of america. and as the recent jobs report with rory o'sullivan. journal" is next. klaxon think it is important to recognize the two cannot have 100 percent security and 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience. we are going to have to make some choices as a society. ♪ host: president obama defends the surveillance program. that is how we begin this edition of "washington journal." today is june 8, 2013 and for the first of 45 minutes of the program we are going to be talking about the comments the

president made yesterday defending the surveillance tactics. we want to get your thoughts on what president have to say. here are the numbers -- as always you can reach out to us via social media. in this morning's "financial times weekend edition" --

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our first call regarding the president defending the surveillance program comes from douglas in maryland on our line for democrats. welcome to the program. caller: can you hear me? host: i can, go ahead. caller: i am not surprised at all of this. phonest with the investigations that were uncovered, dianne feinstein and defended -- it is an outrage. we have known since obama first took office in 2008 -- we were hoping for a change from the banan republic policies from the

bush department. there was no rule of law. as a loyal liberal democrat my number one problem with barack obama is his very centrist establishment conservative views with eric holder scoring things up left and right in the justice department, not closing guantanamo bay. he does not care about privacy. --c holder is making out from a democrat that is pre stinging criticism of barack obama. says: when the president that nobody is listening to your phone calls to do not believe him? caller: of course not. it is not my personality to be carefree like that.

i'm someone who often gets misunderstood and taken to the wrong place at the wrong time. they do not care. this underlying respect for privacy and our rights. of course i'd assume they are listening. i have a horizon wireless cell phone and i might be a terrorist -- verizon wireless cell phone and i might be a terrorist. host: let's go to brett. caller: i agree with the last caller. it is hard to listen to this president talk about respecting people's privacy when we are going through a huge scandal when we found out that the irs, which is supposed to be a non- partisan organization, have been targeting conservatives and republicans because of directions from washington, which ultimately will or will

not lead back to president obama but no one can deny the fact that president obama has gotten in front of the press and said that the tea partiers are terrorist. there is a real war on republican conservatives. it is really unfair. >> let me get your response on the front page of "the wall street journal weakened addition," the lead with -- weekend edition," they lead with -- in defending this he says the court had a hand in congress as well.

--se are simply claims caller: these are simply claims. he is going after conservative reporters. when osama bin laden's rate was -- ed -- raid was leaked president obama uses this as an excuse for any issue. if there is no debate he will institute an executive order. the public gets nowhere. host: we are going to leave it there and move on to fill in kansas on our line for republicans. caller: good morning. host: your thoughts about what the president said yesterday defending be surveillance programs. caller: it is a flimsy defense. i have been looking into this stuff for the last five or six months. i interested about the case of

thomas brake having to defend himself against the administration. it has cost him every bit of money he has. i looked into it and some of the things they are doing -- they are not listening to us. my wife and myself, we hosted international students. they had interest in that according to these programs. if you host international students you are of interest to them host: do you believe the nsa might have been listening to your calls going out of your house because you had been hosting the students? host: how can i say? -- caller: how can i say? we have some friends who are palestinians, some friends who

are jews. all of these different things. we have fundamental rights. you know this much better than i do. you hear this every day. this administration cares absolutely nothing about those fundamental rights. host: that is still in kansas. the president in san jose, california also talked about explaining the monitoring of phone calls. [video clip] >> nobody is listening to your telephone calls. that is not what this program is about. as was indicated, what the intelligence community is doing is looking at phone numbers and durations of calls. they are not looking at people's names and they are not looking at content. by sifting through this so- called meta-data they may ident

ify potential leads with folks who might engage in terrorism. intelligence community wants to listen to a phone call they have to go back to a federal judge, just like a wood in a criminal investigation. in ast like they would criminal investigation. i want to be clear that the hype we have been hearing of the last day -- nobody is listening to the content of people possible cause. host: that as the president speaking yesterday in california. the mining --

back to the phones -- stephen in annapolis, indiana for democrats. caller: i think what you're going to hear today, and so far what most people -- they do not agree with what president has done. these of the same people that when something catastrophic happens, some type of terrorist one that be the same say the president is not protecting us. it is damned if you do damned if you don't. if you do not have anything to hide why are you worrying about a phone call being monitored? it does not make any sense to me. annapolis.en in we will go to the independent's line.

caller: everything is going to be computerized. i have no problem with it myself. this is a must thing to do and we must protect our country. i agree with the last caller from indiana. this is something that has to be done. if we need to catch these terrorists are cat people that are trying to kill us, this is what needs to happen. i do not believe they are listening on the calls. i am skeptical. i do not believe they are doing that. on the other hand if we can gather information that is going to lead to the cells of these people that want to bomb us and kill us, why don't we do it? i do not have a problem with it. look at what i do on facebook, listen to what i do on my phone calls. i do not care. host: republican line, you're on "washington journal."

--ler: host: we are going to take a break from our discussion on the surveillance programs to talk about another topic in the news this morning, that is the jobs numbers that came out yesterday. joining us to talk about that is reuters.thompson good morning. guest: good morning. host: in the business section of "the new york times" this morning -- tell us what seems to be the concern about pace of the hiring going on here in the united states. it is a neither here nor there report. we do not have suddenly more rapid pace and job creation.

it was in deteriorating, i guess is the positive side. basically it is creating just enough to gradually bring down the unemployment rate. but if you want to do it more quickly you have to see job growth -- we have 175,000 new jobs created last month economists say you need something a but 200,000 to get the jobless rate averaged something above two hundred thousand ticket the jobless rate is lowered -- something above the two hundred thousand to the jobless rate below. host: should we focus on the 170 by thousand cannot guess today or wait until the numbers are readjusted?

caller: the markets tend to react to the immediate news. this ismostly because meticulous hard work that the labor department is doing. the overall trend is what matters. the overall trend recently has but nothing toe write home about. host: we are talking with pedro, economics reporter with thompson reuters. the shall we take away from fact the government went down 45,000 over the last three months? as as something to be concerned about? guest: in the sense that we knew

this question was going to kick again we knew that washington is actually becoming a drag on the u.s. economy. one of the major surprises is that it is not actually having a deeper impact because there are worries that want to cut spending all of the private- sector services that are related to government contract might also deteriorated. his so far we haven't seen much evidence on that kind of spill over. there is so much of this sequester process to kick again so we might see further deterioration. host: on the front page of the weakened section of "the financial times," their headline - - e we kind of tapering ar talking about here? thest: tapering has become

new buzzword for reducing the stimulus. in the past monetary policy officials would steer the economy by lowering interest rates. what they have been doing is buying bonds to support the recovery. there are different assessments to how well it worked. the economy is performing surprisingly well given the fiscal headwinds. there is a case to be made that monetary policy is helping. they seem to have some concern about how much they can keep doing this without causing financial market troubles and other types of problems. they seem keen to start winding down the program towards the end of the year. i expect that to happen around november or december. da costa, thompson

rueters. does that mean we should expect to see more increases in taxes coming from congress over the next couple of months? guest: probably not in the next couple of months. everything that kicked in with taxes are already in effect. one of the important things to highlight is that this government drag on growth is -- some would argue it is unnecessary and we could be doing a lot better than we are. we are going to have economic growth about 2% this year, which is around trend. theou have a deep slump economists are expecting a rapid recovery so we have to make up a lot of ground quickly. we stagnated around the 2% area for the past three or four years. some people estimate that it worked -- if it weren't for the

fiscal cliff and the sequester and these many crises that washington has engineered we could have growth around 3.5% this year. much deepermean progress in the labor market. host: we have been talking with pedro da costa thompson reuters p c has been talking with us about the jobs numbers that cannot get a. thank you. we continue our discussion of the president's nsa surveillance programs. anthony from maryland is on our lives for democrats. good morning. caller: i will have to be like the last few callers. i would agree that democrats and republicans agree that if you have no reason to hide there is no reason to fear. the bush said ministration, the patriot act, they even said they listen for keywords when you

talk on the phone. this also goes deeper. you do not know what they are investigating. they are also looking into the chinese breaking into our e- mail's and things. maybe that might be something that they cannot let everybody know exactly what they are chasing or who they are looking at and why they are looking at numbers and all that kind of stuff. hand.going to tip the it is a problem we created allowing our cell phone and computers to be built in china. it would allow them to access our e-mail and all types of things. it is a thing we have to fix the the only way we are going to be able to fix it is to secretly to what the president is doing. anthony in maryland

mention the chinese and that is part of the story in " the wall street journal" this morning -- they write -- the article goes on to say that for china this isn't much corporate espionage as much as --

we continue our discussion regarding president obama's defense of surveillance programs. kevin is on the line for independents: from savannah, georgia. i'm going back to the nas issue, it is what we have to do. we have to protect ourselves. i watch the news. we have stopped some any potential attacks on our country by these programs. it is an important strategy of our homeland security to protect ourselves.

we cannot be -- i do agree with the president that we cannot be a safe society and not give up some of our liberties. they have to be given up. as far as unemployment -- my only thing with that is i believe congress blew it. we should have invested in our infrastructure, it is falling apart. if we had done that i guarantee you that our unemployment would be below 4%. people desperately needed the jobs and we definitely need the upgrade in our infrastructure. host: michael in south dartmouth, massachusetts on our line for republicans. caller: thank you for having me on. i recently watched the speech that president obama kate to reassure the american people that things are being done properly. i am not convinced. i do not trust the president. he is quoting a congressional overview and judicial overview the way we are protected.

the irs is supposed be marked by congress and the judicial branch. practicesyears their went on and nobody wanted the information from the executive branch. he is talking about judicial overview. heorney general holder, shocked judges when he was trying to get approval to do what he wanted to. wasinally found one that willing to do it the way he wanted it to. i think the question is of integrity and president obama is not somebody that i trust. adding the people who are defending him are probably getting a check from the government. host: sorry, i thought you were done there. we have a tweet from michael,

who writes -- to that and we also want to reference this article in "the new york times," --

back to the phones, marilyn in virginia beach, virginia. caller: i have been thinking about the quotye from the bank robber who was asked why he robbed banks, he said that is where the money is. fromhone calls are coming -- that is where the terrorists are coming from. in the irs if you have one group putting millions of dollars into the sea with our eductions and then those conservative groups might be the logical ones to go after and see if they are trying to use -- trying to misuse the tax system.

