it, he will be talking about the success stories. it is a more complicated story and what both sides are saying. it is an interesting, complicated, at to understand where he is coming from, an important story to understand. >> more details available in the book. thank you very much for being with us. you can get more information at c-span's and video library. >> next, remarks by wisconsin rep paul ryan. chairman of the house budget committee chairman. then, a debate between canada and in this was -- wisconsin governor recall election. after that, 2012 commencement speeches by allen west. supreme court justice sonia sotomayor. arizona senator john kyl and education secretary arne duncan.

there is an extra day of "book tv." he may be best remembered for his goal with alexander hamilton. saturday night at 8:30 eastern. afterwards, the former director for asian affairs at the national security council on the imports of -- of possible state, north korea. >> it is a ridiculous dialogue. you can tell them the need to improve your human rights situation and their response to you will be, you, the united states have human-rights problems too. that is not a comparable discussion. >> that is saturday night at 10:00. also this weekend, he details operation red wings from service, and navy seal at the

war. sunday night at 10:00 eastern. three days of "book tv" this weekend on c-span to. this memorial day weekend, three days of american history tv on c-span3. actor is from"band of brothers." >> you give them everything in the platoon to jump with he said, we aren't jumping aren't we? i said yes. ok. what does that have to do with me? he said let me tell you something. how much you weigh? i said 138 pounds. how tall are you? i say 5'4. he said you have to put that half the in there. the reason you have that -- we

do not want to see you in spain. [laughter] sunday night at 9:00 thursday, when woodrow wilson, william taft and the legacy of the 1912 presidential election. monday night at 9:00 -- >> december 7, 1941, a date which will live in infamy. >> for the poor -- pearl harbour center -- tour the pearl harbour center. three days of american history tv. this holiday weekend on c-span3. paul ryan talks about the 2012 election and compares the republican party to the reagan administration and today's party. he spoke tuesday at the ronald reagan presidential library in california. congressman ryan has been mentioned as a possible running mate with republican

presidential candidate mitt romney. this event was organized by the ronald reagan presidential foundation and was part of their perspectives in leadership forum. it is just under an hour. [applause] >> thank you very much. thank you, everybody. thank you very much. first off, it is great to see my colleague here. i understand you live in the neighborhood. it is a pretty nice neighborhood you have here. thank you, fred, for your very kind introduction. if you could do me a favor, please thank mrs. reagan for inviting me here to speak. [applause] this is my second time here. i have to say -- there is a

spirit that pervades this reagan library. the cannot help but feel uplifted being here. it is the spirit of optimism, a sense that things will turn out all right if only we make the effort. in good times and bad, ronald reagan and body optimism. in here somewhere!" [laughter] his optimism together with his brilliant mind, determined will, and nancy's love and support were the keys to ronald reagan's greatness as an american leader. his temperament was sunny by nature, but i believe his optimism for the future just kept growing the more he talked

with people from all walks of life. president reagan liked to talk about his experiences touring ge plants around the country. he addressed maybe a quarter of a million people over those years, and he would stay after to talk with the workers. as he listened to their concerns, he came to realize how worried they were by the bureaucrats, not only within their own company, but also by bureaucratic interventions from washington, which were making their jobs more difficult. in my own travels across this country, and especially at my town halls in southern wisconsin, i've heard a lot of the same concerns. americans today are uncertain and worried about their future. many are suffering from lost jobs and shrinking incomes in ways they never suffered before. we look around us and see problems rising health care

costs, rising energy and food prices, rising college tuition, rising debt, and stagnant wages. and government just doesn't seem to have any answers. and we start to understand that ronald reagan's famous diagnosis applies again today: in this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. [applause] look, americans don't want to get rid of government. we like limited, effective government just fine. but that's not what we're getting. we're getting big, dysfunctional government. in the face of enormous challenges, the president and his party leaders have steadily increased government's power, promised wonderful things, and consistently delivered awful results.

and they show no signs of changing course. it's up to us to get america back on track. [applause] america is the only country in history founded on an idea the idea that all of us are endowed by our creator with the freedom to pursue our happiness, not someone else's vision of what's best for us. we want government to create the conditions in which we can flourish pursue a dream, provide for our families, earn our own success, and live the american vision of the good life. instead, we have a government in place that is determined to redefine that vision, so that less of our success is earned, and more of it owed, to the wise providence of a handful of special assistants to the deputy undersecretary of some federal department that thinks they know better than us.

[applause] too many in washington think that you and i and our families and friends can't succeed on our own anymore. sure, we face barriers to success in america but government isn't removing those barriers from our lives. instead, those in power are taking the view that we're all just stuck in our current stations in life, and government's job is to help us cope with it. whatever you call that, that's not the american idea. that's how a problem like the high cost of health care gets a response like the new health care law. this $1.6 trillion monstrosity is already creating big problems for american businesses and families, without addressing the problems it was intended to

solve. the good news is this -- americans are rejecting this approach. we know there's a better way forward. and more important, we know we can choose this better way. why? because we've done it before. that's why the parallels between 1980 and today are so striking. now, as then, we face not just a failed president, but a failed ideology. we face a pessimistic mood in the nation's capital a belief that our best days are over and the only thing left to do is manage the nation's decline. but we have the same opportunity today, to reject this defeatist attitude and embrace a positive reform agenda capable of kick- starting a new era of prosperity.

and american renewal. a comeback. we know this story has a happy ending. we know our country will not choose a path to decline. but we still have a lot of work to do if we want to get there. let me explain why i'm so confident that america will choose the right path. americans have always rejected those with nothing to offer but cynicism and the politics of division. and right now, that's all they're getting from the president. during his last campaign, he promised to help us, quote, "rediscover our bonds to each other and get out of this constant, petty bickering that's come to characterize our politics." [laughter] sadly, he has broken this promise, and become just another washington politician. he does not seem to understand that he can't promote the common good by setting class against

class, or group against group. the divisive politics of the last three years have not only undermined social solidarity, they have brought progress and reform to a standstill at the very time when america was desperate for solutions to a devastating financial crisis. to be clear, president obama did not cause this crisis. years of empty promises from both political parties brought us to this moment. but regrettably, this president was unwilling to advance credible solutions to the problem. in response to the financial crisis, we needed policies to strengthen the foundations of our free market economy. what we got was the opposite. we needed a single-minded focus on restoring economic growth. after the immediate panic in late 2008 subsided, we needed to

restore real accountability in the financial sector and just clean up the mess. we needed to restore the principle that those who seek to reap the gains in our economy also bear the full risk of the losses. [applause] we needed policies to control our debt trajectory so that families and businesses could confidently invest in our future. instead, the white house and the last congress enacted an agenda that made matters worse. they misspent hundreds of billions of dollars on politically connected boondoggles. then, when the country's number one priority remained getting the economy back on track, the white house and the last congress made their number one priority a massive, unwanted expansion of the government's role in health care. they even tried to impose a costly increase in energy prices in the middle of a recession.

and their idea of wall street reform? a blank check for fannie mae and freddie mac, plus a new law giving more protection and preferential treatment to the big banks, and more power to the same regulators who failed to see the last crisis coming. the administration and the last congress tried to exploit a financial crisis to transform a free-enterprise society into a government-centered society - a massively expanded role for the federal government, higher spending to support this expanded role, and higher taxes to support the higher spending. higher borrowing, too. in three and a half years, debt held by the public grew by roughly $4.5 trillion that's a 70 percent increase. our debt is projected to get much worse, spiraling out of control in the years ahead. this bleak outlook is paralyzing economic growth today. investors, businesses and

families look at the size of the debt and they hold back, for fear that america is headed for a diminished future. today, we face a fundamental challenge to the american way of life -- a gathering storm, whose primary manifestation is the shadow of our ever-growing national debt and whose most troubling consequence is ever- shrinking opportunity for americans young and old. this shadow hangs over young people, who face a struggling economy and the likelihood of greater turmoil ahead. more than half of recent college graduates are unemployed or underemployed in this economy. half! the shadow hangs over senior citizens, who have been lied to about their retirement security. and it hangs over parents. we wonder if we will be the first generation in american history to leave our children with fewer opportunities and a less prosperous nation than the one we inherited.

