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oblem,ot froalluslims, let me b clear about that, but from those who seek to impose it exten tt this ill, i hope it m this time forwd, become more of a focus of national debate, and a decisive factor in conversati provioe of historic importance. eccart mcrt >>hank you so much, frank, for those kind wor. as someone who has had to get a ritylearanceny nbeof times during a lengthy law enforcement career, i have been baffled by this whole situation.

leme ask scenario. a position dle-- a puic policy, a positionhat involvess highly-class of food -- classified information comes in to be interviewed by an fbi agent, which is routine. even people being considered for thelevel positions ecutive bridge are subject to backound check. is not b we qution thpaiotism or suest they're bad people, just mething at is a matter of common sense, as llstatutory la. positions get high and more important and more sensitive, the background invesigations get re detailed, proving not

ly the candidates background, fies a aociaon, thosef thei close family members. one matterhas of partilar foreign ces, organizations,ersons, and movements. there is an entire section devoted to the concerns and 86.e86in f assumed the hypothetical ndidates truthlly complete the form. what do you support the fbi agent is thinking as he flips through the form, asks follow-up questions and get the following story from the candidate? >> i havworked for a number of years at was founded by a wealthy saudi that was intimately involved in the financing of terrorism. are you just speculatingbout that the candidates is ask?

speculating? no, i am not specating this guy started a charity that the united states government has designated as a terrorist organization. it is dested as a terrorist because of lavishly funded al qaeda, the network we are at war with. as a matter of fact, one of the men this guy brought in to help them run the specially designated terrorist organization was so close to osama bin laden, he helped h etworkthe al qaeda. the agent figures you have to be i guess you did not know who this guy was i wasunding al qaed right? caidates answers as a matter of fact we overl of this institute i worked upor seven year remember, he is the one starteit a i woed t for ve it turns out he stayed involved int for decas. it was his baby.

he was still there advising it and helping it take shape during my first seven years when i working there.en t tookim off the masthead. they took him off of the same time he was named in a civil suit by the victims of the 9/11 attack. the agent is stunn. all he can think to sk is, why d you leave the institute? the candidate response i got offered a full-time position at the state department helping the secretary of state help ma i must s i wis that was a far-tched story. bac up for a second, let me think you all for being here, for thosefraank frank again kind wor. i came towashint his suon, beca as he mentioned, i have been writing about this issue, te muslim otherhood for aumber of

years, and fast couple of weeks i have beefighting -- writut t particur thing that bring her tod, e fact cong had the tenacity to notice there seems to be an infiltration of muslim brotherhood influence in our gome i think i was also asked here because it used to work at the justice department. i was there for about 25 years. at first i was at the u.s. marshalsrve a duty otectiin the wits cuor almost 20 years. during that time i or perva nuer onational cuty investigations, which generally means terrorism cases, alys involving attacks by by terrorists. i was also involved in a number of investigations that involved national or international

organized crime groups, which were often by live in nature. based that eerience, i guess that was the main as to come down and talk about this today, but i have to css that i think the conov here is baffng. i do not ursta w m people in washington from both parties have not rallied in support of congress bach frank and roony. at a time wn policy has shifted and the rectionf the enems what should shock people is that there is any controversy whatsoever over what i think i a matter of common sense. the five house members are simply asking thepeor ener in pertinent government agencies conduct internald rertk congssbo islamist influence at those

agencies. let me b car lamist infens. i want to be clear about what i am saying and not saying thelyse term islamist. i did not a muslim. i do not know ho manmuslims work in th.s. government, but i fe pretty safe sayire arerobly thsands. as a federal prosecutor on prilege erving wh manyhe thre werriic american muslims. a number of them were not americans, but people who have embraced america. without those people we could not have infiltrated the networks in nerk in th 9's. withoutheir we could not have gotten the evidence we collected. we could not have put it into a comparative and here- r theive meritenariti

jury. we're lky to have beuse embraed the culture of individualibert that is the beating heart of wen civilizatn. th have accepted the premise of our society that evne h ghthe to fedom of law. theyeepd our foundational princles that peoplare aliberty to make laws for themselves, construe the spitual elements as a matter of private conscis, not o something that is mandatory as a framework for society. those are muslims are not as thomas. of iss, were refer the supratsprin

syem that d govern every aspe of oilitary, dietary, s the stem.o matters of hie. most ia thiero its -- islam's most itial thinkers, thais subscbe to byrganizations like thsl brotherhand that eacultycairo. clascal sharia rejects prpl of cotionalisand reblics some rejtsur foundnapromat pple a freto dermine thr dti in wh sharia holds.ss of to i shaa, andhat lamas

islast t ad suggest to y the ifouanlacehe constutional system with sria and that is, of the mileast, you are not a moderate. ver greaselle be you are not looking to blow up -- hover gratefule are y are not lookg to bw up ae infli violenc e missn of last is wa a everyose sharia. lasieve i just that en tal aut islamists and islami influences, th is what am talking a. is eti tondand islac spr as rigid iologatism is not ide--

laic suprematism and thiss extre form of behavior are no we like to portray the letha at againsus as violent exemm, violent extresm doot cbustpontanus. s ca byslamic prt ide effects, n causes. th are irrational and wanted. there is a logic to them. is idey on a assical interptation of islam that has ahistory. aroun f st whewe pretend that i be ust *nc' bseheir

spy is sharia,hich is a social system, not jt a set of religious principles. mes whenbeen dormant and uppr l, ur essuory rce, but at this hisc ment, islam suprematism is oncen th islacuprematismreat unders we are ccupied jihaists ing m wehod not let t immedianhorr of that reat take away the fact that they're taking aim at our way of life. the movement of the intellectual leader is the muslim brotherhood. the muslim brotherhood is not a secular umbrellor not moderate. its the vanguarof aroun

up revolutio radiolloca mass movement. it is sophisticate d,at cent excuse me -- over the last half century i should say, the efforts of theli brotherhood have been opentl over written by oil wealth, ular follow a fundamentalist interpretation of islam. its a close cousin of the brotherh interpretation. for our purposes, they merge into the supremacist ideology that threatens us today. that threat is very real, very essiand mu b than terrism. that is because the underlyinthe

rationale for terrorism, the gradual imposition ofssical sharia by both violence and non- violence. we hear a lot of chatter today separating them, trying to separate violent and non-violent but they are neverlly multiply exclusive. theggresve type of islam. it is thvote -- leverage by the threat of violce. ishat makes the n-ling ji theslamic tis toorganircis such e inuenpooucy making. ntionekagoasnk caed jad. an internal muslim brotherhood document seized by the fbi from atop brevard operative in virginia. it was dated 1991, and i was

called the explanatory memorandum. and it, leading brothers explain tohe globaid states leadership he therother saw theimission. civilizaon jihad ty calledit any med fm whathe memo said. the muslim brotherhood must understand their work in ameri is ain of grandihad in eliminating and destroying the western cilation om within, and sabotaging t hoe byir, hands soisd, an' religimadeons icouover amongmtsspeak lvesthemsend they onewhat they're talking about, they're very clear about what they're trying to do. they'reo rylear about who they're tryinto dit with it listed 29 different

organizations, many of them among the most influential islamic organizations in the united state they identified the organizations as their accomplishes -- accomplices in the and teton. now the brotherhood s in t midst of a gradual triumph in egypt in theiddlst. at leads bthers to beme more bold in the publicts. a man gave a speech in whie exsed aca for island yacht against the uted states. specifically, he urged the fellow muslims to wage jihad for his sake wh money and lives so that the word will reign e.prem implyi that injunction, he proclaimed g hot is thly solution against what he zi american violence and

tyrann also took flight in noting the united states had bad woded in iraq and afghastan. fromhat america, d is ngegng o its end and heading towards the demise. contrar to the increasingly -- ateemsbe the creasingly popar belief in shingt, islamic iences are they are not something tyawn over, something we to ursein o we're talking about a vy etne movement that s no punches andhe intt to stroy our countr the mostortant ahority in the wld the muslim brotrhoocheap jurts, proclaims tis long will conqr ameca aonquer europe, and you will want remember his name ll be coming

thishortl only tell us they intend to destroy us, but they tells how they intend to do it. not only by intimidating constant violence, but by some of the tosh. their word, not mine. they will, they say, the story us from within. they intend to insinuate themse ima institutns they intendo compromise as om iide, as well as from outsi. where i come from, when serious, competent, threatening people tell you what they're to do to you and how they're going to do it, tt is not something to be ignored, it isomething we need to take very seriously.

