[marching] ♪ oh say can you see ♪ by the dawn's early light ♪ what so proudly we hail ♪ at the twilight's last gleaming ♪ ♪ who's bright stripes ♪ through the perilless night ♪ for the ramparts we watched ♪ were so gallantly streaming ♪ and the rockets red glare ♪ the bonds bursting in air ♪ gave proof through the night ♪

♪ that our flag was still there ♪ ♪ oh say does that star-spangled banner yet wave ♪ ♪ for the land of the free ♪ and the home of the brave [marching] >> ladies and gentlemen,

chaplain colonel retired will not give the invocation. >> would you bow your heads and pray with me. our heavenly father, we thank you for the privilege of pausing in the shadows of the great monument of our national heritage. and in the midst of the leaders of our nation to pray to you. it is fitting that we begin the ceremony in prayer. because you have been our constant help in years past and you are our hope for the future. we ask for your presence today and for your continued guidance and protection upon our nation and upon our military men and women who are stationed around the world. lord we are grateful for the opportunity in this ceremony to recognize and honor one of your choice leaders and faithful servants, colonel ron burgess. we thank you for your

commitment, dedication, and service to our country for other than 38 years. he leaves a legacy of patriotism and sacrifice. we acknowledge your unseen hand in guiding general burgess to this point in his life. you've provided him with wisdom and courage for his decisions, and you have rewarded his unpowering efforts with success. father, i thank you also for the priority that general burgess has always placed on his family. the love and support of his faithful wife, and the deep respect of his children are evident of a life well spent. we are grateful for the dedication and commitment of the entire burgess family to each other, to their nation, and to

their god. we pray for your continued blessings upon general and mrs. burgess as they begin a new chapter in their lives. now lord, as general flynn assumes the leadership, we pray for him and his family and the many men and women under his leadership. in the name of christ i pray. amen. >> ladies and gentlemen, please be seated. and remain seated during the remainder.

apes lieutenant burgess passes the leadership to lieutenant michael t. flynn. the passing of the colors from one commander to the other is significant in many ways. the history, traditions, and accomplishments of the unit are embodied in the colors and will be what you see passed today. the colors record the glories the past, they stand guard in the present, and inspire for the future.

we are honored, and friends and family and both lieutenant general and mrs. burress, and lieutenant general and mrs. flynn. i would also like to recognize the brass quintet for this morning's ceremony. at this time, mrs. burgess has shown compassion during the time her husband has been the cia director. [applause]

[applause] ladies and gentlemen, they will now join the general at center stage for the isr change of command. as an organization of the strategic command, the component command for

intelligence surveillance is responsible for recommending the allocation capabilities to satisfy high priority, patents in national operator -- national operation requirements. the director of the agency serves as the commander of the jfcc isr. by direction, michael flynn is hereby appointed commander for intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance, effective 24 july, 2012.

ladies and gentlemen, the commander of the strategic command, general robert. [applause] >> thank you good morning, secretary panetta, general dempsey, distinguished guests and families, it is my pleasure to preside over the ceremony for intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance. i am honored to be part of what may be the most complicated ever on record. i am interested to see how is going to turn out. since 2005, we have executed the strategic command responsibility to plan, integrate, and synchronize in support of strategic and global operations. this is a responsibility we do on behalf of all the combatants

and the men and women have worked to develop collection strategies, assess results, and provide recommendations on the employment of assets to the secretary and the president. it was purpose built to reside with and take advantage of the tremendous capabilities of our teammates in the defense intelligence agencies and the director was given the second half as commander. the alignment of them and makes good sense. we have leverage the power and end the global planning and operational focus of the combat command. under his leadership, our team has successfully navigated the balancing act of of filling intelligence demands with assets that are always in short supply. and, in a complex environment,

the likes of which we have never seen before. in large measure because of their hard work, the dod gathers of volumes needed to prevent surprise and to support our commanders in the field. ron, a colleague, a friend, a great state -- thank you for a beating in such an exemplary manner. the men and women of stratcom are you a debt of gratitude and we owe you as you transition. mike flynn, and today you put on the first of a number of hats. you may qualify as the man with the most cats. having multiple bosses is never easy but i believe secretary to net debt -- secretary panetta and i have the same goal. we will depend on you to meet our needs using all of your hats. it is a tough challenge but i am confident you can count on the

great professionals in jccisr to get the job done. good luck and best wishes for accomplishing your mission and i look forward to working with you as part of the great sratcom team. thank you. [applause] >> ladies and gentlemen, the tenant general burgess and flynn will now join secretary panetta at second stage for the change of directorship. by direction of the secretary of defense, the general will relinquish the directorship of the united states defense intelligence agency and effective 24 july, 2012 michael flynn is hereby appoint a director effective 24 july,

2012. ladies and gentlemen, the secretary of defense, the honorable leon panetta. [applause] >> thank you very much. distinguished guests, leaders of the department of defense, and leaders of the united states intelligence community.

it is an honor for me to be able to participate in this ceremony paying tribute to robert ju-- rn burgess and mike flynn. today we pay tribute to ron as he retires after 38 years of service to our nation. i am a big believer in public service to this country. as the son of italian immigrants, my parents made clear to me the responsibility that their children had to give something back to this country which had given so much to them.

in his quiet, italian way, my father said, you had better give something back to this country or i will kick your ass. [laughter] so i was inspired to public service. throughout my almost 40 years, i have really believed that public service, and those dedicated to giving something back to this country, is what america is all about. it is what keeps our democracy strong. that is what ron burgess is all about. he is a great public servant. beyond that, he is a great soldier, he is a great leader, he is a great intelligence innovator, and a leader in that community, and he is also a very

dear friend, to me and to so many in this audience. ron, you have earned your retirement, my friend. and take it from me, there is life after woward. there will many who will want to make use of your great experience and your wife will love the additional income. that is what my wife said. but i will hope you have more success than i did as stang retired. as we celebrate ron and we also have the opportunity to welcome another distinguished soldier, mike flynn. as he takes on the leadership role in our military

intelligence community. this ceremony, this ceremony is about recognizing the impressive achievements of a both of these extraordinary officers. but, it is equally important to pay tribute to their families. love and support of their families has been absolutely critical and instrumental to their success. in that spirit, i would like to express my personal thanks to ron's wife martha, who has been a patient, loving spouse and a wonderful mother to their five children. there is no way, there is no way

we could do these jobs without the love and support of our families. that is a reality. it is true here. i think you -- thank you for the support you have provided. i know how

spent time in the army. i recall what intelligence was like then and what intelligence is like now. when i was in the army it was pretty much in operation. there was little up sharing of information among the services. i was subject to court martial. the reality was there was very little of the kind of joint operation and joint sharing that goes on today.

years later i experience the changes it had taken place with my son. my 3 cents -- one of my sons was activated and the navy and went in as an intelligence officer in the navy. his first poised to reported was not a navy post. he reported to fort bragg. he went to afghanistan where he was working with the other services and the cia and an intelligence service working together to share intelligence. the landscape has changed dramatically but has changed for the better. dia has evolved into a global agency the has devolved to where every.

along the chain of command. military intelligence is now far more integrated -- it far more affected and more vital than ever to our ability to defend this country. ron has been instrumental in that change. over the last decade. -- over the last decade from has brought the capability that has been really at the heart and soul of our a -- intelligence effort in the country and throughout the world. it is our game changer. as a former director of the cia

i can personally attest to how important the military intelligence relationship has been -- the ability of the military and the communities to work together it has been incredibly important to protecting this country. those of the mission, the cia they could have been accomplished without the partnership brother was the board of been london or whether it was going out of al qaeda's leadership or an yemen or north africa or where ever -- wherever they are at. intelligence and military officers and agents rejiggered people working together has been the central to our ability to accomplish the mission. it has been an a important part

of the relationship. he and i would go to graduation ceremonies or intelligence areas where we were not all may educating intelligence officers, we were advocating military officers and capabilities. there is no way i could accomplish our mission without the support of intelligence. there is no way. whether i am dealing with what is happening with iran, whether i am happening with what is happening and syria, whether it is regards with the middle east in general. whether it is dealing with afghanistan or the enemies to confront their, whether it is dealing with cyber war, whether it is dealing with china. whatever challenger facing an

today's world it could not be done without good intelligence. you need to know what others are doing and what they intend to do. as someone who depends every day on good intelligence and on d i a analytical work, i am have been very fortunate to have benefited from the judgment, and from his service. it is our good fortune that we have a net a capable officer bready to assume the mantle of leadership. he brings to this position decades of experience and military intelligence. his knowledge of the 21st century of filled as unsurpassed. i had the opportunity to see his expressive -- is an impressive

work up close, a chance to see it up close when he was in afghanistan during his tremendous were there, and a helpful confidence he is the right man to lead more than 16,000 dedicated professionals that are here. you have had a great leader. you now have another great leader and the mike. -- in mike. i am deeply grateful that our department has men and women with the cullen -- caliber of these two who are willing to dedicate their lives to defending the volleys that we

cherish and it the freedom that we hold to our heart. we have a a lot of new and exciting technology in the defense business. i have some of the most sophisticated systems attention of the world. it turns to were printed and in terms of technology. even in the technology world we have some of the most exciting new technologies that are being developed. let me tell the something. none of them would be worth it if it were not for the good people and the good it leaders to understand not only to use that symbology but art that dictated to defending this country.

