want politicians to act on tough decisions. i have heard for years from democrats and republicans that politicians are getting off and not taking on the tough issues. that is exactly what we did. we do not hear a lot about that anymore. our reforms are working. we have documented more than $1 billion worth of savings for taxpayers. we have some nerve -- seen a budget surplus. in spite of what my opponent has talked about, the federal government confirmed and adjusted upwards the numbers we documented in terms of jobs created in 2011. we created more than 30,000 new jobs since we have taken office. those are important factors and a satellite to talk about tonight because i think this is what the recall election is about.

>> i think it is the feature at state that is at stake. scott has troubled run this country becoming the rock star to the far right, raising millions of dollars. those people have an agenda that is not wisconsin's. it is not about people and in milwaukee or green bay. it is about the tea party movement. and what he can do to make this the tea party capital of this country. i want us to get back to wisconsin values. i do not think the reforms are working. you ask a 75-year-old woman on a fixed income. that was cut. those reforms are not working for her. neither for the middle class. families are struggling to get their kids through college. we see rising tuition costs. and look at our schools. we have the largest average class size since 1995. those reforms are not working. they are working for the wealthiest people but not the

middle-class. >> we can continue on with the discussion that that is all right. >> we will work through the areas both of you have laid out tonight but i do want to go back to the beginning of all this. one of the things he often same year in your public speeches is you refer to him at the divide and conquer candidate. i want to go back to that conversation. most of us are now familiar with the video taped conversation where he spoke with a private donor and he used the expression will could be done -- you use the expression divide and conquer when asked what could be done about unions. >> i was talking about the fact that someone is to stand up and take on the powerful special interests. i have seen it all across the state. a handful a special interest dictated what would happen. instead, we drew a line and said we are going to put the

power back into the hands of the taxpayers. the mayor said repeatedly throughout the primary he wants to go back to restore collective bargaining. that means undoing $1 billion worth of savings, high property taxes on working families and seniors out there. the first time in a dozen years the property tax has gone down. >> when you use those words, what do you mean? >> the special interests. it is about having someone willing to stand up with a hard-working taxpayers in the state. for years -- school is a good example. they had to buy their health insurance from one company that drove up the cost of health insurance. we changed that and now they are sitting tens of millions of dollars across the state. the mayor was to go back to that system. what do you have any regrets using that -- those words?

>> it was a year and a half ago. i do not even remember using those words. but i did not have vinaigrettes -- any regrets for standing up for hard-working taxpayers. they knew we drew the line in the stand and we stood on the side of the tax payer. >> he says he really did not talk that much about collective bargaining anymore. you talk about jobs but not so much about collective bargaining because he argues it worked. >> of what to address your initial question. >> i want to address your initial question. how to make this a right to work state? your response was the first step is we will go after the public unions and use dividing caulker.

-- and conquer. and use the budget adjustment three things came out of that. it was clear never going to pit people against each other. and he did intend to divide and conquer. because that is the way you operate. you wanted to use the crisis to do that. when i think of our country a great leaders like franklin roosevelt and the depression and era, he tried to bring the country together during crisis. and he wanted to use a crisis to divide and conquer our state. it was not the first time you have made a statement like that. the city were going to drop the drop the bomb. and you talk to the public, everybody is nice to me get along with each other. >> i said i am willing to take on the power of special

interest. he selectively took pieces of that conversation. i said we have to take on collective bargaining. there is no way you can balance the budget without raising taxes, without massive layoffs, without cuts in things like medicare. you cannot do all those things unless to make long-term structural reforms. the state used to save millions of dollars in milwaukee. could not have been done before had not been for reforms. i do not mind this exchange. i believe the power should be in the heart -- hands of the hard-working taxpayers. hands of the taxpayer. >> i did not view the middle class as special interest. that is the issue here. going back to the conversation

