for us. we just have to stick to it and be resilient and do not give up. we are doing ok. thank you very much. [applause]

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button-hole and punch them if you like. >> on june second and third on c-span 2 and 3. now the candidates running in the june fifth wisconsin governor's recall election square off in their first debate. governor scott walker debates democrat candidate tom barret in milwaukee. it's hosted by the broadcasters association foundation. the candidates are questioned by local television anchors and the moderator and ceo john labs. the election is a ra match as scott walker defeated tom barret 52-46%. this is just under an hour. >> live from the campus of milwaukee and the studios of

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we've seen challenges especially in healthcare and insurance. we hope sponsorship of this- help you gain a better understanding t how they'll hel support our state. >> please join us and think about the future and then make your voice heard by voting tuesday june fifth. >> the format for this evening's debate will allow for each candidate to respond to questions from a panel of reporters who have one opportunity to ask a direct question of his opponent and then finally for each candidate to make a closing statement. the order of responses has been previously decided by a coin flip. our panelists energy include. bob door news direction for the door county daily news and erin davidson forwre t.v. green bay

and paul for,w d.j. t.v. milwaukee. we'll begin with one and a have minute opening statement first from governor walker. >> thanks john and all of you for tuning in all across the state of wisconsin. two years i ran for governor because wisconsin faced an economic and fiscal crisis. we l lost more than 100 jobs an with be lanced that budget without massive loss and programs like medicaid. actuallied money to medicate. the program that funded badger care. we put more money in but we tried to restructure through long-term reforms in state government and local as well. we thought more about the next generation and did just about the next election.

isn't that what you elect us to do? our reforms are work it's why opponents don't talk about them anymore. that's let property tax go down for 30-years and the state has a budget surplus of more than $154 million and why best of all jobs were created in 2011 and since i was first sworn in more than 30,000 people have gone back to work. we're turning things around and headed in the right direction. together we're moving wisconsin forward. >> you're opening statement? >> thanks for hosting us and all the listeners watching tonight. this is not a rematch or a do over. we can't do over the decision of scott walker to start a political civil war that resulted in his state losing more jobs than any other country in 2011.

a decision that or the apart this state and made it impossible for neighbors to talk to neighbors. relatives to talk to relatives and workers to talk to co-workers because it was too bit another guy. and we can't do over his decision to put his national ambitious as head of the state. as he traveled around the country and became the rock star, the, t to tea party okayty vifss and millionaires that funded him with millions of dollars of contribution. money he's used to distort my record. this isn't a rematch or do over because we can't do over the fact that scott walker's makes has been investigated that looks at the activity of some of his key aids while he was executive and his decision and refusal to release secret e-mails that were on a system in his country

executive office and his failure to tell us who is raising his funds. this is about the future and who will vote and put wisconsin first. i will put wisconsin first. >> thank you. our first question is from bob door for mayor barret. >> good evening gentlemen. the first question is why are we here? 20 months ago on this same stage the two of you debated to see who would be elected for a four year term. what's your view of why we're back here less than have way through that first term? >> well, i think i answered that question in fpart. governor walker made a decision that he would try to divide this state. and he used phrases when he talked to key do force like he was going to drop the bomb and divide and conquer this state. and he has. he's divided state unlike anything we've seen and as a result of that, what we have

seen in this state is we saw hundreds of thousands of people. hundreds of thousands of people in this democracy who decide they wanted a change. they wanted an opportunity to get a governor who would put this state first. a governor who would focus on created jobs in this state and not traveling around this country trying to enhance his national imagine. a governor who would restore trust to the governors office and tend divisions where neighbors can't talk to neighbors and they want a governor who will end this civil war. scott walker started this political civil war. i will end this civil war. and that's something the citizens of this state want, because they understand that the real issue we face is jobs and we have to have a governor who will focus on created jobs in this state. again that is the governor who i will be.