may god bless this agency and my god bless the united states of america. thank you. [applause] >> the director of the defense intelligence agency, michael t. flynn. [applause] >> before i get going with some remarks, my mother always uses a choice of words as well. as soon was being reminded -- she says it will keep us had warm. to begin i want is a welcome to

everyone attending the ceremony. the men and women of the dia are professionals. as we recognize professionals and our service and our mission over the many years, today as as -- is as much about the civilians currently deployed in 139 countries has a round the world with 500 serving forces and afghanistan. secretary panetta, mrs. dempsy, ished emmbers of congress, i also want to welcome our coalition partners send welcome to to been steadfast that part of support the united states against the many challenges.

there is a " nikko's -- the will to win a means nothing without the will to prepare. our new defense strategy highlights, developing new parnis ships and in the coming century we can demonstrate we have both. thank you for all of you who are here today. i went to extend my congratulations to the family. you have had a great service to our country and have played a significant role in transforming the community, as apparently transforming the events of 911. i also want to recognize those from the flynn family. the anders, most especially my mother who i recognize the eighth little while ago, thank you for all you have done for all of us. we love you dearly.

[applause] thomas is doing ok. each member of my family, i want to say how much we appreciate how much we appreciate you taking the time. it really means more than you will ever know. finally through all of our other friends and guests, thank you for being here. and in the tradition of military changes of command is important to take time to reflect on those things of matter most to us and command. if anyone who has ever serving commanded knows, it is about balancing commissions while taking command of the people. and today's environment, we stand out as the military intelligence agency. there is simply a non better. we ranged from our great afghanistan pakistan task force supporting general allan.

to our counterintelligence supporting special operations forces deployed. to those supporting the pacific is an vital to the united states, and our intelligence the represents all up who engage in a new and innovative partnerships, and leslie the newly established -- this will change the way defense intelligence has hour or fighters and against the world. as we transition further into the second decade of the 21st century was should imagine ourselves of our legacy. one that makes us as good as we are. is all about the bali's we live by such as team work and the principles and which we operate

with them. what makes us the best at what we do and that is all about the people. the d i a has always been a highly agile and adaptive work force and will stand on wielding and a crisis as it supports our command. has responded to the events. we have demonstrated an amazing ability. we have -- the people of dia stand firm in the commitment to defense as we transition from a leader to another it is more about just tinging writers, and is about using opportunities to reflect on the organization and gain on the abilities that lie ahead. is about shipping the fund and partnering closer with our cup factors and law-enforcement agencies. and our coalition partners. it is about our entire system

and what it takes place in a system as well as the nature of the threat are difficult to discern and to distill the line -- our director of national intelligence -- the speed of which are averment changes is unlike anything that changes in the past. how we give them the necessary tools for later development as well as training and educating our work force and how we analyze and a balance risks. matching our people with our science and technology capabilities. these are vital components of the agency. dia and people within that stand above other people around the world better recognized for their readiness to routine step up and support of our nation regardless of the challenges we may face. i believe in and will continue

to showcase a world-class organization with talent. we remain a key some within the defense department and is also a vital department of our search center of what is a two-way for your opportunity. is an honor to be standing here today. thank you for those who are here today and make it possible for us to stand here today. thank you to ron burgess and your family. two or three a sucker for arrested the country. it leaves a lasting legacy of service. you are inspirational. we are excited about the months and it. ahead. [applause] >> please stand for the

secretary of defense. >> the director of national intelligence, the honorable -- [applause] >> this is a very difficult ceremony for me and the many ways. giving up -- saying goodbye to

ron over the course that as a formal director of the dia, this is a very special moment for me. i am privileged to be a part of this. many recall the famous monocle mike flynn and roped. a blueprint to making intelligence relent. that is one of the reasons i brought mike over. to fix all of the intelligence issues he had been complaining about. this reminds me of what -- this reminds me of my dad who served in the army for 28 years. the to the guy who complains about the child hall. that is what he continues to do. i could not have been more pleased by the phenomenal things mike did for the entire community. our partners, allies, and friends around the world as well

as our colleagues from the government of the state, local, and tribal levels. those in the private sector and circles are key to making integration really happen. there was no doubt in my mind mike to has been a legend in the army since his earliest days when he was known as -- he would exceed expectations and he did. i know they will continue to do great work here at dia. many congratulations to them and the script agency. yesterday he attended his last executive committee meeting with the 16 leaders of the intelligence committee. we shared some restores about him and we got a little emotional. not as emotional as and auburn alabama football game was so emotional. i found out thanks to mary that

the army gets to retire at the green in uniform now that ron is retiring. [applause] as you all know and as has been attested to already, ron has had a very distinguished career spanning almost four decades. i would like to fast forward to ham to the time when he was a brand new start general with standing up about seven years ago. he was offered the job of what was called the customer out comes, apparent requirements. i am he said -- it sounded a bit air forcy but i give a try.

i am assuming that as a complement. the first thing you ask, how can i say is that name? it is about less than a year. he had basically been chief of staff for the office director of national intelligence. he also served about one year and a half of that time as the acting principal deputy. somehow he always from the time to look carats a gay man after my own heart -- i understand did that as a dia town hall where a woman was running for the impaired, he said he was giving civilians $3 a week to work out. he probably claim that that was the minimum time necessary to scope a body that was eye candy like his.

some of laughter broke out. not so much because of the comment itself, but because of the woman who signed it. she made the hourglass symbol to represent eye candy,. you may or may not know that he was a judge die tonight-- jedi knight. between his seven demeanor, a razor sharp intellect. because of his interest in education i appreciative him taking the lead on professionals educated for the entire community, transitioning what had been an intelligence college into the university. that is especially impressive when you consider his advice to his own children going to college when he said, it is only

a lot of reading if you do it. more seriously, ron made a huge difference as has been characterized in so many ways. yesterday, we presented him with a special award recognizing his leadership in fostering opportunity as a role model leadership for the entire community. that is a richly deserved recognition. yes, as secretary panetta pointed out, it was in the operation last may, something i do not think we have never gotten the appropriate credit we deserved it. ron is famous as we know for his

many colorful phrasings. some i believe just from growing up in north carolina and alabama. my favorite is running naked down the street ringing ave gong. that is the picturesque and it's there. it is a wry because he is the first to admit is the responsible for his success. in a move from the world with them with kids she home schooled and was convinced it was an adventure. you will be formally recognized and a properly so for your distinguished service to this agency and to this country. we thank you for that. i will finish with one last inspirational memorable thing

you say. first get in right and s say it first. you clearly did that. you will be best. yes or not -- i am reply di are not going to for a way. you will be part of the family and we will be calling for you on something down the road. first i will make sure what we do call i knew it is not on thanksgiving weekend or every analysis to run the world knows who will be with -- busy watching the tigers take on the crimson tide. thank you both for your service to our country. and now on behalf of of the intelligence community it will be by on a to bestow upon you -- >> this rates, lieutenant

general burgess, gina is awarded the national intelligence distinguished medal from may 1974 until may 2012. during his 38 year career, the lieutenant has been a driving force in the department of defense and the united states intelligence community providing leadership and broad strategic vision that provided to our safeguarding of vision. lt. burgess provided outcomes that strengthen the national and military capabilities from some of the challenging periods in the history. his dedication to duty and devotion and a unparalleled -- the word parallel to intelligence in a cooperative

enterprise to better serve policy makers combatant commanders and were punters. the distinguished accomplishments reflect the highest credit among themselves, the defense agencies, and the intelligence community. [applause] ladies and gentlemen, the ceremony will not continue with the retirement of lieutenant general burgess. beginning with the general dempsey. at [applause] >> thank you very much. there is no truth to the rumor that if we can stretch this

beyond a noon your retirement percentage goes up. this is the defense intelligence agency so i will pose to a profound question. what does a yellow school bus and a motorcycle have in common? you cannot answer that question. thomas kamm. -- thomas cannot. i am honored to be here today. much has already been said to command a run for his accomplishments but i will echo a few of the comments. and at the defense and national intelligence community you have been something and have referred to as a leader of consequence and a challenge of those who replace in harm's way around the globe. you chose a difficult path.

