was that? >> the information started to come in immediately upon our tamerlan, ion of mr. of the -- on the morning of the watertown arrest, so the shootout occurred late in the evening friday in the early morning hours, we started to get information about the identity of the individuals. >> if you had this information before the bombing, would your force and you have done anything differently? >> that is very hard to say. theould certainly work at information and talk to the individual. thefbi did that and closed case out. toan't say i would have come a different conclusion based on the information. >> of the russian intelligence

warning that he might travel overseas and that he did and came back to the united states, would that not have caused you to give this individual a second look? >> absolutely. homelandpartment of security fund and fusion center, i asked the commissioner -- >> the state police has seven troopers assigned on a full- time basis to the jttf. my understanding is that at no time prior to the bombings, did any member of the massachusetts state police or the center have any information or knowledge about the tsarnaev brothers. >> the whole point is a shared information. i used to work with the joint terrorism task force.

it is not shared with the state and locals, it defies why we created the department in the first place. we went through a litany of cases, the for the shooting -- fort hood shooting, but the gatt when the dots were not connected. -- looking at when the dots were not connected. why are we still having problems connecting the dots? youhe line of questioning have just carried out with commissioner davis had their answers are very important. this might be one of the most

significant and painful take away lessons from the boston marathon terrorist attacks. particularly when you are dealing with homegrown radicals, the community are around that is probably going to be your first line of defense. state and local law enforcement will always have a better knowledge of the neighborhood and the institutions that might be involved. neither the fbi or the customs agent notified of the local members of the joint terrorism task force. that is a serious and aggravating omission. as the commissioner said, nobody bats 1000%. i am currently one of their biggest fans and admirers. here is a case, and they have look back at it.

why didn't they involve the local law enforcers that could have stayed on this case and pick up signals from the students that interacted with them, from the people that threw him out because he was such an extremist. or seen the videos that he posted that could have prevented all this from happening. how do you explain it? people are not perfect. information is being shared. they did involved, before the event, the state authorities that could have talked prevent the attack on the marathon.

>> in closing, i completely agree with you. so many of these cases, there are very difficult to stop. i applaud the department of homeland security, state, and locals. i am concerned and troubled by the fact that may be in this case, there was not shared -- it was not shared with the state and locals. they are the eyes and ears. going on his youtube website, they may have seen that this person had radicalized. >> for the purpose of witnesses at today's hearing. one of the responses we have as a committee is to look at what actually happens.

if, in fact, the money that we have provided to your department were not available, and the training that went with the money as well as the equipment, how would you have been able to respond to that situation? >> it would have been much less comprehensive than it was.

we received funding to foot the trucks and equipment for our offices. a had just done something on bunch of parcels left by people running away at the instrument. he was clearing hundreds of potential bombs, dangerous work that we could not have done without help from the federal government. opportunity us the to test these systems. we have discovered gas in radio communication that were closed because of the training. those gaps caused us to be

responding -- we were not aware we have the problem until we did the scenario trading. beenesponse would have much less. >> it would have been an integral part of your department's ability to respond like it has been. >> that funding has set up response and the operation that has been put together for the funding. also with the threat of homicide, that money is critical to our operation of the police department. >> you are a former fbi agent.

the immigrant communities being engaged in this total process for identifying potential terrorists in our community. can you share with me ha your experience on the community engagement aspect of what we are talking about? towith all due respect intelligence that comes in, the most valuable information we will obtain is from community members and family members, they could have shared some information that the joint terrorism task force cut of work done. -- could have worked on. in fact, activities that were

going on. adam, with al qaeda and was thrown out of the mosque in orange county, california but not before the fbi was aware of what was going on down there. a magazine has been referred to a number of times. he was an american and editor in chief of esquire magazine, engaged by members of the mosque. it would have been very valuable. another has left the country but was engaged by his family the fact that he was taking got a form of islam that was not appropriate and is now engaged in an al qaeda affiliate in somalia. it is important that we don't engage in any activities.

