ain't to go nowhere because anybody can get a gun. if i want a gun, i can build one in my basement. you just talked about oil companies. aren't they one of the biggest industries we have? but we only have so much oil in the ground. if we suck up all of that oil from the ground today, what happens in 10 years when china needs more oil? going baby, and drildrill ain't to work. natural-gas has a lot of potential but we are dropping so much chemical into the ground. well, what happened when i cannot even drink water out of

my spigot any more? guest: i am no expert on the details of energy policy. there are huge natural-gas finds in pennsylvania, which are promising, and would help to improve our energy problem. i am actually optimistic about that. we have oil, coal, natural gas, solar, wind -- you are right. we need lots of different kinds of energy to keep this going. and we need jobs. host: next phone call. texas. republican caller. caller: i am afraid we are

missing the focus on this shooting. this guy was hoping to kill someone and he was arrested for drugs. how was he able to buy a gun? it reminds me of this virginia tech situation where this guy underwent some mental detainment but was still able to buy a gun. the focus should be on making sure our legal systems are functioning to the extent we are able to bar people who are unstable from getting a gun. guest: i think that is a reasonable public policy question. it occurred to me, too. we do not know how he got this done legally. there should be things that gun sellers are supposed to look at. some of this reporting is

second-hand but he seemed to have been a regular drug and alcohol abuser, a young man in high school. why were illegal drugs so readily available in his high school, but affected that have on his mental state? host: "the wall street journal" control ut guestthe gun situation -- birmingham, alabama. c.j., independent. you are on with mr kristol. caller: i am concerned about what we are teaching to our

young people. it seems we teach young kids to deal with difficult matters in different ways. people get very defensive when they are on the wrong side. there is a thing called responsible media. if you take any media culture class, it shows you we can have civil discussions but we have to start from the foundation of an even scale. the inconsistencies about knowledge, like death panels when you are talking about health care. when you do not call out your own group as well as the others

, then we all have a responsibility to make sure that we do our part. we can point out problems of the other guy but we need to be true to our own as well. guest: we need to be judged by what we say and write. i am happy to be judged and for criticized by what i write in "the weekly standard." i have said alicia things and you are right, personal responsibility is a key component of a civilized society. it is also important not to blame people who are vaguely not on their side. we have tried to criticize extremism on both sides when appropriate but we do not spend 40 pages every week calling out responsible things by everyone

said on tv or in print. the left does not have to do that either. they have to say what they have to say and we say what we have to say. one last point, because there is so much focus on this killer. he is not representative of american young people. thank god there are relatively few murders like this in america. i really think we should not generalize too much from one terrible event. . we have incredibly vigors discourse. -- we have incredibly big tourist discourse. -- vigorous discourse.

99% of the debate has been healthy and appropriate. millions of citizens had participated in the pol >> bill crystal's from this morning's "washington journal." this is a live look outside offices of gabrielle giffords. in 10 minutes we're planning to take you live to the arizona university medical center for an update on her condition and the update on others injured in saturday's shootings.

we walked up for you. among those we expect to hear from the man in charge of critical care. until then, we will open up the phone lines to update your thoughts on the weekend events. here are the numbers. make sure you mute your television or radio. if you have called in the past 30 days, please give others a chance to call in with their thoughts. if you can always email your thoughts or post your thoughts at the facebookacnd page.

in 10 minutes we stand to take you live to tucson for the update on gabrielle giffords' medical condition. let's go to chicago. first up on the democrats' line. good afternoon. go ahead, chicago. chicago on the democrats' line. republican calller. go ahead. caller: this is alex and fredericksburg, maryland. my thinking is that there are lots of secondary courses here and there is a root cause, and

if we do not get to the root cause, it does not matter what it amplifies the problem it will continue to happen as it happened at virginia tech. guest: what is the root cause? caller: i am against the ruling of the second amendment. and i think their ruling is saying it is a militia, as opposed to what it was set up for in the early 18th century. host: you think the supreme loosening up gun laof gun laws has led to this?

caller: yeah. if your jurisdiction has a high crime rate, you really do not have to report it, and i think it is spending statistics -- bending statistics. host: it is possible we may seek an legislation introduced in the wake of the shootings. there is reports that a congresswoman is developing such legislation. independent fine, go ahead. i would like to set the political rhetoric, all of this western ankle and her second amendment solution, honestly

this is off the hook. as far as i am concerned anyone wants to ignore the media regime and propaganda regime that has been created in this country and start with the base idea that democrats just want to destroy the country and we paid our country, if you start the dialogue and continued down that road, this is the result he will do it. and when it comes down to it, i am getting tired of the taxpayers picking up the cost for all of the metal cost and everything you are doing with your gun. the people thought go out and do these kinds of things, you are the folks the wind up paying for these things, not me. and host: tom on the democrats wind from rose bowl, ohio. go ahead.

-- from roseville, ohio. caller: i just watched your segment on bill kristol. i believe this was passed by the house and the entire congress. it is really barack obama care. mr. kristol like to label it that way to keep it focused on president obama like it is his own personal package. thank you. and host: we're watching video of gabrielle giffords on the floor personally. houses out this week. they will consider a house resolution honoring those who were killed and injured, including obviously their colleague, congresswoman giffords from arizona. on the republican line

is next. -- larry on the republican line is next. a glock 19 is a pistol and does not hold 30 rounds. host: there are reports that he had an extended clip. what is your familiarity with them? caller: i am familiar with them and they do have an extended clit. extended clip. host: what how many rounds could they hold? caller: i believe they do make it that walt that those. he was leaning towards it being a rifle.

a glock 19 is a pistol. host: are you a gun owner? caller: yes, i am. host: our next calller from north carolina, go ahead. and caller: i understand the house is taking next week off. who gives them the right to do that? they work for us. people are shot everyday in this country. in the real world of someone in the workplace dies or is killed we did not get a week off with pay. we are lucky if we can even get a day off for the funeral. host: they would not have come into tuesday anyway. they are coming and wednesday for the legislation on gabrielle giffords. giffords. this video is from