this storm has already hit europe where millions are enduring the painful consequences of empty promises turning into broken promises. we must avoid european-style austerity harsh benefit cuts for current retirees and tax increases that slow the economy to a crawl. but too many in washington are repeating europe's mistakes instead of learning from them. if we stay on this path, then bond markets in a state of panic will turn on us, threatening to end the american idea. forced austerity would put an end to that most fundamental of american aspirations -- that in

this land we are responsible for our own destiny that on this continent we might forever be free from foreign powers who would impose their limits on our dreams for ourselves and our children. if our generation fails to meet its defining challenge, we would see america surrender her independence -- not to a foreign army, but to the army of foreign creditors who already own roughly half of our public debt. the policies in place today would guarantee that outcome, unless we turn this around soon. there must be a pony in here somewhere, right? [laughter] and the good news is, there is. if you hear me say one thing today, hear this: this will not be our destiny. americans will never accept this shrunken vision of our future. that's not who we are. in 1980, ronald reagan explained perfectly why americans would never accept this mindset,

quote: "they expect you to tell your children that the american people no longer have the will to cope with their problems, that the future will be one of sacrifice and few opportunities ." what ronald reagan understood is that the case for free enterprise is not just a material argument, but a moral truth. and next january, our government will renew its dedication to this moral truth: the american idea of an opportunity society. government's role is not to rig the rules and aim for equal outcomes, but in the words of our first republican president, abraham lincoln "to clear the paths of laudable pursuit for all," so that all may have an equal opportunity to rise and freely pursue their happiness. the budget passed by the house of representatives this year drew the pattern for government

under new management in 2013. it is a plan to lift the debt and free the nation from the constraints of ever-expanding government. this budget will promote economic growth and opportunity on the first day it is enacted, with bold reforms to the tax code and a credible, principled plan to stop the debt crisis from ever happening. president obama's government- centered policies take from hard-working americans and give to politically connected companies and privileged special interests. our budget calls this what it is -- it's corporate welfare. and we propose to end it. as we end welfare for those who don't need it, we will strengthen welfare programs for those who do. government safety-net programs have been stretched to the breaking point in recent years, failing the very citizens who need help the most.

look, we pride ourselves on looking out for one another and government has an important role to play in that. but relying on distant government bureaucracies to lead this effort just hasn't worked. concentrating power in a distant central government consistently leads to worse outcomes for the poor, because it displaces those core institutions through which we really do look out for one another: community, faith and family. it stifles their vitality and substitutes federal power in their place. too many in washington spend too much time trying to measure compassion for those in need by measuring inputs. how much are we spending? how much are we increasing spending? how many new programs are we creating? but we're not measuring outcomes. are these programs working? are people getting out of poverty?

shouldn't that be our goal? look at the results of the government-centered approach to the war on poverty. one in six americans are in poverty today the highest rate in a generation. in this war on poverty, poverty is winning. the intentions may have been good but the outcomes were anything but fair. it is anything but fair to keep people trapped in programs that hinder their upward mobility. it is anything but fair to allow the debt to weigh on job creation today, closing off the most promising avenues for the poor to rise. and it is anything but fair to close off even more opportunities by further weakening the economy with permanently higher taxes. fairness means empowering citizens with policies that promote growth and opportunity.

fairness means maintaining strong, but not limitless, safety-net programs for society's most vulnerable. and fairness means fiercely protecting the god-given right of every human being to flourish by his or her own efforts. [applause] our budget builds on the historic welfare reforms of the 1990s reforms proven to work. we aim to empower state and local governments, communities, and individuals those closest to the problem. and we aim to promote opportunity and upward mobility by strengthening job training programs, to help those who have fallen on hard times. our budget lifts the debt, fosters economic growth, and ensures that government keeps the promises it is making to americans. instead of letting our critical health and retirement programs go bankrupt, our first budget

next year will save and strengthen them so they can fulfill their missions in the 21st century. the president likes to talk about medicare. we welcome the debate. we need this debate. what the president won't tell you is that he's already changed medicare forever. his health care law puts a board of 15 unelected bureaucrats in charge of cutting medicare. we should never agree to turn the fate of our parents and grandparents over to an unaccountable board and let it make decisions that could deny them access to their care. the new president and congress will reverse this change immediately. [applause] our budget next year will keep the protections that have made medicare a guaranteed promise

for seniors throughout the years. and it will make no changes for those in or near retirement. in order to save medicare for future generations, we propose to put 50 million seniors, not 15 unaccountable bureaucrats, in charge of their personal health care decisions. [applause] the president also likes to talk about taxes. we welcome the debate. we need this debate. if there is a single reform ronald reagan is identified with, it is tax reform. he persuaded america, republicans and democrats both, that lowering rates across the board, reducing the number of brackets, and eliminating deductions and loopholes were essential to restarting america's engine of economic growth.

and he was right. president reagan's major tax reforms, enacted with bipartisan support, proved to be a cornerstone of the unprecedented economic boom that occurred in the decade during his presidency and continued in the decade that followed. but as the years went by, credits, carve-outs and lobbyist loopholes grew on the code like weeds. and president obama wants to take us further in the wrong direction. he remains committed to taking more and more from the paychecks of hard-working americans not even to pay down the debt, but to chase ever- higher government spending. we propose a total overhaul of the tax code, to make it fair, simple, and competitive. [applause] we lower rates across the board. but revenue would go up every year under our budget, because the economy grows, and because we propose to close those special-interest loopholes that

go primarily to the well- connected and the well-off. when we lower tax rates by closing special-interest loopholes, we're saying washington shouldn't micromanage people's decisions through the tax code. let people keep more of their hard-earned money. let them decide how to spend it. we need this kind of tax reform to get our economy moving again. in the last four years, millions of americans have stopped looking for work. if the labor force participation rate were the same as it was when president obama took office, then the unemployment rate would be 11 percent today. we are heading toward a "new normal" of european unemployment levels because the administration's ideas for job growth have failed. we will never accept that here

in america and we don't need to. the reforms we will put in place next year will make our economy the engine of job creation it was in the 1980s, giving millions of workers who had given up hope for a job a new shot at success. the principles and proposals i have been describing today are not exclusive to one political party. the patient-centered medicare reforms we advanced in the house this year have a long history of bipartisan support. and tax reforms based on lowering rates and closing loopholes go back to president reagan's 1986 reform, when democrats served as the congressional co-sponsors of the landmark law. it makes sense that these ideas have attracted leaders in both parties. patient-centered medicare offers the only guarantee that medicare can keep its promise to

seniors for generations to come. and pro-growth tax reform, by lowering rates for all americans while closing loopholes that primarily benefit the well off, can eliminate unfairness in the tax code and ensure a level playing field for all. this is just a glimpse of what we can accomplish next year. now for the hard part: progress will require the removal of certain partisan roadblocks. [applause] let's start with a flawed health care law that must be replaced and the insistence from some in washington

hikes and tax gimmicks instead of tax reform. only with the right leadership in place can we move forward with ideas that renew the american promise of leaving our children a stronger nation than the one our parents left us. we can do this. in talking with americans across the country, i have been inspired by the spirit and energy of those hungry for a new direction that restless desire to break through the barriers holding them back, to get back to work, to raise their families, and to build a greater legacy for the next generation. people understand the moment we are in, and they are way ahead of the political class on this. they know that the times call for leaders who understand the depth of the problems we face, and who offer far-reaching reforms equal to the challenges. in 1980, ronald reagan offered supply-side economics at home and a rollback of soviet communism abroad.

the challenges this time? they're different. but the moment calls for the same kind of boldness. i believe boldness and clarity of the kind that ronald reagan displayed in 1980 offer us the greatest opportunity to create a winning coalition in 2012. we will not only win the next election we have a unique opportunity to sweep and remake the political landscape. of course we will highlight the president's failed agenda. [applause] that goes about saying. but you know what, america deserves to choose an alternative. one that aligns with our needs and one that we can rally behind. one that our founders can be problem. that is our moral obligation.

we have an obligation to provide the american people with a clear path that gets our country back on track. if we make this case effectively and win this november, then we will have the moral authority to enact the kind of fundamental reforms america has not seen since ronald reagan also first year. [applause] look, it is rare in american politics to arrive at a moment in which the election revolves around the fundamental nature of american democracy in the social contract. but that is exactly where we are. the defenders of the status quo would give more power to unelected bureaucrats, take more from hard-working taxpayers to fuel the expansion of government, and commit our

nation to a feature of debt and decline. prettypproach is workin unworkable. we who advocate the american ideal, we want to build a better path consistent with the timeless principles of our nation's pounding. we put our trust in people, citizens, not need less government officials to determine what is best for our future. in this country, we still have the ability and the dignity and their right to make our own decisions and determine our own destiny. we are americans. nothing can keep us down. [applause] many thanks to mrs. reagan for

inviting me and for all that she and her husband did to keep this country great. thank you. [applause] [cheers and applause] >> thank you. >> hello, governor. good to see you. >> thank you, congressman for that in spite insightful speech. our group of guests are very inquisitive. they are devoted. i have some questions they would like to put to you. before the event started, papers were passed around. i thought i would start with the most popular question. >> no.

