that north dakota has adopted and our country will surely be rewarded with the same great economy our state is enjoying. thank you for listening. >> next, a discussion on internet piracy then the 29th annual press foundation awards dinner. after that, house members pay tribute to new jersey congressman donald payne who passed away on tuesday. >> on newsmakers, senator carl levin, chairman of the armed services committee talks about u.s. policy towards iran, iran's nuclear enrichment programs, u.s. policy on syria and afghanistan. newsmakers at 10:00 p.m. -- at 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. eastern on sunday. >> the national association of attorneys general held its annual summit sunday in washington, d.c. this year's summit focused on

the role of the attorney general touching on a number of legal issues, including digital piracy, copyright and intellectual property, and the distribution of counterfeit stolen items on the internet. this portion is about an hour. >> i just want to make sure you knew i was in my seat and prepared to go. [laughter] >> that is awesome, lawrence. we have this funky echo going with of the speakers and microphone. it is kind of cool. it is like i am at a concert. [whistling] all right, i am just telling you. very good. our next panel will focus on the attorneys general role in combating intellectual piracy on -- intellectual property piracy on college campuses.

we are getting serious eco appear. can you as adjusted or not? there is a little bit of a delay. that is much better. ok. please join me in welcoming mean senator chris dodd. [applause] >> good afternoon and thank you immensely for the invitation to be with all of you. today, i am delighted to come by. as you may know, i spent my previous 3 1/2 decades in that other building up the road from here. if i missed congress, i was asked. i said yes, but not this congress. i'm glad to be in my new job as the head of the motion picture association following the steps of dan glickman and jack valenti who was there for almost 40 years. when i left the senate last

year, my 7-year-old -- i have two young children -- christina asked me, i asked her what she would like her father to do know that he was leaving public life in the senate. she said, " i would like you to own a zoo and a candy store. so i took this job and i told her that i will fill both of her life's ambitions in the motion picture industry. [laughter] i'm happy to be here to introduce a panel on campus piracy today. i would like to personally thank rod mechanic for the invitation and for everything he and you're doing along with the national association and the attorneys general to help advance the battle against common online theft and counterfeiting. rick cotton from nbc universal,

and joseph stewart from the university state of new york. there is an important fundamental truth to remember about our business, the film and television industry. hollywood is pro-internet. we're pro innovation. our business is built on innovation. just look at imax, 3 d, instance trimming, video on demand, along with many other ideas that have occurred in this industry. i think it is incredibly important that a solution protect a free and open internet and continue to foster cutting it innovation. but it is also clear that any overall solution will need to include a plan of action at our nation's colleges and universities. congress recognized this in 2008 with the passage of the higher education opportunities act. it requires institutions of

higher learning to reduce digital content theft on their own university networks. university students are growing up in an era for different from the one that many of us were involved and when we went to college. it is far different than since attended college even a few years ago. information is at their fingertips like never before. in both legal and illegal forms. some of -- some will argue that the intellectual property protection and freedom of speech at universities cannot coexist. i could not disagree more. as the supreme reaffirmed just this year, the founders reports said, "copyright as an engine of free expression by establishing a marketable right to the use of one's expression. copyrights applies economic incentive to create and disseminate ideas." i personally believe that universities can and should play

a vital role in reducing or educating, rather, the students about the importance of representing and respecting intellectual property rights and the rule of law. we stand ready to work with those universities and students along with their attorneys general who represent the state universities to ensure that this nation remains the most creative and innovative on this planet. a place, i want to add, where students can graduate and fulfill their creed of ambitions and dreams, whether it be new york, national, austin, seattle, or hollywood for that matter or any one of the many growing centers were crated content is produced throughout our nation. -- centers wherare creating cont

produce throughout our nation. it's not only undermines their nation's economy, but rod's state and local governments of much needed tax revenue and jobs. even worse, some counterfeit goods can pose serious health and safety hazards to consumers. i couldn't agree more a study found that nearly one-quarter of all global internet traffic involved copyright theft. let me repeat that. a study found that nearly one- quarter of all internet traffic involves copyright theft. according to the institute for policy innovation, the theft of credit content -- of all creative content, foreign and domestic across our nation $16 billion in earnings each year, $3 billion in state and local

