what happened is that congressman bob dornan used to fill in for him, and sometimes when i am interviewed, i can take over the show. he called me and said, would you like to host my show, i am going out for a couple of days. this was in october 1992. i have been doing it off and on since then. this is my big classroom. i love talking to people and trying to explain economics to people, and i think the combination of the talk-show and also writing a syndicated column, i get a lot of feedback from my fellow americans, and people will say, did you think about this? and it causes them to get more information than the average

person would have. i have benefited immensely from my exposure on the talk-show and television. >> how powerful is this show? >> it's the biggest talkshow in the history of radio, 20 million people per week. i think that what this does, talk radio in general has endangered the monopoly of the major media, with different ideas coming in, challenging conventional wisdom, which is powerful. >> next, bill cosby? >> when i was young, i was living in the housing projects in north philadelphia, my mother used to say, the boy will never get anywhere.

she was referring to bill cosby. we grew up in the same neighborhood. she was right about most things but she was wrong about that. >> and how well do you know him? >> i knew him well as a kid, but i have not seen him in many years. we served on the board of temple university. some of the people he talks about on the show, weird harold and fat albert, were guys in the neighborhood. >> julius erving, dr. j. >> he is a second cousin of mine. and of course i don't play basketball as well as he does. >> so you don't really have a relationship with them? >> what i found out about him is that after my father died -- he is a second cousin -- and one

of my aunts said, you have a famous cousin. this is how i found out we were related. >> what about your parents? >> they were were separated and divorced in the 1950's. my mother was a mother and father, very commanding, and she was the kind of woman, even though we were poor -- we have champagne taste, and she wanted us to do the best and disappointed her a few times by not doing the best. she would have to come talk about -- talk with it -- talk about me with teachers on numerous occasions. >> when did you think you would be a professor?

>> this is nothing that i planned. when i graduated from california state university with a bachelor's degree, i was planning on working for a bank or something like that. my father's third wife was a member of a sorority, and her sorority and seagram's gin were hosting an essay contest. it was decided at ucla. i wrote an essay and got -- i think i came in third or fourth. i was very disappointed, but the dean of ucla ran down the hallway and said, don't go away. the tuition is not that much. why don't you apply to the graduate school?

i applied and i was accepted. i think that my second or third year, i got a job at los angeles city college. teaching in the evening and i loved it so much, as for being a columnist for a public figure, this was not in my plans at all. >> how did this column start? >> i wrote for the philadelphia tribune. this was a very old black newspaper in philadelphia. the president of the philadelphia tribune contacted me, and said that i want to change the focus of the newspaper. he hired me to write a column once a week. and then, i was discovered, as it was, in 1980 when the heritage foundation was starting a syndicated column.

they invited me to be on the syndicate. ed grimsley, the editorial page editor of the "richmond times dispatch," said they liked the column but nobody was reading this, and they decided to carry my column for 35 years. >> what is the story on the creators syndicate? >> this was a friendly takeover of the heritage features. this was to send a kid and i think that maybe five or six or seven years -- this was taken over by the creators, and the president of the creative syndicate, he gives me a lot of degrees of freedom and he respects writers and i enjoy working with them. >> names association, about the

max? >> malcolm x? -- malcolm x? >> malcolm x was a hero of mine. i was quite a radical and thought the, "we shall overcome," this was not an effective way of gaining civil rights. i felt more confrontation was needed. >> what made you a radical and what does it mean? >> a radical, i am still a radical. i believe a radical is any person who believes in personal libery and individual freedom and limited government. i have always been a person who believed people should not interfere with me, and i should

do my own thing if i don't violate the rights of others. >> what is the difference in following malcolm x and martin luther king? >> at the time, i thought he was too much of a compromiser. i was willing to go in and confront people. my career in the army was part of that vision of confronting racial discrimination. >> how tall are you? >> 6'5". >> you were that height in the army? >> i was about 185 in the army. >> how did you get in the army? >> i was drafted, but i like to say my labor services were confisgated.

i was driving a taxi cab, making $300 a month driving a cab, and got this -- you will begin making $68. my labor services were confisgated. >> what was this right for you? >> -- what was this like for you? >> i was sent to fort stewart, georgia. i had some adjustment problems. i organized the black soldiers to go to the dance on the wrong night, and was threatened with a court martial. one of my friends asked a white girl to dance.