[laughter] >> the second most popular question. the question is, i know you are happy being budget committee chairman. but if mitt romney asked you to run as his vice president, which you agree to do so? [cheers and applause] >> next question. that is a conversation i need to have with my wife before i have with all of you. >> fair enough. ok. the next one -- you spend a lot of time campaigning with mitt romney. what is your opinion on him? >> if i met mitt romney and spend time with him a year ago, i would have endorsed him then.

but that is what i decided to get involved in the primary. i've spent a number of time with them. he is a very sincere, smart, a committed man. what i see in mitt romney are the kinds of tools, skills, and character that you need in a leader. he makes decisions. what i see is a person who understands the moment our country is facing and the person who is willing to do what it takes to take us out of the pack the we are on and back on a pack path of rity --path o prosperity. i believe that he will say this country. -- save this country. [cheers and applause]

he is also a very funny guy. great sense of humor. >> he has been here a couple of times. we would love to have him back. >> with the major budget decisions will be addressed? >> three weeks ago, we passed the reconciliation bill. we cut the hundred $50 million in government spending. that is 61% of the government which has been on autopilot and has not been touched by congress since 2006. we cut money to deal with the sequester coming in january. we have already dealt with that in the house. we will be bringing a bill to the floor in a month on the tax issue. that is to extend current tax system for another year and then to have a procedure to put tax reform on the agenda for 2013. [applause]

what we are doing is that, we in the house, are leading by example. we are saying exactly what we will do, who we are, what we believe, we are passing by jets. the senate is not doing anything. they have not passed a budget in three years. the president is not doing anything to this pile up that we have. it is difficult to say what will happen. the senate and the white house is what it is. we have told them, this is exactly what we would do with these issues. >> is five weeks of lame-duck enough time? >> some people like to do grand likeining is an thing, it thans this. that is not a democracy should

work. there will be extensions. it depends on who wins the election. if we win, our intention is to extend current law to buy as time to put a permanent solution to this country's school problem. -- fiscal problem. we want to have a 2013 session that fixes a problem once and for all. >> how much do we need to reduce the deficit to become credit worthy again and to stabilize our budget? >> at a minimum, it is four trillion dollars. we have cut a certain amount from the budget. meaning, it is all about the introductory. our debt is as big as our economy right now.

it can get as high as eight times our economy. that is because of government spending. if we put in place the kind of reforms that change the drivers of our debt, those entitlement programs, and show that the trajectory will get under control and we passed the loss will convince credit markets that show we know we are doing -- pass the laws that will convince creditors the we know we are doing, we will have a if we get caps on government spending, i really believe we will turn this economy around very quickly. i believe that america will be turned around. [applause] you'll want to put your money in

america, keep your company in america. we can turn america back to an era of prosperity if we get the right policies and leadership in place. going back to your earlier question, mitt romney will win. then we will take back the u.s. senate. [applause] >> this next question is about obamacare. the supreme court is about to announced its decision on obamacare. against theble goit goes president, will this help? >> his signature achievement, he stopped working on the economy

and it was repeated as being unconstitutional. more to the point, i think it is good for republicans, but that is immaterial here. it is good for the country. it is good for america. [applause] >> this writer must be a journalist because he wrote, "and i would like to follow up." [laughter] >> a number of us have put out a number of plans of our own prior to obamacare. there was a very comprehensive patient-centered approach. mitt romney is working and idea.

we are working on ideas. what we believe is, we will not say this is our 27-page to take over the health care system. that is not who we are. second, we will articulate a vision for, how do have a patient-centered health care system in america? it will be an asset and not a liability. it will be one that recognizes the fact that we should not be turning this sector of our economy over to bureaucrats or to government-rationing. if, there are key drivers and principles that allow us to get a system where you can have guaranteed access to affordable care, including people with pre- existing conditions without the government having to take it over. we have and we will show the country exactly how we will get rid of this law, which will destroy the health care system.

we will show how we will replace it with a better system so we can have a portable health care insurance for all and we, the patient, we are the nucleus of the health care system and not some bureaucrat in the federal government. [applause] >> next question is from one of the students here tonight. what is the most important thing you take into consideration as you prepare the federal budget? >> one that will save the country from a debt crisis. look at the facts. i have been reading federal budget since i have been 22- years old. [laughter] this time it is different. governor, when you were and the senator from california, the budget was in the millions. perhaps hundreds of millions.

little tweaks could really fix the problem. it is very structural. by 2025, three programs -- medicaid, medicare, and social security -- consume a lot of the revenue. by early 2030's, our federal health care programs will consume 100% of revenues. we have a situation where we do not have a huge, long one of opportunity to prevent a european-like crisis. if we do not take opportunity of this moment, meaning the next president of the next congress, to prevent the next crisis, it will be ugly. the first thing i look back in the budget is, what gets us off the path of a debt crisis and an entitlement welfare state that public houses on? -- that president obama put us

on? we need to continue the american legacy. my dad used to say, you leave the next generation better off. that to me in a nutshell, this is planned as back to prosperity? does it make sure that my kids have a better light than the one that i had? -- life than the one i had? >> this next question follows up on that. if you can get president obama to cut one thing in the federal budget, what would it be? >> obamacare. [laughter] [applause] >> i like that you took me up on that. >> this might be the same answer. >> obamacare. >> what is the biggest waste of our tax dollars? how much time you have?

a good friend of mine -hundred- the billions of dollars are wasted every single year. it have different euphemisms for them. incorrect payments. if you look at our health care entitlement programs, tens of millions of dollars get wasted. it is a system that does not work. it is a system that really does waste a lot of our dollars. more importantly, it is a system that gives bureaucrats more control. if money is wasted, it is other people's money that is wasted. we have a 20th-century bureaucracy for the 21st century. we need to restructure the way our government works.

we have people, doctors, hospitals across the country competing against each other for our business. if money is wasted, it is their money that is being wasted and at the taxpayers' money. it is all about the approach. the big dollars are being wasted on entitlement programs. >> thank you. a couple of questions seeking your predictions. what you think the chances are of the republicans all the the majority in the house? >> everyone of us is up for election every other year. the house is up for re-election. i feel pretty good about it. but again, you cannot take -- >> what about the senate? >> i feel pretty good about that as well.

the ratio in this case has been in the republicans' favor. i think we will win a seat in wisconsin and missouri. in nebraska, there is a dynamic woman in the primary there. [applause] i think we have a pretty good chance of taking the senate. i am not just thinking happy thoughts. [laughter] more importantly, this is not an ordinary time. this is not an ordinary election time. it does not matter what generation you come from. this is the most important election in our lifetime. the stakes are very high. what i really believe will be successful for us as conservatives, as a party, as a country, if we take a page out of ronald reagan's playbook, if we go to the country with a clearer, bold, and specific

provision based on our time is principles, here is how we can fix the country's problems. then we will win by acclamation. then we will have an election. we will run against president obama and his miserable record and he will try to ignore the record. but if we go to the country with here is our vision to get america back on track and win the election, the we have a mandate. the have the moral obligation and a party to see this country from a crisis. i think we will do it. do you know why? churchill said it best. americans can be counted upon to do the right thing only after they have exhausted all other possibilities. [laughter] [applause] >> going back to president reagan's time.

they were able to get things done. everything was not personal. where do you think went wrong between now and then and how do we get back on track? >> you are asking a republican this. the way that i see this is -- there are certain democrats. i offered a medicare reform plan with a senator from oregon. he considers himself a progressive. ron was taken to the woodshed so severely by his party. he is fine and he can handle it. but it sends a message to other democrats, this is what will happen to you. what we see is that every time one of us does something

together, and medicare reform, the liberal " of the party does not want to see it because it violates a philosophical premise. let me say it this way. if we win the kind of election that i just described, we need to be bigger than that. we need to be unanimous. we need to invite democrats into our coalition. that is what reagan did. the medicare ideas we talk about? they are all saying that this is a good idea. it is the best way to save this program. what we need to do is to invite democrats into our coalition and work together. we can fix this country, not by cramming a vision down their throats like they did, but to come upon an agreement on these

ideas. two of the biggest ideas we have to do and there are plenty of democrats to agree with what we are saying. we need to win the election and bring them into our coalition. that is what reagan did. that is not the kind of democrats you have any the senate are in the congress. but we need to have a coalition. [applause] >> here is a specific question regarding banking regulations. what type of regulations and do you favor for banks? >> i am a big opponent of the dodd-frank law. [applause] because what it does is ample if you are a large banks, you'll be deemed system

quite risky. that means you can go into the market and get cheaper money. since you are making it harder for banks and financial institutions to give credit to customers, what will happen is that big banks will get bigger and small banks will be fewer. this to me is a perfect example of the president's croney alyssum. -- capitalism. they have rigged things for themselves. small businesses cannot compete and they go away. that jimmy is a trend of what is happening with dodd-frank. -- that to me is the trend of what is happening with dodd- frank. [applause]

>> question about the recall. do think governor scott walker will be recalled? >> i do not think he will be recalled. [applause] -- weeks away, it is an avalanche, into our state. you are sort of familiar with these issues in california, right? [laughter] the way that we see this is, this is a national trend-setting election. courage is on the ballot. what scott did it is that he basically said that public employees need to pay something for their help and retirement benefits like everyone else in the private sector. [applause] it is not a crazy notion. the other thing, what people do

not realize from out of state is that these reforms are working really well. they are reforming our schools. no more seniority. you can actually reform our schools to make sure that we get the best teachers teaching, more resources, and you can have the kind of reforms to make our schools better. special interest groups have been locking up our schools and denying reform. they do not have the same kind of clout they had before. property taxes went down in wisconsin for the first time in 12 years. this is working. [applause] what we are worried about is that the polls are starting to look good. we are worried about complacency. it is all about her out. the reason why was a kurd is on the ballot is because if you are a governor or a state senator or state assembly man who puts these kind of common sense

if you do place -- this and see how we are renovating our schools and making our business, better, then these reforms will show that they work. this is really a moment breaker or maker. we felt good about it. we think we will win it. because of that, we got 10 electoral votes in november. the we see it, we save wisconsin on june 5 and then wisconsin will save us in november. [applause] >> for our final question, what you think is ronald reagan's greatest legacy? >> gosh. prosperity and peace.

he stared down the evil empire. he had the courage. we all know the story -- he was a statesman. had a moral compass. he had a vision that he could implement. we have the ability to execute his vision. people like that did not come around all that often in the world. thank god that ronald reagan did. he got peace and prosperity as a result. [applause] >> thank you. wonderful. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. thank you.

