i have already mentioned the lead judges in the court -- the model court project. one thing that we do, we collaborate. i have medical schools working with cook county child protection division. protection division. i have children's memorial hospital, residents rotating through my court for a day trying to understand what we mean by child protection. my judges go to their grand rounds and listen to what happens in grand rounds about broken arms and fractures and taking in the totality of the circumstances before making a determination of how a child has been injured, or whether it is abuse or not. there is a lot of collaboration in the model courts. a big collaboration for us is the chicago public schools. you are speaking with a judge who has gotten off the bench and gone to an iet at a school,

and i will readily admit i had no idea why an iet was or what was supposed to happen there, but someone had to go. one thing i learned when i walk to the door, we speak two different languages. i do not understand what they are talking about in chicago public schools. but through that effort, we had a member of the chicago public schools, in local principal, house in my court house. she has a computer for the chicago public schools, and a core computer. -- court computer. when my judges are trying to figure out where this child's academic history as, what grades they failed, why they failed, how many more credit they need to graduate, i do not have to wait 30 days to have a worker go to the chicago public schools and figure out their system. i call her up to my court room and give her an hour to figure it out and come back down and tell me. things like that, even though we do not have status systems that communicate together, at

least we can figure out ways short of trying to change a whole system around to get the information. i would suggest demanding that courts be collaborative, similar to the model course, is a requirement, because we cannot do this work alone. we have to rely on others. all of us in this room today know that states do not raise children well, no matter how good our core system is, no matter how good our foster care system is. families raise children, and we have to figure out ways to treat our families and children more holistic play. -- more holistically. i would suggest this is one way to do that. we talk about domestic violence. we cannot do this work alone. we have to rely on others. all of us in this room know that states do not raise childrenno matter how good our systemwe have to figure out ways

to treat our children and families more holistic play. i would suggest that this is one way to do that. talking about domestic violence. i would admit to you, this is kind of a duh, as my nephew says. we were taking the perpetrators out of the home in domestic violence situations and charging the custodial parent with failure to provide adequate support or supervision. then taking the perpetrator out of the home. one day, we realized that trauma is affecting all of our children. whether we have to remove a child for life preservation, it still produces, for the child. we started taking the perpetrator out of the home and leaving the child and a home. even to the point where it is a we still take the perpetrator out of the home and move the mother to a relative's home. we keep the child with the family unit, as opposed to isolating the child. things that we learned. somehow, we could not figure it out in the beginning. we finally got there. it came from a suggestion from one of our other model courts. we go back to those jurisdictions and share the information. i would suggest that each jurisdiction should charge on domestic violence and figure out ways to address that as

well. we talked about a lot of the court rooms across the city. juvenile justice, child protection, divorce, or child support. we focus on providing services for parents. i would agree that even though my charge is to provide the best interests of children, in cook county all that we focus on is the older adolescents. to the point that, for instance, if i terminated the parental rights of a parent when the child was 3, the risk factors and support factors for a child at 13 are vastly different. what i have done, even though the mother is no longer the legal mother, i have invited her back to my benchmark hearing and put in a lead -- legal relationships of the the -- a legal guardianship, so that the department has a way to funnel funds. gymnastics, maybe, but funneling funds back to that

relationship. at 13, i am not asking mom to get off drugs. if she does, great, but what i am doing, looking at what you do -- but i make sure that my 13-year-old knows how to navigate mom. if mom is ok or if mom is drugging. it is no different than my children in foster care. we have to teach them how to navigate the bad parts or not so positive parts of their family. i would hope that we could find a home and a family. but if i cannot, at least give them the tools that they need to be able to find their way through. the talk about the gaps. i would suggest cross training as an absolute answer. it is no longer sufficient for me to learn how to make determinations from the bench.

