the propaganda side of what they're doing is really frustrating in the sense tha they -- they are moving in a way we've never seen them move before. the jihadists websites, one of you mentioned it, they're doing gaming. they're doing ways to pull our people in in our modern technology things that they can innocently get involved in and they don't really realize what they're getting involved in and what the basis behind it is. i hope we're keeping track of all these websites that are springing up and how this is all fitting into the picture of what you're facing with the threats of homegrown terrorism rising now. because i think this is a tremendous feeder in a way we haven't seen before. >> congresswoman as we've discussed many times before looking in the ways that individuals are being radicalized is our number one priority because they do have an access to our facilities,

they understand our people, theynderstand our culture and it could be used against us. it's not just watching in conjunction with the f.b.i., it's doing in a way of respecting civil liberties who have acceptable first amendment speech. but it is also seeking with policy agencies and informing them so they can empower the communities to go out and engage their youth as well. so we can empower main stream -- mainstream the moderate muslims and how their kids could be victimized through this propaganda. >> i hope with can work on this program because that's very important and a great interest of mine. thank you. thank you, mr. chairman. >> i know her plans for putting something bigger on this subject.

and i'm sure you'll cooperate with that. >> i would like to get more information on the muslim brotherhood and their impact when we get into closed session. let me just ask a quick question for all of you. when president calderon from mexico was here and spoke to a joint session of congress, he said when the ban on automatic weapon expired that there was a flow from the united states to mexico of automatic weapons. i'm just asking ifnyone on this panel would state you anybod >> would you like to say anythingbout that? >> i will have to take that for the record. >> i just wondered if anyone was prepared. regarding egypt, there are

repos that you think it is unlikely president mubarak will step down tonight. then there are other reports that he is saying that he is in power and there are no decisions about the future. let's assume there is a change. what impact will the change in egypt have on the region, particularly israel? >> we follow that very closely. the overall regional impact of what is happening in egypt is something that we obviously have to pay attention to. the egregious i talked about that were present in tunisia and egypt are president -- are present in other countries throughout that region. we have to pay attention to help these facrs come into play. let me make very clear that i received reports that possibly

mubarak might do that. we are continuing to monitor the situation. we have not gotten specific word that he will do that. >> does that mean suleyman with debt that? >> i do not know the particulars of how this would work. i would assume he would turn over more of his powers to omar suleiman to be able to direct the country and direct the reforms that hopefully will take place. if egypt and develop a timeline for political reform that leads to free and open elections -- if they can move in that kind of

orderly process, it could have a positive effect with regards to that area. if, on the other hand, this turns in another direction, that coul affect not only the security of israel, but that of other nations. >> have you done any particular analysis of what the changes would need to israel? >> yes, we have. we will be happy to share with you in another forum. >> how would you assess the stability of the following governments -- saudi arabia, syria, and jordan? >> again, in open session, i am a little concerned about sharing specifics about any of these countries. i think it suffices to say that there are a number of countries in the arab world that reflects some of the same concerns.

the concern about the lack of freedoms, the lack of political reform, the lack of truly free and open elections, the economic stagnation, the impact this is having on unemployment, particularly for the young. i think all of those factors are at play in a number of nations across that region. all of which means we have to pay a great deal of atttion. think the traders, the factors that kicked off what happened in egypt could impt other areas. >> thank you. i wonder if we could squeeze in another one. the lebanese parliament has selected a hizbollah-backed candidate. how do you evalue the lebanese prime minister and can he make decisions independent of hezbollah? >> he has publicly stated that he intends to be independent,

but given the realities of political life in lebanon, that remains to be seen. that is obviously something we are watching carefully. perhaps we can discuss this moren closed session. >> i yield back. thank you. >> thank you met, mr. chairman. -- thank you, mr. chairman. you talk about radicalization. could you elaborate a little bit? is it really self- radicalization or is it just one person being radicalized by hers? >> let me ask the director to speak to that. >> congressmen, what has changed more recently is that where as several years back the tended to be some personal contact between individuals to have not become radicalized, is

with the increasing media -- facebook, youtube, -- we have seen individuals being inspired on their own to a greater extent. i think your point is a good one. it is really not self- radicalization. there is still a linkage to the ideology, which is being pushed to the internet and modern communication. >> anybody else? >> i think it is really important -- we have been talking around it -- but to put this in overall context. the reality is that our biggest concern about al qaeda is that they could conduct 9/11 type attacks in this country. i think as a result of the work that has been done by going directly at them, i think we have seriously undermined their

