> jack doyle, what is the pop history dig? >> well, this is a website. t's really -- it's the history of pop eurolar culture. its's a collection of stories, history of he

popular culture. culture, it's quite more than that. i've k there's -- what been trying to do at this site was go into more detail with how impacts the re politics and sports and other arenas. pop culture. about what we have on the site are popular music, sports biography. we have a history of media entities, newspapers, history. there's a range of things. i when i formulated the site, purposely cast a wide net to see what would work. >> i have it on minute lap and dying tot -- i've been look at it. i warn you, its's an ipad. am not sure if i eel be that by dexterous. now, rumbles riles

censors. i'll come back to that. e'll talk about some of the different item ms. but step back little bit before we do that? okay. >> why'd you do this? >> well this, is sort of a me.nd career for i had spent almost 30 years working in public policy, 20 of were here in washington working on environmental public poll sip. 2006, 2007, i started some other work or -- and i came up with the the web was so intriguing, i thought to venture into the web and start something that could possibly be a small business. some retirement money and i hired a couple of young teams out in fe new market where i live. >> new market, maryland? >> yeah, new market, maryland. little outfit called

mind storm interactive. site.helped to build the they did the coding. and i'm not skilled on the oding, but i knew about word processing so that once they stepped the architecture up, i forward.ke the site >> what kind of subjectings -- how many subjects do you have on there? a -- at the top site, there's a category list. there are about eight different there.ries of topics >> media, entertainment, sports marketing, and politics. >> if you browse through each of category buttons, thumbnail sketches for stories that you and go to any of those stories. o there are now like 170 stories on the website in various topics. >> how many of those have you written? them.l of i mean, this is the chief cook and bottle washer. the whole operation.

about what intrigued me the web is to try and -- one person can do that. can jump into this and if you're really interested n research and writing as i am and have been for most of my career, the web is just a marvelous pool. it's just a wonderful opportunity. here we are.n so >> my age. 1959.back to 1958, rumble in quotes, riles censors. was rumble. . in rumble.ew sound an instrumental song.

but what happened is it started become popular. and some registrations would not it because they believed it incited juvenile delinquency is of the time. -- you know, what some people who

are instrumental have been banned. >> how successful was the song? it into the top ten. it was a popular song. >> let's watch a little bit of the song. i doubt if young people will this.er and watch a little bit of link ray. he called it link ray and the monday. >> yeah. that's right. >> okay, let's watch it. >> i said i don't know a stroll. duck said i know the beat behind it. e said, i said, okay, i went like this. and my god, man, watching me, you know? he said, bam. >> and my brother, ray, he microphone, right? because the only mic he had back singers.ys were the they didn't mic the amps or anything. they took the mic and stuck it here. i took my amp and turned it wide open. amplifier, premier

right? link wray and the wrayman. -- what kind of chance would that have today? was used inhe music the tarantino film. i'm using this in the article. couple of the tarantino wray i believe have link instrumental music in them. so, you know, the music is music.ental you can always adapt it and use

it for other purposes and film whatever. >> i want to ask you a question, the censor part of it. i'm hile you answer it, going to show how much content you have on an article like this and what it looks like. was it censored by the government at all? >> no. no. are radio hese stations, tv stations that ecided that, you know, that they didn't like the association with gang warfare. rumble.name but apparently it really didn't hurt the song. some -- i think -- if i'm not mistaken, the article -- miller may have come out and said something well.ve about it as but the song became popular and showed y, that clip you has link wray in the later years to europe nt he went and had quite a successful career there. continued his -- his music

making for many years. >> how do you decide what you're going to write about? >> that's an interesting question. things do a balance of on the website. but it's usually -- it's quite on a visual. if i don't get a good visual to start the story, a good video -- or maybe a though i don't use videos that much. throughout the site. but i'm trying to make it a good isual experience as well as providing a good narrative along with the story. i'm working on one tory that i will try to find the photos, i'll find something else and i'll put it away an use i'll -- it gives me idea for another story. so the process is pretty random. do -- i am trying to alance the topical matter, politics, sports, whatever. page here.he opening

if in it is the atomic and punch on that, it will punch up as the full story. why did you pick this? what's the story. >> that was the first political ad. he first negative political ad in the american campaign history. for that reason, i thought it was historically significant that you have the first negative campaign ad where at the time was suggestive unleash water would and barry goldwater the republican candidate in the that year would unleash nuclear weapons to the pearl of world. and though johnson exploited ad, theth the daisy girl same as daisy girl ad. firm, en the advertising doyle not mistaken was

dan birnback -- no relation. that firm had been chosen by assassination e doyle dean in the subsequent campaign. think smallseen the volkswagen ads and he liked very much what they were doing so he they would be a good agency to have in his campaign? >> let's run the ad. it's been seen, i'm sure, by most people watching. ad l show the goldwater after that. one, two, three, four, five, six, six, eight, nine. 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2,