we are fellow members of 1974. we experienced the challenges. that force was exhausted by a vietnam. budgets were in declining and it foreshadowed what would be a change in the environment. much has been hidden from the public eye. even those from the family. you work behind the scenes every level of leaders of across agencies, commands, and prices to give the best to and from mission they needed with the accuracy that they required. instinctively you understood in a security environment full of challenges and surprises, you consistently led organizations

in ways that have strengthened then and it produced outstanding results. your insights paid dividends a decade later when the very same time basins became central to the success in a rock bank and afghanistan. -- in iraw and afghanistan. even more importantly, you never forgot as secretary panetta reminds us that intelligence was fundamentally about people. men and women, at civilians serving here and in harm's way. throughout your career use of the example of your people and you inspired their confidence. given the right tools and boston forward and got out of there were so they can do the best work and then they certainly have. your successor shares the very

same traits. he will extend the momentum you have established here. you are a gifted leader. in your judgment there is no better choice for the director of this agency to take the mantle and carry it on and carry it down with the professionalism that has always exhibited. by the way, it is great to see you again. he will have to google that later. you have been setup for success and you will be a fantastic command team for the men and women and the families of the intelligence agencies. beyond your remark of leadership, we honor your 38 years as a great soldier and family man. will rogers once said all a man can ever hope to do is lead the work pile a little higher than he found it. you have left a better and

higher than you found it. i want to extend as well in gratitude for your barack said the recess -- support for your service and sacrifices and especially for the families you have raised. we have said the connection to auburn university. there is a young of remic university army cadet. it let's give them a round of applause. [applause] your ability to connect with families across the force and even those with unique and special missions has been inspirational. i offer our special thanks for your sacrifice over the years. i know that you have given great strength and inspiration that we are proud of your service, too. on behalf of the entire joint force, thank you for the 38

years of extraordinary service to our nation. many will truly not know the details concerning the -- the american people are crystal for what you have done. god bless you and the great nation we serve. [applause] >> please remain seated as a general dempsey presents the service medal to general burgess. he distinguished himself by a service by serving as the 17th director of the agency from march 2009 until july 2012. change and uncertainty, the

lieutenant general gorgeous and the challenges confronting the united states including afghanistan and pakistan, a iraq to, iran, and preventing surprise elsewhere around the globe. in doing so, he redefined the ability and demonstrated the ability to surge in contingency operations. in all endeavors tv guided outcomes that strengthened the military capabilities and his devotion to duty and -- it has been paramount in a cooperative enterprise. to his distinguished accomplishments, burgess, and it's a 38-year career and the service of our nation and shows discipline among council, the united states army, and the

department of defense. [applause] by a quarter of the secretary of the army, he is retired from the united states army effective september 2004 of up to abort them 38 years of service. [applause]

several dumps it will have a say certificate of appreciation that reads, extend to you my personal thanks and sincere appreciation of a group for mission for your contribution of the honorable service to our country. you have helped maintain the security of a nation with a devotion to duty and a spirit to sacrifice in keeping with the tradition of military service. your commitment and dedication has been an inspiration for those who will follow in your footsteps and for all americans to join me today in selecting new for an extremely well done. my best wishes to you for happiness and success in the future signed barack obama, commander in chief.

[applause] general dempsey will present a certificate of retirement to general burgess. it reads -- to all those who shall see the presence, this is to certified that lt. burgess serving honorably was retired from the united states army in the year 2012, the general to the united states army and chief of staff. [applause]

ladies and gentlemen, the --retary of the army [applause] misses burgess will join the at center stage. from not aware of the declaration for distinguished service. the declaration for distinguished and civilian services awarded for 38 years of distinguished and devoted service taking care of united states military families and being a consummate had maquette for quality of life initiatives and programs on behalf of our

uniformed service members and the term -- department of the army. your care and compassion has family support operations. [applause] misses burgess or receive the certificate of appreciation. [applause]

ladies and gentlemen, a tenant purchase, in kenya. [applause] >> good morning. this morning i was doing my normal routine. and an earlier ceremony, i was referred to as a gym rat. i was working out this morning and a lot of people were coming by and interrupting my normal routine. [applause] -- [laughter] i did not mind if i were interrupted my routine. what i find it was that nobody was referring to me --

one of my team more employees came up to me and hit it on the head. she said -- you are ending year army career the way you began at, by doing the pt. it struck me that she was right and that i used to open my remarks everywhere all the time with "is a pretty to be in the army." secretary panetta who -- the general dempsey, congressman rogers, the honorable mike warrants, general's general keith alexander his

throwing me under the bus by not wearing this uniform, distinguished guests the advisory board and colleagues, friends, family members and most importantly the men and women of dia. thank you for joining us here today. the work of my friends, my family, and the professionals of this agency with their presence. secretary panetta who has honored as with his presence -- ahriman -- are remain grateful to have worked with and for the secretary over the last few years. his lifetime has reflected the best of this nation's highest ideals. the american people are most fortunate he is leading the

department during this challenging time in our history. as i told him earlier, he says a high bar for others to emulate his service, caring, and compassion. the men and women of the intelligence community recognize and greatly respect your lifetime in this profession. we also appreciate your intelligence experience and expertise you print. thank you for your strong leadership, your friendship, and your service to this nation. also,dia has been fortunate to have your support over the many years. thank you. yes ursine europe show us with their presence today. to were thrilled a suburb the of -- army during this moment of

our nation's history. general dempsey, we are honored by your presence here and participation of today. as a former chief of staff, i have a first and appreciation for the demands of your time. supporting you and the joints chief of staff says one of the most important missions. we greatly appreciate the high standard the have set for the high quality intelligence you need as a chairman. thank you, sir. as our war fighting boss on this side of the house, to run for taking time to be here today. you have supported our mission with resources and the guidance we have needed with the combat commanders and a time of demand, thank you. i appreciate your friendship over the years. there are far too many distinguished guests for me to recognize everyone here. there are a couple that i will

mention. congressman at rogers, i saw you sitting out there. sir, to worry very much. as a chairman of the house committee on intelligence, i have very much appreciated the way you have let your committee during your time as the chairman. you have always encouraged frank and honest discourse. you have called them like you saw them. you have on -- you have not always agree. that is the good thing about our system. to work for your support and friendship. i told you i would call you out. i first worked with the when you were a deputy commander special operations command. that was a very short time period. i was the joint special commander, too. i was able to work with you later where he worked on the joint chiefs of staff. you were a j3 and iwas a j2 and

i felt good every day when i introduce myself as a j-32. it has been a professional privilege to work with the over the years. i also want to thank the former directors of the defense intelligence agency that are here with us today. i have been guided and inspired by your service and remain deeply grateful for the council but you have given me earlier in the years. i look forward to your collective wisdom about taking my position among the director, a special thanks to my advisory board. each of you have brought a special perspective and said the deliberations and i appreciate very much your willingness to serve. additionally each of you as a

special friend of personally and professionally, i have been a better director because of her adviser council. to the men and women of around the globe, thank you for your highly professional service to the nation. serving as director of this agency has been a great honor. a profound personal privilege. and trusted as you are with some of the most important sensitive missions, you rise to the daily missions and the highest standards of service. to my family. thank you for being here today and the text of the members of the family that has joined us today. t or all of you for your support.