>> thank you. >> the set refers to it as the afterlife. [laughter] i hope you and the others will stay here. >> getting resources and communities and states where they can respond as the commission has said.

i heard you expressed concern that the government oppose the proposal to eliminate grants for states and localities. >> great to be with you again. >> we are in a war and it is against the ideology that is not receding. it is spreading and it is taking a very difficult turn. the only three attacks against the terrorist attacks that have succeeded cents 9/11 are homegrown terrorists. you can't fight this war with our resources. we have created and funded a critically important version of this battle. particularly with homegrown terrorists, they are in the best position to create the

relationships within the communities that will allow them and have allowed them in numerous cases to stop terrorist attacks before they occur. they are simply not going to do it without funding. every level of government is pinched. there are police departments that spend the lot of money funding counter-terrorism programs and a lot of those programs are out reach to the committee. that is why a they have been so effective. we have to rely more in this new phase of war with terrorism, and they can't do it without financial help from the federal government.

>> i yield back. >> mr. king. >> let me thank you for scheduling this, it is vital i thank you for it. commissioner davis, thank you for your leadership. let me ask you, from the time of the attack on monday afternoon until the issue out on friday morning, did the fbi bring to your attention the fact that the older brother had been under investigation? >> we did not start to look at that until after the shoot out. >> 3 and 1/2 days that they did not make you aware of it? >> i should stress there was an ongoing investigation and a lot of information coming from different sources. we did not look at the brothers until after the shoot out. >> after the photos were posted, did anyone from the

local area come forward to identify the brothers? >> i am not certain hai don't kt did, but i know there was conversation with a group. theirot quite sure what role was in the conversation. >> the photos were all over television, somebody should have recognized them. and starting to come forward to identify the younger brother? >> they did not. >> senator lieberman, it is wonderful to see you today. the conference committee, the joint hearing and the radicalization, let me thank you for that.

you mentioned any number of times violent islamist extremism and i have not heard one administration official use the term is law vest -- islamist. how do we fight the enemy if we don't identify the enemy? ofthere are other sources terrorism that violent islamist extremism. we know it from the oklahoma city bombing and the unabomber. violent islamist extremism led to the attacks on 9/11. osama bin laden declared that to be the purpose. they wanted to bring out america and our civilization. theold chinese wisdom, first thing you have to know is who your enemy is. call it by its name.

sensitivity the here, but in some sense, it is not fair to the overwhelming majority to leave it unspoken as f some part of this, it is a very small minority in the community. the law-abiding and patriotic. we are looking for the right words to distinguish this. the overwhelming number of muslims, maybe we have not found the right words. in this case, i gather is very instructive. when tamerlan tsarnaev came back from his trip overseas, he was clearly radicalized.

people ask them to leave. it is representative of the mainstream muslim communities. >> we talked about the lack of information sharing and i think it is absolutely indefensible that there was a planned attack against times square and never notified of the nypd. the fbi refused to give the information. we went public and they criticized us as if we were somehow compromising the investigation. they can't have it both ways and the failure to share

intimation is absolutely indefensible. they owe everyone an explanation as to why they would withhold information. i just can't explain it or understand it. >> that is certainly something to be explained. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. i find this to be an overwhelming experience. i think it is important to call the names, we should always take a moment to recognize them. enormous proceed with thanks, commissioner davis, for

the leadership and heroics of everybody in boston. many of us have worked with officers. we thank you and we think the people of boston and your great state, the commonwealth of massachusetts. senatoro pursue, lieberman, we are limited in this time frame, but the russian contact. it baffles all of us, in spite of diplomacy, why if nothing else, it was not a trigger and the joint terrorism center. to share that information with

local law enforcement. what do you think happened? >> i agree with you. hindsight is always clearer. this was an unusual circumstance to notify us. it includes the mother of originally. we understand that we are operating in the context of mistrust and there is cooperation in some areas. it seems to me that the fact that this a original notification, you investigate what went wrong. at what point could somebody have acted to stop this? it really should have raised this case to a very high profile internally because of

where it came from. it could be that the most consequential failure was the failure of russian intelligence to explain why they were more interested in tamerlan tsarnaev. i hope you will go back and speak to the fbi had and take another look at those guidelines to see if in any way they constrain the fbi from acting more aggressively. toi ask unanimous consent put a number of questions in the record. an to put a number -- article from the washington journal today in the record. let me say that this approach has to continue. in the course of information coming to you, did the homeland's security department

provide you with information about the visa or any of the individuals that were arrested earlier? them was concern about dealing with the senior brother and the others? >> we had a homeland security analyst. >> you feel confident you could have acted on that information or have a structure in your operation that would have looked at that? >> is there any mass labeling of the muslim community in boston? >> that is always a concern of ours. we are concerned about it. >> what about the number of

