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>> i did notify a senior representative of the plan to tenants association on november 30 of my intention to change this. also did a similar notification to a senior representative of the pilots association. the homelandd security advisory council for the department of homeland security in september of last year on this idea. i got feedback in a closed setting with them. yes, there were several opportunities. of course, with the international community, the european union, with canada and australia. >> i will switch off of that. i am sure some other members

make up for it. in your testimony before the appropriations subcommittee, you mentioned the delay in funding for tsa credential in infrastructure program and may delay the development of deployment of changes. can you tell me more about the programs and more that would occur? >> as you know, we're very much interested in moving forward with a universal enrollment plan which would allow for card, othera vetting, to be consolidated. is delaying the implementation of testing for the one visit which we're so much interested in. yes, there is a potential for that. if we do not get through this,

we will be adversely affected on the timing of that. >> i see my time is expired. i will yield back. i wanted to ask unanimous consent that the gentleman from new jersey be authorized to sit in. >> no objection. at this time, the chair recognizes the ranking minority member of the full committee, the gentleman from mississippi, mr. thompson. >> thank you very much. i would like unanimous consent to enter in an opening statement into the record. welcome, mr. pasqual. -- mr. pistole. i'm sorry we did not connect yesterday. such is life. in this group that you put together to come up with this policy, did it include fellow air marshals? >> yes, it did.

in my opening, and noted that because of their strong presentation, their articulation of the risks, and everything else involved, i actually changed what i was leaning towards in terms of harmonization with international standards to make it more restrictive. >> what about when attendance? >> and no, i did not get similar input. i did not. >> i have a young lady that works on the committee. we have some of the items that we would be able to take on a plane. i found out that a decision was made that we could take two golf clubs on a plane. how did we come to decide on two rather than a 3 or four or one?

>> the working group which i described earlier looked at all the implications, and the consensus was two clubs, for whatever reason, and it could be one. it is up to the airline's whether they would allow that. it is not a bag of clubs. it is two. the airlines can still decide what they allow in terms of items. >> i am trying to get some of the history and how we arrived at this. this is a hockey stick. this is a big deal. i'm trying to figure out how this could not be perceived as something potentially dangerous to the people on airplanes. it might not bring the plane down, but i think it could cause serious harm to the people who

are flying on the plane. i would like to have seen more thought go into this. you know, you have decided the policy. you talked to congressman richmond that right now you are losing time with knives going through the machine. explain to me now the difference if you see a knife going through their that is 2.45 inches long, how are you going to stop that, and how will that be in a shorter period of time than the present policy? >> a couple factors. one is that our policy would require a passenger to take that out and put it in a band just like they would any other metal device.

ray,t goes through the x- the officer will be there to see it, just like a watch or anything else. to theiving discretion tsa officers. our average officer has five years of experience. they are very good at this. they will have discretion as to whether that is right around there, measuring or not. we do not want open nights at the checkpoint. if it appears to be in compliance with the policy, they will let that go. when we good briefing notified the union, one of the first questions was, will you give training to them? will you not penalize them or punish them in case they make an error in judgment? we responded yes, absolutely.

>> it is your testimony before this committee that the present policy that you have announced doesroposed to implement not cause any harm to the travelling public? obviously any number of scenarios that could be raised, flight attendants are raised them with me yesterday. when we get into the what if category, that is what risc based security is about. we fell in the blank. we make decisions based on the probability, what intelligence says, and what the consequences may be. there are no guarantees. no, i am not seeing that. as part of this is a question of what the american people in congress think tsa's roles and responsibilities are. >> if congress says, maybe you should reassess this policy, are

you prepared to do that? >> obviously, if congress in a bipartisan way as legislation that goes to the president and he signs it, we will adopt whatever those issues are. given all the input i have received, including the expert input i received from my attendance yesterday, i think the decision is solid. >> i yield back. >> the chairman recognizes other members of the committee for questions. in accordance with our rules and practice, i plan to recognize members who were present at the start of the committee. starting with seniority. again with the gentleman from alabama, mr. rogers. your. john pistole, thank for being here. we're fortunate to have you here in this important job. i found to be very competent and capable.