with the woman who owns a convert -- she is a billionaire. income taxes. she makes a $500,000 contribution to you. -- the largest contribution ever in the state history. things are working for her. i am saying it is not working for the middle class. >> that is a good example. you bring that up as if we had something to do with that. that was 2010. i want to lower taxes. that is exactly what we did. middle-class taxpayers for years have disproportionately pay for the expansion of government. i reduced the taxpayer in this state. that is why unemployment has gone down. that is why in contrast in milwaukee, property taxes have gone up 25% while the mayor has

been in place. that is why unemployment has gone up by more than 26%. there is a fundamental difference. the middle class place for the expansion of government. that is not moving forward. we are standing up for them to read take a couple of seconds to final question. >> people forget he ever represented milwaukee but for eight years, you were the county executive and under your leadership, we saw 34% increase in unemployment. we saw you increase property taxes, $40 million. and borrowing went up 85%. now at the state, you are doing the same thing. you'll are pushing that on the credit card and kicking it down the road. >> which -- which collective

bargaining provisions would be restored and would you expand this uncover police officers and firefighters? >> i would restore the right to collective lead bargain and to organize. those are fundamental rights. this is where there is a disagreement. the discussion over payment towards health care and pension, those employees agreed to that. they agreed to that but scott would not accept that agreement because it was not about that. it was about going after your political enemies and permanently ending their ability to be involved in this process. my view -- i was not the candidate for the public unions he is targeting about. i parted with them. the difference is i will allow them to be at the table. i will not let them set the table.

he does not want to have a conversation with them. >> if it is one of the fundamental differences. you said throughout the primary, you want to restore collective bargaining. that is the trade-off. they have been involved in since last february. i believe fundamentally the only way milwaukee got the savings -- you were only able to get savings because of our reforms. this is someone that is just about fairness. when you have hard-working taxpayers across the state paying 25% or more for their health insurance and you have -- they do not view this as out of whack when you say you have to get power back to the local level.

>> i think the response can be fairly brief here. he raised the issue of whether or not right to work legislation is coming next for wisconsin. he said you had no intention of pushing back and do not think there is support for that. but when people ask you with the veto a right to work piece of legislation that came to your desk, what is your response? >> i was said -- i said it is not going to get there. the reason i said that is because the bottom line is i saw what happened the last year and a half. i do not want to repeat that same debate. i think most people in the state wants to move on and move forward. the difference between myself and the mayor, the mayor said the only thing that will call a special session is on collective bargaining, restoring that to the unions. i said that will play the same debate all over again. i will move on. the mayor does not want to.

>> of love to answer this question. here is how it works. he has traveled all over the country making speeches and raising millions of dollars. one of the 10 commandments of the far right is you have to be against unions. you have to be in favor a right to work. he would have a fall from grace with the far right if he said he was going to veto that. so he cannot. he cannot say it. then he would know lockerbie the poster boy -- then he would no longer be the poster boy of the tea party. that is why he cannot answer the question. >> the private sector unions have been my partner over the last year and a half in economic development. i made investments in structure that put more union workers back to work. i have tried to do it when it comes to binding legislation. >> if that bill hits his desk,

he would sign it. that is what mitch daniels said. it would never hit his desk in indiana. but he made indian a right to work state. mark my words, he will sign it. >> let's talk more about jobs. mayor, you said after your primary victory that this would be a referendum on the governor's job as a record. a fair amount changed over the last couple of weeks in terms of other numbers being presented. do you think this conversation has changed? is this still a referendum or a different issue? >> i think trust comes into play. conversation. it started the uprising in madison. scott never said he would go after public employees. trust was an issue recently with the john doe investigation. trust is certainly an issue. i think it will continue to be an issue.

let me talk about this. there are no tom barrett numbers. i use the same numbers, labor statistics. he loved the number last year when they made him look good. then the numbers came out that under scott walker, was caught a lot more jobs than any other state in the country. so the context people and says we have to come up with a different set of numbers. >> you're saying people intentionally misled us? >> i am saying he came up with a new set of numbers based on numbers used but not commonly used. labor statistics numbers are the good housing numbers. he realizes he has a political problem. this is where you have the common-sense test. 20 days before an election, they bring up these numbers.