1. these are the stakes. o make a world in which all of god's children can live tore go dark.the e must either love each other or we must die. >> vote for president johnson on november 3. the stakes are too high for you to stay home. >> you say in your piece on this it was only run once. >> that's right. >> but it's been seen thousands of times. even in the year when all took it off of the air, the news organizationings had it. effect d a wide spread even then. and it kicked off the whole notion of negative campaign ads. do you know -- and any of whether president

johnson knew about this ad before it ran? >> that's a good question. -- i'm sure they must have had some kind of a preview. and i don't know that for a fact. but it would seem that the to have would have had known what they were doing there. >> what did the goldwater ampaign do as retribution or what they hope to be retribution? >> well, i believed as they came up with their own ad, with school children pledging flag if i'm the not mistaken. it. e're going to show >> yeah. whole t's where the negativity thing started. have a truce ey after that in that campaign. since then, negative campaign of the world. y >> sometimes you connect the video, sometimes you don't. what's your own philosophy for putting it together? >> that's the learning curve.

invest the videos, the owner will shut them down. you don't have any control over that. careful what be care fful .ou pick to incorporate you don't get pulled back. political ads most advertising the public of in domain. so here's the -- >> the goldwater ad for those haven't seen it. hand over her heart. ready, begin. >> i pledge allegiance. the flag of the united states of america. >>. [ speaking german ] >> for which it stands, one nation, under god, in divisible.

>> and justice for all. >> i want american kids to grow americans and they will if they have the guts to make their intentions clear. so clear they don't need interpretation just respect for prepared as no country in all of history ever was. he's your heart, you know right. vote for barry goldwater. >> in the election, johnson really swamped goldwater in the election. it was one of the great land victories. the ad goldwater added is interesting. used the equivalent of khrushchev. it was a negative piece as well. worked in politic s? >> i worked in environmental here, i washington

did -- i didn't work in campaigns, per se. worked around the edges of public policy. >> that i grew up in pennsylvania. >> where did you go to school? >> small state college. the small state college in lancast lancaster, pennsylvania. school in ate pennsylvania as well. >> is there anything in the past you tould lead worked around the edges of public policy. >> that i grew up in writing th blog -- you think call it a blog or a website? >> website. >> that you totally invented. to the high back school days. i went to a school in longer ania which is no there. it's no longer a high school. they do these tests called the preference test for children.

and in high school, tests have revealed i had a predilection persuasive arts. that's all i knew at the time. my career did move into writing and research. i went to school and i regional planning and graduate school. at the time i went to school, who would imagine the web? it's just a -- this how been doing long now? ? >> the website -- it really when it on the search engine when we first engaged the search function, in a was june of 2008. had a bunch of stories. i have lots more that i can execute.

i have more to come. more.e's one one that we have that's no longer alive. enemy of the people. the portion of the larger paul cartoon in the 1970s showing president nixon caught in the watergate spider web. why did you pick conrad? >> i believed conrad had just passed on. he was in the news. visual.k was and that graphic there, the very ate graphic is dramatic. subsequently ers used in the piece. he wasng about conrad is on nixon's enemy list. that knead story more important to me. i just had the visual elements i look for. it.ust ran with i did a quick sketch of his

career and incorporating some of his drawings. me go down the page here and pick up some other cartoons. the nixon toon, characatured repairman saying he says he's from the phone company. >> that cartoon by conrad was the watergate mess. he was probably one of the "the washington post" is the one normally with watergate and they did. to make ath was quick the nixon association and -- very early on. >> picture of him there from website. how about rights on this? how do you get rights to publish a lot of these cartoons? here's one, by the way, so people can look at it. "enemy's list" his own worst enemy. that's what it says at the bottom. >> conrad, his work is -- he