muslims that, in essence, pay their taxes, and call this country of country that they love? how do we work with this community? >> the most important thing we can do is build a bridge instead of a wall. we want to engage in community and what that feels comfortable and confident sharing information as we have seen time and time again. a number of thwarted plots have come because we had engaged community. verythink that you made a good point. this tragedy, for those of us

that started on the homeland security committee, this is not a place to raise partisan divide between congress and the administration. this is a place to stand against this ever happening again. >> that is most important. >> i yield back. >> the chair recognizes the vice chair of the committee, ms. miller. >> we have all said thank you and we can say thank you enough. our eternal gratitude and admiration for what all of you have done on that terrible day. one of the county's i represent

is the annual breakfast, we had 700 people. it was almost the entire topic of conversation in michigan and how well you reacted. watchingatching tv, the people on the sidelines, people applauding the first responders. it is something none of us will never forget. senatorhe things that lieberman mentioned, you mentioned the christmas day bomber. we are facing a new type of enemy, something our country has not faced in the past that sees the battlefield asymmetrically. the battlefield that day was seat 19a of that flight.

the battlefield then was the end of the boston marathon. there is a lot of talk of the information sharing and i am very appreciative of questions and comments about that. my question, as we go forward, how can we better resource in utilize existing resources for first responders? not only at 9/11, those first responders that first responded. thatd the national guard was a force multiplier. how did the national guard meld into what you are doing? wondering, as we are

resources and the national guard, whose role has expanded 9/11 attacks, are there things you can -- you can utilize. we have a b.a. national guard base in detroit. -- we have a baby national guard base in detroit. i think there are a lot of applications, things we are already be sloshing through the department of defense that we could utilize better through training exercises with the first responders. you have been comments about that?

they have joint training exercises with our first responders, all kinds of various things that they may be able to utilize, that you could utilize as well. i mean, just outside of detroit, we have the big national guard bank base. they are everywhere, really. i think there's a lot of application of things that we are already resources in through the department of defense to the national guard that maybe we could utilize better through the training exercises in etc. with the first responders. what you think of that, commissioner, if you have any comments on that? >> and don't know what the national standard is, but i can tell you that in the city of boston, the national guard has been of the table for all of our training exercises, going back to 9/11. one of the big roles they played immediately after was detection and monitoring of chemicals or other things we had to be concerned about in the environment. the day of the marathon, they were an integral part of our protection. they had already been deployed to assist us in traffic control and security operations. there were several hundred national guard people at the scene, engine the general -- and the general was one of the first people to arrive. at the end of the day, with 1500 people a available to us, assisting our officers with what was the most complex crime scene we have ever processed in the city of boston. those troops stayed on the

ground for seven days until the scene was shut down. but more than just perimeter security, they arrived at the scene of the pursuit and brought equipment in. at one point, we needed three of our swat teams to deploy up to dartmouth, mass., and they brought in helicopters to make that happen, black hawks came in and took the teams out. the state helicopters were nowhere near as large as what we needed to move people around, general reis played a critical role in not only crime prevention, but also in the response afterward. >> i asked that question and i am so delighted to hear all of that because i think that is an area where we as a congress can think about melding some of the things happening with the national guard with the first responders. in my own area, on our national guard base, we have an operational integration center where all of the information is

vetted by all of the stakeholders in used principally for border security. i think that is something congress needs to think about more. i am appreciative of your answer. thank you. >> the chair now recognizes the gentleman from massachusetts. >> thank you. i was just going to delve quickly into, while everything was going on after the explosion, the big picture is an extraordinary coordination. the amazing how. -- amazing. but i think we want to look at the information sharing during that time. you mentioned, commissioner, a that you first learned of the individual terrorists friday

morning. the senseless killing of officer collier. at the moment, can you share with us who links that in first to the terrorist attack, how that information was conveyed to you, how quickly you were able to get the identities of these people and connected to that atrocity as well? >> i can certainly speak about the pursuit of this -- of these individuals. i hesitate to get too far into who knew what when because it is part of the ongoing criminal case. but let me do the best i can to answer your question. we received word of officer collier's murder within 30 minutes of the incident occurring. i received a call at my home. >> from home? gerald, who was at the