four hours later, there are commercials supporting the numbers. >> used and by the numbers that claim was often lost jobs in -- -- use stand by the numbers that claim wisconsin lost jobs. >> i will go a step farther. let's use this new numbers. his new numbers would have wisconsin dead last in the midwest. he wants to brag about these numbers that have as the left in the midwest. those are scott walker numbers. it is not a common practice to present numbers early. he is sticking by this argument that we have not been performing. that is ignoring what the law requires. >> in the monthly numbers and quarterly estimates. what happened here was a

monthly sample done 3 and 1/2% of all the employers. that is a sample from each month. and that the comparison, the numbers here that the wisconsin are required to have been submitted by may 16 of this year. this survey almost 160,000 employers from across the state. every economist acknowledges is the best measure of jobs in the state. yesterday the u.s. bureau of labor statistics, the mayor -- what the mayor talked about, yesterday they sent an e-mail to the state department of workforce development saying they have reviewed and verify the numbers. instead of being 23,000, it was 23,000, 608. the e-mail said they verify the numbers. >> what did they say today?

did not say those of the final numbers. that is what they said today. >> the state verify the they verify the numbers. i realize this undermines the whole focal point of your ads but facts are facts. wisconsin gained jobs in 2012 and 2011. there have been more than 30,000 new jobs. the unemployment rate is 6.7%. it is over 10% in milwaukee. because of your policies raising taxes 43% and your policies that your home town paper pointed out -- you have a risk averse and did not have a plan for economic development. we have a plan that is working and moving the state forward.

that is the choice people have to make. >> using your numbers, we're dead last in the midwest. if that is what you're proud of -- they are dead last. >> i am glad to see that the mayor is excepting those are the numbers. that is what they are. >> are you disappointed where you are? >> when jim boyle was governor three years before i took office, lost more than 100,000 jobs. unemployment was over 9%. the unemployment rate is down and we have gained more than 30,000 jobs. if people say they're disappointed, the last thing they want is a mere -- a mere where unemployment is going up. >> this has nothing to do with the city. >>my answer for the past year has been to put together a plan to invest $100 million in the

most impoverished quarters of the city versus year plan which is to spend $100 million on the trolley that goes barely 2 miles. one plan was as bad or, the other moves us forward. >> mayor, what would you do differently if you were governor and terms of economic development? can you name something specific? >> you have to tied job creation and tax credits together. when governor walker came in, the first thing he did was passed legislation -- $2.3 billion. it benefited corporations and people who are wealthy. the middle class, you are on your own. but it benefited corporations and primarily wealthy people. then he said we have a budget crisis and we have to cut education $1.6 billion. the largest cut the state has ever seen in education. this city got the largest cut

it ever received from state government. i would not have had those priorities. i would not have started out by having an untested tax system that did not create the jobs. going back to what we just talked about, he -- if you want to use his numbers, the worst economic performance in the midwest. notou're saying they're time tax incentives now to jobs that are created? >>price to book come to me all the time they want developers and looking for financial assistance. i have two questions -- how many jobs it creating and are these family supporting jobs? then we will look away to work with you. but he never asked that question. this is why you have the situation were corp. that cannot pay any taxes love the guy. they love him. but what about the struggling small-business people and in this state that are paying taxes?

they do not see this. >> the very first thing we did was repealed the state's tax. the biggest benefit trees of that are small business owners and family farmers. that is the very first thing i signed into law. that was fundamentally about helping small business owners. i traveled the state of visiting small and mid-size employers and manufacturing. our budget was the manufacturing and agricultural tax credit. during the primary, you were talking about repealing that. en>> that could mean certain wealthy individuals would pay no state income tax whatsoever. >> it is not about individuals. it is specifically tied into manufacturing and agriculture based industries. i was a company yesterday and had been at the all over the state.

if you are a manufacturer of a small business, one of the biggest expenses you have as investments in capital. if we're going to bring jobs back from places like india, you have to have the capacity to do that. for the past year and a half, i had been out on the rose talking to manufacturers and small business owners and farmers about what they need to put more people back to work. did like the changes we made two years ago -- they like the changes we made two years ago. today, 94% believe we are headed in the right direction. the number one day -- the number one concern they have is that we continue to move forward because they know the policies the mayor hasn't acted in milwaukee have been-.