>> there will be served in the air force one pavilion. thank you all for joining us. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] .

>> next, a debate in the recall election. at 10:00, commencement speeches. then a discussion about mitt at bain capital. tomorrow on "washington journal," daniel meckstroth examines the return of some manufacturing jobs that has been overseas 40 dead decades. the state department's release of the human rights report from david kramer. "washington journal"at 7:00 eastern on c-span. >> i want people to get a better

understanding of what she was like in that four year period. most of it has been from people who have spoken with friends of friends of friends. i happen to be there. i knew her. >> client hill served on the protective detail from jacqueline kennedy. cox there is no gossip. it is just what happened, things she liked to do. how humorous she was at times. kind of power rambunctious she was. she tried to put the to the test many times. i did my best to meet that test. >> more with clint hill sunday night at 8:00. >> c-span takes you live to milwaukee for a recall election

debate between scott walker and tom barrett. we will headed to the studios in milwaukee for the debate hosted by the wisconsin broadcasters association foundation. the candidates will be questioned by local anchors. governor walker and tom barrett army for the second time. >> life, the wisconsin broadcasters association foundation presents a statewide broadcast debate between the leading candidates in an historic recall election. and now, the president of the wisconsin broadcasters association foundation.

>> good evening. wisconsin radio and television broadcasters are pleased to continue our broadcast tradition sponsoring widespread debate in major wisconsin political campaigns. this evening's debate will engage the two leading candidates in the first recall election in the 164 history of wisconsin. this evening's debate is made possible in part through generous grants from the wisconsin association of and dependent colleges and universities and wph health insurance. >> good evening. this is my friend ralph from the association of independent colleges and universities. along with wph, the 25 nonprofit

colleges and the more than 60,000 students are pleased to sponsor this gubernatorial debate. to be competitive in the global economy wisconsin needs to expand educational opportunity. wisconsin's colleges have been committed to excellence in education since before wisconsin became a state. we believe an educated and civil debate focused on the issues is the essential for moving the state forward. >> we have been insuring wisconsin's house since 1946. in that time we have seen our society growing challenges, especially in health care and health insurance. we hope our sponsorship will help you gain a better understanding of how each of these candidates represent us in govern our state. >> please join us in watching this debate and in thinking about the future.

then make your voice heard by avoiding on tuesday june 5. >> the format will allow for each candidate to make an opening statement, to respond to questions from a panel of reporters, and to have one opportunity to ask a direct question from his opponent. the order of responses has been decided by a coin flip. our panelists this evening include bob dore. aaron davidson, and paul from wdjttv milwaukee. we will begin with a statement first from gov. walker. >> thank you to all of the for tuning in from all across the state of wisconsin.

he said years ago i ran for governor because wisconsin's faced an economic and fiscal crisis. we have lost more the 100,000 jobs. we knew we had to take action. we balance the budget without raising taxes, without massive lay off said without cuts to programs like medicare. we actually added money to medicaid. we put more money into medicaid than any governor in wisconsin history. we chose to balance our budget for structural reforms to help balance not just the state budget but our local budgets as well. we were thinking more about the next generation that the next election. is that not what you i liked us to do? the good news is our reforms are working. we have documented more than $1 billion worth of savings that has led to property taxes going down for the first time in 12 years. that is why the state of wisconsin has a budget surplus

and is why best of all jobs were created in 2011. since i was for sworn in as your governor, more than 40,000 people have gone back to work. we are turning things around and heading back in the right direction. >> thank you for hosting us tonight. thank you to all the listeners watching tonight. this is not a rematch for a do over. we cannot do over the decision of scott walker. to start a political civil war that resulted in this state losing more jobs than any other state then the entire country in 2011. a decision that tore apart the state and made it impossible in some instances for neighbors to talk to neighbors, for relatives to talk to relatives because it was too bitter a fight. we cannot do over his decision to put his national ambitions

ahead of the state of wisconsin. as he traveled around the country and became a rock star to keep -- tea party activists and billionaires who have funded his campaign with millions of dollars of contributions, money he has used to distort my record. we cannot do over the fact scott walker's administration has been investigated, a criminal investigation that looked at the activities of some of his key aides. his refusal to release secret e- mails that were on a system that was in his county executive office and his failure to tell us who was raising his funds. this is about the future. i will put wisconsin first. >> thank you. our first question will be from bob dore.l >> good evening gentlemen.

the first question is why are we here? 20 months ago the two would you debated to see who would be elected to a four year term. what is your view on why we are back here less than half way through that first term? >> i think i answered that in my opening statement. we are here because gov. walker made a decision. he made a decision he would try to divide the state. he made phrases like he was going to drop the bomb. he was going to divide and conquer the state. and he has. he has divided the state unlike anything we have ever seen. what we have seen in this state is we saw hundreds of thousands of people reject hundreds of thousands of people in this democracy who decided they wanted a change. they wanted an opportunity to get a governor who would put this state first.

a governor who would focus on creating jobs and to enter the state and not traveling around trying to enhance his national image. a governor who would restore trust to the governor's office. a governor who would and divisions where neighbors cannot talk to neighbors. they want a governor who will and the civil war. scott walker started the political civil war. i will and the civil war. that is something citizens of this they want. they understand the real issue we face is jobs. we have to have a governor that will focus on creating jobs in this day. again, that is the governor i will be. >> in answering your question, i think it is our reforms. that is the way it started out. we do not hear a lot about it, largely because our reforms are working. we documented $1 billion worth of savings because of our

reforms. it is great news not only for homeowners, small business owners, and for people on fixed incomes. we see our state has $154 million surplus. for the first time we put two consecutive years with money in the rainy day fund. we saw wisconsin actually gain jobs. they talk about the jobs number that was based on a sample 3.5% of employers in the state. they showed last year wisconsin gained jobs. since i have taken office we have had more than 30,000 new jobs in the state. if you looked at my record and compare that with my opponent, the mayor of with -- milwaukee, taxes have gone up 46%. the unemployment rate has gone up 28% in the city of milwaukee.

i think in contrast people want to go forward. they do not want to rehash the same debate that we have had which is what the mayor is talking about. they want to move on and go forward and i indicated it for that. >> should the recall election laws be changed? >> i think scott walker is the best expert of that. he has signed recall petitions against senator fine gold, against senator kohl not for criminal misbehavior but because he disagreed with the political decisions that would make. the were the decisions that led to this recall. >> absolutely the loss should be changed. i think republicans and democrats alike realize spending $60 million or $70 million on another election is a waste of money. after this is said and done we

will move on as a state. you will see democrats and republicans not only in the legislature but all across the state who want to see a change. today we have a chance to debate the future. i will spend tonight talking about the future. >> our second question is from aaron davidson. >> if you had to do it all over again, which to seek the same changes in the semi? would you seek to undo changes and if so how would you go about it? the >> that is a great question. i get asked that a lot. looking back without a doubt i would change things. they like the results. they just wish we had done a different. if i had a chance to do it

again, if i had went out into the worry in february and a made the case across wisconsin and explain what was happening, remember before school districts across the state were literally spending tens of millions of dollars more than they needed to because they were forced to buy their health insurance from a centrally one company. i spoke with the small-business owner today who talked about working with school districts all across southwestern wisconsin. the money they have saved has gone right back into the classroom. if i told people that is what is at stake back then, most taxpayers would have sex, you need to fix that. if i talked about -- most taxpayers would have said, you need to fix that. i think most taxpayers would have said, you need to fix that. my problem is i fixed it and then i talked about it. most politicians spend all their

time talking about it but they do not fix it. we understand the product is the most important thing. the process itself is important. that is why i spent the last year on educational reform. we will continue to bring stakeholders in and create a good product and process. >> you started this by saying you are going to drop the bomb. you were going to go first after the public employees. you would use to divide and conquer as your strategy. you would use a budget bill to tear this state apart. i think of great leaders like franklin roosevelt, jude -- guiliani, what do they do in a time of crisis? they tried to bring people together. you decided to use a budget crisis to try to divide and conquer the state. that is what happened.