th main we shoulde rislwhen our government ispoli agenes stheyre not penettebyernicious . at isthe fi members of congress have trto what is shog d what should our rage the american pople ithfive of them seem toe stding alone. to bear,le the five members have not made accusationsf iminal wrongdog. the critics who say they are relying on the guilt by association are absurdly missing -- mixing apps and anges. the bedrock princip agast g by association has to do with criminal prosecution. we will not tolerate someone's liberty being taken ay d they're beingcted of a crime just because of who their friends aror what their associates he done, but guilt by association has thing to do with fitness for plic office.

high public office is a privilege, not a right. access to classified information is a privilege, not right. you ed not have done anything wrong to be deemed unfit f iviles. it is not a question of patriotismquestion of your trust worthiness, but about whether you would be burdened by obvious conflicts of interest that you would be mpted to act on those interest, rather than in the besinterest of e united states. it is about whether the american people, have confidence were likely to act in the pli interest, rather than out o ideas, favor, or intimidation. it is about whether there is reas be compromised, not about whether you have been compromised. to be reoncret autt, when i was a prosecutor, the justice department would never in a millionears let me handle an investigation that involved members of my family or their

friends. that is not because they did not trust me, it is because it would have been inappropriate. when government tovoid t appearance improprty. the legitimacy of government acti depends on blic doj bosses would not make men. sit out a case because they thought i did something wrong, but because the public might believe i was acting on improper motive. the anxietybout improper motive is a commonplace of replace and government. nothing sense the press and public into a tizzy quite lik ththought that government officials are letting lobbyists weigh in on the formulation of policy. we have rulesgainst former fr eloyeobbygld agencies. liberals against representing both sides of the case. -- we have rules against represng sid of the case. those rules flow from human

nature. they are not an indictment of the trust worthiness or patriotism of the people involved. people who work in government, especially if they need security clearances, expect n only to crowhe expect that tonds happen with respect to family members and close associates as well. fbi agents as those routine questions they'reotust going through the motions. it disturbing facts are check fily member at h ito diuaanlify adate forhe sition tt he seeks that can benough for us to a ratial conclusion that the public would bere bett served by having someone on conflicted fill the position. if the fbi had asked me about my ther's bkground d i have responde teang what little backound -- whatittle hair i had out, that were not just be

good reason to apply - deny my security carance but a good reason to tell me to find noth line of work. having word in gernment for a long time, that is thease those of securitclearance. wihaas bkground, and i appreciate you bearing with me for that long background, let me speak to the specific circumstances of the deputy chief of staff to secretary hillary clinton. it is worth stressinghe five as bs of the rals t hear then government officl whe s raised, but ss on the most attention. for our purposes today that is fine, because her situation dramatically shows howof kilter. we have heard all of the caterwauling about is, phobia,

in my personal favorite, mccarthyism. [laughter] two things about that. wast,s, phoblamaphobia manufactured b thelim brotherhoo for the purpose of browbeating people. today, there is no wor since then to be called a bigot, even the charge is utterlyty. it is intimiding. it isntended to paralyse ople into silence when it is their duty to speak up. is why the 13 americans, we killed in the jihadrave atrocity in fort hood. also why the government would rather dismiss fhoods of work place violence incident in deideoitgy that caus . duty is calling us nd duowan has to be done, eve the grievance industry creeps in

overdrive. as mccarthym, the tru is all the demagoguery has on the other side. contrary to the claims that five members of congre have r as senator mccain put its " unspecified and unsubstantiated concerns" they have deposited tters th specific inuite substantial. rather than address the factual matters, matters that include connection's only to muslim brotherhood luminaries, but to 1 al qaeda finance year, the response of the obama administration, congressional democrats and echo chamber in the republican establishment has been to attack and smear the messenger. i am compelled to say when it comes to our background, the five house members have actually understated the case. the letter to ttate

department inspector general stated that ms. aberdeen has three family members, late father, mother, and brother connected to the muslim brotherhood operatives, and or organizations. they members. it turned out that she herself is directly connected to a majorh no maseth, figure in financing al qaeda. she worked for a number of years at the institute for minority affairs as an assistant editor of the journal. the institute was founded naseth, remained active for decades, overlapping for at least seven years. he was secretaryeld league in si arabia, perhaps the most of the

get muslim brotherhood organization in the world. as part of the muslim world league, he founded the trust, whichs formally designated a a foreign terroristrganization under america law, due to the support of al qaeda. that is toay before you even start probing the extensive alming brotherhood ties of her family members, she could easily have been disqualified for many significant government positions requiring high security clearance, based on her own personal, long-standing connection to naseth. a little more background,the instituteor mlim mity affairs, she was the assistant editor of the journal of muslim minority affairs. the journal promotes the fundamentalist version of she was the assistant editor of

the journal. the journal was the mproduct of the institute. she held the positionf assistant editor from 1996 through 2008. that is from the time she began working as an intern at the clinton white house until the time shortly before she took her current position with secretary clinton as deputy chief of staff to sectay ste. the institute wasounded in the te 1970's. he is a hugely influential saudi arabian who was vice president of theing university in saudi arabia. he recruited an acadec managing editor.the journal that colleague was ms. abedin's late father.

he then moved hisamil f saudi arabia from kalamazoo, mich she was about to at the time. her mother is also an academic and worked for the journal from its inception. she wouldy ventuake the journaovern herather died in 1993. she remns the editoto this day. brother is anin's associate editor at the jal. no lg afit started, becamehe secretary neral the muslim world league. the muslim world leaeas launched by the muslim brotherhd, with the financial backing of the saudi royal family. it is rerd aa charity,ut it is really a obal propagation enterprise, exportinghe anti-western brand ofslic idey roghout the world, very much cleaving --

inuding in the united ss. muslim btherhood circl tha are more critical than cretary general of the muslim world week? league. the musl world leae is part of the foundion of the grand teton with the brotherhood calls the civization g. tjihad. --ranad. jih th have a long history in biology vient jihd as wl. to dt this, he selected jiliden, not just a b a close associate of osama bin laden's.

so close in fact, one of the people that formed al qaeda in afghanistan. accordg to bin denimself the muslim world league was one of al qaeda'sthree top funding sources. consequently,fter 9/11, t uswaallyesigby e united states government a foreign terrorist organization. branches of the foundation and the internationalslamic relief organization, which were two otherharitiest were sprung out of the muslim world leae. t hemuim leagu trust, he kept his hand in at the institute for muslim mirsty in fact, he continued to be sted on the masthead of t visory editorial board until 2003. we why hisame su decades.

qaeda was so amatoris that in 24 heas named as a defendant in the civil case brought by t victims the 9/11 atrocity. in 2010, aederal cou dropped him out of the becau he was uninvolved,ut becau the judge reaned an acan acked personal juiction. so to summarize, she had a very lengthy association with an institute foded by top fige at the nexus between saudi tear refunding, brother of logy a al qaeda g. hot against the united state qaeda jihad against united states. even if that was the only coection we had,hat would be disturbing, but as the five house members have pointed out, there is much more. pants were recruid to head up the institute.

they obviously had a very close relationship with him for over four decades. besides being theitor of the journal, her mother, again, has served as a member of theuslim worldeague it. she also directs an organizion that is called tnternaon islamic it for women a child. is committee s been l as the muslim world leae organization. a top advir t thett is sk usif taradowy. they are actually authors of the committee's charter. as i mentioned earlier, he is the muslim brotherhood chief sharia jurist. he is a fierce supporter of mas, and has supported suicide bombing against isra and against american military and support

aq e committee describes itself as part of an nization called the international islamic counci in relief. i know i am dung a lot of organizational names at you, and as i understand, there is a time line, and a couple of charts that lay out what the organizations are. as i said, the committee i described is part the islamic council. th the committee and the council are component of yet another group, an umbrella organization that is runy the union for good. the union for good fdsnd support violenihad.

the international council is banned in israel because of support. organizations aside, there is much that could be said about work at the's various muslim brotherhood of thwe chia's been attached to. the overarching point is she is a champion of classicalharia law. all of those practices find supporin classical sharia l, so she oppos the prohibition of them. furthermore, she published and

edited a book called "walent -- women and musm, obligations." it is a sharia a gde to women'sssues. it extensively sites the leading theoristfterheththfounde bim wrgs ctie en teorti n al ila hess e amuduery,he owineit violtoveedrire spch toits isn

