member of congress. "washington journal" live at 7:00 eastern with segments on data collection programs and how washington investigates itself. the house of representatives is back in session for general speeches at noon, eastern, with legislative business at 2:00 p.m. on the next "washington journal," we will focus on immigration and tax policy, our guest is the former head of the congressional budget office. the federation of american scientists will take your question about data collection programs that use electronic surveillance of phone calls and the internet and will be joined by a reporter with the associated press to discuss the recent article about how washington investigates itself. she will look at the relative power of the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government. "washington journal" is live on seized on every day at 7:00

eastern. -- is live on c-span every day is 7:00 eastern. the senate appropriations subcommittee on defense this morning, we will hear from chuck hegel and general martin dempsey. our live coverage of this hearing on the 2014 budget request as and cspan 3 at 10:00 eastern. >> the name of this place still resonates with the shuddering in a rigid with the shuddering in the hearts of the american people. more than any other name connected to the civil war instead of lincoln, gettysburg reverberates and americans retain the knowledge that what happened here was the crux of our terrible national trial and even americans who are not sure precisely what transpired on these fields of know that all the glory and all the tragedy we associate with the civil war presides most probably, most indelibly here. >> 150th anniversary of the

battle of gettysburg live all day sunday, june 30, on american history tv on c-span 3. >> last friday, john dingell became the longest serving member of congress. he is 50 -- his 57-year career started in 1955. he succeeded his father to represent michigan's 12th district. he spoke with steve clemens. due to technical problems, our coverage is less than one hour. >> good morning. >> good morning. [laughter] >> [laughter] >> we are about to have one of

the most extraordinary moments. that anyone could possibly have listening to john dingell. everybody in this room knows about him. i will not give you a long introduction. i will say a couple of words. for anybody who loves and is passionate about politics, loves the game of politics and making policy, you cannot help but admire, respect, and indeed even love, not all the time i am sure. the chairman. he has been center stage since 1955. his father was here starting in 1932. the word dingell is synonymous with getting things done in washington. there was a time when we got things done in washington. there's hardly a piece of legislation in the area of health or energy or environment

or security or telecommunications and others that john dingell did not have his fingerprints on. long time. just to give a quick perspective, he's the only member here in the 1950's. is that right? that one of two members was in the house in the 1960's. he was born before president obama was in the house. [laughter] before president obama was born. we have some perspective here. what we are doing today is steve, the editor of "the atlantic," is going to have a conversation with john. we want to welcome and give a tribute to debbie dingell.

[applause] let me quote from john and i will turn it over to steve. having a very tough race in 2004, one of the few tough races john ever had, he said, "i had the curious view that i have to be judged on what i stand for, what i have done, my ability and effectiveness --" excuse me for being in your way. >> don't you worry. >> "my record and my personal integrity." he also said, "i keep on going."

john, thank you very much. [applause] >> i wanted to say a special hello to those watching live on c-span. we have live coverage. i love the c-span guys. there are many distinguished people in this room. a special shout out to john. i am happy to say hello to all of you. i want to highlight elizabeth who is president of atlantic live. -- live. i do not see her. she is working hard. it is such a pleasure to have you here. when i talked to your staff and your wife, we talked about various states. onbe not to doing this friday when it is scheduled to rain.

maybe we should do this next week,i said, no. june 7 is the day, 57 years ago surpasses the late robert byrd's record. hehe was here, i wonder what would say about you surpassing him. my first question, are you ready to put another 10 years on this? [applause] >> i am going to stay as long as i can do a good job. if my people want me to. i do not want to stay here when people are sorry for me and when i cannot do the job or when somebody else i think can do a better job job. we talked about this earlier in january. we had a discussion. >> i want to give our audience a

quick snapshot of the legislation you have drafted and authored to remind people of what the world looked like when congress did things. john dingell wrote the endangered species act, clean air act, affordable care act, children's insurance program, the patients' bill of rights, food safety modernization act, it goes on and on. it is an unbelievable record when you look at legislation attached to somebody's name. i worked in the senate and knew quite a number of senators in that chamber. when you look across history, would you look across history, this is like -- when you look across history, this is like ted kennedy. inyou think it is possible today's political climate to have the kind of successful passage of legislation?

are we deluding ourselves? >> no. each congress is unique. it depends on the challenges and the concerns of the people are. the congress has a leadership responsibility. but also it is reactive. this is perhaps the most -- it snarled up congress i have ever had this congress. having said these things, we have had difficulty coming to an agreement on budget. [laughter] there is a real fault here.