and need to understand what a spiral fracture is. when i first came to the bench, they told me that the only way you could get a spiral fracture is from abuse. ladies and gentleman, when doctors tell us that, we believe that, until doctors come in and actually tell us what we need to do and actually trained us. one of the things that i do once a month, i invite a doctor, a psychiatrist, someone from the substance abuse community. that is where we found out the substance abuse providers are starting to use madison. ridgely -- madison. -- medicine. we had no idea about that stuff until we brought them into a court building and started asking them to talk to us directly.

we worked with the police department in chicago, as well as our sheriff's department. trying to find kids the run away from placement. i found numerous opportunities to help me to figure out how to find our kids. my kids go home. they go home. we were able to execute those thing. that is this. in cook county, the national council of juvenile court judges, we would not have been able to do certain numbers, from over 38,000 down to 7000 children in foster care, without raising our rate of recidivism if we did not reach out to the medical field, the education field, or juvenile justice. i would encourage you that when you look at recommendations for court, you do not just look at juvenile justice, you have to look at child support and even paternity court when we talk about siblings. >> thank you. for the record, we did not want

you to stop. [laughter] >> typically speaking, i do not. but i just wanted to be mindful and respectful. >> the attorney did not ask you to stop. >> that is a first. [laughter] >> thank you very much, dr. berkowitz. >> it is an honor to be here. it should not be a surprise that everything i thought i was going to say has been said. maybe that is part of the good thing and part of the bad thing of being in the last panel. as many that testified on the task force are friends, colleagues, and mentors, and as many of you know i was at yale with the doctor for 15 years. so, i have to really a knowledge that over the years. one of the things i was asked

to talk about is the neuroscience of trauma. i am going to do that briefly. but i also want to do -- i did a lot of good writing. in we really have, in terms of neuroscience, probably learned more about the effects of trauma and stress in the last 10 years than by any other psychiatric or neurologic disorder. remarkable. and so, now we know that experience changes the genome. we know how it does that, through the methods of genetics, changing methylation on specific parts of the gene. we changed gene products, which has an impact on brain structure and body structure.

we have to remember that the brain is in charge of everything. anything that affects the brain will affect the body. and that is why, as you have heard time and again, that exposure to violence and trauma early in life, and throughout life, has such negative effects. not only on psychological health, but on physical health and functioning in general. if you look at the data of unemployment and homelessness, 100% of men on death row were abused. so, i think that we really need to understand that very carefully. it is a biological mechanism. we are biological machines. that is how we operate. everything that happens is through a biological process. it is not a surprise that the most exquisitely sensitive

aspect of that process is about survival. trauma is about an attempt to survive. that is what has changed and is regulated when children and adults are exposed to traumatic situations. particularly chronically. i think it is very important to keep in mind that this completely regulated system, we have a brain scan the has brain sizes decreasing. we know about cardiovascular disease, cancer increase in all of these situations. what is interesting to me is when we look at expenditures in terms of treatment and research. for all of the money spent on the diseases that i've talked about, 5 cents is spent on interventions and research, it comes to child,.

-- when it comes to child trauma. when we talk about costs. -- i think that is startling when we talk about costs. sitting next to the judge and hearing about what she is doing in chicago reminds me of what i do not have. in philadelphia today, i sit with children on a daily basis. 50% are in foster care. they have been abused, neglected, shot. most of the kids in foster care have not only been traumatized in multiple ways, but they have been exposed to substances like -- in utero substances like alcohol and other such things. they already come into the world with two strikes against them. my job, and i see our job, as being too and still hope. -- to in still hope.

trauma and traumatized individuals are helpless and hopeless. our guilt -- our goal is to instill hope. i spend more time on the phone with attorneys, child welfare workers -- i wish that the judges would return my calls -- child welfare workers, foster care workers, and i do see patients, because it takes that many people. i can tell you that one of the greatest dilemma is is that we do not speak the same language. we do not have a child as the focus of our language. i would argue that if you want to make a system change, if you really want to change what we are doing, we are all taking a short view. the long view is that we need a new language among all of the child serving agencies. courts, judges, etc., that have the child, human development and trauma-formed understanding at the center of that language.

