out. >> moving out of detroit. >> going back to the prairie. these houses are disappearing from the landscape? >> just recently actually 164 firefighters were laid off as part of the downsizing, as part of this effort for getting the finances under control in the city. firefighters, which detroit needs, because i think it must have the highest case of arson in the country, these guys are laid off. about two weeks later, 100 guys are rehired and when you look to find out where that money came from, it is the department of homeland security. they have a fund for things like that. i don't want to that something you want to think about. the homeland security stepped in to keep detroit as a visit could be for the moment. we are talking about -- a

wondered making this film -- we saw the auto industry bailout and a bank bailout, are we heading into an era of bailouts for cities? >> more on this sunday at 8:00 on cspan's "q &a." >> cspan is asking middle and high school students to send a message to the president in a short video. they will answer the question -- what is the most important issue the president should consider in 2014? this is open to students grade 6-12. go on line to student can.org for more details. >> in north carolina, a former republican mayor of charlotte and a democratic lieutenant governor are vying to become the next governor. the candidates met for an hour- long debate last night in rocky

mount, north carolina courtesy of wra -tv in raleigh. >> good evening and thank you for joining us for this third and final televised debate for governor. one of these two people will be the next governor. we will be asking the questions tonight. the candidates are here and they will let us know specifically what their vision is to move north carolina forward for the next four years. we welcome all of you and thank you for joining us. this live debate is being televised across north carolina. we appreciate you being with us tonight and we are confident it will be in light of information for those who either have already voted for plan to vote on november 6. before we get started, let's meet the nominees. one of them will be our next governor.

walter delton is finishing his first term as north carolina lieutenant governor. his career began in 1996 as a state senator and served six terms representing rutherford and cleveland counties. pat mccoury became the 53rd mayor of charlotte and served seven terms as the queen city leader. he began his political career in 1989 as a city councilman. >> a few moments ago, we flipped a coin to see the order of how the questions would be asked to night. mr. mccoury won the coin toss. >> are first question is about the economy and unemployment. north carolina has one of the highest unemployment rates in the country. as governor, you cannot make law

so realistically speaking, what can you do to fix this problem and what would you do in your first month? >> there are several things i would do -- i think north carolina has to get into the energy business. we have been sitting on the sideline for too long regarding natural gas exploration and offshore drilling while other states have moved quickly and those states have much lower unemployment. are contributing to -- they are contributing to energy independence. the second thing we need to do is reform our tax system and make it more competitive at least with our neighboring states. the third thing we must do is work on regulations. as i traveled the state, i am often told that regulations are strangling small businesses throughout north carolina. currently, they say the government treats small

businesses as an adversary as opposed to the customer. they often tell me that they take small business and midsize businesses for granted the last thing i want to do is completely reform our education system from pre-k, k-12, high school, and universities so when kids get out of school they have a basic reading and math skills necessary. we want them to have the basic skills to get a job because right now there is a major disconnect even though we are the fifth highest unemployment rate. have employers that cannot find qualified employees right here in north carolina. that is unacceptable. >> all four of those proposals are large-scale proposals that would take some time to implement. is there something you can do in your first month as governor? >> everything i would implement we have to start thinking long- term. one thing i learned as mayor is

that short-term remedies usually don't have long-term solutions. i am talking about big plans because we are in the pits right now regarding our economy as a leader, you need to look at solutions that are not just something that will correct the problem in a month or two and you are right back with the same problem. long-term solutions are needed for a difficult and complex problems that we have in north carolina. >> i want to thank north carolina wesleyan and rocky mount for posting this. the problem with what he just said by his own admission, trucking and offshore oil is 10 years out. we need jobs now. the reform of the tax code, he wants to say that tax codes pay 0%. the budget and tax center says