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ojournausm rity inddion, he wa aelw aslca iute n eat bta, d ceer ismiudy. during that time,xfd cent boaembers i t meaewlongat the end, our systems are mainly about political accountability. ch morso than legal remedy. i want to be car, i am not accusingne oa,ut national security and foreign pocy ha tak dangerous turn. that needs to be a campaign issue, regardls of whether the candidates sme make it one. the principal policy makers in

should be searched are thehat president, members of the administration, in particular sey clintonhen es to foreign policy. no one inow, least of all me, is contendg president obama or secretary clinton need huma abedin to develop islamic sympathies. i would be surprised if ey do not de with this as a friend rather than an enemy, bhe is not the official who wa respsible f that decision. so of the people highlighted in the letters but the five house members have very influential positns, and that is cause for concern because they have a lot to say aboutcy . no one is claiming tt anyone otr than the presidents a ultimately responsible for administraonolicy. is also truents

ca officials fit to consult and seekssistancrotty ch whever theyant. the adage that ections have consequenis o of here. cabinet minaons have coequences, too. if y do n want people with disturng connectionsn anti-american organizations like the influences on government officials, tn the point is to oid electing and confirming politicians who are going to put such people in those positions. ill,ll of that said, it is congress'esponsibility to scrutinize eveh cy, if especially he licy choice in dangers the nation. -- especially when the policy choice in dangers the naon. nce 2009,he obama administration has abandodhe federagovernment prior policy against dealing directly informally with themli brotherhood. the state partment has not only beesupporve of at dramatic

a nu o muslibrrhoo positions that undermine both the american constitutional rights and our alliance with israel. to name just a few manifestations of ts picy ch, the ate department has an adversary in israel who trained operatives of the muslimn pressler -- americ brotherhoo the state departntnnounced the obamadmtrion wo be satisfied wthe election of a muslim brotherhood- oriented government in egypt. the state department has collaborated with the organization of the slic cooperation, block of govement heavily influenced by the brothhoodn seekg rict americane speaks -- free-speech rights in the clearance to examination and negative criticism of is long. the state department has

unr- counter-terrorism forum, a group that brings the united states together with seral islamic governments, a prominent lee including the co- chaired, turkey. -- prominently includi t co- turkey. at the global counterterrorism for a kickoff, secretary clinton teort acts oerry ps, menon how moss or attacks against isel. this was in de to th islamic government the adminiration has chosen to partner with. those govents aere to the muslim brotherhood positi th's is not a terrori , anganior attacks against israel are n terrorists. the state -- state department and obama administration way

ngio orde in aid to t afthe muslim the stetmt obama ngressiorestriction order dollars in aid to the palestinian terries, ithstadi that ghaza is ruled by moscow, a dnated terrorist organization and the brotherhood's palestinian branch. with respe to the dedicated terrorist organization, if an american citizen try to provide support, they wld be guilty of a serious felon speaking of which, the state department and the administration recently hosted a contgent from the new elected parliament that included not onl muslim brotherhood member bembe of the islamic group. islamic group hea by the

shape, which was my defensive back in the early 1990's. he is currently sending a life sentence for his leadiole in the terrorist plot that not only bombed the worldde amtious camign --mpaign of attacks on new yor city landmarks. like a mosque, the islam group is desigted terrorist organization tohich it is illegal supply material sut.y, ofinall a juscompleted trip to egypt, secretary clinton pressure the rulg military to handve per to the newly electedliam part, which is dominated by the muslim brotheood. secretary clinton later met with him, has also been extended e honor of an invitation to come to the whit house this september. all this, despite the muslim

brotheood exiv record of hostility towas the it states and despite the fact that morsi his first plic atement after being elected presiden announced one of his top priorities was to exert pressure on uned states to foe them -- to force us to free the blind shake and transfer him back to. one last thing. government agencies are responsible to police themselves to ensure a proper influences and conflicts of interest do not skew policy away from the public interest. inspector general are one way agencies do that internally, and it is entirely appropriate for members of congress to act inspector generals perform this role. in fact, probably a goodoice of congressan g the information it n witut interfering wit the agency mission. congress has an obligation to ask questions and conduct

ert oveexecute agencies. after all, the people's representatives have created these agencies. it is congress that funds these agencies with taxpayer dollars. what we're paying for drallyffecamaticour security, so congress must examine the policies and expendures to protect th blic interest. under the ccums, there would be something rribly qution about islamicking influence of onur govnment. there is sethingerribly wrong in the fact that these fe member of congress are the onwho nes have the courage to step up to the plate. think you very much foyour attention. areciate it. [applause] >> sir? i am a formerhy,

state prosecutor. i have always been intrigued with the chain of events that led to the seizure of the explanatory memorandum that you discussed this morning. i have been looking at the affidavit that resultein the iscearrant for that home in virginia. i veed tt the fbi beeved that therwas coection to al qaedandha thehepeake bay bridgetere ca prior to the seizu were performing reconnaissancel qaeda. i even have the pertinent paragraphs of that affidavit with me this morng. my question this, should we as citizens not be conceed or even angry that s 2004 our vernment has not adequately investigated and prosecuted this

connection with al qaeda? >> well, we do not know that they have not adequ investigated, but i think we havents, parcularly on the frontlines, that are dng wt they can tonvgate ts pretty tughly. 's not forget we know the us,nd n sufred a reprise of 9/11 since it happened, so you do not want tsell t energy that our agenciesev to protecting ameca, because they have done a pretty good job of it i would say for the past 2 years. the last 10 to 12 years. that said, threlationship tween alda o be bngxo irkgi wfor them. onhe h when e whed mls.

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bad ticker, probably any mal you can think of, a what was his source of influence? this is what the government was talking about back in 1993. he is aoctor urprudence, a univ grasityate, and renowned authority on sure korea -- authity o sharia. they are threaded through the koran. e clinton jusce department brought us down to washington and give the prosecutor of the and thesecutor of as.

the year award, or whatever it was. i do not mean to belittle it. this is the fuel ends up in violent extremism. what we toall evidence is now, basically, a hate crime, and if they get their way, andek th the organization wld lik into our law, ite otnly to prosecute terrorism cases but even to talk about them. >> mr. mccarthy, i am trying to determin-- you mentioned during your dissertation here that this should become an issue, this whole thing should become an issue, in the current

presidential campaign. this raises the questions to whether or not you know of or will support or will encourage any effort - will encourage or wil actuall take the lead in anyfft can you give me any indication of what we can look forward to in tt regard? >> well, i think i just did it. what i thought needed to b said -- i have to tell,s shocking as i thi hink t romney pple what andy this." you know, look. i think its veus that this is a crualmportant issue, and let me explain why i

think so, oth than e obou if you have and i thinke do have seriooblemy leasworthnvestigang about inluence in our country, and when you describe it to people, they think it is hair raising my god, this is reay." s that bettethe people out d ere are five members of congress who are willing to give up and say sething about it, and the remainf the who are willing to getp an say mething about it,and the remainder of them want it to go away. what does it say the next time me infmati comes that cries out to be disclosed and investigated? you knowif you are an ambitious pitician in congress, andou see what th

did to michele bachmann and st of the characters, it is going toe very hard to stand up and do what needs to be done. that is why i think it is vitally imporant, and it would be a wonderful thing if governor romney did it, but it is importantt we raise ho hell and the people stand up and be counted about i yes? >> accuracy in academia the muslirebel league person. -- the muslim leaue person. >> his grandfher whe founder of thmuslim ramadan , d sa'id was married to the daughter.

the family tree there. yes, sir? >> huma abedin does n he any policy world -- >> iaid soes not make policy. >> she essentially helps the secretary of state pick out perseids and get her from meeting to mti -- pick out her suiand get her from meeting to meeting. >> i do know that she managedo get mrs. clinton to appeart coeg that her mother founded in egypt, of all of the places ey cou have gone too. they got there. that one, by the way, has board members that are involved in rrorism ndg.

sh did her share, too. look. somebody says she is not a family member. is is not a partisan proem we are in a partisan setting right now. look. i was very criticalf thbush administration, and i think they've ben over backwards and turned a blind eye to things i do not think they shod have turned a blind eye to, i do t know whato say about this except i thought i was clear bipartisan faili.is was a rl i am proud of the five pele who ve sto up and are continuing to stand up despite having been really put through the wringer, but there are

people who haveot bn heard fr, when they haveeen heard from, they have saith wrong things, are republicans, and some of them are democrats. stupidity does not seem to be a padion. >> can you be mepec on whats the danger if w give open arms to e muslim brotherhoo? egypt. i am wondering if it is just peaceful, open arms. >> i doot see it as peaceful i thinky are committed any of the united states -- a committed any -- enemy of

the united states. theyad a leader come to say that t should be violent, against the un states -- therehould be violent jihad against the ited state i am not foolish enough, i hope, to thinkhayou do not have to deal with your enemies. you haveo deal wh them. i think thats a much more sensible place to start from. right now, they are the leader of the country. i probably o t too. lea we have tohd is our becaus that is the fact of life. we would be children if we did not think we have to deal with them, butou need to deal wh them as they are, not as you

they are. that will make us a lot safer. yes, ma'am? >> sticking with the hitler part, is it reasonable to look at this the way we used to look at commusm? there is a differenc between going to war -- i am not advocating war against egypt, but to understand people who do not like the way you ve. >> think that makes sense, but houlbe hones aut history of communism. wehoughts me infiltrion than that is a very good analogy, but let's make it an accurate analogy. we are dea wh an ideology. i think in many ways, soviet eaer for us to dl with, because when you inject reli, which you have, unfortunely, with islam xm premises and, because it does have some spiritual elements --

with islamic extremism, because it does have somepitu elementsyou know, think that has made it, because of our respect for religious liberty, it has made it more difficult for us to grapple with this threat, and i think a lot of well-meaning people have gotten it wrong, but i think it is a good analogy. bere osama bin lad was killed,ou had it intvi, i think, withtion revw," suggesting he had outlived his usefulness to the muslim brotherhood and that it would therefore be ok for the obama administration to kill him. a because heutlived his usefulness to the muslim brotherhood? >> whether they did or not, i consider it a personal favor to me, and i think the president.