federal taxes each year, and it will $58 billion in economic output each year. as attorney general mckenna also mentioned, the curse of these road sites also have serious health and safety risks for our nation as well. these are sophisticated criminal enterprises. they do not just traffic in stolen movies and television. the market can affect products, such as prescription drugs and even equipment for local police and fire fighting departments pared their selling american parents and children the pajamas that turn out to be flammable and to the american law enforcement officers bulletproof vests that anything but. and the makers of the cancer drug the vast and have announced that counterfeit of miles of that drug have made their way to the american patients, opposing additional risks. recent research by the national association of boards of

pharmacy found that more than 96% of sites offer a prescription drugs for sale are doing so it illegally. it creates a significant health risk for all americans. criminal activity does not end there. these road sites often look like legitimate websites that use valid method the pavemenpayment. people use them and intensely without realizing that they are purnell sites. when they enter their credit card information, they are extremely vulnerable to credit card theft which is a growing problem in our country. these criminals are becoming increasingly sophisticated and selling their products on popular on-line search engines. they make their products appear to be legitimate. in the process, some american companies are reaping huge profits by selling the advertising linked to these counterfeit products. simply put, they're taking money from illegal companies in exchange for the prime space

advertising in america to american consumers. in the past year, there were more than 690 million up loads and downloads of unauthorized copies of major motion pictures technology. infringing copies of movies were viewed, and accounted millions of other times by streaming from largely foreign websites and further technology means. in the mega put up, the man known as kim.com and his colleague made more than $175 million through subscription fees and online ads while robbing authors, publishers, movie makers, musicians, videogame developers, and other copyright holders more than

$500. some continue to debate that piracy and counterfeiting is not about money. don't believe it appeared as the famous 20th-century pundit a jamaican said that it is not about money, it is about money. just look at mr..com. he is not alone. their companies out there, legal and illegal, who are reaping huge profits from the theft of intellectual policy. when it comes to piracy, college students are just one part of the problem. but this is a generation of the future. if we're to have any hope of being successful in this effort, we need to communicate to these students and help them understand the full ramifications and dangers to them personally of engaging in the theft of intellectual property. we need to engage them in our effort to ensure that the internet remains a free and open a cornerstone of innovation and of businesses. young people are key consumers of our content online and we

want to ensure that they can continue to legally watch the shows and movies they love and a whole host of different formats online. we believe that both innovation and the cooperation of the technology companies are critically a part of the conversation about content that appeared the problem also goes much deeper than young people in college. and resolution will need the assistance of our nation's law enforcement community incurving this rampant criminal activity. i believe that our attorneys general will and must play a major role in that effort. i look for, as we do with others, in working with you to provide answers to this ongoing problem. and i thank you. [applause] >> so we will go right into the three presentations.

first, we will hear from joe storch. >> thank you. thank you so much for having me. i will tell you a story about three sets of two years. 1998-1999, 2008-2009, 2018-2019, and i'm here representing the state of new york. i appreciate you having me. we do everything from educating students to run research farms to operating in nuclear power plant in the uss empire state, a ship that search -- that circumnavigates the globe. let me start with a word about fair use. as an intellectual property attorney, i intend to make some use of content under fair use pin hopefully, we can make copyright law -- fair use.

hopefully, we can make copyright law more entertaining. if you feel that it is not fair use, be sure to speak to my lawyer in new york, as in many other states, her office of attorney general handles litigation. i'm not only in house counsel, but i am also a client. i have to tell you come in new york, i ambled over by the creativcreativity. speaking as a somewhat regular client, there are a zealous advocates for our university and we appreciate that. when i sit down to think about copyright and piracy, i recall the words in my law school. the law must be stable and yet it cannot stand still. i think back to my job taking tickets at the bill more movie theater.