>> are you concerned at all that the nsa may be listening in to your phone calls? >> no. i am not talking with any terrorist i know of. i can see where if there are calls coming from terrorists that they may want to know. joseph in scranton, pennsylvania on our line for democrats. caller: this is regarding the nsa surveillance. it violates the free-speech and first amendment. the fourth amendment, the free frome unreasonable seizures. i think the government is taking the easy way out because it is easier to hurt the american thane than to protect them

to do their job and solve the problem, which is secure the borders. why do business with the chinese, why do business with the arabs? this has been going on since the forties, world war two. they have been checking phone calls back then when they were checking for nazis. it has only gotten worse. i think with government sloppiness and laziness -- it needs to stop. it has only gotten worse in 65 years. host: we are going to leave it there. we have this chart here from tomography research that shows a little bit about how the information flows. they write much of the world's communications flow through the u.s.. it targets phone call, e-mail or chat will take the cheapest path, not the physically most

direct path -- you cannot always predict the paths. your target communications could easily be falling into and through the u.s.. that the phones, tom in westport -- back to the phones, tom in westport, conn. caller: the information that is gathered makes sense to protect against terrorist attacks. the unfortunate thing is there seems to be such a lack of commitment to fundamental liberties and freedom with this administration that i believe ultimately the information will be used for purposes in which it was not intended. they say absolute power corrupts absolutely. we have all this information and you can push a button to find out who is talking to who for political purposes. i believe it'll be too tempting. host: i want to get your reaction to the lead editorial this morning in "the financial times," the right --

-- they write -- caller: the immediate need after 9/11 might suggest it is necessary. i think that the important issue is the limitations on it and limitations on the people using it to make sure that the program stops when necessary. and also it is not used for purposes for which it was not intended. the irs scandalous unfortunately happening at the same time. taxes are necessary and the irs is necessary but it is being used for purposes for which it was not intended.

i believe that comes from the administration costs and- --ented approach, which is the administration's end- oriented approach. jose,the president in san california also addressed e- mail's and internet traffic. [video clip] >> i will respect internet and e-mails. this does not apply to u.s. citizens and people in the united states. in this instance not only is congress apprised of it but what is also true is that the courts have to authorize it. in summary what you have is two programs that were of a originally authorized by congress, had been repeatedly authorized by congress.

bipartisan majorities have approved them. briefed is continuously on how these are conducted. there are a whole range of safeguards involved. federal judges are overseeing the entire program throughout. we're talking about the president's defense of nsa surveillance programs. in california the conversation on facebook looks like this --

back to the phones, clarence in frederick town, ohio -- you are on the "washington journal." i do not understand people do they not remember a 9/11 ? how do they think they got all that done? do people think they are not trying to do this stuff? listens give a darn who to me on the telephone and i do not care who policy on the

internet. i am not doing anything wrong. a lot of people feel the same way i do. ?hy not just let this go yes, they need to be watched to make sure they are doing what they need to do. but it still something that needs to happen. host: randy on our line for independents. towhead. caller: i will tell that i exactly why not because where does it stop? if you do not have anything bad in your car or house is it ok to search it? rightsou stop giving up for safety? continue increasing security, taking rights. it is never going to stop because you are never going to be safe enough. it is just never going to happen. why don't we stop motivating people to attack us?

all of oure stop activities over there? maybe people will not want to borrobomb us. host: thank you for the call. post" -- thisgton is talking about the meeting in california --

jimmy in north carolina is on our line for independents. caller: good morning. it is basically a result of where we, as far as the technology and what not. the gathering of information has been going on for years and years. we are not going to all of a sudden stop collecting information i voted for obama the first time. i totally agree with what is going on. we just have to do it. host: that is jimmy in greensboro, north carolina. senator john mccain along with senator flan -- senator dianne feinstein are visiting

guantanamo bay. senator mccain has put out this already has gotten some response -- that the phones, and john in texas on our line for republicans. you are on "washington journal."

.aller: yes the nsa and all that, it is strictly unconstitutional. ammendment number four, search and siezure warrants. the right of the people to be secure against unreasonable seizures and searches shall not be piloted and no warrants shall be issued without probable cause supported by affirmation scrapped in based research. what they are doing is strictly

and al, unconstitutional dictatorship. host: another store in the washington post related to the president's defense of the surveillance program says -- donald is calling from north

carolina on our line for independents. caller: i hear a lot of people complaining about this program being able to stop potential terrorist attacks on our nations. i am a veteran. i've been to three deployment overseas protecting the rights and liberties of our american people after being attacked by the so-called terrorists that hit our nation on 9/11 on different occasions. stop crying. think about the people that just lost their lives in boston. you guys have to look up the big picture here and really realize people are putting their life on the line for your freedom and your liberties. you do not care and you're sitting there and playing politics and politics at the end of the day are going to get to kill. host: you had spent some time in

the service of our country in uniform. caller: yes, sir. ote here --e a qu what you think about what george washington had to say? caller: i can understand his perspective on it. if you actually take a look and see how many families are being torn apart on a regular basis because of what we have to do to protect our nation, it is not a good book called it is not equivocal to any rights -- it is not equivocal to any rights. we are going to have less interest to be able to control what their actions aren't how they do business drop the world. we have to engage these people on a regular basis to help control some of the actions they have in future endeavors

throughout the world. host: we are going to leave it there. we have another call, this one is from belmont pennsylvania. caller: hello. one quick comment before i talk about the subject. twice during this 45 minutes of open phones for this subject you tried to change topics. we had an interview about finance and another about john mccain. they do this all the time. i approve of president obama. i approve of everything george bush did. msnbc ran the video tape of the centerrash at the trade

and ended with the other crashes. for four hours. americans should be asked to run this -- to watch this rerun. i'm tired of hearing about civil liberties when we talk about -- just sit down and watch that your pet will tell you yes or no wish to do this kind of surveillance. in "the newad story york times," --

the article goes on to say -- back to the phones. bill is on our caller: line for independents -- bill is on our line for independence. -- independents. caller: thank you for c-span.

is whent i want to make they get to the point where they are taking all of your freedoms away and your rights to privacy what would our founding fathers say? the 55 people that signed the declaration of independence that was critical to our independence. if their rights had been violated back in those days, the minute those folks signed the declaration of independence of them were terrorists. the would have left them in hang in the's news. i agree with safety but we have to figure out what level of safety rearmost comfortable with -- we are most comfortable with. how would martin luther king feared with freedoms -- fared with freedmonds?

host: we are going to leave it there. coming up on "washington journal," we will talk with the national chair of the republican national committee about how a party can reach out to younger voters. later on we will talk with dominique gelin about the democrats' efforts to retain young voters. senate agriculture committee bie talks about farm bill that is due on monday. she also talked about next week's senate debate over immigration legislation. [video clip] >> harry reed wants to get the bill done before the july 4 recess. it is my understanding that the way the bill came down the last time there was a comprehensive immigration you voted against the final bill. i am curious why that was and

why this bill is difference, if this is something you'll be able to support. >> first of all i did end up voting against it because there were not the limits on our wage and lower skilled workers coming into our country that was to supplant american jobs. there are many pieces to this. the jobs peace is so important. our farmers need have a system that works for them that is legitimate and legal. we need to make sure we do not leave us there is on the ground or apples in the trees. in thee us there guests ground or apples in the trees. -- leave asparagus in the ground or apples int he trees. if you look at other parts of the bill, the thing i compliment them on is they have made sure that there is not a loophole that would allow the

company to bypass an american that needed the job and bring in somebody from outside the country just because they can pay lower wages. i would not support this bill if it did not create a process, a legal process and the limit in a way that did not undermine american workers. this needs to be about adding to the economy, strengthening the economy and bringing accountability to a system that is totally broken. we also need to make sure it does not undermine american workers. journal"ngton continues. host: alex smith joins us at the washington journal table. she is here to talk to us about her group's recently released report, a grand old party for a brand new generation. tell us about the report and what is the big take away from the information that you gathered?

guest: after the 2012 elections we want to study why president obama won with 5 million more young voters the governor romney. we want to know the emphasis to this question because we felt that the economic situation was particularly dismal up time of the election. more and more young people are moving in with their parents. we want to know why young people were voting against their interest and voting for the president. we have six focus groups across three different cities, two national surveys and looked at a deep root causes as to why the voters had voted democratic again. at three different camps that republicans fall into in terms of what went wrong, the is not up toamp speed.

