members. i think the republican party is going to have to have a strong internal debate over what they are going to do. whether they take a majority in the senate, in order to get anything done, raising the debt ceiling again or there is a lot of serious stuff and republicans are going to have to do it. it will come full ahead with mitch mccall's interest and it will be fascinating to see how that plays out. >> talking about domestic production increasing, all of these examples for fossil fuels. where discussion about support for alternative fuels as we look toward our energy future?

>> i think we are alternative fuel supporters, but it will be a matter of defending the ground they have already taken during the first couple of years of the obama administration. the budget has nearly tripled with all the new spending. it is embarking upon that campaign trail to defend all that investment. at worst, you see fossil fuels gaining ground, whether or not the president supports it. >> thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> these men go through things and no one understands except each other . >> the relationship between harry truman and hubert -- herbert hoover, who were such political different man and who ended up forming misalliance

that neither of them would have anticipated and it ended up being enormously productive. the letters between them later in their lives about how important they had become to one another are really extraordinary. >> it may be the most exclusive club in the world. the private and public relationships of the american president, from truman and huber to george h.w. bush and bill clinton, tonight at 8:00 on "q&a". >> we have a real demand for spectrum but we would be foolish if all we did was rely on things like incentive options and the auctioning of spectrum. >> is important to have neutrality to ensure that everyone is competing on a level playing field. >> learn more about the newest commissioners with the washington post technology reporter. monday night on the

communicators at 8 eastern on c- span2 pickax on tuesday, senator richard lugar are lost his bid for reelection in the state republican primary. he was first elected to the senate in 1976. he is currently the ranking republican on the foreign relations committee. here are his remarks to supporters tuesday evening. [applause] >> thank you so very much. let me make this comment this evening. republican primary voters have chosen their candidate for the united states senate.

i congratulate richard mourdock on his victory. i want to see a republican in the white house. i want to see my friend ms. mcconnell have a republican majority in the senate -- mitch mcconnell had a republican majority in the senate. i hope that richard mourdock prevails in the november. i am deeply grateful for the remarkable efforts of thousands of volunteers who devoted countless hours to my campaign. the enthusiasm of good friends and loyal supporters over many months was encouraging. i think my campaign team, who made enormous personal sacrifices and never stopped working hard or seeking a path to victory. most of all, i want to thank my loving wife.

[applause] i want to thank are four remarkable sons and the entire lugar family for their understanding, support, and love. my family has been indispensable to every aspect of my public service from the indianapolis school board on word. my public service is not

concluded. i look forward to what can be achieved in the the senate in the next eight months despite a very difficult national election atmosphere. first among my goals will be passing a good farm bill could save taxpayers billions and gives farmers the best chance to prosper. [applause] i will also use this period to advance of the work of the -- initiative that benefits the united states national security. at the end of my term, i will look forward to new opportunities to serve indiana had to serve our nation. i will embrace projects where i can deliver the most benefits. i will continue to support the

program in any way that i can. i also want to build on my work related to nutrition and energy issues, both locally and globally. i've no regrets about running for reelection. all of us should believe in the inability of standing before the public and asking -- of the nobility of standing before the public and asking for their votes. i still counsel young citizens to consider elective public office and i hope some listening to me tonight will do just that. serving the people of indiana in the united states and it has been the greatest honor of my public life. hoosier's deserve the best representation possible. they deserve legislators who will listen to their entire spectrum of citizen views and work to achieve consensus.

they deserve legislators to go to work speaking about how they can solve problems that matter to the futures. -- hoosiers. i am proud of the initiatives we have undertaken to protect our country. we are experiencing political divisions in our society right now. these divisions have still made progress in critical areas. these divisions are not insurmountable. i believe that people of goodwill, regardless of party, can work together for the benefit of our country. [applause]

furthermore, i remain optimistic about the future of the indiana and the united states of america. the news media and political leaders spend a great deal of time talking about what is broken in our country. to some degree, that is the nature of their business. but we should also have confidence that the unique american experiment is alive and well and our political system still can work. we possess the resources and human talent and energy to sustain our status as the economic envy of the world. our culture is a global reference point for progress among modern societies. people from all over the world what to come here to study, to

live, and to invest. we still enjoyed unprecedented freedoms that billions of people can only dream about. the task before us is to come together as americans and sustain the american dream at home while protecting their security advancing our leadership abroad. i cherished the confidence that each of you have placed in me and i urge you to join me in a determination to continue to serve our country and our state. god bless each one of you and god bless america. [applause]

>> the winner was state treasurer richard mourdock. this is 20 minutes. >> mourdock!