that is what happened to all of this. he succeeded. he succeeded in dividing the state. you said it was the first step. this is really about worker's writes. it is not just about republican -- is about the middle-class and whether people who live -- work in the middle class have rights. i have spoken with people working in our prisons right now and they say they have never been more afraid because their rights were taken away. i am concerned about those rights. i am concern those rights have been taken away. i think it is an attack on the middle class. >> our next question is directed at mayor barrett. >> i think it is clear you both recognize job creation is one of

the biggest issues in this race. lately how we count jobs lost has become equally as important or controversial. you are working with different sets of numbers. voters are being asked to place bets. with so many livelihoods at stake across wisconsin, why should voters bet on you? >> let me explain the numbers i am using. i am using the numbers that scott walker embrace last year. i am using the numbers by every state. the bureau of labor of statistics numbers. those are the numbers that showed under scott walker the state lost more jobs than any other state in the country in 2011. scott realized he had a problem. he could not run for this election knowing that the people of this they would know we have lost the most jobs of any state in the country. he brought his key political appointees together and said we

need to have a different measurement. they brought a measurement out 20 days before this election. they had tv commercials running four hours later saying let's use this set of numbers instead. these numbers have never been verified. he knows the cannot be verified. if we were to believe his numbers, the bureau of labor statistics would of had the largest discrepancy they have ever had. he cannot defend his record on jobs so they trot out these numbers that are not used in this fashion ordinarily. they put tens of millions of dollars behind them in commercials trying to convince the people of the state we have created jobs when the state has lost jobs. >> the facts are the facts. our reforms are putting more people to work. the numbers we originally looked at the mayor is hanging his hat

on our number is said by a sample of 3.5% of employers in the state. that is why you would talk to nearly every employer in wisconsin, almost 160,000 employers responded. those numbers show that wisconsin gained 23,321. those numbers come directly by lot. -- by law. those were required to be submitted on may 16, 2012. that is what the law requires. the reason there is a much tension about the process is that the disconnect from the attacks have been under for month after month by our opponent. if you look at the contrast we see our unemployment rate down, the lowest it has been since 2008. we see 30,000 jobs created since i took office. in the city of milwaukee, unemployment has gone up 26%. it is one of the poorest cities

in the entire country. i have said time and time again we do not want wisconsin become milwaukee. we want to help other cities become like what we have done for the state of wisconsin. >> know, you have already -- >> i thought there was time for a rebuttal. >> know, our next question is from bob. >> most of the last budget debate was spent on the spending side of the debate. we would like to talk about the other side right now, the revenue side. tax cuts and specifically how you define a tax increase if a deduction gets removed, is that a tax increase? what about previous spending cuts, if they get restored is that it increase?

paperwork filing fees. if those get increased is that a tax increase? i would like to know your definition of a tax increase. looking ahead to the next budget if you plan any of those. >> we have lowered the tax burden on this budget. most important thing we did was put caps on property taxes. it is a difference i had betrayed myself and the mayor and other democrats running. i want to keep property taxes down. for the first time in 12 years because of our budget the taxes went down. it's bad for working families and others out there. that probably more than any attacks out there is the biggest issue. we put in place incentives for job creation. i was informed earlier today,

they benefit from our taxes. they are putting more people back to work driven by the change of attitude because they have shown putting more money back into their hands so they can invest in capital and innovation. that is not just the definition of a tax increase, that is the definition of what it takes to get these to working again. that is a fundamental difference. i do not believe more government is the answer. giving -- getting government out of the way is the answer. that is not the way to go. i want to move this date forward. >> i want to respond to a statement scott said earlier and is continuing to tax and dividing conquer strategy trying to pit people against the city of milwaukee. during the. he was county executive, unemployment went up 34%. debt went up 85% during the

time he was county executive. he introduced a budget in his last year the had a $40 million increase over his first budget. he does not even when the people of this day to remember he was ever the county executive of this county. i agree with the revenues are in issue here. scott has not called the increase that seniors pay because of the steps he took to increase the homestead tax credit. i would call that a tax increase. it is a tax increase that hits seniors and the state. seniors who are on fixed incomes. it all comes to trust, how you define things and measure them. he also said we are running a budget surplus right now. you know how the budget surplus canned about if it is in fact there? he used a credit card. he used a credit card and pushed over $500 million of debt onto our children and grandchildren.

they are going to have to pay more than $150 million in interest so he can look good politically. that is not a trust for the action. >> our next question is from erin davidson. >> have money in the campaign will compromise of the state of wisconsin. previous averages were between seven and 10%. what is the rationale for that and how does this impact wisconsin voters? >> that is a question you asked scott. if you look at our most recent report, 99% of my contributions came from individuals. 91% came from people who contributed less than $100. 85% of them came from people who live in the state of wisconsin. this is something the people in the state get. there is something wrong when a sitting governor raises 60% to

70% of his most recent campaign contributions from people who do not live in the state. from a billionaire in texas, to developers and misery, do you think for one second of people care about what is -- developers in missouri, do you think as people care for one second what happens to people here? this is part of an ideological civil war. he once in this state to be the prototype for the tea party nationally. that is why he is such a rock star. they'll love him. the right wing loves him because he is doing exactly what they want him to do. he is not doing what the people and wisconsin what him to do. he is pleasing the billionaires'. there is something wrong with you have a sitting governor has raised 70% of his money from other states.

>> you look at where it all started, we saw millions of dollars poured in from special interest try to attack us. that continued in the supreme court race. spending tens of billion dollars trying to take out six republican state senators. we have seen that throughout the recall process itself. we would not have to raise your spend a penny a denture this election if not for the out-of- state special interests. what you have seen as people from across the state and money from across the country saying, this is a governor willing to stand up and take on the powerful special interests. instead is something that is unique. but the power back into the hands of the hard-working taxpayers. that is why there is some much interest from people in washington trying to defeat us.

there are a lot of discerning democrats are governors and mayors across the country looking closely saying, maybe it is time we took on special interest as well. that is the difference in the selection. that is why others who have helped us out, more than 76% of donations come from people giving us $50 or less. they understand finally somebody will stand up and take on the special interests. >> our next question is for paul, directed first and john walker. -- directed first that gov. scott walker. >> 3 of your aides have been under investigation. one of them have pleaded guilty. he said repeatedly you are not a target in this investigation. what if any responsibility do

you bear for activities that took place on your watch as county executive? on the same topic you said the governor is to come clean about what he knows implying he is either withholding information or he has actually done something wrong. do you have any information to support that implication? is it responsible to say as much? the cracks first off, let me be clear and set the stage here. i have had a high level of -- on the way back to the days of my kids, i have shown that during my time of state assembly. i will continue to have high integrity long after i am in this position and long after this process is completed. the facts clearly show any time it was brought to our attention somebody violated our strict policy against using taxpayer resources for political purposes

we took action. i would like to think for a lot of people tuning into that is to know this investigation started because my office ask for it two years ago. we have concerns about somebody involved in a veterans related program. we ask the attorney to look into it. that is why we continued to cooperate. there is nothing new here. the reason i think the mayor and my opponents wanted to spend some much time on this is the wanted to distract attention because they are desperate. things the selection of bach -- things this election is about, reforms, are not talk about because they are working. they do not want to talk about them or the mayor's record in milwaukee where unemployment has gone up 28%. we learned violent crime that we thought was down has sadly gone up. that is what they're focusing on this. >> scott walker is the only

governor who has a criminal defense fund. he is paid over $100,000 in criminal defense fees to lawyers who specialize in federal prosecutions and ones who specialize in state prosecutions. your key aides have been charged. in his executive office, 25 feet from the distance we are from each other where there was a secret computer system that did fund-raising, campaigning. when he found out about it, did he order an investigation? no. he sent an e-mail and said we cannot afford to have many more stories. his concerns for about public relations, not about criminals investigations. i am asking for two things. clear the record and show us the e-mails he sent it to that

enterprise. that would clear the entire thing up. i did that make any allegations he did anything wrong. i want to clear the air. i also ask he tells us who is paying his criminal defense fees. the people in the state have a right to know who is paying his criminal defense fees. that does not raise any charges against him. that is what we have a right to know and that is what i have asked. >> our next question is from bob dohr. >> a large contingent of some democrats left the state to prevent the body from growing -- voting. now that that precedent has been set it could happen from lawmakers from either party. what is your view of the practice? secondly, if elected governor, how would you deal with it if it happens and how prevented if you do not wanted to happen?

>> this oba's to leadership and how you deal with people. i think scott acknowledged he did not deal with the introduction of the bill that is the best. i think that is the understatement of the year. in my view has always been that you seek to work with people. ec to explain to them what is going on since you do not face the civil wars. he said that was his plan. his plan was to divide and conquer. that is not how you get things done. i balanced eight budgets as a mayor of the city. i have done so by working with people. that does not mean you will always agree or have pleasant conversations. i think the job of an executive is to set a tone for the organization, whether it is how people act in an office in terms of criminal activity or in terms of how you act with a legislature. what his decision was was to drop the bomb. that is his phrase.

