i, author of the "power surge," discusses the power in the u.s., including fracking. "washington journal" is next. ♪ host: good morning. at the white house this week the president begins with a mental health summit that will take place tomorrow and on tuesday. president obama will host the president of chilly. he will head to the south coast to have two days of meetings with the president of china. congress returns this week with another round focused on the irs investigation. it is sunday, june, second. we will begin with congress's return. our phone lines are open.

we welcome your e-mail and you can join us on our facebook page or send us a tweet. front-pagen with the story of "the new york times," and the meeting will be taking place between the president and president of china. the defense secratary also speaking about that. let us begin with congress

returning this week and headlines from "thehill.com". court challenges could tear down major pieces of obama care. the president's health care law is attacked in the courts even as it springs towards its full implementation. joining us live on the phone is an editor of the hill newspaper. let us begin with this headline from your colleague, sam baker. guest: this makes the case that legal challenges to obama care are not finished. there are a handful of lawsuits, some in the pipeline, that are closer to getting to the higher courts. the focus on the irs setting up insurance programs, which is a concern even for supporters of obama care. if that ever got the supreme court that could be struck down. the irs has been in the news recently. there is another lawsuit on the

birth control provision. a couple of issues that are in the pipeline. the legal challenges of obama care are still ongoing. host: there's one point that congress will be focusing on, -- ting out that as you and others are pointing out, hearings on the irs this week. guest: irs commissioner will be testifying before the house appropriations committee just tomorrow. oft is just the beginning the hearing. the ways and means will be looking at conservative groups. later in the week we have the oversight committee who will be highlighting a new audit about

conference spending. the acting commissioner said it was inappropriate. we will get more details on how much wasteful spending was spent on these conferences later this week. the focus will be on the look i rest. -- will be on the irs. host: putting blame on the osha administration. guest: it goes back. there's a lot to be done at the irs. there are a lot of reforms. from yourher story --league jennifer is congressman mike rogers of michigan,, on michigan,ent -- of

calling on the president of china. in singapores accusing china of cyber- espionage, drawing some strong responses from the chinese government. host: this could be a concord meeting between the president and the chinese leader because clearly the u.s. government always has enough proof that over the years the chinese government has been involved in these hacking incidents. the fact that they may be setting up some type of new memorandum or new process for certain things are not allowed formally is an indication that it could be progress. this is going to be an awkward meeting. host: other things to look for it, july 1 is the deadline before student loan rates

increase. we heard from the president on friday at the white house. congress is going to have to do something. host: absolutely. congress andr ago president obama challenged republicans to keep the rates at 3.4% and republicans to not like the democratic remedy and under political pressure they caved. republicans are saying they are not equivocate this year. they want to tie the rates not to an artificial number like 3.4%. they would pass legislation that would tie it more to market rates. that has drawn a white house veto and senate democrats are working on their own bill that they hope to get to this week that would freeze the rate at 3.4% for two years. they say are going to stand strong. between now and july 1 there is

going to be a lot on that. a couple of other agenda items before we let you go. the foreign bill, where does that stand in the senate? guest: that is going to be the first thing that the senate addresses this week. they are going to be working through various amendments. that is a bipartisan bill. that is expected to pass the senate. it passed the senate last year but not on the floor. if you talk to house members that are pushing the farm bill, they are optimistic they are going to get the vote. house leadership has indicated there will be a floor vote. a lot goes to what is called snap, a food stamp program and the allotment for funding in

those bills. conservatives really want to ratchet that number down. there is more hope that a farm bill can be signed into law this year or perhaps early into next year. there is a long way to go. host: a major centerpiece of the president's agenda is immigration. we talked to congressman bob good luck, the chair of the house judiciary committee. two different approaches in each chamber. >> the senate judiciary committee has reported out a bipartisan bill 13-5. that bill is going to go on the senate floor next week. senate?pass the in all likelihood it will. then the focus is on the house. thebipartisan group in house has struggled to get a bill. close to leasing a

bill that would move to the judiciary -- to releasing a bill that would move through the judiciary committee. they are saying the matter what senate does the house is not going to pass that bill. i think that is right. there is enormous political pressure over two or three months. the house is not going to take up the senate bill so the air up there 20 either -- so they are going to either move this bipartisan bill or bob is going to move a series of individual bills through his committee and on the floor. one area where you see the house move is -- they are not going to move a vote on one big bill. they are going to vote on very narrow bills. the real battle will begin to read if they ever get that accomplished it will be another vote in the house and senate to see if we can get to

president obama's desk. host: does political notes from your colleague about mitt romney trying to resurface in 2014 and remain relevant among the republican party circles. could we see him on the campaign trail for the upcoming midterm elections or will he just be a behind-the-scenes player? guest: he is good at raising money. he is a big name. after the 2012 election he said he is not going to go away. i do not think you are going to see him anywhere in every kind of campaign across the country. certainly president obama and more michelle obama is going to be on the campaign trail more than romney. i think of candidates want romney, he is clearly indicating he will show up. host: as the beginning month, eyes on the special alexian at the end of the month.

june 25 in massachusetts, a special election to replace john kerry. what are you looking at? to getthis race is going nastier as we get closer to the election. he isran of the house -- the favorite. he is not a huge favorite. gomez has not said he is a another scott brown. it is interesting that his opposition has compared assad to scott brown to get the independent vote. -- compare himself to scott brown to get the independent vote. they need six seats to take back the majority. we give them a huge momentum should be pulled off. there is no doubt that

republicans winning in massachusetts would be an upset. thank you for being with us. we appreciate your time. guest: i appreciate it. callswe want to get your and comments. the phone numbers are on your screen. we do have a headline for those of you watching outside of the united states. theis weekly address president talked of congress coming back this week. [video clip] >> members of congress will be coming back next week for a an important month for. we have to keep its progress going until middle class families start regaining that sense of security and cannot let partisan politics get in the way. congress should pass a law giving every responsible homeowner a chance to sit about $3,000 per year on their mortgage refinancing at historically low interest rates.

congress should americans to work to rebuild our roads and bridges. the unemployment rate would fall faster. congress should fit our broken immigration system bypassing common-sense reform that continues to strengthen our borders, hold employers accountable, and provides a pathway to earn citizenship. it also modernizes our legal immigration system so we are reuniting families and tracking the highly skilled entrepreneurs and engineers who will help our economy grow. host: some of you already weighing in on our facebook page. richard smith -- larry is joining us from mississippi, a good morning.

i wish you would get -- on your show so he can explain what congress did in 1954. the republican party is changing and so they are getting tax breaks. it's just pitiful. i blame congress for what is going on. [indiscernible] the people in congress to an even know it. host: thank you for the call. a follow-up on twitter --

this on our facebook page -- to our next call is not joining us from pleasanton, california. nick joining us from pleasanton california. i am really upset with the house and senate trying to pass an immigration bill. they are concerned with what they want and with what the party wants. the country is secondary. they want their party to get credit for whatever.

republicans do not want anything unless it is what they want. does notlican party determine how i feel about things. the houseening how and senate tries to pass bills in secret until the last minute and the public cares very little about the bills. it is all talking points. line on our independent richard is joining us from lake placid, florida. not expect congress to do something significant. they are plenty kick the can down the road, they cannot fix problems. nothing can get fixed. we will see the same issues. immigration, tax reform, health care. all of these wars we are involved in. all this will remain until we

50%, maybeat least and of our elected leaders put in people who are leaders that will protect the people. have gotten so far away from the constitution that they just laugh at and ignore it. all of going on with these hoaxes? that is what they are. they are just destructors from the people -- they are just distractions for the people. thank you, on our twitter page of you following up on our facebook page. let me share three of the comments.

gilbert is joining us from birmingham alabama. a shut my fellow citizens in oklahoma. -- a shout out to my fellow

citizens in oklahoma. i find it amazing that we as a nation cannot figure out -- we profess to be a god-fearing nation. thing and do whatever they want to do. those of us that have been keeping up with the news, they have been writing a lot of articles concerning the military bill. i feel that the congress, the president, and the people of this country should face that very seriously. if we do not try to protect our nation will kind of nation have we become? can allow our country to be bought out like a meat packing country and everything is in town. country'se the

charging our military. host: the president travels to palm springs california. coming up later in this program will give you insights to the specific location where this meeting will be taking place with the president paz counterpart, the president of china. a busy week as congress returns and we are focusing on that on washington journal. "cq weekley,"y memo was sent late last week by the house republican leader erich cantor of virginia, pointing out that this memo was circulated friday afternoon, -- aning a busy special busy schedule for the june war. . -- for the june work. .

bills are being written on the $967 billion level, that includes the budget sequester to thein addition foreign bill. the foreign bill is on track to reach the floor this year. let me go back to the cover story on sequestration and share with you some of the details. it is titled --

that is the cover story this morning. frank is joining us from texas on the republican line. as congress prepares to return this week with a busy month of june and july, a good morning. caller: good morning. how are you? host: fine.

caller: thank you for accepting my call, it was a while since i have gotten through. congress and the house, this has been going on for years. bunch ofthem are a jerks up there. they are old cronies. they need to let the younger generation that are smart -- everybody isend, going bachman. the sequester is not working. what is general motors doing? they are going to china. it is ridiculous. i was a gm person for years.

it is a situation now where the foreign countries are taking us over. host: we appreciate it. the director of "the national charnel" has a piece on those lines, focusing on the middle- class as wall street continues to see record highs -- michael joins us from del rey, florida. i much in the rebroadcast -- i am watching at the rebroadcast. host: double for listening. -- thank you for listening. caller: i wanted to touch on a point that was brought up recently. i think the root of all of the

issues that we have been discussing this campaign and finance reform. it is a system that causes our political leaders to no longer be delegates. the authority is with the constituents. it has become so expensive and so systemic, it has completely degraded the entire political process. thelieve a primary where top two candidates are voted -- thisall constituents is of the primaries create more of a partisan system. create a situation where more of these issues can be tackled and soft.

a follow-up to an earlier tweet about the deficit -- some new deficit numbers came out late last month. laura is joining us from michigan on the republican line. congress prepares to return this week following memorial day break. was on my mind is house of serving the people are in congress. problem with the airports, the wanted to get home, immediately that was taken care of. the republicans are asking the president to set a budget. nothing has been done. and it has been put on the back shelf. it is quite disgusting. i am an ex -- i am an ex- republican.

about general motors and china, they have been there for 15 years. i wish people would pay attention to what is going on instead of stating mindless and incorrect information. >> the op-ed pages of "the ," this piece -- as bob husak of the hill newspaper indicated, tomorrow and tuesday congress and irs will be seeing new hearings. this new video taking place -- taking aim at the president -- [video clip] >> i think it was on friday. >> which they did you learn? >> the same day the president did. >> so no one told you? >> who was responsible?