>> i will give a chance to respond. >> id is clear that people who make a lot of money do very well -- it is clear that people who make a lot of money do very well the scott walker. we have to be concerned about people who are middle class and what to be middle-class jury the strength of this country has always been a middle-class people can support their families and where their kids can go to college. the actions he has taken has made it more expensive for kids to go to college. that is a fact. you have class sizes that are larger. if we are not going to be investing in the future of the state, we are making a huge mistake. i disagree with the notion that we had to have the largest cut ever in state history. >> we are sliding into a different conversation. about cuts in education in wisconsin. there is an argument that goes something like this -- for a state to be prosperous, they really do need highly skilled workers.

people who go to technical colleges. people who have more college degrees. that is necessary for a robust economy. this is shortsighted to making those cuts? you know you have those needs to>> you looked at the school districts all across the state. schools. the school district benefited from our reform. yes school district that balance their budgets and hired more teachers and the were classroom sizes. what we did was not as balancing a budget but allowing us to make decisions at the school district level about hiring based on merit, payne based on-- paying based on performance. for eight years, i was a local official.

i saw the difference. the tools were not given. there were no reforms put in place to allstate that -- offset that. the reason we were able to fare better than those states and why we have done a survey, this is the best reaction in that survey in the past 10 years. the mayor wants to go to a system under collective bargaining where they could not make those changes and or handcuffed in terms of what they had to do. of the best teachers were the first one laid-off because they were not given reforms in the future. milwaukee, kenosha, the handful of districts will see the same benefits other school districts have seen.

>> 7% of school districts have teachers. that means larger class sizes. larger class is. any parent in this audience is not thrilled about the fact that their kid will be in a larger class. the new look at the technical schools. state. he cut it 30%. skills. then you look at the university. $315 million cut. to top it off, he goes back to the dividing crocker strategy and tries to pick madison against other campuses which would result in higher tuition and more kids from of the state getting into the school. >> this is a budget question. this essentially is the decision you have to make.

if you have a $3.6 billion deficit, you will have to make hard decisions. one might be education. you have to make hard decisions. where would you have looked for that money? >> everywhere. this is the difference between our style. he picked his political opponents and when by we do went after them one by one. no notion of shared sacrifice. it was these people are against me, i'm going after them. we did have a crisis. i will go back to those great leaders in a time of crisis. that is when you bring people together. sacrifice. we did you say we have to have shared sacrifice. i will ask the local garment and school district to do something. i will also not give cuts to corporations.

that are not even tied to creating jobs. >> would this have been less pain for for schools if you said i will not be tax incentives now for business? we're broke as the state. apparently there was enough money to give tax -- incentives. >> we said we have an economic and fiscal crisis. i went across the state for about a year and a half and i heard that you need to fix the economic and fiscal crisis. everything we did was tied in to help create more jobs. the other parts were in terms of balancing the budget. we did. unlike the state in the past. we gave those schools the reforms. when the mayor talked about the difference is out there in terms of some schools that have not done well. it is literally a handful that did not take advantage of our reforms which proves why they were so desperately needed in the first place. you want to put more money in the classroom, use our reforms.

district have done that have faired well. today is the 50th day since the mayor was asked in a primary what his plan was. i think the mayor has a moral obligation to tell people what exactly would he have done differently. we have not heard that and i think we will not. all we can guess is he will do what he did in milwaukee. >> as mayor of the city, balanced budget eight years in a row. i have public safety as my party. we were able to accomplish that. the taxes were very comparable to those in the county. -- lead. i am a leader. i take responsibility for what i do. he would not do that. you would think he had nothing to do with it.

