ability of congress trying to block some of the regulations giving litigation from the polluting industries. how optimistic are you֋that the epa cannot only unveil regulation but they will hold upel4 >> the president said if

congress won't act, he will act. had doesn't need -- he doesn't need congress it pass a new)+bw for him to enforce the requirement of the cleanu)j gx0r act. usually liberals and progress( i haves -- progressives. here is a>oi 5-4 decision, the law requs that a pollutant causes harm to the public health and? the environment it must be regulated. the epa under president bush it on to the white house and the white house wouldn't even5 y opn up the e-mail informing them of this information because it

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way it works, everybody has to >> the heart of the legislation is to make healthcare insurance availables]d to everyone. if you have preexisting condition, you can't buy health the insurance company have a model to try who

don't need t and the people whoee don't want to covercn at all. for those people to be able to buy insurance at the same rate as othersmçh÷ their age, they nd to have insurance that's going to have healthy people as well3. we want to get people in that coverage so that it can be-/a spread out and cost down. if you say to insurance companies, just cover the sick, the cost of insurance is going to bex unaffordable. that's why the insurance companies have been discriminated against them. we don't want thatfha to happe. >> these benefits you're talking about. the utos indicate the public don't know what's in the law. how do democrats reverse that trend do you think the administration is doing enough h#o don't think its up to theh? democrats. it's the law of the land. it's up to the government to ensure the states are doing wha3

they need to do. we make it availablew everybody who wants to buy health insurance. what's amazing it's the republicans whokvc voted against this bill, want to repeal it 38 time this lasti;t@ week, votedo repeal it. that's not going to happen. they don't tell us what they put in s place. they want to repeal it. they hope the court would have thrown it out, they.fj presidet obama wouldn't be reelected. they keep on fighting the law but they're&ñ not helping make t work. this law will work for the benefit of millions of americans. republican who control the house of representatives won't giveh the funds to explain the laws so people will know what will be available to them. it's a lot happening. in october we'll hear a lot about the plan. by january it will be

ahead. people will get insurance. >> if1] i can speak one more quickly. you know there will be "=@cu(t president said so this . you know republicans will pounce. what is the strategy from law, the implementation of it doesn't wcome a liability in 2014? >> lot of the benefits of this law is effect and they're very popular. their policy until their 26 h?iksrájjju of people have insurance that might not otherwise had it. lot of seniors on medicare, they're getting a break,on prescription drug and preventive services. preventing insurance companieyñ to charging a lot of money andno using it for executive salary. you get a money through premium, you would have toz@cñ@-áy 80% of that money on medical services.

lot of people are getting rebate. the president pointed that out the other day. they're getting rebate>h= checks because that part of the law is in effect. there are a lot of important things in the law that arey(b y popular and when people are able to go and buyíoó insurance and e insurance companies competing for their business, competition brings the2# price down. theyby all have to have comparae services so you're not buying

>> they won't take 100% of the federal dollars for the medicaid expansion which will cover lowé income people. they're just denying those people help.+id they're denying hospital and doctors payment. >> we have seven minutes left. >> let's get to climate it's a the president's announcement, what effect, if any, do you think it's going to have on legislative options? there is a school of thought affected by these regulations, coal fireoopower plant. may want to talk to their friends in congress rather than of&/ó impetus for legislation on this again or is it so dead in the water that

there's no discussion happening? >> in #gñ2009 senator markey ani we had a majority. but majority couldn't vote for that bill was backed by some major industries in this country. ifix thought republicans woulde sensitive to the business community. instead they're "y partygical right wing teamore e 4ople.g6@nsitive

