we came back, and some of you know we have been working over the course of time to help. i've stayed in touch with invisible child and the nonprofit that was created after the plea that jacob said to ben, who's here in the audience. he looked at ben, and you saw it on the video. he said, ben, i'd rather die than live on an earth with no justice.

and he's absolutely correct. the sad thing is there are millions and millions of children and families living in places where there is no justice. this might not be the greatest atrocity that ever occurred, but it is most certainly worth our time and worth our action. i don't know what the state department said, but i hope they stepped up their efforts. i don't know what the defense department has said. i hope they step up their efforts. and i hope that your committee and the work that we can do here will keep the focus on this tragedy, will stop this raging maniac of a terrorist who believes that he is being led by some higher spiritual calling, which, of course, not related to any church or religion that you or i would be familiar with, but evidently there's some higher spiritual calling that empowers him to slice 5-year-olds in half in front of their mother and then

drag the brother and sister into servitude, that allows children or forces children to kill their own fathers in front of their family by slicing them to pieces, and then terrorizes children, never really truly in my life ever heard of such horrors. the fact that all the governments of the world can't seem to catch him and to bring him to justice is a real puzzlement to me. but i'm going to turn the mic over to two people who are far morrell again on this subject than i am who have literally given their life for this cause , and with the invisible children, that's one of the greatest n.g.o.'s i have ever known and they have my full and complete and undying loyalty to the work that they do to inspire children to act and respond. i want to introduce you to jacob, who's been presented in the video. but at the age of 11, now jacob is 21, he's studying to become

a human rights lawyer. i am confident that he will be one of the greatest human rights lawyers ever to practice on the planet. he was one of the 41 youth taken from a ugandan village by joe kony. fortunately, jacob escaped. he can tell you how and his moving story is the emotional centerpiece of the video that you just saw. i want to also recognize miss jolie, who is the on-the-ground coordinator for invisible children. she is the former ugandan country director. now she's working in a more regional way, because as you know, we believe joe kony has left uganda and is now terrorizing an area of france, but he can be caught if we would put our mind to it. and just by catching him and his few followers, this whole

reign of terror for 25 years could come to an end. this is not, contrary to what some of the experts say, that complicated, in my opinion. among her many credentials, she is experienced in program droment and coordination and logistics. how she's managed to continue all of this work all this time is beyond me. she's focused on all children, but kickly girls in the sub region of the country. i'll close with this. if we can't find and honor the voices of the children in our country, your daughters, my daughters, the second child was my own daughter, who came home from easter break this year and said, mom, do you know joe kony, and i said i know you don't think your mother knows much, but i do know joe kony. and we talked about it. she encouraged me to watch the video, which inspired me to re-energize myself.

so let us stay energized. let us not rely on our children to shake our conscience to stay energized. and i turn it over to these two extraordinary people. i thank, again, invisible children and the leaders here representing this extraordinary nonprofit and the work that they're doing to bring truth to the eyes of the world by the voices. >> thank you for your advocacy on this issue, for bringing the voice of the children who touched you, your daughter, your niece, and help encourage and inspire work by this subcommittee and by all of us in the senate. i very much look forward to working together over the long haul to restore a sense of justice and security to the children all over the world who have been haunted by this, and let's now turn to miss jolie cook and then jacob.

jolie? >> thank you so much. i would like to appreciate so much the big effort that you have put to make sure that this will come to an end. it has been going on for the last 26 years. i was -- and i want to thank you, mary, for the passion you have to ensure that the children who are still suffering in the hands of joseph kony get a second chance at the way i am right now. and i want to thank the u.s. government so much for being involved and putting this agenda on top of all the other issues that they have. it means a lot to us. that has shown there's a lot of love for the people, he is

especially the people of northern uganda, and democratic republic of congo. i want to share my personal story that i grew up in northern uganda. and from day one, when this war started, i saw it as a transition to this, and i lost my teenage to this war. i couldn't finish it up, because i got involved and i got abducted and started fighting alongside the rebel group. i got so tortured so much because repeatedly i was raped, and then up to today, when i go back to my community, i'm still being called the market because i was being forced to go and get money and food forcefully for the rebel group. and up to today, as much as i