his plan will raise taxes and 80% of the people in north carolina, working families to middle-class and senior citizens. his campaign was asked what are the details of that plan and they said they would not give them out. they said because it would be dead on arrival and that is the reason it would be dead on arrival. i have a plan that brings us back very quickly. we have to reinvent our economy. i am from a textile town and i remember recessions. orders would go down and people would be laid off and orders would come back and people would come back to work. we saw a fast-track trade policies back in 2004 accelerate the loss of our jobs offshore. there is no place to go back to now. we have to reinvent our economy. i have a specific plan on the internet, walter delton.org put the long-term unemployed back to

work. we will give tax breaks for businesses who will hire those people. this will allow businesses to hire someone on unemployment for eight weeks, 24 hours a day -- 24 hours a week. they will draw a partial benefit and it allows them to test them out and make sure they will do well. other states have saved money by doing that with a partial benefit. it gives a tax break to small business and builds jobs for the future. there is a revision in there for manufacturing. there is a provision on how we spend our military economy. there is a provision on keeping people coming back to the areas they came from and revitalizing for all areas. we have to invest in resource and that's how you create jobs of the future, new economies following cutting edge research and division. we have to encourage entrepreneurs, innovation, and creativity. >> i want to remind the citizens

of north carolina that four years ago when i ran against the lieutenant governor, she said almost the identical thing. he supported the exact same policies that she enacted in the past four years that have failed miserably. as a result, north carolina has the fifth highest unemployment in america. he said it will take five-six years to implement frakking and that's exactly what governor perdue said four years ago. if you keep delaying, we will always be five-six years behind other states that have taken the leadership and initiative.

>> what i have told to was not based on political talk points, it is based on research and analysis that uses best practices to bring north carolina back. >> staying with jobs and the economy -- we mentioned the unemployment rate -- is at 9.6% that amounts to about 400,000 people still without jobs in north carolina. looking ahead based on the numbers you just mentioned, where juicy the unemployment rate one year from now? >> if you implement my plan, i think we can reduce it as much as 3%. my plan put people back to work now. there are jobs out there. baby boomers are getting older and we may not -- we need more nurses and assistance and physical therapists and radiologists and people working in rest homes. we can grow the military economy. and the equipment is coming back

from iran and iraq and i think it is going to alabama for georgia and we can do that in north carolina and save the federal government millions of dollars. we actually grew jobs in biotechnology in the great recession. i have a provision in my plan that takes the growth in taxes and earmarks those to put it back into by a texas we can continue to grow that. october norship has been -- and entrepreneurship has been essential. people greeted their own business and they -- and some of them are thriving. we need to encourage that sort think we can immediately reduce the unemployment rate rapidly and to all that but also build the jobs for the future as the north carolina stays strong in this 21st century, it. >> mr. mccoury, where you see as being in one year from now?

>> the best way to measure thing is the best -- benchmark against your competitors. within a year, i hope we are at least beating south carolina. we should at least be beating south carolina. [laughter] i hope we are also beating tennessee and virginia. businesses are moving to south carolina and moved to tennessee and virginia because we have been a non-business friendly state. under the regulations and the taxes that mr. dalton has supported and helped pass in the years he has been in office, it will be difficult. employers will not hire someone regardless of the tax credit if you cannot find a qualified employee. they will not take someone who cannot read and does not have basic writing skills. we need to have two pathways to success in our education. one pathway is a four-year degree and another pathway is a

vocational degree curriculum. we are forcing way too many people to go to college curriculum when many of these people have skills to buildings and repair things or fix things. this is the old type of thinking in education that i think is hurting our marketplace and contributing to the unemployment rate in north carolina. >> we will talk about education but a year from now, where do you see the unemployment rate? >> i would like us to be beating our neighboring states. i'm not a predictor of national and international things and i will not predict the stock market either. if i could, i would be a very wealthy man. >> employment in north carolina has been low for the last five years and has grown an average of 9000 students per year. per pupil spending is in the lowest tier, often and the

lowest tender in the country. has this state ever invested -- spent too much money for education? is there ever enough money for education? >> is a great question. the basic truth is there is no new money if you look at a north carolina budget until we grow the economy. i am being straight with the people of north carolina. we owed $2.8 billion to the federal government for unemployment insurance my opponent was budget chairman of the senate and they have over $3 billion surplus and the leadership just spent it all. with no long-term plan in case we had a recession. we spent the highway trust fund and spent the reserves and we are in trouble. we have to live with what we have right now. the way to do it -- we've got four different silos of