ability to be able to conduct those kinds of attacks. having said that, we are now resorting -- they are now resorting at other ways to come at this country. try to inspire sleeper's to go after lone wolves, inspire magazines to urge people to do what ever they can to do sothing someplace, somehow, someway. that is the nature of the kind of threats we are now dealing with the ccern all of us in this country. it is in that arena where we had the toughest job because while these are less sophisticated, they are tougher to find. >> i would add maybe a little different perspective on this. there are people we single out as self-radicalize years. i think oftentimes they have

issues of frustration and then assume the mantle of some radical philosophy to justify or reinforced taking action against these frustrations which may have to do with their upbringing, their environment, lack of employment, economic frustrations, whatever they are. they gravitate to a radical ideologies. this is fed by the use of the media. i think that reinforces it. i am not so convinced that is the actual instigation of it. i think in the end, it is probably an individual -- an individual case by case basis. >> it was said at some other time that the united states would have to reassess either its relationship or dealings with the muslim brotherhood.

what is this administration's relationship with the brotherhood? >> sir, i think -- i do not know. >> no relationship with the brotherhood. to my knowledge. >> there is no relationship with the muslim brotherhood. there have been out reaches to the muslim cmunity in general, but we are not aware of any direct outreach to these particular organizations. >> why has it not syria fallen into disarray as we have seen in other areas? >> i think assad believes that despite some of the economic

difficulties and challenges in syria that he is connected with the people and that as a consequence he does not have this concern. i do not know that that is a wise judgment, but it appears to be the judgment he has made. it will be interesting in all these countries to see the contagion effect, particularly with the activism of social media. >> i think the reality is that he exercises tremendous control over what happens in syria. the result of that is that there is not the ability to be able to proceed to do the kinds of things we saw happen in other countries. having said that, i think there are some of the same ingredients

that occurred in some of the other countries. i think the potential for that is there as well. >> mr. schiff of california. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i want to clarify something before i ask a question. earlier, there was a comment made -- i support the provision extensions -- that we could get a wiretap on a child pornographer but we could not get a wiretap on a lone wolf. this is not true. if you have evidence of a crime, you can get a wiretap under title 18. if you have evidence of the radiological weapons attack, it can also get a wiretap under title 18. it is comparing apples and oranges. if you have the same evidence of either crime, you can get a wiretap. i think that was a little misleading. i do not think it is accurate to

say you cannot get a wiretap on a radiological bomb case. question is on something different. >> can i respond to that? >> if yes. >> i did not attempt to mislead. but all we were talking about the roping wiretap statute. -- i thought we were talking wiretape rulioving statute. if it was not reached out, we'll still have that capability under title 18. >> regardless, you can get a wiretap under title 18 if you have the evidence. it may be less effective if they are going from phone 2 phone. that would be true in a child pornography case, too. i think it is a little misleading to people that are

no first in this to suggest you cannot get a wiretap in a radiological bomb case. >> you may want to share the divorce between a intelligence based investigation and a criminal based investigation. >> i just wanted to make that point. >> bite -- in no way are we trying to mislead. you can get on the criminal side of the house a number of the capabilities we have on the security side of the house. if you do not get on the national security side othe house, you may be able to get on the criminal side of the house with a much enhanced burden of proof, but you could still get it on the criminal side of the house. it is misleading to make that differentiation. the standard is different on the national security side of the

house that it is on the other si of the house. >> again, i have nouestion. i do not think anyone was trying to mislead. i think for the audiences here today, to suggest in broad terms you can get a wiretap on child pornographers but not against a radiological bomber, that is not correct. what i want to ask about is the report that we received those two sentences to egypt, which i thought was striking given the prominence of egypt, not only in terms of what is dominating the news, but also in terms of the broader issues we are confronting. i think that two developments -- the most discouraging i have seen in the last few years and

the most encouraging. all the discouraging side, you have a governor who was assassinated for speakinout against the blasphemy law. the person who killed him as part of a security detail is being celebrated in pakistan with tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousandof people demonstrating in support of the assassin. that is the most discouraging thing i effort in terms of the battle of ideas in a long time. all the other hand, the most encouraging thing i guess seen in a long time is happening ing it. i know there is a lot of risk, but the potential, i think, is enormous in terms of liberating the arab world from the shackles of authoritarian regimes. they have subjugated the role of women and resulted in the lack of opportunities and pded