>> it could be moved as an oil or liquid. what happens if he does sign off on this pipeline? what does it say about his dedication to this climate problem? it seems the members are putting all of their eggs in one basket. what does that say forward he seems to be so strongly dedicated to. >> i simply hope he does not

approve the keystone xl pipeline. debunking a lot of what has been written by people in the state department in their analysis which is not correct. they say, it's going to cause a lot of greenhouse gases but it's going to happen anyway. it's not going to happen anyway. the only way they'll be able to triple the amount, is they have the pipeline. the process of relying on the possible source of oil will be a

huge step back in fighting climate change. i think the president understands that. he said he won't approve if it adds to the greater emissions. we're trying to see if that's a phase of art he's accepted, used and find some way out of what should be the obvious conclusion. reject that pipeline, let's go forward and not backward in dealing with climate change. >> really don't think that if we didn't build the pipeline, we could have locked this oil coming here to be refined. it wouldn't be used by somebody else. china wouldn't want the oil. it seems that's -- >> of course they want the oil. india would want the oil. that's why we've got owork together and have alternatives not rely on just foss sell -- foss -- fossil fuels.

we need oil, there's no doubt about it. we're developing more oil in the united states now. not this dirty tarsan oil that has to be processed. >> regardless whether we burn it or refine it or somebody else refine it -- >> it can't get anywhere from canada unless they have a pipeline running through the united states. if they run pipelines through canada to the pacific ocean, there's nothing we can say about it. but they can't do it because people would not agree to it. they have native -- >> would that be worse because you will be transporting it longer distances. you have refineries that have less environmental controls. >> it's not going to be transported unless they have a pipeline unless they use railroad. i don't think the railroad is a feasible option. it's going to be too expensive. the pipeline is not going to be built in canada and we shouldn't

give them a pipeline through the united states where we have them sell the dirtiest possible oil giving them -- >> they can make it tougher for them? >> i think it's going to make it tougher to the point where they're going to have to look not to expand it the way they hope triple the amount of oil that they want to produce. they have some oil that is not going to be the quantity, not going to add to the harm that a large supply would cause our planet if we let them use a pipeline through the united states. >> waxman to white house reject the keystone pipeline. >> on that note, we have to say thank you. thank you for being here. >> news maker this week features

congressman mycal denzel smith. you tried to get to the politics of healthcare rather unsuccessful in that situation. are you sensing the congressional election is going to be fought on some level about the healthcare legislation? >> certainly. the implementation happens january 1 as mr. waxman said. the biggest chunk of it. millions of people are going to have to buy health insurance or they get a fine. they're going to be glitches. obama said just this week. there are going to be glitches. you know the republican will highlight every single one of them. you will see a lot of 30 second ads on any little problem that you have. somebody got a headache getting online, you will see an ad about it and it will affect the november 2014 election. what mr. waxman said, once the benefits start kicking in, people will realize the law was a good thing even opponents will suddenly become proponents. he also mentioned that a lot of

people don't know they're already benefiting from it. that was the other question. do you think there's enough outreach that people don't know what's in the law. they don't know it's obamacare, if they don't know where it's coming from, then they can still criticize the law. >> they're setting the battle ground here over climate policy with the white house. how do you see this playing out? >> this can be very interesting. waxman mentioned his bill with senator markey, moderate democrats did very well on that issue. i would not be surprised if that come up again along with the

healthcare. it there was a vote for the climate bill. because the president is in the same party, are you going to see a play in election. there will be a lot of votes. you're seeing from this congress ongoing against the epa to establish where they stand on these issues. i definitely see it being an issue for democrats. especially from democrats that are states heavy fossil fuel users. whether that's the coal state or oil state. >> we talked about the job aspect. the economy is still recovering. how important -- what's the temperament when you look at polls the american public a concern there might be about any climate change of it versus jobs and the impact on jobs in their home state? >> polls are really interesting on environmental topics. everybody claims to be an

environmentalists and want a healthy planet. when you ask them what they feel about the effects. higher electricity bills higher prices at the the gasoline pump. they don't like that. obviously the president push is, we are going from a fossil fuel path to a renewable future. renewable future will bring a whole new set of jobs. you're not going to replace coal job with a wind, solar or geothermal job instantaneously. >> we're out of time. expecting the comment we saw on the end of the senate will transfer to the house of representatives? >> on