i said this was a military function on a military base and i was able to participate. he said, you know what it is down here. he said it -- down here, there is segregated dancing. >> supposedly, harry truman stopped all of this. who was setting the rules? >> what he did, he ended the segregation of forces, and there were black units and why units before he ended that but now -- the units were mixed at that time, with black soldiers in the same barracks. they went to the same mess hall to eat as white soldiers and

this was not true before. >> what was the difference -- you came out of philadelphia. what was the difference in the attitude of race? >> to give you an example, this is 1959. i was on the bus and i remember stopping, some town just south of -- just as you get into virginia. this was petersburg. petersburg, virginia. i woke up, and saw a sign. white waiting room and colored weighing room. in savannah, i got off the bus to walk around and i got back, and there was a lady sitting in my seat.

there is a white lady sitting in my seat. i said, excuse me. >> and she said, boy, this is taken. there was a commotion but the driver told the lady, he got on the bus in philadelphia and this is his seat. the lady started saying, back in my day, this would not have happened. when we got too high and still, this is where fort stewart is located, and the bus was pulling in the stop, the lady rolled her eyes at me, and i stuck my tongue out at her. and there was a share of parked across the street. she said, catch that -- and i said, i didn't call you. she called you.

she said i stuck my tongue out at her. i was escorted to my new post assignment. >> another name. john m. olin. >> the very wealthy person. and the olin foundation is responsible for the endowment at george mason university. the olin foundation is a free market foundation, and was headed by bill simon, under ford or reagan. >> nixon administration, i think. did you ever meet john olin? how does this work and what did they expect you to do? >> i probably had to have a

certain point of view. what bill simon said, he was in charge. he said, they won't give george mason two or three million dollars and let you live off the income. you may die or move, and they'll hire a marxist in your place. what we do, is keep the endowment at the olin foundation. we send you the income each year. to the base at george mason university. all that we want from you is an address. one of my friends, i was explaining this to one of my colleagues and he said, this is not really a chair, this is a wheelchair. it goes wherever you go.

i was a free-market person, a free-market economist and they were very satisfied with me. >> unlike most foundations, this shutdown? >> bill simon told me, he said that old man olin made him promise that the people he appointed to the board of directors, that the foundation would not exist beyond the lives of the people that he put in charge. and the reason why is because there is the mission dressed, that rockefeller and ford and carnegie, and pew, the great man who made huge amounts of wealth, they would be rolling in their graves if they knew that the foundation -- what the foundation was doing with their money. supporting anti-capitalist

causes, that they would never accept. olin fought a good idea would be for did not to exist rather than lose the mission. >> so the foundation shut down in 2005? >> one deal that they made with the university, since they pay my salary, and my secretary and my assistance, they paid for about 25 years or so, and they told the university that when it came to an end, the university would take responsibility for paying me. >> what do you do? >> i am teaching economics. i will teach the first ph.d. macro-economic course. and in the spring i have another course and i get a book out every now and then.

>> you have eight books? >> i have 10 books. >> another name association. f.a. hayek. >> a great mind, who wrote "the road to serfdom." he was putting out a warning on the move to socialism and the threats on liberty. he has written a number of books, and a number of papers, and he and milton friedman, they founded the society in 1946 -- that i am a member of. we have between 8 or 9 nobel

laureate economists. >> what does the society do? >> we have meetings in different places around the globe, where we discuss the threats on liberty. we are not politically affiliated. we avoid news conferences and things like that, although the individual members can do this. but the society is kind of bipartisan, or at least a week -- we do not seek publicity. >> thomas sole. >> this is another great economist, although he is still alive and kicking, and he just sent me a copy of his 47th book.

he is a brilliant economist. he has done some of the best writing on issues having to deal with race, and as a number of people -- a number of people know him because of his writings on -- excuse me. a number of people are familiar with him because of his writings on race, but some of his greatest work has been on the history of economic thought. he has done some of the top writing on people like -- jean baptiste se and other economists, avilla, the 18th and 16th centuries. >> if we took a survey from your previous students about the way that you teach, what would they say about you?