i had been a music fans in so as a young child and spend and and how the percentage of my mediocre take-home pay on cds and sponsors. in order to listen to a single song at home, i had to buy an entire cd from tower records. i had to direct people down the hall and left the theater to arrived, could you please ask your son to stop spilling soda onto the carpet for three or four hours just to listen to a single song. and there were many music fans in the same boat. it was only a year later that northeastern university sophomore release the first version of next year -- of napster on the internet. it led millions to illegally download at up load illegally copyrighted music. this is certainly not deducted

by their behavior led to a tentative plan economically what happened. some of us understood the moral issues. there were many people, including members of my family, who make their living by making usinmusic. during discussions, i found myself siding of four musical up while my friends were ster.oading from nap a magazine published by the hearst corporation, one of the biggest creators of intellectual property in the world, was teaching teenagers how to pirate. >> at any of you ever faced ethical problems in the workplace? >> anybody? this is a chance for you to say something without any repercussions. stanley? oscar, c'mon. anybody else. >> sometimes, i download pirated

music to my work computer. >> who hasn't? >> around the same time, congress passed the millennium copyright act. they created and in administrative method to take down notices to in its service providers hosting copyrighted material. i would argue that congress acted properly to avoid a glut of copyright cases. they private isp with a safe harbor. and they take certain actions when they receive a takedowns notice. skipping 10 years ahead to 2008-

2009, which saw congress passed the higher education opportunity act. among the requirements for colleges and universities, there are two concerning peer-to-peer -- the notice element was not burdensome. it required institutions publish a statement that unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material may violate civil and criminal law, a summit in the penalties for the law, and the college have specific penalties for addressing piracy. there are six elements to the written plan. i want to key in on three. you have to have a written policy. it must include an education of components. colleges have addressed this requirement in creative and different ways. cornell has created video accessible on the web with powerful teaching tools for their students. several institutions have created skids during orientation and other

educational opportunities. active monitoring is not required. but institutions must take action when notified of a violation. finally, the policy must include potential use of the disciplinary process for student violators. the plan must include the use of one or more technology-based deterrence. the regulations that came out of the statute are technology neutral. institutions need not purchase anything, but they may. each institution may choose for itself and a per print technology-based deterrent, including packet shipping and content filters and the low-tech option of accepting and responding to notices. the university of michigan has delta program called be aware you are applauding. -- called "be aware, you are uploading."

higher education has had difficulty for some time finding successful legal alternatives to offer to students at a proper prices. all the recent events lead me to believe that we may be moving in a good direction on that front. let me spend a minute or two on the those of you who follow basketball may have heard of " lin-sanity." we had not seen a really talented team since the days i was taking tickets at the movie theater. that what the last time the knicks had a team that could go to the playoffs. here we are in 2012 and literally out of the blue here comes a jeremy lin. knicks fans believe again. why am i telling you about this? due to a contract dispute, fans

tooss new york to end in see see when they turned on msg. this story comes with a happy ending. to the efforts of my lawyer. they settle the dispute and there were many many happy fans. prior to the involvement of general schneiderman, what can a fan do about the situation? even if you offer to pay more to see the game, you could not do so nor could you receive similar relief from msg. reports came in that there were many outstanding citizens, including those who would never dream of stealing a cd or dvd, who went to their computers and watched illegal streams of

games. they violated copyright law in doing so. these law-abiding steered -- citizens could not access those games on their cable system in the matter what they were willing to pay. it was against the law. as for the right answer? as they say, it is a little bit more complicated. what does the future hold? i can confidently say that efforts are now ongoing will likely bring about significant positive changes in this area. a few weeks ago, bill howard and i met with david green and rick cotton to discuss the vigil ways to solve these complicated issues. all joking aside, i got to the meeting room a little early. one of the things that impressed me most about the room -- it may have been accidental -- we sat around the roundtable for a constructive discussion. there is a different feeling sitting around a round table than sitting around opposite

sides of the table. it set a nice tone. my hope is that by continuing to work together, weakened by creative and efficient methods for higher education to comply with the law in the entertainment industry to protect its intellectual property. our universities have more than $1 billion in sponsored research every year. it's a little property is as close look -- as crucial to the mission of the state of new york as it is to members of the entertainment industry. i will and where i began -- the law must be stable and, yet it cannot stand still. society has changed and copyright law misspeak strong, but it must advance. higher education and the entertainment industry can partner to protect intellectual property law providing options to our students. you at the chief law-enforcement officers have a role to play in encouraging such advancement.