there is a policy camp that says perhaps our policy is not with voters. the brand camp states that teh republican brand has been tarnished but this is something winable. host: tarnished how? guest: as the voters seeing us as the party of closed minded this. over the years voters have developed these notions. we can reclaim them as a brand. host: you also meet technology. do young republicans not have the same access to technology that the young democrats use? what we studied in the report is how we can make use of

the existing technology is out there. talking about the youth vote on cnn talked to the eighth vote on something they read every day, yahoo! news and making better use of facebook. host: the policy aspect, explain that. west:the policy aspect is as a party need to change our policy to win young voters and that is not something we consider to be true. the government is a catch phrase you hear in every election. we need to reduce big government. what we found is that term resonated differently with young people. it was received negatively in a lot of instances. they were with us on the size and scope of government. they think we spend too much and that entitlement programs are broken. they are not going to be there for them.

one of our participants stated specifically what separates the millennial generation from other generations is that we will not have social security. they are with us on size and scope of the government. we need to explain the government. host: we are talking with alex smith, she is the national chair of the republican national committee. we are focusing on their report that was just released "brand -- "grand old party for a brand degeneration." -- for a brand new generation." we have a special line this morning for folks under the age of 26. 85-3883.

our first call comes from bloomington indiana on our line for independents. you are on the open "washington journal." are on "washington journal." caller: i would like to ask the young lady how did she respond the fact that people like rush limbaugh and bill riley and all of these people on the boxes have brought the republican party so far to the right that people like me to excuse to --sider ourselves moderate we are in the middle. what are we supposed to do and the republicans did not care anything about us because -- i was going to vote for ron paul.

the way they treated him is the same way they are treating everyone else. it does not go along with their ideology and their ideology is wrong. they really are so far out there to the right and so far to the extreme side of it right now that they do not even -- they are not even based in reality. host: we are going to leave it there. alex smith? guest: one of the most fascinating part of the study is when we asked participants to name upcoming leaders. the republican names that the identified were the miti personalities like rush limbaugh and bill riley. when we asked young voters to name up and coming leaders they were able to name chris christie, marc rubio, several people that are deep on the republican bench. for the republicans -- for the

democrats not so much. think going forward behalf of really exciting -- doe in fort we have a really exciting cast of candidates. -- going for it we have a really exciting cast of candidates. host: bill is on the line for washington journal. caller: we have such bright and intelligent people write for the should be. i have a question for you, how you plan to attach your star to the social security rainbow? also what was your very first job and what age did you sign up for yourselves of security number? at what time did you begin paying into social security? host: why your fascination with social security? caller: because i am on social

security. host: alex smith? guest: i started paying into social security when i was just a checkout clerk at 16 years old. the sad truth is that younger voters and my generation -- we are working and paying into social security -- into a system that we will never see. it will be bankrupt by the time we are eligible to receive it. younger voters are against the big government, the big labor unions, the big institutional programs. they want a party and candidate that will stand up for them and these institutions. going for the republicans can make great inroads with younger voters by providing solution- oriented ideas to fixing the entitlement programs out there. host: steve in florida on our line for democrats. caller: thank you for letting me

speak this morning. years ilast 25 to 30 the rights and conditions of working people in rhode little by little. littleing people erode by little. that is what scares me because everson is the onset of the reagan administration i feel -- ever since the onset of the reagan administration i feel that any regulation on corporations is considered socialism, which is a word that republicans always throw out. if you want to get young voters back into the republican -- that

is something you're going to have to shift. whenever i hear talk about big governments and corporate regulations and for the less regulations -- and for less regulations i become frightened because corporates have become so big and so powerful. they are setting up a post office boxes overseas to avoid billions of dollars in taxes. to me is the only check and balance on corporate america that i feel has become freestanding branch of the government. host: alex smith? guest: one of the greatest part of our research is we are looking at how young voters are looking at the economy. young voters are incredibly auction and real.

-- incredibly on to an area. entrepeneurial. most dream of starting their own business some day. the dream of opening up a small business, what have you. the view you as an obstacle to that as government regulation might be getting in the way of that. we can be the party that helps them get to where they want to go in the beginning. next callers our from berlin, maryland. he is an independent and 25- years old. welcome to "washington journal." caller: i'd like to talk to you about the young voters. they are misinformed into believing that republicans and democrats are two different parties when instead clever kids voted in is only protecting their own interests. -- we is looking out for

need to solve these problems before we even vote anybody in. host: as somebody who is 25- years old what do you think is being missed by the democrats or the republicans? they will all say what they need to say to be voted into where they want to be. once they are there, they do not back up what they have said. thet: alex smith, from republican national committee. republican brand is not favorable among young voters. the democratic plan does not win high points either. while they are on favorable are more than that -- lower than that of republicans, we asked young voters, how do you want people to see you? the prevailing thought is that

younger voters will be seen as cool our creative or some of the associated with them. by and large, young people want to be seen as intelligent, hard- working, responsible, competence. those brand attributes are easily attainable for us in talking to young voters. but democrats have not captured those brand attributes gets, the intelligence and hard working attributes so that we -- the young people do not see the democrats that way either. host: according to a jobs numbers that came on yesterday, we want to look at unemployment by age. 16-19 years old, 24.5%. old, 7.2%. you were talking about

entrepreneurial aspects of young republicans and voters. young republicans and young voters has seen it will be their efforts that gets them all of this unemployment situation more than the efforts of big government and big business? guest: these numbers are certainly dismal. it is a reminder to our generation that we do not have the same opportunities that generation's going before us had. within those numbers -- a generations before us had. some of the president's key demographics within the young voter block are really hurting. 21% unemployment for young african-americans. young people are really hurting out there. in terms of going forward, like

i said before, in the service we what tested high is a candidate that will try to fix the problem and go against big government or big corporations. i can see young voters taking a more active role in the baltics to fix the situation. host: we have of yours and listeners who want to send us messages by social media. that is popular among the young people. our address at twitter is @cspanwj. you can also join us on facebook. scott is calling from illinois on our line for republicans. you are on the "washington journal." go ahead. caller: what do you think is the key solutions for getting our

economy back on track? what is your philosophy behind that? thank you. guest: one of the things we talk about with our young participants is the need to cut spending. not just cutting spending for spending's sake. the spending we are doing now is currently contributing to the amount of debt we will be responsible for later on. going forward, that is where we need to start. host: michael in pennsylvania on our line for independents. go ahead. caller: i am 34 years old. the last republican presidential candidate i voted for was george w. bush the first time. about two things. it up in the morning, go to work, and government stay out of our lives.

because we are so active online, we research things. can bet think anybody voted against our interests and vote against somebody who makes their living by exporting jobs, by getting rid of american jobs. that is frightening. as far as the government stay out of our lives, things i do not affect other people like gay marriage, for instance. if the republican party wants to improve their brand and be seen as more open, they should be more open. host: alex smith. wayt: in looking at the young voters are feeling about the perception of the republican party, what the caller was getting at is the procession difference between the two candidates in the 2012

election, president obama and governor romney. that was certainly something we saw in our survey research. under voters like the fact that the president talked about having student loans. they felt that he was more reliable. by about 40%, they said the president related better to be generation. only 15% gave the score to governor romney. going forward, the future of the republican party is bright. the leaders we have in the hopper are definitely people who have different innovative ideas, different personal backgrounds and stories that will be relatable for voters. the democrats will have an uphill battle in terms of finding fresh and new leadership that can come in and offered the

same kind of spark that president obama did with younger voters. research talk at all about the support by younger republicans for candidate mitt romney and the positive aspects they saw in his candidacy and some of the negative aspects? it we focused primarily on brand and how voters used the republican party branch as a whole. one of the attributes that is a similar one between candidates and party is that the younger --ers associated with our the word wealthy with the republican party. i certainly do not consider myself that. many of my friends working in the republican party would not characterize themselves as that either. lots of the attributes were hurtful, just knowing what we

know about ourselves as young republicans and what we believe. going forward, we have to do a better job of explaining exactly what we believe and where we come from. host: in addition to being the national chair of the college republican national committee, alex smith is a recent graduate from the catholic university of america with a degree in politics. she is attending seton hall law school in new jersey and is the chairman of the d.c. college republicans. she campaigned for a congressman. tell us about that experience. best: that was one of the experiences you can have. anyone who is interested in politics should get out there and work on a campaign to see what it is like from the ground up. one of the ways i always found was the most successful way to

learn and take everything in is to offer to do anything, to be there, to show up when you think no one is working. in terms of learning field experience and what it is like to talk to voters and what it is like to organize, that is important going forward. like we said from the beginning, anis was not just intellectual exercise for us. we wanted to find out where we could go from here. where we can go from here will take real adaptation to our existing national field communications structure, something that working on a campaign when you are younger can assist with. host: our next call for alex inith comes from ernie virginia on our line for folks under 26. you are right at 26 and you are also a republican?

caller: yes, sir. question --all our your comment or question for alex smith. caller: i do not know if you agree with the three categories for why mitt romney did not win. as i seeree categories them. tiedusiness, super rich, into that would be special interests. what mitt romney was perceived as by a lot of younger voters was the social conservative nicelyus groups, illustrated by rick santorum. probably group, and the future of the republican party would be the pro-liberty, personal responsibility freedom group, which was illustrated by ron paul. what was your idea on those

three different aspects of the party it? i think they are all republican in nature, much more so than democratic. what are the few things that the pro-liberty agenda is likely in the future for the republican party? all of the three categories and more all have a place in the republican party. that is what we need to show going forward. you can be of different beliefs and have a place at home in this party, united by a common desire for more liberty mine did government policies -- more governmentded policies. host: the college republican national committee, is this under the umbrella of the rnc? >> it is not.