clucks i do not have that name. >> i do not know. go after a there to set of questions. >> that is the first we have heard of it. >> no one is aware. >> i do not accept responsibilities for all of the action. >> i did not know any details at that time. >> nobody is saying that. expect you were there. >> i was there. >> i have decided to follow my counsel's advice and not testify or answer any questions today. >> which they did the conversation take place? do you have notes on that? >> i do not know. >> i first learned about it from the same news report. >> i have not done anything wrong. >> what i continue to believe is that ultimately the buck stops with me. i am going to be accountable.

that is from the republican national committee. a front-page story below the fold --

our next call is george joining >> good morning. put uprican public is some disheartening national disasters, floods and tornadoes. their spirits being drained by that. next week, an unnatural disaster occurs, a group of millionaires and narcissists coming back into washington dc and getting face time on television. that is what they are about. they want to have their faces on television, their words pontificating to us and they get nothing done. the rate of poverty for children in this country is a shame. the root of joblessness is a shame. these people, if you have any shame, would take care of joblessness and poverty. ,ut they love wealth some much

such a shallow spiritual life, and they spend their time arguing amongst each other about who gets to brag, who gets the most time on television. it is a shame. host: thank you for the call. is this point with regard to the attorney general eric holder's he says, holder needs to go. join us on our twitter page at twitter.com/c-span. front page of the washington post , this is a story might want to read. it is titled cost and benefits. the backlash over a plan to close some of the base supermarkets. it shows how difficult it is in reigning in military spending related to personnel. there is one example from the page in terms of shopping for groceries, giant which is a chain in the mid atlantic area, including here in washington tems cost fouri jus

dollars and $.99 compared to six dollars and $.89 at the giant supermarket. they offer a discount to military veterans of the trouble to walmart a few miles away. it also points out that the government is looking at trying to privatize some of the commissaries and the challenges it faces in doing so. morning.ront page this linda joins us next from minneapolis, republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i'm calling because of infrastructure. in seattle, it reminded me of what happened in minnesota a couple of years ago. i don't understand what congress does and more. if you read the constitution, their job is supposed to be, to go there, represent the people. for the people, by the people. is gohington, all they do on tv and talk nonsense. we need people who can go into the job. i am sick and tired, i don't

care if it is democrat or republican or whatever. they need to do their job. we elect them to do the job to serve the people. not to go there and talk about on sense we don't care about. do your job to create jobs for people. we need to fix our infrastructure so that we are still number one in the world. don't talk about nonsense. thank you very much. host: republican line minneapolis. edmonds has on our twitter page as an independent -- i would like to see congress put aside for local differences and do some and to rebuild the country. it won't happen. front-page story inside the "new york times and look at colonoscopies explain why the u.s. leads the world in health expenditures. it points out that while the united states medical system is famous for drugs costing hundreds of thousands of dollars in heroic care the end of life, there is a more significant factor in the nations $2.7 trillion annual health-care bill. which may not be the use of

extraordinary services, but the high-priced type of ordinary ones. colonoscopies offer a compelling case study, in some cases it can cost as much as $9,000, covered by insurance. an explanation of why insurance rates continue to go up. front page this morning. chris joining us from new haven, connecticut on our democrat line. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. that new york times article hit the nail on the head. i was really calling about passing the college loan bill so that young people are not saddled with incredible debt. weher way to go about it, should have less emphasis on accreditation and more emphasis on people learning the information that they need. itow have the internet,

actually reminds me of ben franklin who did not have a college degree, did not go to harvard but invented the lightning rod which made him the most famous american in the world before the revolt. i really think that it is incumbent on people to invest in their own educations. yet the franklin institute, one in philadelphia and one in new haven, which were for working people to have an education without the sponsorship of some unlike their parents or someone else. working people to get an education on their own, by studying with a little bit of direction from a teacher at the institute. i think that is the way to go. we have got the tools now.

have a 1932 addition of a high school textbook that my father had in the house. i did not have to read another book in high school that i did not want to read. i differ your call. mark has this on our twitter page -- the president space program and nasa is the story of p.j. o'rourke from the weekly standard titled, obama's asteroid. an edit for ill by bill kristol calling it a low, dishonest administration. he joined us this past week and says, it is depressing when the people reelected barack obama were stuck with them for 3.5 more years. --

he also says it is an opportunity for republicans to pursue their oversight responsibilities in a way that serves the public interest in checking a wayward executive while also making the case against a sprawling and unaccountable government. this morning, bill kristol. next is christie joining us from new york. good morning, republican line. caller: good morning. i have one quick comment. that is about the irs. i believe they should be disbanded immediately. that display they gave when they testified to congress was very shameful. not one of them told the truth. you should go to the flat tax immediately and stop these power-hungry people from putting people -- fear in the american people. thank you very much. host: chicago getting some attention from some cover stories, including the "new york times" send the magazine.

the death and life of chicago is the cover story. former congressman, now mayor, rahm emanuel was the cover story. chicago bull, fighting both crime and failing schools, why are people mad at him? , a look at some neighborhoods in chicago stuck in the shadow of affluence. how the epidemic of empty foreclosed homes in chicago has forced neighborhoods and ignited a new form of guerrilla activism. that is from the sunday new york times sunday magazine. mandy is next, from maryland, good morning democrat line. caller: think you for taking my call. i want to send out my purse to oklahoma. if anybody could use government money, it is the people of oklahoma. whoe are the people

probably rely more on their own initiative been on top-down bureaucracy. i am a teacher -- host: what you teach what grade? caller: i teach social studies in high school. i've been paralyzed by the vast bureaucracy in the educational system. i know this extends to all levels of government. host: why is that the case? we hear so often from teachers who complain about bureaucracy, paperwork, the standard of learning, skills that are desired -- require that are not allowed to teach and it sucks ability. caller: the quality of teachers is slowly going down. intouthorities being put the hands of bureaucrats. not just in education, but in the case of all government agencies. it is very paralyzing.

host: thank you for the call. now from york, pennsylvania. welcome to the program. caller: good morning. i hope when congress gets back in session they do something about the china buyout of smithfield. i certainly don't feel good with china having a big footprint in our food supply. i am really upset with congress because of the money that we give to gm, and now they are going to spend $1.3 billion building a new cadillac plant in china. that is our money they are taking over to china. i was congress would put restrictions on money when they handed out two different companies. that is all i have got to say. i'm getting concerned about china and hope they do something. host: a meeting will be taking place later this week between the president of china and president obama in palm springs, california. from twitter --

join us on our twitter page, it is twitter at cspanwj. stephanie from highland, california. good morning caller: good morning. i hope congress comes back and puts all partisanship aside and work for the people and do the will of the people and protect the workers of the united states of the americans. i am really sick of all the partisanship. i am tired of the arguments and bickering and pointing of fingers. when you do and to work for a change. andcountry can grow prosper. we need peace in our country. i just hope they come back and put all partisanship aside and do the will of the people and work for our best interest for a change. it is not the is, economy, it is our future, stupid. host: thank you.

experts released last week, the full issue on tuesday, he points out that the irs has spent an estimated $49 million on at least 220 conferences for employees over a three year span beginning back in fiscal year 2010. that is according to this forthcoming report that will prompt some fresh scrutiny on the already embattled agency. that story this morning inside the washington post. the bureau chief for the daily news has this piece, available the daily news website. .o the washington d.c. hustle this is the dance of the capital of america as the disco ball spun, the attribution shuffle was performed last week amid a great kerfuffle. he writes it was a window into the ethically challenged culture that should battle normal citizens. it is central to how the press

t's symbolice and i relationship with sources that produce many of the stories that you read watch and hear. it is a form of self imprisonment, even self- delusion, driven by a craving for access to the powerful. it began with revelations of the justice department's decision to procure phone records and e- mail accounts of reporters in separate investigations dealing with national security leaks. he points out that many in the media were outraged, but some climbing that going after a reporter for soliciting classified information violates the first amendment. the bottom line for the attorney general is that he was self- inflicted in this mess, he has ,een criticized by allies beckoning him for ritualistic beatings. he extended the olive branch. with the stated goal of recalibrating the justice department guidelines. the hitch, the meetings would be off the record.

online.read more sandra is joining us from winston-salem north carolina, democrats line. caller: good morning. good morning. i appreciate you having a son. -- us on. we have been going through a lot of distractions and i want to see when our government gets to a place where they honor the man they put in office, but not just with honoring him, but honoring the people's desires and needs. it will take all of us to rebuild america. it will take all of us to rebuild our infrastructure. it will also take them to stop playing games with each other. stop playing dodge ball and putting the focus back on what is important, that is families. , this country, that is this country, it is families. as a result of that, we will be

distracted and doing opposite things instead of building each other up. a man is teaching us what will be most important if we don't start getting a grip on what is most important and that is loving each other. getting rid of some of these issues like racism and power struggles and stuff and start ,aking cuts in the legislation their money, and be able to understand middle-class and the people that do put in the money to these government-funded programs of stuff. host: thank you for the call. jan has this point to our earlier caller from maryland -- her point about education, start with your local school board, they are the ones who hire teachers in your school. an obituary movement thessalonica to mr. the weekend, jean stapleton passed away at the age of 90. she is described as a character who emboldened and emerging feminism.

she held a conference on women's issues. family" shen the betrayed elinor or in a one- woman stage production of eleanor roosevelt. emmyeceived eight nominations, won three times. part of a political right .hrough a normal manner she passed away at the age of 90. coming up in the next hour and a half, we are going to focus on a speech that the president delivered last month at morehouse college in atlanta. a speech that has been getting a lot of attention so we wanted to shine a light on what he had to say and its impact on african-american men. we will take a look at, joining us at the table will be crystal wright and joe madison. later, mike leavevi will be joig us. book tv on c-span twos and c-span3's american history , we're weekend

featuring the history and literary life of palm springs, california. join us today at 5:00 eastern time on c-span3's american history tv to watch our program on palm springs and the surrounding area, including the edinburg retreat called sunny land. seven presidents have visited sunny land. but this week, the president will host the president from china. cybersecurity will be front and center in the meetings. here is a preview. sunnylands is the historic escape -- estate. they built it as a winter residence. it was completed in 1966. they lived here until their deaths in 2002 and 2009. it has been referred to as the camp david of the west. s cames because president

here to relax and get away from the hustle and bustle of washington d.c. during the edinburg lifetime. 's father owned a company called triangle publications inc. that company published the daily racing form and the philadelphia inquirer. his father was involved in this business for decades. he actually was sent to prison in 1940 for tax evasion. at that point, walter took on the reins of triangle publications. it was in deep financial problems. he was responsible for introducing a number of new publishing elements that were wildly successful. 17 magazine was launched in the early 1940's.