i want to commend you on this list which you have come up with. i would like for it to be a little bit longer, but you made a good start. i think it is common sense what you have done. you know i am a bang -- a big fan of the pre check program. great risk-based approach to screen. as i have talked to before and in private before, we've got to push about a little bit faster and worked some of the kinks out. a lot of people are still confused about it. it is not at all the airports. there are some inconsistent applications. can you tell us, are you working with airline partners on ways to clear up what the program is, how people can get in it, where it is available? >> thank you, congressman. the airlines have been great partners on this. the five major carriers, and several others that are coming on line later this year, so as

you know, we are in 35 airports, business airports. we announced the expansion of five more airports. we will be at 40 by the end of this month. we will add additional airports later on at this year. we'll also look at major airports, to add additional lanes there. at atlanta's hartsfield, on monday morning, instead of one wing or two lanes, we have 3 or four lanes open to handle the rush of commuters going through there. we're also looking at ways to expand the known population in ways that allows additional people to go through, with managed inclusion, a pilot program, those are at indianapolis, tampa, and honolulu. that has been successful. we used a variation on that the day after the super bowl in new orleans with instead of 13,000 people travelling, 39,000 people left new orleans -- obviously

the passenger screening canines, which you are a strong supporter of, those are key enablers of this strategy. we're also working with private industry. we put out a request for white papers that are due april 1 where there will be a partnership between us and private companies, that they would do that in with our oureria -- vetting with criteria. we then vet them. increase the population that way. >> with that piece and the traveling public would pay for themselves? the something that traveling public would pay for themselves? >> yes. complicated for some. what we're working on within the tsa is to have a tsa pre check signed up through a tsa

instructor. not to go through other agencies. you can go through a dhs portal. what we found the last quarter of 2012, up 41% of people signing up for global entry just wanted the project benefits. how can we maximize that? that is what we're doing. >> i would also like to see you get to the point where it wants to sign up and approved a project, it works across all airlines. i know your partners have some proprietary concerns. are you working towards a database that would protect the proprietary interest but also allow travelers to use multiple airlines to use pre check? >> we are. airlines have been good partners. we're not there yet. >> how long? >> i will have to get back to you on that. it has been something frankly i have been hopeful we would have already been there. because of some mergers and

other issues, that has complicated things will but. repair stations, it has been 10 years waiting on a rule. can you tell us that is going to happen release soon? >> i can tell you that. [laughter] there is good news. that ombgot an update has excepted the rule. that starts o'clock. there'll be a public notice of that shortly. we actually for the first time in awhile, we're making progress. >> dina how long the clock will take? >> i will have to check how long the review period is. sometime this year. >> thank you. >> the chair record -- recognizes the representative

from california. >> thank you mr. chairman. i ask that public statements opposing the changes by the association of flight attendants, the american federation of government employees, and the federal law enforcement officers association be put into the record. good afternoon. after september 11, zero planes have been taken down by sharp objects, or were sharp objects could have been used. there have been zero times as well. >> there was one attempted hijacking internationally. domestically, there have been zero attempts. internationally, in 2009, a hijacking attempt with a plastic knife. >> also of zero major staffing issues with sharp objects. >> 0 that i am aware of. >> that begs the question, when

we look at the number of times or successes that have taken place involving sharp objects post-9/11, the answer is that there have been a zero. can that number get better? the answer is no. it also begs the question, can that get worse? for me, the answer is yes. objects being a sharp on board now accomplish the goal of maintaining the zero planes being taken over or have been zero incidents involving sharp objects? i also understand, administrator pistol, that the shift towards a --k-based risk assessment just because this is a new threat does not mean old threats still exist. if we ask, how many incidents occurred before september 11 with sharp objects, we would find that the answer was zero.

three knives on this board. people out there would have a hard time telling the difference between what is allowed and what is not. i am wondering, do you think any one of these knives would be more or less dangerous than the others? do think one of these knives would be more or less successful in taking over an airplane and causing another terrorist attack? >> thank you, congressman. you raise a number of good points. our working group of experts consider those issues in question. theerms of context, international air community has allowed anything 6 centimeters' or shorter 2011 cents.

