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presidential debates wednesday, october 3 -- the first of the president of debate wednesday, october 3. next, we look at the environmental policies of u.s. policies followed by a look at the supreme court's upcoming 2013 term and a look at the supreme court's latest term from 2011 and 2012. then hate crimes and domestic extremism. >> when i first came down to washington, i did not know what an i.g. did. we will occasionally run into their law enforcement arm. i started a mortgage fraud unit and i was dealing with the inspector general from h.u.d. i did not know the big picture of what an i.g. was doing.

when i first garden, the first thing i did was meet the i.g.'s. -- started, the first thing i did was to meet been i.g.'s. they are supposed to be looking for waste, fraud, and abuse. those are the words in their statutes. their number one concern is how to preserve their budget. they are worried about clashing with management and too much interaction with congress. it was a go along, get along attitude. i kept hearing hearing -- kept hearing the two types of i.g.'s. there was the lap dog and the

junkyard dog. the head of the finance committee oversaw one of my confirmation hearings and said i needed to be more like a junkyard dog. sunday night at 8:00 p.m. on c- span's "q & a." >> theodore roosevelt, richard nixon, and jimmy carter earned ranked as the best presidents for the environment for -- are ranked as the best presidents for the environment. a discussion on environmental policies and past presidents. this is about an hour. >> thank you for coming here today. i am the editor and chief upper corporate knights magazine.

here with me is the editor and founder of corporate knights, toby heaps. prices incorporate social, economic benefits and costs an actors know the benefit of their marketplace actions. it is about the appalling markets the best empower wing - empowering -- empowering markets. this being an election year, we ask ourselves, who is the greatest president in was 3? which commander in chief place regulations -- this year being an election year, we ask ourselves, who is the greenest president?

the air has changed dramatically over the past two centuries. climate change was not an issue during the days of roosevelt' with you are talking teddy or franklin. -- whether you are talking teddy or franklin. when we discussed this project, we were told that there is something slightly arbitrary about the exercise. opinions will differ. that is why we decided to let the experts in the environmental community to do the heavy lifting on this question. we have a first of its kind ranking of the greenest presidents in u.s. his story. in alphabetical order they are, president of the national resources defense council,

executive director of the sierra club, the president of the worldwatch -- the worldwatch institute, the president of the union of concerned scientists, ralph nader, founder of public citizen, erich pica, president of friends of earth, carter roberts, joe romm, publisher of climate progress. each was asked to give us their top three choices. after surveying all 12, we counted up all the points to determine the final ranking. aias -- i asked toby heaps to come up here and tell us the

final rankings. thank you. >> thank you. in the absence of a drum roll, the winner, the top two scoring presidents in u.s. history were both from a party that today is not often linked to the environment. they were original environmentalists in their own right. teddy roosevelt was named the greenest president in u.s. history according to our poll. many people know his leadership record to secure and protect nature in the u.s. over 230 million acres were helped protect -- he helped protect. he was the original conservationist. he protected the environment from industry and from man because he thought that was an important thing to do, for the environment to be around for us

to enjoy and for us to exist. that was a sacred right onto itself. the second winner comes as a surprise to everybody. some environmentalists claimed he did not have a green bone in his body. the second is richard nixon. he laid down the bed rock foundation for modern environmentalism. on his watch, the environmental protection agency was created. drinking water was initiated. substantial enhancements to the clean air act and legislation that framed much of the progress we have been able to make on the environment. third, was jimmy carter. jimmy carter came in with grand ambitions. he put solar panels on the white house ruth's and -- house roof.

mindsned up the nation's to the possibility of achieving clean energy independence. contrast the record of jimmy carter and the person who came after him, ronald reagan. i actually thought that if you looked at the president's and you measure them on impact versus intense, -- at the presidents and measure them on impact versus and sent -- versus intent, ronald reagan helped accelerate the demise of the cold war and brought about the economic collapse of the soviet union and caused greenhouse gas emissions to plunge. indirectly, ronald reagan deserves some responsibility for taken out over 10 billion times

greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. no one called him a climate change crusader, but based on impact, he had a large contribution. it is my honor to segue into introducing the first of our four judges to deliver some comments today. a man who has been a mentor and a great inspiration for presidents and many leaders from around the world and journalists like myself. ralph nader was there in the seminal role to intent -- to instigate an agitate to make it possible for people like richard nixon to be the second greenest president in u.s. history. he was in the carter administration working with those great ambitions. it is my pleasure to introduce probably be greenest u.s.