>> governor walker? >> and bob to answer your questions i think it about our reforms. we don't here about it largely because our reforms are working. you look at the last year and a half and we documented more than a billion dollars worth of savings for reforms and that throwed the first time in 12 years property taxes on the medium valued home has gone down. that's good for business owners and particularly people on fixed incomes and working families and others out there. our state has $154 million surplus and we put two consecutive years with money in the rainy fund and wisconsin actually gained jobs. mayor and talk about dollars based on a sample million of 3 and a have employers in this state. this is based on more than 96 of all the employers required by law to submit that information. last year wisconsin gained jobs

and since i took office we've had more than 38 thousand jobs in the state if you look at my record and compare that to the other mayor taxes and fees have gown 43%. sadly it's a poor city in the whole crown try. mill you dmeechlt contrast people want to go forward and move and get past and don't want to rehash the same debate which is what the mayor talks about in the primary. they want to move forward and time candidate to do that. >> should the recall election laws in this state be changed? 30 second as piece. >> scott walker became county executive. something he doesn't want people to remind of. he signed recalls against senator fine gold and sense senator coal not because of criminalist behavior but he disagreed with political decisions made. the decisions he made let the

leading to this recall. >> absolutely the laws should be changed. democrats and republican as like realize spending 16-17 million is a horrible waste of money and after this is all said and done we'll move on and be able to move forward and you will see both not even in the legislature but voters across the state that want to see a change. that's important but today we have a chance to debate the future and i'm going to spend tonight talking about the future. >> erin davidson. >> change in public employee bargaining law last year is one of the reasons we're here tonight. governor walker would you seek the same changes in the same way? and do you plan more collective bargaining jobs and mayor barret if you disagree, some of which you used to your advantageous in the city of milwaukee budgeting

process would you seek to undo those and how would you go about it? >> well erin that is a great question and i get asked that a lot. looking back without a doubt. i think results. people like the results but they wish we'd done it differently. if i had a chance to do it again and gone out last january and made the case across and explained what was happening then. before our reforms school district where is literally spending tens of millions under collective bargaining forced to buy health insurance from essentially one company. i talked to a small business owner to day in a farm just out of cuba city and he talked about working with school districts all across wisconsin. it's money that's gone right back to the classroom. if i told people that's what was at stake i think most taxpayers would say governor, fix that. if i talked about the collective

bargaining system you had abuses in overtime like the places like the city of madison which a bus driver can make this most taxpayers would say you need to fix it. i fixed it and then talked about it. most politicians talk about it but never fix it. we're going to talk about it and fix it. the product is mostly the most important thing but the process very important. it's why i spent the last year working on education reform and we're fining to build off that pace with stakeholders and ultimately create a good product and a good process. >> scott, you started this by saying you're going to drop the bomb and that you're going to go first after the public employees. and that you would use divide and conquer as your strategy to go after the workers. and that you would use a budget bill to tear this state apart. i think of great leaders because

like franklin roosevelt and julia any and what do they do at a time of crisis? they try to bring their people together. you decided to use a budget crisis to try to divide and conquer this state. that's what happened. that's what led to all of this and you succeeded in dividing this state. you said this was the first step. this is about worker's rights and not just public employees but the middle class and where people that work in the middle class have rights. where they have safety rights because i talked to people working in our prisons right now and they have said they've never been more afraid because they're right where is taken away. i'm concerned about those rights and concerned those rights have been taken away and think it's an attack on the middle class.