it is in good part that congress thought. -- the congress's fault. it is in good part the fault of the people. they tolerate this. they sent us down here to fight. it is divided. you see the result in washington. you see it on the hill. you see a tremendous amount of ill will that should not be here. and will and respect integrity should be the hallmark of the congress. we should be proud that we can and do work together, proud that we are a few of the people that have had the privilege of serving in congress. officials of people. the senators are not directly

relied -- a elected or were not in the beginning. we have a unique responsibility. i have to tell people, compromise and conciliation and cooperation --these are the words -- as we work together. we are the most fortunate of human beings. we hit the jackpot. when we were born. this is a wonderful place. it is the happiest, richest. not just in terms of opportunity. we are the oldest democracy. because we refuse as a legislative body for the people works. we are diminishing our ability to survive the challenges.

>> when you were elected in 1955, sam rayburn was speaker of the house, lyndon johnson was the majority leader in the senate. "the washington post" reminded us that rosa parks had just not given up her seat. over that period of time, what would you say legislatively your proudest moment was? the top moment or top two or three that mattered for you and the country in that period? >> in my view, and my wife, the single most important vote i cast was on the civil rights act of 1964. addressedrst time we the problem that each american should have full citizenship.

i was focused on this because i almost lost my job over this. there were riots and trouble. and all kinds of difficulties. the african-american people were patient and nonviolent. that was a vote that really solved a tremendous problem. i have had others. medicare was very importantthe affordable care act was something that my dad started out with roosevelt in 1935.

that it reached the first legislation for harry truman. but of course there was a lot of environmental legislation, a lot of other conservation legislation. i am really a lucky guy to be blessed with a superb staff. i've had the good fortune to have members of the house in my times to mentor me. people like rayburn and john mccormick. and of course, people like my dear friend john. moss. many of these names are not known.

i have had great people teach me the trade. >> were there times when you were disappointed in the house? what would be the memory that you found that congress did not side? >> there were good and a bad and sometimes at the same time. frustrateds very things. i was ashamed of the mccarthy time. or when the president would not lead -- i do not mean this president, he is doing a good job. i was troubled about the fact -- that government, in many cases,

which is why i was always a great practitioner because that is a very portent -- responsibility. see that law is faithfully carried out. >> who taught john dingell to send a dingell letter? members feared getting a dingell letter. did someone help you craft the first one or develop it into an art? >> i have had great friends. john moss was my greatest friend. he was great on this. i had a wonderful staff. and they had a sense not only social justice but things that were not right.

-- outrage. great friends,writing letters -- [laughter] the great words of the english languagethose three and for worse that -- asked questions -- those three and four words that asked questions, who, what, when, why. if you keep on saying these things,you can get a lot more when you ask questions rather than starting a nasty argument. but did not make any difference whether it was someone in government or in business or some rascal somewhere. some were citizens. they would receive these things and say this is something i need to take a look at. we could get more done by asking questions than trying to hit someone over the head.

that was our chosen tool. we got the information that we wanted. we used subpoenas and got the information. when i became chairman of the committee, i was scared because i thought this was a big job and i thought, dingell, you better do it right. i said, how am i going to do this job? he said, john, two things. first, you got to be fair. second, you have to appear fair. powerslways used our with restraint. weakdoes not mean we were but we just knew how to get these things done. i have a picture of joe mccarthy on the wall. i look at that and the reason he was there, i thought he was one of the biggest scoundrels in

society and he was the prime example of what not to do. we were fair in the things we did. the staff knew and understood this. they were superb investigators. they had this wonderful sense of social outrage and a chance to correct something that is bad or make something better, and we were very successful and we investigating. >> as a representive you've been dealing with presidents since eisenhower and nixon was his vice president. you knew all these guys back and probably, given the fact that your father held the seat for what 23 years or sore before you, you had encounters with them. can you tell us the presidents that you appreciated and had good relationships with and the presidents that you felt did not cut it.

withhad good relationships every president. important. it is an office that we have to view as people love before me and wiser used to say it is an office that should be treated with great reverence. it is a huge responsibility. i got to say each president, whether i liked them or not or was in the same party, did some great things. nixon was the guy i detested because of the nasty things he used to do. nixon'sou you look at presidency he was said he was a great bad man. churchill said he was like cromwell. it is a very interesting way to define it.