in the u.s., you have seen these items. they do not need these. metal mines in first- class. whether it is a wine bottle or wine glass. there are any number of things that can be used as a deadly interest meant. the whole purpose of risk-based security is to take information we have, both about terrorist attempts and tactics, to make sure that we are preventing prior attack at times, like the hijackings on 9/11, where there were multiple layers of security. intelligence about who is traveling, where, what is the intent of the person on board, as opposed to the object. if we focus on objects, and we will always find problems. the purpose is to focus on the intent of the purpose -- intent of the person.

wouldn't you agree that if we look at the check knives that would still be allowed, which appear to be slightly smaller in size than what would not be allowed, in an orchestrated attack, they could do great damage to our flight attendants and passengers and perhaps but people on the ground when a plane could be used as a missile? whetheru're asking individuals with those pocket knives can take over an aircraft, i do not think so, because of all the other layers of security we have in place, including flight deck officers who are armed in cockpits, armed cockpit doors, the response of the crew, and passengers who would not allow that to happen. if we had a group of terrorists get on a plane in the u.s. without anybody else knowing about them, then we have had a

failure of the u.s. national security program, rather than just at a checkpoint. >> i would conclude by saying, for 11 years, we have not had an incident since september 11. i think largely because of a lot of the good work tsa has done. that is why i am asking why now and why do we want to go back. >> the chair now recognizes the gentleman from pennsylvania. rookie mistake. the chair now recognizes the congresswoman from indiana, miss brooks. >> i want to thank you, administrator pistol, for being here. for being here. having been a former united states attorney, i serve at the time the tsa was formed.

i have been involved with law enforcement and your former agency, the fbi, for quite a number of years, and have been a defender of tsa and have often visited tsa at the indianapolis international airport within the last month and visited with tsa there. certainly have been impressed by the manner in which tsa and your previous agency of fbi about making the threat assessments, go about making changes in rules and regulations and the amount of time and effort that goes into making .hose changes i have incredible faith in our law enforcement agencies.

and of the indianapolis airport is now part of, as we talk about changes, whether it is in the type of items allowed, but you also started a risk-based security program called managed inclusion. it is being piloted at the indianapolis international airport as well as tampa. can you expand on that about managed exclude -- inclusion, what the customer experience has been, how it is being administered, and how it is not only impacting efficiency but what you're hoping is with respect to safety of the passengers and of those who travel? certainly the pilots and flight attendants to travel -- how has managed inclusion worked into the risk assessment procedures? >> thank you. managed inclusion is a natural outgrowth of one of the

initiatives of risk-based security. i have heard this many times from this committee and members of congress and the flying public virtually everybody traveling every day is a terrorist. why treat them as such? the idea is to have elena were those who -- a lane who have gone through pre-check -- i has worked -- i have received a -- if weexperiences can assess with some confidence that travelers who are in our regular lane do not have an explosive device, such as we sought in a video, with passenger screening canines, and peter detection officers do not observe any suspicious behavior, then if the regular q.

is busy and the pre-check wang is not busy, people could be invited to go through that. we started that november 1 in indianapolis, the day before thanksgiving, which everybody knows is a fairly busy travel day. at that checkpoint in an indianapolis, we had a 34% of the travelling public go through the pre-check lane. as they went through, they were allowed to keep their jacket, belt, shoes on, their carry-on bags with liquids and gels. we asked them, try to get feedback, how was that? people almost unanimously said, that was great. if you did enjoy this, as a free sample, signed up so you can have high confidence that you can go to that on a regular basis. we are piloting it. we will continue that in indianapolis and honolulu. we're looking at other airports where it might make sense.

it really helps us try to provide effective security for the most significant threats. >> is that the type of system you use after the super bowl in new orleans? will there be those types of efforts at other airports where you have large conventions and large severance a people? >> exactly. the notion that in new orleans, where there are special event, where there are huge influxes of people, we sent 100 security officers and reconfigured one of them in check points. we made five of them capri check lanes. there were long lines. people were moving instead of standing there. got very positive feedback from a number of people, especially ravens fans. >> absolutely. thank you very much. i yield back. >> i think the gentle lady.