feels no -- he was no fan of nixon. nor was nixon of he. -- i used most of this claim and r use because what i'm doing here is asically for public education purposes, though. i had -- most of the material kind of give credit where i can, where i find the source. but it's use in the interest of education. >> one last cartoon. have to come get me says richard nixon with a out the window. does it have to do anything with politics? ou consider yourself a journalist at some point? >> i consider myself a kind.list of the

and i've written several books in the past. politically, i try to stay balanced. but i do lean -- lean in a progressive.ction lengthy piece there on richard nixon and his engagement with -- the watergate some years after with david frost. there's a long piece there about nixon trying to -- trying to vindicate himself there. on that, we have some video. for those who have never seen david frost exchange, here's seconds. >> what did haldeman tell you during the 18 1/2-minute gap? haldeman's notes are the only recollection i have of what he told me. haldeman was a very good note

we've ecause, of course, had other opportunities to look at his notes. he was very -- making the notes presidential files. the notes indicated -- >> the offensive, yeah. >> that's right. >> you asked me what it was. that the ction was notes -- checked the eob to see bugged.or not it's obviously i was concerned about whether or not the other side was bugging us. >> what are the things that you say in your piece on this is money. th made a lot of >> yeah. i believe the initial contract for nixon was $1 million or so. and then -- well, the hope -- the piece -- the focus of this i try to --lly what i try to carve out a unique cut on these stories. you know? lot of it is history. and we're revisiting history. but in this case, i tried to story around what i thought was a giant business emerged just around the

nixon-frost interviews. books re were subsequent and there was a stage production and there was a film -- a followed.film that so a lot of business emerged the frost-nixon debates, engagements. i found that fascinating. t was a quite lengthy piece on that whole period. >> when you do your research, own rule s?r >> i try to have good sourcing. include it in all of the pieces that i twisting at the end of each article. so people can ks see what i've done and go to the primary sources themselves. try to be fair and balanced as i've learned as i've -- 've done this website structure, i've learned how to build the stories, how to incorporate links, and which valuable, which

aren't, that kind of thing. the rules for me are just doing good solid research and not going out on a limb, not making wild statements. you pick up the phone and call somebody that tell writing about to them about your piece. >> i haven't -- i really -- most work is usually secondary sources and it's not really the primary. because most of what i'm doing -- i'm history, it's taking novel slices of things that have already been done and repackaging them. and so much of our society goes so quickly, one of the reasons i decided to try to tackle these topics is because, know, i want passes us by daily. lots of things go through our ives and we don't always focus on what happens.

so i'm rehashing some of these things. repackaging them to have a second -- a second look at what what's happened. address? the website >> pop history dig.com. how long did it take to invent the title? interested in popular culture and the history of popular culture. part is not slang but sort of meant to suggest like an diggingogical dig, like for the truth. and, in fact, we played with my time, we playede with a logo type which would man -- a little man and an open book with a little shovel digging -- we tried to that kind of a visual logo. but we couldn't come to agreement on that. put the logo aside. so the dig is the idea of etting into the research and digging into topics.

>> when did you know that you that people wanted to read? >> well, i'm still -- it's still a work in progress. ut the thing that keeps me going is the fact that the you make a f relative query for something one written, it will come up the google search page as the first or second page or bing or search r any of the engines. that's frankly what's kept me going in this. been -- it's been that -- to see that occur strikes me as, doing something right. because the stories are coming up early in searches. thing that has been encouraging to me are the fact that schools and colleges are using it. can see -- i have what's called google analytics to take visiting the s site and how long they're staying on pages and that kind of thing. quite a get quite a --

following in schools and professors use the stories they link to stories and that kind of thing. is naders raiders 1968 to 1974. what got your attention on ralph nader? have you ever met him? meet him once on the steps of one of the senate office buildings when i was back in the early '80s, i believe. blurb for a book industry in auto "taken for a ride." but that's my previous life when i worked on environmental policy issues. but the nader story -- i mean, i that the nader story is fairly really -- i want's a -- it's a visual because

instigated a lot of publication. he his raiders, you know, came out with the paperback-worthy books that were studies on various federal issues of the day. and i incorporate a number of books throughout the piece. but, you know, i looked around good ere hasn't been a story that sort of tried to capture what nader had done in window from about '68 to '74, i believe. the raiders, they did great work. he paperbacks that are incorporated in the story are pieces of policy work. felt i could do a website in and to help teachers college professors and bring his history, this popular

rim, this publishing history, bring this to light. you know? what nader did. there's -- a lot of negativity nader and the -- and the 2000 election, of course. of course, we have to remember that this man really the way he anged really did, you know, sort of spur investigative reporting in way at that time. the whole raider nation was a idea. and it -- it really did change the culture. >> yeah. -- where do you find most of the artwork you put in ike i'm looking right now to the interstate commercial? >> it's almost all -- all of it comes from the internet. i -- i know when i do my to ches, i'll make queries find a particular book, a cover see there. so -- and -- and sometimes it's hard to find really crisp and photos.

