question concerning -- what's your video on youtube. >> there is no doubt in the minds of many egyptians, and that was by ex-president george bush that the administration supported a dictatorship for the past six years. to support dictatorships and the side of the administration, it is a shift toward the future. the administration has detains its policy to the arab world and has to work with the people of egypt and tunisia and other places as well. these are true realities in the arab world.

in the coming years if relationship based on freedom and justice for all, respecting our differences and willing to work together it will be able to create. egypt is not egypt of the president. egypt is of the egyptian people. no country should accept interference from any outside country. >> then there was the second part that had to do with the red sea. >> that was during the political complaint. how about people who are asking to come out to mubarak? what if the united states does not like the election result? the united states can do

whatever it wants. it is an egyptian decision. if the united states likes it, we are happy. if you do not like it, recanting from the red sea or the white sea. we have to -- you can drink from the red sea or the white sea. we have two sees. we have to make use of them. >> in and egyptian activists. i was disappointed with your statements. i would like to ask you that the constitution cannot be written by the majority. mubarak is to do the majority rule. we should not use people from parliament from the constitution. >> thank you for asking.

it is a valid question. it is very important to know that this represents more than 47%. in spite of this, we became underrepresented. the people will choose those who would write the constitution. this included liberal [inaudible] it was interesting about the committee writing the constitution. it is described by both

extremes. we will continue exactly that the committee is trying to be in the middle and invite everyone to the addition. these are the committee's that would involve anyone. it belongs to the egyptians. the voices have to be included. they have representatives from them living outside of this. writing the constitution is open for everyone. we welcome every voice. the people have a constitution that the egyptians will be proud of. -- we will have a constitution that the egyptians will be proud of. >> i have two quick points. one is the direction of a electing the assembly.

over 70% of egyptians voted for the parliament's. this was democratically decided. the party proposed when this came out. at the end of the day it was still open to suggestions. at the end of the day, the egyptians will vote on everything in constitution.

thank you. >> thank you for coming. my question is about your check here. you were scheduled to us today to speak at the muslim public affairs company. it is the only one on your agenda. they say you canceled because to insisted on seeing a list of the attendees. they put this out in a public e-mail. why did you insist on getting solicited attendees? >> this is a miscommunication. in the past few weeks, the invitation is by the carnegie endowment for peace conference. since then, we have received so

many requests to meet their out this week -- throughout this week. social things got pushed out. it is unfortunate that impact decided to announce it before confirming with us. it was good to talk to everybody but then the american society. >> we are asked not to submit any names. we have submitted them to dhs on the other hand. if you're going to travel, good luck. [laughter]

>> i am a business consultant. it is an offshoot of the muslim brotherhood. why do they change the position all the time? is that he would not have a presidential candidates. when one of your members said that you would like to run for presidency, a you fired him from the party. at the same time, i do not think this is democratic. are you going to adhere to the policy that you announced? is it going to be always changing positions from one to the other? >> i will start by saying that with the needed to does not matter any more. i want to realize that there has been a revolution with a certain set of values.

if this violates it, we realize the next election will be punished. we know exactly what are caught this looks like. it is an offshoot of a movement. our compass is not one that is internally in one looking. on the nomination of the president come here is the situation. what happens is we engaged in discussions. it is running like the present authority in egypt to give this a specific message that your

reign of the country starts with the parliament. if you are not allowed to have any significant representation in the executive arm of the government. that is funny for a party that won the election. i can give you all the details. this is its. we are stepping our foot down. you're taking too much. your role is in the parliament. you would set the whole thing to fail. our nomination of a presidential candidates came at the heel of the staff refusing to allow the party to form a coalition government with other parties. some answer to the people. some answer to the parliament. i guess we follow the economic indicators. the muslim brotherhood is still waiting for that to happen.