fertile ground for terrorism. i wonder, in light of these two very significant things, whether we are missing the force of the treaties? this may get mr. panetta to the commission you're talking about. sometimes things that are out in the open we pay a lot -- we pay lessttention to. i think what is happening in egypt has enormous ramifications in terms of the war on terror. i would be interested to get any of your thoughts on that situation. egypt has broader implications. held shape are other priorities? >> i will ask leon to add to that. there is a stark contrast between pakistan and egypt. of course, pakistan is a sovereign nation which has

certain interest at heart. sometimes our interest, belize, and values converge and sometimes they do not. with respect to what is going on in egypt, this is an yvette. there are potentially gre opportunities to come up with a counter-narrative to al qaeda and its franchisees and what it is espousing. >> i do not think there is any question that this provides a tremendous opportunity to try to move egypt in the right direction. i think the administration and the world for that matter hopes that will be the case. the opportunity is there.

the opportunity for the leadership to be able to reach out to the opposition, to be able to develop the constitutional changes and political reforms that are necessary, and the opportunity to truly develop free and fair elections so that the people of egypt can exercise the same freedoms that we do. that is a tremendous opportunity. and it is one that i think we are taking all the steps possible to try to see what we can do to try to move it in that kind of orderly transition. the problem, as you know, is that when you had these events take place, it becomes very uncertain and oftentimes very unpredictable to try to figure out whether or not those in a leadership role will make the

right decisions at the right moments and whether those who are in the opposition in the demonstrations will be able to exercise the kind of bitter ship necessary in order to ensure this goes in the right -- the kind of leadership necessary in der to ensure this goes in the right direction. it is done right, it will help us a great deal in trying to prote stability in that part of the world. if it happens all wrong, it could create some serious problems for us and the rest of the world. >> mr. king of new york. >> thank you, mr. chairman. director panetta, he said there was no involvement with the muslim brotherhood in this country? >> my understanding of the question was does the administration in the united states have a relationship with the muslim brotherhood, to which i believe the answer is no. >> that also applies to the fbi

obviously. >> yes. as i believe you are aware, we do not have a relationship with them. we continue to have issues with them. we do not have a formal relationship with them at this time. >> if you have an informal relationship with them? >> no, but there are occasions when individuals who may be loosely affiliated with care that we have relationships with. we have no formal relationship, but there are a number of fluid organizaons, depending on where you are in the country. on some occasions we may be with persons to have ongoing issues with care. >> a you concerned at what is happening in egypt could spread throughout the region? does that include morocco? >> i think there are a number of

countries in that region that could be impacted in the same way. >> also, as far as india and pakistan, are there any changes on the kashmir issue? >> there have been efforts to try to reach out between pakistan and india, but as far as i know, they have not gotten anywhere >> recently -- yesterday or today -- they agreed to resume strategic dialogue. if that happens, that would be a movement in the right direction. >> i know nothing can be anticipated, but if the situation in kashmir does improved somewhat will we get mo cooperation? >> i have to say this -- the have provideds

cooperation and have given us -- have worked with us in the efforts to try and go after al qaeda. i appreciate that effort. at the same time, obviously, we worry about the relationship with militant groups and their relationship in terms of the effort with regard to india. if the kashmir area could be resolved, that would help a great deal over all in terms of pakistani security. >> i yield back. >> thank you, mr. king. >> i want to thank the panel for their testimony here today. i want to thank you all for the work you are doing to keep the nation safe. i am very pleased that we have had a robust discussion this morning about cyber security and

vulnerability that we face. as some of you know, i think we have a great deal of work yet to do. i will start with the director and perhaps director miller could comment as well. how do you assess the progress we have made in dealing with the cyber-threat overall? we have set up a cyber-command and have set up defenses with respect to networks. we are working towards protecting the dot-gov network. much of it is in private hands. i want to know if there were a

major cyber-attack on the nation, do we know who is in char and do we have sufficient of parties to actually stop an attack? >> i think we have been working very hard to try to make sure that as a community we are putting together all our capabilities and authority to be able to respond effectively to cyber-intrusion. it does not always clear from whence they come or how they can be attributed. we recently signed an m.o.u. to create a joint unit said that we have an enclave that will allow us to deploy our abilities appropriately and will approve -- will improve our ability to share technology and