all that i have done or achieved since my commissioning and 1974, either to you. [applause] -- i go to you. [applause] thank you for the spontaneous moment. i owe everything to your love, your patience, your support, and your strength. like all military families the world over, you served as well. every step of the grade a have been inspired by your faith in

me and the value of our service. as you can tell with the end but i am getting, i am filled with mixed emotions as i stand here today. just like all soldiers and their last day in uniform, even as it occurs off to the museum, a year soared prior to have worn a this uniform and service to our nation. i remain humble but the place -- but the trust placed in me by the department of defense and intelligence community. at the same time you're sorry amazed by time's passage -- how quickly for decades have passed. for those of us of a certain age, time has a different quality. for my commissioning to the day

is like the blink of an eye. since 1974, the army has provided me the opportunity of a lifetime and a lifetime of opportunities. the army i read today is not the same army that some of us joined in 1974. while those for decades have passed quickly, it has been a long journey. our severely challenged a after vietnam, rebuilt during the latter half of the cold war, and it never has it shown more strength than during the long fight since the terrorist attacks in 2001. 1974 really was a good year. as it has been mentioned i am joined by others in the audience who began their career that year. the current chairman, pretorius,

it has been mentioned -- jeff is supposed to be somewhere in the audience, 1974. we named ourselves the three amigos. we did that as we try to work together to make intelligence for the army relevant. we tried to continue what several in this audience did. some former directors that i have already mentioned, the thomases that are here today, just to name a few. others will have to judge whether we were successful in advancing that. since 1997 as an army officer, i have had the opportunity to serve a exclusively in the joint world. the southern command, the joint special operations command, the joint staff, the director of

national intelligence. no matter the agency or the officer or the command, i am have had the opportunity to see the advantages that integration provides to the nation. along came the intelligence reform and terrorism prevention act. i soon found myself amongst a team of intelligence leaders uniformed and civilian charged with building an organization based upon that law. it was an interesting time for a guy who went to the air or college to be close to auburn football. i learned about the capabilities of this entity we called an intelligence community. after the outstanding leadership, more progress and

reform have been made then and many thought possible. i especially of a debt of gratitude. i served as the deputy director for a period longer than some care to even remember. it serves to both of you, thank you for allowing me to serve. thank you for allowing me to have the freedom to do what we thought was right. to work for the example of selfless service that each of the exemplified over many years of service over the great nation. it always looks easy after the fact. when you are up to your neck day today, the difficulty and the and ambiguity. we have kept that and we continue to make progress one day at a time.

it is a marathon as we said, not a sprint. that is the nature of public service whether you wear the green in uniform or whether you where the business suit. it puts a premium of clarity on commitment, integrity. that brings me to the final point of my talk. in the intelligence business, integrity is everything. it applies during peacetime and war. it all comes from the squad based to the office. good intelligence does make a difference. sometimes it is the difference. the majority of us here today have seen that happen. unfortunately some of us have also seen where intelligence falls short. no matter the circumstances and a matter your rancor position

one value matters most to the intelligence community. we must tell our leaders what they need to know, not what they will want to hear. as our nation's intelligence professionals we have been on the notional -- non negotiable opinion to the american people to call it the way we see it. i think ronald reagan said it the best. he said, it is not a enough of course to collect information. thoughtful analysis to sound decision making. the goal of our intelligence analysts can be nothing short of the trip, even when the truth is unpleasant or unpopular. it will not always be easy, but it is the right thing to do. i believe the men and women of the defense intelligence agency of that. it guides us and our search and

in their decisions. what does this agency and its profession every day is the understanding that while much of what we do is secret, our work is and forever shall be a public trust. the it is a trust we must earn a new every day. i have seen that over the past three years. that is why on this day there is no place i would rather conclude my service than here. i could not be more proud than to have served here and to contributed to the agency's critical mission. during the 50th agency last october that was a moment of reflection, i was pleased and joining others in recognizing the performance since 1911 as a moment of its final hour. we have seen a new generation of intelligence professionals over

the past decade make back-to- back deployments to war zones and to conduct analysis against highly capable adversaries. never before has dia contributed of the defense and national levels. a signal of the agency's direction that even more can be done and will be done to take the agency to even greater heights. like any old soldier, i believe the agency thinking about the future. however, i take great comfort and finding reassuring and for having the director ship over to the director. mike has proven himself before a new challenge before him in peace and in war. he and his wife are well- prepared based on their many years of service to leave this agency forward.

we wish both of you the very best as you embark on this latest endeavor and a venture together. over the past week or so as i gather my thoughts about the agency of my own career a focus on the things that have matter to me over my 38 year career. service, plans, family, and my faith. i and my career deeply humble and with so much to be grateful for. grateful for the friendship and support from so many in this room today. grateful to have learned from so many great leaders that are represented here today. and to have had the opportunity to lead some of the station's best troops and intelligence professionals. grateful to have been granted the opportunity to wear the uniform of the united states army. to serve this great nation.

but above all else, i remain grateful for its family, and for friends. friends that have and will continue to love me, and they will support me in spite of myself. thank you for being here today. thank you for taking time out of your schedule to spend time with us. may god continue to bless our nation and continue to bless those who serve in harm's way. thank you. [applause]

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this concludes today opposes her money. please join us in the conference center to the right for

refreshments as we will, the lieutenant general. for those who wish to bid farewell to lieutenant general burgess. the southwest corridor to my left.

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>> please remain in place for a few moments to allow our guests to form their sit-in line. the men and women of the defense intelligence agency and reconnaissance, they served with the merchants and we wish them godspeed and there endeavors. please join us in the conference center to our right to. we will come misses flan. for those who wish to bid farewell to the lieutenant general, there will be located in the south end of the corridor to my left. thank you. >> defense secretary leon panetta troubles to the middle east next week. he plans to meet with the political transition.

the first stop will be in tunisia and is also scheduled to meet with israel and jordan. his final stop on his overseas trip is on tuesday. a house hearing on the sequestered's impact on the civilian work force. the weekly addresses by president obama and orrin hatch. after that. mary katharine ham. >> it was clear after the eighth amendment was ratified the death penalty was not considered to be prohibited. the death penalty existed and was the only penalty. for somebody today to say that somehow the american people had prohibited the states by ratifying the constitution, they

prohibited the states from applying the death penalty, i do not know where this comes from. the american people never voted for any such thing. >>antonin scalia reflects on 25 years on the bench. >> a house arms subcommittee hearing on reductions to the death fence contract work force as a result of the impending budget cuts. the committee will hear from frederick -- this is one hour and 35 minutes. >> i want to welcome all of our members and distinguished witnesses to the -- to today's

hearing. i wanted think there were witnesses for their patience during the series of votes and they -- i apologize to you for the delay. civilian workforce maxwell labor contributions both home and abroad. frequently alongside military and contract personnel. i welcome this discussion today and the opportunity to better understand how the department of defense's forecasting is future work force requirements and balancing the critical skills required across components of the workforce. i want to understand the impact of the reductions. right now there are two possible reductions that negatively impact the workforce in the short term, sequestration. let's start with the senate passed language that directs civilians rigid civilian -- it

would be expected to be an excess of 5%. based on the numbers provided, the simple math would suggest more than 39,000 civilian full- time equivalents would be eliminated. next we have sequestration and nobody wants it to happen. we have been talking about it for a while and it appears there is little to the planning associated with the legislative mandate. assuming an exemption from personnel, we calculate their would be an approximate reduction amongst all other counts. simple math would suggest an additional 89,000 civilians would be eliminated. when you add the two figures we're talking about more of a 128,000 people. some of the pentagon have indicated sequestration alone could be one quarter of a total of the workforce for almost 200,000 people. particulate without the underpinning with a long-term

damage to the workforce, let us not forget what would have to be calculated. this of calls from the first quarter of the year. a proposed any effort without the necessary details of support the proposal. and a kiss of the senate -- both appear to like any to reason. it is to assess the requirements and then to shape the work force to make the decisions. i looked forward to discussing of the issues later in this hearing. where does that leave us? according to the statutory requirement, any involvement reduction in force would require notification both to congress and the employee. sequestration were to take effect in january, it would be required to notify us of the end of september. in light of potential reductions, the -- would general

concerns me is the planning for the future requirements and the contracts among military personnel. since two dozen one, gao as a government high risk area because of the need your address what is underwriting agencies and their vital missions. we go across from 30% of the workforce, 90% of the leaders are eligible for retirement as early as 2015. i look forward to seeing what they are identifying as critical skills and competency is needed in the core competency of the workforce. l or recommendations they have for the process. we were also recently notified that the department identified through fiscal year 2018 carry does that present the budget is running the workforce

requirements are vice versa? a look for to clarification of how this is not a direct contradiction said fourth and 129 that precludes any limitation of the gnat natural employees. we have exercised greater of the civilian workforce issues between shared dod requirements. management of particular directs a perspective of workers requirements across civilian military and contract personnel carriers were now convinced we have perfect knowledge into our civilian requirements. i look forward to the discussions today in delving into the topics for the appeared ready to exercise the appropriate oversight to ensure sequesters into other reductions to not plan said the workforce. they deserve to know what lies ahead. is our job to insure the public is informed. joining us today to discuss the

workforce are two distinguished witnesses, the principle to a precarious and secretary and that misses brenda and the management accountability office. we two were both for being here and are looking forward to your testimony. i would like to recognize my friend. it >> thank you very much. i welcome our witnesses today. we appreciate your testimony before the subcommittee. the department of -- that testing. the department of defense work for spreads a critical support to our or fighters. it is essential to making sure our country's military is so affected. it provides experience, it provides expertise, continuity.