technological change need not read fear. seize the opportunity provided by new technology or college access content that encourages creative expression. thank you. [applause] >> next we will hear from rick cotton, executive vice president and general counsel for nbc universal. rick. >> thank you very much. i appreciate the opportunity to be here. i come before you buy in my day job as general counsel of nbc universal, but i also circa for the chair against counterfeiting with the u.s. chamber of commerce. in that coalition, we have more than 700 trade associations and companies representing roughly 24 of the highest growth sectors

of the u.s. economy. i would like to put in context the discussion we are having about the role of universities in addressing what i think is the rule of law on the internet. every single sector of the 24 sectors represented in that coalition have indicated that the problem of stolen digital content and the distribution of counterfeit goods on the internet is getting worse, not better. every single sector. the framework here, in fairness of what we are discussing, is truly the question of how does the rule of law come to broadband internet? everyone is familiar with the fact that in virtually every aspect of modern 21st century society, the enter net is a key pillar, whether it is information, commerce, or on and on. in that framework, i think

everyone of around this table would agree that we cannot have a vision of the broadband internet of the wild west as somalia, where it is simply anything goes. there is a certain degree of which the broadband internet did begin with this notion of it should be lightly regulated, it dries growth. -- drives growth. what we are talking about here is not the notion of economic regulation, but the basic regulation of lawful, civilized behavior, which extends way beyond that -- extend beyond child pornography and other issues. it cannot be the ultimate outcome where there is no rule of law on the internet. i would put that framework around the fact that in terms of talking about stolen digital content and the distribution of counterfeit goods, it is one element of a much broader challenge to ensure that our

normal day-to-day laws apply -- that apply in the physical world apply in and effective way on the a internet. just to stress the importance of the issue -- i do not mean this as a criticism -- this is not a nuisance crimes. what has happened over the last 20 years is that we have gone from -- here i would quote the former head of the world customs organization -- the distribution of counterfeit goods installed a digital content has gone from a cottage industry to the second industrial revolution. the scale of counterfeiting and stolen digital content is out of control and growing larger just to pick up on one of the statistics that senator dodd reference to -- it is not just a -- it is not a 25% below

july's for stolen digital content, but if you look at the quantity of activity, that same study found that if you just go to the normal store -- the nilson of the antoinette -- europe to hundred 50,000 bits per month to the torrent site. before megaupload was indicted and shut down, it had more than 90 million visitors per year. pirate bay has more than a 35 million visits per year. the u.s. chamber of congress did a study which included one of the 38 sites that include stolen digital content and found that every year there are more than 50 billion visits to those sites collectively every year. that is more than any individual site. we have a set of activities on the broadband internet which is

truly astonishing in its scale. as everyone understands, what we aspire to is to have a high- growth, high value sectors of our economy which are inevitably driven by our technical invention, or innovation, and architect -- and our technology. if we do not ensure the economic benefits of those qualities, which are almost unique to the u.s. economic society in terms of their strength, we seriously compromise the country positive economic future and the economic future of the students of the university's we are talking about today. in terms of talking about the university efforts with respect to reducing the amount of accessing stolen digital content, i would just like to point out that we are talking

about in the context of multiple sectors that support the broad and internet. my own view is, unless we affect the activities of the sector that create the broad ban on internet and support it and build and technological cues, particularly for the younger generation, we will not make forward progress. but if you look at the video sharing sites, the fact is they have put in filtering technology that prevents the easy upload of copyrighted contact. -- theyet the isp's made an agreement which became public last july where they have agreed to forward on a very substantial scale notices received from content companies about individual ip addresses that are up loading or downloading unauthorized content. the credit card companies entered into an agreement which was promoted by the white house

in which they have agreed not to do business with the sites mentioned by the senator which are dedicated to infringing activity. there are similar conversations going on at the advertising networks. the framework here is that the sectors that create the after net, that are the basis of the traffic or funding that flows within the ecosystem, have to become part of the solution. that is the framework. this is not an exclusive focus on universities. they are a very important element. in fact, i would say in terms of demographics of the students and the demographic of the age group that primarily engages in this kind of content -- in this kind of conduct, it is really important for the yogurt generation growing up to understand both of a technological basis as well as an educational basis what is acceptable and what is not

acceptable. joe laid out the framework of the legal obligations in terms of communication and a written plan i think it is really critical but the not only be the technological messages that come from the way the university i.t. system is operated as well as the messaging so that the younger generation comes to understand what is acceptable conduct and what is not. i think what we are talking about here is university's leading by example in terms of specific measures to put in place and critically engaging the educational task of educating the younger generation their futures and their jobs are at stake unless we respect of intellectual property on the internet. thank you very much. [applause] >> next we will hear from larry conrad, vice chancellor for i.t.