information. of course, we will use that in our department's role of sharing that information when appropriate and possible with the private sector and particularly, the critical infrastructure sector that we work with on a daily basis. >> could we stop a major cyber- attacks on the nation today? do we know who is in charge? >> i would say that the administration is working right now on a copper adzes cyber- security strategy. that will allow us to do that. >> the answer is no. >> i think we are in a much better position than we were in. there is much room for progress and improvement in this area. we are working on that with the white house. >> has einstein-story been deployed? >> i do not believe it has been deployed, but i will get back to

you on that for the record. >> i would say thawhat has been in place for a couple of years is a joint task force. it is a hub of identifying and achieving a tax big, large, or small. you have all the relative agencies there. if it turns al to be an attack -- if it turns out to be an attack by a high school student down the street, we will not take that to be a crime. depending on where thettack orinates, you'll have people at the table capable to do that. if it originates in e united states, we would have jurisdiction. if it comes to putting a wall between the attackers and a

particular entity within the united states, the department of homeland security would have a role. we have a focal point that immediately identifies the attack and identifies the focus of that a tag annualizes all the capalities we have to address this. >> regardless of if it is the intelligenceide or the law enforcement side. >> our -- what is our level of progress in being able to protect against an insider threat as it lates to cyber? >> that issue has come to the floor and been reaffirmed by the wikileaks disclosures. within the intligence community, at least, we had a strategy and have embarked on an improvement program to attend to

the insider threat whether it is wikiles or any sort of insider threat. better identification of people who are on networks, patrolling media, and most importantly -- this applies for several purposes -- auditing and monitoring. our progress is uneven at this point. we have embarked on a campaign to police that up, particularly within the intelligence enterprise. the white house as a study group on how to do this across the government. i think your characterization is right. we have made progress, but there is a lot more that needs to be done. >> thank you, mr. chairman.

i yield back. >> the gentlem from new jersey. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. to our panel, at thank you for being here today. to the men and women who served under you in the intelligence committee, our heartfelt thanks for their service to our country. it is difficult and trying situations. the nation owes you a great debt of gratitude. this will be for anyone who might want to attend comment. a few years ago, the issue of piracy seems to resurface with somalia. it appeared at the time that there was somewhat of a disorganized than that was interested in shaking down someone fomoney. we all know the circumstances that developed after that. recently there are some who are

suggesting that terrorist networks that have attempted to become involved with piracy issues from two vantage points. number one, to be able to find money for their terrorist activities. number two, if they cannot shape tell somebody for money, they can create real terror in an incident that they might perpetra. can you comment on that at all? >> you have highlighted a serious problem. there has been no government there since 1991. that is with the pirates are most prevalent. there is some connection in somalia with relation to piracy.

they do obtain revenue from some of these pirate activities. most of it appears to be individual criminal gangs operating to extract money for holding hostage these ships. that is something we are watching. this is a high interest item for the community. would you like to add athing? >> we are worried about piracy in the area. it shows the problematic potential linkage between our share by the -- al-shabab and somalia. we have had a series of americans go to somalia to join it.

>> i am wondering if you can confirm or deny efforts to train a security force to fight piracy? >> it might be best to discuss that in closed session. >> maybe you can test on this. more broadly comedy have any suestions for wha additionally we might be able to do to address this issue of piracy? >> 1 and the challenges with pirate -- one of the challenges with pirate is if you catch them, what do you do with them? convicting pirates turns to be rather problematic.

it is not something that we in the west can do. it is a problem. >> thank you. >> mr. chandler? >> thank you. this is my first opportunity to visit with people in the community as a brand-new member of this community. i want to echo summit these comments -- some of these comments about the war the men and women do for our country. i think you are a true american patriot. you pick your lives on the line. -- you put your lives on the line. thank you very much for all that you do. i reviewed your task as one of the most daunting tasks in any

area of the government or anybody that i can think of anywhere. when you look at all the hot spots, you think about what you are required to do. it is remarkable how you get your arms around in. it is amazing to me. anything we can do to help you keep our country safe, i know everybody here wants to do. it is extremely important. i wish you the best of luck. in terms of asking you questions -- where to start? there are so many thingthat we need to know about. you e now dealing with the middle east. i am particularly interested in and then in -- in a van -- events in yem.

i'm curious the sat is of al qaeda -- in the status of al qaeda. when a failed state in somalia and potentially one in yemen. we are concerned they could become a failed state. i hope not. the region is extremely volatile. i am wondering what we are doing in terms of resources. do we have sufficient resources to understand what we are doing in the horn of africa and yemen? what is the situation there? the second situation is one that makes me nervous. pakistan is extremely crucial to what happens in the rest of the world, what happened in afghanistan. to it is one of the most dangerous places on the planet.