$1 billion higher in spending. this budget, he spent that much more than the last budget. that sounds like an increase in spending to me. >> so everybody is clear, the mayor does not have a plan and all he has is attacking me. that is where you just heard loud and clear. the mayor did not answer the question. >> i would not have started by giving a $2.3 billion cut to corporations and cuts that would benefit the wealthiest people in the state at the time of an economic crisis. i would the brought people together a round table and said to the schools, you will be part of this. i would say the public employers, let's go back to the taxpayers. they know i am not a pushover. the differences i respect them

and their ability to be at the table. >> $3.6 billion budget deficit. in this budget we are talking about. about 200 million out of a $3.6 billion budget deficit were tax incentives connected to jobs from the biggest portions of which were eliminating the state tax and health savings accounts which is beneficial to small businesses and family farmers. you can talk about what will be 10 years down the road but that does not allow you to balance the budget. there is no plan when it comes to budget or economic development. i am the only one with the plan. doe investigation. you have been pushing answers for questions you say people of the state have. let's spend a few minutes on this. what have you seen -- what are you saying?

he is a negation in criminal criminal behavior? >> this is all about trust. today another one of his key personnel was granted immunity. the 13th person. she was granted immunity because she refused to answer questions on the grants -- grounds that they may incriminate her. others attend to his office have been charged with crimes and also runs a secret illegal computer system that was 25 feet from your office. i have asked you some easy questions. release the e-mails. release the e-mails you have that are tied to this secret illegal computer system. i have asked you to tell us who is paying your criminal defense. you are the only governor in

this country that has a criminal defense line and you owe it to the people of this state to tell them who is paying a year criminal defense fees. >> the mayor does not have a plan on everything else. i will answer this question. f. -- as we have talked about many times before, my office when i was county executive asked for this investigation because at the time we were not able to get information from the volunteers of all with the veterans' organization. we asked the d.a. to help out and they continued to be just as frustrated. that is what this process begins with. i said time again i am not a target of this. we have been in a process to help with that. mayor, you are a lawyer. i have taken an oath of office to uphold the constitution and

the lost their within and abide by the rules. the rules the district attorney asked to be involved as -- with is to go forward and, when they ask us to comment. but i think the record is clear. when the time was told to us in our office that someone violated our strict policy against using public resources for political purposes, i took action. we took swift action. the a week later, the couple of days later. -- not a week later, not a couple of days later. by the end of that day, that person was blogger working there. -- no longer working there. the reason the mayor was to talk about this is because he is not winning on jobs, not winning on the budget, not winning on the reforms and was to keep coming back desperately hoping that somehow something will click.

for it. -- there is no basis for it. >> i am raising this issue because it goes right to your trust. >>you have something you can reveal. the city of milwaukee is withholding for data from the police department that the mill -- milwaukee journal sent out. even the said last year in the primary campaign that violent crime have gone down in the city, the journal sentinel found out that was not the case. it is actually gone up. they have an open records request for hundreds of more cases. i think the voters deserve to know that as well. >> briefly. i want to get back to the other topic. he is running a commercial right now that shows a dead baby. he shows a picture of a dead baby.

that baby died. the person who killed the baby was arrested by the milwaukee police, prosecuted by the district attorney. they did their job. but you know what they did wrong? after the baby died, they did not change the code. it was a bureaucratic mistake. and we said we would fix that. you are running a commercial attacking my integrity claiming that i did something to do with this and you know that as false. you know that is false. you tell me whether you think i had anything to do with that. i will tell you right now, i had nothing to do with that writ you should be ashamed of that commercial. >> the reason we are pointing that out is all out the primary campaign, you told the people one of the key reasons they should vote for you is because your leadership in milwaukee

brought about a drop the that the violent crime. by crime has not gone down. the investigative team has a pointed that out. saying people should go free because by the crime has gone down is not fair. -- should vote for you because myelin crime has gone down is not fair. voters deserve to know. >> if you look at the people who represent the police department, they are frustrated. >> i want to go back to the john doe for a moment. >> 122 average down to 80. when it comes to homicide. i have a police apartment that arrest felons. he has a practice of hiring them. let me go back to a couple of points you made.

