was doing was -- i said at one time there are too many mosques that don't cooperate with law enforcement. i think the testimony today backed that up. not that that there are too many mosques in america. >> sheriff, a little earlier you heard the association that care warns people any need to have a lawyer before they talk to law enforcement. do you feel like that your jurisdictional residents whether they're muslim, jewish, christian, should have to have a lawyer before they talk to you or one of your sheriff deputies to inform you about something they see as being a potential problem? >> no, i don't personally believe they should take that initial step. so to answer your question, no. >> do you believe your sheriff deputies, when out interacting in the communities and doing their community policing and talking with merchants and individuals should, before they talk to them, warn them they have the right to an attorney before they talk to the sheriff's deputy? yes or no? >> if we have a suspicion that they're about to commit a crime,

then -- >> then yes? >> there is only so many questions you can have before you have to advise them of their constitutional right. that's one of the key fundamental points here. >> but what i'm talking about, just interacting with the community. not pursuing a crime, or a suspect. but, you know, a lot of information that your deputies get are from interactsith folks out on the beat. i want to make it sure -- make it known that i don't think they have to have an attorney to talk -- to talk with residents. when they're just finding out how things are going. and that was the assertion i see getting a little while ago from the gentle lady from california's questions. we don't want our young people, our residents to feel like they have to be afraid of law enforcement in this country. if you're being investigated for a crime, it is different. but st to talk with law enforcement, i don't think an attorney is required, i don't think you would want to have that requirement to be able to do your job or your deputies do their job. i'm real interested, mr. jasser, dr. jasser, what do you

specifically think thatou should see done in an organized fashion that would help the muslim community begin to work to more self-police, the very small radical agents or elements of the community. because i agree, the overwhelming majority of muslims are law abiding, good americans and i don't want to paint them with a broad brush. but still, there is that small element in the community that is radicalizing. what would you like to see happening in an organized fashion curb that? >> well, i can tell you that i look upon this no different than we did the cold war. and that we need to start putting resources, we need to develop public private partnerships, we need to stop using the lowest hanging fruit that exists already as islamic groups in washington, not that they're all islamist, but many of them are. but the ones that are not typically are much less funded, much less endorsed or supported by media, government, et cetera. we need to start creing platforms like this for america

to see we're diverse population, that we're not all represented by the victim mongering groups and other groups that many of us take our responsibility as americans seriously. so we need to create a kitchen cabinet, if you will, of strategy, that homeland security is not just a crime problem, what is what you've been hearing, it is a crime poblem and we need to work on the ground. that's important, but homeland security is much more than that. as prime minister cameron said, we not only have to get rid of the violence, but the pooln which the violent radical swim. and we need to drain that. that's going to need a generational posture that we build institutions based on liberty, within the musl community, so we can build forward platforms for forums for debates. we'll do the theological reform, you help us put resources doe midwest abica domestically into institutions. >> sheriff baca, you stated the

hearing is worthwhile and you've been working on this for a long time even before 9/11, and you mentioned earlier you have an annual forum on the counterterrorism. what would you like to see happen from the organized standpoint that would better facilitatehis flow of information from the muslim community about potential problems within that community? >> well, like my colleagues in the national sheriffs association and the major city chiefs assoction, which i'm a member of, and these are all the key elements of local law enforcement leadership, to have a little more concentration on coordinating our joint regional intelligence ceers. we are currently sharing some of the things that i've testified to and my deputies are going throughout the country on an individual basis. but if there was a way that we could develop best practices within the law enforcement community, and their federal government combined, on a continuum of training, we go to different places throughout the country to help each other. and i have to give high cret

to the department of homeland security for what they're doing. but i would focus on continuing what we have already established. a lot of wk has been done by this committee. we're not starting anew here. we're fine tuning as i see this. and listening to other ideas. but if you could look at a subcommittee, which i know you have, which would allow for my colleagues to come in, and talk in a prepared manner about these suggestions, i tnk you would have a better idea as to what local law enforcement needs. >> thank you very much. i yield. >> the time of the gentleman is expired. the gentle lady from texas is recognized for five minutes. >> i thank the gentleman very much and i want to thank personally all of the witnesses that are here today. i respect the fact that you are here, sheriff baca, we have worked together, we have visited. i thank you you so very much for your presence here today. but i'm reminded of someone, proverb now quoted by sheila jackson lee, cleaning a dirty

kitchen. you can't clean it with dirty water. there are no redeeming factual information that we will receive today that can add to the abhorrence that all of us have on terrorism in the united states of america. we don't disrespect the witnesses. at least i do not. but, you see, it already has been tainted, this hearing. there are no loud sounds of reasoning that are coming through this hearing. the reason is because it i already been classified as an effort to demonizend to castigate a whole broad base of human beings. i cannot stand for that. and i brought with me thea livi document. the first amendment allows us the freedom of religion. the freedom of association, and expression.