you have a state that has enormous volatility and nuclear weapons. what can you tell us about the security of the nuclear weapons under the control of the state of pakistan? are we in decent shape there? what needs to be done tmake sure the weapons are sick. ? >> thank you very much -- weapons arsecured? >> thank you very much. we appreciate that. a couple of comments about the country's you bring up. it might be better if you want to get into more detail in closed session. probably the president of yemen is facing some profound challenges.

he has some secessionists in h own movement -- country. he has been in place for a long time. they have had demonstrations in the street. he has been an ally of ours, articulately militant and extremists that jeopardize him. in terms of your question about resources allocated, that will be better discussed in closed session. you are right about pakistan. there are a lot of challenges as will. r assessment is that the nuclear weapons and pakistan are secure. that is probably all we should say about that in public. >> i am very happy to talk about it in closed session.

with yemen, two principal concerns. they are continuing to plan and tried to execute from yemen and vince similar to what we sell on december 25 of last year. their effort to speak to english speakers in the west and inspire them to act in our home countries without going to yemen in getting training. in somalia, there are problems as well. al-shabaab is closely aligned with al qaeda on the leadership level rather than al-shabaab and the troops. al-shabaab is launching transnational attacks. they killed 74 including an american during the african world cup. we have a history of several of americans traveling to somalia to fight al-shabaab. they remain focused on the potential for them to ease -- be

used as operatives in the united states. >> thank you. i appreciate it. >> i am sure you are all familiar with the conclusions of the risk report. they expressed a concern of the likelihood of a buyer terror attack that is high. he did a biological terror attack is high -- the likelihood of biological terror attack high. how do you assess that for a globally? do you believe a biological terrorist event remains at or at the top of a threat to nations around the world? >> for there is a clear commitment on the part of al qaeda with a focus on obtaining

chemical or biological weapons. the likelihood of obtaining a biological weapon is more likely than producing a yield producing nuclear device. the likelihood of using a real logical device that does not have the yield might be equally high. the possibility at anthrax has been focused on by the groups in the past. it will continue to be focused on. i think the loan will attacks still stands out as the far more likely event. >> that the threat concerns as a great deal, because oftentimes when it comes to biological and chemical threat we tend to come

in the bight of nuclear -we tend to, and the light of nuclear attacks, not to focus on that element. from an intelligence point of view, we see that al qaeda continues to look at that possibility. that is something we are focused on to insure that they do not develop that capability. in dealing with al qaeda, the likelihood is that they will use anything they can to create terror. that means to have to focus on all of the spot. >> thank you. i will yield back. >> thank you. >> thank you. i want to thank each and everyone if you for your service. i know some of you have been serving this country and protecting us on your adult

life. i want to thank all for that. my question will still with the debt that we have. and then mullien secretary of state had made the comment that r national debt could be one of our national security issues. i would like to ask you to address that. do you think that is a possibility that would -- that could create some problems with that owned country'ies it? ? >> preeti owner this debt?

-- own this debt? >> it does prope a threat to our national security. the allusion that there is a relationship with china. we recognize that we are going to have to play our part to help reduce that debt. i agree that it does pose a huge problem for us. we have to deal with it, in my view. >> i would speak to that more as a former director of the office of management and budget.

that threat of? -- debt and the consequens of that internationally and economically and in terms of the resources we need for the feature, there is no question that irepresents a threat that we should pay attention to. obviously, from an intelligence point of view, our main focus is on al qaeda and the threat they focus to attacking our country. we should pay attention to the threats in this country as well. >> as a foreign policy issue, it is a constant area of concern when we are dealing -- >> can you move youricrophone?