that is not my phrase. that is his phrase. he was upset people acted in a negative way. i think that is something we want to see repeated? of course i do not. even people who left to not want to see that repeated. one of the things we have learned -- we have learned the hard way. you have to have an executive willing to work with people, not try to paint people into a corner where make them look big making somebody else looks small. >> i recently met a woman who introduced herself and said "i am a democrat, but i support you. i said, you have not heard me talk yet. she said, it is not what you say it is what you do. i do not agree with everything you had better every step you have taken, but i appreciate the fact that somebody ultimately has been willing to take on the tough issues and to take on our

fiscal and economic crisis in the state. we have taken on the first battle. it is time to move forward. we talk about our job session in the past legislative session. nearly everyone in the adams' past with a bipartisan support. we did it again in the fall. -- nearly 96% of them were bills that democrats and republicans voted for. we can build on that. the mayor talked about this threat the primary that he wants to go back and restore collective bargaining. that means we will have the battle all over a again. he said he would fight and fight and if somebody did not go his way he would target them and take them out. members of the legislature that would knock on his side, he would target and take them out. that does not sound like somebody who wants to move on and move forward. we think it is time to get the stay working and move forward

again. >> our next question is from erin davisson. >> earlier this year they canceled plans for an iron ma'am -- iron mine when they cannot pass the bill. it will continue to be a topic of concern. what can we learn from minnesota about workable mining legislation? how can wisconsin balance the need to protect our environmental resources with demand for job opportunities available for the mining industry? >> will work with private sector unions -- we work with private-sector unions, a number of them who were passionate not only about mining but on restoring the raids on the transportation system and putting more energy into power in wisconsin. there were working to streamline the process. i crisscrossed the state advert -- advocating for that. because that mine would have

generated 2300 jobs, i spent time in places all across the state where you see jobs that would have been created. will advocate for that. this is an example of what happens with recall politics. overwhelming support from washington said to those senate democrats, you cannot pass this legislation. you cannot give the governor a victory. i think we can put together a process that a number of democrats can support in moving the state forward. our private sector unions will be a key part of that. >> this piece of legislation is an example of what happens when you have a governor more interested in traveling around the country giving fund-raiser speeches than working on legislation. it is much as this piece of legislation, it is a venture capital bill. he says key economic development

initiatives are passed in january. other were not. these were his two key economic initiatives and neither one of them passed. why did not pass? they did not pass because you had a governor who was not interested in taking off his jacket and rolling up his sleeves and working with people. i would tell you what a good executive would have done. a good executive would have brought in the environmentalists, the native americans, local government, and the company. the when the sec, is there a need for the mine? -- they would have said, is there a need for the mine? he never did that, not once. the venture capital is a better example. that what he cannot blame the democrats on. it was the republicans who disagreed. you cannot blame the democrats for that. he never brought them in. he never rolled up his sleeves and did the hard work the executive has to do.

he was having too much fun traveling around the country. we have to have a governor who will be here and focused on creating jobs in the state rather than advancing their careers nationally. >> our next question is from paul piaskoski to mayor barrett. >> this seems to be one of those issues on which public and political opinions are shifting rapidly. as we know the president kim recently in support of gay marriage. the ncaa reject the naacp declared it a civil right. a poll showed 53% of americans favor the legalization of gay marriage compared to 36% back in 2006 when wisconsin voted. i am curious as to whether your opinions have also evolved or change that all on that issue.

for instance, if a measure legalizing civil unions were to emerge how you might respond to that? cox i would support that. i believe in marriage equality. it is an issue where opinions have mattered. for younger people in particular, they understand the need to respect relationships. i do respect them. the issue here goes beyond that. there are other issues that are important to the state where there is a disagreement between scott walker and me. one of them has to do with equal pay for equal rights. that is an issue where we have a sharp disagreement. there is a federal law that ensures women will not be paid less than men for the same work. i support the legislation. similar legislation passed at the state level so that somebody who was an iowa county or somebody in florence county does not have to take their case to a

federal court. they can take it to a state court. scott walker and his allies repealed the law. they repealed a law that gave a state court revenue so that women and veterans and others who have been paid less than they're worth said they could be addressed in state courts. those are it -- those are issues that are important to me. >> i took an oath and office to uphold the constitution. the constitution defines marriage as between one man and one woman. i continue to support that. the issue he just talked about, his only disagreement with the facts. the fact is it is against a lot today. it will be every day i am in office. it is against the law to discriminate against a woman for employment against the woman or discriminate based on gender.

that is the law today. media outlet after media outlet has pointed out that the mayor's attacks are false. that is the law. that was the glove before 2009. that is the law today. every day i of an office and will continue to enforce the law to ensure not just women in general, but i think about my own kids and particularly my nieces. one day when they enter the work for someone to make sure the law is intact so somebody is standing up and defending their right to get equal pay as well. >> our next question is from bob dohr. >> what is the state of the state's educational system? technical colleges, k through 12, are we in better shape than two years ago? as a well-positioned to to help with things like job creation and economic development? >> think it is. i have a vested interest

throughout the whole process. i have two kids to go to public high school done away from where we're standing today. i want to make sure that every kid a matter what district they live in or where they come from across the state has access to a great education. one of the most positive things about reform is the benefits provided to our traditional public schools throughout the state. for years, schools all across wisconsin essentially had to buy their health insurance from one company. that meant tens of millions of dollars they had to spend on health insurance plan instead of putting the money directly into a classroom. on top of that, we had an example years ago where a young woman in the public school system was named one of the most devastating new teachers of the year. a couple of weeks after that she found out she was being laid off, long before was governor because of cuts made in the past. the reality is under the old system, the last one hired was

the first one fired. deferred -- the last one in is the first one out. they want to restore the system. i want to say, merit should drive hiring. that means we can put the best and brightest in the classroom. a survey has said this is why they wanted to hide at intermission from the public. the responses for more positive this year than anytime over the past 10 years. >> i cannot think of an organization with the tip of. $6 billion out of the budget that is going to be better off. that is exactly what scott walker did. he took $1.6 billion out of k- 12. it did not end there. technical schools to a 30% cut. we have to invest in our kids. i have four kids as well. i want our kids to get an education in this state and not come out of college in buckets of debt.

that is what i want. but to not invest in education is penny wise and pound foolish. all you have to do is look at minnesota. a much higher per-capita income in the state. one of the main reasons is more of their residents have graduated from college or technical school. what did scott walker tried to do? the divide and conquer strategy where he tried to pit the university of wisconsin against oshkosh. what would have been the result of that? it would have given up tuition costs for students at the wisconsin madison. more would have come from out- of-state. i want our flagship university to be a place where our students can attend a not to be a place where dollars are going to be the main goal so we can get students from out of state. >> our next question is from erin davisson for mayor barrett.

>> 15 residents rely on medical assistance paid for by the state. -- one in five residents rely on medical assistance paid for by the state. there are costly. how can the state ran in expenses while still providing for people who would not have access to health care? >> one of the beginning tenantry have to use is that of people have jobs we want to make sure they have health care. we do not want people to quit their job because they do not have health care. we do not want situations where mothers who do have health insurance are forced to go to emergency rooms. if you are a mother with a sick eight-month old and you do not have a primary care physician, i wanted to go to the emergency room if you love your baby. that is the most expensive and inefficient way to deliver health care. it almost seems like an ironic tradition. i worked on a bipartisan basis to get that jury care approved.

that was approved on a bipartisan basis. that way people can work to get health care. i think we need to continue to invest. there were people who lost it under scott walker's budget. he attempted to make severe cuts to senior care. that is a program that allowed seniors to get per -- prescription drugs. that was put back into the budget on a bipartisan basis of that seniors would not lose their coverage. it was only when the federal government threatened action that he decided to take action on family care. to me that went to trust. to have the governor said he wants to restore family care, but then we find out he said because the federal government had threatened the state. that is a problem. >> first off, you make an investment. we put $1.2 billion more into medicaid that will was there in the past. i invested more money into

governor inn any wisconsin history. in paris around the country. illinois fell to make the tough decisions and they are cutting $2.7 billion from medicaid. we added more money than just about any governor in the country. we put in place reforms to make sure it was sustainable. that we can continue to add people who have had physical and developmental disabilities as part of family care. we provide a basic safety net for families and children under badgercare. you cannot do that without putting in reforms. if your employer has health insurance, we will ask you to take it from your employer instead of relying on the taxpayers. if you are somebody in your early 20s will ask you to get it from your parents as of the tax payers. that is what insures medicaid is there for generations to come. we really do not know other than

what we have just heard from the mayor what he will do because it has been 44 days since she was first asked if this is about and doing the past year-and-a-half, what would you do? he has not told the voters. he does not have a plan. we have invested money into medicaid and we will in the future. >> we have time for one last question and that will come from paul piakoski. >> there has been ideological warfare to say the least going on in the state capital. have hard democrats and the like -- are democrats and the left and republicans on the right. what would you do to bring unity back to wisconsin? what can you do? >> one of the biggest things is moving on past the june 5 elections. we have a real choice here. voters need to understand if we get past june 5 rigging get back

to focusing on jobs and education reform. we can move the state forward. going back and rehashing the same debate we had last year is not the way to move forward. what i want to do is build off of the foundation of a process -- i talked about it earlier -- improving the process as well as getting a product. we started out last march, we have a shared interest because of my two kids in public school, the superintendent because of his interest and public education. we worked on improving reading scores and involvement for elementary school kids. we worked on agitator effectiveness. our staff to gather one of the most comprehensive groupon stake holders when it came to accountability. there is more work to be done on that. whether it is education or its assortment of other issues where we can build on that bring the

state to gather in the future. the reason most people do not work -- the reason most people do not know about it is because it is working. we brought together a good number of people who can do that again when it comes to jobs, budgets, and other things in the future. >> the first thing you have to do is establish trust. he did not establish trust when 20 days before an election you trot out a whole new set of employment numbers so people can see right through. he did establish trust when you said you have a deficit -- you do not establish trust when you have a deficit and you deal with it dishonestly. you take out a credit card and say i will deal with this our kids will pay 100 for the $6 million more in interest. that is not how to establish trust. i was elected in a deeply divided election. i reached out to people who did not support me. i did not try to punish by political enemies.