i'm not winston churchill, but eisenhower was a good president before him. -- he was chairman of the board. excitingjust an administration. they didn't stay around long enough to really be appreciated or reach the greatness i thought he could have gotten. was saving -- the same awful, crazy guy from vietnam. he should be recognized as a great president. he went out to create the new deal. or to complete the new deal but he did something else. he is the guy that began the leadership and brings to the end of the terrible civil rights we had. thingsid some wonderful and he did some bad.

they carter was one of finest people but regrettably he did not have the successes that we would have liked to see him have because he was so concentrated on detail he did not have time to concentrate on the bigger questions. he is probably the most underrated presidents. jerry ford was probably the most underrated guy served with. >> what a point of distinction. sam rayburn used to get really worked about this. he said>> [unintelligible] we are equally important and this is very important. clinton was a great guy who cared about people, he worked hard and he was smart as all get

out. he had em empathy. folks liked to be around him, even phones who said nasty things about him because he had this warmth and he cared. folks knew it. the two bushes were quite fine. to play paddle ball at the first. he's a great guy, never forgot his service in the house. i liked the first w. very much. it is just terrible mistakes. be good to him. donenk they have not enough of what i would like to see him do. himhe staff has not served as i would like to see them do. i've had the privilege of serving with some great presidents.

jimmy carter was probably the -- jerry ford was probably most underrated president we had. [unintelligible] that was regrettably not to be and humphrey had the same problem. they sent out to destroy him and they succeeded. if he had three days more, i think he would have been president. >> i am pleased to report those watching on c-span can follow twitter. the longest serving congressman in history is at twitter. if you went to look at the twitter account, which i did this morning. you saw the vice president biden stopped by yesterday and he gave you a gift. yet, you did not say in your tweet what he gave you and i've been wondering ever since.

[laughter] >> he gave me a wonderful wall clock. i'm a great admirer of joe biden. he has something of that my good friend has -- [unintelligible] -- my beloved friend john mccormack as, a big heart. these are pretty special folks. >> let me go to charlie cook. or is someone running mics around? no, i guess i am. [laughter] >> in honoring chairman dingell's longevity because that is easier to measure. but he's had a greater impact on war legislation than any member in congress in history. the story that may kids love hearing and more people can relate to, tell us about december 1941.

your role. >> i had a little bit to do with the history. -- the preservation of the history. remember on the 7, the japanese bombed pearl harbor and sank every battleship we had or damaged every battleship we had. we thought the united states could lose that war. i was a senior so i was given the responsibility of taking care of the media and he was a conservative newscaster. anwas up in the gallery with old-fashioned magnetic recorders. he was supposed to record. i was told see to it that he does not record more than the.

president's speech. i thought, you know, there's enough history that is important. discussion. the country was badly divided. it was badly divided over different matters but the interesting thing was when roosevelt finished his speech, which by the way, was a fabulous speech he left the podium. the house -- the senate left and the house proceeded to deal with his call for the declaration of war. the country being divided at all the america firsters and there were a lot of fellow travelers, and quite frankly, the germans. you had huge rallies in new

york. -- nazi rallies in her door. everybody was trying to get on -- the right side of history. -- they said we were all americans, too. there was one woman who voted against world war i and world war two. she was from montana. she served one term twice. her votes on this cost her job, as you might major. -- as you might imagine. they would not let her speak and it was interesting period that went on at this time about she would be heard. they finely let her speak on wednesday. the nazis and hitlerwar was not declared on the united states until that day. it was an interesting time. you can still hear some of that debate and you will hear this hiss that goes with the steel wiring recordings.

an unpoint thing but i was sitting up there and looking down. roosevelt was interesting. he didn't want to know that he was crippled by polio. -- he didn't want it known that he was crippled by polio. so he actually walked -- he had the floor to himself and he was of iron. he had these frames that held him. he would come on the arm of one of his sons, franklin or jimmy or a couple of secret service guys. theould actually walk in door there by where the podium is and in front of the reading clerk and stand in front of the vice president and give his speech. it was a terrible, terrible

stress to him. the people who walked in with him always said he had the most powerful grip they have ever seen. you can imagine the difficulty he had doing this. there's a lot of interesting stories we can tell about how he responded to this and how he did his job and how he -- knewtelligible] everyone how he was crippled by polio but they didn't know it because he didn't report it. he always let everyone knew he was in charge. >> interesting. >> i'm jeff trammell and mr. chairman, i have the privilege of working with two close friends of yours. howard pastor>> i lev them both. and paul rogers. >> as i was sitting here