but the history sometimes equires that you just use what's available to it so a viewer can see -- see the history. >> another subject -- j.f.k. and the watch. ad. the what was that -- what got your attention there? the time, i think i was subscribing to wired magazine. i'm not mistaken, it was 2009 issue had a two-page spread giving a speech, his peech we will go to the moon speech, i believe it was from in in s where he made it houston b. used. the omega watch photo to use people for their watch. that got my attention. how many times do you see a president being used to

here was cts and j.f.k. it was a pretty dramatic photo. >> is it allowed? >> apparently so. images case, i guess the was owned by the j.f.k. library. 'm not sure about that, you know, in that ad, there's a ittle section that has the j.f.k. library in -- engraved in the ad there. so apparently there was some -- >> let's watch it and then we can see what you're talking about? >> we choose to go to the moon. to go to the moon. go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard.

>> first and only watch on the moon? >> it was. in thelater incorporated moon program. all of the astronauts used it. nd it became, you know, quite the -- quite the watch of the nasa watch. know, there you had kennedy not making a specific obviously, but the association is there. that's all advertisers need. where do you live? newmarket, maryland, four or the city. north of >> the office pc from my desk. there's a way if to analyze this. when you first started and you andthe first piece on there website, whatwith did it cost you to get there? is having to pay the

ills and there was research money paid out to my design team, mine storm interactive who the site.build but i -- the cost was really research. my and i had some retirement money to -- to ped into finance the site. and to pay the bills while i did the research. couldn't do the research just part-time. it was really a full time job into it with the idea of making it a going venture. and i'm struggling still. but i haven't given up on -- i'm keeping at it. what i'm looking for is is there any way to estimate what it would cost somebody else who has an idea similar to -- not to do the same thing, but what would it cost them to get started? >> building the website is, you know, a few thousand dollars, perhaps. lot of opportunities on-line now. build build -- you can

websi websites very rudimentary fairly easy without much cost. so there's a range of options out there. you're going if into it for the long run and you want a site that will last and be able to take lots of visitors kind of thing, you really need professional help to et it -- to get it started and set up. b ut, yeah, today there's enormous opportunity to start websites. you do a piece on edward r. morrow in person-to-person. morrow.edward r. why did you select that program, "person to person". morrow is a famous newsman from cbs who in history s known for his confrontation with senator joe mccarthy, the who was unist crusader holding the communist witch hunts on capitol hill. morrow had a very

ramatic confrontation on the air. but -- and that was the separate had.that morrow but this show person-to-person was more of a variety looking at actresses, musicians, sports figures, a range of politicians well. he would bring them -- he would take his cameras into their home in an easy sit chair and visit with actors and personalities and musicians in their homes. and it was a show where you just exchanged the views of -- with these celebrities. then 's watch a clip and you can tell us what impact it had on the -- on the television we watch today. >> the kennedys were married last month. they're still looking for a in washington. on weekdays, they stay up in boston. history.ch for the let's go and meet the newlyweds. senator?here,

>> yes, right here, mr. morrow. >> good evening, sir. good evening, mrs. kennedy. have you opened all of your wedding gifts? >> well, i've opened quite a few those and i sent them all to washington. we just have a couple back here. >> uh-huh. i wonder if you would show us around your apartment a bit? >> certainly will. hold on, mr. morrow. >> primitive? like some of oks the stuff we do. >> it was early television. nd this was early -- sort of early celebrity tv where, you know, famous people were -- he went into their homes and he did a little small talk interview and it was a popular those days. it was a harbinger of what we have today in endless fashion it seems like "entertainment tonight" and whatever, all kinds of -- >> it was done live. was. s, it

>> my memory was friday night, something like that. late, 10:30? it was fairly late in the evening. watched somek -- i of the interviews. they're not exactly hard core journalism. did it do to edward r. morrow's image. it and how bout significant in history do you think they were? gave a speech lambasting

how tv was being frivolous. he was warning against frivolous television. >> why? hoping to use it in a more educational vein. website, i have some more on my ipad here that shows some of the variety that and here, for instance, kefauver hearings, beatles in america. 1961.eek sold, all sports all the time, espn. you have dinah shore and chevy. jacksons statutes. woops. new here you go murdock's york deals.