president agitator and influence are in history, -- influencer in u.s. history, ralph nader. >> thank you mr. heaps. it is great to be here with corporate knights. establishes benchmarks and standards for corporate responsibility it has pioneered benchmarks and standards which, most people know, is not easy to do. you find the criteria and hold the cooperations up to higher standards of performance pleasure to be with the gentleman here who participated in this exercise. history not only teaches us about our past, but it teaches us about our present. that is the importance of this exercise in terms of the greenest u.s. president.

it tells us not only what we have often forgotten about in the past, but provides a framework for try to understand why the pace of environmental progress has slowed down in spite of the enormous capability, technical, and other rationales for it to be accelerated. teddy roosevelt had his own type of message. he was clearly an imperialists. today, we would call him a warmonger. he had a different side to himself. he started out as a sickly child and built himself up physically, overcome enormous obstacles. he developed a love for the wilderness and hiked these areas. there is an empirical content to his subsequent conservation efforts. he was also opposed by the big mining companies, timber

companies. he was opposed by native american tribes who were wary about how much acreage he was taking out of any kind of access to them. they had claimed to those areas as well. he did have some conservationists and he chose some great ones. there was john muir. he got some great media. basically, he was a transformational leader. he was not transactional. he was a transformational leader. we have had very few transformational leader. s. he did not wait for opinion polls or marches or demonstrations. he believed in something called posterity. he had a linear aspect to what he was doing and was, by

today's standards, a competent naturalists. there is a lesson today. it is good to experience the outdoors. it is good to have a sense of prosperity. and it is good to not make excuses for yourself as president, but be a transformational leader, a phrase that came out of a book on leadership, comparing transformational presidents with transactional presidents. turning to richard nixon, with whom i had to contend, we are deep in the drafting of the clean water bill, the clean air bill in the early 1970's. , tomember in the 1960's show you where the environmental movement had to start from, the navy refused to divulge to the

department of interior and the amount of sewage that was pouring out of naval bases in the u.s. when the department of interior, which preceded epa, asked why, the navy said, because our adversaries will be able to determine how many sailors are on the base. that is where they were at. "look"magazine was in a dilemma about its cover story. it wanted to talk about the auto industry, but it did not want to talk about automobile pollution or air pollution at the time. that was considered extremely detrimental to their advertising revenues. within just a few short years, the atmosphere completely changed so that a president who had no interest and no experience in environmental issues became the signer of the

greatest race of environmental laws in our history. with one or two exceptions, he actually did it with a flourish. if you look at his signing statements, they were un-nixon- like. he appointed a good person to head the epa who just passed away. why did he do this? number 1, he feared the rumble from the '60s, the demonstrations, the marches, the empty war movementthe the student rights movement -- the right -- the marches, the war movement, the student rights movement, the civil rights movement. this is important to understand. he was the last american president who was afraid of

liberals. the second was april, 1970. i remember it well. i was in two -- i was in three locations. this is something that senator nelson picked up on and pushed. 20 million people participated in an event that week. there were 1500 events on college campuses alone on that day. it led the evening television news and it was on the cover of time and newsweek, which in those days was a big deal. basically, with students heavily involved, they put the environmental issue on the map and it has never been taken off of the map. nixon saw that and was quite impressed by that. while he was privately reluctant to sign so many regulatory laws , he signed most of them. he vetoed one of them, which was

over written. the occupational safety and health is not considered part of the environmental brace, but it is very much. it affects police in the workplace. it affects particulates, and gases. lung disease was a pollution, a disease. i always put that on the list with epa, clean water, clean air, the council on the white house, and other projects that he signed onto. he was not happy with the pressure for the safe drinking water act of 1974. you could see it was beginning to cool off by then. the industry was counterattacking. the lesson of nixon is, you have got to show these presidents,

democrat and republican, the rumble of the people. it is not enough to have good studies. cognition is not ignition. it requires a fire in the belly and demonstrations and marches that politicians understand all too well because they see something coming over the horizon called new energy. it is new energy that we always have to focus on. new energy is what frightens politicians out of their status quo. that happened with reverend falwell and the christian evangelicals. they demonstrated new energy. on jimmy carter -- and i will stop with jimmy carter. on jimmy carter, there is a bit of a tragedy there. he tried to do so many ground breaking things. solar energy in the white house,