we still believe that the country cannot be run by one group. this is for very obvious reasons. it is a complicated situation in egypt. no one wants to take that burden upon themselves. our sense is still the same. we would like to be important to everyone who can contribute to to saving egypt. we will not stand still. you do not have a right to be in the government. >> there was a second part to that question that i want to make sure the answer that. >> it came at a time where the group had a good policy. we do not want to be monopolizing all the positions. at that time, he said "i do not care, i will run anyway." it is a very different reality.

i know how this looks. now that was months ago. >> the process itself was deciding the democratic process, whether he used consulting in a decision making body. hundred and 10 individuals spent hours to make the decision at the end -- 110 individual spent hours to make the decision. the overwhelming majority of votes it about this. they attended ones. he is right. we have the utmost respect.

if he decided to go outside this then it is his right. but it is also our right to continue on a different path. >> they look contradictory but science has shifted significantly. -- but signs have shifted to the densely. >> one of the candidates to is in the background seems to be really moving up. that also was one of the catalysts. can you address that? >> as we go there, it will be a difficult situation. we're looking into what is best for the egyptian people. we have things based on what is good for egypt in the short term

and long term. what is good for egypt is basically finding a candidates. now we need it from our end. who will make sure that each of follows a democratic path. >> thank you very much for being here and taking our questions. in your presentation and discussion, you talked a lot about values. there were broad strokes when it came to policy. much of your platform was based on those values. i'm curious what you think they need to do to develop its policy analysis developments, either

within the government's to tackle these issues. this is for the egyptian people. what many have done is gone in and say "this is what you need and what you should have." what concrete policy things to the egyptian people need a? >> do you want for our economic policy? >> i think he said domestic. >> thank you very much. but he said all of it. >> just give one example. >> it is our reproduce one document that is circulating for discussions.

we are biting everybody to contribute. specifically, it is best to give an example. this is how it is translated. we have distractive political and economic institutions. we have a few that used to distract from the economy. they use it to a system that it means. it is through all kinds of protection through the governments. it is very funny real-estate deals and tax breaks. there are three industries in

egypt that are concentrated. values are extremely high. this is the reality. that reality has created a very weak economy. the egyptian contribution to the global economy is less than 30% of 1% for a population that is 1.2% of the world economy. what we have proposed is to create the inclusive institution. we're taking to specific measures to include much more people in the economy. it increased the demand. it will hopefully improve social justice. one measure is to reverse the very specific measures that the mubarak regime has taken. in terms of tax breaks and so on and so forth.

we are launching a very aggressive campaign. we are not the first to think of it. many campaigns have been launched. they did not succeed. this is a technical issue and a political issue. we're trying to use the grass roots of our party to create an enterprise that will succeed. they want to stimulate the economy and create jobs. with this mentality, we hope the broad base will translate for equality and justice and so on.

but thank you for coming. you guys were talking about the constitutional committee he were pulling you in two different directions perrin in terms of human dignity and freedom, -- into different directions. in terms of human dignity and freedom, what is the position of the freedom and justice party on these issues? how much of them are influenced by the actual values in foundations of the parti?

>> the values you mentioned are a matter of consensus. we have been signatories to different documents. they were explaining these principles in the main principles of the egyptian constitution. we have assigned to documents, of the democratic alliance and the second was another document where we expressed our full commitment to those principles together with the rest of the political party.

i do not think this is a matter of disagreement between us and the rest of the parties. even between us and christians. i think the differences had to do with the prose itself. perhaps a had a political dimension. it had nothing to do with disagreeing upon those values. >> this characterization is liberal list of one side and traditionalists on the other side. this has been a struggle for the last 200 years. this holds which direction we go in. i remember egyptians thinking there is no way for this unless it is europeanized. we have nothing to do with europe. it has to come only from tradition.