>> they might say that i am tough. there is a web site, ratemyprofessors.com. students will point out that i am demanding, and they like my class. >> what is demanding? >> to give you an idea, the first day of class, for the undergraduates, maybe this sophomores and juniors, i tell them that this is a real college course. you are going to be required to start things off with is, finding the subject and the object and the verb. i tell them, if this is too much, nothing is wrong with wanting this but you are in the wrong room. >> what do you want for them to

learn? >> i tell the graduate students and the undergraduate students, economics, more than anything else, this is a way of thinking, this is a way of reasoning with deductive logic. i want them to be able to apply economics to everyday occurrences, to be able to think systematically and logically. this is the job of an economics professor. >> when do they discover that you are tough? >> i think -- to give you an idea, for my class this spring, this semester, it starts at 7:30 in the morning. getting up -- getting out up -- getting up early, they have to have the stick-to-it-iveness.

this starts at 7:30, even in the cold days of winter, and in nice days in april and may. i tell them, these are the requirements. and also, i give unannounced quizzes, five or six, and i tell the students, each day you come to class, bring a number two pencil and a scantron. you never know when you get a quizz. my midterms are essays. you have to learn how to read and write and spell and practice writing legibly. >> if you were to define your political economic philosophy in a paragraph, what would this

be? >> this is challenging. i would say, my political philosophy is laissez-faire. people have the right to do whatever they wish as long as they did not violate the property rights of others. my thing about many issues, my initial premise that i make is that i own walter williams, and you are the property of brian lamb. when you start off with the idea of self-ownership, certain things r m morrow, and the reason is because they violate private property. murderer violates private property. rape is immoral. theft is immoral, it violates

private property. i say something else violates private property. the forcible use of one person to serve the purposes of another violates private property. the definition of slavery is the forcible use of one person for the purposes of another. if you look at goverment spending, americans are being forcibly used to serve the purposes of another. with intimidation and threats, your money is taken to serve the purposes of another. >> when did you begin to feel strongly about this? >> i don't remember, but maybe this was in the 1960's or the

1970's. in my younger days i was far more liberal, if you want to use that term, thinking that the government should play a bigger role. i think that maybe, when i started going to graduate school at ucla i started to ask some questions. >> do you remember anything happening in your life? >> i cannot think of anything. i became exposed to the writings of people like frederick basqueate and very tenacious professors who would not tolerate a nonsensical statement. i was a proponent of the mint -- the minimum wage and i had to say, are you more concerned

about the intentions behind minimum-wage or the effects of this? and so, he said, i want for you to read some stuff by milton friedman, and so they -- i became convinced that the effects of this were very counterproductive to the lower- skilled people. >> and evaluate the effects of public policy as opposed to intentions is basically what you have said. >> i think that to come up with compassionate policy requires that we engage in dispassionate analysis, that we separate ourselves away from compassion, because if we become compassionate in the analysis, we will wind up with a dispatch in the policy.

>> i have read that you like greed? >> let me go back. if you ask the question, what is the human motivation that gets the most wonderful things done, i would say that this is greed. i do not mean misrepresentation -- i mean people trying to get as much as they can for themselves. if you ask the question, the article that you may have read, you had cattle ranchers getting up in the dead of night and running out feeding stray cows, making a huge personal sacrifice to make certain that new york has beef on their shelves. you'll have idaho potato farmers doing backbreaking work, dirt underneath their fingernails and bugs biting them, making certain that new yorkers have potatoes.

do you think they are doing this because they love new yorkers? they do this because they love themselves and what more for themselves. in a free market, the way to get more for yourself is to serve your fellow man, to make your fellow man happier, to cater to his needs and his desires. the next question, how much beef and potatoes do you think that new yorkers would have if it all depended on human love and kindness? i would be worried about new yorkers. >> when you write a column, what is most successful and what grabs your attention, and how often do you do that? >> i just am watching the news, or i am talking to somebody, or i get an idea -- and some of my

columns from years ago, the thinking for the column was formed as i was riding my bike, going up a steep hill and you want to think of something else. >> how often do you do this? >> i not as much as i used to. between april and november, for many years, i would go to thousand 300 miles, and the reason why it is because april- november -- is not as cold. but now i do this once or twice a week, and not in the winter. >> and these are long distances? >> this is maybe about 25 miles, round trip. >> we have a number of places where people can find your column, townhall.com,