education -- pre-k, k-tel, community colleges, and universities. i will make those four entities start working together instead of fighting each other. one other thing that will change is the ipad and technology. it will help provide opportunities in rural and urban areas with the best teachers and technology and will end up reducing the cost of education. we have to look a better way to do things with higher-quality. >> have we ever spent too much for education and is there ever enough money? >> we have never spent too much. i want to comment on the ratings. steve forbes or ran for president as a republican. he says north carolina has the

third best business rating. we are above south carolina. we want to do better and we need to do better. a lot of our economy is the trade policy and the credit policy from the federal government eight years ago. on the $3 billion, he is wrong on that and the fact check will show he is wrong. we spent $800 million for hurricane floyd to help the rocky mount audience that is out there today. on education, in today's world, we are not going to out recruit any state or country unless we out educate them. it is a knowledge-based economy and we have to invest in education. the cuts that he supported and will rubber-stamp should he be governor have not helped at all. we have to invest in education and i have a specific plan that does that. this tracking system defines a

15-year-old career before the 15-year-old has defined him or herself. that is not right. i put the money back in that early childhood program. i'm happy to have governor hunt's endorsement. we need to put that money back in. the federal reserve says that the best dollar you can spend in education is in style -- early childhood education. go to my website and you will see how we do that. we will respect teachers and begin to get them back to the national average on pay and treat them as professionals and given the professional development to take the best practices into the classroom. we will align education both to the needs of the students and to the workforce needs of the future. that way we will compete with every other state and that the way we will compete with every other country and that the way

we become a global leader. >> in all fairness, you talk about a big rubber-stamped, he is not a governor. there is no way of knowing what he will support. that has not happened yet. >> may i speak to that? speaker tillis says he talks to pat every day but i assume he is weighing in on these issues. he ran for governor four years ago. in never commented on those cuts other than by his silence. he never said he was not for them. >> it is almost like i have more power not being governor than my opponent had when he was lieutenant governor. one thing we have to remind people is that education was

hurt when governor easley was governor and i also want to say with all of interest in education. there is no one i know against education. one of the man responsible is a lieutenant governor is to attend community college board meetings and the board of education meetings. his attendance rate was less than 40%. when i was mayor of charlotte, if someone did not attend a meeting, 2/3 of the meetings, they were removed from that committee. i will work very closely with the next lieutenant governor to make sure that lieutenant governor is very engaged in the community college board meetings and governor perdue, the boards of the major institutions of k-12, community colleges and universities, has not met for 2.5 years. we need to bring these people together to have a plan for our students.

that should be our objective. >> we will go next to taxes. >> let me respond to that attendance. law says that the lieutenant governor and treasurer may appoint a sworn designee to attend on their behalf. i had a sworn designate that attended which i think was close to 100%. that is an acknowledgment that we do have other duties. my sworn designee attend those meetings when i cannot be there. you look at my record in the north carolina senate and my voting record was well over 99%. i am attentive to my duties and i do a good job with that. that is a bogus hit as far as i am concerned. >> we were listening to people outside before we began, talking about their concerns about the

next governor of the state which included a nine-year-old who wrote as a note -- how can you keep north carolina's budget without raising taxes or cutting education? i want to give you an idea that you don't have to be of voting age to be genuinely concerned to attend a debate and try to ask a question. >> we have a slightly different question to each of you. earlier this year, you supported a temporary increase for education and you have change your position and you said you'd do not support the tax increase. you have also said we need to spend more on education than we currently are. where would you find the extra money? >> i did not change my position. i supported the extension of 3/4 of a penny sales tax.