first magazine in america geared specifically for young women. he pulled together this idea of tv guide and launched tv guide at a time when there were only 10% of american households who owned televisions. that became the most popular magazine in america, the highest circulation for decades, and made the bulk of the fortune of tangled publications. -- sunnylands in palm springs, california. a preview this afternoon at 5:00 eastern time. also the literary life of palm springs, california on c-span2. focusing on nonfiction books. you can check it out anytime on our website at c-span.org. for the next hour and a half, we want to focus on a speech the president gave last month. one of his four commencement

addresses. this one focused on african- american men and their own responsibility. first, take a look at one statistic when it comes to the employment rate cording to the latest from the department of labor. young african-american men between ages 2724 have among the highest on employment met rate -- unemployment rate. you can see among white men there. he says it is time for african- american men to take the responsibility -- here's part of what he had to say. >> just as morehouse taught you to spend more of yourself, inspire those who look up to you to expect more of themselves. too many young men in our community continue to make bad choices. i have to say, growing up, i made quite a few myself. i broke off my own feelings as just another example of the world trying to keep a black man down. i had a tendency to make

excuses for me not to the right -- and doing the right thing. one of the things you have learned of the last four years, there is no longer any room for excuses. president at morehouse college. we want to welcome crystal wright, the editor and publisher of conservative blackchick.com. and joe madison. thank you for being with us. this was a speech that resonated in the african american community. why? sost: i think because for long, the president has avoided talking to all black audiences. particularly, black individuals. when i look at that we are in year five of his presidency, the second term, he only seems compelled to talk to all-black audiences when he is behind in the polls, as we saw in 2007 when he was running for his first term. to me, he is loath to even refer to himself as a black man.

i was heartened to see him show up at morehouse college. i thought it was great for a historically black university to have our first black president of the united did speak. i had some issues with his speech. but i am glad he showed up for a change. host: we'll come to some of the specifics. joe madison, why did he give this speech and by now? guest: i would start off with a couple of exceptions to what crystal said. first of all, i have been to at least two congressional black caucus dinners at which he has spoken. interestingly enough, you had members of the congressional like maxine waters and others that have been critical because he appears to somehow chastise the black community for not doing this or that. he has spoken at howard. youth spoken to african leaders.

i know they had a conference at the white house where they brought together young african business leaders, future leaders of the continent, along with african-american leaders in this country. can we not forget his comments about trayvon martin, when he clearly said if trayvon martin , he would look like trayvon martin. this is not a president who has not identified himself with the black community. when we are asked the question, why this speech and why now, i would also take exception to the fact that it is because he is behind on his polls. he is not. as a matter of fact, we have the highest approval rating he has had in quite some time. in the african-american community, it is still in the

high 80's-90's. i think it is an opportunity, if because, possibly to you have midterm elections coming up. the african-american community is critical in these congressional races and many of the senate races. host: something very personal, more excerpts from the speech of the president at morehouse college delivered two weeks ago. joining us at the table, joe madison and crystal right -- wright. we will go for an hour and a half, plenty of time for you to weigh in on this topic. we will have your calls, e- mails, and tweaked -- tweets. putting up the unemployment rate of african-american men, especially among the ages of 20 have and 24, you can see the statistics. . it goes down substantially at the age of 25.

that leads to a series of other issues. crime in the inner-city. guest: you hit the nail on the head. the problem with presiden barack obama is he has no black agenda. no solutions to attack the dire unemployment facing back americans. we know the unemployment have been disproportionately affecting blacks. black unemployment is almost 13%-14%, twice the national average. in urban cities like washington d.c., we have certain neighborhoods where black men unemployment is between 30%-50%. in brooklyn, i think it was 50% at one time. in detroit, in milwaukee, and the president when he goes to morehouse, he does not talk about these things. it puts the responsibility on those young men graduating from morehouse worked for four years, in aof them the first family to finish college. his message to them is, you need to take responsibility for the feelings of the economic

policies that democrats have pushed for the last 40 years. you guys need to take responsibility. i would argue that the speech should have been -- he told those kids, do not go after the dream of being successful. and making something of yourself and taking the responsibility to make yourself successful. he said, go to the barbershops, go to the churches. the problem i have that message, young black men need to be taught to take responsibility for themselves. he also should've told them, marriage, the lack of marriage is killing our communities. are born tobabies unwed mothers, compared to 30% of white americans. we all know, and he spoke about this, but did not go into the details of it, because he does not have solutions. what bothers me when he talks to black americans who overwhelmingly supported him in the first and second term, we know without the minority vote, he would not have one either election, really. she has a different message for

black americans and has not faced the real problems affecting our community. when he talks to an all-white college like notre dame, it is a different message. if you want to be the president for all, he has to stick with that message. either you or the president for all, or you will not do identity politics. his constituents -- i don't think he is addressing the problems facing black america. host: i'll get your response, but when you look at education in comparison between black americans versus white americans, you can see among black males, 25 and older, 19% hold a bachelors degree or higher. -- high a highest local school diploma or higher. white males, about 32% have a bachelors greater more. your point about responsible to, he did talk about not making excuses and flooding that stand in the way of your achievement. here is more of the president in atlanta, georgia at morehouse college. >> every one of you have a grandma or an uncle or a parent

who has told you that at some point in life, as an african american, you have to work twice as hard as else if you want to get by. may put itsident even better, he said whatever you do, strive to do it so well that no man living and no man dead and no man yet to be born can do it any better. [applause] i promise you, what was needed in his time, that spirit of excellence and hard work and dedication and that is needed now more than ever. if you think you can get over in this economy just because you have a morehouse tigre, you are in for a rude awakening. if you stay hungry, if you keep youring, if you keep on grinding get other folks to do the same, nobody can stop you. , is that aadison

public policy agenda or something that should be part of the personal dna that he was talking about? guest: the same speech that i would give it any commencement, high school or college. let me say this. i think the mistake we often make in this town, and for those of us who may have different thatogical bents, is progressives, i will be critical of them first. many progressives are quite critical of the speech. i find that really interesting. i had a conversation with my good friend robert woodson who is a conservative african- american. ,ust the other day, at an event he said that it was the best speech he ever heard the president gave. i find it fascinating. i hear it is too hard, too much yelling.

and then conservatives saying, i love this personal responsibility. here's the point i like to make. i often do this. both sides are wrong. wrong. it is not all personal responsibility. ,nd it is not all public policy and i think what you heard in the president's address at morehouse, his commencement speech coming is is a combination of both. it is both public policy and personal responsibility, so what he said was, look, we have high expectations of you young men. remember, this is the best and brightest of the morehouse colleges, just as spillman the best ofoad is

women. this question of bringing it to the barber shops. this is what he did. he took public policy issue to the barber shops, the beauty shops, because this is where the discussion has to take place. we have to talk about more than reality television and the divas of atlanta, or wherever those shows are. the other thing i heard him say was that you have a responsibility to take that that experience,isdegree, take and left others up, impact public policy, as well as help others who have been left behind. host: ron says, what were the issues that you did not like about the speech? guest: the first thing is that the president goes into a black vernacular when he talks to black audiences. we saw it in their congressional black caucus. we saw it with more house, and with the first lady when she

spoke to buoy college university, and maryland. college university, in maryland. hy would you go to morehouse and talk about hustling? i have a problem with that. he opened the speech by saying, thati know some of you are graduating summa cum laude, and then he says, thank you lord, and then brothers and sisters, comment, iber shop meant, he looked at them after they earned a college degree, which is a phenomenal feat, considering so many are not degrees, and he

said you need to go to the barber shops and churches and of those along. my biggest problem with the speech is -- democrats continually -- and it should be about personal responsibility. first, i think degrees, and he it is personal responsibility. for too long, black americans, as a race, have been failing because of economic policies come and it is a patchwork and substitute for personal responsibility. i have a problem with him telling young black men that they are obligated to help anybody. if you are selfish and make something of yourself, went to become successful, you can decide how to put your money. i other problem is, when he talks to kids at notre dame and other white audiences, he talks about person responsibility. he has become a millionaire by writing books. my second problem with the speech is a lack of probing the issues that have been plaguing

black americans for the last 40 years. it out of wedlock birth rate, education, and theresponsibilit. for too fact that social welfare policies are keeping us down, not giving us of the economic ladder. hasaid in a speech, and he used it before when he spoke to the kids at the order game. lawyer, doyou are a not go after protecting the rich and powerful, co after helping the little guy. i am sorry. for the young man he talks about that came from foster parents who got accepted to law school -- and let us not even talk about the trillions in student loan debt out there -- there is nothing wrong with success. thosewhen he spoke to notre dame students in 2009 past success. success.

we have the ability to get back to our churches and organizations we choose to be mentors when we are successful. i am not saying, as a young person, people cannot volunteer, but that is not the message to leave to graduates. i know you have a lot of debt, but do not worry about making money. host: crystal wright is the editor of conservativeblackchick.com, also the owner of baker wright group, a graduate of georgetown diversity, earned a master's from vcu. joe madison is the former executive director of the naacp, radio talk show host of wxyz. washingtonduate of university in st. louis. we will talk about detroit in a moment. we are strictly on sirius

now. host: to another portion of the president's speech at morehouse college in atlanta. >> be the best father you can be to your children because nothing is more important. i was raised by a heroic single mom, wonderful grandparents, made incredible sacrifices for are moms know there and grandparents here who did , but ie for all of you wish i had a father who was not only president, but involved. i did not know my dead. tomy whole life i've tried be for my girls and michelle what my father was not for my mother and me. i want to break that cycle where a father is not at home. where a father is not helping to raise their son or daughter. father, abe a better better husband, a better man.

it is hard work. it demands your constant attention and frequent sacrifice. to be forand i promise you, michell tell you i am not perfect. my has a long list of imperfections. even now, i'm still learning, still getting corrected, learning how to behave in be a good husband and father. but i tell you this, everything else is unfulfilled if we fail at family, if we fail at that responsibility. goodness, everything i heard in the speech contradicted what crystal said. he did not mention the 70%, and everything crystal points out in terms of the problems are right. no one disagrees with that. the unemployment rate, absolutely. let me go over couple of notes i made. publication. i do not know about most people,

but when i was growing up, i high school teachers, my minister, the people in my community said, look, joe, you have to do your best. we have high expectations of you. hope you will come back to the community and the people off, lift people up that you left behind. just to not take that degree and run off. the president of the united states is not against success. there was nothing in those remarks that suggested he was against success. as a matter of fact, he kept repeating a theme, you have got to be all that you can be. let's talk about when you speak at notre dame as opposed to morehouse college. the first i ever learned in rhetorical classes is that you

have to know your audience. i would say to those future wall street executives, yes, you should go to wall street and help the little guy because it is the little guy that is investing in pension funds, investing in 401k's, and it is the little guy that are hurt most wall street went broke. when it comes to student loans, we are talking about a president who just tell the news conference where he wants congress to know " to prevent the student loans from dublin, from going from 3% to 6%, which $4,000 to $2,000 to the student out here, and has asked those in college, folks with degrees, without degrees, to please to what? get involved in public policy

and get this do-nothing congress to come back and prevent those student loans from a doubling. this is not the time to double student loans in the united states of america for students. .ost: let's get to our calls steve is with us from tempe, arizona. good morning. republican line. we will try one more time. .ood morning to you caller: good morning. steve from tempe, ariz.. from tempe but i ied to live in manhattan, attended schools throughout the city, so i know what the black community needs, from seeing in in the aa meetings.