jewishworldreview.com, the libertypenblog.com. >> and walterewilliams.com. >> and where -- what is the column with the most attention, and why? >> recently, the columns that bring in the most attention and some of the uglier mail is when i talk about social security and medicare. and goverment programs for the elderly. and i think that there is no constitutional authority for social security. i think it is unconstitutional and a bad deal as well. the rate of return is very low. but it turns out some people benefit immensely from social

security. a person who starts drawing social security in 1980 gets all that he put into social security, plus interest in 2.8 years. the person entering the labour force will have to live until he is 92 to break-even. i think that -- and i talk about this in my columns, social security and medicare is a perverse form of income redistribution from people who have less money to people who have more. people over 65 have the highest net worth among any age group in the country and 70% of them own their homes outright. you cannot find another age group with that kind of net worth, so you see -- how just as this, to take money from a 25-year-old, to subsidize

someone who is far more wealthy? >> i want to show you something you said in 1991 at a citizens for a sound economy session. >> we all recognize that we have had one balanced budget in the united states in 34 years. and i believe in 28 of those years, you have had some kind of tax increase, and the justification was to balance the budget. we even have the 1978 balanced budget act, signed through congress. with all of this evidence i don't think it is being too unkind on my behalf to suggest that we have a congress that is a bunch of liars and hustlers

and exploiters of public ignorance. >> liars and hustlers? >> i don't think much has changed. >> what did you mean? >> they say we are having this tax increase to balance the budget. but where is the balanced budget? congress misleads the american people on -- the recent unemployment statistics, where congress and the president say, unemployment is going down, when they fail to include the people who just dropped out of the labour market. and if you look at real unemployment statistics you may talk about 15%. >> what are the chances that a balanced budget does not mean anything? >> a balanced budget -- a

balanced budget does really protect us, because, right now the federal government spends close to former dollars trillion per year. the gdp is 15 trillion dollars -- $15 trillion. they could spend $15 million -- and we would have a balanced budget, but how free would we be? the issue having to do with our liberty is federal spending, not what the taxes are, but the federal spending. for most of our history, from 1787 until 1920, the federal government was only 3% of the gdp. now they are between 25-30%. >> here you are in 1988, still in the middle -- at the end of the term of ronald reagan.

>> i would say that the reagan administration has not delivered on its campaign promises. things like dismantling the department of education, getting rid of the department of energy, cutting down on government spending. government spending is far more than it was when he took office. in terms of performance and delivering on campaign promises i think that this is indeed a failure in that sense. it is successful in another sense, him that the level of debate -- debate has been raised -- with the legitimate role of government in a free society. >> that was a show on here at the end of the reagan administration. what is your reaction today? >> not much has changed.

we still need task -- what is the legitimate role of government in the free society, and the legitimate role of government in the free society is not that of the government taking what belongs to one american and giving it to someone to whom it does not belong. >> have you known the president to keep his promise? >> i do not. and you cannot fully blamed this on the president. i suggest to people, you cannot blame the problems that we face fully on politicians. politicians, you can blame them a little bit for violating the oath of office, but politicians are doing what the american people are letting them do. what did they elect the politicians to do? to use the power of their office to take what belongs to

one american and bring it back to them. they want politicians to do for them white -- if they did the identical thing privately, they would go to jail. if i took your money to help some elderly person or some poor person, i would go to jail. >> why can't the public hold them accountable? >> because they are doing what the public wants them to do. just imagine -- some of the viewers may be upset about this, but imagine i am running for the united states senate, from north carolina, or any state. i go back and forth across the state and i tell my fellow north carolinian, if you elect me, i have read the constitution. if you elect me, don't expect

aid for higher education or highway construction funds, or other projects, meals on wheels, a senior citizens and prescription drugs. this is not in the united states constitution. do you think that i would get elected to the senator from north carolina? i would not. i would not be doing what they want me to do, which is to use the power of my office to take what belongs to one person and bring it back to the people of north carolina. here is the tragedy of our country. that would be acting absolutely correctly in terms of their own interests. the reason is because if i don't bring this back, it does not mean that they will pay lower federal income tax, all that means is that it will go

to south carolina. and when legalized theft begins, it pays for everyone to participate. >> here you are in 1995, talking about the debt ceiling. >> the markets are future- oriented. when we have this debate in congress, if the market perceives that we will get our deficit and spending under control, it is just as easy for the bond market to shoot up. and the long-term bond market to go up. and as we work on the crux of the immediate crisis, and not coping with the deficit, the bond market can go down. because these guys are not serious about the future.