try to transform my community in a different way, i'm still filled with guilt of what i did more than 20 years ago as a child and as a child soldier. and for the past 26 years, you know, it has been -- it was not only on me, but i am just one problem there, but there are thousands and thousands of people who have their own stories to share about what has happened with the l.r.a. when i left my village after being abducted when i escaped and i rescued my dad, and we walked for 60 miles to look for safety with my father, the l.r.a. retaliated in my village by killing my uncle for taking care of our property. and secondly, in one night in the morning, i lost 21 of my cousins that were killed just

in one night because my parents come from a family of seven people, and each one of them had an average of about five or six children. these are children, my cousins that i grew up with, but i could see them in one night. and as i talk, their graves are still shallowly buried, and i think two months ago when i went, and then i asked my dad, why can't we rebury these people properly? so this pain is still in me, and then i still see the same pain happening in central republic, and that is why i still stand very loud, and i say this war has to come to an end no matter what it takes. when i went to congo last year at the end, i met up with the victims. one was a young girl who's 14 years old who came, and when i

turned to her, and then i said, i thought she speaks french and we don't share any language with the congolese people, but when i turned to her and started speaking to her, and she turned to me answering me. that made me break down, because i exactly saw in her eyes what happened to me when i was growing up, and that became very, very hard on me. when i met up with a group of women who were in a workshop in civil society, and i could see in their eyes i was the only ugandan seated there, and all of them had impressions of, like, why are we being fought by this one guy, joseph kony that she we don't understand? the thing that they raise, our voices cannot be heard. how did you people do it that the world had your voice and now the war is able to get

stopped. and one thing that they all echoed was that they all said that because their voices cannot be heard, they feel that this is a trick of eliminating their ethnic group, which is their tribe, because when you look in central africa republic, sudan and congo, it is only then that the tribe that joseph kony is apparently harassing, and this was very difficult for me, especially hearing from them, and i told them, and i said, you know, there are people out there who can listen. we need to do advocacy and we need to speak loud so that your voices can be heard. i have dedicated my life to work for these young people. seeing those who have come out speaking to them in my own

language, people from central african republic, i want to add the world to stand strong. whatever approach it is going to take, we need to take our approach of making sure that this will come to an end, because if we don't do that, there are people who are suffering every day in the same life. one thing i want to appreciate the effort of the u.s. government is that i today said if we had a radio long time ago, i would not have been abducted, because the information would have come to me early enough, and then i would have had -- if i had a communication that could stop me from going out, i wouldn't have suffered as a girl. and then i ask the community to

push the democratic republic of congo, sudan, and uganda to take ownership so that the population, the local population whose voices are not being heard, the world cannot understand, but the life there is so difficult, especially seeing young kids, who their future has been lost, so that pressure can help eliminating joseph kony. i know time is not so much on my side, but one day i know that this is a story which is very difficult, and why i appreciate the effort of the american government, and yesterday when i had the president speak, i was very, very impressed, because i relate with my own story one day when my son was 12 years old, read a story about my in the african woman magazine and

asked my dad, dad, where were you when mommy was being taken, mommy couldn't protect you, and that has compeled me to do what i do today. there are people that have their own opinions about how this war has to be ended, but all these opinions can be taken together but we have to give a timeline, because the atrocity will not end unless the perpetrators are brought to book. i think briefly this is what i have to share. my story is very big. i cannot share it within a short amount of time, but this is briefly what i have to share with people out there and people in this house. thank you so much. >> thank you also for your written testimony, which goes into great detail about your personal sufferings and experience and your tremendous work of recovery and then of

regional strength and investing your life in making sure that others do not suffer similarly. >> mr. chairman, may i just say before jacob speaks, i'm going to have to leave to go to an energy and water markup, of which i'm one of the ranking members. i'm going to have to leave, but i'm so grateful for jacob for telling his story, and i thank this committee again. i want to mention resolve as well, one of the nonprofits that's been working closely. here here in washington with i see vinible children. >> thank you so much for joining us today. jacob, if you'd like to offer your testimony today. >> thank you so much, mr. chairman. >> this was going through the coming sandow sudan, i want to testify and share my story in the struggle of bringing this war, which has lasted for the last -- for more than two decades to an end.