and the c.i.o. for the university of north carolina. >> thank you and good afternoon. i think i can speak on behalf of my colleagues across the country in higher education, we do take this very seriously. as i was talking with my panel of colleagues as we're planning how to approach this, we thought it would be great to work our way down a hierarchy, which leaves me batting cleanup. we have heard lots of things about this problem brigid lots of things about the challenges -- problem. lots of things about the challenges. all of this comes down to somebody like me who left to figure out what can we do? the good news, i think, is we have come up with what we think is a multi-faceted approach.

while we certainly out technologies, our fundamental idea is not really a technological idea. what we are trying to do, as we have heard from everyone here, is to change the behavior. it is a terrible analogy, i guess -- it is trying to work with the mexican government to cut down on drug smuggling. you got to cut down on the demand side of that, not just the supply side. speaking of technology -- if this is working -- is this the right one? good. great. from my standpoint, this is how the landscape roughly looks to me. we received hundreds of these notices every year from content providers reporting detection of abusers of -- abusers on our

campus. it is not a mystery. far the most part, are cancer researchers are not doing illegal file sharing. it is the students. in our case, we have a large resident population -- the large majority of those are coming out of our resident calls. that is where we thought would be the place to attack this. this is a serious problem. we want our students to come to campus to be educated and discover new knowledge. as a former colleague of mine once said, we want our students to leave with a degree, not with a rap sheet. we are very interested in trying to address this. obviously complex expose the students to potential negative issues. it also exposes the university as well.

the university as a responsibility to minimize their exposure. the hope is that if we can get our students to fundamentally change their behavior, at least in the time they are with us before they go out and become gainfully employed, we will make a real and permanent difference in people's behavior over time. next. there we go. let me run through quickly because onset of the hall pass program. the basic program is to comply with the higher education opportunity act of 2008. you heard the three components. the call pass program is focused on no. 1 and no. pitino. the no. 3 at issue, there are promising developments. they go beyond things that we can address. what we have decided to do is

pilot program in spring 2011. i will talk a little bit about that in a minute we implemented in full form in residence halls last fall. the fundamentals of how this work is when the user connects in the rubble of the calls -- in the residence halls, they are required to have an agent downloaded on their computer. it runs on their machines and if the user does not have agent, the cannot get on the network. they do not have to install the agent, but if they want to connect with the network, they do have to install that. the agents run looking for program signatures. if we find a program, then the user is automatically -- first of all, the networks connection is automatically restricted. the user is automatically

contacted and prompted to do one of two things. remove the offending software, in which case they can remove it and go on, or if they believe they have a legitimate reason to run p-to-p software, they can accept our so-called hall pass program and we will let them continue to run the program and have access to the network. a little bit of a delay here. if they do that -- if they choose to join the call pass program and if we get another copyright notice on them, the user is directly refer to the dean of students.

previously to that, this was a time-consuming activity. we would have to contact the students, schedule an appointment, bring them in, give them a lecture about the problem, and then there were sent off to, hopefully, do good. sometimes they did, sometimes they did not. at any rate, it did not get referred on as it became an egregious pipe a problem. some of the tidbits we found is bertolt the mass majority of our students -- first of all the mass majority of our of fast -- the vast majority of our students have the software. the hall pass agreements are reset every semester. you have to do it all over again in the spring, for example. last fall we had 40 out of our 9000 resident all students who

elected to the hall pass program. so far, at least in preparing for this presentation, it has reduced to 50. rarely does somebody actually joined the program. we had a couple hundred students who have to delete accept the software. some people are up against the idea of agreeing to anything of my, so they refused to agree to our automated program. we got the result of looking for. there is a bit of a challenge involved with this. there is some technology involved. we do have to watch the signatures. there is a little bit of maintenance involved in making that happen. it is not terribly onerous, but it does have to be done. one of the questions i got out earlier was did we do bandwidth

shaping or any type of restrictions for residence halls. we decided early on that squeezing down the pipe -- we're not going to change behavior. you just removed the point at which they would do the crime. we believed students should have free and open access to the internet. we want them to change their behavior. finally, i also want to point out that we did employment a multifaceted, multi. communications program with our students. we get them as they are admitted. we send letters to their homes and to their parents. we get them during orientation, we get them when they connect to the network, we get them once a year. we try to keep that message out there and repeat, repeat, repeat.