>> in 1995, it was $5.50 trillion, and now it is $14.50 trillion. it is probably higher than that. how far can you go? >> i think there is a limit, because one thing that has happened to serve us very well, is that our country has been maybe the most stable country in the world and people are willing to buy our debt. the chinese and the japanese are willing to pick up these treasurys. >> those numbers as of the end of december. china owns 23% of the foreign debt, japan is up, united kingdom, 114 -- $114 billion. brazil, $207 billion.

>> if they were not buying the debt, we would be in deep trouble. >> why are they doing this? >> where else can they put their money? the united states has been a safe place to put your money. they will not buy bonds from greece, were from portugal or spain, or england or many of the other countries that have relatively unstable economies, that are politically unstable. >> how far can this go? >> what a lot of people don't realize is that our country can become just like greece. the per capita debt in the united states is around $44 million for each american, and

in greece this is about $42 million. as we spend it, and as the government gets larger and larger, we will be less able to take care of our debt. what will happen is that the government is just going to repudiate the debt. there is no way in the world we will be able to pay $14 trillion in debt. and one way that nation's repudiate the debt is by inflating their currency. >> when you are teaching, how often do you see students change their attitude about anything? >> the kind of conversations we're having now, the subjects of my syndicated columns, then leveled -- never appear in my classroom. i think that it is dishonest, academically dishonest for a

professor to use his classroom to process students. and i tell the students on the first day of class, that this is an economics course, and we are going to talk about positive economics, and not my values and not your values. i think that giving students my values is academically dishonest. i think that students will share my values if they learn how to think rigorously. >> rush limbaugh does not think much of academia. >> i do not blame him. academics live a very charmed life. they are underworked and overpaid for the most. .

and that includes me as well. but i think i do a fairly good job. and most of my money has come from the olin foundation rather than taxpayers. academics leave a lot to be desired. they have a vision of the world they think is superior, and one of the jobs is to impose their vision on others. and if you ask that question, people say, academics are smart, being smart does not carry a lot of weight with me. i think the world has been messed up with smart people. dumb people have not messed up anything in the world. >> you speak about organ up -- organ donor ship, and this is from 1999, the independent institute at oakland, california.

>> people have the right to sell their organs, and they should have the right to leave their organs to their heirs. my doctor was trying to get me to stop smoking. i said, what sense does it make to put pink lungs in the ground? [laughter] i said, i told him -- when you die, you should go out in a big bang. that is -- everything should be wrong with you. you kind of feel sorry for the guy who died of one thing. you know, heart attack. his liver is good, he didn't drink enough. lungs are good, he didn't smoke enough. now, if i could bequeath my organs to my daughter, i would

have an incentive to take better care of them. >> why can't we sell the organs? >> it is a violation of private property. my test of if i own something is if i can sell it. i don't have the right to sell them because they belong to someone else. i believe that having a market for organs would be very good for people who need this. there are huge lists of people on the organ transplant list, that are not being served because people cannot sell their organs. >> but you can give them away. >> i can just imagine. i am in the hospital, dying, and the doctor asks my daughter, can we have his liver.

she may be crying in very upset. and she may say, i want to be buried with everything. but if the doctor says, we will give you $100,000, she says, you can have whatever you want. it would create incentives for people to take care of their organs. >> where is your daughter today? talkdon't think i want to about this on the show, but she is doing very well. she's a teacher taking graduate courses. she is 37. my wife and i had children late. i don't look like it, but i have been alive one-third of the time our country has been in existence.