again, as you hear some of hese, do you remember why you did them. >> rupert murdoch, that story -- acquisitionsies of here in the late '70s when he and red new york magazine "the new york post" and the voice.e he made acquisitions into the media, one of the first forreys into the u.s. market. i thought it was an interesting story at the time because murdoch was continuing -- fox continuing to grow and here empire aspect of his being built and there was some history thereting at the time, ine

clay faulkner was the editor. he tends to be an interesting story. discover new attitudes, i travelled down new avenues. faulkner was one of them. magazine part of that story is fascinating reading. anybody interested in journalism like that story. >> how often does somebody come you do one of those stories and say mr. doyl, you got that wrong? i do get occasional e-mails but not that many. actually, few, offering correctionings. i do -- i welcome critique and for my readers for stories. i remain open to critique and correction. >> is this generation -- is this website generating any revenue. it is, but not -- not tremendous revenue. see, i have u can some google -- bare bones google margins.ng in the i get a piece of that every time someone clicks on it. not -- it's not bushels

of money by any means. it's small at this point. you keep doing it without making money? >> i have a consulting business continued on i the -- on to try to pay the bills. determined to keep at this because i think there's potential here for the site to bigger. and so i'm not getting up by any this point. i think there are a lot more potential here. >> this is what you do on wall movie, gordon gecko played by kirk douglas. of lling down, showing some the pictures that you have on here. gordon gecko. lunch is for wimps, it says, under the cut line. a blockbuster. the movie? > well, interesting if you scroll up to the top of the piece, you'll see that the fortune magazine cover, that's eye. caught my the fact that some years later

movie, this was almost decade after the movie, "fortune" used the gekko character on his cover in a story, if i'm not mistaken, about greed in business. so gekko -- here's an example of film, michael douglas, he's imprint in the culture. still, you he's know, still using him to message cover story in that issue. so it was a good visual to begin gekko ory and tell the story and the business success the film is nd how also used in business schools to each, you know, values and ethics and that kind of thing. >> here's an example where you do have some video on the site. you just punch on that and you're going to get some video. trailer going run the here so that people who never saw the movie can understand -- what it's about.

>> from the director of battle is ine next the greatest jungle of them all, wall street. >> going down the drain, okay, is plummeting. >> when it hits 18, buy it all. down.hink he's going i want you to get the missing picture. exactlyekko, that's not what i do. >> you can trade your honor. >> give my license. insider information. >> when you're not inside, you're outside. there. you >> political, trade your piece mind. >> if anything isn't right, you're on your own, the trail stops with you. million. >> all it takes a little inside information. >> indon't care where or how you get it. i think you owe me. >> you can trade everything you believe in. you -- you're too blind to see it. > for everything that you ever wanted. >> i get a call from the sec. >> why you need to -- all cause it's wreckble,

right. >> michael douglas, charlie daryl hannah, martin sheen, and oliver stone film, street. >> what impact do you think that country? on the and is -- how much of that to ed into why you decided write about it. > again, the fact that "fortune" picked up on gekko on the cover of the magazine. me. struck i'm always very interested in the business aspects of the music as well. but interestingly, when wall out, it didn't do very well. it wasn't very successful. this released and they were surprised it didn't resonate at the time. i think subsequently, it has classic film, describing that whole activity on wall street. it was a classic.

>> i'm looking at r.f.k. and brooklyn. the picture isn't popped up yet. but we'll get it on the air. why are r.f.k. in brooklyn? why the statue? >> one of the sections in the what i call "icons and celebrities." i've become intrigued in and where ow and why and who we honor with statues country.he t turns out that even fiction unanimous -- fictional characters have their own statue cases. jackie gleeson statue. jackie gleeson hen he was starring in the honeymooners. and the company, tvland ventured series of these statues, resurrecting fictional building statues,

several of them, mary tyler has one in minnesota. others around the country as well. the fonz has one in milwaukee. tvland statues. so the idea of who gets it and some of the statues are public figures, obviously, rfk caught my attention. i just -- you know, the photo i the lead of that piece which captured kennedy -- captured kennedy. it was a sculpture is -- it's indicate in the story, was a woman. and she -- she really -- i thought captured kennedy in the bus that she did. that photo of the bust really got my attention. started to investigate why where and itut and turns out there's a fascinating story on robert kennedy in brooklyn. he did for bedford