the budget that was submitted was a two-year budget. i said we needed to temporarily extend that 3/4 of a penny. i have always said as governor i would not raise that sales tax. if you go to my website and look in my education plan, you will see why fund everything i have talked about. there is $1 billion out there that i have identified that is real and will form that without any increase in the sales tax. the only tax that would be increased is taking back a tax benefit that the republican legislature gave to people making hundreds of thousands of dollars who where equity owners and things like dental practices and medical practices and law practices. they did not ask for the benefit period when the governor vetoed a budget, he said we will veto because it made more money for education. i said publicly she said the top of that budget and spend at

$140,000,000.599999 students were cut off. we cut economic development. we cut $1 billion out of health care and their fund and $140 million for people making well over $100,000 who are not adversely impacted by the economy. the only tax increase in the plan i have is a far better use of that money. they should not have spent at $140 million. >> we're with the money come from? >> they are projecting growth at 2.5%. that would be $500 million. there was also a provision that if you are a small business and have to pay for your trademark or logo that the out-of-state company that owns that would normally have to pay tax in north carolina for that revenue.

they have exempted that's about out of state company no longer pays taxes in north carolina but that small business in north carolina is still paying every penny for that logo. we have about $1 billion on the books in bad debt, taxes that are owed. we collect about $500 million per year. when i was in the senate, i supported technology that is now in place that makes it that much more efficient. i think we can collect $100 million and probably keep $100 million off the books if we do that right. that is getting close to it and there are other things like a streamlined the sales tax through voluntary compliance. they cannot require internet companies and catalog companies to collect a certain tax. they are providing jobs for our people and paying taxes by an

out-of-state company gets an advantage. we need help from congress but through voluntary compliance, there is $70 million identified on that. i have detailed plans for economic recovery, education and ethics. i have seen nothing from my opponent detailing anything other than his campaign saying that they do not reveal the details on his tax plan because it would be dead on arrival. >> we will get into that with mr. mccrory. you have said you would like to abolish personal and corporate income tax in north carolina but you pointed out there is no more new money in north carolina. these new taxes bring in about 60 cents on every dollar. where would you find the funding to cut those taxes? >> let me correct mr. dalton -- he and the governor were the leading proponents of the 15%

sales tax increase. they lectured the entire state for not following their lead. thankfully, no one followed them. in accepting that 15% sales tax increase which he now has changed his mind on. my initial goal is to update a tax system that a 60-year-old. i would like to at least of our income tax, the corporate tax "competitive with our neighboring states like south carolina and virginia. tennessee is in a different stratosphere but we should look at all plants with regards to updating our tax system. the current revenue chairman who used to work in the legislature with mr. dalton is a big proponent of updating and reforming our tax system. no one is totally -- knowing it is totally outdated. we don't need piecemeal tax credits and more that he is recommending in his plan.

it is so confusing as to who gets tax credits. let's have a comprehensive reform supported by republicans and democrats alike. that is exactly what i plan to do as governor is lead that effort to look at a modernization of our tax plan. i think it will be bipartisan and it will have to be to get past. >> when we talk about tax reform in the legislature, democrats and republicans like to use the term "revenue neutral." how would that bring in the money to pay for the kind of cuts you're talking about? >> it should be revenue neutral because i am not asking for more money. i would agree with mr. dalton at looking at such things as internet sales in which it is a disadvantage to bricks and mortar. i hope to get money from gas exploration and long term.

that is a consumption we can get. if you look at the states that are going into gas and oil exploration, their revenue is increasing. the goal of tax reform and simplification of taxes and a decrease in income or corporate tax to be competitive, you grow business. when you grow business, you grow revenue and jobs as opposed to just asking for more and more taxes when governor perdue got elected, the first thing she did with mr. dalton's approval was increase the corporate tax, increased income tax, and ask for a sales tax increase. our employment in north carolina just took a huge dip and that was not good leadership. >> try to be as concise as you can in your response is because we could spend an hour and a to these questions and we want to get to as many topics as possible. >> let's stick with the theme of