group.an independent 527 we respect our elders committee and we think chairman reince priebus is doing a great job. he is respectful in reaching out. for democrats,ne you are on the "washington journal." go ahead. listening to alex and her polling and what they did for the use in their category in relation to social security -- youth in relation to social security and medicare and all the other stuff, talking about they will not have social security in their time, they are following the narrative and the naivete of the republicans. they make people believe that those things will not be in existence when they have the

opportunity to strengthen and build those particular industries, which have been around for decades. president obama has put things in place to make sure they are prosperous enough to be around for their time, in their lifetime, and the life span in which they expect to be receiving those things. with the implementation of obamacare, instead of following the rhetoric that the republicans are using to try to distort the positive effects of the obamacare on building the social security network, as well as medicare and medicaid for their future, they would see that if they allowed those things to be implemented and get the effects of this, they will see that those different programs will be in place in their life span.

guest: i disagree on two points. i think the data out there, my own personal belief is that social security and medicare -- i am pay into them -- but i will never see them. in terms of the affordable care act, i believe it was a mistake. young, healthy people will pay for it in the future in terms of quality and cost. that being said, what the caller is speaking to is this idea that thought the president was offering something. they gave him an a for effort. he offered something. it was a start. whether or not it was a good one, that is something i disagree with. going forward as a party, we need to offer solutions.

we need to offer fixes to the problems out there that young people see. here.we have a tweet gop do to attract young women voters while opposing women's issues? of theshe brings up one things we highlighted in our study. women's issues has become this completed term for a number of different issues where young people stand differently. trend more pro- life. that is true across genders and across the different age subsets. where we get into a problem with the party is when the other side has done a good job of muddying the waters and being able to bleed this message out

into other issues, for example the availability of contraception and other issues related to that. they have been able to paint our party as being anti-women's health. we will be speaking more specifically on the issue, not allowing the combining of issues. ist: marty in arkansas calling in on our line 426 year olds and under. go ahead. caller: i would like to make a comment about something alex said earlier. she said young people will end up having to pay for obamacare. she is absolutely right. but they will pay for it and get health insurance at the same time. jobs being scarce, that seems like it would be worth paying

for. not disagree with the republican party's message. i just started to get into politics. i think they have a lot of good thets on trying to win growth of government. i hear a government that becomes overly intrusive. it seems contradictory to want to limit the growth of government, and the government controls people's lives. but on social issue after social issue, you seem to want to make the choices for people in their lives. i do not think that is consistent with your message. i think it is kind of hard to become educated in the republican ideals. i did not trust most of your media sources. bombastical and hard to

understand. host: marty, will lead in their. collegeth, from the republican national committee. guest: the implementation of obamacare, one democratic leader calling it a train wreck. a lot of people voted for it with the hope that it would fix a problem in this country. is going to get young people -- not only will young people pay for it in terms of being young and healthy and their contributions being used to pay for the older and the sick, is the fact that more and more businesses will begin dropping the hours of people in order to avoid the mandate that they cover them. that will hit young people especially hard. young people are often in those jobs where they are teetering on

the edge of part-time and full- time. there is nothing to incentivize the company to keep honest full- time employees. i think young people will pay for this health-care law. it is going to be up to our party going forward to implement situation as a whole, and to prevent the loss from hurting young people and americans in general. host: on the cover of chapter 1 of your report, brand new party for a brand new generation, you says, i wouldhat not admit to this, but i also watch the daily show and stephen colbert. talk to us a little bit about what your report shows about where young republicans are getting their information from.

voterswe survey young across the spectrum. younger voters are getting their information from a surprising amount of places and a diverse lot of places. one of the biggest things we have found was that in terms of looking at social media, young people trusted the content posted by their peers. if there appears posted positive content and shared it, it often became a sponsor story in their face but new seed and they read it as news. 50% -- story in their facebook assfeed and they read it news. local television was something voterss cited by young in order to consume news. they are consuming it in a few other surprising places, but mainly on demand. when you are looking at

advertising on hulu and pandora, younger voters are selected when they are going to consume media in general. we have to be there with advertising and with the same kind of content that the other side is pushing out on those forums to effectively get our message out there. tweet.ike sends us this in a few years, all gop leaders will be social misfits from evangelical colleges with disdain science. guest: i would say, looking at our current contenders for 2016, the speculation that is out there, that is simply untrue. that is a sweeping generation -- generalization. we are excited about the candidates we have out there.

our governors that are making waves in their state in terms of implementing conservative republican ideas at the state level that we think are going to help young voters. governor perry's $10,000 a bachelor's degree in texas, something about keeping educational costs affordable. we have great talent on the horizon. we are excited that the republican national committee will be able to support those leaders in terms of getting that message out to voters. host: back to the phones. bob calls us from connecticut. go ahead, bob. caller: alex, three quick comments for you. i would like to back up to the last topic in say i am all in favor of surveillance, provided the irs does not use that information.

secondly, policy on the republican side. in this day and age, conservatism is still the silent majority. i hear the media speaking about republicans changing their policies all the time. i hope we can stand our ground. i believe conservatism is the silent majority. thirdly, a suggestion for the republican party in the upcoming elections and campaigning. put some emphasis on small business. small business in this country is still the backbone. it is in severe need of attention. thanks for taking my call. guest: the caller's. speaking -- speaks to what eric cantor set about changing the pizza box, not to the pizza.

speaking of small business, it is a great inroads us to make opportunities. they do not think taxes should go up on small business. what we see as an issue as a party is that oftentimes small businesses run their taxes through individual tax returns, showing the make 250,000 dollars, which is characterized as wealthy. help young voters make that selection. that voters might be at income level, but they might be able to give you a job, too. we need to focus on keeping taxes low on small businesses, not only because it is good for economic growth, but it is a great way to message our id's -- ideas for young people. host: talking about your report, someone says republicans have failed young latino voters.

they are out of reach and messaging to young voters -- after examining the results of a national survey, many of these people tend to think the gop could not care less about them. why is that? at a compositeng of younger voters, younger voters are increasingly not white. wehave to think about how talk to young or voters, particularly younger latino ofers and see what kind things they care about going forward. the recommendations from our maket are that we need to distinctions between legal and illegal immigrants and the distinction between the children of illegal immigrants and illegal immigrants themselves. a lot of times, a lot of these labels get conflated together

when republican leaders are talking about the issue. it can be used extensively and it is not as specific as young voters would hope in talking about the issue. there is legislation coming up on this issue and legislation out there that will affect people's lives who are residing here in the country right now. we have to be specific when we talk about this as a party. we are happy to help shepherd that through. host: another review of the report was put up in politico. report, how the gop lost young voters. on the open-minded issue, we will face serious difficulty so long as the issue of gay marriage remains on the table. guest: in looking at the issue of gay marriage in the report, what we wanted to specifically find out is, is it a threshold issue with younger voters.

to what extent are they voting just on this issue alone. we designed a four part question that was designed to see whether younger voters would voted for a candidate who agreed with them on all of the other issues except for that one. we found it is not a threshold issue. going forward, we promote the the diversity within our ranks. former vice president dick cheney was to be left of president obama just a few months ago on this issue. we have to adopt a more accepting and tolerant rhetoric when we talk about this issue. chairman reince priebus put it best when he said, this is an issue about dignity and respect. we need to start incorporating that into the way we talk about this issue. host: the next call from -- fort comes from chicago.

caller: thanks for taking my call. i would like to take issue with ms. smith's statement earlier about how young people perceive the republican party. is anot think it perception at all if it is that based on empirical evidence. going back to the reagan administration, young people have watched the republican party on issue after issue -- not just social issues, but economic issues. they have been against, not just the young population, but they have been against minorities and women. going all the way up to today, look at voter suppression. when young people see that and the republican party wants to suppress the vote, not just in certain spots, but all over the

country. they seek the republican party who do this and support policies that help big business. you said earlier that the republican party is against anything big. but when it comes to big corporations and their right to people,porations as that comes from the republican party. the last time the republicans won the used vote convincingly was in president reagan's second term. that was not the last time we came close. just as early as 2000, we came ofhin 2 percentage points tying democrats with the youth vote. even if we do not win them, the vote is growing

and by one percentage point in the past four president of cycles in a row. it moved up to 19% in 2012. with the voting demographic that starts at age 30, mitt romney would be president right now. we ignore them at our own peril. in terms of going forward, we need to not be so concerned youth vote out right. we need to put up a fight. our: katie is calling on line for folks under the age of 25. she is a democrat. caller: thanks for taking my call. what i wanted to talk about was particularly still in loans. andve recently left college i am and way over my head in

debt because of college. i really do not feel like the republican party is doing anything to help young people with their student loan debt. i feel like my only recourse is voting democrat. they are trying hard to keep interest rates low. republicans are not doing that. knowing that social security is not going to be there in the future, i am knowing i will have to pay back the student loans for the rest of my life. the fact that obamacare is right around the corner in 2014, i am excited because i cannot afford health care in any other way. host: we have to wrap this up because we are running short on time. how far over your head are you in that? caller: it is over $100,000. host: how long have you been out of school? caller: i have been out of

school for a couple of years. i got a master's degree, so i was in school a lot longer than most kids. i am a public library in. host: we will leave it there. sorry to cut you off. under in our report, voters give democrats the advantage on the issue of student loans. i empathize with katie. i am in the same boat. what we need to talk about as a party is not the federal subsidy of student loans, but talking about how we make educational -- education more affordable. i disagree that republicans are doing nothing on the issue of student loans. as recently as may 23, republicans blocked a bill to the floor make to -- meant to address this issue. a longer term, and 10 year fixed that would have made the student loan rate attached to market forces.

going forward, we need to be more clear with younger voters about the things we are doing to help them on this issue. host: to you have any political aspirations? do you see yourself running for office? guest: i am on the republican national committee. it is a big job in i am excited to do it. host: alex smith is the national chair of the republican national committee. their report is a brand new party for a brand new situation -- generation. thanks for being on the program. we will continue the discussion on the other side with dominique gelin, frumpy college democrats of america. then we will dissect the numbers on youth unemployment from the recent jobs report. you are watching "washington journal." today is saturday, june 8, 2013.