what do we think? the results -- these are not huge numbers, but we think they are meaningful for fall of 2010 before the program went in, we figured -- found out that one of seven students had p2p software. we detected a program and sent them a message saying we detected the program. we did not do anything about it. with just let them know we knew there were doing it. that change the ratio from 1-12 to 1-7. fall of 2011, that went to one out of 200. that is clearly a huge difference in the impact. the comparison for the semester -- this is just the retina

calls. we separated that out. we got 107 dmca complex. for fall of 2011, we got 25. that is a huge impact. bottom line is at the top. today, we have received no copyright notices on any of the students who agree to put dissipate in the hall pass program. the people who said their board to do what ever there were going to do legally stop by that. that is huge. clearly the program is effective. we liked it. we love the fact we do not have to consistently, currently follow up on complaints. we are getting much better results with our students. it is not cheap. that is important to keep in mind. i have a lot 25% of my budget in the last four years as most public institutions have around the country. it is tough in these difficult

economic times, but understanding that to get those results we spent $125,000 to put that technology in place. we also worked with dentistry and and implemented the school of medicine. it is probably not realistic. at circuit -- it is probably not realistic to think you can eliminate everything for everybody, but it is not an easy field. you have to prioritize the problem, go after the subset that makes sense, and get a good return on your investment. there we go. that is totally unreadable. are the slides available to people afterwards? it could follow the link at the bottom of the page. in fact, somebody might want to look at what is the "hall pass

agreement." are we ready for questions? >> we are going to extend the panel within minutes to allow time for questions. i wanted to ask about what happened in contrast -- in congress and what your forecast is going forward. obviously the problem of piracy continues to persist. general hood and i have been working on this for years at least. by the way, you have been a tremendous leader on this project, including the issue of piracy on campus. senator, at any idea on where we go next with sopa? >> it was a threshold event.

normally if you look at this process, you have a unanimous vote of the senate judiciary committee -- agreeing to the bill the vicinity -- senator leahy and senator hatch worked on. the house and a similar situation. not quite as unanimous. we had a degree of unanimity around the subject matter. all of you know we have had domestic legislation to deal with domestic sites. in fact, we shut down some 300 or so. obviously the criminals have learned very quickly that if they can get outside the shores of the united states, they are out of the reach of the law and are able to avoid the kind of efforts that have been made domestically. again, i have great respect for lamar smith and howard berman who led the effort in the house, but i think the legislation has some issues that needs to be

addressed. normally you want a bill introduced and an amendment process. you get back to a point where people decide this is a workable solution and move forward. this upon a whole new light when 10 million in else came flooding in. a lot of them were about freedom of speech. the terms of the debate change. you'd be hard-pressed to find 20 people in the subject matter of copyright. candidly, the opportunity to respond was almost eliminated entirely. the issue to not go away. we are looking for solutions to this. i do not believe anything will happen the remainder of this year. election year politics are difficult at any level. the idea of another issue like this is probably unwise. i leave it up to members of congress to decide this issue. my guess is they will not try to move forward right now. there are efforts underway and we need to find a solution to

the issue. my hope is this will require a level of profit -- cooperation between the content committee. the idea that technology can exist without content are content can exist without technology is ludicrous on its face, particularly when you consider the value to us as a country. we did not talk about these numbers today and i realize they are not highly persuasive. there is a lot of misinformation about the film and television industry. this industry employs 2.2 million people every day. an average salary is kidding $5,000 a year. good pensions, good health care benefits. we bring back more revenues to the united states than aerospace, agriculture, and automobiles. it is a product the world enjoys, even those who are not necessarily our friends. given the choice between watching a product made by the