there's a reason he said he wouldn't veto a right to work bill and that's because he wouldn't. >> our next question is from or for mayor barret. >> i think you both recognize job creation is one of the biggest issues in this race but lately how we count jobs lost or created is equally important and controversial. your working with a short run up to this race voters are now in affect being asked to place bets. my question for you is with so many livelihoods and why should voters bet on you? >> mayor barret? >> let me explain i'm using the numbers that scott walker embraced last year and the numbers used by every state. by the federal government and media. the bureau of labor statistics numbers and those are the ones that show under scott

walker. more jobs than any other state or country in 2011. scott realized he had a problem. because he could not run for this election knowing the people of this state would know we lost the most jobs of any state in the country so he brought his key political appointees together and said we need a different measurement so they brought a measurement out 20 days before this election. 20 days before this election and had t.v. commercials running four hours later saying let's use this set of numbers instead. those numbers have never been ver tied and verified and if we were to believe his numbers the bureau would have had the largest discrepancy ever. it's clear what's going on. he can't defend his record on jobs so they tried out these numbers that are not used for this ordinarily and they put tens of millions of dollars behind them trying to convince

the people of the state that we've created jobs when in fact the state has lost jobs. >> well, paul the answer is simple. the facts are the facts. our reforms are putting more people to work. the monthly numbers that we originally looked at, the mayor is hanging his what on. that's why you have a quarterly review of those and you talked to nearly every reporter in the state and this case almost 160 thousand responds. that's 96%. this showed wisconsin gained 430, 321. those are numbers that are submitted and required to be submitted on may 16th of 2012. that's what the law requires. now i think the reason why there's all the attention about the process is that's the disconnect from the attacks that i've been under for month after month by our opponent. largely because if you look at

the contrast we've seen our employment rate go down since 2008. we've seen 30,000 new jobs created since i first took office in the city of milwaukee unemployment is up 28% and it's now literally one of the poorest cities in the country. we don't want wisconsin to become milwaukee but become more like the good things we've done in the state and that's what we'll do moving forward. >> may i respond? >> yes. but wait, no, you had - >> thought there was time for 30 second rebuttal. >> that's in direct questioning. our next is from bob door. >> most of the last budget debate was focused on the spending side of the ledgeer to bring the budget in balance. we'd like to talk about the other side the revenue side. tax increases and tax cuts and

specifically how you define a tax increase. if a tax credit or a deduction gets removed, is that a tax increase? what about previous spending cuts if they get restore san diego that a tax increase or things like licensing fees? and increased paperwork filing fees? if those get increase san diego that considered a tax increase. i'd like to know your definition and then looking ahead to the next budget if you plan any of those? >> over all, what we've done is lower overall burden in the budget. probably the most important thing we did was putting caps on property taxes it's a difference i had between myself and the mayor. others raise real concerns about that and i want to keep caps in places and the first time in 12 years. property values because of the budget went down. after from 1998 and property taxes in the state went up on average 43%.

bad for homeowners and small business and for homeowners it's bad for senior citizens and working families and others out there. that probably more than any tax out there is the biggest issue. on of the top of that tax incentives for job creation. i've been at forums across the state and they benefit from our taxes and if they're putting more people to work largely driven by the change in attitude because they've shown we're putting more money back in their hands and putting people to work in the state of wisconsin. i think that's not just a definition but definition of what it takes to get the state working again. fundamental difference. i don't believe more government is the answer. i believe getting government out of the way is the answer and not adds more of particularly farmers and manufacturers. i want to move our state forward. >> mayor barret? >> want to respond to a

statement that's completely trying to pit people against the city of mill you key. during the period he was county executive unemployment went up in milwaukee 34%. debt went up 85% during the time he was county executive and he introduced the budget in his last year with a 40 million dollar increase over his first budget. but he doesn't want the people to remember he was tefr county executive of this county. now agree with you that revenues are an issue here and scott has not called the increase that senior's pay because of the steps he took to limit the homestead tax credit it tax increase. i would call that a tax increase that hits seniors in this state. seniors which are on fixed incomes. but it all comes to trust how you define things and measure them because he also said that

we're running a budget surplus right now. you know how that budget surplus came about if it is in fact there? because he used credit card. he used the credit card and pushed over $500 million dollars of debt on our children and grandchildren and they're going to have to pay more than $150 million in interest so he can look good politically. that's not a trustworthy action. >> our next question is from erin david son at first mayor barret. >> recent survey said half of the money raised for the campaign will come out of the state of wisconsin where previous average where is between 10-7%. what's the rational and how's this impact the influence of wisconsin voters. >> that's probably lay question to ask scott. if you look at the most recent report. 93% of my contribution came from individuals.