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discussion on what affects young voters. joining us is dominique gelin, the political affairs director of college democrats of america. she is coming to us live from orlando, florida. welcome to the program. in a recent article in the washington post, they talked about white democrats should be worried about the youth vote. voters casteligible ballots in the 2012 elections according to a census bureau report released that week. that is lower than any other age group and 21 points below the overall turnout rate. turnout among 18-24 year old was down across the board compared to 2008. if you take this as a jumping off point, why should the democrats be worried about the youth vote?

guest: i would not go straight to worry. democrats are invested in young voters. our campus outreach and our county by county outreach is strong. has the why the dnc young democrats of america and why we work with our state parties. we know that democrats value young voters, not only as contributions to the voting plot, but folks who will be taking over our economy shortly and contributing to making things last the way we have been doing it. we are more active among young voters. we are looking out for americans a bit more than people have come to expect from the other side. host: what would you say is the major issue for young democratic voters going into the next election? ,uest: off the top of my head

student loan reform. i know that alex was talking about the republican house bill and their attempts to address the issue. the fact of the matter is, when you look at the republican house bill, it is not nearly as substantive as what president obama and the democrats have offered. we offered a pay-as-you-go program that ties the amount of money you are able to bring into your home to the middle-class tax credit, that allows somebody to turn higher education for their children in ways you are not seeing on the other side. when you look at issues like health care reform, which allows young people to stay on their parents' insurance until the age of 26, all of these initiatives and policies are already benefiting young people. when it comes to the ballot box, whether it is 2016 or 2014, you

are going to see young voters committed to the democratic party because we stay committed to young voters. host: you heard part of the interview earlier with alex smith. can you talk to me about the young democrats' prospects for job creation? does it differ at all from what young republicans are saying in terms of their job prospects when they graduate from college? looking at job prospects, we are optimistic. 38 straight months of job creation. -- 500,000 jobs are manufacturing jobs. we have turned the corner. our work is not done when it comes to economic recovery. we are well on our way and there is much reason for people to be optimistic. we see of our graduating class in 2014 in the next couple of years. host: we are talking with

dominique gelin from the college democrats of america. we are talking about things that are affecting and attracting the interest of democratic voters across the country. if you would like to be involved in the compensation, the numbers are still the same. 202-585-3881 for republicans. 202-585-3880 for democrats. independents can call 202-585- 3882. folks of all political leanings, if you are under the age of 26, we have a special line for you this morning. 202-585-3883. our first call comes from ryan. he is 26 years old and an independent living in new york. ."u are on "washington journal caller: i wanted to comment on president obama's appointment of jack lew as treasury secretary.

previous to that job, he worked got paid are he larger salary than the president givehe university to students larger and larger debt burdens. he is the last person you would expect to do anything good on the student debt issue. the overall friendliness of the democrats with the financial lobby does not give me a lot of hope on that issue. your dominique gelin, thoughts about the present choosing jack lew to take over at treasury. toest: our commitment reducing student loans is unwavering. lew talk about jack

mickey more than the president, that is ongoing. nyumaking more than the president, that is ongoing. we do not want students to be starting behind the starting line. that is something we are committed to across the board. it is something that allow us to succeed last year. people should call their congressman and call their senators and let them know that this is something that is important to you. make your voice is heard. you called into the show, i encourage you to call your congressman and make sure they know that this reform is something unique. that would just make this process a lot more meaningful and a lot more impact so and effective. austin,xt up is matt in texas. go ahead.

caller: i want to get through to alex smith about republicans and the demographics. looking at the messaging and all of the research they are doing, i feel like it is more of a fringe element rather than substance. until they choose the policies in their messaging, it will not have a bit that. a lot like to know how she sees the 2014 and 2016 elections and how they are prepared to respond to a changing republican party and more dynamic candidates. admittedly, i am not a republican political strategist. the report as at well. it was not a tremendous surprise to us that chairman reince priebus said it was great.

it does not defer from the gop's growth and opportunity projects. the challenge republicans will face in 2014 and 2016 is that the words on the page are just that. when you look at their stance on student loan reform and issues that mattered to young americans, it does not line up. while the report is comprehensive and takes a look at a number of issues, it is republicans -- if republicans in congress does not -- do not step up to the plate and keep the box is relevant -- you were talking about a substantive policy change. to that end, i would agree with you. host: he also talked about the upcoming election in 2014. how are you going to get young people to turn out for the off-

year elections in 2014 that you get for the presidential elections in 2012 and 2016? guest: even in 2014 there is a lot to work toward. we have a lot of governor's races and state races that will be a vital to our young democrats. when you take a look at what our students are doing on campuses, you will notice they are already getting ready. there are registration drives. next month, we are going to be doing an effort for ed markey, for example. people are still hungry for political activism. 2014 will be an excellent opportunity to harness that energy, to channel it into the electoral process. we are not waiting for 2014. we have already started. engaging young voters is not something we only do during an election. it is something that will prove

to be successful. of college democratic chapters are already working with other student organizations and with our communities. it is something that will go miles and miles. is theominique gelin political affairs director of the college democrats of america. is talking to us about issues that are important to young democrats, including job prospects for young graduates, and job prospects. if you want to get in touch with us, we have the numbers up there. roger is calling. go ahead, roger. stay on track. to bemocrats are trying

there for hillary or anyone else on the democratic ticket. you can look at the republicans and see exactly what they are doing. this will not be any kind of call. he called the good work you are doing. thank you. host: next up is michael in national, tennessee. he is 23 years old and a republican. michael, you are on the "washington journal." caller: i want to comment on the lady before, actually. i am was in iraq. host: we have lost michael. we will move on to david in taxes on our line for republicans. ourhead, -- in texas on line for republicans. go ahead, david. caller: on the student loan issue, everyone does not have a right to a student loan.

an of the students have educational system. the cost of going to college has gone up at a higher rate than the cost of health care. i might have that reversed, but there are unbelievable levels of increase. the young lady with $100,000 in debt. she is a librarian. the numbers just do not work. in one of thea, first debates when they were talking about illegal immigration and about driver's sked if hehe was as thought making it easier for people to get driver's licenses and bringing in people in terms of illegal immigration was going to have a negative effect on black unemployment, which is much higher than white

unemployment. minority people are more directly in immigrant folks competitionectly in for the same jobs. that is unfortunate, but that is just with the numbers are. i sympathize and would like to see student loan rates kept down. my recollection of the affordable care act is that the democrats moved numbers all over the map to get this thing passed and to make it with the government became -- they squeezed all of the private concerns out of making loans. the government made billions of dollars on those loans. texas, i will

leave it there. dominique gelin. guest: there was certainly a lot there. i will begin with the caller's statement that not everyone has a right to student loans. what we are talking about is equal access to education. that is not something we are going to waiver on. not even as the college democrats, but just as students. that is what we are talking about when we are talking about student loans. he brought up the affordable care act -- first you brought up unemployment among minority communities. i will address that first. one thing that i would like to say is when we are looking at the unemployment numbers and looking at the future of this country and how we can move forward together as a whole and

not just as white americans or people of color, just making sure we have a well-rounded recovery, how can we have that conversation if education is not a part of it. please do not interrupt. we know that education is the door that allows so many people to have access to highly skilled jobs, the potential to open up the avenues and the quality of folks with the they are black or white or hispanic or native american. i would like as not to avoid the issue because they are so closely intertwined. i believe you also brought up the affordable care act. that is just another scenario where we have to look out for one another. you brought up immigration.

that was really a loaded question, now that i am thinking about it. the issue of immigration and making sure that even immigrants among us have access to education. i will tell you that personally that is, family came to the united states. because of our strong educational system. if we want to keep top talent in our country, we have to make it easier for folks to can that education. i hope i addressed a couple of the points you brought up. host: according to the bureau of labor statistics and the jobs numbers released yesterday, the unemployment rate for whites was at 22% for the ages between 16- 19. was 42.6%. it i wanted to find out if you thought young democrats might have a voice or have some sort of part in changing those

numbers. guest: absolutely. we are not done with our economic recovery. i mentioned earlier that we are turning a corner. we are making progress. straight months of job growth is fantastic. it should be followed by 39 straight months and then a 40th. that can only be done in our friends across the aisle can work with us and push the policies that will benefit everybody. host: we are talking with dominique gelin, the political affairs director for the college democrats of america, and is a recent graduate of the university of central florida. she says her first taste of political activism came in the fall of 2008, when working to help elect then-senator obama. since then, her work has focused on campus organizing four races at the national and state and local levels.