thinking about your many great contributions to congress. i thought about the epic fight over the clean air act in the 1970's and the film that was made about that. hr 261 act of congress. ir those who haven't seen it recommend it. but it explains the art of governance and i thought you might take a moment to help us understand -- think of today when we're not governing very well. the process, as you touched on, a compromise and how legislation should come together despite competing interest in the house. question. congress is a human body. there was an observation like sausage or government --

don't watch either one. [unintelligible] when we finished the clean air they handled it and we passed the bill in 13 hours on the floor. they said mr. dingell what a it in 13 hours. topassed 420-10 or close that. that was a rough number. hours. i said yeah, it only took me 13 years to do it. [laughter] what was interesting was you saw the their rifts of government -- theirists of government and those who understand the fundamentals of government but they don't events of that the human activities that make laws come to be.

they tell us 6161 is actually a story of psychology and relevant thinking and attitudes way people interact with friends. and enemies inside the congress. le it shows actually how outside forces come into play. it is interesting. it shows government working as it should. it shows that the process of government can be and is an honorable thing. the compromise is an honorable and con sill dation and -- and

conciliation consideration, yet, they are and honorable activities that should be cherished and not criticized. when we send someone down to washington, people don't seem to understand this, we talk a how they are going down there to work together to solve the great national problems that we confront. if the message or lesson that -- take from that voting, i from that movie, urge you to think about how it is that compromise and working together is important. lyndon johnson understood this. and senator dirksen were great friends. they were able to work together and accomplish the public needs. thingk that is the one that has been lost. >> how much interest do you find in your colleagues in the house

today in trying to reachieve that common spirit even your political foes? you been reading about how have remained close friends with some of the people you were fighting battles with. do you find those members coming in seeking out to learn about that time? >> every force in our society fights the way congress should work. members hit townsomewhere around 3:00, 4:00 in the afternoon on monday or tuesday, the first act is to tell the staff of what is the first plane i can get out of here on thursday or friday? so we give the folks a three- day work week.

aty say we don't see you home but i'm supposed to be working down there on the nation's business. is of for important things we ought to be friends. we don't have the time to achieve that friendship. we don't have the time to begin to work together. short terms, of course, work against that. the fact that we're always expecting to be home, not down here working on the nation's business. this plus the media, which encourages the forecastest kind that is destructive as hell. it really is counter protective. we're just -- the guys who hit

this town and before they know where the restrooms are they are meeting to get some kind of big thing where they denounce the president or raise hell about this or the other thing. the result is this is most counter productive in having this system work. i think i talk too much about the wrong questions but i feel strongly about these matters. >> yesterday, senator mccain gave a speech and he kept saying the president this and the president that. he said that he had small disdain about the chief of the joint chiefs of staff.

what i said back to him was from the people i know and the people in the diplomatic around me, they look and say you guys have a great country but you can't work together. how are you going to get anything done if sequester doesn't get over? sequester. ok great. >> we put the sequester in because we thought it was so difficult and the result would be that we wouldn't let it happen. some guy figured out right or wrongly this was going to cut the budget. we wouldn't know what the consequences were. they did it in an asinine way. the thing about sequester is we need to stop a problem that we created for us because it slows us down from getting home by getting the air traffic controllers not being able to

move aircrafts action quickly. this is an example of failure. we can't put together a budget. i've got something to say, everyone is going to say this is partisan, it may be or may not be. i have enormous respect for speaker boehner but potentially he is a good speaker, he can't him. the problem in the house is there is a huge battle between the republicans and they don't have time to fight against the democrats. [laughter] so they come back and tell them what he has done and his freshman and sore mores smack him on the side of the head and say no way.

then it goes out the window then we have to have some process where the senate minority leader works to solve the budget problem last year. have done it. so the intention, the mechanics, the wisdom of the founding fathers, those are gone. we're not using them. when i was a chairman, i got in trouble by my own party. i became a good friend of the senior republican with whom i work with, if i was doing investigations or handling legislation. neither he nor she or i would ever reveal this because if we did we would be whacked on the side of the head. but it worked. when i was working with these [unintelligible] i was

proud of it and so was he. it was questioning him. -- it was causing in real difficulty back home. he was a great friend of mine. i was sit in the meetings and i said make this motion and he said why should i do that i said don't be a smart ass just do it. [laughter] we would wind up with the legislation completed and we were able to work together to see to it that we started in the middle and we worked out. the end result was good legislation, clean air, clean water. on the environmental legislation. there was one man andwhen he got to be the senior republican on an environmental sub committee,