funding source -- 180 miles of 95 runs through north carolina. that is a roadway that is in need of repairs and upgrades. where would you find the money for the repairs and upgrades on 95? >>tolling should be the last choice particularly for existing roads like 95. you have to look at public/private partnerships. we have seen least purchasing an appeal of the federal revenue stream, we have done garden bonds to help in that fashion. we need to get more of our federal tax dollars back from the federal government. we send more money up to washington than we get back. those are the atom is we would look at. he talks about getting money

from gas exploration and by his own admission, that is success tenures out. he talks about a plan that will cost $11 billion -- >> let's be concise and stay on subject. purchase, public- private partnership, let's get money back from the federal government. let's prioritize some of the traffic. if the look at my logistics task force report, it was a commission of republicans and democrats and we talked about some of these things around the state. in the cities, we should give a tax benefit or incentive for people who live inside the belt law and that we get people off the belt line during those tight traffic turned to allow congress to travel. >> where would you find a funding source to repair and

upgrade 95? >> the first thing i would do is look at other roads that are being considered for construction which some areas don't even want. congestion or safety issues are not really an issue there and we should take that money from those other road projects to help 95 other major corridors. the other thing i've been recommending for over 10 years is that since 1988, we fall -- which followed a program called the equity formula. it does not take into consideration congest in, say, economic development, or the environment. what it is doing in north carolina is punishing those cities and towns that have major interstate highways going through them including here in rocky mount. the current formula of this division puts any money into '95 which is an interstate highway connecting the south with the north, that means rocky mount

has no money for any other rural road. this is unfair to those towns and cities along the 95 corridor, i-26, 577, id-5 corridors because they're being punished for having interstate highway going through them according to this equity formula. this has got to be changed so we have a separate revenue stream and more equally distributed for those areas that have interstate highways going through them that serve not only all of north carolina but serve the entire region. i agree with some of the public- private partnerships and some of the pay-as-you-go funding that north carolina has been doing. >> we have a lot of voters submit questions to was on line. this one had to do with mental health. that topic came up time and again. the management of mental health

has arisen because consumers of the services and the most qualified providers of the services have not as much input as the bureaucrats. how would you target resources more efficiently so treatment is more effectively provided and the service providers are professionally qualified? >> i would meet lee tried to change the rules that govern perdue recently signed a which is pushing people out of senior homes and possibly out on the street. these are usually older people with mental health issues and in january, we could have a major catastrophe where we have homes in the rural areas that could close down because these people will be moved out and it will put more pressure on state government. that is the first thing i think we should do and the second thing is i will not support getting rid of all land where

dix hospital was. we build a new hostile and close down an existing hospital and gained almost no new bids that made in a difference. we also moved beds out of areas where the greatest population are mental health patients. in those areas, the patients are either in our jails were in our emergency rooms. this has to be a comprehensive plan. there is no easy answer. i think this will be the most serious issue in addition to dealing with possibly the obama care situation that the next governor will have to deal with. there has been no improvement in the mental health system right now in the last four years even though governor perdue promised to fix it. >> i believe he has opposed the affordable care act which would give resources for this type of problem. several years ago the mental-

health directors said we need to privatize the system. it has not gone well. it was called divestiture. i talked to a doctor and said this was not working in rural areas. but there was that they would leave the mental health system and form their own private businesses. they left certain rural areas so our police department became the mental health department by picking them up and taking them to the emergency rooms. when need to listen to the providers. one benefit of the affordable care act would be to provide more managed care in the mental health a reno. we need to listen to the providers and make sure that there is managed care out there. people can become a threat to the public if they are not on their medication or someone is

not attending to their needs. with the divestiture, case management was hurt and need to repair that and one way will be when the affordable care act comes into play. this is one area that will be helpful. >> i want to agree with mr. dalton on one thing -- in made an accurate statement but i strongly disagree with obama care. this is something that governor perdue and mr. dalton supported from the beginning. they recommended no changes in the legislation. they did not challenge legally the legislation. the impact this will have a north carolina is going to be dramatic. i am very concerned right now that we will have many businesses here in rocky mount that could literally -- we're not offering insurance anymore and we will pay the penalty of obama care and let the federal

