tv British House of Commons CSPAN January 30, 2012 12:00am-12:30am EST
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it prefers the very spirit of america. i saw a bit when governor rockefeller was shot down. i sell in minneapolis when governor wallace was heckled into silence. it happened to me in philadelphia. we must give notice to be violent few. they are willing to sacrifice for change. the what to do it without being threatened. they are the non-violent majority. and they are for change without violence. these are the people whose voice i want to be. >> we look back at 40 many ran for the office and lost. to go to our website www.q-an- cspan.org/thecontenders. >> when they arrived, there is nothing here. they built their timely cavan's. they did it would neighbors helping one another, not federal grants.
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they wanted to practice this. after 200 years, too many of us take this privilege for granted. >> british prime minister david cameron tackled questions on the british economy, the health service, and scottish independence. on the economy, he said the recent growth figures were disappointing. he also said these are measures that would boost the economy. this is about 30 minutes. that forward to the two commissioners. >> order. questions for the prime minister. >> question number one, mr. speaker,. >> thank you, mr. speaker. this morning i had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others, and in addition to my duties in this house i shall of further such meetings later today.
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>> the prime minister frequently says he is not complacent about the tragedy of youth unemployment. so can he tell the house why his youth contract teams still have not started? >> the youth contract to scheme is going to make a big difference to young people -- [shouting] because it will over the course of the coming years 160,000 voices for people on private sector firms. that will be far better than the failed future jobs fund which in some cases had over 97% of its jobs place in the public sector. it will be up and running this year and make a big difference to young people. >> mr. speaker, today is the anniversary of the birth of the greatest scottish voyager, robert byrd. can the prime minister agree -- the unity of our nation when he says --
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[inaudible] among ourselves, united. [inaudible] [shouting] >> i'm grateful to the honorable lady for her question, and the point she makes is a good one. and further tonight will be celebrated not just across scotland but across the whole of the united kingdom, indeed in many parts of the world. when i hear the scottish nationalists who are so keen to leave the united kingdom, yet so anxious about having referendum, perhaps they should remember earns his words which he referred to do we, all, what a panic. [laughter] >> ed miliband. [shouting]
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>> mr. speaker, mr. speaker, we are 18 months into his government. and today's figures show our economy is not growing. is shrinking. what's gone wrong with his economic plan? >> these are extremely difficult economic times. these are disappointing figures. they are not unexpected figures. they are the opposite of budget responsibility forecast at the end of last year. but i'll be frank with honorable gentleman i think the reflect three things. they reflect the overhang of the debt and the deficit that we have to deal with -- [shouting] the reflect the higher food and fuel price that put the squeeze on household income for the end of last year and yet they also reflect the crisis in the euro zone that has frozen europe's economies. the forecast for germany, for spain, for italy come for the end of last year, forecast had greater decline or in many cases
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a greater decline. this is the year we have to take further action to get our economy moving. with the most important thing to have a credible plan to get on top of the deficit which is given as the lowest interest rates for over 100 years. >> ed miliband that mr. speaker, people are fed up with his excuses about -- [shouting] and he blames the euro zone. growth has been flat line in our economy since well before the euro zone crisis in fact since his pending review in autumn 2010. and what has characterized, mr. speaker, the government approach throughout this period total arrogance. total arrogance. in his first budget, the chancellor painted a glowing picture of what his policies would deliver for our economy. he said this, he said that his policies would deliver a steady and sustained economic recovery
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with falling unemployment. shop-vac we have a shrinking economy and the highest unemployment in 18 years. mr. speaker, how bad do things have to get in our economy to shake him out of his complacen complacency? >> as usual he writes the question or -- before he listens to the answer. [shouting] i didn't just say this is an issue of the eurozone. it is issue of debt and deficit. it's an issue of squeeze household incomes, issues that affected many other economies. he talks about what our policy is. we remember what his policy was. no more boom and bust. and yet he gave us the biggest boom and the biggest bust that we're having to recover from. there is not one ounce of complacency. that is why we are cutting corporation tax. we scrapped labour's tax. we introduced the enterprise and. were investing record sums in apprenticeships. >> order. most of the prime minister and the leader of the opposition
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must be heard. the prime minister. >> we are doing all of these things, but the party opposite has only one answer, and that is to deal with a debt crisis by borrowing more and adding to debt. that is his answer. that would threat interest was correct our economy and make things much worse. >> ed miliband. >> mr. speaker, he says there's not one ounce of complacency but he had his chance or -- self-satisfied, smug complacency, and that's the reality. he talks about borrowing, mr. speaker, he said not just on unemployment, not just on growth, but on borrowing as well. because of his failure of growth and unemployment he is borrowing 158 million pounds more than he forecast. and now we know, he said unemployment would fall. it is an. he said our economy would grow. it hasn't. he said we're all in this together. we are not. when will this prime minister