the freedom and justice party is taking a middle ground. we have a tradition that needs to be respected. this is where we started from. we cannot ignore human civilization. europe has great things to offer. did the united states has great things to offer. we choose what we like and leave what we do not. >> go ahead. >> from the conflict resolution program, my question is this. what have you found are the best ways to negotiate and resolve this within your coalition and within other parties? >> don't be shy. >> it is very tough. a member we had at least 30 years of political life that was so dry that we actually do

not have any serious debates or process in place. all of a sudden, we are expected to decide the fate of our country there a very democratic process for which traditions and figureheads and histories are being billed as we go. it is a very tough process. what have we done about it? we try to get in team meetings come at mediators, come up with

grounds and so on. is it working? not 100%. we have such a high atmosphere of around all of us, that even the simplest issues are very hard to discuss rationally. everything in egypt nowadays is so hyped up. you are familiar with how past and the egyptian people are. if you've ever been to an egyptian funeral our wedding, we have won every single day on the political scene and now. -- one every single day on the political scene now. you feel that this is going to break the whole thing.

there is another issue that is going to bring the whole thing. the issue has receded. i am not trying to market. this is characteristic of the post-revolution era. we need to embrace its. >> at the beginning of the revolution, i run a private school with an american curriculum. at the beginning of the revolution, one small group of students came to me and said are you sure -- is said to make sure you read a piece a week. he is telling us that these are non patriotic. part of the big international movements. i think they were pushing me to fire the guy.

i sit on a very interesting. what can we do about it? should i fire him? we will bring this teacher and whoever has another opinion and we will start a debate between both parties. it was a very interesting debate. i informed the teacher the day before so it is a fair competition. this group came for me to fire him. they started discussing and debating with this. it is a beautiful debate. they wanted good for egypt. it was a healthy solution. these solutions are to the education.

>> another challenges we face, when you come out of oppression, you cannot say anything to anyone. if there's only one vote. all of a sudden, that voice disappears. you have so many different voices. i used to use the seventh habits of highly successful people. i used to say we have two years in one town. let's listen twice. -- two ears and one tongue. let's listen twice. >> my name is john anderson. i am an independent analyst. my question involves party finance and electoral campaign

finance, particularly from foreign sources. since the arrest by the government's both u.s. and egyptian, a democracy promoters seem to be a healthy debate. democracy promotion on the one hand eventually campaigns and party activities. my question is given the long history of support that the muslim brotherhood's funds from foreign sources, particularly

from the gulf and perhaps elsewhere. not necessarily from governmental sources. what is the position of fjp in regard to foreign sources of political party activities, electoral campaigns? what specifically will the fjp do to ensure all egyptians have accurate information with regard to political party activities in the sources of campaign funding? >> financing is a very interesting debate. there is a lot of debate on rules and regulations. there are different models.

the idea is that the government propose something before the parliament that was done. they chose to run and regulate the parties. this is how we operate. this indicates that cannot receive international funding. even specifically with the gulf countries, and the situation is even. we want them to invest in each it entirely. the party financing will not have any problems. to have a huge membership from within the muslim brotherhood in from outside the muslim brotherhood. a the% of the party members are from outside the brotherhood. we have a good representation

even outside the muslim brotherhood's. we like to support our members. they said this internationally. this involves a lot of intervention. we think international funding has the respect of this. what we want to encourage generally is this. >> they're also making public

the campaign funding. >>, will they make public to the egyptians and other their sources of campaign funding? >> the short answer is yes. they have to. i would like to make clear that during mubarak, there is no right to any information. i initiated the discussions. it is being discussed.

information has to be public. >> i am a retired federal employee. i like members to explain why with few exceptions christians are persecuted, their churches burned, they're forced to convert to islam. >> you have made your statement. they heard it. >> i want to give them an example. >> this has to do it the egyptian situation. the first part of what he said they can. they're primarily speaking about the egyptian experience. but sears talking got any other place other than egypt.