no, osama bin laden was a threat to the united states. i do not know how it impacted the muslim brotherhood. >>must wng. what i said is he had outlived his usefulness thi that is true. the islamic -- >> theresons to kill him. that ione of them. >> nobel has madthat ar. ve never heard it before. >> i do not know whato tell you. >> you made it. i thought it was crazy, too, but then again -- i thought osama bin laden -- but then again -- >> i thoughtsamain lenad outlived usefulnes t

authorizing an operation to bin den. if i aidl benefits or residualenefit or whatever impact it had on the brothers -- prident obama has been very tough on violent jihadists, and r those that mentioned partisan issue, back during the 20 campaign -- and for those that mention the partisan issu that during the 2008 campaign, the idea that if they did not deal with pakistan, he would deal with them, and mccain was shot. -- mccain was shocked.

country that president obama has been tough on violent jihadists. its bad that they have botched it up that they sometimes killed in circumstances where we can capture and get a good intelligence -- and get good intelligence. thought oma was right when he talked about pakistan, but i did not believe him. he proved me wrong. he has been very tough on pakistan and all kinds of different pockets. ts has made it a lot easier forim to have maneing room in terms of dealing withheuslim brotherhood, and i do not have inro of me, you know, whatever it is you are quoting, but my recollection is that is what i was trying to get at. in other words,he fact that he

has cracked down aggressively on re aggressively tn presidents bush did, has made it easier for him to embrace these muslim brotherhood groups without having a lot of political fallout. >> how does the same-sex marriage and to a whole agenda -- marriage entered a whole agenda? -- how does the same-sex marriage issue and turn the whole agenda -- issue enter the whole agenda? the obama administration has islam its sympathy -- has islamic sympathy? >> you are way too quick for me. there is a fair question in

there someplace, and it is this. to say that obama has islamic societies is not to say that he is an islamic or supports sharia. and i will make a broader point about the hard left, in general. there are many historical incidences of leftists and islamists working together. they exist right before our eyes now, and they have gone back more than half a century. that does not mean that the two of them agree on everything. they agree on a number of core things. they are both sympathetic to the idea of a trip -- of a totalitarian system. it is not the same totalitarian system, but they tend to combine with each other when they have a common enemy, but once there is

not a common enemy, they have also fought with each other in history, so i do not know why there is a problem to say that obama has islam this -- islamic sympathy but is not an un- islamic -- but is not islamic. >> be any of my enemy is my friend. eny of my enemy is my friend. a ranging -- arranging to take him out.

certain weapons of mass destruction. >> mr. gaffney believes that obama was not born in the united states and that there are mounting claims that he is still in muslim. -- a muslim. >> since i argue most of the time that we should avoid imposing sharia in the united states, i think the president should get benefit of the, as well. there is some evidence that he was raised as a muslim, documentary evidence, as well. as far as i know, the president has not done anything to a firm islam.

-- to affirm islam. i do not know we do not believe him when he says he is a christian. that is not our way of thinking. if somebody wants to run a nutty muslim that obama is a because at some point in his childhood, he was raised as one, which i do not know either, i think that is a stupid thing to do. you are a sitting i am going to accept your recitation. >> there is mounting evidence. >> i would rather see the quote before i say anything. i am not going to play that game

with you. i have said what i think. >> do you think it is a credible question? >> do i think what is incredible question? that he was not born in the united states? i think he could have done a lot more to take the question off of the table. i am not going to do the birth certificate. i am here to talk about the muslim brother read. no. >> thank you. >> you are welcome. >> hi. my name is anna. some examples of how they happened trained to be elected. >> yes, there is a guy who is a

state department official, whose name escapes me at the moment, who is the obama administration's point person for the transition. he has given a number of interviews. i think some of the american press but certainly in the arabic press, where he explains that they did democracy classes in the procedures of democracy -- they give democracy classes in the procedures of democracy. what i take that to mean is sort of organizing political campaigns, organizing election strategies, developing platforms, and the like. this i aosa te but i remember him saying that some day, the islam x, , -- the islam mix -- the islamics come.

ok, that is what i have got on it. yes, sir? >> i am with the investigative project on terrorism. i have a question for you. the center for american progress, a think tank, put out a study that says there is a phobia. and yet, some of the people who have been making the same charges are groups that are actually much longer -- larger than ours, like the american civil liberties union, and various other groups that are very, very well connected on the political left. what is the best way to answer

these kinds of charges? >> well, as i said before, this is a strategy. this is a label they have come up with themselves, and like many of their strategies comic it is quite clever. -- and like many of their strategies, it is quite clever. to be subjected to that kind of smear. i do not know what to say except you have to tune that out and not care about it. i do not care about it, so i have trouble identifying with people who do, but i understand the problem. i just think it is a mistake to

think you need to get into a rational argument with people who are moving a movement, not actually trying to have a good- faith give and take with you. yes, ma'am? >> mr. mccarthy, it is a pleasure to be here with you today. there are some comments that secretary clinton made last summer, where she said this administration would use old- fashioned techniques of peer pressure and shading to prevent any kind of -- peer pressure and shaming to prevent any kind of phobia. a tipping point where there is enough knowledge, enough anger, enough proof for us to stop this, a kind of at what point can we turn the tables? -- for us to stop this, kind of

at what point can we turn the tables? >> when it gets to the government on citizen, that is a big problem. in my office, which i was very proud to work out for almost 20 years, the will of the road was that the government spoke when it was ready to charge somebody -- the rule of the road was that the government spoke when it was ready to charge somebody. i think it is wrong for government. government has lawful procedures in order to repress people that deserve to be repressed as a matter of law. if they have not violated the laws, just exhibiting their rights, iovernk theent ought to stay out of it. ere was the guy down in

florida who was born in the koran -- who was burning the koran, and that was creating a violent reaction in afghanistan. a senator and general petraeus have a lot to say about the guy down in florida -- have a lot to say about the guy down in florida -- and general petraeus had a lot to say. e guy had a right to do it. i think what we ought to be more focused on is people who think it is ok to commit mass murder over the burning of a book rather than the burning of the book, so, you know, i think that is wrong. in terms of how far we are going to go, i think there is going to be movement on the o.i.c.'s

reso and as i understand it, the administration has been supportive of this process, to try to do an end around the first amendment in a way that would enable it to crack down on commentary about islam. now, i do not want to get riled up about that until i see exactly what they're going to try to do. some of this may be like what they are doing just to keep the temperature down and try to keep good relations, but some of it may be substantive and serious. i think that is the thing to keep an eye on, what happens with that resolution. yes, ma'am? >> what to do to prevent this,

because what people say can be inflammatory. >> how do we prevent them from being radicalized if -- radicalized? >> for example, the burning of mosques or killing other people. >> i made a living out of this for a long time. there is a difficult line between free speech and incentives.

those people ought to be prosecuted. i do not think it should be because a bunch of lunatics think it is right to commit mass murder over what in our society would be slight that are so insignificant that they are not worth mentioning. >> you disagree about the connection. >> if you have got a lunatic somewhere who wants to bring a koran to call attention to himself, -- who wants to burn a koran to call attention to himself, that is kind of what

the first amendment is about. ever and again, someone is going to do something very provocative, may be insensitive to the point of being in human, -- maybe insensitive to the point of being inhuman. yes, sir? >> i have a slightly tricky question. to follow up on the smallness -- >> before you continue, what i meant was that component of it when you look at the totality of what sharia would deal with, i did not mean to say it was

small in the sense that it would be something to be dismissed. >> ok, i am inclined to think that they are. that muslims. how is it possible to be a good muslim and not be in favor of sharia law? >> there are wide interpretations of islam, and there is a courageous effort underway to try to re-enter the aggressive passages and put them in historical context that that was for them, but that is not for now. >> do you see any success with that?