if you are mayor or governor, you have to be the executive for the entire jurisdiction. scott won with 52% last time in the would have thought he would have won with 96%. the first that he took was to punish his enemies. that is easy to do. it does not bring people together. the job of an executive is to try to work to get things done it cannot be "is my way or the highway." it cannot be an ideological litmus test that we do not care what the practical results are. my style has never been that i make myself look big by making somebody else looks small. i tried to push people into a corner politically. that is the kind of executive that we need. >> each canada will have the opportunity to ask one question of the other. -- each candidate will have the opportunity to ask a question to the other.

governor walker, you may question tom barrett first. >> i will skip the just like i did two years ago. i do not think it will hear us bickering i just think it was to see as answering questions. >> you probably think i will ask a question about the criminal and investigation and what you will not tell people who is paying your legal defense fees are why you refuse to turn over the mails. that is a question that has been asked. i am concerned, there was recently an investigative report that talk about your travel. it talked about your schedule. it has days that were filled with personal time. this investigative analysis went on to find many of those times you were caught out of state giving political speeches or fund-raising events. you have refused to tell the public what your schedule has been as it pertains to fund-

raising and political events outside of the state. prior to this election, will you disclose to the people of this state your out of state travel for fund-raising and political purposes? >> i think it is real simple. for the people in green bay who six times in the last 11 days have seen me in their community, to the people in southwestern wisconsin, iowa, richland county and lafayette county and others. to the people i saw an oshkosh, i think they know where i am at. i am focused on the people of wisconsin. i have stand -- i have stood up and taken on the special interests. that is what they brought money and bodies into the state of wisconsin because i did something that has not been done before. i took on the powerful special interests.

i put the power back into the hands of the taxpayers so that every day i will be fighting for you out here the state of wisconsin. >> he did not answer the question. it is imperative the people of the state know why the governor was not here and what he was doing outside of the state raising money. >> i think actions speak louder than words. people have seen me fighting to help the people not the government create jobs. they have seen me take on the special interests. that is why today i spoke with one of the local officials who said, thankfully somebody has given us the power to act at the local level on behalf of the local taxpayers. >> that concludes the question and answer portion of the debate. each will now have an opportunity to make it one-and- a-half minutes closing statement. >> thank you for watching

tonight. i want to make something clear. i have no desire to be the rock star for the far right and center of this nation. i have no desire to be the rock star of the far left. i do have a desire to be rock solid and do everything i can to create jobs in the state of wisconsin. that is what we need right now. we need a governor who will stand up to the special interests. i will do that. scott walker gave billions of dollars in tax cuts to corporations and the wealthiest people in this day. he asked seniors to sacrifice. i said no to my friends. scott talked a lot about unions tonight. i was not their first choice. i am certainly not the first choice of the people on the far right. why is that? because i have said no to my friends and to people who oppose

me politically. that is the test of leadership. it is easy to say yes to people who give the millions of dollars. it is easy to say no to your political opponents. the real test of leadership is whether you can say no to people who are your friends. scott walker has never asked for shared sacrifice. he has asked for others to make sacrifice. as governor i will focus on jobs, healing this state, ending his civil war, and doing everything we can to move the state forward. that is why i ask you for your vote on june 5. thank you very much. >> i want to thank you and the broadcast association. to the panel and the mayor for joining me tonight. earlier this week to stop that a manufacturer in oshkosh. after talking to people working there i met somebody interesting. a guy named chris came up to me

and tell me about how he of voted for my opponent two years ago. he and his parents were voting for me in this election. the reason was simple. he was impressed that somebody finally had the courage to take on the tough issues facing our state to move forward. i always tell when i hear courage. it is amazing that politics is the only profession were your called courageous by keeping your word. what we are doing is moving the state forward. the career jacket does not get from those in politics, it comes from those i meet every day. -- the word encouragement does not come from those in politics but doesn't mean every day. people i have the honor of meeting every day. people who have the courage to go and work hard, not just earning a paycheck, not just put food on the table or clothes on the back of our kids, they work hard every day just like we do

for the same reason. we want our kids to have a better life than we do. we want to grow up in a better home, in a better community, and a better state than the one we inherited. that is why i ask for your vote to move wisconsin forward. >> that concludes this evening's debate. we think the candidates and our panelists. on behalf of wisconsin's television and radio broadcasters, we urge you to vote on june 5. thank you for listening and watching. good night. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> there is an extra day of book tv this holiday weekend on c- span 2. h.w. brands on a different side

of the politician. on "after words," victor cha on north korea. >> it is kind of a ridiculous dialogue. you can tell them you need to improve your human rights situation and their response to you will be -- we have had this conversation at the official level. it will be, you the united states have human rights problems, too. that is not a comparable discussion. >> saturday night at 10:00. also this weekend, marcus luttrell. three days of "book tv" this weekend on c-span 2.

>> congressman west spoke about the value of education and patriotism in his address. in his 20 minute address. >> thank you for your kind words of introduction. to my dear friends, members of the faculty and staff, the board of trustees and representatives, a cannot thank you enough for inviting me to join new on your most important day. it is a privilege to be here because the north would is a school is and -- guess what a few in washington understand. that is of the private sector, which is the engine of the american economy, is only a free

market system, like the one northwood prepares, has the ability to advance the cause of humanity. those of us who spend too much time in washington have a tendency to forget that at the end of the day, all governments can do is transfer wealth from one person to another. it reminds me of a simple joke. the tourist notices two government workers doing something strange in front of a monument. one digs a hole on the other feels it whispered. the tourist walks over and asks them what are they doing. you do not understand, the first one says, normally there are three of us. i dig the hole, and someone else puts in the tree, and the other fellows in the dirt.

but just because the second guy is not here does not mean we should work. if government were in charge of the sahara desert, it would not be too long before it would be out of sand. government takes well for one part of the economy and gives it to another part. perhaps you read the french economist to said, he turned that as a legal plunder based upon misconceived philanthropy and benevolence. that is all that government seems capable of doing. it takes private enterprise to create wealth, to move the ball toward a higher quality of life. that is what we are all about the word on to premiership comes from the french word to undertake. to take a risk. to create an innovate new

solutions to age-old problems that make us better off and the world a better place. part of the free-market is risk. innovators rest -- recognize the means by which they mitigate this risk of renewed when government creates unpredictable risk to, the private sector suffers from the state of uncertainty. what no. would it does is prepare students to be mayor -- northwood does prepare students to be better prepared for the businesses some of you out there are going to start and create two. putting 23 million underemployed or discouraged american workers back to work. you are the next generation and thank you for allowing me to join you here today.

to the parents in the audience, family and friends, congratulations. your sons and daughters are the class of 2012. this class has a lot to be proud of. to the graduates who were about to walk across the stage, you do not need to be told what accomplishment this is your member of those late nights she spent studying. the weekends at the library of some of your friends or perhaps at the beach. working toward a goal to make here today. and tomorrow, you can state, i am a graduate. [applause] but that is not all you have to

be proud of. you also represent the next generation in business leaders for in florida and all across the world. you know it is honored to be a representative from this state. florida is a state unlike any other. did we boast cultural diversity, sand and sun. natural wonders like the everglades and innovation like torrey pines and the florida space coast. today our state, our country, and the world games another great resource as each and everyone of you joined the ranks of great americans and other international students that to this university and state has produced. the pride you feel today should not be fleeting. i would encourage you to hold a close and let it animate your

every action because this day is about more than just entering a rat race. it is about accepting the challenge to do something meaningful with your life. you would not be here if you did not believe there were big things to be had. take some pride you feel today. take it with you tomorrow. take it with you for all the subsequent days. in the career you have earned. the person you have earned the right to be. i believe there is nothing that once you set your sights to achieve, you cannot achieve. my story is simple. 51 years ago, when i was born in atlanta, ga., and not too many people would have believed i would be standing here before you today. my parents believed in the quality of an education because

i gave you the equality of opportunity that america for this and that education opens the doors to economic freedom and to individual liberty. as opposed to dependency and a sense of subjugation. i begin the first black republican member of congress from this state in over 130 years. the chances for me to do that or not my favorite. yet here i am before you, a member of the house of representatives, appointed to the small business committee, and given this privilege to address you here today. [applause] there is an important lesson to be learned in this simple story you see standing before you. it is that the world does a

great disservice to its young people when it tells them they have not earned the right to make a difference. but when a sense the problem should be left to those that made them and you should wait your turn. i tell you, graduates, never your that you need to wakit turn to be an influence. if you ever need a reminder of the ability to do great things right here and right now, i served 22 years in the military. you think about those young man who one year ago stood down the very face of evil in our time. they looked him in the eye and they eliminated him. many of those young men were probably no older than some of you right here before us today. that is a testimony to what you

can achieve because one day you will have the opportunity to do something fantastic for this nation or wherever you reside in a call home sure did which brings me to another point, taking pride in yourself is good. bring proud of your success, taking pride in your school, state, all of your work. but i have to also say this to my fellow graduates, first and foremost, show that you are proud to be an american. with all this country has been true, it would be easy to lose sight of how extraordinary a place it is we call home. it is the mission of your generation to make sure that never happens. whatever difficulties we may face, nothing can take away the