>> today suffered? yes. tremendously so. boast active as encryption suffered. -- both christians and egyptians suffered. 10 years ago, i was in a meeting with the president of the university that was a promising girl. she became the first effort class. she is supposed to be a teacher's assistant. to my surprise i found the president and we cannot. i was so angry. it was a stupid statement from my side. i did not agree with that.

i promised myself during my teaching career in a caustic -- kosic would be treated as any other muslim. this is the history of egypt. people go to the mosque. people go to the mosque. we are very determined. another ornament of the world. we will do this as muslims and christians as equal citizens to move forward and present an alternative that is good for the rest of the world. >> i want to piggyback on that question. the broader issue is very important. and number of places from nigeria over to indonesia, there are issues. we intend to run a major

program. given what you said, what of the questions that some raised, one talks about supporting a civil society that is neither run by the military or theocracy. with islam as the state religion the no. 2 person in the muslim brotherhood talked about the fact that it is clear that the people want an islamic state. this language is important. tunisia since to talk about civil government. we have a number of words floating around. >> the second man in the freedom and justice party is a christian. the freedom is welcoming.

i think this is more of an islamic state. a civil is state is what the freedom and justice party is calling for. an islamic state is different from a muslim state. an islamic state means a state where christians, jews, and muslims can live together and work together. a muslim state is exclusive to muslims only. it is important to make a distinction about this. there's also a discussion of what do we put [inaudible] we are focusing more on the

objective of the sharia rather than the rulings. rulings are limited by time and space. it is universal like freedom and human rights. it's this is the priority of the freedom and justice party. >> often in american literature, the way you describe muslim an islamic state is often just the opposite in terms of terminology. beckett also be true in european -- that can also be true in europe with how people view that phrase. >> the christians do not have the same opportunity to build houses of worship that is available. >> one has to see this. there will be a change. the policy you are referring to did not happen because of islamic rule.

it also existed hundreds of years ago. >> can i put something on record here? if christians need this, i myself will participate in building the church so someone can call me later. >> i just want to, and trying to figure out how we're going to do this. can we go an additional five minutes? is that ok? we have a problem with all of the people there. let's take three questions and see if we can get through those and i will see if i can take another three questions. you do a question and then we will do a question there and then to the panel.

>> i have a question about the legitimacy of the freedom of justice party, specifically after the recent announcement of the presidential candidates. yet been getting support from people who are not members of the muslim brotherhood's. a lot did these people are rethinking their decision to vote for you after you change your opinion. >> so your question is? >> it is a close call between deciding to nominate him. how are you going to reassure the rest of the public that you are stable as a political party internally to leave egypt now that it is obvious for egypt is going? >> thank you. >> my question is what they in general are doing to promote female political participation.

>> i am egyptian political activists. i was there when the muslim brotherhood was there. >> question, please. >> they had their officially. >> question please. >> i do have a question. i also have the right. >> you do not. >> i do. >> that is a rugged american individualism. >> given that we're in this atmosphere, i probably don't. >> that is right. >> they recently said that islamists and islamic role works in several stages. he recently gave the speech. what stage of stabilization are we in?

>> the question. -- good question. you have three questions. >> concerning theme of participation, i would just like to confess that we are not happy about the situation of women in egypt. we think the presentation of women in the parliaments as well as their engagements here. it is part of our platform to engage women both in civil society and in the next municipal elections, we are intending to build more women candidates. we're working to improve the

situation of women in society. we are conducting research across egypt for the skill of the problem. we have lots of solution to that. this is one of the priorities of our parliamentary agenda and our party platform. >> how many candidates did the fjp run in the last elections that i'm not asking how many succeeded. what about 70. -- elections? i am not asking how many succeeded. >> about 70. >> we have the largest number. >> the stability of the party

was simply running extensive dialogue on why he made that decision. we believe that the end of the day the party would be stable as long as the stands it takes still make sense to the majority of the people. i think people start understanding once they hear the facts. we are for empowerment of the egyptian people. i am not clear on where the problem is. they were busy with 100,000 of them in jail. >> i think the question was referring to a speech in which it was plugged into the notion. >> as he mentioned, it means

empowerment. this is empowerment of society in different ways. it is the way we see our development. it is interesting to use these terms and cliche is. i do not see anybody upset with the european union or the united states. there are international forums for people talk was similar. there are different parties and countries in agreement together. this is simply the modern translation of this.