he had no said that solutions, but i wonder if a more appropriate question would be if the liberals have no solutions. guest: turn the volume down on your set -- host: turn the volume down on your set and it will come through better. guest: i agree that liberal to not have solutions because if the president talked about his solutions, as joe pointed out, he feels there is a combination of press about the ability and solutions. we know that liberal solutions have not helped black americans with respect to affirmative action programs, with respect to crime. it is funny because the president, when an all-white student -- when mostly white students were killed tragically in newtown, and then the

and then in aurora, again the difference, we saw him react very angrily -- gabby him at act very angrily. meanwhile, in his hometown of chicago, 5000 murders. this year we are up to 100, mostly blacks killing blacks. we know of one woman who performed at the president's inaugural one week later was tragically slain as she stood talking to friends by young thugs. so we do not see the president talking about -- and this is really black genocide. you have had over 44,000 black children killed at the hands of gun violence. that is more than all of the blacks were lynched and then before the civil war ended through 1964. this is according to the

children's defense fund data. no solutions being offered and yet, joe talked about student loans. i would argue personal responsibility means the presidential be telling students not to take on more debt than they can afford. go to community college, go to state colleges. it is not about the interest- rate dublin. the president expects parking americans like you and me and the other young people paying back their debts to pay back the dead of those that take on too much to the loan debt. the president also last year keeps on pulling the student loan forgiveness. if we are going to walk the feel the president talking the talk. i do not feel him walking the walk with policies. what is he proposing? i am not talking about gun control. that will do nothing to stop the

genocide in our cities is proportionately affecting black americans. xm channel 119. we are talking about the president's address at morehouse college. joe madison, i want your response to that, but also this from stephen. he is a phd. he describes or house college as an elite institution. its graduates do not need it peptalk on their obligations. guest: you need both. you really do. it is an elite organization. that is interesting. on the other hand, notre dame is also an elite organization. he gets criticized because he did not do this or say that. excuse me, the naval academy is

an elite organization. he gives a peptalk at all the military academies with responsibilities for the people. the purpose of a commencement speech is to give them a pep talk. it is to tell them, you have got to get out here and help the society. that may go back to a couple of points. one on affirmative-action. i hear this argument all the time. it is interesting, particularly coming from conservatives. into ant, you may get institution because of affirmative action programs, but i guarantee you when you take an exam or take a lecture, you have to take the same thing everyone takes. the one hand to hand affirmative-action exam. you have to graduate with the same requirements as anyone that gets in there. as a matter of fact, some people

get in on legacy who are not as qualified as those who get in on high sat's. -- two of thes most accomplished african- americans got in school on affirmative-action. lookit what those programs gave them an opportunity to do. i will give you another example. professor gates at harvard university. he was also in that same class of graduates that came out of yale. people again, we have back into school because their parents are big donors, legacy, that type of thing. black andthing about black, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. this is where personal responsibility comes in.

this meaning of our community is something that is constantly talked about. this is not something that is silent in the african-american community. in my show, we discuss it almost every day. what are we going to do about it, how will we stop it? here is what bothers me when you rent -- mention aurora, newtown, those were white people killing mostly white people. but you never hear people say white on white crime, white on white murder. i would venture to say that more white people and black people have been shot and killed by handguns in this country, and this is not something that we should divide on racial lines, but something where we should all come together. one proposal was background checks. the went to justin that guns on a bit taken out of people's homes, the amount suggested getting rid of the second amendment. as a matter of fact, in his

state of the union, he said i am not trying to get rid of them but we need background checks. what do we find that? 90% of the american people accept background checks. that is just a few of the issues. we do that have time -- host: we do have another hour with joe madison in crystal wright. let me bring tim into the conversation. he has been patient from gainesville, florida. caller: good morning. good talking to you again. miss wright, may i call you this right? wright? i wanted to talk to you about some of ben carson's book. i think you are taking your cues from the republican party that has the part of the ways of robert and bob dole.

they have moved far to the right and i wish you could be brought back to true but conservative sen. the president did have a job, he was a college professor. as a poor, black dishwasher but but at a university, i would not have my job if it were not for affirmative action. i want to talk about reparations, and i am taking my cue from a book that was on c- span called "spies of mississippi. ." made the money, who benefited, and we brought out the fact that these people were taking this money from people who pay taxes, while at the same time, denying them their voting rights. to me, a principled position would be that the state of mississippi, at least, and

should be a model for, if it could be proven by a party that believes in states' rights, at that states should have to pay reparations host. host: we are going to take some -- get a response. guest: first of all, you should not be labeling or categorizing me. i reject that. i am here as an independent thinker. i have formulated my thoughts the way i was raised and my parents as an example. as far as operations go, people forget that black americans, as slaves, were free labor. i reject comparisons to illegal immigrants and the debate going on, illegal immigrants who broke the law to come to america are

somehow like black american slaves. my ancestors, who you mention were free labor in mississippi, and built the nation's capital, from where we can see today, thomasonticello, where jefferson was, and what it would be nice to say that we can get reparations, that is not going to happen. as the mother and father and everyone in my family were taught, we move forward in life, we take personal responsibility. ofhink that was the crux your question, the main question that tim had. you were talking about affirmative action. you and joe mentioned it. my parents both went to historically black colleges and universities.

they had great educations. my father went on to go to the medical college of virginia for dental school, one of the first blacks to attend. i am not saying affirmative action programs are bad. if we are good to take a look at affirmative action, we need to realize rich, white families get in because of legacy. when i went to georgetown i saw that. but i had an interesting conversation with my mother, who is an independent, who experienced racism as a little girl, 13 years old coming home from ballet school. in the back of a bus in richmond, va., and a old man said, girl, you need to move. she said, i'm already in the back of the bus. she refused to move. the bus driver didn't say anything. the bus went on its way. but you know what my mother said affirmative-action?

she said, crystal, i feel like it needs to be changed and revisited because i feel like it sends a message, not just two blacks, but minorities, that they do not need to work as hard. isn't that what the president was saying? blacks have to work just as hard as anyone else, but then again he said racism is not over. i would not say it is over. i do not like when the president is called awful names, he and the first lady compared to monkeys and chimps. i denounce that. we know racism is not dead. but let's not talk about -- from both sides of our mouth. i want to go to a point at joe manchin. joe said the speech that the president gave at morehouse college, he would give the same speech at another college. he said you have to know your audience and would not expect the president to give the same speech to notre dame. so which is it?

guest: if i said i would give it to any college, i may have misspoke. i was not saying that i would give it to notre dame. i have spoken and white colleges, black colleges, white high schools, black high schools. know your audience. if i said any college, i want to stand corrected. i want to make another point. i find it interesting, crystal, the background of her parents. this seems to be more agreement here than disagreement, and i'm glad to hear it. you pointed out the fact that your parents took person and responsibility when they were involved in the sit-ins, and that is exactly what the president was trying to say at morehouse, but what were they doing? they were trying to impact public policy. they were not sitting in at restaurants or the woolworth's lunch counter.

in jackson, mississippi they are commemorating the 50th anniversary of that. what they were impacting was public policy, and that is this what is all about. secondly, i would agree with crystal. if any african-american or woman, or any minority, thinks they are quick to get into a diversity or job through affirmative action and they do not need to work as hard, then they should have gone to my university, washington diversity in st. louis. you better pass the same exam, you better work as hard. affirmative-action does not say you are lazy. it simply says we are going to give you an opportunity to prove you can compete with the best. host: i want to share another excerpt from the president's speech. joe madison and is heard xm.onwide on sirius

crystal wright is the editor and publisher of conservativeblackchick.com. the president talks about responsibilities and opportunities for young black men. >> that does not mean that we do not have worked. if we are honest with ourselves, we know that too few of our brothers have the opportunity that you have that here at morehouse. in troubled neighborhoods across the country, many of them heavily african-american, too few of our citizens have role models to guide them. communities just a couple miles from my house in chicago, a community is just a couple of miles from here, there are places where jobs are still too scarce and which is too low, schools are under pended and violence is pervasive. were too many of our young men spend their life not behind a desk or the classroom, but hanging out on the streets, or

brooding behind a jail cell. at morehousesident college, one of four speeches given at colleges this year by the president. staten island, new york. our line for independents. steve, andd morning, to all the people behind him that get you on the air. thank you. host: we appreciate that. go ahead with your comment. caller: this right, mr. madison, very glad to hear you speak. think we were together when the freedom walked occurred with the united nations. you look great, happy to hear from both of you.

i am irish. 25butt -- my mother was born miles south of belfast. i think blacks, in my experience, both being a pastor in anacostia, right near where you are, and then living in harlem, get short-shifted. us who heobama gave really is. he is not handing belafonte, and he is not danny glover, but he is also not dr. carson. the trouble in america is the media, especially a mainstream that is polluted, which is why people are buying bottled water on the internet so to speak, will not allow true blacks like

and mr.f, miss wright madison. whenever there are two together, it is a conspiracy. if you take the statistics that steve has shown us, they will parallel catholics and protestants in the occupied ireland. my first stop and search was from a british soldier. i have had a gun to put it -- put to my head doing a pastoral visit to two people. i stopped someone over on new york avenue in washington, d.c. two white guys were smashing a guy with a baseball bat. after i call the cops, they threw me against the car and said, what are you doing in this neighborhood? would you have to understand,

non-blacks, speaking to all nations, white is a mental illness. host: we appreciate your response. guest: i think joe and i are smiling in agreement. what was his name again? michael, thank you for calling. host: one of our viewers and collars. every 30 days. guest: it is very telling that joe and i smiled and chuckled when he said, how rare is it to have two black political commentators on different sides of the fed's having a discourse, i would say, a civil discourse, because we are really busting up stereotypes in many ways. i have this debate many times. and thank you, steve, for having this discussion and allowing us to show that the black community is not a monolithic group, just like latinos, hispanics,

catholics, feminists, or italians. we are different, and that should be celebrated. michael and in that so often when we see news programs, we see stereotyping of people. i can tell you guys, it is rare that i am ever on a mainstream radio program or tv with another black conservative, and we do exist. i know people try to pretend that after reconstruction and in the 60's, and that you have a resurgence of black republicans -- but there is a long history of that that i will not get into. two things that he said which were imported about the civil rights. yes, my parents took personal responsibility in a lot of ways that i could not even get into. my grandfather as well who operated a dry cleaner in richmond and was gunned down in 1970 in his place of business by young black men when the business was just taking root,