government taken over and literally not offer insurance to its employees anymore. the impact of this on our medicaid system which is already financially struggling, in three years, could be staggering to the state of north carolina. i do disagree with that. i think the states should come up with their own plan as opposed to the federal government having one plan for all 50 states. >> i do think the affordable care act needs some amendments to help small business but the reason i support it is because i think it will be good for the health of our citizens and the health of our economy. the first three years brings no cost to the state. i want the tax money to come back from washington, d.c. the first three years are without cost to the state so we

can opt out at any time so there is little risk. after that, $15 billion of your taxes will come back to the state. i think it will help create jobs and give battle health care particularly for rural areas because that's where you're medicate based is. the rural hospitals operate on a very thin margin. this will help them so broad that more than that, it will give the mental health belgium's -- patients better care. the king keep their children on health care until the age of 26 and being a woman will not the a pre-existing condition. there is a lot of good things there. >> i know you have a lot you want to say but you could just condense it, it will help all of us. >> speaking of women's health issues, state lawmakers passed

the women's rights acts that edit restrictions and made it more difficult for women to get abortions in north carolina. what further restrictions on abortion would you agree to sign? >> nine. none. [laughter] do it fall for that one. >> i did not agree with this restriction i would put no further descriptions -- restrictions on a woman's rights. >> we are going to move on -- [laughter] to a couple of issues that i want to get into -- some individual questions -- >> can have a long response now? [laughter] >> i have a couple of questions that are individual questions. the first one will be to you, mr. mccrory.

in this political season, voters are asking us to ask you for transparency. straight answers, no nuancing of words as we have seen in the presidential debates. can you set us straight as to exactly what your job is, the type of work you do, what is your typical day like, and how much do you make for doing this type of work? you have worked for some fine north carolina companies that have a working relationship with the government, state government. why not be open to talk about the specifics? >> first of all, i have submitted to the north carolina board of elections everything that past governors have submitted and that is explaining exactly where i get my income, or my stock ownership is, what my wife is in the audience in on a 2600-square-foot house and

have two used cars that are paid for. that is it. i have no pension, no government pension, i will probably be working the rest of my life. i am proud to work with a law firm where i provide some business expertise. i offer consultation and strategic planning. sometimes lawyers need advice because they are lawyers, they need an invoice from non- lawyers. -- they need advice from non- lawyers. last week that wasn't filled it -- philadelphia doing sales training with a major software firm that i was consulting with for four years. i do a strategic planning model for them that i came up with that a similar to a mackenzie model. it is a business model that we should bring to the executive

branch. we have not had people with business experience in the executive branch and the leadership experience i have had as mayor. we need a government that understands business. we need a governor who knows how to read a balance sheet and understands operating and capital costs and unfunded mandates. this is what i've done in the public and private sector. i am proud of that and a group of a family where you don't tell each other's salaries. that is what my mom and dad taught me and i will not break my mom and dad's code. >> you have said several tarns -- you have said several times -- what executive experience do you bring that will qualify you to be governor of this state? but my experience in the senate and as lieutenant governor -- when i became lieutenant governor, you're not given many

constitutional powers but you make of the office what you can. i immediately went on a small business listening tour to over 25 venues in north carolina. it does not help to listen unless you do something. i worked to create a small business assistance fund to help these businesses get through these times and get some money from the legislature. i worked with the sba to craft something to allow small businesses to accept a $28 million. in 2003, i have done the innovative education act to create early colleges in north carolina and lay the foundation. today we have about 75 early college high schools. "the new york times"has set that as a model for the nation. -- has said that is a model for the nation.