that is what is going to change things in the long view. that will change the funding in the long view. when we recognize that child maltreatment, trauma, and abuse is the number one public health issue in this country, i think that that is clear. you have heard it time and again. $100 billion was the statement. that does not even include the rates of incarceration, court hearings, so on and so forth as the number one public issue in this country. we need to change the paradigm across the board. one of the dilemmas with this panel is that only the doj is sponsoring this. where is everyone else's sponsorship? should they not be here? should we not talking about how to create that common goal and

common language? we know how to intervene. we have a lot of effective interventions. we have heard about some of them. a wonderful way of thinking about things in the court system, but we do not do it across the country. we do not have that comment, shared language that everyone agrees with. the public defender was wrong. i called her to task on that. and then was asked, after calling her to task, to give a talk about what it means to provide trauma treatment. it winds up that none of the attorneys in the setting actually knew when they were requesting treatment, what it was. i had to teach them what it was. and what really to ask for.

to ask for evaluation, not for treatment. they thought they saw a terrible thing happened, they must have trauma. it does not work that way. not exist amongst all of our various agencies and facilities -- and what not. this is the language that does not exist amongst all of our various agencies and facilities, and what not. it needs to be imbued to change the paradigm. i would argue that that needs to be, throughout the secretarial posts and agencies, at every level of government and community, that we need to be talking about children and families, development from the same perspective. schering and creating a language to allow intervention to grow and be effective.

then the money will come. these things need to be adapted. we have many interventions that -- are affected the weekend news, that can be affected -- that can be detected, and we should not shy away from them. i asked the task force to talk about that as the cornerstone of the foundation of the change that is required in this country. to change what that thing is our number one public health issue. >> thank you, doctor. the >> thank you for the privilege of being here with you. all like to talk about and address -- i would like to talk about changing our response to violence and how we can do that. why do we still need to change our responses, what we're currently doing is not working. what we currently do is that we

separate the victims and offenders and we punish offenders and we do not give them a chance to learn how to do things differently and how to do it better. in fact, when they go into detention, what they do learn how to do is to be better criminals. the research shows that over and over again. what do we do with victims? we do not include them in the justice process. they are isolated. and if they happened have symptoms of post-traumatic stress, which many do, the research shows that they do not seek treatment for it. so victims are often stuck in their sense of victimhood. and they are stuck with this identity of being a victim. so how can we do it differently? in baltimore, for 13 years we have been at the community conferencing center, which they founded, using our restorative justice intervention, which what

we do is that we bring together the victims and the offenders, and their respective family members and supporters, and anybody else who has been involved or affected by the incident -- the person who cleaned up the graffiti, it could be a pastor says support them, a coach, anybody. there is a facilitator. everyone says in a circle and has a chance to do a very radical thing. they get to talk to each other. so those who caused the harm get a chance to say what happened and describe what happened. and then everybody in the circle gets a chance to say how they have been affected by what happened in a very emotional way. at that -- affect -- is fundamental to why this process

is so powerful. offenders begin to take accountability for what they have done and victims get a chance to put out into the extern know what they have been carrying on the inside. everyone gets a chance to learn different things about each other. and once everyone is speaking, we asked a group, what do you want to do to make this better and repair the harm and prevent it from happening again? and then we follow through to see if there is compliance on the agreement. we have used this as an alternative to the rest and incarceration. the more serious, the better. and when i tell you the outcomes, that will help explain why. we have been doing this in schools, in the baltimore city schools as an alternative to stoke -- to school suspension and arrest. to help them with a school to

prison pipeline, which many of you are likely familiar with. 100 students are arrested out of baltimore city schools every month. and we know that it works. there is a lot of research that shows that conferencing, that victims feel much more satisfied when they go through conferencing that they got a corporate offenders meet rigid feel more satisfied, there is even research that shows that victims experiencing post pressed from my -- a stretch,, who went there conferencing, had significantly reduce some sums if they've gone through committee conferencing. let me give you one example of how that would have worked. there was a case the sturtevant facebook -- i wish facebook should fund half of these kinds of programs. >> or google. >> yes. someone made a comment about somebody else's blueprint, and