the neighborhood was changing. my grandfather was armed with a gun at the time. and he was gunned down by young black men at the time. my little brother was not even born. i was four. my other brother tre had just been born. it goes to the point of it -- there are some statistics we to clear up. according to the justice department, black men are six times more likely than whites to be killed by guns, and black men are seven times more likely to kill with a gun. ofn williams has done a lot reporting on this. really, the missing link to the president's gun debate is race. not talking about -- shelby steele has also done some good reporting on this. black men are not only being scared by white americans and everyone else, but black men are

bying repaired -- feared black americans from violence. when my parents thought and the civil-rights movement, brown versus the board of education, laws and to come into play, barbara marshall working on behalf of the naacp. it was not like black americans were doing the government's work. the problem i have with the president's morehouse speech, in my opinion, what was missing from the speech, was solutions. he want them to take pressler responsibility, and that begins at home first. a lot of problems ailing black americans could be mitigated if policies were in place to support them. where you have an umbrella against his personal action, and reforming welfare, again. jobs areold says the

scarce because of the president's policy. you can join our conversation on our twitter page. the unemployment rate among african-american men in the key group of ages 20 to 24. african-american women in the same age group. georgia. to walt in you, i joe, glad to hear love listening to you. honest, i have to be am 60 years old -- i am going to be nice. the best thing i can say to you , you aren't just using regurgitating talking points. let me give you an example, steve. let me give you a minute. in 2006, i spoke to the .ersonnel manager

we hired 22 people, and they had 256 people taking the test. 3 people passed out of 230 -- 256. out of those, seven were black, and they hired 22. out of those 22 that they hired, not one was black. me and two more guys when and filed some charges with the eeoc. nothing was done, and nothing will be done. but this did not just happen under the manager then. this happened under another man who was manager. this is the kind of situation you get into. and then you try to figure out what is wrong with the black community. that is part of the problem, the

jobs. to onelet me go back point, and that is, it was fascinating to hear him talk about stereotyping and then say the problem is that black people fear black people, not just white people. is that not stereotyping? should any of those young men he spoke to at morehouse be feared? of course not. it this is the case, i should fear every white man i see. all ofewtown, aurora, these incidents is that we hear about, why is it that we stereotype the fear of black men, but not the fear of men who look like you who commit horrendous crimes? host: the president talked about

that at morehouse let me share what he had to say. >> to be a good role model, set a good example for the young brother coming up. if you know someone not on point, go back and bring that brother along. those who have been left behind, that did not have the same opportunities we have. they need to hear from you. in thee to be engaged barber shop, on the basketball court, at church. spend time and energy to give people opportunities and a chance. pull them up, expose them, support their dreams. do not put them down. guest: that is what, in part, what i'm saying. i will rush quickly to this thing. part of the program before we came on, a caller was very upset with the fact

hands ina has their our pocket, we owe them tremendous amounts of money, we are in debt to them. she mentioned the fact that a cadillac plan is being built in china. i think we could both agree, that plant ought to be built in the united states of hands in our america. from flint,tly came mich., where i buried a 102- year-old aunt. where to the neighborhood that buick plant existed where my father worked. they have torn down that plant. you could land a small airplane on the concrete that is left. it has devastated that community. and where is that plant? in andnese did that come take that plant. hispanics did not come in and take our jobs. if we are honest about this

immigration policy issue, what is really pushing it? quite honestly, cheap labor. what the president has said, and what i have said in my speeches and on my show is that education is the new currency of the 21st century. it is not gold, it is not marks, not dollars, education. that is what he means by you have got to take it to the barber shops, you have got to take it to the streets. we have an obligation not just to have been a book -- educated child, we have to have an indicated community. host: there is the story that i want your response -- i want you to respond to. do you understand a single mom syndrome for 15 year old black girls? guest: i have a two-part answer to that. no, because i have never been a

15-year-old single mother because i have parents, teachers, and mentors to tell me to have more respect for myself, the late sexual activity, and now the relationships and marriage and serious commitment. i understand it from the perspective that girls having babies, kids having babies, is probably the most destructive thing happening in the black community today. when i talk about statistics, i am not pulling rabbits out of my hat. moynihandaniel patrick wrote a report for president johnson. senator moynihan, a great democrat senator. at the time he was assistant secretary at the labor department. he wrote a report that said, wake up, america, president johnson, i see a crisis in the negro community. two things going on.

a parallel track of single- parent households and more black males going to prison. the out-of-wedlock birthrate was 20%. today is an astonishing 73%. a young woman that is 15 years old has very little prospect of anishing high school, having baby, go to college, and getting a good job. we need to focus on two things for young girls, regardless of race, but particularly for young black girls. there is nothing wrong with abstinence, and people can laugh at it, but it works. we need character-building in public schools across the country. there is the best friends foundation. in the district of columbia and 14 states, fourth or fifth

grade, educating through high- school graduation, and teaches young girls to delay sexual activity, drug use, and any of those risky behaviors, so they can graduate from high school and go on to college. i want to address two things that joe said, and the caller, we need tax reform. we certainly need corporate tax reform. we saw that apple, through legal maneuvering, did not pay a lot of taxes on a billion dollars of income? we need tax reform. ronald reagan tried to close loopholes when he was president, and then they expanded again. joe is right, it is general motors. you know better being from detroit. they are building a plant in china, providing jobs to the chinese. we are going into the fifth year of unemployment being above 7%.

instead of bringing 11 million illegal immigrants here who will work for pennies on the dollar because we do not have e-verify, we are not enforcing legal immigration laws, we need to take a hard but our tax policy and giving incentives for businesses not only to bring jobs here, but tax incentives right now in the district of columbia, we have a walmart being built on georgia avenue. what has the district council done to make sure that people who are getting jobs live in the neighborhood where they work. the caller, i do not know if you have read my blog, but i did not support racism. i do not know where you worked, but you should file a lawsuit. discrimination is wrong. let's not confuse that with hiring practices and affirmative-action. if seven blacks passed the test

where you work, his place of employment, and that none were hired, that is a problem. racism is alive and well, as i said. there was a study that shelby steele referred to, where blacks actually said, they feared being killed by other blacks. i do not stereotyped. guest: but we all said -- excuse me. her comment was that white people fear black people. white people have always feared black people. it is built into the fabric of america, and yes, white people also fear other white people because most killings take place in their community, but you do not hear people on programs like me. saying -- excuse

you cannot hear program saying you have never heard the term white on white crime. because guest: it is not a problem as it is in the black community. is, crime isality a problem. when you take what happened in new town -- newtown. guest: 50% of all prisoners are black. disregardingot those facts. those facts are absolutely right, but what i am saying is, you talk about coming together. should we not come together over the issue of crime? should we not come together over the issue of what is killing all of us, no matter what our race is? that is the point i am trying to make. you cannot sit up there and to just -- of course that people

fear the killed they must live around. excuse me. you go to pour with communities, they fear the people that they live around. at the same time, they also work and respect and love each other. host: this is from laura who says to the poverty is the quickest way to poverty, the matter what the caller. this is from the census bureau looking at black families with children. 60% are single parent families. 20% for white families. and then you can see the rate of therceration according to census. african-american men from the ages of 20 to 24, 14% are incarcerated compared to 10% for white males, higher than those older ages. guest: this is where personal responsibility comes in.

i have always said, if you want to prisonis classroom pipeline, what you do is you teach your children to obey the law, to make sure they study in school, that they recognize, as the versed lady said, that being smart is not acting white, and she was correct about that. the ku klux klan could i have come up with a better slogan. here is where public policy, as you were talking about teenage pregnancy -- and again, those statistics are real. i guarantee you sunday morning there will be ministers in the black community preaching against it and telling people, please take personal responsibility. but let me add something. you talk about public policy, being from detroit. once a young girl becomes pregnant, we do not just tossed them aside. they are still somebody.

they still need opportunity to lift themselves up. so what happens in the city of detroit with a school that allowed mothers who had children to attend their school, and almost 90% of those girls children went on to college. do you know what they did? they cut funding of that school. that is public policy. and that should not have been done. you do not cut the floor from under the people who find themselves faced down on the floor. you give them the opportunity to lift themselves up. you heard the president say this in his speech. people do make bad decisions in life. all three of us sitting here could go back in our lives and say, we should not have done

this, we should not have done that. but just because you make a bad decision in light does not mean that you should be tossed aside. that is where public policy, and that is where i wish members of congress could sit down across the table, like we have been able to, and by those things that we agree upon, and help all people left, so that the boat rises with the tide. host: we are just getting started, we have another half hour. joe madison and crystal wright at the table. we are digging into the speech of the president at morehouse college. long beach california -- long beach, california. good morning. trace, go ahead with your question or comment. guest: good morning, mr. madison, ms. wright, very interesting dialogue between the two of you. i believe a lot of the answers

lie between your two, somewhere in the middle. it is a combination of public policy and personal responsibility. now, to preface the president's i almost morehouse, thought he was going to rap for a second. you know i mean? guest: i do. caller: the main issue with congress is how do we accommodate 20 million lawbreakers, and how does that disproportionately affect the african-american community? and not even the african- american community. i have white friends who are hurting. going to stereotype or the bottom line americans, wen- should adjust vote democratic in

mass. andave to open up ourselves sort of be in place, like other special interest groups. if ite on it, personally, is not good for america, it is not good for americans. how many to look at what is good for americans first. that will funnel them public policy as set relates to african-americans, but not just african-americans, but all who play by the rules and have a vested interest in seeing this country reach its full potential. the idea of the melting pot is a fantastic. there is no other place in the world like this. i have traveled. the diversity, the freedoms -- quickly, they are being eroded.

we cannot just vote blindly democratic. we have a black president who has a hard time identifying with black america and issues, but you cannot expect the pilots to decrease when you have communities with 30% unemployment rates. you: i'm going to have respond and to into the conversation. but i want to show you the comments of kevin phillips, a graduate of morehouse college, a pastor in philadelphia, and he wrote a piece in a philadelphia newspaper that many couple of points. one is, why are we so loyal to a president who is not loyal to us? secondly, more importantly, why are we loyal to a democratic party who ignores us and often takes our vote for granted? trace, how do you respond to that? caller: i totally agree. looking at my parents,

grandparents, we are conservative by nature, african- americans are. i also agree with ms. wright. i am offended when people compare the plight of illegal aliens to unemployed african- americans. what a stretch. it is political theater. once you really get serious about addressing the issues in the community, it is economics. i look at mr. madison, and i respect mr. madison and the work he has done, but it is like a lot of the old naacpers. you should not have to have a master's degree as an african- american to get work. degreeyou have to have a as a white person to get work, excuse me. let me give you an example.