i said this is awful. he said no, this is not awful it is good. if i can sell him on this and he was a fair and deseptember guy, remember. it turned out that way. story about him. man. -- john mccormack as a part of an irish poet. he saidi have the highest regard for all the members and he popped up and he said does that include the gentleman from iowa and he said of course. i have the highest regard for all members and the gentleman minimumi have the --

highest regard [laughter] --it should have a kindness to it. the place is human and should be human. that is there because the people tolerate it and unfortunately, we're a divided nation right now and unfortunately, that division goes and drives the ill will, which we find so corrosive. >> can you talk about the inside republican caucus. can you give us a quick snapshot how the democratic caucus. i remember the blue dogs and the rival with nancy pelosi, you had your battle with henry waxman. how is the camaraderie in the democratic caucus?

>> it's there. the great uniting force in the democratic party is now caucus is through the republican caucus. what now we're opposing they are doing and trying to have a meaningful impact on things and to protect the great fundamental legislation means so much to us. social security, medicare, means so much. theaffordable care act, environmental law acts, the clean water act and other things and to make progress on like global warming and

the other concerns we have. that is holding us together. after the election we have a half dozen left and that is a great shame. arell my colleagues, they the majority makers of this party but you cherish them and protect them. if you're going to run this place and you want to have a democratic speaker on the first day of congress, you protect him. without him, you're not going to do it. i keep telling my colleagues that and some of them follow it, some of them don't. one of the big problems in this society is we're too much

focused on the events of today or tomorrow. we aren't looking at a year, two years or six months ahead. that is the real concern of the future. why is one of the reason the asian nations are cleaning our clock. they are thinking in terms of scores or hundreds of years out. over there, they are mad about things that happened 3000 years ago. [laughter] >> first of all, congratulations, mr. chairman. secondly, very glad you mentioned superfund it is a legacy of yours. superfund is an incredible legacy of yours and i had the privilege to work with francis of that. >> francis is a wonderful guy.

>> the fact that you took a consensus approach made it possible for you to get so much done, more than any other single individual. right? >> no. >> i wish i hired you. [laughter] >> the other part of it is you taught so many people how to investigate administrations, even our own administration, as a democrat. so your legacy is just incredible. the wanted to ask you about current time. you've given us some great insights. tell us about the grassroots pressures on the republicans, the tea party pressures, how do you see that? how do you see that abating hopefully? and the role that that group is

playing in this country as opposed to other movements if in will, nativist movements our history? >> i don't have the mic here. i appreciate bill's question. but because i'm always fair- minded, i always presume that we've got a good number of tea party patriots watching this show right now. and i want to make sure that we like them watching. and theseipating in discussions. but john, how -- can you talk a bit about the time and about the grassroots currents in the g.o.p. and i assume those grassroots currents just as alive in michigan 12 as anywhere else. and i would just -- to piggyback on bill's question about the tea party, the occupy wall street movement and others that ginned up a lot of concerns on the left were born out after lot of economic anxiety and your thoughts on these current political streams.

>> frustration, fear, are terrible, terrible motivators. but powerful. these discussions. and they often lead to some serious and unfortunate results. i don't want to say anything against the tea partiers. i strongly disagree with them. and quite frankly they have no use for me. this is an ancient fight that goes on inside the republican party and been going on since at least the time of goldwater. and that election in 1964, they gave us by the way a democratic landslide. but it was -- it was over control of the party. and they wanted to control the party. and they have a very adroit plan for perpetuating republican control of the country and the congress. and by golly, they're as smart as all get out.

it's working. but having said this, they are -- they're afraid. they're concerned. there's a lot of honest concern. the problem that you have there is the -- really don't understand how the system can and should work. this nation was founded by some of the smartest, best educated people who had read thoughts of the great philosophers at the time. these folks have not learnedthie of the smartest, best educated people who had read thoughts isse lessons and the result that they will -- they will rush forward to re-create the mistakes that we've made over centuries. there's not much new going on in politics.

todayss mistakes are made and dumb ass mistakes were made in an earlier time. having said -- having said these things, they tend to believe means. and they also have the belief that we have to move strongly and not to pay attention to thes that they will -- they will great system of which we're a part. ofhave the best system government in the world. the problem is we're not making it work. and we're not permitting it to work. make it work. and this is terrible. the institution of our government, the institution of our congress, are really more important than any single person or any single issue. government.