13 southern governors, mostly republican, gave us an award. i know every agency and i know every part of this state. we need a governor that will not talk only five minutes and not be transparent. i have been transparent. people know what i am doing. we know there was a case several years ago in the supreme court that he took a special interest in. he used his position with the city of charlotte to help pay special interests. against a farm family. they say he is a rainmaker, what promises are being made? >> are you a rainmaker, mr. mccrory? >> i am a great marketer, someone who can sell north carolina is what we need. i help client development with

my law firm and my brother's company. i am in the private sector now. i'm not working for government. if i don't win this election, will stay in the private sector. we need to build the private sector instead of tearing down the private sector. it is ironic -- this is the way business is being treated north carolina as the enemy. the only way we will bay -- rebuild the economy show the business sector we appreciate them and we want the private sector to grow. it is the private sector that pays the taxes for our teachers and firemen and police officers and builds our roads. this is what we need. >> we could debate that when all night long. if you think promises are being kept. i have one more question for you, mr. mccroy.

does the state auditor still have your support? >> i am concerned about some of the things i am reading. i think it has been disadvantageous to have things released while people are voting. their allegations and i am most concerned about the family members of those involved who had nothing to do with what ever you are reading about. if there continues to be things and police reports that show behavior that is not appropriate for elected officials especially regarding false police reports -- is hard for me to basin in knowledge on unfounded allegations. i will complement the current auditor at the same time. i think she has done a good job. she had the courage to stand up to the perdue administration on broken government issues that someone needed to stand up to and she was the only member of the council of states that did stand-up to the broken government. >> as of tonight, it is a wait

and see? >> think it is an extremely unfair to make a final decision based on allegations. right now, i care deeply for the families that are impacted. >> mr. dalton, conventional wisdom says immigration is a federal issue but some say -- some states have taken steps of their own like arizona. a federal judge last month modified the arizona statute that allows police to ask for their documentation. if lawmakers approve a similar law, would you sign it? >> i would have to talk to law enforcement issues for the state. if our highway patrol does that, we have seen them, but i would

patrol. i think they lost 200 positions. anything you do on legal immigration at the state level is an unfunded mandate. as a federal issue and i think the congress needs to take this issue and do something with it. if we do anything, we're putting a greater burden on our law enforcement officials. they are stressed and of dealing with our state law violations. i would consider it but i would have to look at the specific law. 487g or whatever we did with the sheriff's department, we are doing that but i think that was federal money. that is up to local governments that we have cut law enforcement because of deep budget cuts. the last two highway patrol schools have been cancelled. i think there lost around 200 positions. anything we do is an unfunded mandate and i would talk to the highway patrol and consider it >> based upon the recent

decisions of the court and it will probably go all the way to the supreme court again, i don't think it is needed at this point in time let's wait until those are challenged. as a mayor and the governor, i am sworn to uphold the constitution of north carolina but also sworn to uphold the constitutional laws of the united states of america. as mayor, federal laws were enforced by our local police. if federal law enforcement officials saw something that was local law being broken, they have the authority to hold a person over. there has to be coordination whether it is a federal bank robber or local police help the feds. i'm a big supporter of the 287g effort to use that. one of the problems we have now with a legal emigration, we

don't know the identity of many people in our state. they have up to six different forms of identification. the 287g program made sure that if a person was arrested we could find out who they were based on federal crime records. that is an important program and i'm disappointed their current president is discouraging the implementation and continuation of 287g. i think the president is wrong on that issue. i hope that changes. >> we will get into a lightning rod but hopefully the questions will elicit shorter answers. >> you are both public servants. we solicited the number of our questions from our viewers. what impresses you about your opponent? >> i think anyone that has been

in public service should be commended for that. he has been dedicated to his public service. >> i actually like his idea regarding the college prep programs in the community colleges. i thought that was an original idea. if i become governor, i will proceed with that and try to expand more rapidly. i am impressed -- he is a great family man and i know the people of this town have a great deal of respect for him. i respect him for having the courage to run for these elective offices because it is not easy on the family. >> north carolina is a right to work state which does not require union membership. they say is one of the least friendly states as far as organized labor. should we consider changes to our labor laws? >> no, recently my opponents but