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face up to the fact it is his policies that are failing our country? [shouting] >> our economy grew last year but he can't -- [shouting] he can't find it in excel. are more people, more people in work today than they were at the time the last election. [shouting] that we were given -- >> the house must call himself to hear the prime minister. >> we're given a very clear instruction yesterday at 5:00 any afternoon, the shadow chancellor said the government should listen to the imf and change course. at 7:00 in the evening the imf told us what we should do. they said this, we do not think that fiscal consolidation adds to the problem. fiscal consolidation is part of resolving the problem facing the u.k. economy. [shouting] that is the truth, mr. speaker. there are two parties in this country taking responsibility for clearing up the mess. there is one party refusing to take responsibility for causing
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the mass. [shouting] >> david rutley. [inaudible] has recently been censured in their report into the shambles. can the prime minister tell the house when the forfeiture committee will be sitting to consider stripping this man of his ill deserved -- >> the forfeiture committee will be meeting as i understand this week. and it would be considering all of the evidence including as i've said before the financial services authority report into rbs and what went wrong and who is responsible for what went wrong. [inaudible] does the premise agree that in scotland the people are sovereign and, therefore, for improvement have the right to determine their own constitutional future as they see fit? >> of course, this is an issue
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for the people of scotland and i think we should bring forward the date when we put the question to the scottish people of whether they want to stay in the united kingdom, which i dearly hope they do, or whether they want to leave the united kingdom. but i think the point everyone needs to understand is that auctions for further devolution, options for changes across the united kingdom are matters for all of the united kingdom and matters all the making should rightly discuss. >> me i, may i put it to the prime minister that for britain to commit still more funds to the imf, would in effect be providing a subsidy to germany? because it is still not fully supporting its own currency
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while benefiting from its depreciation? >> the audible, the right honorable member makes an important point, and, of course, the imf managing director is in london today. our message has been very clear, that there shouldn't be a question of committing further imf funds until the eurozone itself has shown that its company to the going to stand behind its own currency. and i think if you read her speech last night in germany, she made absolutely clear that the role of the imf is to support countries and not currency zones. and this government supports that position. >> mr. ed miliband. [shouting] >> mr. speaker, last september the prime minister said about his flagship health bill, and i quote, we have the royal college of gp's, the position, the nurses, people working in the health service supporting the changes we are making. can the prime minister give the house an update on the support for his bill from the medical
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profession? [shouting] >> i've certainly learned that when it comes to the nhs you should always expect a second opinion. or even a third of any. but the point is this, there are thousands, there are thousands of gp's, thousands of gp's across the country not just supporting our reforms, they are actually implementing our reform. let me, let me, if i may, let me give them, let me give them just one example of a supportive gp. [shouting] >> order. honorable members shouldn't be yelling out. the question was asked. the answer will be given, and the answer will be heard. the prime minister. >> i think they want to hear from this one particular gp who hails from doctor shark. [shouting] he said this was the acting
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chairman of the commission group, and he said this that he said becoming one of the first national areas is a real boost. well, i think what is good is good for the rest of the country, too. >> ed miliband. >> mr. speaker, how out of touch is he about what's happening in the nhs? let me tell him, let me tell him, let him passionately become with the medical profession is an. the latest survey of the royal college of gp says 98% of gp's want to go withdrawn and the royal college of nursing has said and i quote, the turmoil of proceeding with these reforms is not greater than the turmoil of stopping the. the prime minister said in his famous listening exercise change if it is to endure to really work just have the support of people who work in nhs. we have to take our nurses and doctors with us. mr. speaker, if you want to hear
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the voice of doctors and nurses across nhs why doesn't he listen? >> he seems to be out of touch. he asks. he asked what is happening in the nhs. let me tell him what is happening in the nhs. 4000 extra doctors since the election, 100,000 more patients treated since the election, inpatient and outpatient waiting times lower than they were at the election. [shouting] 7 billion pounds of the 20 million pounds already saved. and at the same time we of hospital acquired infections at the lowest ever level. >> that is what is happening in the nhs, and if we listen to them we would be having a spin in the nhs and scrapping reforms and nhs would be getting worse, not better. [shouting] >> ed miliband.