command post at that time. the informations we received was that it was associated with armed robbery that had occurred prior. they were not establishing a link to our investigation that up when in time, but we were highly suspicious of the -- at that point in time, but we were highly suspicious of it and everybody was concerned about it. we send officers to assist. my chief of department went to the scene and had a conversation with the lieutenant colonel in charge of investigations, who was running the scene. our first indication was that it was not related. but after a carjacking

occurred, it was clear that there was something going on. we deployed more officers to the area at that point. certainly, as soon as the water tower officer engaged the suspect and there were reports of fire power and bombs being involved, there was no doubt in my mind. that is the way that progress. >> were you -- when you were informed friday morning about the identities, who conveyed that to you? >> the fbi. they were very quick to identify who the individual was the was killed in the shootout. >> this is going on so many levels. the area i think is worth pursuing, which was mentioned here, is the message is received from russia. i'm curious about people's thoughts. i do not think there is anyone who would have an answer, but

when the fbi tried to get more information, if they were so interested in this person, when the fbi tried to get more information, they did not give them any. there is such a history of mistrust, but there is such an opportunity for mutual benefit for both countries security. but it is clear that the insurgents in the region are now focusing not only on russia but western europe and the u.s. now. communication is going to be so important. either the professor or perhaps senator lieberman can shed some light on how we can better improve communication when it so in our benefit to do that? >> thank you, congressmen. i think you are onto something important. you know particularly, in the aftermath of 9/11, a remarkable transformation has occurred in the fbi.

rateas become a first- domestic intelligence counterterrorism agency. as part of that, offices have been opened around the world, including in moscow, to create the relationships that will lead to information that will enable them to better protect us here at home. again, this is all part of an ongoing investigation. i urge you to bring in the folks from the fbi and the cia to talk about this, but from know now, the notice from russian intelligence to the fbi and the cia was very vague. and of course, most significantly, as much as i know now, nothing was shared with us about what the russian intelligence found out about what tamerlan sarnia was doing in chechnya.

there -- a a tamerlan tsarnaev was doing in chechnya. we know that he was meeting with the radical leader. we know that when he came back he showed much greater signs of over-extremism, as in the mosque that pushed him out. president who unmade a statement, along, i believe, with president obama and maybe it was with secretary carry when he was there, that we of a common enemy. and it is true. together be working better, but that did not happen in this case, and that was very consequential. >> quick question. in new york, they have cameras systems. they're all synchronized and coordinated. is that unique to new york? is that a pilot? they're trying to make the

cameras there more efficient with the coordination. we had someone from new york here last week talking about that. could that be helpful in other cities? >> it is certainly not unique to new york. when we look across massachusetts and our investment of homeland security grand dollars, weather is a state grant dollars -- whether it is state grant dollars, we certainly have a history of investing in cameras and video surveillance. i have visited a quite complex system. we have capabilities to tie into transit system cameras, highway system cameras. weeks, in the days, months ahead, as we begin to process what we have been through and begin to think with how we're going to do with security in the future, we're going to have to spend more time looking at and probably investing in, not just cameras, but we really need to also focus on the analysis capability, the technology

behind the cameras, civil liberties also being important. we have to balance. >> thank you very much. >> the chair now recognizes the gentleman from pennsylvania. >> thank you. i think each of the distinguished panelists. let me start with secretary shorts and commissioner davis. -- swartz and commissioner davis. you have done us a great service. i think boston presented the best of what america is all about.

i also think the theme of communication has come through here. i want to credit you with an important thing during the process. the ability for your entire group to communicate regularly through the media created a sense of cohesion and an ability for america to follow along during a very difficult time. i think that was critical. the second factor, you have noted in your written testimony, the ability to communicate amongst each other, which included as well the ability of a separate capacity for law enforcement across jurisdictions. it is a great story of steps that have not been done. the last thing is we talk about communications. you did not receive from the fbi or other words -- and i know, nobody wants to go through this event, but we encourage you as you watch the films to be critical and help us all learn together. but i congratulate you on your wonderful work. the issue of communication is an aspect of this and how people are doing it today. one out of the thing -- one of the things that bothers me is