thing that makes this nation different, the enduring american spirit, which we all share, which is the essence of american exceptional example -- exceptionalism. each and everyone of you would grow in a different world. a different one from which you were born into. for more than a decade, young men and women have been at war with the idea that innocent lives are pawns in a plot in our way of life and that freedom is a lost concept and perhaps a lesser people's resolve would have been exhausted a long time ago. yet to the spirit that burns inside our souls will endure because this nation is a nation of victors. it is not a nation of victims. that means we will not see our country turn into some socialist

welfare nanny state that will measure our achievements under some guise of fairness. [applause] in our history, there have been many men who have stood against insurmountable odds. john paul jones, the men of the hundred first, but i want to share with you in battle during the korean war. at some point, the united states and u.n. truce became surrounded. outnumbered and the situation appeared hopeless. but the end was far from nearby. it was said when he was asked, do you plan on surrendering, his reply was we have the enemy

where we want them. we can attack in any direction. the men chose to never stop fighting and that fire saw them through. on december 11 1950, they did what seemed impossible, escaped defeat from the chinese army. think back to the greatest national tragedy to confront united states before 9/11, the bombing of pearl harbor. and think of how surprised japan must have been with the response that the assumptions on which they had intended to attack us on december 7, 1941, had turned out to be wrong. their intention was not just to physically immobilized the american forces, they wanted to break our resistance, to take us out of the game before we started playing. how could we not be demoralized

by such a sudden and destructive attack. but we were not demoralized. , we were mobilized. they knew the kirsten -- they knew the instant the first bomb would arrive it would be the end of that empire. the a pryor said we fear -- the emperor said i fear we have awakened a sleeping giant. the greatest mistake our enemies have ever made is to underestimate our resolve. in these times of global economic uncertainty, you must exude the highest degree of resolve and commitment to free enterprise principles. we see this crisis spreading from portugal to italy to ireland to greece and spain. those are all examples of failed

economic policies. at a time when america is carrying a debt the towards 16 trillion dollars, when our deficit over the past four years have exceeded $1 trillion, at a time when our private sector is groaning under the burden of tax and regulatory measures, at a time when it seems like we're headed toward an economically dupont -- dependent entitlement state, when we hear americans stating that the free-market has failed, we have stymied access of capital to our job creators, i invite you to learn from america's response to pearl harbor. never be disheartened, no matter how unjust the circumstances

seem to be. never be dissuaded from action because she thinks the odds are against you. defying the odds is what defines being an american. you will be an intro part of the economic restoration of our constitutional republic. your education here at northwood will enable you to take this nation, and to move away from failed policies to pro-gross tax and monetary policies. the proud. d. be prou be proud of your success to date. be proud of this great escapes -- great state. for you are members, the class of 2012. in closing, i have one simple admonition to give to you from

an old soldier. some of you may remember the movie saving private ryan. at the end of that movie, tom hanks' character uttered two words -- earn this. you have gone to four years of education. or a master's degree. earn this because today as you sit here there is a young man, a young woman, standing as a watchman on the wall to protect your freedoms to protect your liberties, to protect in this democracy you live-in. earn this. in the words of thomas paine, these are the times which try men's souls.

the patriot will shrink from these duties. but to those who stand, they shot in the love and admiration of all men and women. as the young lady saying today, -- sang today, you live in the land of the free because america shall always be in the home of the brave. may god bless you all. >> sonia sotomayor told new york university graduates for story of growing up in the bronx to becoming a supreme court justice. she gave the address at yankee stadium on may 16 sure yet she is the first hispanic american to serve on the supreme court.

she was nominated by president obama and has served since 2009. this is about 15 minutes. >> this is awesome. [laughter] -- [applause] there are graduates from all 50 states and from around the world. i suspect that having this ceremony at the yankee stadium may not be so [inaudible] or the few misguided of view, like david brooks, who root for the mets.

as you have heard, i grew up in a public housing project in the bronx a few miles away from the old yankee stadium. the house that baby ruth built. for me, this event at the new stadium, is momentous. nothing in my childhood hinted that i would be in a position someday to stand on this field and speak to such a large crowd. as a child, i only saw the stadium on television when i watched baseball games next to my data on the sofa.

it is not hard to understand how delighted i am to be here with you today. in thinking about today, i have experienced many emotions but five capture the essence of my feelings. humility, excitement, challenge, gratitude, engagement. i know this will become your attitude about her futures. first, i have felt humility. i am humbled to receive an honorary degree from nyu. i am grateful that this honor has been bestowed on me during the presidential tenure of an old friend from his days as dean of the new york law school.

and by a distinguished board of trustees led by martin lipton. i am glad john is wearing a yankees cap. my most enduring memory of john is his coming to a formal luncheon at the law school dressed in jeans and sneakers, sporting the yankees had after watching his daughter playing softball. knowing john, i betted is the same cap he is wearing today. i just hope he watched it. [laughter] -- he washed it. [laughter] for many of our parents and grandparents, college was an unattainable dream. it is still a dream for many even in the united states. you are all privileged to have

received the education that and why you offers and i hope you will always treasure that -- nyu offers and i hope you will always treasure that as much as i honor my degree. [applause] i am also deeply humbled to share this honor with father patrick budois, -- dubois and david brooks. men who have helped us understand the world we live in. i am fortunate to share this day with them. i have felt excitement in returning to new york. my new home is lovely and i have been warmly welcomed by my new colleagues and the residents of

my new city. the everytime i crossed the tunnel to return to new york from a visit, my heart size with a joyous. i love this city. -- my heart sighs with joy. i love this city. some of you came to new york for the first time to attend nyu and some of you may never returned. new york is now a permanent part of who you are. stand in the middle of a street and you sense the magnitude of this city. i remember coming to manhattan as a child to visit the empire state building, looking up and being amazed that i could not see the top. walk around manhattan and you will inevitably see tourists

craning their necks to find the tops of buildings and bumping into new yorkers hurrying somewhere. the feeling of business can be overwhelming. but there is a magic in being part of the city once you have lived here. i love having new york with me. i hope he will carry the excitement of your student days in the city, the professors who opened your minds to new experiences, the friends you have made, and the joy of basking in the knowledge of how much you enjoy family have done to earn today's celebrations. i also hope that the city has left you with the emotion of constant challenge it evokes in me. that is the third motion i want to talk about, a challenge.

many complain of the hustle and bustle of new york city. after a graduated from law school, i lived for a couple of years in a suburban area in new jersey and commuted to work as a district attorney in lower manhattan. the weekend came to my senses and moved back to the city. i was walking its streets when a fire engine and police car screeched by with sirens blazing. a man began to house next to me. -- howl next to me. nothing is small in this city. everything is large, big, and noisy, including its problems. yet the city does not merely survive, it thrives. having been a part of the fabric of this city, you will always

carry its energy inside year. the city will challenge you to do big things, to accomplish as much as you can, to work at bettering the world in every way you know how. how do you do that? i do not know. i hope your education has taught you not to be afraid to admit you do not have all the answers. it may be the most important lesson of your schooling. everyone of you have a moment at nyu when a new sought or piece of knowledge excited you. find more of those moments. the key to success is maintaining an ever-present curiosity, openness to, and joy

in learning new things. my dreams were simple as a child. i dreamed about graduating from college. up to that point, none of my family had done that. then i grew bolder and dreamed about becoming a lawyer or perhaps some day a judge. the only kind of judge i knew was a trial judge on perry mason. i did not know what the supreme court was. you cannot aspired to do things you do not know about. for how did i become a supreme court justice? how did steve jobs, who grew up in an era where there were no pcs, create apple? one of the most innovative companies in history of. steve jobs, who recently passed away, was a college dropout was fired from apple.

in a commencement speech at stanford, he talked about three ingredients to his success. >> in his gut, liking what she'd a chose to do, and giving each day as if it were his last. -- living each day as if it were his last. it is an attitude about your future. that will let you find satisfaction in the choices you make and achieve dream she never imagined. for me, a curiosity about the world and people i interacted with and maintaining an excitement about new learning propels me for word in my career. -- for word in my career. -- forward in my career.

i was wandering the halls of my law school when i spied a table full of food and decided to sit in to hear bob, the last speaker. a at the food line, we met and shortly thereafter, he offered me a job. i was interviewing at the state department. but like steve jobs, i went with my cat and took the job of told me would be the greatest responsibility a young lawyer could have, as an assistant district attorney in manhattan. that meeting was a lifelong mentor and chartered a new course in my life. that curiosity, of listening to a speaker i knew nothing about, and a free dinner, started my

career. look, a disappointment and uncertainty are constant companions in life. as happy as all of you are today, i am sure you are a little sad about leaving some of your friends and leaving your familiar and comfortable routine. a little fearful of the unknown challenges life will bring. finding a career in uncertain economic times. and a little anxious about a future brought with problems like war, disease, and crimes. being a little frightened, as i have been, including becoming a supreme court justice, is natural and unavoidable. but being hopeful and remaining open to the joy of a new experience can counterbalance that anxiety and help you meet