[cheers and applause] [applause]

[chanting "mourdock!"] >> i have a feeling that you guys are looking to party tonight. [applause] you know, you get ready for a moment like this and over the last few weeks, i've been trying to anticipate what this would be. i had a tremendous sense of momentum. i have to say, every time i would start to have that

feeling, i would remind myself, this has not been about me. this has been about all of you. [applause] now i get to a totally ad lib. in the excitement of the moment, i left my speech back in my apartment. but that is ok. i've worked a couple of days trying to put together what my thoughts would be. i want to start with something very important. it was formed 42 days ago that about 200 -- it was 442 days ago that about 200 of us gathered at the arts a garden and we launched this campaign.

at the time, we did something that i know shocked a lot of you. it stunned the news media. that is not why we did what we did. we did something that i put before all of you who were there to do as a promise to yourself. i wanted to do it as a vow to myself. what we did that day we would do again may 8, 2012. what we did then, we're going to do right now. i am going to ask all of you to join me in recognition of the truly great public servant, a

great hoosier, a great american, someone who has given his life to public service. he is a man who deserves the respect of each and every one of us. would you please join me in a tremendous round of applause for senator dick lugar? [applause] when i began this campaign, the senator was not my enemy. he is not now my enemy, he will

never be my enemy. he was simply over the last 15 months, my opponent. as i have told so many people, especially when i've had the chance to talk to young people, this race is not about animosity. it is about ideas. it is about the direction of the republican party. it is about the direction of our country. [applause] i have been asked a lot today by the news media, what symbol does this victory send to those around the state and across the nation? i think there are two messages that can be found today.

number one, hoosier republicans want to see the republicans in the senate taking a more conservative track. [applause] number two, to those people who are conservatives who for the first time in their lives in the last two or three years decided to step out of their comfort zone and start working, some under the umbrella of the tea party, and other conservative groups, those people are wondering if they can do the impossible. my friends, tonight, you have done it. [applause]

yes, we did. that is correct. i need to say -- the national media wants to the context of the speech. of course, i will do exactly the opposite. this group of people behind me are absolutely amazing. we began this campaign with my friend jim as the campaign manager, chris connor came on to do our media, and diane began to organize all of this grass- roots effort. [applause] the first thing we did was put together a group of five field directors around the state of indiana. you divide 92 counties five ways and each of those people

has a lot of area to cover. they covered it tirelessly. somewhere behind me, laura miller, cindy, christine, cheryl johnson. thank you. [applause] and though i should not do this, because there have been so many volunteers, the real hard- core staff over the many months -- i saw her somewhere. where did ashley go? she is our finance director. jennifer has been absolutely vital to us as well. we have haley, j.t., ethan, cody, matt.

these folks got us here tonight. give them a round of applause. [applause] and of course, the most important person of all. [laughter] [applause] [applause]

marilyn was raised less than a mile from where we are right now. if anyone would have told her she would be standing here next to a candidate for the united states senate, she would have never believed it. [laughter] the truth is, this is hard stuff. i did have hundreds of people over the last 15 months come up to me and say, the words that i appreciate more than "i will vote for you." i will pray for you. [applause] almost without exception because you've heard me fire those words right back to me, please include marilyn.

thank you to all of you who have been doing that. [applause] tonight, it is time. it is not just a slogan, i do not want to be just a slogan. it is time. we began this campaign with the idea that yes, we wanted to move the senate to a more conservative place. much more than that, we want to move this country to a better place. i began this race knowing the odds would be long, knowing it would be difficult, and i understood that a lot of the pundits wanted to deem the this race mission impossible. but it became the inevitable

conclusion. so many of you came forward to, not to pick up the values that i have. we share those same values. [applause] we share something more important than a value. we share a dream. ronald reagan said, we have every right to dream great dreams because we are americans. and yet it is all too true that today, across the state, and across this country, there are more and more people who do not think the dream as possible. this candidacy began with the idea that it could play a small part to in helping the united states senate turned direction to lead this country back to the fulfillment of the greatest

dreams of our founders. i cannot give a speech without quoting abraham lincoln. obviously, you know that well. [laughter] he once said this was the one nation on the face of the earth that had as its primary purpose the elevating of all men, the lifting of the artificial weights from the shoulders of all so that all could stand in equal an unfettered chance in the race of life. he said that america was unique because it was at one place where people have the right to rise. for three years, he basically grew up in a lean-to individually became president of the united states. young people wonder if there is a way to rise. they have a sense of expectations that is not built on what they can do, what they

can contribute, but they can offer. they think they have to be helped by others as opposed to having that a fundamental american values of self- reliance. we need, my friends, to get this country back on a course where all can rise and all sense the excitement of the dream that is america. they can rise to any level. [applause] today, we see the obama white house and we see a senate chaired by harry reid that does everything it can, perhaps not intentionally, to turn our dreams, our great national hope

into a nightmare. of the ever-growing government, to make us that western european style nation. by the way, did you noticed that yesterday, france elected a socialist? there are those, i am sure, in the administration that were cheering that. we are not going to stand for that in indiana. [applause] as we gather tonight, some are across this town, the democrats are gathered around mr. donnelly. they're excited that the potential that he is going to bring to this race. he has been close to barack obama for the last several years. it will not be accepted by the