91% of those came from people who contributed less than $100 and 85% of them came from people who live in the state of wisconsin. now this is something that the people in this state get. there is something wrong when a sitting governor raises 60-70% of his most recent campaign contributions from people that don't live in this state. from a billion their in texas, from the developers in missouri. do you think for one second those people care about what's happening in superior or sturj on bay or sharon? no. they don't. this is all part of this ideological civil war. he wants this state to be the prototype for the tea party nationally. that's why he's such a rock star. they love him. the conservatives love him. the right wing loves him because he's doing exactly what he -

they want him to do. he's not doing what the people in wisconsin want him to do but he's pleasing these billionaires and there's something wrong when you have skating governor that's raised 60-70 per soecht his money from out of state. >> governor walker? >> look where it started. last february, march we saw it from special interest they spent and brought thousands of people in the state of wisconsin. that continued in the supreme court race and tens of millions to take out six republican state senators and we've seen out all throughout the recall process. we wouldn't have to raise or spend a penny, a penny in this election if it weren't for the out of state special interest but there's more money coming in from the democrat government norse association and a front group for all the union money there. you've seen people across the

state and many from across the country saying you know what? he is a governor willing to stand and take on special interest and instead do something that's unique and put the power back in the hands of the hardworking taxpayers and that's why there's so much interest from washington they understand there's a lot of discerning democrats where governors and mayors are look closely saying maybe it's time we took on the special interest and put the power back in the hands of the hard paying taxpayers. that's the difference. more than 76% of all donations come from people giving $50.00 or less. fits here or someone down the way in rockford. they understand that finally someone is willing to sustain and sound and take on special interests. >> next is from paul directed first to john walk - sorry, governor walker. >> three of your former aids

have been charged criminally as a part of an investigation. one of them has pled guilty on public time. 12 people have been granted immunity. you have said you're not a target but what if any responsibility do you bear are for activity that's took place in our office and on your watch as county executive and mr. mayor you've said repeatedly the governor needs to come clean about what he knows implying that he's holding information or actually done something wrong. do you have any information to support that implication and if not is it responsible to suggest as much? >> sure. paul, first off let me set the stage here. i've had a high level of integrity all the way since i earned the rank of eagle scout and shown that in my time as state assembly and now as the governor of the state of

wisconsin. i will have it long after this position or this whole process is completed. it's important to look at the facts and they clearly show that anytime the was brought to our attention someone violated policy with taxpayers money we took swift action. the other interesting thing i'd like to think for a lot of people tuning in is this investigation started because my office asked for it nearly two years ago. we had concerned things involved with a someone involved in the veteran's program and that's why we did. we have not been the target of this. there's nothing new here. the reason i think the mayor and opponents want to spend time is distract attention because they're desperate. the things this election was supposedly about. the reforms are things they don't talk about anymore because their work.

property taxes down. more jobs. budget surplus. they don't want to talk about any of that. where unemployment is up 20% where even this last week we thought violent crime has gone up. that's the reason they're focusing on this. >> scott walker is the only governor that has a criminal defense money. he stayed over 100,000 dollars in criminal defense fees to a lawyer that specializes in prosecution. you're correct. his key aids have been charged. and it involved in net worth in his office in his executive office 25 feet from the distance where we are where there is a secret computer system that did fund raising and campaigning and when he found out he ordered investigation? no. he sent one e-mail and said we can't afford to have any more stories.