>> the practice of islam in indonesia i very different than the practice of islam, generally speaking, in saudi arabia. let me tell you something else from my own experience as a prosecutor, and doing terrorism cases. i think the big divide in the islamic community in america is between the rank and file muslims and the leadership of many of the mosques and many community centers. when we needed cooperation from the islamic community in conducting our investigation, we generally got it. now, it came with caveats. most specifically that people did not want it to be known that they cooperated with us, but as long as we assured them that that did not have to be found out, they were pretty cooperative, and the reason they were worried about that was not always violence. i think there is always part of

that when you are dealing with a terrorism investigation, that is sort of the nature of the beast, but what they were most concerned about was being ostracized in their communities, and the reason for that i think is that the rank and file people in the communities tended to be american people who happened to be muslim. the leadership at the mosques and community centers are very often influenced by muslim brotherhood, very often have come from overseas, and were preaching a much more fiery version of islam than the people in the community might have felt comfortable with, even if they did not feel comfortable speaking up and objecting. i think it is a complicated situation, but first of all, i am not a muslim. i do not think it is for me to say what is authentic islam. and if we are talking about something as simple as these guys say two pluswo is four,

and these guys are trying to say it is really five, then, yes, i think you can say it is a black- and-white issue and that these as it happens, we are dealing with a comnity of millions, and they have many different interpretations of islam, and there are many places where it is practiced in a way where it is very benign, and the explos parts of the scripture are seemingly irrelevant. that does not mean that they are there. we are seeing this in indonesia right now. things are going in the wrong direction, and that is worrisome. i do not feel either confident or comfortable telling somebody who interprets islam in a way that says that i do not need to follow these injunctions, and i can, regardless of what classical sharia says, i can

separate my life from society. i do not feel i should tell the person they are wrong about islam. >> i appreciate it. >> yes? >> thank you. i am curious if you can address some criticism about michele bachmann. she posted on her web sites, and then went on a conservative radio show to talk about it, and that sort of undermines their claim -- she posted on her website. they are oyour wsite.

>> i know they are on her web site, but i do not know that is how they originally got publicized. if they were publicized, then it would be better to put them on the website. but i would be speculating. >> i believe they were first published on her website. >> i do not know. >> you indicated that huma abedin works with a journal. is that available online? >> was it online. -- online? frank is saying it is on line.

>> can you talk more about the aped in that publication? >>it is very similar, from what i have seen it, and this is a journal that goes back to the late 1970's, and i have seen i do not know how representative of a sample, but five or six differt additions may be, -- six diffent editions. there is a lot of talk in what i am seemed about muslim minority communities particularly in the west, which is interesting because it is an issue that is greatly important to a sheik.

i do not think thiis his characterization, but it has been called voluntary apartheid, and the idea is that muslims move into western countries or countries at least that are not muslim countries, and they get a toehold in an enclave, and then the idea would be that more and more move into the enclave, and then you put pressure on the carpet to be allowed to conduct your affairs under -- put pressure on the government to be allowed to conduct your affairs under sharia. the muslim authority in the enclave. that is one of the bank's strategy is for spreading islam in europe, and it has worked frighteningly well in a number of places.

there was the prime minister of turkey who said he considered assimilation that they assimilate in the west to be a crime against humanity, so it is a very big imperative to be allowed first to get it physical toehold in a place, get that to be bigger, and then establish a precedent that they have islam o'clock, and from what i have seen in the journals, there has been some stuff about that. -- a precedent that they have is monica lot -- they have islamic law, and from what i've seen in the journals, there has been some stuff about that. >> -- >> i sort of hope they do not.

you do not want to right something that is wrong with something that is wars. the most appropriate way for this to be investigated is for congress to investigate it, and i think the way that these five representatives went about it, asking for the inspector general to start looking into it and report back to congress was really a good way to go, because an inspector general in an agency, especially if he or she does the job right, has the capacity to conduct a, the investigation without bumping into the mission left, right, and center. sometimes they decide they need to investigate something right now.

you might find out what you need to know. anyway, thank you very much. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] >> let me just thank him for what i to submit it was going to be an extraordinary drill down on the problem -- thank him for what i thought was going to be an extraordinary drill-down on the problem. this is from four very other tip when shall people in the intelligence community. -- very other influential people in the intelligence community.

thank you very much. this evening on c-span, a discussion on what is known as stan your lot -- stand to ground laws. ne gingrich joins us to talk about the 2012 race. that is at 8:0030 a.m. eastern on "washington journal," also on c-span -- that is act -- at 8:30 a.m. eastern. >> i had no idea. despite all the time i am spent in germany, i had not spent a

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form is everything matters. isthis year's forum everything matters. no single element can enhance safety on its own. things are ire a ct efeing else, ande must work together, just as a crew must work together. everything matters. fo t ntwo days, we will look at some of those into relationships and how they matter to this association and the industry at large. we have informative and thought- provoking panelists. are the regulatory structures today up to the task in today's environment? we will be talking about airport wildlife and other issues to see how we can make the airport environment safer.

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condition of the aircraft, flight schedules, and so much more, and for the airline pilots association international, everything matters when it comes to advancing aviation safety. it is not just the job. it is a moral imperative. the pilots and staff at work in our air safety organizations, safety, security, and pilots assistance areas, and with others related to those areas, they are dedicated to carrying out this mission, and as you saw in this video, our association is involved in every facet of aviation safety. the international air transport association recently reported that last year's accident rate was the lowest in aviation history. according to iata, the 2011

global accident rate was equivalent to one accident every 2.7 million flights. this represents a 39%, 39%, drop compared to 2010, when the previous mark was set. i am proud to say we have accomplished a great deal in the areas of safety, security, and pilot assistance. i would like to highlight the most significant achievements. we will start with an enhanced screening process for u.s. airline pilots and flight attendants. the success of the initiative, which is due in large part to the coordination of airlines, government can be mentioned --

and measured in the following statistics. more than 3500 screenings take place each day utilizing the program. no crew member has facilitated more than 500,000 pilot entries through security since august 2011 when the program was launched. crew maker sites are now operational at 18 u.s. airports with 31 total airports expected by the end of the year. flight crew members at 28 airlines have access to this enhanced screening process. another issue at the top of the agenda in both the united states and canada is a pilot fatigue. we have advocated for updated, science based pilot fatigue

rules. as a result, i am pleased to report deregulations for pilot flight and duty time and rest requirements were released in december. -- new regulations for pilot flight and duty time and rest requirements were released in december. as you know, the rule excludes all cargo airlines from mandatory compliance. this is absolutely unacceptable. alpa has redouble our efforts to promote one level of safety for all airline operations. to that end, alpa has launched a campaign at protecting all airline pilots equally against fatigued. today alpa advocates and staff have made more than 400 visits to congressional offices as part

of this effort. in addition, our members have spent more than 600 messages to their elected representatives in strong support of the safe skies act of 2012. this legislation was introduced with bipartisan support in the houses of congress earlier this year. the safe skies pact achieves one level of safety by ensuring that all pilots are protected by science based rest requirements regardless of whether they fly passengers or cargo. if enacted, the bill would direct the u.s. department of transportation to apply the federal aviation administration's new regulations to all cargo operations in the same way they currently apply to passenger operations. at this time, i would like to

thank u.s. representatives and senators for their commitment to aviation safety and leadership in introducing and moving this legislation forward. up in canada, the transport fatigue working group completed its work late last year. the group, which is cochaired by , president was charged with creating recommendations for change. since august 2010, and they met on a monthly basis until their final meeting in december 2011. the cochairs have submitted their report using the group's recommendations and it will be on the agenda at the technical

committee meeting this october. and then transport canada will take the report along with public comments and review them for a regulatory consideration. now, you have my word, the airline pilots association will continue to be fully engaged for safety for all types of flights across the airline industry in the united states and canada. the success of programs like known crew maker _ the success in utilizing a success and based approach in safety and security. we continue to advocate for an adoption of this approach because it will enhance security making air transportation more customer friendly for airline transportation, more customer friendly -- more friendly for passengers and shippers. it will ensure they continue to

fuel the nation's economy and provide jobs. in the united states, we have worked closely over the years from the highest levels of safety for air transportation systems. many of our efforts have been tied to the funding of the agency. i am happy to report this year we have a long-term reauthorization bill through 2015. this bill signed into law after 23 extensions. faa reauthorization advances many of alpa's priorities including advancing next generation initiatives, enhancing runway safety, making laser attacks on an aircraft a federal crime. improving the safety of lithium battery shipments by air. strengthening voluntary aviation

safety data protections, studying the feasibility of installing flight back doors or alternatives on all cargo aircraft. supporting critical aviation safety research. at the air line pilots association we find when we work together, we achieve outstanding results. at alpa we are uniquely positioned to bring our industry stakeholders to gather to keep focus on issues critically important to the aviation safety mission. using the air safety form as a model, we have held a series of highly successful conferences each devoted to one specific issue. last october, alpa and airlines for america co-sponsored a conference on the growing

problem of laser illumination of aircraft cockpits. in january we kick off the new year by organizing the and hosting a symposium on aviation safety action programs. the current challenges, the trends in these vitally important safety reporting programs. in march of a seized the opportunity to galvanize industry efforts to combat pilot fatigue. we held a landmark conference where participants explore the actions necessary to build on these new safety regulations. in april, alpa posted a full day conference in closing the gaps in safety and security. last month, alpa posted a one- day conference on pilot training, which was sponsored by general electric.