being someone who was born during the war, i we want through a lot. -- i went through a lot. and some of them are directly to my life and some were indirectly. when i say indirectly, i mean it can touch many of my friends, relatives, and people like here with me and many of the people back at home. i will try to connect to many who have touched their life as well. and directly to me at the age of 12, i was abducted from my village by the lord's resistance army and taken. the way i was abducted was in a way that the rebel came around

midnight, just in the middle of our sleep, and they broke down our door and went to where i was sleeping with my cousin and tied us up. they also woke my parents, who were sleeping the next door up, and they were seeing us being taken. but knowing that the rebels were fighting, they could not do anything that would stop the rebels from taking us away from them. and we walk through the whole night because when they attack one place, they always try to go far away as fast as they can, because they know the next morning they might be following them up. so we walk through the whole night, and we continue walking the next few days. we were in the next district. and that is about 90 miles away from my village. and when we got there, it was surprising that i actually met

with my brother, who was abducted here. and i was shocked to see him again, because i had stayed for a whole year not knowing where he was, like not even expecting to see him again. but when i saw him, i became happy. i was like wow, so i can see my brother again today. a week after staying with him together, my brother had always been thinking of escaping and coming back home. and he tried to escape, and they brought him back where he tried to escape from, and to scare him who have been abducted, they say we have a

right to escape, and you know you try to escape, and when they brought him back, they knew he was my brother, and they tied him, and they killed him in front of us. it was so hard in my sight. and when i saw that happening, i like, i couldn't cry, because they would think that, so i was to pretend and see if i'm liking what they're doing, which was so hard in my sight. but like the next day, we met with a group that came from sudan that brought ammunition,

we called it bullets, but i think the group that abducted us, so the next group that came from sudan came, and their commander wanted someone who was young to carry him. and by then i stayed with this group that abducted me -- that was the second week, and then this guy came, and the commander came and talking with the other commander who abducted me, do you have anyone who can help me? no, the commander has small shares that would help him in the jungle. so me being the youngest among the group, the person who abducted me handed me over to this new guy who came from sudan. he is heading back to sudan, we shall find you when we get there. like i had no option, i had no decision, i had to go with this guy, and for my sake, for me

when i was going, i first saw that, because when i was being abducted, i was abducted alongside 41 kids, they were from the same village with me, so i was compatible with them, like we can't talk and be like, ok, there's nothing we can't do, but now i'm being taken away from this group, going to the next one, whom i don't know, so i was a little scared, but at some point i realized that that was my luck that made me come back home, that made it easy for me to escape, because they met actually briefly, and they had no time with this commander abducted me. so he wanted to know me from me , and you wanted to get to know how long i stayed with the commander who abducted me. then to gain this trust, had to lie to him.

because the mohr time you stay with them, the more freedom they give you, because they think you are loyal to them. so that is when i told you, ok,y been with that commander for three months, and i'm liking how you guys operate and actually i think i'm willing to stay. so nearing that, he gave me freedom of movement that i can do what i want, seeing i've stayed for so long, i know how they operate, but then i should always come early and wake him up wherever he's sleeping and we go wherever we are going. so i did that for two, three days. but every time i take a new move. but all the time, he had trusted me that i stayed with three months, so i could not do anything like escaping.

so we go. he told me, we need to get ready tonight. we're not going to go anywhere. we are going to be in the same position, because we want everyone to prepare their food tomorrow. we need to go back for three days like food and water, because we have to go straight to sudan. i need to wanted, fighting is not the way of solving any problem.

that is going impossible for me to escape, because now the tribe i don't know, the language i speak is different, and it will be so hard for me to escape from the commander who look at me like these are people who are from gulu, and you escape and come to our village, it will be so hard for me. i should try. but also i decided i'd rather die in uganda than go to sued and an die in sudan so that way i kind of gotten couragement by myself and tried to find my way out. to find my way out was really hard.