i personally value continuity of stuff with some programs and offices at o>> it is important n an era of austere budgets. management is evolving in the problem of the facts. too slowly in my opinion. congress has made it clear that we want requirements based management of the total force to included military civilian and contractor personnel. in fact, the national defense authorization act for fiscal year 2006 calls for dod to develop a strategic plan for managing its civilian work force to include analysis of any gap and capability. as late as last year in the

the most current plan was not submitted by dod in march of this year. gap -- congress has provided the such a torrid tools necessary to ship the workforce. it will take continued leadership on this matter to make sure that it does -- is done right. having clear requirements safe management employees, it avoids the pitfalls the come up arbitrer of a cut in the workforce. i appreciate in her testimony, she highlighted the risks associated with the last civilian workforce downsizing.

that was in 1990. those cuts to personnel were board of any requirements based decisions. dod good risk with the civilian workforce supporting certain capabilities. this was never more evident than in the down side of the acquisition workforce and the problems that dod faced with the acquisition during the middle of wars and a rock bank and afghanistan. in sequestration, cuts to personnel would need to be a requirement based so that we do not assume more risk than is absolutely necessary. we know that the current budgets and to rescind or require the department of defense to downsize a civilian work force. this process must be rational and not arbitrary. as such i hope our witnesses this afternoon would touch on

the proposed language in their version of this year pros the defense authorization bill. it calls for arbitrary cuts to the civilian work force and what impact or risk is associated with this approach. i also hope our witnesses can touch on the lessons learned from former secretary gates, the efficiencies initiative. the impact and which is still being felt in terms of caps on hiring and targeted reduction. what has been learned from these initiatives and having those lessons been incorporated into the revised strategic workforce plan. i am concerned a cuts to the civilian work force has been focused on meeting budget cuts rather than a comprehensive analysis for capabilities that need to be retained and dod.

before we see any cuts in the civilian work force, it is imperative the department of defense provides congress with the inventory of contractor services that are supporting it. we need more information to make the difficult decisions that will be required with our current budget situation. total force management is only successful when good planning, good information, and a solid leadership are in place to manage human capital. i look forward to the discussion with our witnesses. i two-way for yielding this time. >> thank you for those remarks. as we discussed prior to the hearing, i ask unanimous consent it be made so that members ask questions that follow thought -- i think it will provide a forum

and enhanced dialogue on important issues. we would love to hear your opening comments. >> thank you. good afternoon. >> you might want to put the microphone a little closer. >> thank you. thwork force must be addressed in the larger context as you all have mentioned. the department pose a total active military civilians in the contract service. as we look to the future, we must continue to describe the most efficient mix of our workforce. the current plans reflected in the budget request for fiscal year 2013 has a coordinated approach that addresses needs, satisfies the requirements and recognizes constraints.

the future plans require as to align capabilities and the costs for all elements of the force. as discussed in greater detail, the elements cannot be managed in isolation. if we are to avoid the hollow force and unnecessary expense. total force management is complex. it is a light cycle process used to ensure the -- to deliver the requisite necessary while minimizing the cost. during this period of constrained budget, the department must ensure in a number of civilian personnel are available to me the support needs of the military forces. the department must also prioritize while we ensure military and civilian personnel are performing all inherently governmental jobs and there are sufficient numbers to perform critical oversight management

and readiness functions. the departmental decisions must remain on the decision of law, cost, policy, and a risk and are committed to ensuring those decisions are made consistent with requirements with management. to achieve the objectives, you must ensure decision makers to access relevant data. we must also have the flexibility and the tools necessary to align workload and imbalance the department's workforce. in an effort to reduce excess overhead costs and apply the savings capability, modernization and readiness, the department to regarded number of initiatives beginning in 2011 including personnel at fy11 leels. it reflects an approach that decreases spending on all components of the total force.

however, we recognize that we operate in a dynamic and changing environment and must retain the ability to adapt the workforce accordingly. the current budget request continues to fund the workforce at levels with some exceptions. while we continue to have a civilian work force that mitigates risks and insures continuity of operations, for most of the organic knowledge we need to retain and insurers -- given the strategic direction of the department, the plan directions in order to meet the requirements to the budget control act, funding is currently planned to decline by 2% over the next five of fiscal years. we continue to assess for their reduction can be made with

adjustments to the total force and the new defense strategy. we will keep it informed of the results. the department is aware that the workforce is talented and critical to success in beating our strategic controls for the opera to force and delivering vital services that support the uniformed men and women. changes in the work force must be done in a way that preserves the skills and abilities over the long term. a manner that enables us to recruit and retain the most talented individuals. we recognize the to assess levels of support for cost- effective utilization. with the possibility of sequestration on the horizon we cannot say precisely how badly the damage would be. secretary panetta noted earlier

this year it is clear it could risk our force and reducing military options available to the nation. the department has programs employs four a research total force here we continue to focus on life cycle management by integrating the planning, management, and work-force development initiatives to ensure that plans support development. this concludes my statement. i t why for the members of the subcommittee to address you and help work on the nation's issues. i t why and stand by for your questions. >> mr. chairman, ranking member, members of the subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to be here to observe the personal requirements.

dod federal work force consists of 783,000 personnel and performs a wide variety of duties including some traditionally performed by military personnel. in 2001, they placed capital management across the entire federal government on our risk and it remains here today. we did so because of the longstanding lack of leadership in the area and in part because critical skill gaps undermine the ability to accomplish their mission. with a long-term the fiscal challenges facing the nation, reductions to the work force may be considered to cost savings. human capital remains a critical link in modernizing the governing practice. we have observed the federal government has acted as if people were cut rather than assets to be valued. our main message today is the

strategic work force planning is critical to help ensure we have the right number of civilian personnel to carry out their mission. my statement today is based on the statements issued through june 2012. i written statement is divided into two parts. the first part addresses prior experience to downsizing. dod prior efforts were not oriented toward shipping the makeup of the -- resulting in imbalances in terms of ship, still, and retirement eligibility. the efforts in the 1990's to reduce the federal work force levels below that of 1987 or hampered by incomplete data and a lack of a clear strategy for avoiding skill and balances and other adverse effects of downsizing. d o d e used and consistent data related to work flow data and

subject of course reduction. further, it had unintended consequences. the use of voluntary attrition, hiring freezes and separation mitigated adverse effects of workforce reductions but were less oriented toward shaping the makeup of the workforce. this was especially true of the acquisition workforce. dod was put on the verge of a retirement driven age of the workforce after 11 years of downsizing. now they are trying to rebuild the workforce. in 2001, we concluded that considering the enormous changes the workforce had undergone and the pressures and demands faced by the department, taking a strategic approach would be crucial to organizational results. as i will result -- as i will address next, the second part of

my written statement addresses the current strategic planning efforts. the 0 deep has taken steps to identify critical skills. in 2006, congress required them to have a workforce plan that required specific elements. we have monitored the efforts in this area. we have found dod has identified 22 occupations such as accounting, and implementation that has identified critical skills. dot has not conducted gap analysis for the minority of their mission occupations. gap analysis is critical to developing specific strategies to enforce the scenes for today and the future. for example, where they need to go and where they could possibly cut back. we remain concerned it lacks

critical information it needs to effectively plan the work force requirement. the last point i wish to make is that the work force includes military personnel, federal employees and contractors. and changes made to one of these groups may impact the of the spirit that includes my opening remarks. i am happy to take questions. >> thank you for your testimony and for your written statements that we will make it part of the record. we are delighted to have the today at the upset of the principal deputy assistant of defense for readiness and unforced management of the department of defense. you bring with you a great deal of responsibility on your shoulders and expertise. we thank you for that. all of us are concerned about sequestration. we are five months from that coming into place. as i look at the statute i say the same percentage of sequestration to apply to all

programs within a budget accounts up with programs, projects, and activities in the appropriation act or report for the relevant assistant -- accounts not included an appropriation acts. basically, we're talking about across the board cuts, that is what we are looking at. noting that sequestration is the current law, noting that we are five months of from when that comes into play, what will be the impact of the civilian workforce when sequestration hits? >> i wish i could give you a definitive answer but i cannot. there are some decisions that could be made relative to the military work force. if sequestration were to be a fact, the civilian work force money is in the account.

other agencies could make decisions about what agencies were placed in the account. other things that are affected with things like fuel, turning support and etc.. some decisions would have to be made as to where the priorities are placed. it would have to be relative to what the over all objective is if sequestration hit. we would have to make decisions about priorities of national defense. once they are made we could begin to make reasoned decisions that would affect our civilian work force. when that would happen we clearly would have to take a look at the military, the support our work force provides to it and the impact of contract services. those are the three moving parts.