>> use it or not in a position where you can, but today there was an article written saying if you have not testified in front of them, you're not down by the secrecy orders. you could release e-mails conceivably. so why haven't you done that? >> because throughout this process of corporate and with the office, he has asked us not to comment on the particulars. all those things he mentioned are asked -- accurate. we abided by that. we are going to do that we did continue to do that. the reality is we complied with everything we have been asked to do. and you look at the record. even in terms of the other day, the sentinel will restore a where they talked about e-mails. -- wrote a story where they talked about e-mails.

it looked at the statement of facts mentioned in that story, the reality is nobody won the bet. the only people that one where the taxpayers because my administration consolidated space. time and again when the facts come out, they clearly showed that the facts are there. >> i want to give you a chance to respond. he says he cannot talk about that because the the hague -- the da has asked him not to. but since you brought it up, with easter e-mails with john dillard. he was the head of your transition team, your treasurer. just clear this up. >> i do have to ask about something that came out tonight. i think your campaign is the letter with it.

-- is familiar with it. it was published shortly after 7:00 tonight and it addresses this is you. -- this issue. you said earlier that you brought the suspicions that you had about behavior around the veterans bonds. he brought that to the attention of the dea. this article says, "milwaukee county prosecutors opened the secret john doe criminal investigation more than two years ago after being stonewalled by governor scott walker's office when he was county executive. the document appears to cast doubts about his claims in cooperating." what is your response? >> there is no direct quote from anybody involved. what it says the that they are either unwilling or unable to read when he first asked me, i mentioned our office was unable to get in permission from individual outside of our office was a volunteer for the veterans' organization.

that led to our frustration. my chief of staff took that to the district attorney and we continue to remain in a position where we are unable to get this information. if you look at -- why would john chisholm has said months ago when he brought up these issues? this is not political. the county executive at the time i asked us to look into them. by making it like that if that is not accurate on my part? of course it is. it is another example of the hype and other issues involved in this. every time the facts come out, they prove what we say. >> i have been in public life for 28 years and no one on my staff has ever been charged with a crime and i have never had a criminal defense fund. let's let's talk about the city of milwaukee. >>mayor, you have spoken about

the fact that you do not like the tone of the campaign commercials the governor is running. statements to the fact that we do not wisconsin to be like milwaukee. is your record not fair game in this? milwaukee has many attributes and some serious issues. why is that not fair game? >> i think it is fair game just as his record is fair game. it is true that this city like many others has been hit by this economic downturn. it is true that this city is the place in the state where most low-income and people of color reside. it is easy to attack the city. but this is a great city. you bet i'm going to stand up for this city. but he tried to convince people

do not go to summer fest. do not come to milwaukee. he is afraid of milwaukee. i'm here to tell you you do not have to be afraid of milwaukee. this is a great city. did not let our governor make you afraid to come here. he is trying to do it for political gain. that is wrong. >> you talk about crime and poverty and things like that in your ads. but milwaukee also generates a lot of wealth. there are a number of fortune 500 companies. isn't there a danger during collateral damage to the city and its reputation and tourism industry? >> i do not think so at all. i love this city. my wife was born here. she went to school here. to be like it. >> this is a classic example of the major sticking part of what i say and not the rest. i said i did not want wisconsin

to face the same kind of challenges milwaukee has faced under his leadership. i want that for a city. i want to have more positive reforms out there. for years, i traveled the state talking about the tourism and people coming to summer fest and the state fair. talking about people coming to the park. i have a clear record. let's just look at this. last april, i started out with my administration and key members of my cabinet putting together a transform milwaukee plan to help. i did not see that happening. that is a data stark contrast to the mayor put in $100 million in this trolly that goes a mere 2 miles. i think voters around the state, even here in milwaukee deserve to see the difference between the two of us. i want to focus on rebuilding

our industrial corridors so that manufacturers can grow here and everywhere across the state. >> would you did to support that was when there was a mortgage foreclosure sediment -- settlement, he took the discretion portions and did not give it to people who were victims of bait and switch in the crisis in used to plug his budget hole. the second day in switch. i just received a massive layoff notice for one of the mass of companies in the central city of the milwaukee. because it terminated a contract with them. he said we are going to have dozens of people lose their jobs. that is not a governor try to work with the city but score political points at the expense of the city. >> there is a difference there. 35 jobs versus the dolphins of jobs i'm talking about with-- versus the thousands of jobs i'm talking about what transform milwaukee.