each of these conferences drew a wide range of attendees from alpa safety representatives and their peers, from other labor groups to legislators, to representatives of several u.s., canadian, and european government agencies, and airline managements, law- enforcement and military officers, and news reporters, academics. the level of interest in these issues underscores the point that when it comes to aviation safety, we are stakeholders. there are a few initiatives i would like to highlight. in april, we submitted comments to the faa outlining the association's view on the notice of proposed rulemaking on pilot certification and qualification requirements for air carrier

operations. alpine actively participated on the role committee that recommended many of the recommendations in this. injun the house subcommittee approved funding for a human motivation steady. this is a highly successful collaboration between the faa, air carriers, and pilot representatives. while we're talking about facts and figures, here is an important one. the long-term success rate under the hems program is 85% to 90%. by approving funding, the committee -- the committee allowed it to continue to operate for another three year cycle. also in jim, we created the special alpa president's

committee for remote operations chaired by first air captain peter black. several carriers conduct this kind of operation with their pilots routinely flying in the high arctic and other remote locations in the far northern areas of canada and the united states. earlier this year we had the opportunity to see some of these pilots in action. they are true professionals in everything they do. they operate in a harsh, unpredictable environment using unpaved runways, making approaches with basic non precision navigation aids. it is another step toward alpa's long the goal of safety and security for airline operations. the primary focus will be to address the challenges that professional alpa overcome on a daily basis during operations in

the arctic and similar regions. as you can see in the years since last came together, we have accomplished a great deal. there is always more to do. in the work of alpa continues in many friends. i would like to highlight strategic priorities going forward. one of our goals is improve the safety and standards for the carriage of dangerous goods, especially the carriage of lithium batteries. our position is clear. lithium batteries and represent an unmade -- unmitigated hazard and must be regulated. we were able to get the international civil safety organization to adopt technical and its -- instructions, which alpa is working toward

standards. we also continue to press the department of transportation for a pensa or regulation regarding the carriage of lithium batteries. another key aspect of one level of safety is the safe integration of unmanned aircraft systems, or as they are now being called a remotely piloted aircraft into the national airspace. our key message here is all aircrafts in the airspace where we fly must meet the same safety standards that we currently do,. . it does not matter if a pilot is on a conventional flight deck or sitting on a control station in the ground. high safety standards must be established, and they have to apply to everyone in the airspace.

alpa is a member of the rulemaking committee on committeertca special committee developing standards and will continue to participate in those groups to advance this goal. as part of our continued advocacy of a risk-based approach -- approach to security, alpa will continue to press to action to respond to the successful federal flight best officer program. this is a highly cost-efficient program in which we are trained to protect their flight deck as a federal law enforcement officers. it serves as a key component of a multilayered approach to aircraft security. we will continue to work closely with the tsa and the federal air marshal service and the congress

to resolve issues that have an impact on the program's overall integrity. we will also continue to urge action to advance threatened airspace management so the air transportation system is positioned to swiftly respond to potential security threats. to end a laser attacks on aircraft, to improve security of all cargo operations by doing more to secure the flight deck by installing secondary barriers on aircraft and on cargo aircraft that do not have fortified flight deck doors. by adding a full protections for all domestic airports serving all cargo operations. incorporating fingerprint based criminal history checks for all persons with unescorted access

to cargo aircraft and the goods they carry. by mandating training for flight crews in the all cargo common strategy. and improving the system's and use of technology for the screening of cargo loaded on all cargo aircraft. we will also continue our partnership with the tsa to expand the known crew maker program to make it available to all airline pilots and flight attendants. in canada, alpa is a strong supporter of the restricted access identity card, or rate program. we urge this continued implementation. alpa continues to work relating to modernizing the international airspace system in which we operate. many who are involved in the

implementation of next generation initiatives are getting frustrated with the pace of progress. as that frustration grows, it will be important for us to remain the honest broker in sharing procedures implemented to increase capacity and do not adversely affect safety or pilot workloads. in the area of pilot assistance, alpa is working to ensure all airlines have standards programs. alpa has participated in a row making committee to address professional development and conduct. we expect that the public advisory and rulemaking guidance for programs to address these issues. this guidance will serve as a basis for fostering professional standards programs for both united states and canadian airlines. in addition, alpa recently

published a white paper to address the issue of occupational safety and health. it highlights the need for a dedicated division with both the faa and transport canada to focus on these issues. this white paper will be used as a basis to approach both agencies to ask for government support of the programs to promote pilot health and safety. when it comes to aviation safety missions, by every measure we are making real progress. the statistics do not come out of nothing. they are the result of a collective effort and constructive partnerships with all stakeholders, legislators, and regulators. manufacturers and operators. and other employee groups and labor unions. many of our partners are taking

part of the safety forum this week. i want to thank you. our panelists, our sponsors, and our exhibitors for helping make the event such a success and for working with alpa to advance our mutual goals. now, it is my great pleasure to introduce our keynote speaker, the honorable john pistole. in this role, he oversees management of a 60,000 strong workforce. the security operations of more than 450 federalized airports throughout the united states, the federal air marshal service, and the security for highways, railroads, ports, mass transit systems, and pipelines. under his leadership, tsa

continues to grow as a risk- based intelligence driven counter-terrorism agency dedicated to protecting our transportation systems. administrator pistole came as a 26-year veteran of the fbi with extensive national security and counterterrorism experience. after the 911 terrorist attacks, he was put in charge of the fbi's greatly expand a counterterrorism programs. eventually he became the fbi's executive assistant and director for counter-terrorism and counterintelligence. in 2004 he was named a deputy director for the fbi. he has fled or been involved in several high-profile investigations, including the attempted car bombing in times

square in 2010, the december 25, 2009 attempted attack on a northwest flight to 53. the plot against the new york city subways in 2009. the 2006 u.k. liquid explosives plot. the may 2003 suicide bombings of three housing compounds in saudi arabia in which 35 people died, including nine americans. he began his career as a special agent with the fbi in 1983 serving in the minneapolis and divisions before his promotion to supervisor in the organized crime section at fbi headquarters in washington d.c.. in 1999 as an assistant special agent in charge in boston, he

helped lead the investigation and recovery efforts for the egypt air 990 crash of the coast of rhode island. in 2007 he received the award for outstanding professionalism and exemplary integrity. he is a recipient of the 2005 presidential rank award for distinguished executive at service. since his confirmation in july 2010, administrator pistole has been one of our most important partners. through his leadership, these became a reality. the success of known crew make it -- known crew member is a result of collaboration with the tsa. last month the tsa to the

program to the next level when it announced flight attendants can participate in the program. alpa has been a strong proponent for including flight attendants. we fully support their participation in the program. administrator pistole embodies many qualities we have come to rely on heavily when we advance aviation safety and security goals. since i became president of alpa we have developed a constant dialogue. he is honest and accessible. he is always open to include alpa and come to us for our expertise and help. he is the precise type of leadership that washington needs, especially at this time. on behalf of alpa we value and appreciate his commitment to our industry and profession and members. ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the honorable john pistole,.