there are also swelling who are gathering. so at least i knew where to go. i made it out, and it was very far. and it took me all night walking, trying to find out how i can get there, the authorities who can bring me back home. but i'm so happy that when i got there, i had that knowledge of at least i knew how to read. i saw a post, so i end it there and told them my problem and how i got there, and i was

brought back to my village. so when i came back to my village, it was so hard for me to sleep and stay in the same house where i was abducted from. and i fell down wards, like the city center was there, and that is where kids used to go and sleep at night, because their abduction was mainly done during nighttime. so to avoid being exposed at night, people would go and sleep in the city center. so did i that for about a year. and during the process, that is

when i met the filmmakers, because the city center was flooded by kids, all these kids who fear for the abduction. they are children sleeping outside, and it's raining. they need to find a way and keep sleeping outside. i kind of felt like maybe they want no more about why we sleep here. it's every night from different countries. i could never imagine myself being where i am right now, but i just wanted them to know why

we are sleeping outside. and the fact that they had it, it wasn't a big deal to me, because this is like a brother to many in africa, because we're always going there, so it wasn't a big deal. i think they felt that. it is a question, because like we have 80% of them in uganda look at white people as being money. it was very challenging, because maybe they should give me it. and i realize that it was not

good for me to get money, because you can give me thousand dollars, but remember, it will be spending it, spending it and am not getting more. so the only way i realize that these people can help me was to put me in school, and that is what i ask for them. i said put me in school since i want to be a lawyer and try to work towards it. so they started paying my school fees. when i met them, that is when i came to meet them where we used to sleep, and she ode up a scholarship program and me being one of them. i change my life, and i feel like there's still so many, only the same thing that i went through. being put in school after coming back, and they had no money to pay their kids in school. so all these to go to school, and i feel like an idle mind is always the place for the devil,

because i feel like kony went to the bush as a frustrated youth, and if we stay at home, they are likely, that's where they might go somewhere. the fact that the war is still terrorizing people around the world, i'm calling upon the world to come up and join the youth who are advocating for the end of this war. i also know that you leaders are our preventive, and if there is something that we want , we go through you people. and if we send our voice out, then you should tear about what we are demanding for. the second thing i want to say, i want to thank all the people, all the different organizations that are working alongside with

me to bring this war to ar end. i cannot mention them now. but also thank you for sharing our story and tell the world that is going on. thank you very much and welcome any questions, but this story is just something -- the war has been going on for the last 26 years. i cannot summarize them in 10 minutes or five. >> thank you so much, jacob. thank you, jacob and jolly, for your testimony, which both in writing and in speaking, is powerful. one of the my objectives was to include more regular until our hearings african voices to help as we discuss and strengthen the understanding and appreciation in the united states, want just in the senate, but amongst all who watch the committee hearings, that many of these challenges have african solutions and that the folks who are leading and

doing the work and in the forefront of responding to the atrocities of the l.r.a. are african and are our allies whom we need to support. as was mentioned by senator landrieu and also by you, miss okot, i was pleased that president obama emphasized the ongoing commitment and support and ranked the lord as resistance army among the great morally challenging atrocities of the last 50 years, and emphasized his commitment to continuing. you have both spoken about the importance of being able to defect and escape. the previous panel spoke about how important that is, both so that we have intelligence about what is going on within the l.r.a., but also so that we can help those who have been abducted recover. i'd be interested in hearing from each of you, if you could, how can we encourage

defecttors? how can we help encourage and support escapees who are currently in the hold of the l.r.a.? what more could we be doing? second, what more should we be doing to help with recovery and development efforts in which you've been very active? >> i want to thank you so much for that question. the first thing that i think we need to encourage, which i think worked very well in northern uganda, is the effort to support the information flow , building up more f.m. radio stations and sending a message of peace. one thing that we always encourage someone who's formerly abducted is when they have hope that when they get back this second chance in life

. one, they have to be gin the opportunity to go back and and then another opportunity is these people need rehabilitation, because from my personal experience, it took me 10 years to completely gets over it, but up to now, i'm not over it. when i go back to my home, even the sight of a tree that i saw 20 years ago is a reminder of what happened in my life. but the fact that i got through education and i got rehabilitated and i have a skill and i am able to get a job, this is one way that has moved me forward very positively. and also, one thing that i feel we need your support in, how to integrate these people in the community.

there are many more formerly abducted returned home. a girl came back with a kid who was very young, and this kid is now being called bush children, because these are kids that were not wanted. how do we as community, as n.g.o.'s of government come up with an approach that will help these people get an opportunity in life? as someone who has taken leadership in the program on the ground, we are trying, but that is not enough. there are roads, especially in central african republic, and democrat republic of congo.

they need the best they can have in mile an hour life. i feel your voice as american government to the president of the area affected by the l.r.a., who take full ownership . the war is no longer there. i watch our president say we push them away, but what about in the congo where it is still very fresh. what about in central republic? is that enough for the president to say we have pushed the l.r.a. away, and yet it's another group still being affected.

i think on them collaborating together and bringing their forces together to apprehend joseph kony is the best way forward that i would request you people be strong on, a diplomatic approach. because when i spoke to the civil society, they think their voices are not being heard, and there are people who are saying, no, the l.r.a. is not a big threat. but every day there are people who are sleeping out in the rain, and you can tell the fear that children that have no future, and they've not been able to go to school and how do we give them a opportunity? the displacement is so huge. how do we get humanitarian intervention into central africa republic? so those are the few questions that i would answer.