all the way from the north and all the way to the south side of the airport. >> you welcome the state's efforts? >> absolutely. he was county executive for eight years. i cannot think of it central -- single company help. then he announces this initiative before the election. what a remarkable coincidence. >> that is how you roll up your sleeves and bring people together to get things done. >> i want to talk about the spending that has occurred in this election. we have some folks in the northern part of the state to cannot believe how much money is being spent. they do not feel like they are part of the discussion. they feel like out of state interests are controlling the discussion or union organizations are.

they do not feel like this is affecting them in much of a way. do we need to do something about it? do we learn lessons from this recall and say after we deal with campaign finance reform or do we not need to deal with it? >> if you go back to citizens united and what that has done, let's focus on wisconsin. this is one of the reasons this is still a close race. people fundamentally know there's something wrong when you have a sitting governor who raises 70% of his money from out-of-state. a lot of this money is coming from billionaires' to deny care at all about this state. they view this governor as the rock star of the far right who will do their bidding to bring his conservative ideas here and make this an experimental dish. they love that. they found the place where they can push through the tea party agenda.

that is what he is willing to do for them. >> but he would argue there is money coming from the left, different organizations that are -- >> i will love to be in a position but the fact is he is out spending me 821. -- 8 to 1. i go around the state and people say i recognize the from tv. i say that is probably a commercial that is ripping my face off. >> would you support a special session on campaign finance reform? >> i would. i would absolutely support a special session. economic initiatives as well. >> i think the best thing is to change the recall laws. i think after this recall election on tuesday, you will see democrats and republican lawmakers alike and the populace as whole wanting to change this. i do not think we want to go

back and have -- >> to you will find -- so you will sign legislation if someone put it on your desk? >> that requires two consecutive sessions. you have to act on that before the end of this year. i think that is -- what will happen after tuesday is all the special interests that have come from the entire spectrum. with the millions of dollars came from out of state -- 70% of my contributions are people giving me $50 or less. >> but there were some enormous contributions from out-of-state. you would agree with that? >> absolutely. but the person who gave me $25 just yesterday, it is people who care about the fact that there is finally someone who can

take on the special interests. long after, we can move on and move forward. the only way we do not do that is if the mayor is elected. at that point, i think you start recall pingpong. you will see this all over again. the only way this will end is this -- is if i am able to fill out this term then judges on what we have done. if we have a new person, in the middle of this term, i did not think anybody will want that. >> scott walker came to the county executive following a recall. we talked about this last week. he says he does not recall whether he signed the recall petitions. i will tell you right now, any member of the state legislature decides it recall petition against the city united states

senator remembers that. he remembers it. >> do you have evidence that he signed it? >>once he was very active during the first movement. he has never denied it. all this has now is i do not have any memory of that. he is obviously a sharp guy. you remember what you signed a recall petition. it is not the kind of thing you forget. >> and decided? -- did you sign it? >> i cannot believe i did but i do not recall. it was 15 years ago. i think anybody here from milwaukee county remembers a decade -- a decade ago that that was misconduct. there was a pension scandal today still cost the taxpayers of milwaukee millions of dollars. i was the only elected official during that year blinged to stand up and take him on.

the mayor -- who decided to stand up and take him on. nobody else had the courage to stand up. he resigned shortly thereafter. it was a special collection. i think that was legitimate. that kind of misconduct in office warrants a recall election. >> let me take a back to the campaign finance stuff. when i talk to people around the state and say i want to thank the person who wrote with a check for $500,000, they laugh because it does not happen. you could probably take his top dozen donors and they have matched the amount of money i raised in the primary.