that tamerlan tsarnaev is identified as having watched extremists on line. you have been discussing the idea that the ideology is what we're focused on. who has the responsibility to identify places where the ideology is being centralized and serving as the place where people gravitate to? is it internet companies? is it law enforcement? how do we look at that location as the place we can monitor, and what is the appropriate level of monitoring? important very question and not an easy one to answer. i can tell you, as you probably know, that there is a lot of monitoring going on now by american law enforcement

agencies of a violent the a, g hottest area of violent or the a and jihad -- violent or jihadist web sites. tamerlan tsarnaev, as we know, started a youtube channel in which he was putting on violent extremist advocates. i forget the number, but tens of thousands of such channels go every hour on youtube. google youtube has community standards which are quite admirable. they cannot pre-screen everything goes up. for a time, i had someone on my homeland security staff trying to follow these web sites. when he would see one that was violent, he would make a complaint to youtube. they would submit it to a board, and they pulled a lot of them down. it is very hard to do this.

i do not want to go on too long, but i will say two things. in this case, one of the things i am agitated about is why no one was particularly looking for the name tamerlan tsarnaev. when he came back from chechnya and put up at channel, somebody should have been on him. second, and most important, the responders to this ideology are in the muslim community. again, the majority do not share this ideology, but there are allies. the muslim american community is probably one of our greatest allies in the effort to stop the ideology. it is not as easy as stopping an enemy. forgive me, but as thrilled as i was when we took down osama bin ladin, and as hard as that was, that was a direct target.

it is a lot harder to confront an ideology and to overwhelm it. >> do we have to change justice department guidelines with respect to how far they can hold investigations open? do we have to go back and revisit whether people have visited these websites once we have had some kind of predisposition, when there has ari ben the report, as you said? i am disturbed that the fbi would have had information which we have already identified which made him a suspect or at least a person of concern. they closed the book, but subsequently, we discovered what you just talked about, which is his participation in the violent web sites.

>> i do not have sap quick or easy answer to that, but i have learned from this case, and i appreciate your question, but i feel very strongly that the justice department has to review the existing attorney general guidelines for investigations by the fbi, and most importantly and directly to determine whether those guidelines constrain the fbi to stop prematurely the investigation of tamerlan tsarnaev after they were notified by the russians, and did they in any way send a notice to the fbi agents that they should not share this information with local law enforcement until they had a greater level of proof that a crime was about to be committed? that is a very high standard. it is so high that it probably will not allow law enforcement to act before the crime, or in

this case, the terrorist attack occurs. >> that is my time, but i hope we can use that as a launching point. >> that is an excellent point. the attorney general guidelines need to be looked at. with that, i recognize the gentleman from texas, mr. orgs. >> thank you. mr. davis -- mr. 0 rourke. >> thank you. mr. davis, i also want to thank you and the responders that responded so heroically and efficiently after the attack. i also want to respond to your comments about the difficulty in balancing a a greater scrutiny with the community policing you must do in order to be successful. like you, i live in an international community in el paso, texas, one whose success is predicated on our relationship with mexico, our ability to welcome immigrants.

and i think our chief of police and sheriff would agree with me in saying that we have routinely been named one of the safest if not the safest city over the last 10 years in large part because of our immigrant community and not decided. following on the chairman's remarks about terrorists who would seek to force us to change our way of life, in el paso, our way of life has already been changed following this boston attack. now, students who are coming across our international bridges to attend school and at the university of texas, el paso, are going through secondary inspection. some are being held up to eight hours as they try to reconcile data being shown on their visas and the computer system the school is using. what advice do you have for cities like ours to enable positive relations with the large immigrant communities there so that immigrants and their families feel comfortable coming to you with information

that will help you in enforcing the law and keeping those communities safe? and at the same time balance the need for greater scrutiny and vigilance in insuring that something like this does not happen again? quakes that is a great question -- >> that is a great question, and there is a complex answer to it. it starts off with developing relationships in immigrant communities, something we have paid particular attention to in boston over the last 10 years since community policing has been put into place. we to outreach in minority communities by doing community policing training in spanish. we tried to do specific our reach to the latino community -- we tried to do specific outreach to the latino community because there has been such an influx in our neighborhoods. i go to those glasses.