but i will tell you today that this breathing documt is in pain. we could have had a hearing that spoke about any number of issues of terrorism. we might have gone back to the cold cases of the civil rights movement, acts of terror. we might have tried to understand whether the klansman still roam today and terrorize individuals in parts of this country. maybe we would have found out what those who are opposed to the jewish faith are doing to jewish communities and synagogues, no matter what their religion. maybe we would go an question muslims who are hovering and scared because someone might suggest that they too are someone who is eager to do terrorist acts. we would be better off if we would have a hearing speaking about the importance of human intelligence, funding for the elements of the department of homeland security that can work on human resources to be able to hear from individuals who do want to engage and help this

country promote its values. mr. jasser, may i just ask, are you a muslim? >> i'm a devout muslim who prays and fasts and tries to raise my kids to be conservative orthodox muslims, yes, ma'am. >> thank you. are there any other muslims on the witness table? and that is mr. bihi? >> the rord will acknowledge mr. bihi is raising his hand. >> thank you very much. the reason i ask that question is because muslims are here cooperating. they are doing what this hearing has suggested that they do not do. it is an irony an outrage that we are wasting time when muslims are sitting before us, a muslim is on this panel, a muslim has testified, and so i question where are the uncooperative muslims? let me quickly put in the record another aspect of mr. magdanoa's statement that our chairmans with so eager to ote and suggested he whisper to him to have this hearing. millions of americans find

communit comfort and support in their faith that includes president obama, who is a christian. so today reminds us that being religious is never un-american. being religious is quintessentially american. god bless america. then i would simply suggest another comment here saying president obama recognized through our words and deeds we can either play into al qaeda narrative and messaging or we can challenge it and there by undermine it. we're determined to undermine it. this hearing today is playing into al qaeda right now around the world. it is diminishing soldiers that are on the front line that are muslims. those who lost their lives. and it is going the same route of an arizona and other states. sheriff baca, one quick question to you, please, can law enforcement find friends in diverse communitys? have you been able to solve problems by developing an

understanding, an arab officer, hispanic officer, an aican officer, an african-american officer, sir, or an anglo officer that happens to be from portugal or happens to have the ability to speak toomeone from the balkans who is here in the united states? is that a positive form of law enforcement? >> yes, it is. and we have the ability to reach all minorities within the county of los angeles and sergeant michael dean, who is here, he can stand up, he's the sergeant -- he's a muslim, he's the sergeant of our muslim affairs outreach. >> thank you. thank you very much. >> all members and g >> the time has expired. >> it is an outrage. >> time has expired. >> it is outrageous.

>> the gentleman from texas is recognized. >> that is quite an act to follow. as we talk about the constitution and the preamble talks about providing for a common defense and this act -- and that is what this committee is all about. it is unfortunate that some have attempted to mischaracterized this hearing as an attack on american muslims. let me be clear, it is not this committee that is doing bad but al qaeda. that is targeting an attacking our muslim youth as evidenced by the testimony. in the past two years, there have been 27 terror plot said each of them involve extra radicalization of the muslim faith. this is not to say that all moslems are a threat. to the contrary, the moderate moslem is our greatest allies in fighting recruitment of muslim youth. in the cases of our witnesses,

these indications included conversations with the greatest threat to the united states today. to ignore the threat of radical islamic extremism in the name of political correctness presents a serious threat to the american people. the attorney general and janet napolitano have testified that the web sites pose serious threats to the united states for i understand the importance to coordinate out bridge between law enforcement and the muslim community. i am very concerned there are organizations out there speaking for the muslim american community telling them not to coordinate with the fbi and law

enforcement as evidenced by the poster we saw. i hope we can begin the dialogue and ask the necessary questions. i want to read from senator lieberman's letter to john brennan, the assistant to the president for a homeland security. he said violent islamic extremism is offensive an contradicts thousands of years of accepted military and intelligence doctrine to know your enemy. we have to know our enemy. it is radical islam, in my judgment. i would like to ask mr. bledsoe, your children were kidnapped by these mosques. they were sent overseas and their lives were destroyed. have these two mosques done