before we knew it, three girls had jumped two girls and one girl had a broken i saw that. -- eye socket. we had a community conference. what happened is that there were 10 out of 10 incidents that we handle this way. the girls to believe that the other girl's ended up in tears talking about the times that earlier in their lives they were valid. so we get a snapshot of how violence begets violence. whether you're a victim or a parked truck -- or a perpetrator. it becomes a cycle. what all the girls agreed to do and decided to do, figuring out that they would do it there and then, they decided that they would get together after the committee to conference and create a presentation about their experience of bullying. that would give that

presentation not just in their school, but in four other schools. each of the mothers and parents agreed that they would provide transportation and rotate when the girls made these presentations. so there are no longer victims and offenders. there are young people who have made bad choices who have learned how to do it differently. 10,000 people in baltimore have participated in a community conference. 95% of the time they come up with an agreement that they abide by. but not only that, 60% lower rio offending with the kids to go through community conferencing that they went to the juvenile court system. all of one-tenth the cost of going to court. the maryland department of juvenile services, with its $270 million, cannot find one penny for this program which they refer cases to year after year.

we know what works. we know what does not work. the jerry springer model of dealing with each other does not work. right? but we need to change our culture. we seriously need to shift funding to programs like restorative justice programs that get better outcomes than the antiquated, costly, ineffective -- you get how i feel about our current system? the ways to responding to harm. we need to give our young people experiential opportunities. this is not about a curriculum. this is experiencing ways to learn how to deal with conflict constructively. conflict is being human. we need to learn how have held their relations. -- how to have healthy relationships. if i can borrow from my sailing buddy, when something breaks on the boat, we have the technology but we do not have the political

will to do it. >> thank you, doctor. mr. rosenberg. >> good afternoon, chairman. my mom sent me a text message, so i had to share that. [laughter] welcome to baltimore. every child that we say decorates a butterfly. perhaps you received a copy of this report. we collect over 850 butterflies every year and that number continues to grow. this is a very real manifestation of the scale of the problem here in baltimore city and nationally. we proudly hang each one of those butterflies from the ceiling of the center, recognizing that everyone is different with a unique story. each one symbolizes the transformation for each child. today i believe we have all had the privilege to hear many stories from victims and from survivors.

we hear those stories every day at the child abuse center, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. we're one of the few programs that have the ability to do that. there is much more material in my written testimony, at a child advocacy turn -- center provides a single point of contact for every reported case of sexual child abuse and baltimore city. we break the silo. for some, the interview results in a bad guy going to jail. for others, but child protective services intervention of some sort. for others, it is the start of a connection to therapy and treatment for the child and the non attending family members who are also reporting that they have been victims of abuse. abuses of multi generation of thing and many are getting help

for the first time when their child is getting help. we're one of 700 centers nationally. we are third in the country. these are centers that are urban, rural, suburban, and governed by standards set by the national child advocacy alliance in huntsville, alabama. they came about by any need set of circumstances. bud cramer, formerly with the district attorney in alabama, received his first case. they gave him a child abuse case. when he went to interview the victim, in his own words, he said ask me another question are i will kill myself. he realize that the child been spoken to 14 different times. everyone spoke to the child. he had a radical idea. he brought together police officers and social workers. everyone said he was crazy, but 25 years later that model works. that is what we have here.