>> it is a topic of discussion in relation to our foreign relations. it is connected to our ability to deal with other countries. it is a top concern. secretary clinton has said that it is something that we have to deal with when we are sitting down with the chinese and other countries. >> thank you. i will yield back my time. >> thank you. . i appreciate the integrity that the brain and your commitment to keeping the american people safe. we are waiting to hear what president mubarak will say to the egyptian people. people in the unite states are paying attention as well. we are nervous about the white a

change to ept -- about what a change to egypt will mean to the region. some will have sympathy to the american peoe and peacen the region and to a commitment to a peaceful relationship with egypt. i am wondering if you can comment on hamas and hezbollah and how you see thempact of the current instability in the yemen, tunisia, jordan, and egypt and the changes we have seen. how do you see that impact in the light that has to look at hezbollah, secretary kate has id -- gates has said has belie is perhaps the best armed of the isanization's -- hezbollah

perhaps the best as of the organization's? ? are we sending from them that they see an opportunity to perhaps enhance hostility with israel at this particular time? if you could also comment regarding the urbanization as well. asian -- is weaponization as well. >> we are watching with great interest to see how it unfolds and whether or not they do have an opportunity to exploit or further their intest or not. al qaeda has had a standoff relationship -- standoffosture

toth respect to outreach an egypt. that is to be determined. they are observing this as we are. they are looking for opportunities to further their interest. you highlighted hezbollah rightfully so. they are very well armed. they also an attempt -- and tend to raise social needs of their people. -- attend to the social need of their people. they are arming themselves. they have extensive vessels. that poses a threat to israel. >> there is no question that the people at this table is

confronting terrorism and all its forms. we have talkin do we have talked about al qaeda and all of the different verse -- we had talked about al qaeda end of the different versions. there are other terrorist groups that threaten this country. you have identified those that we are worried about. hezbollah is a terrorist group that clearly h ties to iraq as as hamas and the others. our concern is that ron -- iran could impt the stability of that region. hezbollah is ll armed. it has exercised its eerie -- experience on what is happened in the 11 non -- in lebanon.

this is a way we have not seen as much in the past. we think they are exercising greater influence today. they do have weapons that can impact in otherreas in that region. it did a group that we pay a lot of attention to. -- it is a group that we pay a lot of attention to. you have identified the group's that -- groups that the intelligence community has to pay attention to. >> the only thing i would add is that i think hamas is the one that is most immediately affected anby a ditch imprisons.

-- by egyptian prisons. we can talk more about that in closed sessions. >> this may not be wise for this session, but i would appreciate getting more information on your assessment as to the number of rocket and capabilities of hezbollah as well as the ground troops assessment. thank you. i yield back. >> thank you. i offer my sincere thanks. thank you predicting -- i think you -- thank you. you reference the potential threat caused by the health

infrastructure vacuum in certain countries and extremist groups. how would you characterize the severity of this thread? what recommendations would to have to combat this threat? >> the threat posed by the provision -- quite the threat of the extreme and -- quite the threat of the extremist groups and the help vacuum. lth that team. >> hezbollah and tends to this. it solicits a positive response. that is one of the things that the muslim brotherhood does in egypt. that is not under the guise of an extremist agenda.

they can pursue other social services on behalf of the citizens. it is not have a view with promoting violence. this is something we try to watch. this illicits something we have to monitor. >> the only organization i would add -- they have an enormous presence in pakistan providing medical service and education. they have gained support from the government of pakistan. it is also a terrorist group responsible for killing six american in mumbai and many

indians. >> are there any recommendations on how to minimize the threat? >> one way is to either to a plea attempt competing services -- to provide competing services or supported the nation state in areas they operate to provide similar services. they fill a vacuum that the state does not provide. >> let me comment that in dealing with terrorism and al qaeda and g. heileman -- and jihad, we try to do everything we can to make surehat we did

able their leadership and control and operations. one of the things we have to pay attention to is the larger message that goes out that attract people to jihadis. people to pay attention to delivering this kind of services. the united states has to be smart enough so we are competing in the same arena. we are not going to be dealing with the fundamental problem that inspires the high -- jihad. >> thank you very much for your open testimony. one and thebe th chances for the american people to look at the business of intelligence and the american people.

we will reconvene. we are running a little bit behi. we will work hard to be out at 1:30 p.m. -- to be out at 1:30 p.m. the will reconvene there. we will get under way. >> remarks from this hearing drew some attention. he called the egyptian group the muslim brotherhood "largely secular." after the hearing, a spokesman told abc news that he is well

aware the muslim brotherhood is not a secular organization. more on the house intelligence committee in a moment. first, we want to tell you about some of what we're covering today in our other channels. on c-span and2, live coverage of the cpac conference. that gets under way at 9:00 a.m. eastern. on c-span 3, treasury secretary tim geithner will be speaking at the brookings institution about fannie mae and freddie mac at 9:30 a.m. eastern. >> in about 45 minutes, we will talk with house intelligence committee chairman mikeog