i see that the gentle lady from hawaii has drawing us. i ask unanimous consent that should be submitted to participate. at this time, the chair will recognize the gentle lady from texas, mrs. jackson lee. >> congratulations for your leadership of the committee. congratulations to my friend and colleague mr. richmond. pistole, welcome. we have had a very strong relationship over a number of years. i remember distinctly the creation of tsa, being on the select committee for homeland security, and i remember distinctly directing the team so -- the tso hiring process to be more effective. i think you have generated a team that is commitment, i have supported you in the uniform

change, in the sense of the law enforcement concept, and i congratulated you on the democratic convention, a professional those individuals were. let me also acknowledge tom mcdaniel who i know is well- trained, having come from this committee, who is here with you behind you. let me say that process is obviously a concern. i have always commented that to hear an announcement in the news, however on member might have missed the notice to their office, is really both disappointing and challenging, because you are associated with tso's, and that has been a lot of my legislative career, defending the competency of such. iw will sequester impact -- know it might be 1000, going up by attrition -- can you say yes?

1000 will go up through attrition or retirement? >> 1000 by the end of may. >> will you cut any more on top of that? >> we have not put a hiring freeze on yet. >> there may be longer lines. >> clearly going into the summer. >> nobody knows until you get to the epicenter of the crisis, the school is let out, etc.. today as we speak and on april 1, can a mother with two or three children carry her bottle of water and special orange juice through the line? >> medically necessary liquids -- >> she likes a special brand. it is not in the concessions. these innocent bottles of orange juice and water cannot be taken in. >> they cannot. >> if i were to squash a flight attendant with orange juice and water -- i know there are five tenants i have respect for -- i

assume they would still be attendents ilight i assumepect for -- there would still be standing. >> sure. -- let me a question be above board. you may have had a meeting with the flight attendants. over the years, i have introduced legislation for mandatory defensive training. you had an answer to a question that i would beg to differ. you're absolutely right, my good friend is going to allow me to share his example. i thank him for his leadership. you're probably right, that the airplane would not go down. what you have is a compact area that flight attendants are dealing with passengers, and

under the new laws, no doors will be opened for their release. my question to you -- i am going to leave out the manicurist at -- if i were to take my knife, and the like this to him, would he bleed? >> i assume. if you stop him? >> that is correct. >> yes. >> what we would have is either an organized a series of activities that might injure every single flight attendant that is on that plane. tking that claim almost -- and moving disaster target. we know we have energetic passengers to come to the aid of the flight attendants. as far as i'm concerned, it would be a crisis situation that would occur. i understand the logic that

says my officers have more important work to do. my concern is if it could injure, bennett is a problem. your suggestion is that these are not eligible because they equate to something that could be explosive. some years ago we were talking about technology to detect what this might be. i am sorry we did not get to that point. the very fact that we have -- i will not do anything to my good friend, let me clear the record, or anything on an airplane -- we cannot in any way suggest that someone with some sort of mental sort of situation that brings about the tragedy, some series of incidents that we have had with an airline pilot who had some sort of medical emergency that required him to be tied down -- generally

, airing, domestic flights marshals are there, but nobody knows what the schedule is -- i want to leave at that. here is my final point to this mr. chairman. my final point is, it is very difficult for me to believe that we do not have mandatory training for our flight , that the solution will be that we add a voluntary hours -- you can ask me whether you have the money to voluntarily train them -- the fact that you are allowing a weapon can cause a terrible injury, and you are allowing it to come on without pausing for a moment with the concerns of members of congress. i would like us to go back to the drawing table. i would like congress not to have to introduce legislation, though i intend to do so for

that reason you need to stop this now. these cause bleeding. these cause injury. these can cause terrible tragedy. i do not want it to the next one. it can call up -- it can possibly cause somebody to lose their life. >> i will give the administrator of brief moment. >> congresswoman, let me thank you for your strong support of the tsa. you have been a true champion throughout your tenure. there is a fundamental disagreement in philosophy over whether tsa should be responsible for disruptive .assengers our mandate is to keep terrorists off of planes. me, a handapon on gun, when i travel, because i was authorized to carry that, that was not of concern because there was no intent to do harm.