not every child gets seen by them first. i ask a judge martin in this. maybe this is the disadvantage of an ipad culture, but i was sent a disturbing report from the clinical director just this morning. a 6-year-old had come home and asked the parents if he was going to jail because two police officers came to schools with guns and another worker was there. he was reportedly crying and scared. he told them he could not talk about it. apparently of record of abuse that occurred. the police rather than bringing the child to us had brought the child -- had responded at the school. doing what they meant to do best, but they showed up with guns and ask questions. the child displayed anxiety. and the mom indicated -- she actually filed a formal complaint about process, and stated that what she spirits did

not fit her child's needs first. the reason i'm able to share the story is that our process is able to share the failings of the systems as well as the successes. we can take this incident and send it to the leadership of different agencies. when reports of different, cases are different. reports of abuse need to be handled differently than regular investigation. often officers need to unlearn their basic skills. we all live in a world where inconsistency is normal, impresses change, and people that protect those who harm them do not know why they were harmed by those who are trying to protect them. they respond differently to violences than other adult witnesses a crime. our center reduces, by providing that single point of contact that child and family-friendly cow facility. we work quickly to make sure

that no case also the cracks. we provide training to law enforcement and urgency as well. we also educate the community on a very tight shoestring budget, urging adults to take responsibility for protecting kids. as we have learned unfortunately, in penn state, reports have to -- the adults have to report abuse. it is not just to the top to report what happens to them. we have to be on the lookout for these kids. there is a great need for community collaboration, and that is how i met jackie who testified before you. running a nonprofit, i said it was the last thing she wanted to do. but they encouraged her to work with us. believe me, i would hire her today if i could find the funding. we need to encourage more committed to collaboration. and i think that is one of the recommendations the task force can make. programs working together for successful an interesting efforts. we operate a big tent. we do more than just help in

cases of child sex abuse. as local law-enforcement agencies, many here today have come upon cases and recognize the fact that we can help them make their investigations better. not just in child sex abuse cases, but in cases of human trafficking, witnesses to domestic violence, and other child maltreatment, we are breaking the silos and helping them with their investigations. but there are other systems that need to be a part of this. juvenile justice, etc., they need to be added as well. i think these are good recommendations for all of you. one, funding for defend childhood must be made a priority. there are insufficient funds to support or even understand these critical programs. nationally day art simply cobbled together through a variety of philanthropic funds. here in baltimore, we barely get

funded at less than 10% by the city that we strive to serve, despite the fact that we have saved almost a thousand dollars per job, almost a $1 million a per year. congress recently reauthorize one act meant to cover 700 sites. money is appreciated but woefully insufficient to make any significant changes. we are best practices. often cite the study to show that we help those who had been abused. we can recommend that greater funding be made and break -- and made readily available for centers like ours and other multi-collaborative support for communities. number two, i have to agree with what many people said. we need public awareness intervention education. it needs to be brought the highest level. this is the public health crisis going on right now in the country. this is a disease.

a process to bring everyone to find a cure is what we need. 75 million children will be abused of a the next 18 years, dwarfing anything else that we're doing. those become the root causes for all the ailments. throwing money at right now. truancy, ciao be seeking -- child of the city -- not to minimize those, but if we could affect exchange of views, their many great models that existed that need to get into the hands of parents and the schools. many children feel safer in schools and we must find ways and find ways to have this in there. many states are starting to go and do they prefer not, illinois, texas, north carolina, beginning to have mandatory education in their school systems. public debt as a recommendation for the task force, that every state must have some form of child abuse and prevention education available. and finally, dr. mary jurors

actually right, we need have -- we need to have the advantage of this great amount of data out there. even if we cannot integrate the systems, someone can look at that data. we have to have better data sharing. by rich and quite often the school system does not know that the top of their sending of for truancy is that child abuse victim. i thank you for opening this up and answering these questions and for taking a first-ever at producing child abuse and exposure and maltreatment. and please know that we're here to help. >> thank you. i just want to open it up for questions. we have about 15 minutes of questions. >> thank you. thank you very much. i have learned a lot in a very short amount of time. i have a question for judge martin and dr. abramson.

any cases that you would screen out of the work that you do? are there crisis that are so egregious, that sitting in a circle could potentially create more problems than it solves? >> first of all, i wanted to venture earlier that the models includes tribal court, and the national cuba on family court judges, i went to testify on the hilt to include tribal court in the funding. but your answer is no. we do child protection mediation in cook county. i do all kinds of cases, and the way we do it may be different, and i have a team mediators. i never do one single mediator. i have the deputy around. if the person is in custody, i have extra protection for the staff and the mediators. we do put in different protections, but i would not preclude any case from going into mediation.