-- for races at the state, local, and national levels. caller: good morning. i am and uaw member from upstate new york. robb, you are my favorite host of the washington journal. i would like to ask the young lady a question on the workplace. we spend a third of our time in the workplace. do the college democrats of america focus on any workplace issues like the paycheck equality measure or joining a union. i will hang up and take the answer. democratscourse, always stand behind labor. it is an issue we are passionate about and that is why we support things like education.

that once make sure folks are done in school, they are able to into the workforce -- they are able to enter a firm workforce. that is why we support our unions. we have been pretty consistent with that. host: next up is marsha, also on our line for democrats. go ahead, marsha. caller: thank you for taking my call. i just have a comment. the previous caller made a comment that so many of the new young voters are white. her next statement was that we have to be careful how we talk to them. that is a condescending thing. it could be said, that we need to be careful what we explain to these young voters, which is more inclusive. to me, this is a reflection of the republicans' views. i hope democrats choose their

words wisely because that one simple statement simplepiqued ed up to met piqu and may be grateful i am a democrat. i will listen to your comment off of the air. guest: the democratic party strive to be one of inclusion. we passed resolutions to make non-we have a nine- -- discrimination policy. who are the democrats on our campuses? you will find more people of color in our groups and you will among college republicans. i do not think that should be a reason to alienate everyone. i would like to think we are an inclusive group and our differences are the thing that we celebrate and something we use as a source of strength. host: there has been a lot of

discussion this morning regarding student loans. this week's republican radio address comes from messer whoive luke spoke of preventing student loan interest rate hikes. they are set to double. we will hear what he has to stay about student loans and then get every cent -- get a response from our guests, dominique gelin -- guest, dominique gelin. [video clip] >> 1 nonpartisan education experts said the two proposals are really on the same page. unfortunately, rather than seiz e this common ground and move the ball forward, the present resort to campaign-style tactics -- stepped out into the rose garden and attacked the proposal, which was similar to

what he offered just weeks ago. his maneuvers are another example of the arrogance of power that has powerroot in taken root in this administration. making matters worse, democratic leaders in the senate tried to take the easy way out and maintain the status quo, which will only hurt students in the long run. after the usual noises and pass in they fail to the legislation that will help student borrowers. our young people deserve better. effective unemployment rate among young people in this country today is 16%. that is way too hi. too many young people had to come home -- that is way too high. too many young people have had to come home from school and tell their parents they cannot

find a job. our plan for economic growth and jobs will make life work for families and expand opportunities for every american. -- the fact of the matter is, it is on several fronts. nixes the pay-as-you-go program. that is not included in the house bill. the other pieces that are wesing is the idea that don't have a safeguard anymore in the republican house bill. it is based on -- likely to

fluctuate, whereas the democratic bill is study. two .7%.stay at while the republicans have attempted to address the issue, the effect of the matter is, it putinates the safeguards in place under president obama 's plan. it falls short and that is not something we can afford as young people. it is not something we can afford in this economy. is something that can be solved in time before july 1, which is when loan rates are subject to double. howhe gop does not realize inadequate the bill is, that is a $1000 tax hike their enabling. host: are you satisfied with the democrat effort to keep student

loan rates low? guest: i think it is a strong bill. it is the effort we did last year. we were successful. it is something we should repeat. it seems like a no-brainer. it seems like it would be a commonsense way to ensure prosperity and it is not happening across the aisle for whatever reason. host: next is telefonica, on our line for democrats. california. i am a republican calling in on the republican line. the morning to you -- good morning to you. where does it say in the constitution that we taxpayers need to pay for people's choices when they go to college and incurred debt on subject matters that does not guarantee them a job?

where therecompany is a shaky hand and i got a job -- ing for my education worked my way through school. his non-unionized teachers teaching is the values and what you need to do. our company is like the little un. it has all nationalities. why do i need to pay for your taxes? please explain where in the constitution it says i need to subsidize your education when you in court -- anchored your debts and you went to unionized where they are teaching you there is no god. .ell me what it is today host: we will leave it there. guest: there was a lot there. hisess i will first address

issue of why should we subsidize , wasnt loans, i believe the question. again, it goes back to we have to support one another and we are in this together. what i will say is that we want to offer people choices. while it is great that our collar went to a catholic does diversity -- university, not all of us had that. i went to a public school, which i am very proud of. therect of the matter is, are fewer options for people who are unable to make that leap. we have students who work their way through school. the fact remains that we have to have a way to be more accessible

for every young american. the student loan reform is that option. that is something that we are excited about and we hope everyone can get behind. i don't think it has to do with climate change or religion. i think it just comes down to making sure that everybody has a fair shot. host: we have a tweet here from bill who writes -- i want to shift focus just a second to talk about outreach and how would you go about recruiting to get involved with the college democrats of america? guest: that is something that would be very excited to talk about. we have chapters across the country from florida to california to washington dc and michigan. the great thing is, democrats

have a strong message, i think. it is not just a message but just stronger policies that students can get online, regardless of what state they are in. we do have campus by campus outreach. we have women's colleges, religious institutions, public universities, small schools, across-the-board students who support our efforts. what is great about what they're weng is that on campuses, are present and we are excited about being present. when you get to your prep -- , the work that you do find the college democrats chapter. we haveest thing that to offer is the idea that we are a resource for students on the ground, that we can help you get in touch with your local

party, help you learn about issues and just help you motivate your peers and classmates. we have members who do voter registration drives, knock on doors, host forums. it is whatever works for your campus and whatever works for your chapter. it is something that we are excited to empower. if starting a college democrat chapter isn't in your uncertain about, i encourage you to come to our convention, which will be the first weekend in austin -- august in washington, d c, this year. you get to see what our judges are up to and meet people from other states and other campuses and see what works best. how do they work with local parties and local campaigns? that conversation is one that can be had on the national

scale. and ione that can be had like to think that we are very accessible and capable. as people are looking to get involved, you don't have to wait until 2014 or 2016. you can start on monday. seek out the chapter and seek out someone who would be able to be a chapter advisor. get started because it is a lot of fun. i think that one of the best things about being a college democrat is the idea that you can be productive. with leadership and public service in your community and have a good time with it. be lifelong.s will the outreach is centered on that premise. the idea of being productive and active and having a lot of

positive impact on your community and your campus. host: what connection is there between college democrats of america and the dnc? guest: a strong one. it is a strong connection. they are helping us with our convention. we will send a couple of students to massachusetts. may have been completely instrumental in the work that we do. >> we have a tweet who wants to know -- guest: honestly, i don't think so. i think they tried with the house bill, but i don't think -- i think when it comes to the policies that people want to see when it comes to the rhetoric that people want to hear, democrats have a stronger

message and that is backed by action. we have seen on the other side .here are reports flying around end of the day, if it is not backed by policies that can directly impact and help young voters, i think we will going -- see a lot of what we are seeing. host: our next caller comes from california. caller: good morning. i have a comment and question. , when i first went -- that makes1972 me old -- it was offering. -- free. since ronald reagan came in

office, and he got rid of all thatree colleges, and is a shame. i wish we could not charge young people to get an education. my question is, with all the voters, do you think it is a good idea to start getting and getting everybody out there to get an id? a lot of people are not going to be able to vote in 2014, and it is -- i think everybody should take the responsibility and get out there for whatever party or for. .ost: dominique gelin we have seen a lot of voter laws this past legislative

session. i am from florida, we have had a pretty eventful ride when it came to what restriction -- voter registration. we encourage everybody he was able to get an id -- we would also encourage everybody, once you do have your id, make sure you are favoring someone who will keep the process open and accessible. accessibility is key. we have seen the gop has put forth a nationwide effort to suppress women voters, people of color. hims do they want to vote him i think, should be the issue. we have some of that process as painful as possible best amos as possible -- as painless as possible. we need to register students

where they are and looking at a loss on a state-by-state basis to make sure that we are in compliance and making sure we are getting students. a tweet -- guest: i hate for people to think that it is one or the other that you can either support people of color or you can support immigrants. it is not the case. all dodo better when we better. part of that is just we have to make sure we are not having one group excel at the expense of another. that is not what we are -- what our deferred action plan does. we make it accessible for everyone and in no way takes away from what people who are born in the u.s. are able to do. host: our next call is from new

york on our line for democrats. caller: good morning and good luck to you, dominique gelin. i want to make a few comments. i believe that education and medical help is a must. i think it should be free in america. there are some countries that they do have it for he -- free. cuba gives tuition to its people. this is supposed to be one of the richest countries in the world and we are nickel and , particularlyple our students to death and put them in so much debt, when they graduate from school. free education, there could be some give back some way that we could have written up that you could volunteer your time after you graduate from school. for instance, for a year or two years to help educate other

people or some kind of way that could be figured out. the republicans want to get rid of food stamps, union health care, give tax breaks to the wealthy and nothing to the poor. how could you vote for a person who does not want to help the poor? host: we will leave it there because we're running out of time. ,ou get the last word in dominique gelin. guest: we are not necessarily talking about giving anything away. we are talking about accessibility and making sure that the idea of getting a higher education is not far- fetched for anybody. that is why we support what we have right now. we don't want to double our rates by july first. we want to make sure we are addressing it in a responsible way. that will allow them to

contribute to the american economy that will allow them to get a house, buy a car. these things we're not doing in in large part because of burdens we carry. it comes down to accessibility and making sure that everyone has a fair shot and we are excited about and that is what we are working towards. that is why we are so excited and enthused. host: we have been talking with dominique gelin. if you want to find out more about the organization, you can find it on their website, collegedems.com. thanks for being on the washington journal. guest: thank you for having me. rory coming up, o'sullivan. you're watching "washington journal" and we will be right back. ♪ , he saidmous passage