for example. speaking about renewable energy, from the viewpoint of a nuclear engineer, he was quite skeptical about nuclear. he did not quite break with the nuclear industry. he tried to demonstrate how to save energy. he was extremely acute hot energy conservation, far more than today. on energyute conservation, far more today. energy efficiency is the greatest immediate payoff. we, together with canada, are the most wasteful energy consumers on the planet. we have made good progress. in some ways, there is a lot more to go on. what jimmy carter would be fell

jimmy carter was the spike in -- what befell jimmy carter was the spike in oil prices. that was the time where you had to bank -- you had the beginning of the savings and loan bank crisis. that overwhelmed him. he became vulnerable to right- -- right-wingr v character -- caricature very unfair lee. he has done a great deal on health all around -- unfairly. he has done a great deal of health all over the world. he was a jeffersonian president. sometimes the best intentions in the way of doing with the

president wants to do and has significant authority to do. he had a congress that was is amenable to him, but the gas crisis became front and center and he went along with that. we do not look back enough in order to look forward. it is good that c-span is here to give its many viewers a historical context. we are overwhelmed with information bits. we do not have time to take these information bits to the continual toward knowledge and knowledge toward judgment and judgment toward wisdom. history tends to pressure us to do that. i would like to thank corporate knights for giving us an opportunity. another example of how much we need an independent candidate.

thank you. >> thanks very much, ralph. we have the good fortune of having that much of the budget is spent in the survey, the presidents ranking here with us today. i will ask them to come up individually in order and introduce themselves. he said the have a few comments to make. we will start with robert. >> thank you, tyler and toy and corporate knights. thank you for engaging in this exercise. i had not ranked presidents. it is interesting to try to figure out. probably each of us did it in our own way and on our own basis. i will tell you what lessons i derive from it. i was thinking when ralph was

speaking, he drew attention to all of the points i was one to make, so i can make them briefly. it will be interesting in american politics today if, instead of having 44 candidates for the green president, we have 44 candidates for the current president. you could vote for 3 and atop vfot -- your top vote got 3. i raise that point because there may be difficulty getting presidents to be green because of the system we operate. we do not question it too much, but we have a powerful and successful the tea party system. it is difficult to run on a third party basis in this country. we operate with a constitution that was invented by a room full

of white men, many of them slaveholders when the country had a population of about 3 million people, 1% of it has now. i am not disparaging the u.s. constitution. these bases on which we make these judgments on leadership to have a lot to do with the kind of leadership we get and whether they are green or not green. that is what we should thinking about as we head into what are likely to be new times historically. we are at a. that, if history is on target on what we are doing with our global climate and our life forms and our water supplies and our forests and fisheries and our use of energy, we may be entering a different phase of our history, u.s. history and world history in the west of the century.

-- rest of the century. how institutions manage that will be interesting. the presidents and how they manage that transition will be interesting. i suspect one of the interests of corporate knights was to look to some degree at how history approached the green as a president. it was most -- much more bipartisan and contrast that with the issue that the environment has an -- environment has a party divide and whether we should acknowledge that there is an environmental problem. there are steep, star party divides. one of the things i was drawn to about teddy roosevelt, i was glad he got the nod.

roosevelt drew attention to prosperity. his first message to congress -- i do not think they call them state of the union address is at the time -- he took over after president mckinley was assassinated. he went to capitol hill and his first state and was about the need for conservation. he said, we do this not just for ourselves, we do this for future generations. we do this to operate the future in mind and think about future generations. i saw it -- i thought about that during the democratic convention. along among -- alone among the two candidates and among the titian's generally, i was pleased to see that president obama made the point of mentioning future generations in his concession speech. -- in his acceptance speech. being a green president, your

voters are people who are living today. so much of what are doing today will have huge consequences for the future. president obama did not say much about what that would mean in a second obama administration. but the fact that he mentioned it at least was a good sign. i do not think governor brown did in his inspection cities. this idea of working for the future is one that all my three choices could seriously ill- seriously. for the first one, i named thomas the person. the anderson wrote a natural history of the agenda. he was a naturalist. he plotted the first roads on a consulting avenue -- jefferson

wrote a natural history agenda. he applauded the roads on pennsylvania avenue. -- plotted the roads on cancellation avenue -- pennsylvania avenue. my top choice was jimmy carter. for a particular reason that i admire carter for. he was our greatest recent president. he was an unfortunate one and what he tried to do was important. jimmy carter came on television and son -- and said to the american people, one of the things we need to do to treat our -- i would agree with ralph that these things are linked. they have a whole list and to labor.