voters of indiana. [applause] let me tell you what we have in washington, d.c., today. we have a nation that is on the brink of bankruptcy. we have the nation that thinks nothing but gloom and doom ahead. they think it can never be turned around. i am here to tell you that it can. why do i think that? i saw another turnaround, it started in the year 2004. indiana was virtually a bankrupt state. gov. daniels came in and turned into the best fiscally manage

state in the united states of america. [applause] i have been so incredibly proud of rebelos to 15 months to have hoosiers tell me how proud they are to be hoosiers. the kind of leadership mitch daniels has taken to the indiana state house, instead of having the barack obama demagoguery, we need mitch daniels and the accomplishments. [applause]

we need to see the kind of management that we have had in the indiana state house applied to the united states capital and that is what i intend to take their. -- there. [applause] the race ahead is going to be hard. it is going to be challenging. i am delighted to tell you the first call i received tonight was from -- to tell me they were going to put the resources and there to make sure -- [cheers and applause]

i want to close with this. i hope you understand how much all of your involvement over the last number of months has meant to me. i will tell you that a fellow who got a degree in geology find it hard to believe, too. my business career, those 31 years, prepared me for many things. i never imagined it would be for this. but i found out that it did prepare me. my time and serving with america's greatest governor has prepared me as well. i came under the national spotlight a couple of years ago and i've been fully vetted and tested by the media.

i look forward to working with them. not many candidate say that, but i do. i look forward to working with them because they have a difficult job. that is what i am here to ask you for your help to do again what you have done so relentlessly over the last 15 months. if you can convince your neighbors of the rightness of the conservative message, if you can let them know that smaller government means greater freedom, if you can convince them that i will fight so that they can keep more of their tax money in their pockets, if you can convince them that smaller government, rolling it back would be a wonderful thing on the national level. [applause]

if you will share with them -- you know we will make the message that this state is going to get back in the right direction. we will elect a republican senator and a republican president and we will do that with your help. [applause] >> [chanting "mourdock!"] >> thank you. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012]

>> thank you all. >> on wednesday, democratic senator john kerry of massachusetts and majority whip dick durbin of illinois took to the senate floor to offer some remarks about the defeat of senator lugar in indiana primary race. this is about 20 minutes. >> i want to share a few thoughts this morning, not about the results of the election last night in indiana, but i do want to talk about the consequences or the united states senate of the loss of senator lugar or as

of next year, and particularly for the foreign relations committee. dick lugar's loss last night is going to be particularly felt by all of us who've had the privilege of working with him on the senate foreign relations committee, and that's whether he was the chairman of the committee -- and i've served under him when he was chairman -- orhether he's been a member of the committee and the ranking member, as he is now, and as i've privileged to serve with him. whether you agreed with him or not, whether he had theavelr whether he didn't have the gavel dick lugar had an approach to the senate and to governing that was always the same. he was serious, he was thoughtful, and he refused to allow this march to an orthodoxy about ideology and partisan politics to get in the way of what he thought was t responsibility of a senator and indeed, the need of the country

to have people come together and find the common ground. he dug deeply into some of foreign policy's most vexing issues, and his expertise on complicated issues that were honed over 36 years really can't be replicated. that's something we're going to lose. the institutional experience, the judgment and the wisdom of the approach on some of those issues, the constitutional questions that he would call into account wn no one else would, the questions of not being stampeded by popular opinion with respect to the use of force in one instance or another. all of those are essentialo making this institution live up to its full capacity. already, since last night's news, we have been hearing again and again on some of the news shows and elsewhere about the senator from indiana's work on nuclear nonproliferation. and it's no secret that his

nunn-lugar efforts have become almost shorehand for partisanship in foreign policy. and they should be recognized. but i want to emphasize here now, that's not all that senator lugar contributed to the -- to this field of foreign policy. he's a league expert on some of the urgent issue as that are -- leading expert on some of the issue as that are off the beaten past. from food security, the eradication of hunger worldwide, his work with joe biden, and then his works i'm privileged to say, with me to try to change the relationship with pakistan. and to help prevent their economy from unraveling, to help to encourage them to cooperate with interests that were vital to america and, indeed, to the stability of that region. to establish what he called a deeper, broader long-term strategic engagement in pakistan. uma privileged to say, p -- i'm privileged to say, mr. president, for me, the

personal journey with dick lugar began before that, and i think it epitomizes sort of who he is and why he'll be missed here. it h nothing to do with ideology. back in 1980, shortly after i came here -- i was elected in 1984 and i started on the foreign relations committee in 1985 -- right away we began to work together on the issue of the philippines, of free and fair elections in the philippines. and i had traveled over there a number of times as a freshman senator. i had met with ferdinand marcos. i was concerned about the torture taking place and the political prisoners and other violations of rights, and yet we were sort of aiding them notwithstanding our values and our standards. well, dick lugar joined with me in that effort, didn't have any reason to join with a, you know, freshly minted senator, wet