i might make a go more than once. mediation in my jurisdiction, talking about all those non- legal issues, who is going to help on visits to drop off, or parenting time with dad and mom has a new relationship and that cannot stand the new martyr. -- the new partner? even if they are not there for murder, they will get out for one day. i have to make sure that they know how to communicate. on behalf of my child. so i the man mediation. a more serious the case, the more serious the felony, the more violence involved, the more i require mediation. >> and if the victim does not want to participate? >> i will require the mediation and the victim does not have to protest pay. i will have an advocate for the victim. but they still have to figure out how to communicate.

families have to communicate for my kids. >> i would say the same thing except that we maintain the process as a voluntary process. so if anybody, any of the key participants decide not to, we will not do it. >> thank you for asking a question. i had the same one. but at the end of the last panel, i ask a question and was told that this panel should respond to it. we have heard over and over again about the importance of multi discipline and community and public sector collaboration, sharing of a permission very what are the impediments if any that we should address to multiple agencies sharing information on a case by case basis or on an overall planning level? >> may i? did in each of you, your excellent.

>> and baltimore, one of the impediments is territory and silos. there is a lack of willpower or even understanding that we can share that information. it takes a lot of time to read for me as an executive director, i go to school administrations as well as school principals and i can educate at the top level and the bottom level, that we are here to help and provide information. frankly, it is perhaps i confuse and -- a confusion of the hipa laws, who can share with two. we've talked about bringing in the primary health care practitioners and share that information with them as well. it is remarkable that in this year, we're so far away from that. we're so in tripoli wired and

connected in other ways. you can call my tweaks and face but postings, but then i have no ability to tie into the various portals of information to get a that serve a child or family. sometimes four or five agencies are serving one household at any one time. it is a waste of resources. the recommendation -- it needs to these people need to work together. opening up a greater acceptance of that information can be shared. perhaps incentives that if it is set up and shared, these programs may be available from the federal government down in terms of that. incentives on the highways, why can we the same thing what

federal justice? >> this would relate to the common language issue? >> absolutely. i think there are regulations that forbid certain information sharing. schools and others in particular often do not want to share the information that they can share, because of turf issues and other such things. and i agree that it should be incentivize. just like -- just like we have incentivized electronic medical records. why not incentivize appropriate information sharing at that level? i think that would make a big difference. >> on a very local level, all you need is a judge's order. we had the same problem in cook county and all law [laughter] have done is issued medical records from a hospital. no one questioned my

jurisdiction, so i kept going. going into chicago public schools, likewise. i had no jurisdiction to be there, but i was issuing orders. i guess the appellate court has to tell me i am wrong and they have not figured it out yet. >> i will file that order today. how would a copy from you. >> you are wonderful and i like to have you in my community and everywhere in the country. we are a big country and there are lots of reasons that things do not proliferate, but we keep hearing the same story anywhere you go around the country. at the risk of getting you going, could you please briefly say something about how come, out of $240 million, your program doesn't get any money? and how come there's so little money going to you, and lastly to you, how come we're not talking from the child's

perspective as a guide to addressing -- what is going on here? >> we not very smart? [laughter] 90% of the juvenile justice budget is going toward those kinds of detention interventions that dr. mccarthy said not only do not work but often make people work. why? a lot an answer to that question. -- i would love an answer to that question. in some of that is due to priority. children are not a priority. they are not the taxpayers and it is easy to shuffle them on to decide. in baltimore specifically we are obsessed with a homicide number. it is in the paper every day and we look at the count and yet

when you look at the other crimes occurring, it blows away the homicide number. your impression of baltimore is unfortunately "of the wire." just focused on the wrong thing. we need to have more people to prevent the child from becoming a homicide statistics later in life and give them services today. >> one answer is that our science and knowledge is way ahead of our political will. the more complicated the issues are, and we're talking about a very complex issue, as we discovered today, it is not a sound bite. that is one of our great dilemmas. people do not really want to delve into and think about the most complicated issues. and child development is very complicated. the impact of trauma on children functioning and development into