my wife, -- we were married 14 years before my daughter was born. >> when did your wife die? >> 2007. she was a charmling lady. she -- charming lady. she civilized me. >> where did you meet her? >> philadelphia, while i was driving a taxi. a bunch of drivers and their girlfriends would get together after work. and i met her when we got together. >> why did you feel less civilized? >> when we got married, we moved to los angeles. she is very popular, good looking lady as well. we would get invited to parties. and we would come home, and

she'd say, "did you have to say that?" or "do you have to prove you are smarter than other people?" civilizing. i got a lot of lessons from her. and she was a great partner. we both grew up poor in north philadelphia. we shared a vision that we both wanted much more. >> how long was the marriage? >> 48 years. we were together a half-century. >> do you feel any different in that you are no longer poor, and mentally, are poeple better off with more money? >> by all means. my wife, before she passed away, we were complimenting ourselves at a table, saying, is wonderful when we can say, we

don't need money anymore. for the first time in our lives, we had everything that we wanted and we were in no debt. that is one of the old-fashioned things about us. when we walked out of the sales room, we owned the car. we paid off our houses, we doubled up on the mortgage. i am part of the era that believes to be in debt was not a great moral failing. but now this is no problem to people. >> how did the smoking go? >> this will be the fourth year without smoking. >> was it hard to stop? >> i took chantix and it went well. it isa blocker, it blocks the

part of your brain that makes you feel good from smoking. >> that is the advertisement that spends half the time telling you your are may fall off? and one more clip from the past. >> our cities are supposed to be in the business of building convention centers, which are losing propositions. are they supposed to be in the position of feeding homeless, people i describe as bums and parasites. are they supposed to be in the business of urban renewal? are they supposed to be in the business of issuing condoms in high schools. the yare doing things i don't

think they are supposed to be doing. if you are doing what you shouldn't do, you won't do the things you are supposed to. >> i think i'm still right. if you look at the things that cities have traditionally done, protecting people, producing law and order, may be providing public education to the extent that the city should be involved in public education, those kinds of things that the cities were supposed to be doing are not being done very well. washington is a classic example, of rotten schools and unsafe streets, and many other cities are in the same straits. and again, quoting my grandmother, when you are doing something you are not supposed to do something, participating

in drug programs, condoms and pregnancy and these other things cities are involved in -- you cannot do what you are supposed to. >> what can you tell me about your grandmother? >> her mother and father were slaves, and she used to talk about these kinds of things. the kinds of things they told her about slavery. she grew up in newport news, virginia. she was very proud of me and one reason is because i accomplished a number of things. i was the first person in our entire family to graduate from high school. >> and where did you come in contact with her the most? >> she was on my mother's side. >> and where did she live? >> in a housing project down the street from us.

i was one of her favorites and sometimes my mother would force me of the house with no breakfast and the reason why is because i was supposed to get my breakfast but i was involved in teasing my sister and she would not allow my sister to be in the house alone. i would have to leave when she was not -- when she was not at home. and i would go to my grandmother and say i did not get any breakfast. and she would feed me and then fuss with my mother. >> we talked about your daughter, do you have other children? >> just one daughter. >> my wife did not want any children because she is the youngest of nine children, and we settled with one. >> how long will you teach? >> i will teach until -- i will

teach as long as i can maintain my mental faculties. >> have you missed anything? >> in what sense? >> things you wanted to do besides write and pinch-hit for limbaugh on his radio show? >> i haven't missed anything. the day i die i want to have taught that morning. i have led a charmed life in that i am happy doing everything i do. i look forward to doing what i'm doing. and in july i get lonesome for the students. >> year-round, where do you live? george mason is in the area -- >> i live in valley forge.

>> why do you do that and commute? >> i took a job at george mason university. they were a free market department. i like my colleagues and we have developed, since 1980, a distinguished department. one of our laureates is james buchanan, who won the nobel prize in 1986. and vernon smith was there for a year and a half before he won the nobel prize in 2002. >> when is the next time we can hear you three hours on the rush limbaugh show? >> most timese i can make it but sometimes we can't get the schedule together. i've done it in new york but a

couple of times from washington d.c. i can see the engineer, and seeing him and the call screener makes a difference. >> dr. walter williams, we are out of time. thank you. ♪ >> for a dvd copy of this program, call 1877 662 7726. for free transcripts, visit us at -- c-span.org. these are also available as c- span podcasts. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national

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