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classified. washington journal, live at 7:00 a.m. on c-span. representative walden, if we can start this with the discussion of the spectrum auctions. if you can give us an update of where you stand, where you see that standing. 14, 2015. >> i do not pester -- underestimate the difficulty of doing this auction. it is very complicated. there are a lot of moving parts. they are working diligently to get it right. our job is to make sure that they are hearing to the law, that we are in constant medication, that we want as much of the spectrum made for sale as possible so that we can

build out more wireless infrastructure. there is a lot of discussion about the initial plan, and the most recent one that came out. -- industry is ironically the cellular industry and the broadcast are together on some points. they have some work to do yet to get those plans. and the incentives in place. i do not underestimate the challenge they face. >> you have expressed reservations how the deal -- doj is viewing the roles of the fermentation. >> we sent a letter back to doj clarifying and enlightening them about how the spectrum process works. iw congress views this, and think we made ourselves pretty clear. this is important work.

in norma's numbers of jobs in america come from innovation technology in this sector. we want to make sure aoadcasters know that this is voluntary auction. and that it gets set up in a way so you of maximum number of participants, and maximize the revenue available because our buildup of public safety on the network depends upon that. the money was artie spent to pay for the middle class jobs act and tax cuts. already spent depends on is raising through the auction. and just getting the policy) what i don't want to see, what i was disturbed about with the most recent examples is that they are leaning towards freeing more of the spectrum that gets cleared, or somebody pace to clear, and that is not something that i am a big fan of.

i'm for unlicensed. we make a lot available. inre is more available different bands. this beachfront property we are freeing up is for cross-country localize.ions and >> finally, on the spectrum, what about the issue of first that? >> i am cautious on the efforts going forward. i'm concerned to make sure that the states are appropriately represented, the law enforcement and public safety community is appropriately represented. -- some are upset about how things are happening. this is my majority voice. this is an important voice. as you may or may not know, we did our oversight hearing on first net.

your present tense for states -- your present as it's for you once were there. it is not the same. i wish states had a bigger role. we are going to watch it. i think they are running into the obstacles we thought they would. our proposal and the house was to maximize the infrastructure that is available, the assets available, build up from there. what ended up in the law was a top-down approach. i think they're finding that has its own set of problems and it comes to allocating costs. we had a witness that allocated -- talked about the potential cost on fire departments that , triple.double it was a huge increase. they were like they did not know

how to do this. also join our conversation, tony of politico. >> i want to talk about patent options. when the congressional budget office came back with that figure that said more than $20 billion of revenue from incentive auctions. some of that money went towards paying the middle class jobs act. some has gone for first net. are you still holding the fcc to that number, or is that number unlikely? is it to inflated? >> i do not think we really know at this point. i think what we do know, this is correct, in the past he asked -- office estimates usually undershot what actually happened. iny had an auction failure the old d block.

you have to get it right. that's why we're spending our time focused on making sure that the fcc gets the auction set up correctly. if they do, then i think the opportunity there is there to achieve higher revenue. some of the fcc wanted to proclivity some of the bigger players, at&t, verizon, from participating. i thought back on that. we pointed this out, to do the screens. you can not have a not -- monopoly for that. was the players to be at the table who have the money. if a language in there to say to consider regional options of the other players can be at the table as well have an opportunity for participation. is are balanced -- these are balanced.

>> as you know, the fcc is undergoing a significant leadership change right now. at the same time, they have a lot of work to do to fill in the gap on the incentive auction. what do you think the fcc should do under the acting chair? onuld it do this legwork the spectrum auction, or should away? >> i think they should continue. it is not mean they make every major decision. there is so much that is staff level. let me congratulate him for crashing through the glass ceiling. it is impressive. she is an impressive member of the commission. talented and very bright green and congratulate her on becoming the chairman. should go forward. there's too too much work not to. >> are you afraid that some of the spectrum work might be delayed as the fcc goes for this natural evolution?