there are that many moving parts to this problem. >> we know that sequestration is the law. is not something that could happen. it is the law. in case it is changed it will be there. can you tell me what specific steps you are taking to prepare for to answer the questions that you say are a number of moving parts. quirks the secretary of defense is still suggesting that this needs to be addressed. they need to work with congress to understand what the impact of this could it be. i do not have details about that. i know the depositary -- the depleted -- dipody secretary of

defense is to me before the committee to address the impact of sequestration. i do not have enough information to give you a straightforward answer. the implications of course it's sequestration were to happen are significant. when the decisions are made in terms of the impacts and where they are taken -- if you translate that bring get back to the governments of the workforce, you would mention that we have a certain legal requirements in terms of process to notifying perry we also have other things we would have to deal with. we have our labor partners and things we have to be worked. there are contracts but we would have to adjust.

given the other authorities to reduce the workforce and ship it intelligently, we would have to be back with you and other members of congress to get some changes to the laws and the department of defense and policies in order to ship the force of properly so that we do in fact avoided the kinds of problems are were alluded to in the 1990's. i have to tell you, i lived the dream of trying to downsize and take a the peace dividend. it was not an easy task them. it will not be an easy task under sequestration. that is for sure. we heard her say that the department has been criticized for using incomplete data. it was a lack of a comprehensive

strategic plan in terms of the work force. can you walk me through the process that will be required. as you know i come back to the sequestration that is not just a pipe dream. is the law on the books scheduled to take place in january. can you tell me what the process is and walk us through that and the timeliness and generally. >> a normal process would begin by an intelligent review of the requirements. in terms of timing and notification -- >> cluster with a review of the requirements. how long would that take? >> i would estimate the best case would be at least three- four months.

i said that because an intelligent review would be mission based. >> if it would take three-four months and we only have four months does it surprise you we have not undergone the process yet? >> know, because i do not think anybody has come to grips yet with the severity of what sequestration means. >> is it your opinion that people in the department of defense to understand this is the law that will take place in january? >> they understand is the lot. >> what i do not understand is if it will take a minimum of four months to the analytical review, has anybody instructed you to begin the process or has anyone instructed you not to plan for sequestration? >> no. >> then why would your department not have begun the analysis if he know it is scheduled to take place in

january and it will take four months to do the analysis before you begin the process. >> he intends to continue to work with congress to address the affects of sequestration. i believe and a more robust discussion that can be had around a question with the deputy secretary of defense occurs on

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i've looked young because i am changing the image of the republican party.

now i am changing the image of grandma's. i have a 6.5 year-old and a 4 month old i am looking forward to getting on the plan this afternoon giving her a lot of grandmother kisses. the loss of this land are under attack by the people who have been elected to do the bidding for the american people. we have always changed as a society. mostly because it is a time of decision. we arrested time of decision right now. i knew there was a special part in my life and the lives of everybody i knew. i knew when i looked at the data heartbroken the community was. i ended up in washington, d.c. because i realized that we needed people in washington you

understand traditional boundaries. choice loses its meaning and three do not care about what we choose. there's no definition for choice. i knew we needed people in washington who believed in limited government. the role of government is not to pursue our interests. it is to protect them. but i knew we needed people in washington, d.c. who would fight for free markets. we have to have profit. market is good. the ideas of socialism have already been sold into the inner cities. you see a bankrupt, broken lives. and -- he looked all the pathologies that come from that. that is where we're going as a

country. 40%. you cannot have a civil society that is a broken society. i came here to do some really hard and serious work. that is what ronald reagan said. i am stealing from him. i started an organization so we canada market-based solutions to fight property. lookit the end of results. time does not allow me to tell you the end result. most people cannot name a program. the food stamp program has grown into the second largest welfare program in the country.

that is what bankrupt our market niche industry -- our market in -- are mortgage industry. we have defied it ourselves as a country. we cannot go on like this anymore. i've been saying all over the country. it reminds me in the 1950's -- 1850's with abraham lincoln when he had to look in the scriptures. he did not expect the union to dissolve. he knew we could no longer be both. we have some the believe any biblical exercises -- biblical principles.

now we are about half way. a with a 40% on one side. there is not anything getting done to solve our problems. that is what the chick-fil-a debate is about. no. the enemy comes that is why it is on american to be a christian. if you speak your police and a society today, you're not only shunned the. ibm might be a violation of civil-rights law. that is set to be a violation to some of the policies. it is one thing for me to say i'm not coming into our store, but it is another thing for the sale you're not coming into our store.

i hope you'll join everyone eating their next wednesday. i've never been into one but i will try to find one. she said that she thinks we can order it in. the statement has to go beyond just that one day saying we're going to boycott the we're going to go in and purchased. i have dedicated my life to this work. if that is one of the reasons. i think she had those ideas. if you don't know who you are and why you believe what you believe, you can get lost in a very dark place.

we're in a cultural war. those are the ones you'll find on the right. you'll find the christian people and our society today. the christian people in this society are social justice. after going to church and after the government takes $4 billion from us we go into this poverty war the way up no results except broken necks and chaos. liberalism is crew -- is cruel. recklessly crew -- recklessly coral. it is inconsistent with the scriptures. we give away another $300 billion in benevolence. we're the ones to open of the maternity homes.

we work on the crisis centers, the homeless shelters. it will be a very dark place in this world if we lose the cultural war. the christians to not engage. if we do not think about allies and say, why am i here? -- thing about our lives and say, why am i here? i believe we should go on college campuses, share our ideas, think it's through. it is a tragedy that we have to fight our way into our college campuses these days because you'd think it could be a place that all ideas are welcome some young people can sort through the will be. we know that is not true. my life story embodies american exceptional as an. i do not want this country to

crash before the few who have not had an opportunity to find out from looks like are going to find themselves in a country that is not like our founding fathers. the very few who are trying to figure out their lives because they bought the same lie that i did and live in these housing projects across the country. though worry about it. we'll just keep stealing from your neighbor. they don't know that they are dependent on us. they are the ones that think it is inherently racist. in the history of america, from slavery to jim crow which is another type of slavery.

we have been left wanting. i had an opportunity to go on that show the view. michael more was being interviewed. i want to ask him one question. i decide there for 45 minutes to get to that question. a after i didn't, i think i deserve a special crown or at least one little jewel. i is one to ask him one question. why did he go to canada and cuba? he could've gone to compton or any other inner-city in this country to see what happens when government takes over health care. you want to know where obama care will take us? you can go to detroit. you can go to south central los angeles. he can go into any urban

community in our country when government controls health care to where it can take you an hour-and-a-half to get to an obgyn. it can take you an hour-and-a- half to get to the hospital. government dries up opportunity. it is hostile to the free market. we can start to change those who have been high -- those web been hit hardest by government. we want to get them from those campuses into our think tank here in washington, d.c.. we can move on to other cribworks that were mentioned earlier here today. your role is to make sure that

when you finish your college studies, did you decide you're going to come to washington, d.c., is to come here and take this seriously, the cultural war. the reason i'm talking like this is because these are the principles that i believe. what i want you to know most importantly is that those ideas are what really worked effectively. we to keep our resolve. one of the beautiful things about america is a big opportunity to change. you have heard from many great speakers today. at a crossroads in our country to where we will have to make some clear decisions. one of the things that is beautiful is we will change if

we need to. in america, we still hire our leadership. in america, we battle in the voting booth. blood still runs in the street. because we hire leadership, we can hire representatives to believe in a we the people. i think if we do that, we will win. i am so honored. i have lectured on a couple of campuses. but to get this award is extremely special. but i have been in this battle for quite some time. i have somebody full-time to goes through my mail. i do know that the rewards are not just about coming and sang,

i live in washington, dc. the rewards are to say you changed me. you touched to me. -- you touched me. if we keep ourselves in remembrances, our ideas are rescue others. we to be proud. we can be conservative. we can be conservative. thank you so much. [applause] i will answer a few questions. i really do have a flight. i was not expecting to make a presentation. thank you. >> during your conversion process, what was the most difficult light to shed and how can we show trees to people who

are struggling with that? >> i think the biggest liberal why it is that your fate is your destiny. your fate is not your destiny. if you're born poor, you will die poor. i think the biggest lie is that if you're born black, but everyone will judge you by been black. i think the biggest liberal lie is that if you're female, but all that goes with that is going to be hostility and we have to many of you. the nanny state concept that you do not have the ability to engage your own life to sort through and make choices. some good and some not so good. the biggest lie of the welfare state is that it is still debated.