if the suggestion is that we should somehow be able to screen for mentally and unbalanced people or people who drink too much on flights, i believe that is outside the scope of our mandate. we sure do not have the budget to do that. i do not think you're suggesting that. i just want to be clear that that is not what we're focused on. the fact is there are so many objects on flights that can cause the type of harm you're talking about -- my question would be, what is the intent of the person with that dangerous object? if it is a person as you describe versus a terrorist, they might be a challenge. it is a good idea to work with airlines to provide additional training for flight crews, everybody involved. we do not have the funding for that. thank you. >> i understand the hard stop at 4:30. i want to get through the rest of the questions, and my hope is that we can get through a second round.

the chair recognizes the gentleman from new jersey. mr. chairman. i would like to thank the ranking member, mr. richmond, and also the ranking member of the whole committee for being here. mr.ust listening to you, pistole, i do not remember your saying that officers have more important things to do, but i do not think there is anything more important than making sure and securing the safety of passengers. irrespective of what size of the knife is, i think it is a flawed policy. for the reasons that you just mentioned -- why did anybody another opportunity people they are intoxicated, mentally ill, for them to be in the position to have something that they then

could use -- that is a problem. that is not my main focus. the committee has done a great job in bringing that issue to light. i represent the 10th congressional district of new jersey. that includes new work airport, -- newark airport, which had a troubling as a record over a number of years. one of the planes that emanated on 9/11 came out of your -- of newark. the reason this committee exists is because of that tragic event. , a major security breaches continue to occur there. assetscerned that proper are not been allocated and there. insufficient training is not being conducted to make sure

that tsa management has the resources and ability to do what was necessary to make travel safe and secure for the people in my district and the millions of people we use that airport every year. these bridges are nothing less than alarming. the press reported on some very disconcerting results of a red team test that was conducted by the tsa at our airport. it was reported that the tsa failed to detect a fake bomb being carried through the airport by an uncovered tsa investigator. the tsaesponse to this, stated that due to the security sensitive nature of these tests, tsa does not publicly share the details about how they are conducted and what specifically

is tested. nevertheless, i opened the newspaper today to read another report stating that tsa does not report all incidents to its management. newark airport is one of the worst -- offenders. if the details are not being released to the public, i want to know how i read this in the press. my first question to you, what is being done to make sure that these major breaches at one of the busiest airports in the nation are not a reoccurrence of? reoccurence? >> thank you, mr. congressman. we have a strong administrator there. i met with having their last week, the head of security, also

the head of security at the port authority to go over issues. we have had incidents at new worked -- at newark. they know exactly what the capabilities are. and what our protocols are. they can create and bis and conceal items that only the best terrorists in the world would be able to do. these are super terrorists in terms of culver testing. i would be glad to show you -- coverttesting -- testing. i would be glad to show you the object used. we just do not publish that because we do not want terrorists to check out. >> i'm not concerned about what the item is. >> if you saw the item and not a description of the covert test, you would have an appreciation for how it got through and where we did not do the job we should

have. we give immediate feedback to the security officer who was close, but missed it. we used that as a training tool for the rest of our workforce. the am very concerned about press getting this if it is a covert operation. terrorists or read newspapers. >> i'm concerned about that. they should never become public. somebody leaked that information. i do not know who. we're looking into that. if we find out who leaked that information, whether it was a tsa employee or another agency -- that happened on february 9, and it was a day of the briefing where it got leaked to the "new york post." >> i yield back. >> the chair recognizes the gentle lady from hawaii. >> thank you for allowing me to participate. i just have one question. i will try to keep it brief.

administrator, thank you for being here. and you're prepared testimony, you cited tsa's efforts to expand active and military members access to pre-check. i applaud this effort. i have had the honor and privilege of serving with many amazing heroes in our country. i have some concerns that have been brought up by the wounded warrior project, that the severely injured and disabled service members and veterans, it is frequently a confusing and humiliating process. it has resulted in some negative experiences for these great individuals, such as removing clothing items, peltz, or shoes. it can be difficult was somebody who has lost his arm or leg, for example. ,e have also heard complaints veterans being asked to remove

clothing, to remove the prosthesis, despite the titans that screen can be done without the removal. i am aware that a call center has been established. two questions -- i'm curious how many people actually use the call center, and besides that, what is being done to ensure that they received a screening experience that is dignified? interest.ou pour your i share your concern about how we treat these heroes. we are making progress in terms of how we deal with wounded warriors, particularly where they are released from walter reed and the go to dulles airport, and it is their first flight. we have much improved protocols there. we see a number of wounded warriors. part of our challenge is around the country. i will take a look at that. i do not know the answer, the number of hand, in terms of the call center.