they are all linked. carter went on television wearing a cardigan sweater, for which he was last at and derided at the time and since. he talked about declaring war -- carter went on television wearing a cardigan sweater, for which he was laughed at and derided at the time and since. he is still divided by the media. that is part of the problem. he does not take things seriously. before or since carter, he asked americans to look at the way they look at themselves and acknowledge they might have to be just a little bit less comfortable in used to resources being at their fingertips whenever they wanted them. he asked us to think about the

way we the sun. i have not heard that in a long time. i will make the final point. it is important to understand that presents out rate in a popular and political ambience client. one of the important points that was made to a number of bus at this table, supporters of obama, by obama's staff, and by obama by his staff has said, if we want from a little thought to come out of his first inaugural address and fight to work the climate change and try to get the united states to show leadership and reduce hilla -- greenhouse gases in areas that require leadership, we had a task for ourselves. we needed to pave the way to make it more politically acceptable that a president could do that.

i do not think the failure of the environmental community. the reality is, we do not have a popular and humility -- little ambience that allows both countries to speak strongly on issues. that is a long problem with he said. problem. here is some was cousins around the environment. it is not good to blame the victim or plan b voters. it is not productive. it is not an issue of presidential leadership. collective responsibility we all have to make this more of a national and international the conversation, to bring this issue up more often, to urge the news media to take this issue more seriously, to bring it into debates so that we can discuss these things. we really need to look up to the american people and educate the american people about the realities of climate change.

to make it possible that lover was the president, just as nixon went to china, it is not completely inconceivable that if romney were to rand -- win the presidency, he would do something on the environment. i will not say present round and the obamacare we need to work ourselves, us who are activists to make it easier for the next president. to show some real leadership. united states needs to lead in this issue. as ralph nader told us, we are the most profitable, the most would follow the death was felt in -- if america will not leave, it is difficult for others to take on leadership -- lead to, it is

difficult for others to take on leadership. thank you. >> just thinking was that-just speaking was robert engelman -- just speaking was robert engelman from worldwatch institute. >> i am from friends of the earth. we have member countries in 76 countries around the world. i would like to thank corporate knights for creating this space to talk about the greenest presidents. president roosevelt, nixon, carter. we have heard from the previous the to speak about her accomplishments. what i would like to talk about is their transformations and how transformational they were part

of looking back into the past is to figure out where we are going in the future. roosevelt and carter leg kind of defamation of discussions in if a select land confirmation and the epic of, but-preservation. carter -- confirmation and the epic of preservation. carter trying to transform the way we use energy. -- tried to -- there were bedrocks environmental laws we are still in alliance with today. he knew enough to get out of the way and move forward. looking at the current president of candidates, president obama has said that years to show whether or not he is an environmental president.

the rare around a, as there -- as governor of massachusetts, works in ho wong. we have climate change, we have the impact of global warming, we have fires, drought, floods. the planet is changing. if we had a roosevelt or carter, i have no doubt they would be using the presidential bully pulpit to commence in the love life and the crowd that we have to do something different. unfortunately, i do not see that type of leadership coming from president obama and governor romney. we are at an inflection point historically for the united states and the globe. this is where i may disagree with the previous speaker.

the environmental community needs to create space for political leaders to take the lead. there is a difference between leading from behind, which i think president obama has done only last valley -- the last four years. use the bully pulpit of the most powerful office in the world that we have to do more. that is the lesson i learned from breaking the three reinvest -- greenest president. at the democratic national convention where president obama mentioned climate change was not a hoax. the preceding statement above was, we have to do everything. we have to have file fuld the best fuel and natural-gas. that is not a transformational statement. that is a statement about maintaining the status quo and

try to convince the american public we are doing something. in this day and age, that is not what we need from our present chilly years. the same is true from governor romney. we can i get a cause data for them of what he would do on climate change, except all of the above. who won you to invest in every type of energy source. not just from asia. the lesson that i will take from the greatest presidents is, they spoke about the future. this both about future generations. they spoke about the vision of what we needed to do. i hope our presented candidates have the courage to speak about that and self what is perhaps

the most important human crisis we face, which is climate change in global warming. thank you. >> our next speaker will be joe round -- our next speaker will be joe romm from climates progress. >> thanks to toby and tyler for putting this together. i want to build on whaterich -- waht erich -- what erich said. i just finished a book where i talked a great deal about the lessons from the greatest speakers of all time, if any of whom were present. i do not think there is a question within the that aims that much of the president's