i listen in and i have an opportunity to talk to people who are newly emigrated to the united states. they're incredibly thankful for the work we're doing in our reach to them. we have developed information, but not because -- not through infiltration, but through appealing to their sense of community and nation. i think that is the answer to this. in large part. you cannot develop a relationship with someone in a crisis. it has to be developed before the crisis. there has to be real attention paid to who is in our community and what are we doing to talk to them? we have to outreach classis, but we have also had great success with social media recently. social media is a dialogue between the police and the community the plays an role in our ability to do our reach to people.

as it relates to stops at the border, it is really important that the bureaucracy does not guide the whole interaction. i think that is the key to it. the horror stories that we hear are usually result of someone following a script that has rules and regulations but no logic. i think there is a combination of both the needs to happen. but again, we are shooting for perfection and it is difficult to achieve. >> as you said earlier, no one bats 1000. i am concerned that we try to fix something before all the

risks are in or that we compromise our way of life to gain intelligence or to gain the cooperation of these immigrant communities. i want to make sure, as someone who represents one of the largest immigrant communities in the united states, that that is not what we do going forward. it will compromise our abilities to make our communities safer. again, i appreciate your answers, your comments, and the work that you and your people have done to make this country safer. thank you. >> we have six and a half minutes. i'm going to allow mr. duncan to ask his line of questioning. then we will recess. witnesses are willing to remain available. we will be back around 11:35 a.m. with that, mr. duncan.

>> peter king needs an apology from mainstream media. he was vilified and demonized for holding radicalization hearings, and we saw the radicalization of muslim views happen with regard to boston. i just want to throw that out there. i appreciate german king's leadership on this issue, -- chairman kim's leadership on this issue, as well as yours. we know that tamerlan tsarnaev was in an fbi database. he was possibly in a screening data base and a text file. multiple different hits in different databases that may have alerted someone in law enforcement that he was a danger. the federal government has known about information sharing

challenges for years. we talked about that in the last congress and pursuing some of that and this congress, i.t. systems, a information sharing, cross referencing. onould do a google search senator lieberman and find out a line because the search engines in the private sector are able to interact, share and cross reference that kind of information. since 2005, the gao has sent out alarms about information. therding to the gao, federal government has made no substantial progress to strengthen the sharing of information among all of its stakeholders including federal, state, local, tribal, international and private sector partners. we just heard that the local and state law enforcement, as part of the jttf, were not notified of information the federal government might have had. if the dot had formed a picture or the intelligence had been shared more effectively, do you

believe we could have prevented the attack? >> i cannot answer that in one word. i think the answer is it is hard to say. someone looked at this initial information and closed the case. so, there was an assessment that there was not enough there to do anything more than an initial interview. that all has to be reviewed as to what factors occurred during the interview, and i do not see that information. there has been other information coming in that there were further databases that may have had wrong information. all of that has to be looked at very closely. i guess in hindsight, if you were to be able to connect all

the dots on that first -- that first interview -- there might have been an open case there that would have caused everyone in the fbi to briefly jttf on it, and we would figure out what each agency wanted to do with that information. you have to look at a time line of who knew what when to make a determination. i do not have that now. if we knew everything we know now, absent the blast, if we knew all of the things that have come out since then, we would have taken a hard look these individuals. at this point and time, i cannot say that when we knew things we would have done anything differently. >> i am just amazed that files were closed on someone that we were notified by a foreign country may have had ties to terrorism.

his name was not put intsyst. thiswe realize that gentleman -- well, let me back up and say i am amazed that the american people, the general public in boston had to identify this guy, that somebody at the fbi or the joint terrorism task force did not say wait a minute, didn't we identify him a couple of years ago? they had to wait for the folks in the boston community to identify him. one of the things we talk about in this committee is that everybody has a system, and if you want to research information about certain individuals, you have to go into one system with a separate password, if you want to go into another system, year after come out, maybe put in new information, and your new password, over and over, of weather is a visa screening or an act of terrorism suspect. this is partly why dhs was set up, so it would be the hub and the wheel to share all that information so we would not have the mistakes made that we saw leading up to boston that we are starting to discover now.

i think this hearing is very timely to raise that awareness in the eyes of the american people. dhs is the hub and the wheel. we've spent hundreds of billions of dollars to do this, and i do not think it has been effective, as seen by boston. thank you for your service. mr. commissioner, god bless you. god bless all of the first responders. >> we thank you witnesses for their patience. we will reconvene at the conclusion of the votes. thank you. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013]

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