adulthood is very complicated. that is something that takes time and effort. and as i said, it is not a sound bite or something that people readily and easily pay attention to. >> mr. rosenberg, a question for you. i was pleased to hear you say that in addition to the mainstream k -- child abuse cases that we're so accustomed to having sent to a child advocacy center, that you're also providing services for sex trafficking victims. >> right. >> can you explain to the task force -- first of all, i think the task force is already aware that these are victims who really experience and exposure to violence, perhaps more them as victims. so could you explain how you are able to get your cac to embrace that? so many not willing.

>> if is a complicated issue. victims of human trafficking, and this is domestic human trafficking before long time we learned about little keys from overseas traffic on the eastern seaboard. but it is also from florida and rochester. the circuits that ran away from one situation, because they were abused at home, and they found themselves being trafficked. we are a nonprofit, and i lament the fact that we're not funding, but it does give us the ability to say, we're going to do this today. we have set up good relations of locally with an attorney who is here. on an upper level and local level. i just create these relationships. i say, look, i have got this great program, so use it. it is breaking these silos that are programs run in contradiction to those who are very governmentally focus. this is our box and this is what

we shall do in this is what we shall not do. even neighboring counties simply because they recognize that we can do this better. but in order to do this, the centers need to have your back in the department of justice. and if they had the funding to make it, and every interview cost $800, and i'm eager to do them and we do cobble something together, but i cannot unring the bell of this point. how can i not get an interview to a victim of trafficking? so i do it. >> i am going to try to give two more questions. >> first of all, i want to thank you for sharing your personal stores and expertise as well as your time and commitment. you all are running excellent programs but i wanted to see if there was any component or opportunity for you to become leaders and stepped out of the shadow of it has been victims or those in need of being services

and be seen as someone who is powerful and a real stakeholder in our community. that is what i draw from you directly. when they say things like going to team lounges and hang out with him, who are you did tell me, you know what i mean, who are you determine what services are best for me? i am stuck. you're right. let's talk about it. i want to know if there is any program or component to your program that gives the kids that opportunity? >> i would mention two that do that very well. one is benchmark hearing, designed to deal with you. most of the jurisdictions in the nation, all my kids are older. muster coming in the foster care are newborn infants. most of my kids are 13, 11, teenagers. so this program is designed for older use. -- youths. i do not accept report from the doctor.

the doctor has to come in. i do not accept reports from the staff people at the intervention center. they have come in. prior to the hearing, they sit down and talk with a social worker about the programs being developed. one of them is what you want to be. a kid came in and tell me they wanted to be a lawyer, and a social worker said it wanted to be a cosmetologist. that was different. the worker said, she is reading so far below grade, she will never be a lawyer. i know a lot of people with degrees they cannot read. [laughter] the other is a mediation program. exit interviews with participants talk about this is one of the first time throughout the entire court system that they feel their voice has been heard. they have the privilege of sitting down and how this affects them and what affects them the most and what they

need at these hearings. i think there programs throughout the nation, and those of just two in cook county that were pre well. >> we actually have to start a program with some of our teams have gone through treatment and come out to be pure mentors to some of the younger children. everyone we of past has agreed to do it. we will see how it goes. it just guarded. >> doctor? >> i wanted to thank all of you who from speaking for your expertise, and particularly from speaking from your heart. such a rewrite at the end the day, but it was not of just from your intellect. it was profound and from your heart and i thought it might be time at the end of this, i think this is an upper, not a downer. let me get a quick reaction from

you to see how we can get this report done. as we think about child development and what we would call a child-centered language, right, and how difficult development becomes when there is disrupted the attachment. trauma that in tax development. -- that in packs development. there's trance generational enslavement, so at this point in time, we do not have a birth equity or employment equity. we do not have educational equity. in my view, it is a large feature into the cycle of trauma. would you have any comments with respect to the structure or racism and oppression that continues to unfortunately keep a large portion of our population in a place where it is very hard to progress?