anything to repair the relationship? have they apologized? did they say they would change their practices? >> i will speak first. no, i have not heard from a mosque at all. we are not talking about, all moslems. we are talking about islamic rattle -- radicalization. i want to make that clear because that is a difference. i have muslims in my family. i'm stuck in the middle. we are not talking about all moslems. we are talking about the ones who are hiding behind the moderate muslims. they are the ones who are a threat to america and a threat to our babies and a threat to the children and they are a danger of. >> into the mosque's know they

are responsible for the radicalization of your son? >> they know. they are waiting around to do it again to someone else's child. that is why i am here today to make sure the american people are listening. i hope you'll learn something from this. i don't think any other child or parent in america should have to go for what i am facing today. >> i agree with that. as the mosque that rattle -- radicalize your nephew apologized and or take responsibility? >> no, never. as a matter of fact, they called us names like infidel. none of the islamic organizations have helped get

the somalis-american families out of this situation. these families were hurt. they don't care. there are no organizations. none of them ever helped. they call us liars. >> you appeared in the last congress. >> your time has expired. >> i will follow-up with a written question. >> thank you. i would like to ask unanimous consent that a copy of the following item be submitted for the record. one would be a text of the attorney general interview and the sec would be a letter sent to you on march 9 of 2007. without objection?

>> without objection. >> mr. chairman, the members of this committee had experienced the events more -- of 9/11 more than you have very based on those experiences and the inception of this house committee, the chairman and ranking member have produced tangible results and because of that work, i have made every effort to serve on this committee. unfortunately, as a member, i vehemently oppose the narrow approach this committee is taking in this hearing. i was born in the 1960's. my elementary history class showed me shocking thumbs of american leaders in the 1940's and 1950's disgracefully violating the principles of which this country was founded. the only difference history will say today is that those shows were in black and white and this one now is in color. discrimination is the treatment or consideration of or of making a distinction in favor of or against a person or thing based

upon a group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on its individual merits. when elected officials or public servants are sworn in for duty notuded with the oath is to abuse the power given. the improper use of authority by someone who has that authority is at issue. i believe the narrow scope of this hearing is discriminatory and is an abuse of power. research by the congressional research center has spoken. we saw a chart that spoke about muslim + but it did not talk about the 44 non-muslim plots which are more than double what we have seen other extremists. according to the institute of a homeland security solutions, al- qaeda and the allied movements were responsible for 26.7 domestic terror attacks.

whitesid promised accounted for 23.3%. that is greece -- white supremacists accounted for 23.3%. the house judiciary committee and house energy and commerce committee have not investigated other religious groups or their leaders for failing to cooperate with law enforcement that may have allegedly caused mental or physical harm to children. clearly, this committee is setting a dangerous precedent in trading one religious group different than another. thereby calling into question this committee's actions and whether those actions violate this country's laws and principles. mr. chairman, i would like to reference the attorney general's actual interview. the interview when mr. holder said that it's one of the things that keeps me

up at night, holder said, you didn't worry about this even two years ago, about individuals, about americans. he never said muslim americans. also, we need to point out that in 2007, and i won't say people by name because i do respect my colleagues, itwas said in reference in a political article, too many mosques are in this country, there are too many people sympathetic to radical islam. nothing reference to cooperation. in this committee hearing on february 9, 2011, it was said in this hearing we've got to focus on those people who harm us. it's the islamic extremists. these are dangerous ings. now, i also want to point out a reference that wasn't talked about in this hearing, i asked michael leader, the national counter terrorism center director, i asked him specifically, what percentage of the people being looked at by your agency for domestic terror

threats were muslims? his answer for the record, it is absolutely tiny, a my minute percentage of muslim population that is looked at. finally mr. chairman, i would like to ask my sheriff for the record because the whole cause of this hearing was to say there was a lack of cooperation, sheriff baca, you talked about what you do. tell us what the muslim community does? do they fail to initiate and cooperate with you? >> it's a very, very good question to ask. i think what we have here is a perspective that i believe has to be widened in terms of who are the muslims that cooperate, and i believe that musls are cooperating much more outside of organizations as well as inside organizations. we have both. you can't look at this perspective of who's cooperating based on organizations alone. the truth is that muslims are just as independent, just as feisty, just as concerned about