[applause] >> thank you. i appreciate it. thank you for the gracious invitation. i would be interested in knowing if you run for congress, and i would like to vote for you early and often. it is a great partnership here is a privilege to be here to address you as i did last year. a lot has happened in the last year. i would like to highlight some of the security aspects and challenges we collectively face in our missions to provide the most effective security to help promote the free movement of people and goods worldwide. the three challenges i would like to focus on are the threat that we see, the security challenges to passenger airlines, and the second which is related to the all cargo

carriers. the third is more a tsa issue in terms of the strengthening of the tsa work force, professionalizing the work force to try to provide the most effective security and in the most professional and efficient way. the context for this year's conference in terms of the threat environment, let's start with passengers. it was three months ago that we saw the second attempt to bring down an airliner from a plot out of yemen. this was the second plot using in improvised device that was a new and innovative design and concealment technique similar to the christmas day attentive 2009. but with a different type of explosive involved and a different initiation and

detonation system that had a backup system to overcome what was perceived as the failings of the christmas day plot in 2009. but for the extraordinary intelligence crew that foreign intelligence security services coupled with the u.s. government work, but for that extraordinary work, and that individual who turned out to be a double agent for the security services would have possibly been successful in his attempt to insert that person with a suicide bomb into the global supply chain, presumably on a flight coming to the united states as his instructions were. these threats continued. we see them eve of thing. we see that changing. the fact they use a new type of explosive is indicative there are going to school of what they

believe are new techniques are. we have to be predictive as to what the threats are and how we can stay at least a half step ahead of the threats. in response to this threat we have rick calibrated our protection equipment across the united states -- recalibrate to our protection equipment and have encouraged our partners to do the same. we have also had our canines out there going through the process of reprinting their detection capabilities for this new type of explosive to ensure a canine might pick up on this type of cent. we see this ongoing challenge of dealing with the evolving threat, particularly coming out of yemen. we know there are other situations around the world where they have the destruction

of a u.s. airline coming to the u.s., a passenger or cargo, and being their top priority and being the gold standard for them to prove they can cause us harm. we only have to look back to the yemen cargo plot from the fall of 2010 and the following propaganda that they put out to inspire where the front cover said $4,800, that is all it costs them to devise the two bombs that were being shipped to chicago. the billions of dollars in disruptions to the global supply chain and the recess -- resulted from that partially because of the regulatory action we took inserting a ban on cargo coming out of yemen at that time. the unintended consequences that resulted from that,

particularly as it related to the movement of mail and parcels around the world. looking back at that, we realize we have had this series of events going back to 911. prior to that in 1995 with the multiple airlines coming from southeast asia. the continuation with the schumann and the liquids plot in august of 06. the continuation with 2009. the car a plot of 2010. this most recent one end of april early may of 2012. those are the ones that have succeeded to the point of being a plot against the united states. we are aware of two suicide bombers in the fall of 2004 on flights out of moscow with --

within 90 minutes of each other bringing down two airliners. we believe because of an insider issue that these two when -- women brought down two airliners. that is something we see continuing. the challenge for tsa and alpa and everyone interested in safety and security of passengers and cargo as it relates to the united states is what is going on here. the intelligence is such that there is no credible information as it relates to individuals trying to get on an aircraft here today and one of the 450 commercial airports we have the responsibility of providing security. our concern -- it is a concern i had been overseeing the counter-terrorism efforts is not so much to those that we know who are on no-fly lists who should not be flying the, or

those who have some association with terrorism and who we believe deserve additional scrutiny at the check. if they are trying to fly, those are not the ones who caused me the greatest concern. it is those we do not know about who have been radicalized on the internet as we see a number of individuals here have been. those who have acquired the knowledge, the skills whether with the chemistry background or whatever. if they are reading the anarchist cookbook online. whatever it is that allows them to improvise and explosive device that they can conceal any carry-on bag or in their check back or perhaps shipping something on cargo. how we can work in partnership with you as part of the u.s. national security efforts where tea as a is at one end of the continuing and the other is

helping inform our daily actions. every day senior leadership team of tsa starts with a briefing saying here is what they are thinking in terms of how they might go a about causing us harm. that is the challenge that we face. as it relates to cargo, i mentioned the 2010 plot because we have seen al qaeda being interested in bringing down any aircraft coming to the united states or within the united states. we believe layers of security that we have here in the united states clearly serve as a deterrent. we know that from classified intersex and reporting. we believe the latest security we have here is a deterrent. how do we work with our international partners at the over 275 coming to the united states, particularly as it relates to passenger and cargo.

how can we insure their standards are such we can have the highest level of confidence that there is not a terrorist being able to exploit vulnerability overseas. there is a number of efforts on going in that regard. one of the key take away from that yemen cargo plot in october 2010 was the initiative and innovation of -- innovation of industry to step up and do a risk mitigation assessment and do steps beyond regulatory actions to ensure the best possible security for their worldwide cargo supply chain. so it goes way beyond what we have in terms of any emergency amendments or security directives and regulatory action. recognizing as you do it is in your best interest to provide effective security in the most efficient way. how can we do that in a

partnership worldwide? there are a number of initiatives on going as we address that. one of the key aspects in terms of mitigation, when we talk about all this is a risk mitigation and risk management as we do every day in our personal lives. we're not talking about trying to eliminate risk. as we did after the human cargo plot as i mentioned, shutting down all cargo coming out of yemen. that is one way to deal with it. there are a lot of costs associated with that. how can we work together to mitigate or manage risk in an informed fashion? two things we are doing as it relates to cargo, which are building on the industry initiatives they have taken in the u.s. to address the vulnerabilities are the air cargo advanced screening initiative we have with customs and border protection, an

industry that is coming down to the notion of, who can we identify as a known shipper and known shipment, and how can we get in advanced informations about the cargo shipments at the earliest possible opportunity so we can take mitigation steps including the additional screening of individual parcels or pallets at the point of departure or even sooner. there is an industry initiative looking at what they describe as a virtual departure that involves additional industry involvement to say that even though tsa does not have regulatory authority over the other airports the fly to the united states, how can they work in concert with our standards to say that there is security being provided at the virtual places. that is something we are interested in exploring to make an assessment of how we can

partner and leverage our responsibilities and opportunities to address some of the challenges. that is the current threat context we are working with. the threats are real and the stakes are high. how do we continue our collaborative efforts. let me talk a little bit about risk-based security. rbs as we call it in tsa, the initiatives include the known crew member program, which was something that i saw when i came in as administrator as one of the key opportunities for expanding an existing program in three airports to the point of differentiating between who gets on an aircraft. -- because we know and trust them. if we do not trust pilots to get a safely from point a to point b 20,000 times a day until the u.s., i am not sure what we would all be doing.

informed of mmy my experience we i traveled armed everytime i traveled on business and would simply go to the ticket counter and show my credentials, fill out a form, the ticket agent would sign it. i would show my credentials. a law-enforcement officer in many airports would then sign that. i would sign a leo book and get on the flight armed. we are already distinguishing between both passengers and the pilots, flight crew in some respects. we know and trust people for what ever reason. that is what rbs is about. how come we provide the security in the most efficient way. in terms of the expansion, we

are currently in 18 airports and will be in 31 airports by the end of the year, perhaps even a little bit sooner. that is a significant savings for tsa to say, how can we be spending any time other than screenings with pilots and flight attendants and the entire flight crew, why should we be spending time physically screening them when we trust them with our lives to get from point a to point b? we look forward to that continued partnership and applaud alpa in terms of that initiative working with us to allow us to focus our time and efforts on those we know the least about, all we know is a name, date of birth and gender under its secured flight. the second part of rbs is a tsa precheck program, something recognizing that the more we know about people, the more they

volunteer information about themselves either through frequent-flier programs or through the customs and borders protection global entry program, then the better judgments we can make ahead of time before anybody ever gets to the actual checkpoint. so we do prescreening of those people who volunteer information about themselves. in most instances we will allow them to go through a screening with a dedicated line. i was in indianapolis yesterday. a great facility. the second largest cargo area for fed ex in the country. announcing the expansion of the tsa pre check as the 21st airport that we have brought on line in conjunction and partnership with the airlines, with the airport authority, and all of those who have a vested interest in that. the plan is -- we are still on schedule to expand free check to 35 airports by the end of the

year. if you have not seen it demonstrated or have gone through it yourself in some capacity, it most airports there is a dedicated line. we allow passengers to keep their shoes on, belts on, flight jacket on, keep jal in their bag in their carry-on along with their laptop. in most instances they would go through a walk through metal detector. it greatly improves the efficiency for us because when you get more people through an expedited fashion because we have done a prescreening, and then the opportunity is for us to spend more time again with those on the watch list. those who may identify as needing additional scrutiny. the project program is something that we are embracing wholeheartedly. let's get away from that one size fits all constructs, using a risk based intelligence driven

approach. let's focus on higher risks because we know the least about the other travelers. since we started tsa precheck we have had over 2 million passengers go through. there is strong bipartisan support on the hill for the precheck program and rbs overall. the only complaints i have heard is why not more airports sooner. we're trying to be very deliberate. we want to make sure we are getting it right. the process and protocols are in place. there have been some questions about whether this is an international program. right now it is just a u.s. domestic program. we are in discussions with others. i had a meeting last week with my counterparts from the european union, canada, and australia discussing a number of different issues in anticipation of the civil organization --

next month in montreal. there are a number of issues coming out from that meeting. one that we talked about is the possible expansion of rbs principles and policies internationally and would there be reciprocity. does that mean you can go through pre check and fly through the eu, canada and australia and they would upset you? that would be the case. would we accept them coming here based on a prescreening they have done or what ever they -- whatever program they set up. there is a continuing interest and dialogue about that. we will look more at that in 2013 to see what the possibilities may be. other aspects involve the other groups of people 10 and 12 and under recognizing they are not terrorist but could be used like terrorist. we afford them a different type of screening. everybody still goes through