behind the ears. but he did. and together we sort of became a team that started to focus on the philippines and figure out how do we hold marcos accountable? and he was serious and he was fair-minded and i saw firsthand during our trip to the philippines, which we made at the time of the election, after we had done a whole lot of groundwork to set up an accountability system for that election, that he had a very personal and special understanding of what the united states meant to the rest of the world with respect to our values. and that cause animated this man, who we all know is dignified and reserved and humble, but who proudly came back and recounted with some animation to president reagan the ditches tha difference thatd states of america makes when it gives voice to people's aspirations for freedom, and in

this case particularly, the people of the philippines. the fact is that it was that discussion with ronald reagan and the results that came out of the accountability in that election that forced ferdinand marcos to leave, saw corey aquino come to power and the philippines come back to general democracy. last year we worked together on the new start treaty -- that was two years ago, i guess, now. his wisdom and patience was invaluable in laying out the case, particularly in building support across the aisle so that we could find the path to 71 votes. and i said then, and i say it again today, given the bitter, divisive, partisan, continual litical squabbling that seems to dominate the life in the city

today, 71 votes is probably the equivalent of the 98 votes we used to get on those kinds ofests. and so i --- --on those kind of efforts. and so i am grateful to his work on that. he gave members more time to work through problems, solve individual objections and it reminded me of the way you actually work in what is now sometimes, unfortunately, sarcastically referred to as the world's greatest deliberative body. he deliberated. and he helped us to deliberate. i thought it was one of the finer and prouder moments of the senate in recent years. mr. president, i am confident that dick lugar's record on our committee is going to be one of those that'semembered for a long time. sadly, last night it is remembered in the context of senator fulbright who also came

to lose a primary in the end and paid a high price for his concern about global affairs and his involvement with those issues. but i think that he's also remembered significantly today for his -- for the enormous legacy that he built about american foreign policy and how you make our country stronger. dick lugar does that, and i think he's made it clear. there'so towbt in the mind of anybody -- there's no doubt in the mientdz of anybody on our side of the aisle that dick lugar is a conservative. and his votes through the years have shown that. he is a proud republican. but i think probably because he served as a mor before he came here, he applied what we call the laguardia rule to foreign policy, which is the rule that laguardia applied to doing things in new york. it didn't matter, you know, whether you were a republican or

democrat as long as the streets got clean, the potholes got filled and they didn't have any labels on them. and that's pretty much the way the foreign policy out to be. we used to say, politics ends at the water's edge. only in the last years here in the senate have i seen a complete diversion from that, where unfortunately, as has been true onoth sides, that politics has entered into the choices people have made with respect to major issues of conflict, potential war and peace, and interests of the security of our country. so about four years ago this time, dick lugar received the paul douglas award just off the senate floor over in the mansfield room. and he summed up his approach to the senate. and i think after last night, it's important for all of our colleagues to be mindful of his words and to think about them as we go forward into these next

six, seven, eight months. dick argued that bipartisanship isn't an end in itself, and it's sometimes mistaken for centrism, compromise, when tsk i in fact s really the way of what he called being a constructive public servant, it is the way they approach their job, with self-reflection, discipline and gauge ifaith inhe good will of others. particularly destructive is the misconception in some quarters that gerning with one vote more than 50% is jus as good or better than government with 60% or 70% support. the problem wit this thinking, he said, is that whatever is won today through division is usually lost tomorw. the relationships are destroy and the ill wilthat is created

to make subsequent achievements that much more difficult. a 51% mentality deepens sinnism -- cynicism and depletes the good will critical to our survival in hard times that's actually about as fundamentally, philosophically as conservative, i think, as you could ask for. i think every one of us who has seen the difficulty of the last few years of our politics here who have been frustrated by the sheer inability of the institution to work would agree that there's nothi liberal or sceivive or moderate -- or conservative or moderate about what dick said. it's just common sense about how human nature works, about how people work. mr. president, it seems to me that we would do well to get back in touch -- i often hear people talk about how we needo change the rules here in order to get something done. actually, we don't. these are the same rules that we

operated with when everett dirksen was here, when bob dole was leader, george mitchell was leader. in the 1990's we balanced the budget of our nation four years in a row without a constitutional amendment. it didn't take a piece of paper to tell us to do it or new words written in the constitution. it took the common sense and courage of people on the floor of the senate to do what was right. we don't have to change the rules. we have to change the thinking. or change the people who don't want to do it. everyreat moment of this institution when people look back in history with pride a point to the missouri compromise or point to henry clay or daniel webster, all these great senators, or ted knedy more recently and others on the other side of the aisle, when they do that, they're talking about people who operated by the same rules but found a common ground because they had the

intelligence and willpower to put the country and its interests ahead of fg else. that's what dick lugar's loss last night means us to. i don't know who will replace him. we don't know -- we certainly know the cross-currents of some of the campaign and we certainly know what senator lugar chose to say last night about his opponent's quest for more partisanship, not less. so the alarm bells have been sounded, i think. my prayer is that this election this year is tb going to help pe this country of this incredible waste of opportunity that we are living through here. now, this congress isn't over, and for those of us who were here and remember 1996,t bears repeating that even in presidential years, a congress can actually defy conventional wisdom and get things done.