his concerns were about public relationships and not about criminal investigations. i've asked for two things. i've asked for him to clear the record and to show us the e-mails he sent to that criminal enterprise that secret computer system in this office. that would clear up. i didn't make allegations he did anything wrong i just want to clear the air. he tells us who is paying his criminal defense. the people in the state have a right to know who is paying his criminal defense. that doesn't raise charges against him but we have a right to know and that's what i've asked. >> our next question is from bob directed first at mayor barret. >> last year a large contingent of senate democrats left the state to prevent that body from voting and getting quorum to vote on the budget bill. now that precedent has been set,

it could happen from lawmakers from either party and my question is first of all what's your view of the practice and secondly, if elected governor how would you deal with it if it happens or help prevent it if you don't twient happen? >> this goes to leadership and how you deal with people. scott has okay knowledged he did not deal with the introduction of this bill in a way that was probably the best. that's maybe the understatement of the year. my view has been that you seek to work with people. that you seek to explain to them what's going on so. that you don't face these huge civil wars and he said that was his plan to divide and conquer. that's not how you get things done. i balanced eight budgets as the mayor of this city and done so by working with people and it doesn't mean you're always going to agree or always have pleasant

conversations you might have sharp exchanges but the job is to set the tone for the organization whether how people act in their office in terms of criminal activity or how you act with your legislature and with his decision was was to drop the bomb. that's his phrase not mine to drop the bomb and he was up set people acted in a criminal way. of course i don't want to see that even the people that left don't want to see that repeated and i think tragically one of the things we've learned is the hard way that you o have to have an executive willing to work with people and not try to paint people in a corner by make themselves look big. >> governor walker? >> i recently met a woman that said i'm a democrat and waited for a second to see what was going to come out next, and she said i support you. i said you haven't heard me talk

yet. she said it not what you say but what you do. i've been looking for someone to take on tough issues. i don't agree with every step you've taken but i appreciate someone has ultimately been able to take on tough issues and fiscal crisis in this state. it's time for us to move forward. we talked about our job session beginning in this last legislative session. nearly everyone of those was a passd with by part son support. over 96% of the pills were republicans and democrats voted for. we can build off that but you don't do that if you replay the tough year and a half the. mayor talked about through the primary he wants to go back and completely restore collective bargaining in the primary he said he was going to get it in the ring and fight and fight and fight and if something didn't go

his way he was going to take them out. that doesn't sound like somebody ready to move the state forward. we're ready to move on and move forward. we don't want to replay the battles we think it's time to get the state working again and move forward. >> next question is from davidson. >> mining. earlier this year an association cancelled plans. mining wisconsin will continue to be atom topic of concern. what can we learn from our neighbor and how we can gain job opportunities available through the mining industry. >> this a good example of working together. we work with private sector unions a number of whom were passionate not only about mining

but on restoring the raids on the transportation system and more in power and energy. they were active in sporting legislative to be active in that. i chris cross the stated slow kateing for that. that mine would have again rate 2300 jobs. i spent time here in milwaukee and clinton. and whether it's with the places all cross the state. we are going to add slow kate for that saladly this is what happens with recall politics. over overwhelming support. senate said you can't give the governor a victory. i believe we get past june fifth we can put together a process not only governors and senate can pass moving forward and our private sector you nones are going to be key for that.

>> this is an excellent example when you have a governor more interested in traveling and giving fund raising speeches than working on key legislation. this is venture capitol bill too. scott walker says key economic initiatives were passed january warmth no, they weren't. these were his two key economic development initiatives and neither one passed. they didn't pass because you had a governor who is not interested in taking off his jacket and rolling up his sleeves and working with people. i tell you what a good executive would have done on the mining bill. a good executive would have brought in the native americans. environmentalists and the local government and the company and say if there is a need for this line, what can we do to make this work. he never ever did that. not once. the venture capitol is an even