this is real hard. they really think that they have the ability to raise their children healthy. they even have the ability to move out of an impoverished situation. when you tell people that is too hard for you and therefore do not even try, you destroy their reason for even being here. that is one of the most damaging allies and to confer about to somebody is to steal away from them even the ability, the opportunity, or even the desire to try. >> i would just wonder if he would speak to christians and social justice and getting christians engaged and involved in realizing that the system in

america is moral? >> that is a difficult one. many christians in america take their christianity for granted. they live quiet lives in quiet communities and do not even realize that we are under attack and have been for quite some time, until it hits their lives personally. in churches all over this country, people are engaging to the level that they can. we are missing it. those who have bought this notion that we're christian incumbent -- christian company -- christian countries. half the nation agreed with him because there are a lot of christians that this might not be a bad idea. gotta told us to pool our resources. -- god told us to pool our

resources. many of my friends the trend it the message out to christians in those environments so they will connect the economic side of their lives. when you think about property, it's sacred. you have to get people to understand that. 10th commandment says not to covet, yet socialism is rooted in coveted some. do we hire politicians to take it from them. we have pulled out this a model system that is harsh. a lot of christians to not

understand what has happened. one of the reasons i was in dallas -- in fact, the only reason i was in dallas is that it was a tea party of men. there were 15,000 people there. i think that many are waking up. a lot of these folks are christian people sang, what has happened to our country. we can be hopeful that the tides are already turning. it is important that and people like yourself find a place in a role there will be involved as well. one of the questions you asked earlier, can women have it all? maybe it different places and times in our lives. you're trying to save babies.

if you're looking for the cinderella dream, there is nothing wrong with that. somebody better have some children. it is true. the new data is out showing the demographic shifts in this country. the country is browning. when you think about the demographic shift and who is not having children, the placement rate is 2.1. latinos and mexicans are 2.4, 2.1, and whites are at 2.7. that might be a nice noble cause for a good christian family. what can they do? mayor young and have a bunch of children. ung and have a bunch

of children. -- marry young and have a bunch of children. of course, they believe in the sanctity of marriage. but for continuously, once there is a target in their minds, they

are relentless. they will continue to push against that. christians in to understand we are at war, so we better win. >> do you believe there is any room for entitlement programs into the's government? or do think it should be abolished altogether. >> i think we should understand that entitlement programs are government taking from one, giving to another. as in nothing they can be abolished overnight. they cannot be. looking to the one i'm very passionate about. the social security. it is a government promise that it cannot fulfil. when it was developed, it was on a concept that if it were a business and society, it would be illegal. many are calling upon the scheme. when the system was designed in this country, roosevelt decided to find out what is the age of death. when people die? one economist tobias 63, he said let's make retirement age of 65 because you can't have current workers paying for current

retirees and think you're going to fulfill everybody's retirement. one of the challenges with the system, one of the biggest challenges is that the people who get hit the hardest are the people who need freedom the most. most wealthy people not retire off of social security. poor people, the only little bit that they may have, and it makes them violate the scripture. the bible says a good man leaves an inheritance for his grandchildren. you have forced them to give it to uncle sam. where did they get resources to pass to their grandchildren to fill that scripture? the only little bit that they have, they do not alone. and every time we try to have a discussion about changing these entitlement programs so that the

help of those who need help the most, we get pushed back that they want to sustain the entitlement programs. medicaid is a poverty program. you name it. medicaid pays for 40% in all countries today. we cannot go on like this. young people not be able to afford it for one. the main reason we should abolish the entitlement programs is because they are

inconsistent with scripture. they are very much inconsistent with scripture. one of the things i appreciate about the honesty of the gospels is when john rowe -- john wrote about the encounter. he said, go ask them, is he the one, or should i look for another? jesus said, you go back and tell them these things. of the blind are seeing. that the dead are racing and the gospel is being preached to the port. it seems like that would be out of place. i think that would government has done is interject itself into this miracle that could occur in people's lives.

with injected government to say -- and entitlement programs are inconsistent with scripture in my opinion. little by little, we need to get rid of all of them. >> i was wondering, who is your favor woman in the bible? that is a difficult one. i love ruth. there been convinced to get in and take work the have to get a minimal wage. in fact, when you look at what happens in this economy, it is because of the minimum wage as well. i mentioned earlier will happen with fannie mae and freddie mac.

attention.tle -- it gets a little attention. it is one of the reason the unemployment rate is so high roof. imagines there is a minimum wage during root's day. everything that the left says, ruth is a picture of the opposite. ruth was a product of both rape and. -- and incest. she went to serve her mother in law. had there been a minimum wage law, she would have been able to glean.

should ivan the great- grandmother of king david. ruth is one that i really like she is wrecking our welfare moms should model their lives after. the key to work is to get in. take any job. i think my favorite is libya. does anyone know lydia? i like libya -- lydia. gotta -- god has been so gracious to me. i heard a chuckle when she read the title of my autobiography. but i have to tell you. i left a lot of things out of that autobiography. again want to get arrested later in life. he rested me and really saved my life. his elevated me to appoint that

i can take on a lidia persona. at the beach town that i rarely get to. to transitionable to a bed-and-breakfast. i have a lot people who are growing weary when she heard the gospel, she changed. she invited the disciples into her home. she had the resources to serve them. realize that this is one season. i'm hoping that you grab that.

i am so happy for my new intern from florida. very soon, there will be a replacement. i will be able to be a full-time lydia. soon i will be able to help out in that regard. i know the baton has been passed to people who are passionate about saving a protecting freedom. that, in itself, makes us exceptional. others will follow and there will be changed forever. thank you. [applause] >> thank you all very much for being here. thank you to our c-span audience. if you like to know more about us, please visit our web site or

give us a call on our toll free number. those of you in the room, there are evaluations on your chairs. if you could complete those, we will be giving away our books next week. otherwise, thank you so much and thank you to all of our speakers. >> next, a discussion about the effectiveness of media as an hour 2012 presidential campaign. on the news makers, the ranking democrat on the house committee. he talks about whether politicians should make their tax filings public. today on c-span.

>> the political parties are holding their platform here. followed later with their final platform recommendations in detroit. republicans start their process in tampa, florida. c-span's coverage continues august 10 with the reform party in philadelphia, followed by the republican national convention. >> they hosted a discussion monday on campaign ads. researchers present data on voter responses to curb presidential campaign ads. the discuss whether the ads are affected and talk about the impact. this is about one hour and a

half. >> good afternoon. in the vice president of studies and the director for the broker institution. today, we are pleased to welcome you to a forum on new ways for evaluating campaign ads. this event is being broadcast live on c-span 3. does the who wish to post comments or ask questions, we set up a twister hash tag. feel free to post comments of any reactions that you have. edition of a sixth my book. i think this year we're moving into a new stage of advertising.

the 1960's was the broadcasting era. the candidates are aimed for large groups of voters. as cable television came into play, it became possible for the campaigns to target audiences with known demographics. we then have seen the emergence of micro casting. based on reaching small niches of voters. campaigns can use social media to reach tiny groups of of voters with their almost personalized appeal. for example, it may be possible for romney to target black conservative voters in ohio upset with obama's support of same-a sex and marriage.

if he can sway those voters, that may give him a small reaction. obviously, president obama will be doing the same thing on his side. i think they pose very interesting questions for campaign analysts and research into campaign advertising. we have already seen millions of dollars in campaign ads this year. in recent weeks, we have seen a ruling presidential campaign ads over jobs, the economy, and tax returns. are those appeals affair? are there actually reaching and voters? the are obama's criticisms of bain capital gaining traction? or is it such a strong factor that those types of attacks on matter.

we have researchers on the university that are measuring a reaction some brew eight nationally represented segment of voters. voters are being sent the actual ads and then asked a series of questions regarding their impressions. we're not relying on pundits. we're not asking analysts to evaluate if it is affected or misleading. going out tore voters and getting their impressions. and we will hear first from john at year -- john gear. his most recent book is in defense of negativity. attack ads in presidential campaigns. it is published by the chicago

press and won the booker prize from harvard university. he will make a short presentation about the project and then you hear from some of our other experts. >> ok. thank you. given that this is about political ads, let's start with a political ad. this data is probably one that a lot of you have seen already. >> i am a barack obama and i approved of this message. >> oh, beautiful. at for spacious skies. amber waves of grain. majesty, aboves' the fruited plain. america, america.