that's why i know that dick lugar is going to finish out his sixth term in t senate with the same determination and effectiveness that has marked every yea of his service here, and he's going to have a lot more contributions to this institution that he reveres and that respects him so enormousl. thank you, mr. president. mr. durbin: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from illinois. mr. durbin: first i want to thank senator kerry, chairman of the senate foreign relations committee for coming to the senate floor and speaking about our mutual friend, colleague nor dick lugar, who serves as the ranking republican on that senate fr foreign relations committee. i am a new come her to that committee but i am not a newcomer to my knowledge of dick lugar. 16 years ago he was well-known throughout the mid-west for his service as mayor of indianapolis where he combined and made more efficient local units of

government and i think the rebirth of indianapolis is attributed to those early steps by dick lugar. loretta, my wife and i, came to snow dick and his wife through an institute. i think we need to encourage where members come together to discuss foreign policy issues. dick lugar was there and always a major contributor when it came to issues of importance. before i arrived in the 123459 when you were still here, senator kerry, he teamed up with senator sam nunn to deal with an issue that related literally to the peace and security of the world. what would happen as the soviet union crumbled to all of those nuclear weapons? would they fall into the wrong hands, would they fuel into disrepair? and what could we do about it? sam nunn and dick lugar stepped up and said we're going 0 work together on a bipartisan basis

to deal with that. time appeared time again throughout hisareer, dick lugar has really focused on issues of strategic importance to the united states. and i can't agree with senator kerry more, he looked for a bipartisan approach to so many things. we always knew that you weren't going to push over anything ha n it came to dick lugar. he would always listen and he was always, always a gentleman. always. what a disappointment last night. once you've been in this chamber for a few year, you reflex on the lions of the senate who have come and gone, some because of the decision in the electorate, some because of the passage of time and then fateful decisions. we think back on some of these great people, john chafee -- john chafee and dick lugar we soul mates in terms of their view on the republican side of the aisle about how you work across the aisle to get things

dong. our mutual friend and your close personal friend, senator kennedy. senator kennedy's sucss has always reached across the aisle. and sometimes to the frustration of those on the democratic side who said, we've got enough votes, ted. we don't have do this. he would reach across. bob byrd who used to sit right next to where senator kerry is sitting now, you twhai will the senate be like without these great lions? it will go on. will we have learned from their example? will we take their life and career and build on it to make this a betr snrais o or are we going to succumb to making this place more partisan, more high-bound, more dedicated to obstruction than moving forward? i know that dick lugar in the remaining months will be an extraordinary servant of the people of indiana and the nation. i look forward to seeing h here back on the senate floor working for the remainder of his term. but it is a loss. it is a loss to the senate that

he's leaving. and it is a sad day on both sides of the aisle that dick lugar won't be part of the future of the senate in person. but he can add to the senate and what it can bring. i'd like to speak about another republican senator while i have the floor. my colleague, mark kirk. some of you have seen the video. mark had a stroke in january. he wrote about it in this morning's chicago tribune. 52 years of age, the picture of health, a navy reserve officer, a united states senator from illinois, actively engaged in our state, going back and forth county to county, city to city. we worked together on so many things, and then on that fateful day he was stricken. and with the stroke, suffered me very serious damage. i was a little bit disturbed when his physician-surgeon came out and said here's what we can expect. i'm not going to go through the graphic details, but they were sobering to think he would be

limited in any way by the stroke. i was upset because i thought he doesn't know mark kirk. that isn't going to happen. mark is going to fight back. he is going to be back. and he is going to defy the odds in terms of stroke victims. yesterday he released a video. it is inspiring, and i hope that everyone gets a chance to see it. i'm sure it's readily available. showing him going through rehab. showing the efforts that he's making to come back to the united states senate. mark called me earlier this week. we've talked on the phone a couple times since his stroke. he's been actively engaged mentally in everything that we've done since the stroke occurred. but every day he tells me that he spend on a tadmill. you know, miles and miles of walking on a treadmill so he'll be able to come back. i told him we're on a different treadmill here. i'm sure he wants to get back on it with us in the united states senate. but he will be back, and he said something that i think we all ought to remember. he said he asked his staff to

unt the steps from where he would park outside the senate chamber up to the senate chamber. they counted the steps, and they told him 45 steps. and he'd be back in the senate. and he said the day is going to come -- and i'm sure it will be soon -- when he will walk those steps. and there will be many, myself included, from both sides of the aisle cheering his return to the united states senate. so for mark, his family, his doctors, medical staff and all, thank you for this battle. thank you for your efforts, on behalf of our state. we look forward to your early return. mark and i have a joint town meeting, republican and democrat, every thursday morning. and the people sit there politely when we discuss issues and love it whaoe disagree because we do it without getting angry wit one another. he'll be back soon not only with those meetings