better example. that one he can't blame the democrats on it was the senate republicans that disagreed. can't blame the democrats for that and he never brought them in. he never did the hard work an executive has to do because he was having too much fun traveling around the country. we have to have a governor who is going to be here and focus on creating jobs in this state are they're than advancing their career nationally. >> our next question is from paul. directed first to mayor barret. >> mayor barret? in 2006 the vote was to effectively ban gay marriage but there seems to be opinions shifting the president came out recently in support of gay marriage and the naacp declared marriage a quality - civil right and national pole out this week

done buy a bc news showed that 53% of americans favor legalization of gay marriage. i'm curious as to whether or not your opinions have evolved or changed at all since that vote on this issue and for instance if a measure legalizing civil unions were to emerge how you might respond to that is a governor? >> i believe in marriage equality and it's an issue where opinions have evolved and it's interesting. because for younger people in particular i think that they understand the need to respect relationships. and i do respect them. but i think the issue here goes beyond that because i think there's other issues important to this state where there is disagreement between scott walker with me and one of them has to do with equal pay for equal work and we have a sharp disagreement because there's a federal law.

the lilly led better law assuring women will not be paid less than men for the same work. i know there's similar legislation passed at the state level. someone that lives in iowa county, doesn't have to take their case to a fed weral court. scott walker and his allies repealed that law to give a state court remedy so women and veterans paid less than they were worth they could redress in our state courts. those are issues important to me. treating people with dignity and making sure this state respects all people. >> governor walker? >> sure. paul, good question. i took an oath in office to uphold the constitution and it clearly defiance marriage as between one man and one woman

and that's what i support. the facts are it's against the law today and will continue to be every day in my office in the state of wisconsin to discriminate against a women based on employment or promotion or itself against the women or discriminate based on gender. that's the law today and we'll continue to enforce that and media outlet after media outlet has point out theed mayorest tacks are plain false. it was the law before 2009 and every day i'm in office i'll continue to enforce that law to ensure that not just women in general but not only my own kids but my particularly my nieces. they are young but i want to make sure when they enter the workforce that law is in tact and i'll continue to take that fight as long as i'm governor. >> next question from bob. directed first to governor walker? >> what's the state education

system state? uw system. technical colleges? k-12. we - are we in better condition than 12 years ago. does it help for job development? >> i think it is. i have two sons that go to public high school from down where we're standing and for them and every other kid i want to make sure every other kid no matter where they come from a state have access to education. one of the positive things about reform is not just savings but benefits provided to traditional things across the state. schools all across wisconsin had to bye their health insurance from one company. tens of millions of dollars on that health insurance plan instead of putting that money in the classroom. that's changed because of our reforms. we had an example long before i was governor here.

a young woman was named an outstanding teacher of the year. exactly the one you would want across the state. couple of weeks after that she found out she was being laid off because of cuts in the past. the reality was over the old system of collective bargaining the last one hired it was first one fired and the mayor and his a lies want to restore that system to keep in place seniority. i want merit to drive hiring and we should pay based on performing. we can put the best and bright nest the class rooms. even the statewide teachers unit said this is why they want to hide that information from the public show that responses are more positive this year than anytime over the past ten years. >> i can't think of an organization you would take that much money out of the state of wisconsin that's going to be better off. that's what scott walker did. 1.6 billion out of the state.

technical schools took a 30% cut. we have to invest in our kids. i have four kids as well. i want my kids to be able to get an education in this state and not come out of college in buckets of debt. that's what i want. but to not invest in education is penny-wise and pound foolish. look at min so at the much higher per capita kin come and one more residents have graduated from college or technical school and what did walker try to do? divide and conquer. trying to pit university of wisconsin madison against orb cash. you name it. and what would have been the result of that it? would have driven up to tuitio costs and more students would have come from out of state.