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>> waiting lists up, morale down, and his own health select committee, majority conservative health select committee, what do they say about his real -- they say the destruction and destruction that hinders the ability of organization to release savings. let's be frank, mr. speaker, this is a bill nobody wants. he is opposed by the doctors, the nurses and patients. now before the election, he said no more top down three organization. that's what he said. isn't it time he kept at least one promise? put aside his pride and arrogance, and drop is unnecessary and horrible bill. [shouting] >> i know that he panics and back stabs, but this government doesn't. [shouting] of course if you introduce choice, if you introduce transparency, it will introduce competition. if you say that the private and
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volatile sector should play a greater role, of course you face a challenge. that that is what doing the right thing is sometimes all about. now, let him remember, let him remember what his health secretary said when he was in government. he said about gp commission, he said this. the change will put power in the hands of local gp's to drive improvements in their area so it should give more power to their elbow then have at present. that is what i would like to see. what a shame that talk about it in government but haven't got the guts to face down opposition when they are in opposition. [shouting] >> sir robert smith. >> thank you, mr. speaker. following the death of 167 workers in the disaster in the north sea, this country develop a world leading safety? regime of offshore oil and gas which is now threatened by regulations from the european union. will he use his best endeavors to back his department of energy
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and climate change in persuading the rest of the european union that what we need is more regulation, but -- [laughter] interrogation? >> no. >> referendum? >> all right, mr. speaker. not regulation, but directive, which can be implemented in the prime minister's because i think my aquifer and makes a very important point. i will remember the piper alpha disaster and huge suffering and loss of life that that caused. since that day we have put in place i can absolutely world leading system of regulation but and i will do everything i can to support the climate change secretary to make sure we get the result in europe that means we can go on with the right regulations for the north sea. >> mr. william bain. >> on the second of may, 2010 the prime minister said the test of the good society was having
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to care for the frail and vulnerable to even more important, and difficult economic times. with a premise or not be defending the basic sense of decency of the british people if he percents next week with proposals to take going up to 94 pounds per week in employment and support allowance from up to 7000 recovering patients across the country? >> what our plans is more people with cancer will have a greater level of benefit and fewer people actually face the face-to-face interview. that is the case, as he knows there are two types of employment in support allowance, on the support group you get that money for ever for as long as you need it, as long as you are unable to work. many people with cancer go straight into the group and quite right,. >> steven metz car. i know my right honorable friend is aware of the current oil refinery and my constituent into protective administration
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yesterday. by the future is uncertain it is by no means bleak because i write a book at agreed with me that what you stand out to protect the thousands jobs in the refinery is the full support of the customers and suppliers and for accurate reporting of the situation? and will the prime minister agree to assure that i meet with alall but ministers to discuss what further action the government can take to help secure? >> my honorable friend is right to raise this issue and is rightly mentioned the importance of the customers and the suppliers and the role that they play. i will certainly make sure that he meets with ministers as appropriate i think the key thing is the role of the administrators and administered has made it clear it's a major priority is to continue to operate the refinery operations, and other textual plus sites in u.k. while the financial position is clarified and all the restructuring options are export. we're confident the administrators doing all that they can that we will keep on
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the case. >> the existing u.k. controls on the movement of terrorist suspects, this includes the case of suspect cd of whom the justice said of his appeal last year, relocation is a necessary and proportionate measures to protect the public from an immediate and real risk of a terrorist related attack. could the prime minister therefore tell the house why his government supported that relocation term at the court hearings last year, but has since legislated to remove it and to give freedom to suspect cd and others like him to come to london in the run up? >> i think most people across this house realize that the control order regime needed reform. it did not have public confidence nor to have confidence of many people in the place security services. we have reformed it. we work with the police and the
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secret services. would put it all the resources they believe are necessary to make sure our country is kept safe. >> nigel adams. >> thank you, mr. speaker. following the renewable energy subsidy review, will the prime minister assured taxpayers that this government will focus its support on technologies that are cost-effective and reliable like biomass, rather than inefficient costly large-scale onshore wind farms? >> my right honorable friend will know that the renewable obligation pending review, that consultation has just closed and he was proposing targeting only the most cost effective onshore wind farms, recognizing it is one of the mature and cheaper technologies and we should as he says increase support for an expansion, sustainable biomass generation which is reliable and cost effective and will help us meet our renewable target. >> thank you, mr. speaker. on friday, all across memorial