>> richard mourdock was a guest thursday on "washington journal. this is 35 minutes. host: joining us is richard mourdock, who knocked off 36- year senator richard lugar are in the indiana gop primary on tuesday. mr. murdoch, thank you for being with us. if we could, let's start with what we were talking with our audience about a little earlier this morning, and that was president obama's statement endorsing a marriage yesterday. i want to get your reaction to that. guest: well, i was surprised he made the statement, this being presidential election year. as i have travelled to the state of indiana in the last 15 months, i have not heard the issue come up more than twice. and as they like indiana that is very conservative, the president won in 2008, it will certainly

work to his disadvantage, and i see that happening in the other critical swing states. host: what about your personal view? guest: i am one who believes merit should be one man, one- woman. i watched here in indiana and i think 36 other states have also passed the so-called gay marriage ban amendments as happened here in indiana. a lot of states are picking this up as a statewide issue. to me, it is a fascinating issue in the sense that so many states are trying to preemptively acting head of what the federal government might do. it is really a very unusual thing we see. i cannot think of another incident are another issue where states are so rushed ahead of

what they think some federal judge might do in the future. host: what you think you beat richard lagarde? guest: first and foremost, senator lugar are had been in the united states senate for 36 years. especially during last 10 years, he has really lost touch with the people of indiana. a big issue that came up is that he physically has not had a residence in indiana since 1977. their midst of this campaign, he filed a lawsuit to make the legal argument, you cannot make me live in indiana. hoosiers were very offended by that. i could feel like a shock wave going across indiana. we are pretty simple people. we like to know who represents us and that they share our values. i think mr. lagarde had

separated himself from hoosier republicans in that regard reject i think mr. louis r. -- i think mr. lugar had separated himself in that regard. guest: my reaction to that is, obviously it is based on a campaign theme of ours, which is we have a lot of failures in washington d.c. right now. let's not forget that bipartisanship of the last number of years has taken us to the brink of bankruptcy. we do not need bipartisanship as much as we need the principle that says we live within our

means. when it comes to negotiating to getting things it done, i can certainly do that. we need to stand on those principles that say we live within our means. to your first question, what did we win this election? in large part, it is because hoosiers right now are incredibly proud of their state. i have heard democrats say i am so proud of indiana. there have only been two states that have kept their heads above water fiscally, and indiana is one of them. we have cut back spending, reduce the size of government. our credit rating has gone up while the nation has gone down. people here want to see that kind of leadership in washington. we need people who will stand on those rock salt -- rock solid principles.

host: you sue the federal government with regard to the bailout of auto companies. is that correct? guest: with the federal government organized the reorganization, all the bankruptcy laws that have been in existence since the first congress of the united states was thrown out the window. are secured creditors happen to be not just creditors -- not just police officers but required it is retired teachers. they had their property ripped away from them in an unprecedented way. in that case, i did follow lawsuit and it went to the united states supreme court. the first time that fell to take the case, and then they ruled in our favor by vacating their earlier court's decision.

host: is the of bailout of 2010 different than the 1978 bailout? was that a different situation? guest: it was a totally different situation in the financial structure of the deal. in the chrysler and the gm case as well, it was a totally different deal. secured creditors, not to go too much into the weeds, but if it sounds like complex finance, it is not. it simply means you have loaned money to a business and they have guaranteed you you will be the first in line to get your money back. the other types of creditors are

called non secured creditors and they have no guarantee there will ever get any money back. whatever money is left over goes to the non-secured. in the case of chrysler, there were adequate securities, adequate resources, adequate value in a normal bankruptcy to pay back the secured creditors 100 cents on the dollar,. but the government decided that is not what they wanted to do. so they turned the rules upside down arbitrarily to say that secured creditors were going to the bottom of the pile. then the hand selected the the unsecured creditors, put them at the top, most notably the united auto workers. there were not secured and suddenly getting better than the secured creditors. it was wrong. government's role should never be to pick winners and losers. today, walking here, i was listening about the hostess twinkies company, in bankruptcy. does the government going? to bail going? no. what's the difference? why is government picking winners and losers? host: two times state treasurer of indiana, richard mourdock. he's in the southern part of the state. you ran for office prior to being elected county commissioner, correct?