with safety, theyertainly don't want their homes or mosques blown up and there be as individuals they have been doing things with local law enforcement without cover so to speak of an rganization. even with the organizational effort, what i see is a merging confidence in the muslim community, particarly in los angeles and i think it's true in new york to a degree, through my contacts with muslims even in new york, that people are getting more realizing to the point that police aren't out to mess around with them, that there basically is this primary focus on prevention, and we have spent a lot of energy locally in these joint regional intelligent centers just to prevent stuff from happening at its earliest possible point. the truth of it all is that we're as a nation doing relatively good, we're not going to eliminate this possible problem. but as a nation we' getting

better andetter and better, and this is why i'm here. i don't -- particularly think these hearings can be negative totally. i believe they have a potential to keep the public involved in this discussion which will further lead to better solutions and the robustness of the opinions will say that everyone's entitled to say what they are saying. that's what i'm taking from this hearing. >> the time of the gentle lady is expired. the gentleman from florida is recognized for five minutes. >> thank you. i appreciate it. i thank the witnesses for being here and testifying. i'll get into the questions. terrorist organizations have become increasingly adept at using the internet and social media to recruit, inspire, motivate individuals, already in the united states to carry out attacks their behalf. and this question is for mr. jasser, sheriff baca, but others wish, you are free to respond as well. one such website that has been

described as key to al qaeda's communications was hosted by a web hosting company in my area of tampa bay in the state of florida, the site has since been taken down. what are your thoughts on how to combat the use of the internet and other technology by terrorist organizations overseas to inspire and inspire terrorist attacks in our country by those already here? >> congressman, that's a wonderful question. and i thi it points to the fact we have not had any type of cyber counter jihad if you will. why, because that can only be done by muslims so we need your support to do that and key can do with it the right resources by countering that ideology. the narrative says that america is against muslims, it creates this that america is going to iraq, to convert, kill them, attack them. that's the narrative. we can present our strategy so far has been try to break down that propaganda. that's wrong.

we need to have a forward strategy o liberty minded freedom nded ideas into the islamic consciousness. we can do that as muslims but we need your help through websites, social network. look what happened in egypt and tunisia through social networking and that countered a lot, that wasn't islamists that did that. most was secular muslims that waed to take control of their future. when we have a government that produces a report and after the hassan iident and the word muslim or islam or jihad isn't in the document, you wonder why we are so paralyzed in treating this, i as a muslim i need this conversation. if we're going to fix this cancer that's within, the whole viable wonderful beautiful faith that i practice, we need to be able to talk about it. it's like trying to treat cancer without saying the word. it's not islam, but it's jihadism, islamism, a political entity we can fight on the web but we've been absent. we surrendered the constitution

to the jihadists. >> sheriff. >> yes. the sheriff's department, as you know, and the lapd along with federal and state partners runs this regional intelligence center which is an open source investigative arm. but we moisted it into the terrorism task forces when we deal with specific things such as cyber terrorism and these websites. we monitor them, some points they get shut down and other times we monitor them and continue to monitor them because it is an excellent source for what would later become an actual investigation. so there is a broader strategy that is involving all of our levels of government in this website issue. >> thank you. my next question for the panel -- >> please do. thank you. >> lately we have been seeing

the excuse that there are recruiters for these kids. they are recruited by the internet, by the cyberspace. i do not believe that there is a kid that getsp in the middle of the night and just walks into the computer, logs on to a jihadist or al qaeda website and decides the next day to fly in and explode themselves. that's very weak excuse. the radicalization process or the brain washing process takes years. there must be somebo onhe ground exploit this kid, what he's angry is, what are his weaknesses. like if there is no father f there is no mentor, if they are smart, if they are weak so the process takes forever. internet one of the last tips to do land courses, to educate yourself into academic level of being gone. thank u.