i want our flagship universities be a place where our students can attend and not the place where dollars are the main goal so we can get students from out of state. >> our next question is from erin davidson directed first at mayor barret. >> well over a million people in wisconsin rely on some sort of medical assistance paid for by the state. while they offer support for people of different ranges they are costly. how can the state handle this without provide people that otherwise wouldn't have healthcare? >> if people have jobs we want to make sure they have healthcare. we don't want people be forced to quit their jobs because they don't have healthcare or mothers if your sick with a sick 8 month old and you don't have a primary

care physician i want you to go to the emergency room, if you love your baby, but that's the most inefficient way to deliver healthcare. it seems like an ironic tradition but as a member of congress i worked on a by partisan basis. badger carcare. i think we have to continue to invest in that. there's people that lost their baerj care under scott's budget. a senior program allowed seniors to get prescription drugs and that was a rare bipartisan and it was given back so seen yours would not lose their benefits. he decided to take action family care. to me that went to trust to. have the governor say he wants to restore family care but then

we find out he said it because the federal government had threatened the state. that is a problem. >> governor walker? >> well first off you make an investment. we put 1.2 million dollars more into billion into medicaid. i invested more money into medicaid a program that supported badger care than any through there. illinois failed make the tough decisions we made and now they're cutting $2.7 billion from medicaid. weed more money than just about any government in the country but also added reforms to provide a safety net for family care to continue to people who have had physical and developmental disabilities part of medicare and we provide basic safety care under badger care. you can't do that without putting in reforms that say same million things like if you're on badger care and your employer

takes health insurance we're going to ask you to take that instead of relying on the taxpayers. those are the sorts of things that ensure that medicaid and the promises funded are there for generations to come. we really don't know other than what we heard from the mayor what he's going to do because it's been 44 days since he was first asked saying this is about undoing the last year and a have? what would you do? well he doesn't have a plan. few talking points is not a plan. we have a plan and we have invested money in medicaid and will in the future. >> we have time for one last question from paul. directed first to the governor? >> bit of an understatement but over the last year and a have there's been ideological warfare to say the list. hard democrats on the right and hard republicans on the right and hard democrats on the left. right. many say the state is

polarized at this point. our question is what would you do to bring unity back to the state of wisconsin? what can you do? >> one of the biggest things moving on past the june fifth election. we have a real choice and i think voters need to understand we get past june fifth we can focus on jobs and education and where in the past we work together and broad consensus around the state we can move this state forward. going back and rehashing the same debate as my opponent was to do is not the way to move forward. i want to build off a process we can change. we talked about improving the process and we started out last march with tony ablers that ideological wouldn't be a level. we have shared personal interest. i have two kids in public school and the governor because of his personal overall interest. we worked with involvement for elementary kids and

effectiveness and our staff put together one of the most comprehensive stake-holders with accountability. there's much more work to be done together with that and think that process gives us a great foundation on education or sort meant of others where we can bring that together in the future. the public doesn't have to say he's talking about it. we've done for it almost a year. it is working and hasn't been controversial. we have built consensus us is and can do that with jobs and budgets and other things in the future. >> the first thing you have to do is establish trust and you don't establish trust where 20 days before an election you trot out a whole new set of employment numbers and people can see through that you don't do that when you know you have a deficit instead of dealing with that you take out the credit card and say i want to make myself look good politically so our kids will pay $156 million

more in interest. that doesn't establish trust. i was elected in 2004 as mayor and it was a deeply divided election. there were bad feelings afterwards and i reached out to people that did not support me. i did not try to punish my political enemies. if you're mayor or governor you have to be the executive for the entire jurisdiction. scott went with 52% and you would have thought he won it with 92% and the first step he took was punish his enemies. that's easy to do. but it doesn't bring people together. the job of an executive is to try to work to get things done and it can't be, it's my waiter highway. it can't be an idealing call litmus test. i want to work with people and my style is never that i make myself look big by making