god shed his grace on me. >> ok. when an ad like that comes out, it came out about 10 days ago. what happens is that people start to try to evaluate the ad. is it fair? is a truthful? is it memorable? there to figure out, does this add cross the line? it is of interest because of romney's bad a singing -- romney's bad singing. then the process begins about how to try to judge these ads. in this campaign, we will be inundated with that. we already know the amount of advertising will be unprecedented. most of those ads will be

negative as well. there will be an outpouring of these ads. one with the people have been adjudicated them, is to talk to academics for example. to talk to low ridges -- to other journalists. fact checks are an important part of the process. but they have some problems. first of all, can this are often vague in their stance on issues. trying to hold them accountable for exactly what they said is tricky. they know that fact checks to exist so they create ads to try to get around of them so they're ads can be dispensable and avoid the criticism. we also know this particular ad

is pretty vague in the sense that it makes claims about outsourcing jobs but does not say how many. lot tosn't a heckuva fact check. the campaigns are about exaggeration. in some sense, all messages are, at some level, misleading. to try to check these facts is tricky. what we're doing here is actually moving in a different direction. what we plan to do is in some sense, democratize the process. winnow the technology to be allowed to ask the public.

first of all, we will identify controversial and game-changing adds. when that came across the airwaves, a number of people said this is one you should study. as a controversial ad potentially, one that will get a lot of attention. i'll talk of how we will pull that off. we then show these ads to the technology to 600 americans. this is a representative sample of america. the results will be available 36 hours after i give the ad to you guys. we'll also have a web site set up where you can actually see the results of these ads. we will make them available very quickly within four seats to 45 hours.

there requested of emotional reactions. does it make you angry? doesn't discuss to? was it unfair? wasn't truthful? was a memorable? also some evaluations of romney and obama. we have an over sample of pure independence. the judge does add slightly differently than partisans. we know republicans like republican and some democrats like democratic ads. also, this election, in some sense, is about learning that 5% in this 20% of the battleground states. conducted 10 ads. it is now ready to be clicked

on, so to speak. each ad can stand on its own. you can compare it to other specific ads. you can do that. you can do various demographic slices. you can see how women look that adds. in fact, we will look at the role of gender. well, fortunately, fred davis has agreed to help us. we're going to try to look at as many as three possibly can.

obviously there are limitations but we will do our level best. he has agreed to be part of this and has been a useful contributor to the process. does it look at some data. first of all, it is useful to compare negative to positive ads. why? there is an assumption that people like positive that's, but this table should tell you that is not true. 46% on average, they did not like those ads. but look at the positive ads. yes, they are viewed with more discussed by the american public. but look at untruthful. it is about the same more unbelievable. there's of this huge outpouring of support for positive ads.

we want to be allowed to put this data into context. this candidate is up on the website. to continue to go through and i want to be able to go to my partner in crime. let me just do some other quick looks on with the state can provide. here is the public's emotional reactions to obama adds. this about the state of accomplishments. as you can see, there are some differences and similarities. this one made people more disgusted, more angry. that is useful to know. we have those 10 ads in the bank we can use as a standard as a judge to whether or not it is crossing the line.

here are specific evaluations of the ad. unfair, untruthful. we ask people if they think added is negative. a lot of times, people think positive that are especially if they're partisan from the other side. the ad is memorable. one of the things we seen is that as they become -- as the general more discuss, they become more memorable. it underscores why negative ads could be so powerful. there were a lot of different versions of this particular ad. here is a comparison of the democrats, the republicans, and the pure independence. there are big partisan gaps. look at how the independents are between.

it is costly. it is harder because there are not many left in this polarized world. these of the ones who will probably end up deciding the elections. here is some amazing differences. obama ran an ad about things a were important to women. look at the discussed level. unfair. a nearly 60% of republican males thought the ad was unfair. look at the negative measure. lookit the memorable scale. really, start, dramatic differences. we will have systematic reliable data to be able to judge these

ads to provide not only do discussion about the particular ad, but to be able to put into context. it is not that this is the end all and be all of rating ads, but it is an important piece of the puzzle that we now have available. to deal with some of those issues, i will turn over to my partner. >> he wanted me to say a few words but the methodology of this project. this is not a profit that can be done over the phone. surveying is essential.

mostly campaigns themselves have moved their at testing from focus groups were they used to be conducted to online service. internet polls make a lot of people nervous. some newspapers will not report them because the samples are composed of a bunch of 23-year- old computer geeks. here is how we do it at ugov. we have reported about -- panelists. the 600 people who were chosen each week to view these ads are selected to be representative of the u.s. citizen population in terms of age, gender, race, education, geography, a voter registration -- about seven other variables.

the sample does not have non- internet users. people on the panel take the surveys of via the internet. we substitute low technology users with similar demographics to represent the non-internet population that is missing our panel. does it work? well, in 2006, to designate, 2010, -- 2008, two dozen 10, we hit the national -- 2010, we hit the national results quite well. according to the national council of public polls, the average error at the state level was 1.7% as opposed to 2.1% for

a live telephone polels. we think this methodology provides an actor with getting a picture of how people actually assess these ads.

>> ok. we heard the presentation. there will be doing the surveys periodically. over a period of time we live data that you can use to compare the different ads on the various dimensions the talk about. i want to introduce the other three members of our panel. we will have a conversation. our like to welcome lynn, a

professor of political science. she is a co-author of a forthcoming princeton university of book titled the gamble, joyce, and chance in the 2012 election. the first three chapters of that book will be out by mid-august. you have a chance to look at them online. she is also the author of a different book entitled "the message matters -- the economy and campaign a fax in presidential elections." back ofhe president's the leading company for tracking campaign ad by. rejiggerad -- ad buy. he was a professor of political

science at university of wisconsin. also, interest groups, lobbying, and participation in america. jimmy peters is a political reporter with "the new york times." he covers the campaign with a focus on media and advertising. and sure you have read stories about how they're using ads to convey their message to voters. previously, he had several years at the times where he chronicled the ups and downs of eliot spitzer, among others. thatalso part of the team won a pulitzer prize in 2009. why don't i start with you. you have written extensively on the factors that affect presidential campaigns. you wrote -- you have written about the economy and adds. we're thinking about 2012, what dissuades elections? >> i think that is a great place

to start. why are we interested in studying political advertising? the obvious answer might be that it matters to election outcomes. the promise that answer is not so obvious. if we just looked at what consultants and candidates and journalists wanted us to believe, will come more that advertising is the driving force. the academic research is a little more mixed than that. has a way of introducing to that set findings, but now introduce you to the story about the 2000 presidential election. the last weeks of the 2000 campaigns of george bush behind in critical battleground states that he needed to win. the media was talking non-stop allied decades-old drunk driving arrest, not helping his chances. in states where there were no

political advertising, al gore surged in the polls. in the battleground states, where bush outspent gore by 5- 4, he gained in the polls. this research is in a book on the 2000 election which can out of the university in pennsylvania. their claim is that advertising in the last weeks of the election campaign in the battleground by george bush, his ability to outspend outdoor helped him win the 2000 election. adds matter. there are critical. they determine a presidential election. another vignette from texas and the same year in 2000, governor rick perry running for reelection. he ran a series of debt-to-know- you ads. he allowed a team of academics to help him i signed the ads. there randomly decide which adds to where end of -- to where --

to air when. in rick perry's case, the ads did matter when he was on the air. his favorability one of five percentage points will be as wrong television. but the minute the ad came off the air, his favorability ratings fell back to their original levels. that research is published in the american political science review. those two projects tell very different stories above the effectiveness of advertising. in the latter case, they did not adair predicted did not matter very much at all. the effect was there but then rapidly went away. we have these two possibilities. they matter a lot, on the matter very little. in 2006, i said i was in college to try to figure out how rapidly the affects of that's the kim.

our takeaway, after the 2000 and 2004 elections was that an effective advertising became rapid. in a presidential election, the effect of the ad is gone within three or four days of the airing. a small affect will persist up to four to six weeks. the effects are gone within a day of been on the air. this brings us to the question of, why are we so interested in advertising and why is there some much of it. i think the answer to that is that it goes along with this story that he was talking about in terms of the change in advertising. , wehe book i'm working on spend a lot of time looking of media coverage. we have seen similar patterns. the coverage of the campaign

drives public opinion. if the coverage changes, public opinion changes. there is a nice responsiveness' there. unlike the ads, the media coverage changes rapidly. we can see the fluctuations. but advertising, typically, we see the decay. it's maybe one week or two before the other ad comes out. you cannot track it the way you can media coverage day-by-day. there are people who specialize in this. and the fact that an advertisement is not just meant to persuade is very important. it makes the project very timely and important. advertisements are now reflections of the campaign. they are seen as a way of branding the candidates and the campaign. they are produced to get media coverage.

they reflect the values of the candidate and his or her campaign. there reflects the character. the fact that the ads are fleeting and decay rapidly become less important. going to people and have them is a way to keep ads from the media, which we have demonstrate, does affect people. i think the assets of ads may be misleading and decay rapidly. there a faq in