to the aclu, one of the major labor unions in the united states of america here in north carolina and in a moment of may be criticism, he has called me the scott walker of north carolina. i embrace that for several reasons. i think the right to work status for north carolina is extremely important for ongoing economic development. it is one of the reasons we are somewhat rank high as a business-friendly state. without that, we would sink more. we cannot have collective bargaining. the taxpayers or it would go up. >> i have no agenda to change blahs on collective bargaining or right to work. scott walker said he will divide the teachers and state

employees and i spent $30 million and a recall and that status torn apart i will have an advisory labor group. w>> we're almost out of time. >> i would have an advisor group and i would love to tell you why. [laughter] >> after the debate. >> i meant that as a great idea. >> are there any republicans that you would bring to cabinet positions or high-ranking administration officials in a dalton administration? >> i will not give you names right now but i would say so. i will not even give you any democratic names. >> so the answer is yes. [laughter] >> is there anyone in the perdue administration in a cabinet position that you would consider keeping in your

administration? >> i have made a point not to comment to any thing before the election. i will seek the advice of the current dod secretary who is a fine man and knows a lot about transportation and i will seek the help david hoyle who believes deeply in tax reform and the commerce secretary, there'll be a need to be a smooth transition with the current commerce secretary. you have to keep government running. >> the courts have not cooperated in banning internet gaming. would you push for an outright ban or would you rather regulate and tax it? >> i have proposed a video gaming and voted against it. it is on the way to the supreme court. they say it is legal, i would then look at taxing it. >> would concur with mr. dalton.

>> we're going to are closing statements. it is one minute each. mr. mccrory can have the last words of mr. delton, 60 seconds. >> thank you for hosting this debate. i want to thank my wife for her love and support. i thank each and everyone of you for watching tonight. this is an important election do you want big corporations paying the zero attacks and increasing taxes on middle- class and working families and senior citizens? do you want to take money from the public schools to fund private schools? do you want to up the cost of health care for women? if you do, and not your candidate. if you want to create jobs now and for the future and protect and improve education and treat teachers with respect, and if you want to have women get equal

pay for equal work, and i hope you will in brace my candidacy. we will work together to move north carolina forward. special interests pale lot of money for people to fight for them. i will fight for you and we will build a bright future for north carolina. i'm walter dalton and i ask for your vote. >> about a year ago when i turn 55 years of age, i had to get my driver's license renewed. when i pulled up to the dmv, there was a long line out the door. after waiting 35 minutes, i was sitting there and waiting and i realized that nothing has changed since i got my first driver's license in jamestown, north carolina in 1973 at the dmv. the second thing ever realizes that i have to run for governor. we have a broken economy in

north carolina but north carolina is the best state in the united states of america. we have unlimited resources. we have to unleash those resources under the ground and unleash our education resources. that is why i am running for governor. it is time for north carolina to come back and that is why i am writing for governor. -- running for governor. >> we have about 1.5 minutes left so i've one more question. [laughter] it is a very serious question. how difficult is it to tell the truth with a capital 't' in the world of politics? >> it is not a problem for me at all. my dad passed away a week after i was elected mayor and on election night, he was very sick and he hugged me. he said to what is right. i meant that as part of our culture is a value in north

carolina and it is my track record of being a mayor and city council member and being a husband. and a family man. telling the truth is very important. i think it is absolutely critical to be truthful. i have to live with in my own skin. i've always tried to be up from the people. >> we thank you both for being here tonight. >> is and gentlemen, we hope tonight's debate will help you make an informed decision about the next governor. >> election day is less than two weeks a day -- a way so early voting is already under way. >> you have a few more days to go for early voting and our

thanks to north carolina wesleyan college along with our rocky mountain area chamber of commerce. we thank you very much. thank you for joining us and continue to send you -- send us your questions, we will find a way to get them answered. c-sp[captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] >> the american enterprise institute analyzes races around the country at 9:00 a.m.. later, live coverage of tonight's illinois' 17th congressional district debate at 9:00 p.m. eastern on c-span 2. here on c-span, "washington journal" is next. live coverage this afternoon of president obama and richmond, virginia and live coverage of debates in congressional races in ohio,