>> i'm only going to ask for two more questions. they have an incredible schedule. here. here. >> thank you for being here. my question is how you define freedom of speech and religion? you spoke of the right to speak truth to power. do you believe in the right up egyptian citizens to criticize or doubt is lomb? [applause] >> if you allow me, i am interested in asking you as the islamic party. are you trying to say -- do you balance between the universal

principle? just in case you fail in leading the country, don't you think this would affect is lomb? >> we have two questions. >> religion is a human choice. you cannot force anyone to love a particular religion. whoever wants to believe, let him or her bill be. if they do not come at it is his or her decision.

this is very clear. the alternative is being criticized by some many people. you have to be able to accept the criticism. we have to distinguish its. we are not islam. we are muslims. we would like to present a muslim alternative that can succeed or can fail. we have to be prepared that this is a human experience. in human experience is the can succeed but there is a 50/50 chance.

hopefully, we will really determined to present an alternative that is good not only for egypt or arabs or muslims fought for the rest of the world. >> thank you. excuse me. thank you all very much for coming. i want to thank the delegation. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] i appreciate that this is at the lunch hour. i ask for a gourmet lunch. we hope to see you in the future.

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bush in response to 9/11 and allow the federal government to really tapped and better to the communication system to understand the banking system, to be able to trace and find, apprehend and prosecute people who might be involved in terrorism either within or without side the united states. >> the patriot act is a collection of laws, created to tweak existing laws or modify substantially existing laws in many different aspects of law enforcement, intelligence gathering, different agencies of government. it modified many, many things. >> for me, civil liberties are what you find in the bill of rights. the fact that we have our several liberties in the united states is what makes it so

great. we have the right to free speech and the right to assemble. we have the be freed them in here and our constitution and therefore everyone to enjoy. in my opinion, my civil liberties important to me are the ones protected in the bill of rights. >> civil liberties are codified or sets forth in the first 10 amendments to our constitution, so as a lawyer that is what i think about, but as a citizen, a civil letter -- liberties are those aspects of the constitution of the protections that we have that simply make as americans that give us a set of rights and privileges we have as americans. >> how are you seeing as right now? >> obey, and you died. >> someone is hacking it to the power grids.

do you have a theory? >> i do not believe they are using anything. obviously anything that is law- abiding, they follow the law. i do believe the ability and the people that use them are using them in the best interest of the united states. >> i don't. i am a person that believes that anything done under the patriot act, and there are examples where you can do warrantless searchers -- searches for information, and that some scary on its face, but i know that the government, should they attempt to use that against someone, still enjoys the protections of due process. if the federal government wants to prosecute for information they obtained with a warrant that a judge has not signed, you have the opportunity to

challenge that. a judge gets to your decades. if something was done improperly, that is what the judge is there to protect. the entire system of justice really ushers that even though the patriot act has really brought turned the power of the federal government, -- broadened the power of the government, it will always be used fairly against you. >> do you believe the government is abusing the patriot act? >> i definitely do. most of it was designed around keeping an eye on the river could people, and it is very rare american people are causing terrorism to its own country. >> that is a difficult question. the reason why is often times it is the safety we have that people use information to make sure they protect us. that is the way you have, whether you want that to be more important than them taking the information you have that you

consider personal and using it away you might not find to be acceptable. >> i have a report that says fbi intelligence investigations have compromised the civil liberties of american citizens to a greater extent than was previously assumed. >> go ahead. >> the patriot act is a destructive undermining of the constitution. we started this congress off with the discussion about reading the constitution. many of us carry constitutions with us and our pockets. how about today we take a stand for the constitution to say it all americans should be brief from search?

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discussion with elected officials and cabinet ministers from egypt, tunisia, rocco, jordan, and libya. coming next here on c-span, " washington journal" with the day's headlines. and the deadline to file federal income taxes is april 17. at 2:00 eastern, president obama signing legislation designed to make it easier for small companies to sell stock in an initial public offerings. joining us on this morning's washington journal, the chairman of gopac on unregistered voters and the presidential election. juppchuck collins talks about his new book. we will also look at the inspector general report that inspector general report that criticizes