guest: i did. i ran for congress in the eighth congressional district, as it is known in national politics, the bloodiest district. i was the nominee in 1990 and lost. came back and ran again in 1992 and received 49% of the votes. obviously, i lost. was urged to run again in 1994. if i said i did not think '94 would be a good year for republicans. that was the year i was elected county commissioner and i served two terms. host: have you had a conversation with senator lugar since the election? guest: i have not. i spoke with him the saturday before the election. we were at a joint appearance. we had a moment at the end of the event and i said to him, senator, i have said in hundreds of times and i've never met this more sincerely than this moment, i have great respect for

you and no matter what happens on tuesday night, that will continue to be the case. senator lugar is a great man. indianapolis is america's most nearly perfect city. it was put on a course to be modernized because of mayor lugar. he was a great u.s. senator and is a great american. he is a national statesman. i've nothing but respect for mr. lugar. maybe it is because i lost those elections that i have such empathy for him today. i have not lost a race as an incumbent, but i can only imagine the sense of frustration he has after serving the people of indiana 36 years to lose the way he did on tuesday night. my thoughts are with him. is a good man. i hope to talk to him soon and i would appreciate his support if he chooses to give it. host: let's take some calls. beginning with indianapolis, peter on our republican line. caller: hi.

regarding what you said earlier, i know that senator lugar had some harsh springs to say about you. he was not at a press conference that you guys gave earlier. are there plans for an endorsement and the plan to speak with him soon? guest: traditionally, in this situation, obviously, the person who was not successful calls the one who was. it is an etiquette that i don't want to break for fear that if i give him that call it would be kind of the i told you so. and i don't mean it that way at all. i would not put the senator in that position. are certainly welcome his support.

if it is is to give us a call, we will certainly take that call. i would be delighted to sit down and talk with him to learn more, especially given his written release that was quoted year earlier in the morning. host: louisiana, please go ahead with your question or comment for richard mourdock. caller: i am from indiana. i, it is, indiana has closed financial books. my question really is, how can you help fix -- and do you believe in social security and welfare? that is my question. guest: do not believe in social

security? absolutely. the situation we have with all that is going on in the federal government, there need to be fixes applied, and very quickly. i agree with something congressman paul ryan has put forward in his budget plan saying there is a fundamental social contract that we have today with our citizens. everyone over the age of 55 who spent their entire working life understanding what the rules are, those promises that have been made have to be kept, every penny. we have to face the fiscal realities that exist. we have to start telling people between the ages of 55 and 60 today that there is a different set of rules. for both health care and social security. i don't think there is anything more immoral than making promises you know you cannot keep, and that is what we are doing today.

to your question on welfare, i believe there needs to be welfare reform. i was the county commissioner and i crafted a unique welfare to work project. we use money from a casino to help people willing to get job training or those with substantial disruptions in their life, we made funding available for them. it was something they could use as they needed it. it was limited. about the books of indiana -- the public records of indiana are public. there is a new website, transparency of indiana and i would encourage you to check it out. the comprehensive financial report of indiana.

host: ben is an independent in arkansas. please go ahead. caller: thank you so much. you were talking about the bailout. chrysler was manufacturing m-1 tank engines. my question has to do with the relation between the federal government and the state government. it is my belief that it is the province of the state to deal with issues like gay marriage, abortion, gun control and the government has little to do with these issues. there is a great deal of fuzzy logic being utilized these days.

phrases like "due process" are thrown around willy-nilly. i think there are citizens who have failed to educate themselves as to what these things really mean. host: mar. mourdock? guest: believe me, i don't know everything either. i was asking myself how it geologist winds up as a candidate for the u.s. senate? i have read the constitution many times. we were designed to have a relatively weak federal government and stronger state

governments. that is why i find this issue so interesting -- the gay marriage issue. i think that saying there is an awakening at the state level for a need to get back to the more federalist principles of the weaker federal government and a stronger state government. i think historians will note what has been happening these last few years. the government is growing larger and it is sucking up more resources that is killing our economy. so much of our revenues are going to washington. the system was designed so there could be prosperity at the local

levels. today we have so much the federal government. they are utilizing resources so they can distribute them as they see fit. we're on the cusp of something that will be seen as historical. host: is there anyone in the senate did you admire the most? guest: senator jim demint. senator mike lee from utah. we first met. the senator walked in and stuck his hand. his first words were, "what to the words 'promote the general welfare' mean to you?"

he's the youngest member but i think should i be successful, he would be my mentor. host: a large op-ed -- we have an e-mail from an illinois man -- host: your thoughts. guest: the comments i've made about bipartisanship. the obama bill was passed and i don't remember any conversations about bipartisanship. not a single republican voted for it. the democrats have the votes.

they were going to jam it through. the highlight of being in this business of politics is the opportunities i have to sit in front of a camera or standing in front of a microphone and conflicting my opinion upon them with the idea that i may change their way of thinking. i am more frustrated with republicans right now than i am with democrats. they are not coming back to their homes or their districts or their states and they're not getting in front of the unfriendly crowds to make the

argument why their vote was the right vote, why limited government is a good thing. i want to be on the campaign trail and putting up that message so republicans who think like i think can become the majority. then i'll be happy to have bipartisanship. host: mar. mourdock has a master's degree from ball state university. what is your masters in? guest: in geology. i worked in the energy business. i headed it has been spinning a bit to think that i would be in this wonderful position.