>> it is possible. as you know it is like our committee. there is a lot of work that gets at the staff level. as where where the heavy lifting occurs. it comes up to the commission level. i do not think that the staff will be necessarily negative affected by this. i would hope they would hit the pause button. we need to meet our deadlines. they made -- they need to meet theirs. >> one last thing. as a wait for the next chairman, that could be dealer for much of the fcc take a step back and not do anything major while she is in charge? >> she's in charge. she is going to manage it properly i think. she is not going to send macy's the kingdom and pull the drawbridge. she does not operate that way. i think she is very thoughtful. her colleagues on the commission -- i think they will continue to move forward.

i think she would be cognizant of the fact that you going have new commissioners on. i think she is fine. let's what are your thoughts -- >> a divided community on praising business experience and the public interest world who think he is too closely tied to telecom interests. what do you think? >> he is a very talented am a bright individual who has a great depth on the business side. actuallypeople who been out there and know the realities of these different industries. the part that troubles me with the writings he has had going back to 2011, the work i've done on the process reform, he things it is fine to use merger conditions to regulate the market. i find that offensive frankly from a public policy standpoint. to the commission, whichever

commission you want to pick, it is not have the statutory and revelatory authority to affect the marketplace on its own. it should not use the extreme repower to approve or deny a merger to exercise market changes. here is why this is important. you have other players in the market that are part of the merger. there going to be subject to whatever the condition is. that's not really fair to the other participants in the marketplace. these arrays pacific leon this topic. leverage moreto power to the fcc. if they do not have the underlying authority, i think it is wrong to have three people that can just say we are going to hold you to this because we can't accomplish it over there. we know you will get. we know you will give in the

end. who knows what they are giving up to give something bigger. it is not good public policy. >> in a recent speech the national association of broadcasters, you said that you see the fcc has been working .ith expanding its authority >> i think that is -- i knew what i said. . would quote blair levin he said recently that the fcc is becoming more political institution unless an expert agency. that is what i think people get concerned about, when they feel like agencies, whether it is this one or others we are hearing about the press, seem to have their own for gender -- own agenda. i thought that went the fcc break i have said that. i felt that way with the merger conditions read -- conditions.

he and i had a good relationship. we do know is agree. .ut he did some good things he pushed pretty hard on an agenda that he had. i would like to see him get back to the expert tactical agency and i policymaking body that gets beyond where congress is. we're the policymaking body. they should be the the expert agency. >> let's talk about the future of process reform. where we go from here on the legislation? >> are going to the back at it. there are those who opposed our efforts who think process reform allows the sunshine i to go for. it is ironically named because it allows commissioners to meet in private and conduct business.

i come from the state of oregon where business have to do business and public. i can supported if it is connected to other reforms. preventableying is timelines, if you don't need them, tell us why you not even. don't do these data dumps right at the end of a preceding that nobody really has time to read and comment on, and say you have public process. they're going to move forward. i'm passionate about this. it is part of why i lead the transition team to change the house rules under speaker boehner. i'm a journalist by training and education. i think open public process is a good thing and government. lex how do you do it? this became a debate last year. >> we have not made those decisions yet. i would like to find partners

beyond what we had. for the life of me, i cannot understand why the democrats are against more accountability and transparency at the fcc. that is all we're saying. let's codify it. i try to make changes to julius and others that you did reforms, but when you're gone as chair, you're going have another chairman chairman come in with a different part of persuasion that has a whole different management style, and your forms are gone. when we codify them so they go forward. as we saw, a pretty dysfunctional fcc develop. >> you want of a bill or hearing? >> i'm not going to tell you. we have had a lot on our plate. it is on our agenda for this year. we did the cyber hearings. a priorityu know

for me to get the process. lex why do you feel like is the friendly candy company? -- it is just, he has been broadcasting all of his life. he always called it the friendly candy company. howink i had to deal with you use words for letters. fcc is the from the candy company. >> you spoke about the satellite television localization it. what would you like to see done? >> you know it is interesting. we have people in the market place to say you don't i -- you do not need to do anything. then there are a whole collection of folks who say i have something that is going to be a must pass bill here.

, we had ave done hearing just to set the table and say what is it? what part -- what brought it about? where has the marketplace changed? we will have another hearing fairly soon on this issue read we're going to continue methodical past -- path and make decisions where we go. i haven't honed in on what i am going to do. it is not just me. goinge video world is through in norma's change. i think it paradigm change right before our eyes. download thecally signal off air, put it up on the internet, and say that is ok. the has huge consequences potentially.

satellite providers thinking maybe we will do that. you're the cable company that says we will look at that. all of a sudden, april business model marketplace is getting tossed around. stella, areomes to you going to prevent it becoming a christmas tree legislation? >> i'm going to have hearings and we are going to look at the issues. we will see. my hunch is that it ends up being pretty clean. one thingrefer to do and a time and not have all of these other things hoped on. if that is -- i don't know. that is where we should put process reform. i hadn't thought of that. i like that. we can get this done. decision.tioned the