>> thank you. you want to add something? >> i have no comments. >> very good. my next question for the entire panel, i don't have a lot of time, what demographics have demonstrated to be particularly susceptible to extremist recruiting efforts within america, to what extent are youth and universities particularly at risk for t entire panel? >> i'll jump in quick and tell you that that's why we focused our muslim liberty program on ults 15 to 30. young muslim adults in this country, 15 to 29, 25% thought there was maybe some justification for suicide bombing. that is not typical of the general population of muslims, it's a demographic that we need to target, need to look at figure out because their minds are shaped, being pulled as prime minister cameron said it's an identity problem. they are not identifying with this nation. we need to renew what this country stands for ux bring them

in so as muslims they feel american and that will inoculate them. >> the time expired. the gentleman from louiana, mr. richmand for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you ranking member. i would say that earlier we heard quotes from members from the fbi director, and we heard quotes from eric holder. there is a blues song that says if you tell it, tell it all. what we didn't hear quoted was the fact that the fbi director said home grown extremists and lone wolf activity are a serious a threat to the homeland as al qaeda and its affiliates. that's not what this hearing deals with. we also heard from eric holder that the cooperation of muslims and communities has been absolutely essential in identifying and peventing terrorime expired. the gentleman from louisiana, mr. richmand for five minutes.

>> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you ranking member. i have. and i will no only say that i think to focus on just the muslim community is wrong, i will offer that we could have had another hearing today but some of the same witnesses and mr. bledsoe and mr. bihi i think there are a number of families that are suffering your same pain and i pray for you and for them also. but we could have had a title of a hearing that simply said wat is driving passive and activist americans to being militant and extremists? th covers the broad rainbow and spectrum of what's going on in this country without singling out a particular group. here's some very pointed questions. especially mr. bledsoe and mr. bihi first. do you agree that part of the propaganda they use to reskrut that america, the narrative, as dr. jasser said, the narrative

is that america is at war with islam? >> no. i don't agree so much with that. i think that they use it to recruit as well to say american doesn't appreciate african-americans and that's one of the i think the reason you find a lot of african-american being recruited because they can use that as a weakness. >> thank you. >> sir, thank you for your question. to the particular group of the somali american which is a large group, dealing with the main thing, the main victims are somali victims in somali. it's also part of the american heritage and other worlds including the muslim world leaders, so to shed light on this, these people have a target

to use these kids not only >> after the committee hearing, some of the witnesses along with the chairman spoke with reporters. this is 25 minutes.

>> we should have had these hearings before. we have not had anything like

this. this is necessary to get facts out of the table and to hear from members of the community as to what they go through when they want to raise the voice of moderation in the muslim community and the difficulties they have. i think the chairman did a good judge allowing them a platform so they could be heard and hopefully, we can go on from this and receive other testimony and see what is appropriate for us to do to enable those in the muslim- american community to be able to stand for what they really believe. >> i want to thank the chairman for his courage to set this hearing. this is a political hearing that was needed. we need more of the series. we broke a barrier down today. the american people will hear

just exactly what we need to do in this country to defeat terrorism and promote welfare between people in this country. we have brave individuals a testified today, americans and stood up before the public and told the facts and untrue that i commend these witnesses for what they did and i thank them very much. >> let me just say that now that this hearing is over, hopefully, the media would look back on the mindless hysteria that has occurred over the last two or three weeks and not in the future rely on what opponents who do not want these people to be heard. the hysteria and madness leading up to this hearing did nobody much good. it did not reflect well on those reporting it.

i want to thank the witnesses from the bottom of my heart for their courage and a knowledge and passion they bring to this. dr. johnson. >> >> thank you. and what we should all gain from this is this is the beginning of a conversation. as somebody loves my faith and i do this from an aspect of not thinking there is anything more pro-muslim than helping us to figure out radicalization and knowing it there is a process. we want to begin the process of healing that that policy that exists that is in the minority. this needs a national conversation and platforms like this and others and it needs a political will to deal with it. it needs a patient and understanding and thoughtful communication process that does

not label anyone that discusses the as being hateful and understands there are those "-- those of us within the community that want to deal with this but have not had the resources or the platforms to do so. thank you for the opportunity and i hope this is the beginning of a national conversation. >> i want to thank you for coming in and giving me an opportunity on this platform to talk to the american people and to the world. i'm an ordinary businessman, an ordinary citizen, but i don't understand why we have so much fear of talking about what israel. is real. it is a real threat to america breaking into my house but it is at your doorstep and we need to talk about it. if i could have reached out and save another child from what my son went through, i do not think my trip to washington would not

be worth while today. >> today is my happiest day. for 2.5 years, i have been demonstrating with loudspeakers, talking to people, knocking on doors, to turn out more families and empower them so they can ask for their loved ones. thanks to our chairman and the committee. i came to the chambers today to speak for the mothers that were intimidated, lied to, and their loved ones or stolen. i think this will empower muslim-americans. and removet easily the fake leadership that pressures them to be silent and be quiet. the victims for all the peoples