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day, commemorates the liberation of the concentration in the extermination camps. what can the prime minister do to ensure that all of our society understands and learns a lesson from the past because i think the honorable lady has a long record of supporting this cause, speaks for the whole house and a whole nation in raising it and raising the importance of it. i met with representatives of the holocaust education trust yesterday, and met with a holocaust survivor whose story was truly inspiring about what he had seen and gone through as a young boy and then coming to britain and becoming an olympic and commonwealth contended that it was a fantastic story. we need to make sure that these stories are told in all of our schools right across the country. that's the work of the holocaust education trust and its work i strongly support. >> i wonder if the premise is aware it will take all of
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lancashire average household income after tax -- [inaudible] while my constituents want a fair deal, they also want a fair deal for those who work -- [inaudible] [shouting] >> i think the honorable gentleman speaks for many people. when we say that the proposal for a cap on benefits of 26,000 pounds is fair. it is a capital allows people to receive 500 pounds a day, and his constituents and many, we come and his constituents and many others constituents ask themselves got is that right that my hard earned taxes when i'm earning less than that money is going to support people on benefits. and i have to say how disappointed it was that after the labor party said it would support a cap, the announcement was made on the bbc we were all told they would support a cap but the other place they voted against it. what a complete act of hypocrisy. [shouting]
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>> can the prime minister explain why mr. advisors continued -- continued to attend networking events with a lobbyist with a lobbyist who paints several thousand pounds to attend despite the fact that the cabinet office has been this to be a breach of the civil service code and has pretty issued -- [inaudible] >> it is unlike under the previous government, the action is a proper system for declaring the interest of special advisers and ministers. it didn't used to be the case. it is now the case. >> my right honorable friend -- [inaudible] debt ski knotted with me that my constituents -- [inaudible] deserted of the government --
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[inaudible] >> i think the honorable gentleman speaks very properly about this issue, that's what a benefit cap is fair. and he also commits very important recognize that we are excluding from the benefit cap those intel to working towns credit, households with someone with disability living out loud, and, of course, as we always said they will be a hardship fund, a grace period, a way of helping those families to cope with his cap and to make sure where possible we get people into work he does the real shame is that there are so many millions of children who live in households where nobody works and the that number doubled under the last government. >> thank you, mr. speaker. the prime minister has said, and i quote, it would be a betrayal if banks don't increase lending to businesses. data last week the bank of england stated that businesses are still not getting investment they need from the banks. have the banks betrayed the
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primprime is as the prime is betrayed the business of? >> i put in the murder in a grid at which led to increase in bank lending last year. what we now have in place is a massive credit easing program that the chancellor announced in the autumn statement that will take into this year and make sure that banks are doing what banks ought to do in a free enterprise economy come and that is low to businesses large and small. >> bob stewart. >> i'm sure there will be families with children that may have difficulties with the new benefit regime. however, would the prime minister care to comment on the feelings of elderly couples who have spent their entire life working for this country, paid in the state pension system, and are now existing on about 7000 pounds a year rather than
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26,000 pounds a year? >> i think my honorable friend makes a very good point, and the fact is that if you look at the figures today there are still families in london who are receiving housing benefit worth over 50,000 pounds a year. each one of those families is taking up the hard earned taxes of many working people are earning far less who couldn't dream of living in houses like those. the point he makes about pensioners is right, and i'm proud of the fact that this government will be increasing the basic state pension by five pounds a week starting in april because we believe in dignity and security for our pensioners in old age. >> mr. speaker, what does the prime minister make of the national -- [inaudible] they say it is over as but the number of people they will put back to work. this is a much of a work program, more of a doesn't work
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program. i think he ought to read the officer corps because what he says, keep praises the government for introducing a scheme in such a short period of time. but the basic point that the national audit office is making is the work program is not putting taxpayers money at risk. it is putting the providers at risk and that is a different way of doing things. it's about payment by results, about getting better performance, about value for money. thinks that his government never provided. >> thank you, mr. speaker. like my honorable friends early, many of my constituents worked extremely hard for modest salaries. given that many people think the benefit cap should be set at lower levels than 26,000 pounds, does my right honorable friend agree with me that the party opposite is completely out of touch by voting to make it higher? >> i think but honorable friend makes a good point. let me just remind the right honorable gentleman what he said
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