only in america. host: how much did you spend in the primary? guest: probably about $2.6 million. we were outspent about three to one. thisere's a moral from race, if i may, i was many times called a tea party candidate and the democrats are trying to label me as a right wing extremist. i released a list of 3/4 of chairman who signed on to support me. after that, the tea parties came on board and there were a tremendous source for volunteers.

this was an overwhelming victory. when people get motivated and they are committed to work for a candidate, they can make all the difference in the world. we identified 1300 critical republican precincts that we wanted to make sure we had somebody attending on primary day and every one of those precincts had a person there. we had 18,000 man hours on election day. it was an incredible thing. host: his opponent will be representative joe donnelly who represents the south bend area. "washington journal" has invited mr. donnelly to appear on this program, as well. caller: i have been in the army

eight years. some guy tried to rob me. how can he handle that situation to where it seems like i'm being stereotyped. they do not have an idea i was honorably discharged. i can understand --

host: let's see if there's anything there that mr. mourdock wants to respond to. guest: thank you for your service. i urge you to talk to the folks with the local civil rights or get good legal counsel. as a veteran, we appreciate your service to the country and you deserve to have full benefits. host: maurice e-mails to you -- guest: it may be a stretch to go to three. they have done a better job in opening up a better area of

negotiation for the economic ties we have in southeast asia. the emphasis on asian trade is a good thing and a healthy thing. we need to be looking to make sure we have those doors open for us. with china and india and vietnam, there will be more and more trade from the united states and they deserve kudos for that. host: steven from missouri. caller: you mentioned hostess filing for bankruptcy. the last year, the top executives gave themselves 80% raises. now they are filing for bankruptcy. i would like to hear your opinion. guest: thank you for the question. i was making that parallel between the chrysler workers who were losing their jobs and they were getting protection from the government.

in the hostess case, those people are not getting a bailout. there has been disparity over the last 20 years where we have seen in public companies and a lot of executives getting bonuses and raises that are way over the top and that is not something that i think is appropriate. i believe in employer stock ownership program. i have been a member of an esop. i'm concerned about the direction of american competitiveness. i hope to have more employee- owned businesses in this country. the employees would make sure the types of abuse that you talk about will not happen. is there a risk? of course there is. but we have to find a way to

encourage entrepreneurship in america. we need to have -- it doesn't mean they have to be experts, but they get to benefit in the long term from their labor. that is a wonderful concept. this was an area where there was total by partisanship. the republicans said social security was going to have some trouble meeting its obligations and this would be a way for people to help saving for themselves. democrats were willing to say, let's look out for the interest of the working people.

you have better distribution of what the company makes based on the approval of the stock owners, the employees. host: george from orlando, florida, e-mails -- guest: well, that is an issue where the states get to decide. i think marriage should be between a man and a woman. i understand that other people can disagree with that point of view. host: jeremy from alexandria. caller: i have a comment and a question. if you want good information

about why same-sex marriage has problems, i suggest he look up a law professor at george mason university. my comment relates to the state's interest in marriage. the state has an interest in promoting things that are good for society. there is good information -- host: we are running out of time and we will leave your comment stand there and take this last call from julie in st. paul, minnesota. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. pertaining to social security reform, i am a 54. how does this fundamental social contract affect me? has heard that paul ryan

received his social security benefits, so i want mine. guest: i have no idea are common on your reference to mr. ryan. we have to quit making promises we cannot keep. at some point, there will be a date that there will be some fundamental reforms. the only way to be as fair as possible is to be able to say to groups above 55, that is the contract. if what i said ever happens, this will have to come that we tell people honestly what they can expect from government. right now we are not doing that.

we're sitting on a time bomb of a $15.7 trillion debt. if we're ever hoping to meet the obligations of our national debt and social security, we have to get the economy growing again. we cannot tax or cut our way out of this problem. we have to grow our way out of it. i believe the glass is half full. we need to rebuild america and i want to be part of that. host: a criticism that senator lugar campaigned on was all the outside india not money that was coming into your campaign. guest: he made the point there

was special interest money coming from outside the state. they're called conservatives. they expressed the same things that i've spoken about today. they are concerned about the future of this country. we have to turn things around. it is a beautiful thing to be 60 years old and to run for an office that i did not have to have and i get to make the hard decisions that a lot of americans do not want to make, that a lot senators and congressmen do not want to make. if we start to scale back government, some will see that as difficult. we have some choices to make. host: richard murdock is the republican nominee for u.s.

senate in indiana. he defeated richard lugar on tuesday. thank you for being on the "washington journal." >> tomorrow, chuck wolf, president of their gay and lesbian victory fund in institute talks about his group's effort to elect openly gay public officials. arthur brooks discusses his new book, "the road to freedom, how to win the fight for free enterprise." the cost and scope of missiles procured by the defense department for the army, navy, air force, and marines. "washington journal," live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. >> cutting back in an age where crime is global in ways that it was not 10 years ago, and by that i mean whether it be organized crime, whether it be cyber crime, white-collar crime,

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