i would be glad to share with you the complaints. i just do not have the details. we're putting out an overall policy and protocol for persons with disabilities, which could encompass wounded warriors. anybody with a medical situation, anything that could be considered out of the norm, whether they need additional assistance, customer engagement, we have in all 450 airports designated passenger support specialists. this is something congress urged us to do a couple of years ago. we put that in place. there is an individual at every airport that is there to assist people, particularly when the warriors who need that. on the call center in 2013, we have thus far have 20,000 calls. >> i would appreciate that information. mostly because you said this may be working for the first flight,

people leaving the hospital and making their way back home, but as you know, these are people who are facing incredible challenges for prolonged periods of time, not only for themselves but for their families, and should not be subjected to this type of treatment. thank you. >> i think the gentle lady. we're up against a 4:30 heart stop. we will try to get a second round of questions. i will recognize my step -- myself. it appears to me every year with budget cuts, the number at tsa continues to grow. last week, we also saw in the news on order for $50 million in new uniforms that were partially made in mexico. i learned that part of union agreement with transpiration that isy officers -- more for service people -- [no audio]

>> but contract expires on february 17 for uniforms. i started an initiative two years ago for all departments with officers in uniforms to have a consolidated contract to achieve a efficiency and save money. that is still in the process. our contract expired february 17. $50 million is for two years. 2012.up from part of that is because of a collective bargaining agreement, we did increase the uniform allowance. that is one of the 11 items we agree to negotiate with the union on. we didn't give them additional allowance. it is still well below the overall alliance. i have a chart that i would be glad to share with your subcommittee, comparing it to .od in terms of officers

we will be glad to give you figures. i share your concern about the cost i will keep that in mind. of the risk-based approach -- is there some reason the uniforms are not working? >> we have found deficiencies. there was a significant increase between 2010-2011. in 2011, we had a congressional response to the christmas day attack of 2009. and additional advances in technology and staffing to canines andng with inspectors. those were added to our budget. we have the increase from that. that was the defining point. i do expect to see some e efficiencies down the road as risk-based security matures and

we're able to put more people through the pre-check lanes. i do not have the figures for you. >> i'm looking to find these efficiencies to reduce the cost to the taxpayer as we get smarter and leaner. i'm going to yield back the balance of my time to allow our ranking member to follow with questions. i recognize the gentleman from louisiana, mr. richards. -- mr. richmond. >> what i will do is ask all my questions up front so you can answer them -- i will try to leave time for the ranking member and the full committee. i will leave some time for him. going back to what congresswoman-words at about or wounded warriors, if there is any set of people in this country that deserve -- the congresswoman said, there's any

set of people in this country that desert a pre-check, it is our wounded warriors. i think we should put them in a pre-checked so that they do not do it. i have personally seen it happen to wounded warriors. it is not something they deserve. i know you share that sentiment. can figure out a program for them, whether it is a pilot, including them in that with that, i have been getting complaints about the treatment of the tsa officers that are there. i know there are some complaints. in court documents, your office has argued that you are exempt from a lot of employment laws. can you give me a list of the ones that you think you are exempt from tax >> i'm not sure what the individuals or --

exempt from? individualsure what rules you're talking about. we were created as an organization that was not title 5, the normal employment rules there. we have been in discussions about other opportunities for employees. i would have to look at in detail what you are referring to. >> i will get to that list. i will also get to a letter detailing the complaints are received from my local agents as i walked through the airport now is turning into -- airport. now it is turning into e-mails and upon calls about harassment and retaliation. water was 3 years old for tsa