some type of screening whether a prescreening that i mentioned earlier or the physical screening that is involved. 12 and under, 75 and older recognizing that there may be some terrorists -- there are some people on the terrorist watch list over 75. in all of for them additional screening if we believe there are -- most of these people are fund-raisers from decades ago. i believe little if any threat to civil aviation. members of the military, we have initiated them into the program both in terms of pilot airports to airports where we provide the expedited precheck screening using the common access card. we're trying to move away from that card where you need a simple card reader to do a list based approach to what we do at

pre check, and getting the information in the bar code for those trusted passengers. world war ii veterans coming back to the memorial, obviously we believe them to be known and trusted. we provided a different type of security for them. there are other trusted groups. those who we know a lot about either because of their employment, their work a background and examples there include the u.s. intelligence community, those at the top security clearances, as we trust which our nation's secrets and recognizing that there is no guarantee in any of this. we can all find any inception in these groups, but, yes, that is a bad person. we will always keep random and unpredictable as part of the screening. is not a right but a privilege to go through the pre check process which we can provoke any

time. we had several people go through were they forgot they were carrying a firearm. those people are no longer part of the pre check program. is something we have to have some focus on in terms of how we move forward identifying those we can know and trust. let me move on in terms of with rbs as we look to expand that, we are in discussions with the pilot industry and our own folks to sit, how can we expand the project population? the idea is even though we had 2 million people go through and we anticipate additional 1 million people perhaps each month for the rest of the year out of the population going through as we scant -- expand the number of airports, we are interested in identifying those people who perhaps are not the least frequent fliers or do not have a

passport so they would not qualify for the global entry program, but who may be willing to pay a fee not necessarily to us but to a private provider to have some kind of background assessment done. and then to provide that information to us, the airlines provide that information to us through some mechanism that would allow us to identify them as known or trusted travelers. that is something we are working on. we will see what happens through the rest of this year. we mention that as a way of trying to expand the trusted population as we continue on. moving on to the third. i mentioned, strengthening the tea as a work force, -- tsa workforce, one is we traded a tsa academy, those coming from the fbi and the military academy. recognizing the benefit of

having an academy where new hires can train, have a sense of ownership in the broader context. we do not have money from congress to build a tsa academy so we are using the federal law enforcement training since -- center in georgia where space is available. there is a small sign that says tsa academy where we are starting training. we're starting with their supervisors who are on the front lines there with the transportation security officers. i believe they are critical at any kind of going through a significant change that they be empowered and insure that they have all the tools they need to help drive the change that we're going through at tsa. we started with the first several classes of supervisors. we will complete training for all supervisors in the next year and a half. the key as to how they can then have the leadership skills.

some have have leadership training and some have not. all of those things important for a supervisor to be able to get feedback to the workforce and to focus on that change, both in terms of risk based security which is a paradigm shift and also as we embark on a new collective bargaining agreement, a historical agreement we have, and negotiations concluded on that last week. as we moved forward with the union to say, here is how we need to go about business with these two major drivers of change to help professionalize the workforce. the key is, how we provide the most effective security in the most efficient way? one of the other things we are doing is providing training for every single security officer in tactical communications. simple techniques for how to the

escalate a confrontational situation so that a number of these officers that have not had these kind of training, if you engage a passenger who is up set for what ever reason, how do you d escalate that and still get the job done in terms of the security mission, and do it in a professional way that helps defuse whatever tension is there and try to work through that in a professional way. we have trained 35,000 of our officers in that training. we will continue that over the next several months. let me move on. there are a number of different initiatives we have. my three expectations for every tsa employee is hard work, professionalism, and integrity. when we fall short of that which we do sometimes, there has been some in the news about security officers stealing from checkpoints are passengers or doing things not professional, then we take steps to address

that. last year we created an office of professional responsibility that handles misconduct cases like it. in a uniform consistent manner so that if somebody at lax and somebody at jfk does something similar, we have a table of penalties with three categories. one is if they are mitigated certification -- mitigating circumstances, one of there is no aggravated circumstances. if you do this and you are found guilty, i did you have a pretty good sense of here is with the adjudication of that will be. in still some more confidence into the workforce in terms of moving forward. that is something that and i was doing in town halls two years ago when i came in. i heard a lot of concerns about

the arbitrariness and lack of consistency in terms of the adjudication. the last. i would like to make is on the way forward. -- the last point is where i see things going in terms of our partnership and security. first, we want to expand the rbs principles and policies in a way that i described earlier. i would love alpa's and put to that. we want to continue expanding that population. we are looking at different possibilities in terms of what a checkpoint of the future might look like. i have strongly been promoting a checkpoint of the future, which we have a lot of interesting.

we think it is a good idea. it is intriguing at how that will be accomplished. right now the technology from integrated solutions to walk through one check. if he will that would detect all types of threats is not there. but we are interested and i have talked to the industry about that in terms of their initiatives and innovations that can get beyond the spiral development of normal technology development to get to a breakthrough technology in terms of detection of multiple types of threats. that is what we are interested in. in the meantime while they work on those solutions, we believe that rbs is incorporated into many principles of the checkpoint of the future by checking people before they get to the checkpoint and having different levels of security screening afforded based on what we know. very similar principle there. we endorse that.

the last point is, the partnership with alpa will continue to be a key enablers and what we are doing in the tsa to provide the most effective security. i want to thank you. we want to work together to ensure the best possible movement of people and goods with the best security possible. with that, thank you for your time and attention this morning. thank you. [applause] >> we have time for just a couple of questions this morning. if you would go to the microphone, we will start right here. >> going about the tsa's enw approach, this is a --

[unintelligible] >> thank you. it is a paradigm shift. we are really redefining who tsa is and how we go about executing missions. everybody was trained that anybody can be a terrorist. we have to treat each person accordingly so there has been an educational process with the workforce. particularly with the leadership, the federal security directors to often in -- integrate this and a drive this change. that is why i do a number of town hall meetings to try to communicate what is the reason behind rbs and initiatives. there is the internal

stakeholders. alpa has been a great supporter of promoting known crew member. we appreciate that. the interest on the hill is keen. the industry, i was coming back from indianapolis just today and i saw united magazine in the pocket their. there was an article called "tsa precheck," and is a strong endorsement of what we are trying to do. it is that engagement and partnership. this is all a partnership. we would not be able to do this without the partnership. >> we have time for two more. we will go back over here and come back this way. >> i wanted to ask you real quick. he said as a result of your fbi experience you were not

concerned with the people under investigation for a terrorist related activity. law enforcement us about these people before they reach the airport. is it the tsa's responsibility or another organization pose a responsibility to identify the terrorist or terrorist sympathizers who may be radicalized or maybe sleepers. could you comment on the government was a success on identifying these individuals? >> first it is concerned citizens who may know about somebody, see something say something. the local police who may do a traffic stop our response to a domestic situation where they come across information or something that is of concern. the primary responsibility from the federal government is with the fbi task forces.

over 100 a run the country comprised of state and local police and all types of others including tsa marshals in most instances. is that shared responsibility to identify those terrorists on the first instance. if we have to rely on not having anything identified prior to a checkpoint, it makes our job much more difficult. as we know, terrorists -- we have to get it right every time. that is why we say risk-based is risk management and risk mitigation, not risky elimination. we rely on the other agencies. the best two examples is the most recent underwear plot from three months ago and the cargo plots where it was intelligence that led to the elimination of those two cargo packages and the individual who was under cover.

it allows us to do the best possible job here. >> i am phil marshall. i have done a seven-year investigation into the 9/11 attack. . you keep mentioning the underwear bomb and all of these. in that report, the 2002 congressional joint inquiry report that senator bob -- bob gramm headed, he recently filed a suit against the saudi arabian government. they had 80 pages worth of evidence on the saudi team that was in the united states who were out in the arizona desert straining for the 9/11 mission. i am curious why you did not mention that. >> there are a lot of things i could have mentioned this morning that went way beyond my

limited remarks. 15 of the 19 hijackers were saudi arabian. they took steps after the 2003 bombing. they took steps to address both al qaeda operating out of the arabian peninsula and the fund- raising that took place at enter the kingdom. it took a number of steps to address that. there are a lot of things i could have talked about. the focus is on, how do we move forward giving the context of the prior plots. what have we learned from them and how can we work in partnership to best present that. >> that is all for the questions. thank you so much for talking with us today and taking time to take questions. [applause] now i will turn it over. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] [captioning performed by national captioning institute]

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