from 10 donors. >> if a wealthy person had come to you during the campaign, but you cannot do it -- >> i think you will change the recall. democrats and republicans will want to change everything to do with the recall because they are sick of this. they see $16 million in taxpayer money that this is projected to cost local and state governments and people want to move on. >> i agree with that. scott walker started this civil war. quite honestly, if you had accepted back in february of 2011, the offer from those employees to allow them to pay toward their health care and toward their pensions, we would not be sitting here tonight. >> that is fundamentally wrong. there are 1700 municipalities and 7200 counties and school districts. there is no way someone can do

that. actions speak louder than words. while that was being said, school districts -- u.s. unions at the local levels running out to rush to a contract that had no additional pension contributions close to what their state leaders claim they talk. >> you did not believe when the union said to you that they would have accepted those conditions? >> you should know this as well, bargaining made the difference. if we would have done a on a patchwork basis, we would have had some school textbooks that would have benefited. it is like having no plans for a budget. >> he did not even try. >> let me bring this to a close. mayor barry you have the first closing statements. -- a ba majorrrett you have the

first closing statement. >> i have no intention to be the rock star of the far right. i have no intention to be the rock star of the far left. i want to be rock solid as governor of this state who will work to create jobs and look out for the middle-class. , to increase investments in education and make sure our children and grandchildren can have a chance to be here. this is an important election. it is an election about trust. i am asking you to trust me and i'm asking you to do everything you can to make sure that we restore these kind of values and we have a governor who will be acting consistently with those values and that is why i am asking for your vote tuesday, june 5, thank you very much. >> governor walker? >> thanks to everybody here and at home. thank you for the opportunity to serve and i ask for your vote again on june 5. last friday night, i talked about a guy in oshkosh.

a woman came up and told me she was a democrat and proceeded to tell me that she was voting for me. she says it is not what you say, is what you have been willing to do. you have been willing to take on the tough challenges. she does not necessarily agree with every step i have taken this he appreciated that someone had the courage to take on the tough challenges. the reason we took on that courage may be unique in politics but it is not unique to the moms and dads across the state. every day they get up and work hard in factories and farms and schools and small businesses across the state. the reason is sitting over there. my sons and i see my two nieces. for every other kid and grand kid in the state, want to make sure they inherit a wisconsin that it is at least as great as the wisconsin we inherited part with your help, i ask for your votes of that together we can move this date forward and make sure each of those children have a better future for years to

come. >> and that brings our conversation to an end. we want to thank the candidates, tom barrett and scott walker, we appreciate your time. we want to thank the audience here and at home and around the country, even japan. a special thanks to our co- sponsors. thanks very much for being with us. election day is june 5, we hope you will vote, good night. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] ♪ >> that was republican governor scott walker and democratic challenger milwaukee mayor tom barrett to beijing last week. voters go to the polls today in

wisconsin for that recall election. we will have live election coverage tonight on c-span 2. >> on a personal note, michelle and i are grateful to the entire bush family for their guidance and example during our on transition. george, i will remember the gathering you posted for all living former presidents before it took office three your kind words of encouragement plus you also left made a really good tv sports package. [laughter] i use it. [laughter] >> last week, portraits of george w. bush and first lady laura bush were unveiled at the white had sprayed it was the first visit since leaving office. >> as fred mentioned, in 1814, dolly madison famously saved this portrait of the first george w..

[laughter] now michelle -- [laughter] if anything happens -- [laughter] there is your man. >> watch the entire event online at the cspan video library. >> here's a look at what we're covering tonight at 10:00 eastern. the senate homeland security subcommittee will hold a hearing on employing u.s. veterans live on c-span. on c-span 2, the senate will continue work on a measure that would require companies to pay men and women the same wages for doing the same job. on c-span 3, the senate finance committee looks at anti-poverty programs including the temporary assistance for needy family programs. live coverage is at 10:00 eastern. coming up this hour on [captioning performed by national c