>> thank you. if i might interrupt for one moment, senator isaacson has been called to the floor, and he'd like to give a brief closing comment. he has to depart. i'm going stay and we'll continue the conversation. >> first of all, jolly,thank you for meeting me when i was in uganda. i enjoyed our meeting. jacob, your testimony is compelling. as i listen to both of you, i was reflected on last thursday in the rotunda, the capital, where we had the holocaust remembrance, and honored a swede -- i'm part swedish -- a man who saved tens of thousands of hungarian jews in world war ii from auschwitz. i thought about how, history is littered with individuals who speak out, who take risk, who work to right wrongs, and both of you are just in that courageous category. i want to thank you for your willingness to make this issue visible, because as the chairman knows, out of sight is out of mind, and africa is a long way away from the american media. it's a long way away from our country and some of the tragedies that have gone on,

you're helping bring visible to those issues, and that will help shine the light of day on joseph kony. you both are heroes as far as i'm concerned. i appreciate your willingness to do that. i have a tough question to ask you, jolly, but i want to ask one before i go back. you talk about -- i know the sudan is in deep trouble in the south and the north, and there's a possibility of further deterioration there. but i also know in darfur, some of those organizations use rape against women as a military tactic. is that what joseph kony does? >> yes, he has more than 50 wives around him, and the wives is what he uses as a protection, as a shield, so

these are young girls that have been ripped, and this is young girls who have been ripped and many of them have returned with children. so he's continually himself as the leader, having 50 wives, and what about the other commanders who have many more wives? so he's still raping and abducting children. >> the reason i asked is one of the good things that is being done in uganda that i have personally seen, but also in darfur is to empower women and to help recognize the abuse that's taken place in many places in africa, like what joseph kony is doing. when we were there in kampala, we had the speaker of the house or parliament as a woman. and women are becoming empowered in that country and rising to power out of respect and equality for them, which is an important thing in a nation had a has been the victim of

people like joseph kony. jacob, i have to leave to make a speech on the floor, but you're my hero. thank you for being willing to tell the story. i don't blame if you want to sit next to a pretty lady like jolly. i'd be there too. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you, senator. as always, you're a terrific partner, and i'm grateful for our opportunity to work together on this. if i could, just by way of conclusion, since we need to bring this hearing to a conclusion, but jacob, if you've gotten any input for us on whether you think joseph kony and the l.r.a. commanders should be brought to justice in uganda or in the hague, if you've got any advice auto what measures are most helpful as we try to help those who have escaped or defected to rebuild their lives, and i'd be interested to hear how it has turned out to you, your study of law, and i think many are also hopeful to hear about the

progress that you've made in your own life, not just in recovering, but in becoming educated and strengthened and skilled to be able to use your experience to fight for justice. >> thank you very much again. what can be done and encourage this report to come back home, and being someone who was abducted i did try to bring it, but because i was staying in there, by the time they abducted me, there were people who were returning from the bush, from the captivity of the tribe, so we are trying to tell me that we bring you here, and when you go back home, the government actually will kill you. there's nothing like welcoming you people back home. and what it does most to this kid, it tries to deny them access to them.