seeking justice and liberty and the right to speak up, thank you. >> do you have any questions? >> [unintelligible] [inaudible] >> care was named as an unindicted co-conspirator. the fbi director as ordered members of the fbi not to deal with them. i hope the local law enforcement will realize the danger that care presents i hope the media will report this as a group that was it named as an unindicted co-conspirator. at least give them some of the analysis and critique they give to people like me when i scheduled a hearing. hopefully dr. jassa has said

this will empower people in the moslem community. they need leaders to step for a represent and modern islam and want to come to terms with the united states the way rank and file moslems do and not allow a group like c.a.r.e. to be their spokesman. >> [inaudible] >> when we can reflect on what they have done and not done is a way to get that to the american people. our hearing today was informative and educational and hopefully it will have consequences in the muslim- american community. >> some say you're not addressing the real cause. [inaudible] [unintelligible]

they are already brainwashed. [inaudible] are you addressing the symptoms rather than the cause of the problem? >> part of a democracy is you don't calorie out terrorist attacks -- you don't carry out terrorist attacks if you disagree with american policy. we try to say that if you are part of american society, you have an obligation to abide by the laws of that society at work within it and i'll look for excuses to justify murder and carnage the way too many people have done when it comes to terrorist attacks. >> as i said in my testimony, i think we are giving too much credit to one organization. there are a number of issues but one of the main is his

understanding to root cause. the radicalization has been focused on violence. we called violence and extremism. there's a long process before that. we need to walk it back to that separatism and the identity issue. we have not addressed that and how to. -- creek -- helped muslim's creed and ideology rooted in this country and create process for that. there are issues that these groups make for terrorism and the root cause is the mentality that these individuals have in foreign policy issues and use that as an excuse. >> you said you overcame political correctness at this hearing. what is the next concrete step after this hearing? will the party leaders embrace this in the house? >> i have received nothing for

support from the party leadership. they knew where i was going when i was elected committee chairman. i said i would make this a main priority of mine. this is the person i series of radicalization hearings. we have to move forward and it takes a lot of effort and we're careful about how we prepare for these hearings. we could expect hearings in the future on discussions of radicalization in society and the present system. >> [inaudible] people have specific stories. what facts did you produce from this? these are anecdotes. >> what we showed in a major american city wary of 20 young men who are missing that virtually nobody in the leadership of the committee step toward. it showed how those who were victimized were victimized again

by their own leaders. that was very significant. we showed how the process of radicalization is not just one person. it showed how sophisticated the process was. it is part of the overall narrative. these are not just incidental cases. i asked if these are anecdotal or systemic. i would rely on the testimony of dr. jassa. why did it take until now? why is no national muslim leader denouncing what happened in minneapolis? how is care allowed to get away with this? i think the hearing today brought this out. it's a big great purpose. >> the purpose of the hearing today was to inform and not to in flame. if you listen to today, we did not have and it does, we have evidence of two specific cases

which give us guidance as to the problem we see and that is -- has so far been to hit in. we have people crying out and saying they are not getting this support they need, one thing it indicates is that the vast majority of a freedom-loving muslims in america are subject to intimidation by some within their community and some without. our purpose today was to give a platform to those freedom- loving moslems, the vast majority of muslims in america and know that not only will they be heard but we will stand with them. >> is there a muslim organization that you would nominate to be representative of this kind of campaign? >> it is not for me to pick a organizations such as the one that dr. jassa belongs to.

this is something to be determined within the american- muslim community. as someone comes from an area that lost part thousands of people on september 11, a group would show me what is most compatible as far as trying to address the internal issues and how that plays out as far as the american public is concerned. dr. jassa has a lot of work to do. from my perspective, that is the case. as far as this meeting being anecdotal, we spent months preparing for this hearing. we interviewed dozens of witnesses all over the country. the three we brought together today, we thought crystalized what we learned from talking to these many witnesses. that was the purpose of the hearing today. i forget was successful and the fact that all of you are still

here, i guess it went ok. >> [inaudible] [unintelligible] is this an assassination of moslem leadership without due process? >>c.a.r.e. was named as an unindicted co-conspirator. they have their name moved from the indictment. they said there was more than sufficient evidence to keep them listed. i did not say this. the fbi director, mr. mueller, has ordered the fbi not to cooperate with c.a.r.e. because

of its radical ties. >> would be a program for them to enter these accusations? >> there is more than opportunity to get their position now. for.r.e. doesn't lack opportunity to get their message out to the american people. mr. allison is a muslim-american member of congress and works with c.a.r.e. so he is able to articulate that view. >> are you worried that this hearing may have a subliminal impact on people in their view toward muslims? >> i would hope not.