you go to any graduation and you asked graduate to stand up. the largest group is usually i.t. graduates. these graduates in the united states are now competing -- and again, this is interesting. this is what the president said in his speech. you are now competing with people, students from brazil, china, from india. this is who you are competing against because this is the global economy that we live in. so what did indian do? an underdeveloped nation decided it would invest in education to the point where they took low income people in poverty, got them an education, and now here is what happens. you have a degree in engineering, computer engineer from the united states, you demand ex-amount of dollars, and

a corporation says, i can go to india and they can cut in half. the of the thing i will speak to, the president can rap -- we know that he can sing it. we know that he likes al green songs. waske the point because he trying to identify with african- american men. number two, there is a great book out by former congressman william clay. i love it, i live by it, it has honed my political philosophy, and i would encourage everyone to read it, and maybe for c- span2 get him on. there are no permanent enemies or friends. the book is titled "permanent interest. ." this is how most community

should look at politics. we should not have permanent friends, we should not have permanent enemies. we should have permanent interest. host: curtis makes this point to you. i am laughing out loud at the gop black check tried to speak to black america at all. guest: i am laughing out loud that someone can make a comment like that. it is telling of the dire state that black americans are in. tracy said it very well. black americans, for the last several decades, have voiced their political capital and votes on democrats. i agree with joe. black americans, white americans, and hispanics, should vote on personal interest. tell me how illegal immigration will help black americans? before ronald reagan signed the and this the law into legislation, when congress passed immigration reform law, said that the border control was

good to be in place, we are or to control our borders. never happened. black seas toward blue-collar jobs that are being done by pennies on the dollar's by criminals, most in by latino and hispanic descent, 11 million immigrants who are here are hispanic and latino. those jobs are being performed by black americans and white americans and legal other minorities. about thealk president's speech and his policies, why he gave that speech, he gave that speech because the congressional black caucus has been hot on his coat tails since the first term. do you know how many meetings thecbc has had with president and they continue to deliver black votes to him? it has been 700 days since the members of the black caucus told

americans to give him four years to do better. he has not bother to meet with them in over 700 days. -- appointed ad gentleman to hud, another that he has nominated to the head of fannie and freddie -- transportation, i'm sorry. before that, the congressional black caucus was howling. where are your appointments in the second term? we gave you 9% of the black vote. emanuel cleaver, the former chairman of the congressional black caucus, said, last year, before the annual meeting in september, sat down with the roots and other publications and said, if hillary clinton had been in the white house or anyone president, with a record like president obama has with black americans, emanuel cleaver

said "i would be marching in front of the white house because double-digit unemployment is unacceptable, however, they gave him a break because he is black." is that going in your special interest? the congressional black caucus was formed to hold nixon accountable. not, i was it was there. guest: maybe it was not founded for that reason. it is ok by you to get facts wrong. nixon becamer president, the congressional black caucus boycotted his state of the union because he refused to meet with them, is that right? is i'm saying is trace right. for girls of skin color, he is not being held accountable. frankly, it is about jobs.

the president said to the more house graduates, you will be entering a top market because of my failed policies. on the blood was already reaching 10% and the regulation after regulation, john killing. host: talk about the legacy at the class 2013. [video clip] >> there's a common creed here. builds are used to bridges to know where and monuments of nothingness. we have no time for excuses. leg --ause of a better the bitter legacy of slavery and segregation have been banished, they have not. not because racism and discrimination no longer exist, we know those are still out there. today'sst that in

hyper-connected, hyper- connected -- hyper-competitive world, many who started with less than you did, all of them entering the global work force alongside you -- nobody is going to give you anything you did not earn. nobody cares how tough your upbringing was. nobody cares if you suffer some discrimination. over you have to remember that wherever you have a big it whatever you have got through it pales in comparison to the hardships previous generations had adored and they overcame that you can overcome them to. guest: i do not disagree with anything he said. let me go back to this point of the congressional caucus.

i was not directing you to dig at you. i was simply remind you that some of us know exactly what had happened -- martin luther king had been killed in 1968 and it appeared the civil rights movement was over. he said that, "is not the man, it is the plan." we have to have a plan. in terms of voting for democratic party, once again i am not asking for loyalty. if there should be interested, public education is extremely important to african americans. it has been the republican parting that has wanted to cut public education. with all respect the republican party suggested that the department of education be disbanded.

ronald reagan several times. ronald reagan would not be the party candidate in this republican party. ronald reagan wanted tax reform when he was president of the united states. seen him ask -- he had asked that the wealthiest in our society should pay their fair share in taxes. if he had given that same speech at the republican convention he would have been round-booed. you have to be careful when bringing up ronald reagan in this at pastor today. you are 100% right, the congressional black caucus is constantly on the president of the united states. the president of the net states understands that, from what i know. he hears this criticism. but their problem is not so much the president -- i will be quite honest, i had -- on my

show. i asked him if the president is doing enough to help unemployment. he came out and said, "no, he is not doing enough. neither is the democratic party." the destruction is not with the democratic party. the obstruction is that the job programs that are being put on the table are often rejected. we just about 37 times to get rid of obama care. 37 times. i wish that had been 37 votes. the argument is these are not real jobs. someone said if it is a real paycheck it is a real job. host: american people to follow you on twitter? guest: i am glad you asked.

we are known as "the view," channel 110, exclusively on sirius xm. it is an african-american talk channel. most people ask what we talk about, everything. [laughter] it is usually from our perspective and that is what you are hearing. there is an ideological bent here. i read a speech given day by eisenhower, who says, "be -- and fundinge to public education." that came from a republican

president to create one of the best public job programs this country knew. our interstate system that improved commerce and expanded beyond the public interest. ont: on your earlier comment our twitter page -- crystal, how can people follow you? you will get some of the hate mail i get on a daily basis. host: we have another 56 in the last two minutes. luke is joining us from arizona. a democrat. wright.son and crystal caller: it is greek to be on. i am a first-time caller. -- it is great to be on. i make first-time caller.

whetherasically said you are african american, chinese-american, caucasian- americans, you are american first. that is what is important. of i wanted to say was that the spat on black crime -- all of this black on black crime has do to get a situation. there has always been violence whether it has been white ghettos. they barely got their civil- rights 50 years ago. it sinceple have had the 17 eighties. -- sicnes the 78 east the 1780s. [video clip] >> i will tell you that whatever success i have achieved and

position of leadership i have it does not depend on the decrease or stores, it has to do with that sense connection apathy. the special obligation i felt as a black man like you to help those who needed it most. people who did not have the opportunities i had. there but for the grace of god go i.. i might have been in prison. i might have been unemployed. i might have not been able to support a family. that motivates me. host: your response? guest: that portion of the president's speech i agree with. i would like to go further. the president would not be the man he was today would it not been for his mother. i think it was his maternal grandparents who then raced him for a large part of his formative years as a preteen and teenager in hawaii. he had a network.

his mom died and he was very fortunate. his life who in cared about him. what i would like to see the president do more of is really talk about the harsh reality facing black americans. we are not they're being at the rate of our white counterparts -- we are not marrying at the rate of our white counterparts. it is not about getting a job, it is about being a responsible man and valuing marriage. he highlighted a young man -- that is look at this. he highlighted a young man in his speech. he had to move down to a lento when they're in high school. he is planning to go to college somewhere up north. he moved back page he enrolled and it did not go so well. raise a kid as a

teenager, you cannot go to school. this young man, it took him three tries. while this is awesome that this young man is finishing the challenges are that when you decide to get married -- when you decide to have out of wedlock sex and you are not ready to take responsibility of it, according to brookings institute your chances of going into poverty are over 70%. mitt romney did a great speech on the campaign trail. he bailed will fully following up in any relationship with black americans. at the naacp mitt romney talked about talked about -- mitt romney talked about how marriage and education -- it was alluded to in the president's remarks -- he talked about poor schools in urban cities in chicago. the president acts as though he has not lived in chicago.

he knows the schools are bad because of the teacher's union. the reason the conservatives wanted to ban -- the department of education is because they are trying to mandate standards to school rather than provide school choices and vouchers, which is the republican party is part of -- which is what the republican party is a part of. the president defunds that program year in and year out, it is a scholarship program here in washington d.c.. host: i am absolutely amazed. we demonize teacher unions. i was involved in the demonstration in wisconsin. these are the same teachers who were just in oklahoma city that through their bodies of these children to protect them. these are the same teachers in

newtown, connecticut who were killed protecting the children. these have the same teachers -- we do not pay teachers enough in this country. teachers ought to be making more than these athletes that high salaries, as far as i am concerned. we have a problem with what they call classroom to prison pipeline. i just did it -- i am doing a show tomorrow at the mississippi. they are taking poor young african-american children who becauseing in trouble he wore a different colored socks paid a set of disciplining him he calls the police and a rested him. -- colored socks. instead of disciplining him he calls the police and a trusted him. -- and arrested him. host: this comet to both of you. this is the best conversation i

have ever heard on c-span. just one point on the teacher's union. host: let me just get to john in florida. caller: good morning. -- when you're talking about the black >> it isonal caucus like affirmative action. this is a floating form they are not getting action. that is one of the downsides of affirmative action. you keep hoping that it did not get the change. guest: that is not true. let me stop you. he is late to the program. i remember when i was in washington university, they're young guys that played football who were from east st. louis. i do not have to tell you about

east st. louis. these young men were given an opportunity to attend a university that they probably would not have been able to afford. they did not have the highest sats. one young man named to the shelby jordan in los angeles is a major land developer. another man is the former chief of police of east st. louis. another man is sitting here in front of you. when i ended up going into washington university -- and many of us were given the opportunity to go to that school -- we had to take the same exam's everybody else took. we had passed those exams. nobody expected us to go into that school and coast. this attitude that you are not getting anything from affirmative action, you have ben harvard,rof. gates at

and i would say you have hillary clinton and usually president george bush who got in on his legacy program. more for the president at morehouse college. [video clip] you to what in your circle of concern, to care about justice for everybody. white, black, and brown. everybody, not just in your own community but all across this country and around the world. to make sure everyone has a voice. everyone gets to see -- everyone has a seat at the table. the matter what you look like or where you come from, what your last name is -- it doesn't matter. everybody gets a chance to walk through those doors of opportunity if they're willing to work hard enough. this one tweet commons and a lot of conversation on this. let us conclude with you.