they have radio stations, i think that can let them know the truth that is outside there. that is happening when you come back home. so there's fighting not because they want to stay with the l.r.a., but because they feel like now that you have brought them here, the government look at that as being rebels, and when i try to go back home, they will just kill me straight away. so they've been able to keep a lot of kid around him. and if there is any way that this kid can be reached and people telling them i escape when i was with you, and now i'm still living a positive life, i have changed my life, involved in doing this. when you come back home, nothing actually happen to you if you encourage them to come back home. and then the sect thing that i want to bring forward is that

he has been able to keep them, because this war has been going on for so long, so they are these kids who were born and raised in the bush, and they have parents in the bush, thereby making it very hard for them to feel they can come back home. they are totally uncomfortable. they are 18, and their mothers and father are there, so all they know is fighting. so all these kids -- if there is a way that can be reached and deter them, a second type of life which is coming back home, sitting down, thinking in a good way, that would be a way of encouraging them to come back home. and on like my education site, i'm so proud, because they made me who i am. when i came back, it was so hard to put me back in school because school was expensive. and i took the responsibility of my parents and made sure

that me along with thousands of kids go to school. but it's like -- i am still advocating for direct, because invisible children has been operating for less than 10 years, and this war has been going on for the last 26 years, so it's affected thousands of kids, and now it is going to affect me, and that is why i feel like we should not leave invisible children and we should not leave it to resolve all these organizations. we should come because a team and make sure we rebuild and heal the war. so that is what i feel like, me who has been helped out, i should do something to pay it forward. i will only stop paying forward when the war ends. i would love to stop paying for war, because then the war will end and i would to do my

things. i will not have to depend on any other person. i'm willing to be a human right lawyer, because i feel like we should have the same value of human right, like people are always the same, no matter what color you are, we all have the same blood, and we are all born with the same right. so same right that the people have in the u.s., in china, in sudan, in congo, has to be promoted by those who are in authorities. and no matter where you come from, if there's a problem somewhere, you are affected in one idea. so i find that -- i feel like if i am a human rights lawyer, i can reach out so many people, not only in my community, not only in uganda, but in the whole world. a last question. jacob and jolly, what difference do you think it would make to those who have been direct al fect, to those

in the countries of the region, and then to the world, what difference would it make for joseph kony and his top lieutenants who have been indicted by the i.c.c.? what difference would it make for them to be captured, removed from the battlefield, and tried? how would it affect change? i think it will make a very big difference, because right now, like i can feel like, personally i feel like uganda is a little safe, and i kind of want to forget about the path that i went through, but it's very hard. it's not only me, but i'm speaking on behalf of the victims of uganda. we are trying to forget what we went through. but it becomes so hard when you wake up in the morning and you hear that people are still being abducted in congo t. takes my mind back to where i was abducted. and if someone's brother is

being killed in congo, it takes my mind back to where i saw my brother being slaughtered. this is not only to me to all those victims, so when this group is brought to justice, i think finally and slowly people will forget, because they will not hear it again in any way. so it will bring a very big difference. and there are those who are still living in very big fear. it will encourage them when the war ends, and the fear that they used to live in will actually go away. they were down to the version of life of knowing that, oh, i can still be someone, and personally, i had no hope in my life, to the extent that i almost chose death instead of living in the world. so now that i have received the second type of life that i can actually help, i can actually do something, like right now i

know that all this kid who are with the rebels and all these people who are living in fear, if given a chance, they can still do something better. they can still achieve their dream. because it's hard, because themselves, they don't know that. they don't know that they can still have different -- like if they are given a chance, they have very positive, which is great for human beings. they don't know about it, and that is what i didn't know. until i was introduced to school and now i know. the only challenge is how are we going to let them know. it's by stopping this war and bringing them that, you know, look here, you can still do this. you go to school, and you will not have to fight to get money. you will have to go and grab people's money. you will have to work hard to get what you want. other than taking a gun and forcing someone to give you. but if you work hard, enjoy it and no one asks for it, like the money that they pay me right now in my place where i'm

working, i can actually spend it the way i want, like jolly would not come and say, jacob, we gave enthuse money to go and pay in school, where is the receipt? but i can wake up and say, oh, this is a drink. so that is what i want. i want people to be dependent. i don't want children to think that they will have to take a gun to get money. they will have to take a gun to get food. i want them to work towards it. thank you very much. >> thank you, jacob. it is great to be reminded part of what our president was speaking about yesterday was the importance first of ending the conflict, second of bringing the leadership to account, but then third, of remembering, even today it is important for us to remember the show of the holocaust, one of the worst atrocities in known human history. but in this particular case, in

central africa with the lord's resistance army, as we said at the outset, there are still attacks going on today, there are still communities that are not safe today, there are still children who were abducted who have now grown up in the bush and know no other life. our first order of business must be to end the conflict by bringing him to justice. jolly, you have the last word today. how do you think it will make a difference for the world? you yourself shared with me you knew joseph kony as a child, you grew up in the same village. i'm sure it was hard to imagine he would turn into this monster he's become. and so, on some level, ending his violence and his actions would help close a chapter, and then hopefully bring some justice and then some peace and serve as an example to the rest of the world of the possibility of restoring justice. how do you see it? what difference would it make if he were actually captured and brought to justice? >> thank you so much.