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>> "washington journal" continues. is with a o'sullivan group called the young invincible's. welcome to the program. who are the young invincible's? guest: we are a youth organization and we want to expand economic opportunity across the country. work with young adults. host: where did the name come from? guest: it started with healthcare. there is a myth that young people don't want healthcare. is a pushback on that term. we carry that banner to get the message out to members of congress. host: in today's business section of the new york times, they have the headline, hiring

rises but pays remains sluggish. your thoughts on the jobs numbers that came out yesterday. do you agree or disagree with the pace of hiring? guest: the news is different for young americans. even though we added jobs, youth unemployment grows. in this case, we focus on the youngest young adults, ages 16- 24. that is where we see a lot of challenges. , that is about twice the national average. one of the challenges is that number of unemployment underestimates the true nature of the problem. unemployment has been so high for so long for young people that many of them have been discouraged and are outside labor force entirely. we see a situation where less than half of young people actually have any kind of job at all.

that has long-term gaza question for the country. how do you define the true nature of the problem? guest: to qualify as unemployed, you have to have looked for work very recently him in the last week or two. there are a lot of young people who are discouraged workers and they are not counted in the survey. one way to evaluate the problem is to look at a proportion of young people with jobs compared to the whole population of young people. that proportion is less than half. we saw it hit lowest levels ever recorded and it has not recovered that much since then. host: the unemployment went by age. 16-19-year-olds, their unemployment rate was 24.5%. aren't they in high school?

how did the unemployment number actually break down? guest: it is true that most are in high school, but getting there early work experience early on in a young person's career can have long-lasting impacts. some of it is self confidence, knowing how to help carry yourself in the workplace for our generation, we have missed out on the opportunity. 1990s,came of age in the when the economy was roaring, there were jobs, thick about those first couple of jobs you had in your career and how much that helped you get a foothold in the labor market. for our generation, those opportunities have been wiped out. that can have long-term consequence is for our employment down the road. host: we are talking with rory o'sullivan, a policy director with the young invincible's. an overview of the unemployment

in america, specifically for people ages 18-29. we will also talk about the numbers that were released yesterday. if you want to get involved in the conversation, the numbers are -- host: we also have a special line for people ages 16-29. it was a call -- give us a call. you're special line is (202) 585-3883. an article from the huffington post -- expense was why youth

unemployment could be so costly. guest: there is research that looks at prior recessions and the generations who have graduated into a recession. the evidence is that those young people, because they missed out on those work experiences, they will have lower wages for over a decade or thereafter. that has a huge costs on the economy as a whole. host: we are talking with rory o'sullivan, research and policy director with the young invincible's. he graduated with a ba in philosophy, politics and economics and completed a joint jdmpp at georgetown university. what does that alphabet soup mean? guest: i spent a lot of time in school. .aster in public policy host: our first call comes in

from seattle, washington. our line for independents. caller: i wanted to ask the guest, if having people retire , if that would open up more jobs for young people. i will take the answer off the air. guest: great question and contrasting. -- thanks for asking. high unemployment rates have affected people of all ages. we are seeing senior americans retire earlier. the truth is, we are all in tough shape right now, including young people. host: next, betty in north carolina. she is on our line for democrats. go ahead. caller: good morning.

i am happy to see young people get involved when it comes to unemployment. i think that they have a chance of making a difference in this united states of america or wherever. it is not matter. if you look at the unemployed as far as blacks and caucasians are concerned, if we could get into the records, you would not be surprised to see that some of the blacks have just as much education or just as much experience as those that are hired. they're not just hired. that makes a big difference in the unemployment. if you look at television, if you look at hollywood, if you look at the white house, if you look at wall street, where ever you see these people, there are more caucasians than there are

blacks. they have just as much education. -- youad that you are all can make a change. i am an older person. i would love to see that happen. those things are not being equally distributed, these jobs. host: betty in north carolina. she alluded to some numbers up there got from the bureau of labour statistics regarding unemployment rates for people ages 16-19 by race. in may, there was a 22% unemployment rate for white young people, but for black young people, the rate jumps up to 42.6%. , how will this get turned around? there are a lot of different solutions and we have to focus on getting education and training to young people. across the country. those solutions can be different based on different populations.

we are saying that there are 6.7 million young people ages 16-24 that are out of work. that this on a point impact different operations differently. , these aretionally young people of color. to get this publisher reconnected and getting back to work our job training programs. this is a program that puts it on people to work serving their community, building affordable housing. it is them real skills and education. at the same time, they are working towards their ged so they can pursue education and earn a higher wage. unfortunately, we have cut a lot of money from these programs. we arethe things that supportive of is making sure that we maintain investments in his programs and are

reconnecting the most this advantage to youth to work and school. >> our next call comes from randy in missouri on our line for democrats. go ahead. caller: hi host up i would like to make a comment. everybody keeps saying we'd to create jobs in this country. the problem is not creating jobs. jobproblem is every time a gets created, it gets outsourced. i understand these companies want to make money, but it is just -- it is all about making profits and the bottom line. something needs to happen to get these companies to quit outsourcing. host: -- guest: a thing you hit on was the importance of creating jobs. our generation brings a powerful entrepreneurial spirit.

it is clear young people are excited about starting businesses than any other generation out there right now. that is something that we think we can work with and make it easier for young people to start businesses so they create jobs here in the united states and helping to put everyone back to work. , our huntsville, alabama line for republicans. go ahead. caller: what i want to bring up is the issue of people that have been unemployed for a while they go back to school to get retrained and getting saddled with student loan debt. thedo you feel about student loan forgiveness program and how it could possibly help the economy or hurt the economy? guest: that is an excellent point and i'm glad you brought that up. the one main problem with the student loan forgiveness program is that no one knows

about it. right now, if you take out federal loans to get a college education, you can be assured of being able to pay back your loan based on what you can afford which is a great opportunity, particularly in tough economic times like we are seeing now. young people, it may take them longer to get started in the workforce. unfortunately, we don't have enough people that have taken advantage of this program. we need to do more outreach where people can pay back based on their income and they can get forgiveness after a certain amount of time. host: more than 40% of college students in the last two years are working in jobs that don't require a degree. how would the young invincible 's go about talking to young people who are thinking about going to school and what they're doing to choose their occupations and may end up getting into these high loan

situations to begin with? guest: a great question. there are two parts to that. one is to right now now that there are a lot of young people are working in jobs that are not related to their degrees. it is reduced opportunity for young people. one of our run, challenges is that the data we collect underestimates the connection between the degrees people have and the work they do. definition typical of a particular job does not require a degree, a typical person with a four-year degree makes 80% more than someone with a high school degree. it is still viable to go to college and for many people it still pays off. it is about making the right personal choice and the future to into the right program that works for you. host: what kind of job where you

looking to get when you came out of a college with a ba in philosophy? guest: what i do right now, which is interested in issues of social justice and public policy, and particular, focus on youth. he isas we mentioned, the research and policy director where he oversees the organization policy and advocacy work. our next call comes from new jersey, independent line. are you there? caller: i have two things. i have a couple of things you might be interested in looking at. thee a correlation between skyrocketing cost of college tuition and the government loan guarantees giving colleges heart blanche. carte

youngher one is employment -- i find through my thought that's raising the minimum wage to higher and higher levels only brings the was never meant to support a family but by raising the minimum wage, i personally think you will see less and less unemployment and you will see older people filling these jobs. to be honest, would you hire an inexperienced kid in a high price or would you rather have experienced older person who is of learning and experience to do the same job? that is my thought. host: thanks for your thoughts. guest: you bring up a great point.

young we reconnect people to the workforce in a way that will reduce youth unemployment rates? looking at other countries abroad that have lower unemployment rates than we do, one thing we see is the prevalence of apprenticeship. this is on the child -- on-the- job training. many associate this with construction trades but you can do this in any field. we like to expand the number of apprenticeships for young people so that they are right out of school, high school, learning on the job, real skills that can pay off in the long run. employers love these things. nine everton recommend them to other people -- nine out of 10 recommend them. these pay off well. that is one thing we think we can help reduce youth

unemployment rates and focusing on education and training. host: a tweet -- host: our next call comes from savanna, georgia. caller: thanks for taking my call. one thing that has happened during the recession was the beating on financial institutions, the occupy wall street group and things like that. hiredokerage firms college graduates. since they have been depressed with earnings, -- we used to higher 10-15 college graduates a year and we are a medium-sized bank. we would then probably only have

about 20 or 30% stay with us. warehouse ofge people who now are not being hired. the other points i have, the woman from north carolina -- the fact is, the graduation is about 30%school versus 85% in suburban areas. that is causing unemployment among blacks probably as much as anything. guest: to go to the first point in particular, i think you're right that the great recession affected different populations of young people in different ways. there are industries that tragically were hit really hard. financial services is one of them. another thing to keep in mind

from the perspective of young americans is that not everyone has a college degree. the way this problem affects our generation depends on their level of skill. only one third of young adults right now ages 25-30 forced into the labor force with a four-year degree in. they are in tougher shape and have a much harder time getting a job is because the demand for skills and education is more in our economy than it was just a few decades ago. host: next, jim in savannah, georgia. caller: i agree with that but the other thing -- the bank i was with, we had internships for high school kids. and came into our program all different training was given to them. i am sure those programs have

gone away. it is not only the college graduates that have been hit, but also the high school graduates. guest: absolutely. the lack of internships is exactly right, jim. youngf quality for people just because there are so many young people out there looking for any kind of foothold in the labor market. there are tons of unpaid internships. it is harder for us to jump off into a successful career. that is why one of the big ideas we have had is a program we called career internships. it would be a public-private partnership across the population. high school students could work twopeople, studying for a or four-year degree and make sure they're getting a quality experience with internships internships and making sure that employers are getting what they need of young people. we think it would be a win-win situation because young people would get the experience that we

need to be successful. it is -- businesses who take part hire interns that they want. this could lead to a more skilled workforce. host: we are talking with rory o'sullivan. youth unemployment in america. the budget cuts are affecting job-training programs. is this having an impact on youth unemployment as well? guest: yes. we did an analysis over the last decade. employment rates were falling for young people and never recovered from the dot com bust. we wanted to take a look at what have you been doing in response to this growing problem? we have been going in the wrong direction, we cut one dollars from jobs training programs from

a targeted at school and youth of the last decade. from our perspective, that is not make sense. -- does not make sense. we need to put in new ideas like internships that could jumpstart our generation and get them back on track. -- that youob it have with young invincible's, is of a paid job? guest: yes. the money comes from foundations that have an interest in expanding research. we started out all volunteer from our school cafeteria for a year before we were able to put this organization together full- time. a lot of hard work went into it as well. host: if you are looking for more information, their website younginvincibles.org.