television industry anywhere in the world would choose the american product. there is a lot at stake here. you can have a high-school diploma, a year or two of technical training, and get a very good job. again, those are not persuasive statistics. as rick pointed out, people see this as a victim of predict how much harm can i because if i am still in a film or television product for what we perceive as "overpaid people" in this business? how many average people whose names you are never going to see on the marquee -- watch the credits at the end. people operating can it -- operating cameras or working the sound systems. the 2% we read about or hear about represent the fraction of

the people affected by this. it is an important issue. my hope is that over this gap between now and next january or february, the people can come together around some solutions for national legislation. codify ideas that will allow us to move forward in the 21st century were content and intellectual property are protected. it is the lifeblood of any country. the internet itself would have been in deep trouble if you had this attitude about copyright 20 years ago. the very idea would be at risk. we really need leadership on this issue. my hope is we will get it in the coming weeks or months. i hope they do not call it sopa. this has become sort of a mantra enter nicely. >> other questions? >> thank you.

first of all, i will let you use an acronym that i coined -- p2p is good. i am concerned about -- pp23p. we have been looking in utah at ways to better protect those with an intellectual property from being stolen. my view of what happens -- members of my delegation have completely turned around -- this extremely well orchestrated, internet-based misinformation about what pipa did. the lies told online is what killed it. it was a very well orchestrated internet campaign that anyone

who supported pipa, as people who were anti free speech, who wanted to censor the internet, who wanted to cripple an innovative project innovative economy on the internet. even my kids camp out on me for being against free speech and against the internet. i am looking at a major corporation with the representatives in this room with their piracy, not liberty mantra, telling people to contact congress and stop censorship of the internet. i guarantee you that as agees go forward, i am inclined to do so -- go forward with ever to hold responsible for what is going on. we will face the same attacks. will be called anti-internet, want to center, big brother.

the internet is a very powerful lobby. my question -- i do not after of the question right now -- what is the plan to counter and to back us up when we go forward and stick our neck out and try to exercise our responsibilities to protect citizens and those being victimized -- victimized by this. i will try to counter this in a way that will match what i think we will see again as we move 04. >> first of all, thank you. you wrote one of the best pieces written during the whole debate. my thanks to you for doing so and sticking your neck out. we have got to be -- i think rick as sad as well -- we have allowed ourselves to become the opposition.

given the general reputation -- i say that respectfully -- of picking on the film and entertainment industry a sort of the opposition, there is no mention of the pharmaceutical industry, that are subject to intellect and an intellectual property to death. as long as it is a movie or a film, how much great harm could be caused? i think it is very important that we allow this conversation to talk about the consumer being victimized in ways. i think talking about the jobs you lose, while some people will be impressed by it -- the idea of exposing people to the dangers because of marketing faults -- faults pharmaceutical products -- 81 people have lost their lives because they have you lost a phony pharmaceutical products that cost them their lives sold over the internet. they are at risk in many ways as a result of engaging in the practice where that information

for their credit cards can cause them life-long problems, particularly if you are dealing with a foreign site to get that information. we have to move into the social media space to make sure we can also answered the questions. we were not in the space at all. i think not being in their best content people, we have a lot to say about what we do, what we produce, why it is important. in the absence of that being part of the discussion -- rick, you do understand. >> first of all, i really appreciate your support and that of many other attorneys general round the table on this issue. i completely agree with what you said. the short answer i would give is that the coalition that supported the legislation included the u.s. chamber of commerce, the afl/cio, many

sectors of the legislation as opposed restraints on. i think the challenge -- we need to broaden and deepen the coalition that is in support. the need to be voices across the country well outside of washington. that is partly an education process. it is partly simply encouraging both sectors of the economy and the workers and the groups who derive the benefit from the u.s. being a leader in technology, invention, innovation, and creativity to speak up and have their voices heard. secondly, i think we have to get a lot smarter and a lot more engaged in terms of the communication, the social media and respond in the way the campaign was run this time and be in a position to contradict

claims that do not have a basis in truth. in think those are the big challenges. broadening and deepening the coalition and having it well outside of washington i think would be much more effective in communicating. >> i appreciate that. literally millions of artists are the ones truly being injured on this. if i can give one plug -- someone has been working with us for 12 years. >> he is not getting a pay raise. [laughter] >> if we can keep working with him, that would be great. >> he does a great job. please join us in finding our panel. senator, thank you. [applause] >> i can accept gifts now. [laughter]

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