i think bringing kony to justice will show the world that impunity is not a way forward to let human souls suffer, and i think bringing him to justice will i think in the long run stop people around the world who are so brutal, and people who think playing around with the life of a fellow human being is the way forward to gain authority and threatening the other people, but also i think letting the world know that justice, when people come together, can be brought to anyone. so i think this will also solve many african leaders who have turned their backs to the local population, and they will know that the world will be watching them. so i feel like bringing kony to justice is one way forward of stopping any atrocity in the

future that will happen in the world. and to me,i feel this is key, because i think as much as joseph kony is still out there at large, i feel that it is very important to bring him to book and let him answer for the crimes he has committed, but also i think it's a responsibility as well to other leaders to realize that it is very, very important when people are in leadership to also protect the lives of the people they lead. i think the coming together of everyone around the world and focusing on this one man and bringing him out will also in the future cause fear to other people who might think they should stand up. so i think that is the most key important element. also i think bringing kony to

justify is a way of promoting democracy in africa, because i think that is one area where we have all these wars bringing up, because of lack of transparency in the government's system as well, bring people to start fighting amongst themselves. and besides why he's not fighting his own country, why does he have to take suffering to a country that has no idea why he's fighting. >> thank you both very much. thank you, jolly. thank you, jacob, for sharing your stories with us today, for your personal journey of recovery from being abducted by the l.r.a., to turning your personal experiences to positive contributions, not just uganda, but to the whole world. we are grateful to invisible children, to resolve to enough for their very hard work in partnership with you in

advocacy. i'm going to hold the record of this hearing open until friday, april 27, for any member of the committee who was unable to join us, but wants to submit, and without objection, i'm also going to enter into the record a written statement from the enough project that they wanted me to be part of the hearing today. thank you so much for your witness, your testimony, and your vision. with that, this meeting is adjourned. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] >> next, "q&a" with author

blaine harden talking about his book "escape from camp 14." live at 7:00 a.m., your calls and comments on "washington journal." today, a discussion of u.s. policy in the middle east at the anti-defamation league's national leadership conference. speakers include steven simon, the national security council's middle east and north africa senior directory. our live coverage begins at 8:30 a.m. eastern on c-span. -- on c-span2. >> here we go. welcome aboard, everybody. beautiful downtown oklahoma city. my name is captain rick. give me a big old howdy, captain rick. >> next weekend, we explore the history and literary culture of oklahoma city, including the works of galileo at the history of science collection at oklahoma university. >> most important part of the book is on motion. when this book was published in 1632, the pope was angry that

galileo had broken his promise to treat it hypothetically. galileo's enemies joined together, and the result was his trial. and this also is a copy that contains his own handwriting. so this is like being able to look over his shoulder in the months leading up to his trial. >> all next weekend, the local content vehicles in oklahoma city on book tv and on american history tv on c-span3. >> four years ago, i was a washington outsider. four years later, i'm at this dinner. four years ago, i looked like this. today i look like this. and four years from now, i will look like this.

that's not even funny. >> mr. president, you remember when the country rallied around you in hopes of a better tomorrow? that was hilarious. that was your best one yet. but honestly, it's a thrill for me to be here with the president, a man who i think done his best to guide us through very difficult times and paid a heavy price for it. you know, there's a term for guys like president obama, probably not two terms, but -- >> miss my part of the white house correspondents dinner? watch any time online at the c-span video library, behind the scenes, the red carpet, and all the interat the same time, at c-span.org/videolibrary.

>> this week on "q & a," blaine harden discusses "escape from camp 14." >> blaine harden, your book is called "escape from camp 14." your first sentence is, "his first memory is an execution." >> the story is about a kid named shin dong-hyuk, who was born in camp 14. one of the political labor camps. his first memory was going with his mom to a place near where he grew up in the camp to watch somebody get shot. shooting public executions were shooting public executions were held every few weeks to punish