guest: i want to go back to teachers because my mother was a teacher in the richmond city public school system for years. she taught to the gardener's through second grade. she helped beyond the classroom. i do not think my mother was a member of the teachers' union. i am a product of private school and public school education. my teachers -- i am against teacher's unions. i think it is a fallacy to say -- i note teachers teaching in private and parochial schools that are very happy. begree that teachers need to better compensated batus with the charter schools are all about. principals and heads the school's control of what teachers get paid. what is going on in wisconsin and other states is they are trying to take the stranglehold that teacher's jobs should come

before the job they are hired to do, which is to educate. if you really believe that you are willing to throw your body -- i pray for the new town teachers. without them we would have had a greater loss. facing guns that are being brought into the school and handling that in an elegant manner and a safeway, i would like to see kids go to public schools with less metal detectors. -- to say that republicans do not respect teachers, it is wrong. guest: you should check with her. a bet you one thing, she got a good pension because of the union. if she was not in member she benefited from whatever the unions negotiated.

is the reasony most folks got a teaching unions and other unions is because of its political force. this is one way of dismantling political forces in this country. that is part of the history. host: this is going to be the hardest part of the morning. in a single word or very short phrase how would you describe the president's speech? guest: a plus. i thought it was a speech those young men should hear. he had only 30 minutes. it was a good speech and first lady did a magnificent job. christo right and joe

madison -- crystal wright and joe madison, thank you both for being with us. we'll turn our attention to energy issues and a new book out by michael levi, it is called, "the power surge." a look back at some of the mistakes over the last 30 to 40 years. first, a look at some of the other son the programs that can be heard on c-span real get away at noon eastern time. -- getting under way at noon eastern time. good morning. >> good morning. on to the's talk-show topics include u.s. treasury relations, the situation in syria, and the irs. nbc's "meetn with the press." democratic policy committee chairman senator chuck schumer, also representative marcia

blackburn from tennessee. at 1:00 on abc's this week, and george stephanopoulos talks with david plouffe. at 2:00 eastern is fox news sunday with christopher lawless. tweet chris wallace. -- chris wallace. stayed the union follows at 3:00 eastern with candy crowley talking with oversight and a government committee chairmen. the:00 eastern it is "face nation." bob schieffer talks with senator john mccain, the ranking member of the senate armed services committee. and senator jack reed on the committee, he is a rhode island democrat. also making an appearance is new york times editor joel abramson. theublic-service by

networks and c-span. here are the real paris beginning at c-span -- here are the re-errorairs. listen to them all on c-span xm satellite. fm, c-io channel 119, or spanradio.org. >> when the attorney-general or wrigley in california after the extradition he indicated that he wanted the death penalty on each of the three charges. he wanted the death penalty three times. that made me realize how serious the work. it made me realize it was not about me. first of all i could not be killed three times.

it was about the construction of this imaginary enemy. was the embodiment of that enemy. >> she wasn't that interested in talking about what happened at this period. it wasn't a love story. she isn't one of the people you go to directly and i was trying to get to her directly. i figured out the door very important people in her life. -- i figured out there were very important people in her life. i chipped away people she knew and trusted. i was able to get involved and let them see my previous work. slowly she came around. angelala lynch on davis.

>> "washington journal" continues. host: as gas prices continue to increase about to turn our attention to energy issues. -- continue to increase we want to turn our attention to energy issues. michael levy, thank you for being with us. what is your message? >> we have been fighting over energy for at least 40 years, since the first oil crisis in 1973, with one camp are doing for fossil fuels and the other arguing for efficiency and alternative energy. in the last five years we have seen extraordinary transformation in american energy falling oil and gas production. i argue in the book that we need to rethink what these changes in energy need for our economy and security. not throwing everything in because there are dangers with

this and indeed even be of some of these stale 40 year old debates. host: i want to share a couple of exceptions from the book and you have some recommendations for the future. this is an summarizes what you're trying to say in the text of the book. the united states is in the throes of two on foreign energy revelations. should the united states focus on expanding's fuel supplies or ought of uping alternative energy sources? the solution is a strategy to increase opportunity law protecting risks -- while protecting against important risks. guest: we have been able to produce more oil and gas due to advances in technology of the last seven years. because cost of solar power has come down. opportunity tohe lower the mission. this because we create these opportunities does not mean we should take that into every

single one of them. we could burn coal for the next hundred years but it would cost catastrophic damages for climate changes. we could consume a lot more oil than we do. it would expose our volatility in markets and to geopolitical problems abroad. we want to create opportunities but we too want to thin out our energy system to protect ourselves against the risks associated with the interests local environmental impacts, global climate change, and the political and economic risks. -- and geopolitical economic risks. number two is to focus on big wins. guest: we can get into the deep weeds of trying to fine-tune our energy system. there are all sorts places where things did not quite right. if you go back over the last few decades of our energy history you find that it held into a battle not over and a jeep over ideology, with the the government should be big or small.

-- whether the government should be big or small. i think we should be able to focus on small set of big bang efforts, whether it is expanding opportunities for production, making people pay the prices of copper a mission. -- of copper and a mission. -- a car and a mission. we can avoid going the other way where we rely only on the market's. it does not do everything we need. number three is in power and energy development. on that point, explain. system is global. we worry about it being global weather is vulnerability from the middle east or dangers created by global climate change or opportunities we have to export energy technologies. let us take natural gas as an example. we have surging production in

the united states. we have natural gas passing goal as the top domestic source of energy in 2011. now we are having a debate as to whether a to allow exports. our decision will have consequences not only for our economy but in relationships with our allies, local trade regime, and the geopolitical costs. countries from europe to northeast asia can bring in and deal with international issues the united states cares about. we need to make the right was on issues like that in order to of take full of vantage -- in order to take full advantage of what is happening. i asked the secretary-general of opec what he thinks is happening. one of his answers was he thought this could be good news. maybe they will stop blaming opec so much for your problems. what he meant is baby will stop worrying so much -- maybe you'll

stop worrying so much about what you consume. it means we decided not to worry so much how much we consume, we would become more vulnerable in the world. that would be unfortunate outcome of all that is happening in the united states. host: our guest is michael levi. senior the keys on the senior counsel of foreign relations pekin's and send e- mail or join us on our social media -- you can send us an e- mail or join us on social media. good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to mention to this gentleman that i think the lack of refineries in this country is a big thing. that is all due to .nvironmentalists we cannot get along without oil. everything you look at is made from oil. warming, this global

-- host: there is this on global climate change -- guest: 96 refinery peace first. you do not but while in your tank, you put gasoline in. at a minimum we need that trend information sharing so we do not have the simultaneous refinery outages like we have had a lead in recent weeks. on climate change we face large risks. there have been large global temperature increases in the last 100 years. i will not say we can protect the future with certainty. the global climate system is extraordinarily complex. what you see when you look out at the models -- i look at these models in a different way than some of my policy colleagues. what you see is that while the outcomes can be better than the

mainstream production they can also be a lot worse. we could also get it to feedback loops where heating warms the water, the dark absorbers' more heat and once the planet more. for me, what i focus on is that risk. we are not certain things will be off on us to get returned and -- unless we get to a certain concentration of greenhouse gases. we know cost effectively how to cut our emissions. we are making a more cost- effective. more cost-effective gas means it easier to cut emissions by switching away from coal. costs of a new look -- cost of renewable energy provides an opportunity in the future to reduce our emissions even more. are destroying is from

washington d.c.. good morning. caller: double for being on. i agree with what you say. this is been around since the 1960's. it has been a reactor. for military reasons it was dropped in favor of the white water reactor because the needed materials for bombs. , it reactor combines soil -- the mit can out with a waste in salt reactor. it takes the risk -- it takes the existing rotods, uses that material, and burns 99%. it is not a pressurized reactor so it will not explode.

if you return of all of the electricity in the entire facility -- if you were to turn off all the electricity in the entire set facility the reactor would turn off naturally. guest: double for the call. at if you turn off the plant doesn't require electricity, this is extraordinarily important a part of a wide range of new generation nuclear reactors. that is an important perth -- we -- that is an important thing we need to pursue. back fiveyou went years ago you would see nuclear power struggling very hard to compete on cost in the united states. with the surge in natural gas production you have an even more difficult predicament for nuclear power. if we want to look at in the future and see nuclear power have a real shot in the united states i think is going to have to be in part because we pursue

a serious policy on carbon emissions. nuclear power has one big advantage over its competitors, it does not generate carbon dioxide emissions. it does not get credit for that because it is in christ into our system. here is an area where there should be some natural agreement between the last -- between the left and right that we can go after climate change and press card in a way that boosts the prospects of nuclear power, which a lot on the right are enthusiastic about. instead we tend to see the worst part of each other rather than the opportunity for both to benefit. host: back to the book, you were right -- -- you write -- a speech to refer to in the book from the during 1977, more than

35 years ago. president jimmy carter in one of his first speeches as a newly elected president. [video clip] >> our program will emphasize conservation. the amount of energy being wasted which could be saved is greater than the total energy that we are importing from foreign countries. we will also stress development of our rich coal reserves in an environmentally sound way. we will emphasize research on solar energy and other renewable energy sources. we will maintain strict safeguards on necessary atomic energy production. the responsibility for setting energy policy is now split among more than 50 different agencies, departments, and bureaus in the federal government. toill ask the congress combine these agencies to a new

energy department to bring order out of chaos. >> that was february 1977. every president since jimmy carter has touched upon some of the same things he talked about. how much progress have we made back guest: we have not made a enormous amount of progress on the policy front. it is extraordinarily big it is extraordinary when you look at that speech. in the aftermath of the 1973 energy crisis we see progress on multiple fronts. pipelines are approved within the year, the first ever fuel economy standard for cars and trucks within the next two. but the time jimmy carter makes the speech we are much more focused on fighting for one pastor the other rather than on trying to move forward on both fronts. but the 1980 election to carter attacked both sides -- got attack on both sides. i will sit at the carter energy plan was not perfect. -- i will not say the carter

energy pie was perfect but it combined all the energy and new energy. host: was his message right or wrong? guest: it was a message we needed to pursue fossil fuel production and clean energy at the same time. i would argue with some of the details. we thought we had no natural gas and in this country and essentially banned increase production. in theused some problems long run. not everything was perfect about it. the basic philosophy made a lot of sense. 1990's we0's and focused on energy. we had energy come back with a vengeance in the last decade. we have a new opportunity to move forward on both of those fronts. >> he did create the department of energy that in 1977. we now have a new energy secretary. " recommendations would you give him? guest: i recommend that he took on several fronts at the same time. department is doing significant

work in the technology development. they had a big international component. they need to leverage what is happening here. they have a lot of expertise on fossil fuel. they're going to be dealing with issues like natural gas exports and providing recommendations on how to better safeguard us against risks associated with cracking. they also have opportunities on nuclear. if we want to be able to seize opportunities on nuclear down the road we are clinton need to get our waste issue under control. host: the point on our twitter is that true? guest: on nuclear power in france also comes from government support. system where government is essentially flat in power plants, they are a lot cheaper. i do not think that is the direction we want to go in the