the members of the committee and the way we have conducted ourselves on the way the hearing was conducted today, there is no reason for anyone to worry about any impact. if there should be an impact, it would be the mindless hysteria that invaded the media over the last couple of weeks. if we have to worry, the accusations and hysteria that pervaded the air waves is the issue. in a democracy, i believe that putting the facts on the table is the best way to address these issues. there is an elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about it and we talked about it today. >> [inaudible] allow the muslim members of the panel to respond to your question? >> do you feel there has been a

diversity of ideas from muslims in america over the past few years? had they appeared to be monolithic and a one mindset? you learn today that there is diversity. there are other groups that are not part of the brotherhood desk type movements that are american moslem organizations like mine that has similar ideology is better looking for reform and modernization and we are not a monolithic community. there's nothing more pacifying to any type of behavior in america that might be more rational and to see diversity in the moslem community. ng, actually.calmi >> in minnesota, the families

that have been taken back to somalia, we have not seen one single islamic organization include c.a.r.e. that came forward to help you. they are lying. we have an islamic organization like c.a.r.e. were muslim families are saying that their children have been recruited. no, nobody has urged us to speak out. we have done a great job to speak here and talk with the american public and the world and tell them these are not muslim bashing hearings. these are hearings that i, as a

moslem and all the muslim- americans, somali-americans, will benefit to have a voice and speak up. nobody is a mystery may. is mistreating me. thank you. >> [unintelligible] >> they are telling the african- american youth that they are not appreciated in america of. they say they want to reach out to you. that is what the use to recruit african-american youths. i have family members who are moslem and have been for over 30 years. many worship and study islam. they are not radicalized.

they are hardworking citizens and i embrace that. thank you. >> is that it? any more? we'll have more hearings over the next year-and-a-half as long as i am chairman. the nice one should be several months from now. it would probably be on radicalization of the american prison system. our staff is exhausted and i want to thank the staff did a phenomenal job interviewing witnesses and flying around the country, going through transcripts and going above and beyond the call of duty. i want to thank them. we'll start getting ready for the next hearing several months from now. it will probably be on radicalization of muslim americas in the prison system. that is subject to change. we are in a world where emphasis changes from day to day. right now, that is the best bet.

>> are you treating the muslim- american community as one single monolithic? isn't this a somalian issue? people call you the majority of the 20th century. >> -- people call you the mccarthy of the 20th century. >> look at the hearing today. i challenge anyone to find anything that was improper about the hearing was not done a professional way. we actually had three members not even on the committee, democrats, allowed them to said. i heard keith ellison and gave him unlimited time to speak. there is no monolithic muslim community. there is a somali community and many others. that is why we have docked jassa here today.

we want to fund the diversity with doctors jassa. >> you have tried to make the distinction that this is about terrorism and violence and not about religion. you have said that moslems are not intellectually prepared for make religious standpoint. how are you going to keep this discussion from not going into theology? are we going to start seeing congress investigating islamic theology? >> that is a great question. there are problems in sharia as far as separate muslim state. i have said that. i will not be the intellectual

to separate mosque and state in the sharia. the four schools of thought that i practice, if you'll look at the government, crime, criminal activity, the way to that woman's vote gets in court -- >> that is in traditional scriptures. >> the traditional schools of thought need to reform that. we need to create platform. as the root cause of terrorism is the separation. i don't see why our government cannot get into allowing muslim organizations the platforms to do that. it is not that the government will do the reform, muslims will do it. if we keep having terrorist threats and acts that may happen, the political will make change to where government ends up getting involved in appropriately. that is why i am so motivated to do this. we don't fix it, government may

end up doing it and that would be wrong. i think we can build platforms to do that. the prime minister talked about great britain during the same thing, a muscular liberalism and to the muslim mindset and identifying with british ideas. i don't think that is inappropriate. >> thank you all very much. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] >> the homeland security committee chairman peter king said a hearing yesterday was the first a series of hearings on homegrown radicalization and muslim american communities. you can see the hearing thursday on our website, c-span.org/video library. the house is working to change the national flood insurance program. the head of fema will testify on capitol hill about the program. that is live at 10:00 eastern on cspan 3. later, president obama will hold a press conference and is

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