someone else look small but i try to push people in a corner politically, that's the kind of executive we need. >> now each candidate can ask one question of the other and i have asked you to keep your response because of time to 45 seconds. governor walker you may question mayor barret first and have an opportunity to response. >> more time to ask me question. i'll skip it. i think the voters don't want to hear us pickerring but answer questions. with that i'll defer. >> well then i'll take even more time. scott you probably think i'm going to ask you a question about the john doe investigation and why you won't tell the people of the state why or who is paying your legal deal. that is a question that's been asked and i think public wants answers to that. i'm equally concerned. there's recently an vaift report

talking about your schedule and travel and days and days filled personal time and this investigative find was that you were found out of state giving fund raising events and you refuse to tell the public what your schedule has been pertaining to political events outside the state. prior to this election, will you disclose to the people of this state you're out of state travel for fund raising and political purpose purposes? >> i think it's real simple. to the people for example in green bay who have seen me in their community to the people i saw in grant county and southwest wisconsin and others to the people i just saw the other day in orb cash and chip a with a falls i'm focused on the people of wisconsin.

what i've done is taken to powerful special interests. that's why they poured money in since last year and brought money and bossed into the state of wisconsin. i did something that hasn't been done before i took on special interests of the state and local level. when in the past it dictated what they were going to do. i put the money back in the hands of the taxpayers and every day will fight to do that here in wisconsin. >> again, he didn't answer the question. i think it's imperative people know why they're governor was not here and what he was doing outside of the state raising money. i think we have his answer. >> again, i would say for the 30 seconds back. people have seen me. people have seen me all across the state fight together help. to put power back in the hands of the taxpayers and why i talked to one local official that said finally thankfully

someone has given us power to act on behalf of of lower tax levels. >> that concludes the question and answer portion of our debate. each candidate can make a one and a have minute closing statement. mayor barret? >> thank you all for watching tonight. i want to make something clear. i have no desire to be the rock star for the far right in this nation. and i have no desire to be the rock star of the far left in this nation. what do have a desire is to be rock solid and do everything i can to create jobs in the state of wisconsin. because that's what we need right now. and we need a governor who will stand up to the special interests and i will do that. scott walker gave billions of dollars in tax cuts to corporations in the welliest people in this state and he asks seniors to sacrifice? i've said no to my friend.

in fact scotts talked a lot about the union tonight. the large public unions. let's face it, i wasn't their first choice and i'm not the first choice of the people on the far right. why is that? i've said no to my friends and to people who appose me politically. that's the test of leadership. it's easy to say yes to people who give you millions of dollars. it's easy to say no to your political opponents. the real test of leadership is whether you can say no to people who are your friends. scott walker has never asked for shared sacrifice. he's asked for others to make sacrifice. as governor i'll focus on jobs. healing this state and ending his civil war and doing everything we can to move this state forward. that's why i ask you for your vote on june fifth. thank you very much. >> governor walker? >> i want to thank you and the

broadcaster association and to the panel and the mayor for joining me here tonight and particularly to all of you across the state of wisconsin. earlier this week i stopped at manufacture and after talking to people working there in a factory i met somebody particularly interesting. guy by the name of chris told me the story of how he voted for my opponent and now he and his parent that's were raised democrats were actually voting for me in this election he was impressed someone had the courage to take on tough issues and help move the state forward. i often chuckle when i hear courage because it's amazing politics is the only profession that you're somehow could courageous by keeping your word. we're moving state forward and the courage i don't get from politics but from the people i meet every day. moms and dads and all of us that work hard in schools and

factories and clinics. people they've the honor of the meeting just about every day. people who are moms and dads like we are and go the work place not just to earn a paycheck or put cloths on the back of our kids but they work hard each and every day like me and my wife do the for the same reason. we want our kids to grow up in a better home, better community and most importantly in the better state than the ones we inherited that's why i ask your vote on june fifth to move wisconsin forward. >> that concludes this evening's debate. we thank the contenders and our panelist and on behalf of o wisconsin's radio broadcasters we urge you to vote on june fifth. thank you for listening and watching. goodnight.