united states where the government has a strong role. nuclear is going to have a very tough time competing in the united states, no matter what other changes we make, unless we allow it to take -- unless we are allowed to good vantage of the price. to get back to those options we need to have a lot of options but we need to make sure they compete on a level playing field. host: with regard to natural gas -- [indiscernible] sure if that is the solution to our problems. guest: we need to make sure we do it right. that is not about responsible corporate practices. it's about having the right rules in place and making sure they are enforced properly. we hear stories about dangerous natural gas. i would focus on three basic ones. the disposal of waste water, air quality around the sides, and

the impacts on committees. i traveled in communities where natural gas development is happening. that really is the biggest impact. you meet people who are thrilled orders abovehave their shop. you hear people who are terrified because their businesses depend on water and they do not trust the town to do things right. we really need to make sure that the communities that deal with this think ahead, integrate development into their broader plans and broader lives, and have the rules in place to make sure bad actors do not reckitt for the community and development, so that we can to the vantage of the opportunities created. "powere is author of search." 0 is joining us from hampton, virginia. thatr: i would like to say the mitt relations with china in the united states are totally

different and unfair. the biggest problem is we put so much money and green and not enough money in coal. we can control the situation by having cars that run less fuel that still use oil. we use the money we make off of oil and put it into fuel. we need to give tax exemption to companies that will not go green and will not build plants cheaper. and theall the money government is wasting it. they are not controlling the money that needs to go where it needs to go. we need to tighten up on china because if we do not the american flight is going to be lowered. -- the american flag is going to be lowered. host: the president meeting on friday and saturday with the

president of china. it is their first bilateral meeting and as the president of china comes to the u.s., ironically the added bird stake -- do you think energy will come up? of talk ine's a lot town about looming u.s. energy dependence. north american produce as much oil as it sells. china is worried that the united states will be less committed to stability in the middle east, less committed to the security of the ceilings that connects the middle east with markets in china. while the president's national security adviser have been out there saying we are still committed and part of the global oil market despite rising production in the bad state, you did not need to worry, i am not sure that the message is entirely getting through.

i suspect there will be a discussion on that and the president will probably try to reinforce the united states is there providing security. we do not want china to be stepping in and controlling the ceilings between the united states and the middle east are being provider security of the middle east. host: we do need have a conversation about clean energy, about trade resections, about chinese subsidies on solar power, there are issues on the side of the question that are essential too. . ipad people comment that china is in third place because of cold. > the power plant operators will not turn two scrubbers on. your ability to control your emissions and improve your

capability to enforce your ruling -- china has been taught as their patron is also pushing for on clean energy technologies for competitiveness purposes. and the net as it is too. i did not know she did i do not know we should be in a clean energy race. -- look at u.s. and global energy issues. wynn from louisiana, republican line, good morning. i cannot figure out where those guys are coming from. there is no such thing as greenhouse problems. live without oil and gas. we cannot run airplanes also of powers. i do not know -- we cannot run their plants on solar power. i do not know what you're saying.

we need energy we do not need some kind of like coming about because of climate change. his cap and't get trade past. be producingld more oil in the united states as we should be at the same time cutting our oil consumption. it is true you cannot put a window on a carpet you can substitute zero carbon electricity for carbon which electricity sources. what is essential if we move past the release simple either- or answers. say weuld probably should be cutting our oil use and because we are cutting it we the amount of oil we produce. even outside of climate change will gain because we are exposed to about zero -- exposed to

geopolitical entanglement around the world and rising oil prices. at the climate change is a good reason to do more on that front. if you do not that is plenty of reason to beast pursuing other goals. let me share with you some of the recommendations you have for congress. guest: it has been so long since we have had big deals on energy that the right and left -- i think we will need to have some smaller deals to rebuild the ability to move forward on both fronts at the same time. i recommended a few places to start. one would be expanding leasing for oil and gas and some of the proceeds to support innovation on alternative energies.

similar to the proposal the president made in his state of the union address. we have oil subsidy tax reductions that do not increase oil production. we could be orient those to increase technology -- we could read-orient those to generate power from coal and use the carbon dioxide, a puppet of the ground to increase oil production. we did a carbon gain but we also improved oil production. online's development, one of the things that struck me was that you could find people who are upset about every kind of oil and gas and solar and wind development. that the matt damon movie that looked at tracking -- looked as fracking -- the reason

they decided to not focus on the wind development is because the turbines were too noisy. should unite people that want to take advantage of oil and gas production. you cannot build anything without enormous opposition. host: our next caller is from portland, oregon. denise is on the line. caller: somebody was talking about something i was interested in. it amazes me, it seems like we must watch different documentary's and read different books. people have different opinions. from what i have learned i am sure the guest knows much more. taking electric cars office two years ago and the car, ks killed them? and the car companies

killed them -- and the car companies killed them? are we so entrenched in oil? guest: i think we're starting to look at hybrid-electric car is in serious way. in the aftermath of the first oil crisis people started to look at hybrids. they were not pure enough for anyone. people who loved whale -- these were not purely about also did not make sense. there were people interested in alternatives and they were not interested in something that still used will in any way. it fell between the cracks. engineers he did them because they needed two engines. now we have an evolutionary pathway. we have had the previous become one of the top-selling cars and prius the world -- the become one of the top-selling cars in the world.

we see an evolutionary pathway from hybrid electric cars and thoughtfully electric the chorus. a couple of the potential upload pickedeen now and then up lot of potential road bumps between now and then -- a lot of potential road bumps between 10th and. when i went to test drive an electric car i noticed in mustang sitting by the track. i figured out that was the biggest contrast i could find between an electric car and a traditional car. the mustang cut more than 30 miles to the gallon because people are using the material, the of the south are urging that not only allows it to a separate pastor but saves on fuel. we need --et peeves we have all of these different funds.

host: the market has killed the electric car, that is his tweet. guest: the market has not put the electric car as the main thing we use because it is not ready to be the main car that we use. if you look at tesla investors they would not say the market has killed the electric car. it has killed ambitions for the electric car. if we move ahead at the kind of peace some people are foreseeing i think it can be a big part of our occupation. -- of our equation. i do not want to focus on just one. we are exploring that for long distance trucking. people are using it for committing. we will solve everything -- we will not solve everything. that is why we need to move forward on some of the different

fronts. last month the house pushed a bill to move ahead with the keystone xl pipeline. the president said -- would the pipeline make a difference? is that an example of policy in this country? guest: the pipeline should not be a big debate. it has a small climate impact and small economic impact. somehow it has become the central focus of the american energy debate. people say it will begin over for the client if it moves forward and it would be a windfall for national security. blownk it is being grossly out of proportion. we need to focus on the things that matter. you talked about big wins. the keystone xl pipeline is not a big win. it does not have a big impact either way. it has an impact and we need to make sure in particular that the pipeline is safe and protected against leaks.

we are able to deal with whatever problems inevitably happen when we have oil in our system. only wish that not congress but people more broadly were able to focus on bigger picture issues and energy rather than getting tied up with all of these points that are not so consequential on the ground. host: this point -- that is the mark in burbank, california. to mark in burbank, california. caller: i did not think we have an energy problem at all. inwe can design a plant southern states to power the whole world -- it is ridiculous to think small. i am in the entertainment business.

mirrors and lights. he did not have to have sort powell's on the surface, it can have them underground. -- solar panels on the surface, it can be underground. have a challenge on large-scale solar power in cost. i visited a plant outside pittsburgh as manufacturing electric cars for solar power. they built the plant a few years ago. it was only half completed when i arrived because of american policy that would have supported development has not come through in a way that the plant owners had anticipated. i look at the panels on the side and ask for these enormous heavy mirrors were being shipped and they said a lot were being shipped to india because they are on a national solution to provide support for social development.

if we want to see these technologies catch on is going to require some support from government, in addition to a big push from private investment and for technology innovation. host: this question guest: i am not sure which car he is talking about. we have very small cars in europe that are increasingly available in the dead since then have a higher mpg rating. -- in the united states that have a higher mpg rating. europe has been able to take it vantage of it to increase its technology. we need to look across the board at the rules be applied to new to buy one in europe

with the potential reasons why is there may be regulatory .easons host: he says -- david is joining us from lancaster, pennsylvania. . go-ahead. are you with us? caller: was curious about the whole fracking thing. i think they have a great pr. havee heard a lot of farms

had a bad of runoff with fracking. i want to know more about the bad part of it. there is a problem with that. host: we will get a response. much slicke is too pr and not enough squaring up with people. ad that with the mayor of ohio city is said he was a former schoolteacher. he said he used to tell his me they to just tell are not quite sure. trustingo have a more and open and honest relationship between producers and the communities where they operate. the caller is right, if you to hydraulic fracturing wrong your point run into problems. the biggest problem is likely to be if developers to it with

water that comes out of a well when you produce natural gas, of the fluids that go into the water the comes back out that brings the chemicals from the underground and disposes of that not in a proper injection well or a disposal facility but in a nearby stream and contaminates that area, or if the stored in a source,rby create these speaking to the surrounding areas. we need to make sure this is done properly. we can do that without -- the international energy agency's did a study where it looked at 22 rules for natural gas development that it said it would bring us up to a golden set of standards. it is estimated this would cost an additional 7% on each well. that is not a radical cost in exchange for advancements across the board in safety. host: if you could give

president carter agreed on his policy, looking back 30 years, what would it be? guest: it's tough to give an ultimate great. in a couple of years most of that policy would have been abandoned. we switched to focus on the regulation. -- on the regulation. we did not push for a fuel economy rules and we became more dependent on will from the middle east as a global market. i think it is impossible to give a grade. there were a lot of good elements there. therapies as we should not have had, particularly a huge push on call. in the long run it is impossible to great because we did not follow through. host: what about president obama? guest: he gets a d on energy policy so far. i think it would have been better had he been able to move forward on carbon pricing. that is where congress needed to pick up the ball. there have been stumbles on oil

and gas development. over all, particularly toward the end of the first term i think we're seeing in the second term, he has tied -- he has tried before on clean energy efficiency -- to push for on clean energy efficiency. he needs to be consistent and to get the support of congress. you cannot afford on a lot of these things unless congress is a big part of the equation. independent line, pittsburgh, good morning. my observation is that his knowledge of environmental damage that is being done is very superficial. for example, when the talk about being able to diffracting or the keystone cop line in a way that is clean, it is not possible. of the sand problem that is used, which will damage

the lungs of the workers and people around it. there is the earthquake zone in the middle of the country, where if we had an earthquake, which the united states geological survey is predicting as a if we have another earthquake at the level of the 1812 earthquake it would damage we missed the very beginning of what you said. it he worked at the department of energy? , the germangermany beer makers have come out against fracking because they do not want their beer to be destroyed by the voices involved in fracking.