officers. it was visibly dirty. that i think is an unacceptable treatment for people who are really working very hard and who are partners with us. i will get you a list. i do not want to take any more time. i would like a response to those negatives. recognizes thew ranking minority member, mr. thompson, for any question he may have. mr. pistole, last congress, this committee identified a security gap that would allow an individual on a no-fly list to take flight training on a plane with the maximum takeoff weight of more than 12,500 pounds. i would like to have a clarke

put on the situation in 2010 -- a clerk put on the situation in 2010, when a plane hit a building like that. is that still the case today? >> there have been steps taken to assess the vulnerabilities and the consequences of something like this happening. what we have done is work with faa to limit the time that a person would be able to be -- that an faa chairman certificate, before there would be able to solo. they have a medical exam requirement. that is down to within a few days. to answer question, yes, there is a gap. citizen would not be able to sell low.

they would be with a flight instructor. a lot of the issues that are raised previously have been addressed. there is still that issue. >> i can appreciate that. right now, we can train a person to fly who is on the no-fly west, and there is nothing to prevent us from train them. >> they can be trained in the sense that they would be with an instructor. they would submit their application or get a certificate, but i would not be able to sell low. >> i understand. if i am a bad guy, i do not need a certificate. you taught me how to apply the plant. i am on the no fly west. -- fly the plane. i am on the no-fly list. >> that is a risk. >> what is your plan? >> i will come congress to look at how that could be addressed.

it is a matter of the timing of making sure that we checked against the terrorist watch list as they rise to certification. it is faa also. we need to work with faa. we can set a policy, but they are the ones that issued a certificate. >> are you prepared to tell the committee that since we can train somebody to fly who is on the no-fly west, it -- is it your recommendation that that person cannot be allowed to fly unless they are required to not be on the no-fly list? >> there are a lot of aspects to that. >> i guess -- right now, some of us see that as a problem, that we can train people to fly who are on the no-fly west -- list.

if that requires legislation, which it should not, i think we will talk to you and people at faa to see we can get that resolved. >> the other aspect which you're not asking about is the intelligence collection, which i know quite person, -- a no-fly person -- >> i did not ask that. all i want to know is, do you train to people to fly who are on the no-fly west? the answer i would assume is yes? >> or private flights, they can train anybody who comes in. hopefully they are on the no fly west. -- list. we would know they are going to a flight school. that is my point. >> are you able to cooperate

with doj on an investigation into tsa? >> we have been cooperating. >> members of the committee may have some additional questions for the witness. i will be happy if you respond to these in writing. without objection, the committee stands adjourned. >> the house and senate return this week to consider funding the government passed march 27. that is when current funding expires. there will also work on their respective budget plans purpose in 2014. the house is back today at noon eastern, 2:00 p.m. for

legislative business. floor debate on the budget is likely as members wait for the senate to act on a bill to fund the government through september. the senate will be in at 2:00 p.m. eastern. harry reid hopes to continue work on the continuing resolution and move on to the 2014 budget resolution and get that approved by the end of the week before the easter recess begins. live coverage of the house on c- span and the senate on c-span2. out to na" with fred na -- "q +ext, to a" frenchabeth monroe spoke inside the white house and gained a reputation of being queenly by her --. we will explore relationship with her husband james monroe and her close relationship with her successor. we will see the importance she played in the 1820 presidential

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is video was on unemployment in america. from knoxville won perce prize for their documentary on public transportation. what the winning videos each day next month on c-span. see all of them at studentcam.org. >> this week on "q&a," executive editor fred barnes of the "weekly standard" discusses his life in journalism and political commentary. >> fred barnes, can you remember when you first got interested in being a writer? >> i got interested in being a reporter before i got interested in being a writer. my dad was a great consumer of newspapers and magazines, particularly conservative magazines, like "national

review," "the charter subscriber." he'd bring them home. he'd bring home "the wall street journal" every day when i was still in high school. if you like politics and you like journalism, then that is what you do when you get out of college. that is what i did. >> where did you grow up? >> i grew up in arlington, virginia, right across the potomac river. arlington is in those days is not what it is now. now it has a lot of young people in high-rises and so on. it was all single-family homes back in the day when i was growing up in the 1950's. my dad was in the military. >> what more than anything informed your views over the