role is the bully pulpit, which president roosevelt created. i wanted to read what can roosevelt said just to show how far we have gone in the long direction of his famous new national speech of 1910 and 1911. obama went to echo that speech, except i do not think people remember what obama said. i think people will always remember what teddy roosevelt said. he said, we are brought face to face with the fact that there are many people who will go with us in conserving the resources only if they are allowed to exploit them for their own benefit. this is one of the fundamental reasons why special interests should be driven out of politics. of all the questions that could come before this nation, despite

its existence in a great war, there is no or that compares to the -- this important of leading this land a deadline for -- better line for our descendants and train them to pass it on. conservation is a great moral issue. whom does your -- the health and fatality of our people by at least well worth in serving as the air force, was, land -- for rest -- gotrdy -- foresty. obama went around the country saying this. we would certainly all do well to learn.

i did include obama on my list because i think what you do matters. with the fuel economy standards, with the funding and clean energy, if he has done a tremendous amounts that. if it were not for climate change, everyone would put him on the short list. we have the greatest x's death threat to the american public -- that essential public and threat to the american public. of generations in the future of one to be judged on how we avoid what scientists tell us is

coming. we are already seeing extreme weather today. in the future, it is going to heart -- the hard to fault anybody dream if we are suffering through that. with a lot of into the act -- whose seattle and passionate in april of 2009, how he made his -- enthusiasm and passion in april of 2009. we can allow climate change to reach -- read havoc across the landscape or we can create jobs to present its worst effects. -- to prevent its worst he had

sex. between obama and roosevelt is that roosevelt stood up to the special interests and he denounced the special interests and he relish the role even though it was a long fight and came at a great cost. when the going got tough, president obama went to his all of the above strategy. all of the above is not a strategy. strategy is where you apply some thinking to what you are doing and you make choices. the jury is going to be out. i am hopeful that the next president of the united states is poised to understand they better focus their time and effort on getting movement on this climate issue, as difficult as it is because this is not an issue that can be solve 20 years

from now. when we think of many aspects of the environment, cleaning up a lake erie or the hudson river, people might have a different model. if you wait until it is 30 and he spent 10 years and you clean it up. the climate has irreversible changes and we are seeing it in the an arctic. the arctic is expected to lose its summer ice in a decade and that will have an affect on our weather and our climate. if we cannot use the old models in dealing with the environment by waiting until it is so painfully obvious that we go and clean up. you cannot clean up a glacier that has melted. it will not read freeze. when you turn the united states into with the small or raise the sea level several feet. they will keep raising and raising because there is feedback. it will be up to the next one or both the president's to decide whether this country gets

on a sustainable path for whatever we realize the worst fears of climate scientists. if we do, all of us and all of the presidents of this feature will be viewed as failures. >> thank you, joe. i am midway through reading line with intelligence. it is an excellent book. i wanted to point that out. our final speaker is todd shelton. >> good morning. first i would like to thank tyler and kobe and corporate nights -- knights for creating this time the survey for the greenest presence in history. we listed thomas jefferson as

one of ours. we are in agreement. i have to confess that i come from charlottesville, which is jefferson's home town. in fact, great importance to the conservation movement over the past 50 years in the u.s. singularly, almost, made possible many of the accomplishments the ticket to president nixon and presidents

since then. we feel a great loss today. we have a great legacy to look back upon. i wanted to mention a couple of things. he was, more than anyone, the embodiment of american values. we hear the term american values bandied about a lot during an election year. one of the great american values is valuing nature and conservation. more than almost anybody i have been acquainted with, russell was the embodiment of that. he was an architect and the first head of the environmental quality. he was the founding director of the world wildlife fund and led its work and built it into the largest conservation

organization in the world today. he won the presidential medal of freedom. today, we mourn his passing. tomorrow, the world wildlife fund, is staff, and members and everyone represented on this -- its staff and members and everyone represented on this panel today will think of his accomplishments. he was working up until his last day calling congress and reminding them of this fundamental american values that is important to our children and our children's children and what we leave behind and what we do not leave behind. it has been articulated before me. it reminded us and our political leaders of this legacy, of this value and holding them accountable. that is so important. i want to say thanks again for the release of today's reports. it will be a great tool to that