>> i love to response to that. i think that if we looked at what is often called deep poverty, and if we use party -- poverty is so wide ranging term, but there is the party, multi- generational poverty, impoverished as long as we have measured. if you look at those families, and the studies have shown that in 1992, if you made under $15,000 a year, rates of maltreatment were 23 times than if you made over $30,000 per year. 22 times. that is the cycle of violence and also the cycle of poverty. those very same kids that are now treated are unable to learn

well, they do not do well in school, they have health problems, they end up unemployed and homeless. so we perpetuate that cycle. and i think that one of the issues that we are never going to address, unfortunately in this country, is insuring a livable wage. we know that that makes a huge difference in breaking the cycle we're talking about. with that said, i think that we cannot intervene with families and communities to interrupt cycles of maltreatment and abuse, and trauma. i think there are multiple ways of doing that. every time we identify child, we are identifying a family. the family needs a whole intervention as does the child. that is the opportunity that i think we have. that is what i see has really the outcome, and the positive outcome of identification, but it requires a nation, not the

village. >> i would suggest to the things. one is that the in i s studies are based on reports of the clues -- of abuse and neglect, not actual abuse and neglect. i would suggest that there are very rich and white families that have abuse and neglect in their households as well. i do not see many of those. as a matter of fact, when a white, it comes into my office on the eighth floor, i hear about it before they have the temporary custody. i did not know white families were charged with abuse and neglect and or to allow went down to south dakota and south carolina. i did not know that. in cook county, they are all black. to the point that i have no coke babies from cook county hospital. they are all from national northwestern. does that mean that white child- bearing age women do not use drugs in chicago? possible, not probable. or something happened in the

social investigation and work ethic of cook county that is different in northwestern. i called the ama and they have not returned my call it. my point is that there is institutional racism, no doubt, but institutions as of our -- are developed by people. we have people who are racist but we also have an implicit bias that we overlook constantly. i have as well. when i grew up, and let me use a black example since i am black. black women have back. my sister runs merit and, so she did not have back. so you know what i am talking about. i apologize. >> i am with you, sister. >> i was in kentucky about topic -- talking about implicit bias and racism, and i said that in court, and that gentleman dress

like colonel sanders cat upset in the front row and i figured i had to get out of this. but this is been developed over a number of years for number reason. i have to teach my judges had to understand that they have implicit bias and hang it out like that trenchcoat in their chambers and go out and other court room and make choices that are devoid of their implicit bias. i would suggest that the residents coming in, the medical residents and the shows a workers, they have to learn that too. that is one of the reasons. judges are not the answer but we are part of the answer. and and we understand that racism is about implicit bias, that means there is something we can do about it. so contrary of what you said, this is something that we can change. we have to be willing to change it but we can impacted in a positive way. the national council has developed a bench parts of the week and start looking at this issue and i hope we have an opportunity supplement are

written testimony or provide additional oral testimony on these issues, because they are we are looking at and working toward eliminating. >> if i could take a really short -- ok. i like to refer to a short book called "the next american revolution." she is a 96-year-old activist, and she offers that the next american revolution will not be about equality, but about who we are as human beings. and he talks very cogently -- and she talks very cogently about what we need to do because all these jobs that are lost for not coming back. we need to restructure our education system and restructure our criminal justice system and learn how to take care of each other. and in the process, be healthy as a community. i feel like to restore to

justice work that we're doing is about bringing together human beings in a circle. not ignoring the fact that there is racism and all sorts of bias and oppression, but letting people being human and figuring out a different way to deal with each other so that those bias sees it broken down and get recreated -- people reestablished relationships and a very different way. >>. thank you very much to our panel. very informative. what can i say? thank you very much. it is time for public testimony right now. so five minutes? you have got a big and they're, well. closer to 10 minutes? five minutes. [captioning performed by national captioning institute]

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