>> i was surprised. broadcaster.dio i'm not a tv guy. look at that. that is a disruptor in the marketplace. sort of like poppers in the marketplace. disruptions are bad at this early. this one is really much bigger consequences as people are beginning to get into it. youo piggyback off of it, have others that are talking about pulling signals. how does that plan cap until? >> that is part of the discussion. at some point producers of programming have to have a way to get paid. or you're not going to programming. somebody has to pay the bill. if that goes away, and

somebody's taking your product and putting it up on cable for free, all of a sudden, you probably have to look at how you change that. --t is what he was caverly he was carefully saying in his remarks. atlanta every switch board. this is theas -- point i am making. you have everybody sitting that going what just happened here. what does that mean? what do you do you do not have contracts? i do not think we know. >> in that same speech, he said you are not convinced retransmission can set needs this time. like said history. >> why? >> most of these agreements have

been reached. ie new -- the marketplace, want competitive marketplaces. i want a marketplace to work. i do not want government coming in unless the marketplace fails. here you have most of the retransmission agreements with and sign. i think virtually all of them are. some of them are now extended out four years or eight years. have worked ins that respect. as a more efficient way to deal with this than to get into a ratesetting body where the government create who is when you get paid what for what. that is not agile. nor did way to go. >> what you think of john .ccain's bill if that manyure

think it is you can just pick youshows that you want, -- still have the tier one requirement where the broadcast signals are there and you go about that. i do not know these talking about getting rid of that. you wonder what that does to the pricing. and to the wide range programming that is out there. there is a trade-off that says with the current system, you get a lot more programming, but frankly, maybe consumers don't want it. there would be the consumer demand probably for it. and is bundled then, think it to be very careful. that would be a real interesting disruptor in the market. some say will be a disaster. suddenly you'll pay much more for the sports programming. >> let's talk about cyber.

it to cybersecurity hearings before energy and commerce. talk about the takeaways from that breed are you happy with -- talk have heard about the takeaways from that. are you happy? i think he came along way. tell you, this is the biggest threat america faces. cyber security threats. we have heard that across the panel. even panelist who had disagreements with what you do about it, they agree that this is a very serious problem for the country. that is where i think mike rogers has done a terrific job as chairman of the committee on intelligence. i asked him.

finding vulnerability is a big deal for america and our security. i think they will develop a lot of good information for it. it going forward i think it is a matter of trying to figure out how to you determine whether there is a vulnerability on a specific piece of the claimant or line of equipment, how'd you you communicate that? who makes those decisions? , some of out there these organizations that have been talked about our price leaders in the marketplace. if you're out there trying to build that little system here and there, there's a cost differential which makes it real incentive to buy that equipment, and yet we have published reports indicating there may be problems in some of that equipment. >> on the supply chain, and do

you have an idea of what you want from the group? >> i tried to put too many type parameters around them. evaluating work group is that they can bring people who might always be the company available to testify. get some real technical experts in. we can go and classify environments, and we can find -- what are defined is if there a way to get to procurement improvement, and figure out where the vulnerabilities really lie, and what the most reasonable course of action is. >> there's been talk about requiring government contractors to adhere to certain set of standards in order to sell to the federal government. it has been on traversal. what do you you think? --this gets to the issue of

literally i know someone who has been big on one of the grants to build out broadband. putting together a proposal to do it. i do not think that is going to be appropriate. that came out the hearing that we had. this is random. there is no standard out there. there is no consistency. there is no -- there is this random call in the night if you will to do that. it is classified. we are trying to figure out how do you have a system in place that is more predictable and open? >> the house pastor internet freedom bill. why did you fill the need for that legislation? >> we were -- we didn't do so well in dubai. a united nations believe that structured toe regulate the internet.

thatis legacy authority is designed to deal with all -- telephone calls between countries and over copper. you have got some actors out there in countries that probably don't embrace our first amendment rights and freedoms like we do. they want control of the internet through the u.n. through the itu process. in order to be able to control what is going on on the internet. i am a legal accent piracy. -- i do not mean illegal acts pray i'm he making at your -- i do not mean illegal acts. i mean e-mails and stuff. e-mail is one of the greatest and humankind.s inwe were voting on that

switzerland, there was another meeting going on. i just felt as did my colleagues in the house we needed to take this up to a higher level and make it the policy of the united states, which puts in statute that the multi-stakeholder approach is the best. it is what has given us this great mechanism of free speech. there were some concern by some of my democrat friends that somehow this language they all voted for last time and putting it in as a statute might affect the net neutrality issue where we have to -- where we have disagreement. we got language they agree did not offend that issue, and we move forward. i would be hopeful the senate would pick it up and pass it.

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