end and thank you for having me. >> thank you to all five of our speakers. i want to conclude by reading quotes from two individuals who could not be here today. one is from teddy roosevelt's great-grandson. he works for barclays capital and he is in charge of their clean technology group. he wrote in saying that conservative environmentalists is not an oxymoron. the record of my great grandfather and richard nixon showed that the gop is also the green old party. reconnecting with these routes is crucial -- these roots is crucial. the other quote says, everyone

on the planet depends on data for their survival and prosperity. -- depends on nature for their survival and prosperity. we should be able to find common ground on issues so fundamental to our well-being. with that, i want to conclude today's session. we have a couple of minutes for questions. are there any questions from the floor? >> there is a lot of talk about the public meeting to be involved. i think we are seeing that on things like chemicals. my question is, what is the threshold? how much public outcry to you

need to make these changes? what is the bar, or is in their 1? >> the question is, what is the threshold of public outcry that is required to lead to substantial action on environmental issues. i think ralph wants to take that one on. >> there are three kinds of public outcry. demonstrations, marches, sit in slide in 1970. there has to be a lot more of that -- since -- sit-ins like in the 1970's. there has to be a lot more of that. there were air pollution diversions and rivers were caught on fire because of oil slicks. if you look at the variety of environmental threats worldwide , it should generate far more

demonstration. these demonstrations are occurring in some third world countries like india, for example. and bolivia, but they are not getting much notice. the second outcry is institution-building. it did not matter that there are old and new environmental groups, regardless of how they are named, from wildlife to audubon to the newer ones, public citizen, greenpeace, adf, sierra club, of course. those are micro watch dogs. those are the groups that have millions of members. they are the people who went to capitol hill, filed ground- breaking losses. we need more of those. the two most tumultuous recent technologies, genetic

engineering and national- technology have no ethical or legal framework that the -- nano-technology have no ethical or legal framework. now we have these two when and there are virtually no environmental groups specializing. there is the council on responsible genetics set up by harvard and mit scientists in cambridge, but there is not a full-time group on nano- technology. this is an enormous decline in civic infrastructure, keeping up with the challenges. the third outcry has to be local, state, national political candidates who will run on these issues instead of run away from these issues. i will give you an example that will fit your publication.

when the third in conference was underway, senator james inhofe, who has called global warming one of modern history's greatest hoaxes, said no one was talking about this in washington. i called him up and said, don't the democrats talk about global warming? he said, no more. i said, would you be willing to debate a prominent anti-global warming advocate in the congress? absolutely. i said, how about yesterday. i called congressman mark lee. -- congressman markey and said, would you be willing to debate congress -- senator inhofe? he said, sure.

somehow, congressman markey's people could never find a time to debate in front of the media this issue. of course, there could not have been a more defensive statement by president obama than to say -- he did not mention it in two state of the union speeches -- climate change is not a hoax. that would have made teddy roosevelt and jimmy carter proud. you do not have a political infrastructure on capitol hill and in many state legislatures. they are running away from the issue. it is not time to talk about why they are running away from the issue, but they are running away from the issue. if they are not criticizing nuclear power the way some of them work. they are cutting quid pro quo deals. they are not talking about a carbon tax, which corporate knights has written about.

those are the three of grass -- the outcries that are necessary. the tragedy is there is a lot going on in renewable energy. there has never been more capable technology. the research is there on solar and wind power and it is impressive. it is becoming a worldwide industry. the physical manifestations of our environmental crisis, drought and horrendous storms, certainly are perceived as dangerous by everybody. who is affected by them. we live in a peculiar situation of great opportunity and capability, but not great mobilization with the usual exceptions. i do not usually do this. i remember a prominent physicist once told me that we should have fought pollution because it is ugly, not just because it is

on safe. i am taken by this young artist for corporate knights, mr. dylan. this is his artistic cover. look at his wonderful, multi dimensional portrayal of precedence in the white house -- presidents in the white house. this is a genius. i am not an artistic critic, believe me, but this is a work of genius. you can see the four presidents and you can actually identify them. last quick point. when we were trying to awaken people on the environmental issue, the environmental pollution was considered 30. it was considered ugly. people had to change their -- pollution was considered dirty.

people had to change their clothes because of the soot. we changed the procession. pollution is a deadly form of a canada from violence. cancer, lung disease, -- form of cumulative violence. we need a new language to convey the preventable lethality of what is afflicting this small planet, which has a biosphere of only three or four miles hi where every living thing has to sustain itself. -- high where every living thing has to sustain itself. >> i am wondering if we