steve in arizona. forer: i have a question mr. sullivan. i am wondering -- it seems to that the 1950s generation, that was the union generation. -- gonebs have been away. is working for less money. i think the real problem is 1990s generation is working more competitive for less money. that is what these young people really face. the push down wages. i think that is their real struggle. i was wondering what rory o'sullivan thinks about that. point.that is a key

the rules of the game had to change for our generation. several years ago, you could get high school diploma, and get a union job and on-the-job training and have a career long term that could support a family. that is not the case anymore. a young man coming of age today who graduates with a high school diploma makes $.75 on the dollar that his dad made 30 years ago, graduating in 1980. it is a huge drop-off in income and wages for less skilled workers. to system has not adapted get young people up to the skill they need coming right out of school. rung is higher than it used to being on the latter -- ladder. the unemployment rate for 54 2013 was 7.6% and with

straight months of unemployment, you look at where it was a year ago, 8.2%, it is down a little bit more than half a percent. does this show promise for young people? guest: it is getting a little bit better. when you look at young people under the age of 30, we have seen a job off and unemployment from a little over 12% last year down to 11.6% now. it is rocky progress. i said this last month was on youth unemployment go up under the age of 30. the youngest demographic is that 16.3%. a little bit of growth here and there but we still have a very long way to go. tom, our line for independents. thanks for waiting. caller: good morning. and in't listened to this

have looked at outsourcing of jobs. on c-span, it is 99-1, it everybody approves of this outsourcing of jobs. we had to compete with people that make $37 a month, which to -- corporations are employing slaves. we can't compete with that kind of stuff. i don't care if corporations come back. assume bankrupt myself. it is disgusting what is happened to this country. not everybody has the intelligence or the means to go get a college education. , but it is capitalism thanks for taking my call. guest: thanks for calling. i think you hit on a couple of points. we have been talking throughout this discussion of how the

economy has changed. part is globalization and the demand for more competitive workforce here at home. the other thing you are instantly write about is you don't need a four-year degree will stop there are a lot of great opportunities that can make a decent wage, support a family that you don't have to get a four-year degree four. that is a big reason we are supportive of a partnership programs -- apprenticeship programs. many will get you the equivalent of a two-year community college diploma and sometimes you don't need that. because you are learning on-the- job, it it could be something like shipbuilding that requires real skill. we have seen innovative programs. some people have unique talents that no one has and they end up doing well financially because of that. it works well for employers because employees can be

productive. of all to be aware pathways in a successful career. host: what is the get the facts tour? guest: we are highlighting some of these programs that help reconnect young people to training and education. we are going around the country and hosting events to raise awareness for programs that are working and to get the word out. we have cut $1 billion from some of these successful initiatives over the last year. at a minimum, we need to protect investments and the kinds of things that are reconnecting our generation to the workforce. host: alex from louisiana, our line for democrats. good morning. -- theeople want to work

republican party has a problem. a big problem, big problem. i wish you guys would look for -- thank you. we are committed to getting the word out about this problem and making sure that all of our representatives in washington, no matter what the the crisisderstand situation that we are in. youthe not seen a major unemployment piece of legislation or big idea or policy that would help gents -- jumpstart this generation. we need everyone working together. .ost: diane in spring, texas caller: good morning. glad to be able to speak with you. i think you are doing a terrific

job. it sounds like it. i just wanted to mention -- back in the late 1950s and early 1960s, which as far back as i can remember, jobs or not all that easy to get and they were one dollar an hour. gettinge talking about rid of social security back then. saying it was going broke because congress had dipped into it like it was a piggy bank and they never did pay it back. that is what we are in the mess we're in now with it. this discussion has gone on for years and years. the problem is, they are getting the old people against the young people and vice versa. one of the big with thei think

goings-on in congress is the fact that they have too many lobbyists. they should be against the law. host: we will leave it there. guest: i think you make a great point, in that we definitely don't want to make this an battle by any means. young americans, older americans, all of our interests are tied up together. we have worked with a lot of organizations and partnered with organizations, with aarp, we understand we need this generation to be successful. when we are working and have some muscle careers, we can pay taxes and be able to things little security -- social security that we need to for our seniors. we are in this together, and it is important to remember that. the bureau of labour statistics, numbers released yesterday, the unemployment rate for ages 20-24 by gender breaks

down this way. men were unemployed at 15% and women at 11.8%. why the difference? guest: that is a great question. the great recession had different impacts, as were talking about before on different industries. it turns out that ones that were male-rd were often dominated industries. things like construction work it's pretty hard. there were fewer jobs. the other thing to keep in mind, there is the background growth in the economy, things like education or health services that are often -- have more women in the field than men. we are seeing growth in fields where there are more women and we saw recently a big drop in the fields where there are mormon. that is why we think we see

higher unemployment rates for men than young women. host: lancaster, california. caller: good morning. i am extremely pleased to see someone targeting this area. i have two comments. oryou are trying to educate get a ged for people who are in the workforce who have not gotten their diploma amah i would say it is a little too late for them. you need to target junior high school kids where peer pressure is not to do well in high school or junior high. if you can change the attitude towards learning, that is the key. the other thing is that if you're going to really want to wait -- raise the minimum wage, advocate for a tax-free minimum wage. if you do that, there will be more money to spend -- to spend for the people.

guest: you make a great point. we don't want to wait until we have a problem later on. we need to get them in middle school and high school so they don't drop out of school. that is exactly right. we also had 6.7 million nine -- youngo are not people who don't have a high school diploma. we also want to be able to reconnect those young people because it is going to benefit them personally who don't have access to opportunities. it is not good for our economy in the long run to have such a large portion of our committee of work for so long. a frequent tweeter sends this question -- guest: there are people who are

young at heart. host: our next call comes from florida, independent line. go ahead. caller: good morning. am in approval for the apprenticeship program. the young man is on the right track because it young people need this. and if you go to college apply for a job, no experience. this will give them experience. some kind of thing to take care of their issues. .t will help a great deal young people will get experience and some people can

continue in that same sector. guest: a fantastic point and i appreciate the support. you are right. getting that first diploma can get you experience and is going to help you down the road and will look good on a resume for a future employer. often, it will benefit employers who are getting out internships. -- excuse of interns me, interns that in turn in college for an employer are eventually hired on. employers get to know employees and get to see who is a good fit and everybody wins. big supporters of expanding opportunities for apprenticeships and internships across the country. , our line is new york for independents. how youi was wondering

would think the healthcare reform is going going to affect ages 18-24? a lot of those jobs are lower wage. you see an increasing amount of retirees for taking these jobs to the -- to make ends meet. how do you think the health reform -- host: we will leave it there because we are running out of time. guest: some provisions that will come into effect will be helpful for our generation. our young people making under $15,000 a year to be able to get health care for free through medicaid or get tax credits if you make less than $45,000 a year. most young people fall within that age bracket. we will get assistance to be able to afford health care benefits.

that will be huge for our generation. 20 million of us don't have health insurance and a lot of these changes we talked about in the economy over the last several decades about lower wages and lower benefits have hit our generation hard. we think over the next year it is going to be a huge benefit for our generation to be able to take it vantage of the new healthcare option. host: we have been talking with rory o'sullivan. if you want to get more information regarding the organization, you can find on their website, younginvincibles.org. we want to tell you about what is coming up on tomorrow's edition of "washington journal" and we begin with james bamford. he will talk with us about the history of public surveillance programs and relations acknowledging the existence of ongoing foreign intelligence surveillance programs.

later, we will be joined by maria kumar and mona charen. they will talk about their research reports on breadwinner moms. we will wrap up the program yacoubian talking without the current conflict in syria. i want to thank everybody for watching this edition of "washington journal" and we will see again tomorrow morning at 7 a.m. eastern time. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] ♪ today on c-span, conservative

groups testify at problems -- about problems with the irs. part of the national defense authorization markup from the .ouse services committee john kerry was because years american jewish committee global forum. >> i realized the pursuit of peace is not as dramatic as the pursuit of war and frequently , butords fall on deaf ears some say that it is useless to speak of peace or world disarmament and that it would be useless onto the leaders of the -- at union adopt a more better attitude. i believe we can helphem do

that. we must examine our own attitudes as individuals and a nation. our attitude is as essential as bears. as a graduate of the school, every thoughtful citizen who despairs of war and wishes to bring these should begin by looking inward >> tom brokaw nick clooney we slept on the nixon presidency and his peace speech on c-span 3. groups testified on capitol hill on tuesday about problems they experienced while applying to the irs for tax exempt status. organizations testifying included the national position ssan fernandothe