which is designed to protect our liberties, our freedoms, and also to see to it that each and every one of us is heard and has an opportunity to participate in our country. and this is -- this is a terrible thing. and i don't know whether i've answered the question. >> done a great job. former senator regal. >> if i may, i just want to make a personal observation about john. >> did he ever run against you in a primary? >> are you kidding? >> think about it? >> no one in their right mind would run against john. >> i supported jim o'hara against don. and it was one of the biggest mistakes i made. because he cleaned our clock. a great politician. a great senator and a great friend. and i learned my lesson. since.

many people. and i include myself on that list. very gratefully. but i spent my first six years in the house as a republican and as a republican you sit on one side of the house chamber and as a democrat the other side. from the republican side you look over and see the democrats, and the democrats look over and see the republicans. i decided to change parties. and it's an awkward thing to do. and it was an awkward thing for me to do. so one day after i had done that, i crossed the center aisle. and i started to sit after six years on the other side of the aisle. and i felt very strange. and i didn't feel particularly welcome. that time. had a big majority and didn't need another renegade republican necessarily coming over. but the first person to reach out to me was john dingell. and of course there wasn't anybody that was more respected at the time than john. or today. and one day he just motioned me

to come over and sit beside him in the chair next to him on the house side. and i think he put his arm around me. i felt like he did. because that was the gesture he was making. and it was a wonderfully kind thing. it was a leadership thing. and a mentoring step. and john spoke about mentors who were important to him. like john moss and others. and john mccormick. but he's been a mentor to an enormous number of people. i have to be one of the lucky ones who went on to be a chairman and used a lot of his methods. but i see it now even in some of the republican chairmen in the house. i think the two republican chairmen from michigan that we have in the house today follow certain number of john's practices because his leadership has been bipartisan. it's been bigger than party differences. and that's a wonderful gift to the country. and he's given it to a lot of people. and made a big difference.

i think it adds up to as much in the end as his legislative accomplishments and that's saying a lot. >> we're coming right to the close. but would you like to share any thoughts on don riegle's congressional bromance? [laughter] >> don riegle was a great member of the house. a very smart politician. was very concerned about the public interest. he was a great friend of mine. he was a great senator. he served our people well. and reaching out to him was not a problem. theas his presence in congress that helped us all and the country. and i was very glad to have him join the democrats. because -- and when he was with the republicans, i always used to observe if the republicans were as bad as i thought they were, they needed a guy like riegle. [laughter] >> congressman, after -- this is an historic day that the ticker makes you the longest

serving member of congress in either chamber to serve this government. and it's such an honor that you joined us here at the atlantic, our whole family of publications, national journal, the atlantic, the courts, wanted to have you here today to have a real conversation. we very much appreciate all of you being here. forthe viewers of c-span joining us. but i want to just give you a round of applause. >> absolutely. you do? i'm a lucky guy. i had great mentors. wonderful father. got a wife, a treasure. and my dad who is one of my mentors, principal mentors and teachers, said son, it's a pretty long time.

he served 23 years. and they said -- he'd say you know, son, it ain't how long. it is how well. havehere are people who served relatively briefly who have served with great distinction. and so the amount of time i've put in just means i've collected a check from government. done with that time? and how well have i served the people? that's the important thing. >> well, we think we've covered that quite adequately today and i would like to commend you on the things you've actually done to serve your country so well. so thank you very much, sir. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013]

>> the senate appropriations subcommittee on defense and we will hear from secretary of defense chuck hagel -- chuck hagel and general marchant shensi, of the joint chiefs of staff on the budget request on

cspan 3 at 10:00 eastern. in a few moments, today's headlines, plus your calls and tweets on "washington journal," obama will make a statement on the senate immigration bill and the house reconvenes for general speeches at no legislative business at 2:00 p.m. -- in about 45 minutes, we will focus on immigration and tax policy. our guest is the former head of the congressional budget thece, at 8:30 eastern, federation of american scientists will take your questions on data collection programs that use electronic surveillance. buy al also be john to reporter with the associated press to discuss the recent article about how washington

investigate itself. she will look of the relative power of the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government. "road to the white house" next. "washington journal" is a next. host: the senate takes up debate on that bipartisan immigration reform bill, following a vote on the motion to proceed. proponents are hoping for 70 votes to put pressure on house of republicans to approve the bill. live coverage on c-span2. president obama will be a rallying support for the immigration legislation at 10:30 a.m. this morning. if the senate judiciary committee holds nomination hearings for minnesota at. -- minnesota turkey to head the atf. republicans are demanding more answers from the nee