styveson. he became very concerned with the urban poor and became part run for the uent white house which was awarded ecause of his -- of his assassinations. history there, the statue in the bust became the peg for that story. but, you know, in elaborating, i get into what he did in brooklyn. >> can you tell what -- which one of your 170 articles are looked at the most? >> yes. i can. the home page gets quite a few hits. and the most popular story it is the one on rosie a -- itter which i have hard kens back to the 1943 cover hat norman rockwell did of a character named rosie. rosie the riveter. an interestingte

-- with rosy ith and subsequent images related to riveter-type characters used in the women's '70s and in the subsequently. ut rosie also became -- rosie, world war ii very significant image for recruiting image into the workforce. that article, that piece whole detail of how women became involve in the workforce. riveter image e in the saturday evening post is the link to get you into the lot more of how women came into the workforce then. >> when you write a piece, how take?does it >> it's very -- it can take a few weeks or it can take a month or two. on -- well, i find -- i might start working or find a can't find the

narrative. i can't get the narrative quite right. aside and go to something else. ight now i probably have 100 stories in various stages of to get on that i want up. but when i pay the bills, i have to do some consulting so that takes time away from the work. but i always come back to it. with this as you might imagine. it's something that -- it's my project and i want to make it keep at it. >> how many hours a week? oh, gees. 0, 80, you know, that's -- i'm at it all the time. i'm just -- >> what would you tell somebody said i want to do that -- them about?ou warn >> you have to be dedicated. you have to have decent ideas go for it.ow,

with the web, it's a whole new world out there. -- the opportunity is amazing. >> so, you're just a citizen. >> right. >> wrote some books. did some lobbying. >> right. you just started this -- >> right. >> pop history dig.com. >> yeah. as a lark? >> well, not -- well, i -- i'm that it will become a paying entity. harbor 'm -- i still that hope that i'll make a living off of it. it's the meantime, if doing public education, getting that's partt there, of what i -- why i set it up for public education. going to show some video that you have a 12-minute video hat you can link to on this site. it's drew pearson. people, hard to find you ch, you know, nobody knows who drew pearson is, if they're younger people.

i'm going to run this and ask you why? > elvis presley was a truck driver who still can't read music and whose main appeal frankly, sex. but that said, elvis is a boy poverty-stricken background. you can hardly expect him to and t the screeching girls the fat pocketbooks being thrust upon him. also truerness, its's that elvis began his climb to ame before he ever appeared on television. the records were best sellers in the outh before he hit bigtime. and following the criticism of he's dy movements on tv, become less objectionable. elvis amazed e, actor.s an here's my prediction. once the popularity with the have been lack of popularity with the parents. quit criticizing the

singing, i predict the great hysteria will diminish. >> how did drew pearson do? prediction on elvis presley? >> well, elvis went on to you know, great and great fame much beyond that. that was 1956. but the pearson piece -- it's a longer peace. it runs 12 minutes as you say. i selected that because i had couple of stories on elvis. hisve one story in there on 1955, how he travelled around he country, all of his itinerary listed and a few visuals. a shorter story. him making story of an appearance in jacksonville in '56, i believe it was, where he with a atened restraining order if he did suggestion hip movements on stage, a judge had granted a levied ing order to be

but he didn't actually -- it was levied on presley at the time. in this day and age, its's absurd that it's happened. presley was revolutionary. she was changing the culture. and he was pressing to many. after i'd done the stories. pearson -- even though he was critical, his the nting of presley at time was pretty good. it was an accurate portrayal of -- >> who was pearson? >> he was a famous columnist s.om the 1940s and '50 he was one of the most widely yndicated columnists in the country at the time. he went on to a great career. and he was often critical of exposes on and did

politicians and even, i believe the story on d in ixon too because he made some accusations of nixon in his later years. but, yeah, pearson was a --ous >> before we lose time here, i want to show -- this is one of my favorite sites because it's artwork.f the but here's vanity fair and ask why this is franklin delanor roosevelt when he feels governor. back in the '30s. this is herbert hoover. why these covers? and where did you find them? quite take e become within the art of the 1930s. andrew melon. >> the 1930s magazine art in that period was quite striking. i came across them randomly. through the zing

vanity fair page. was surprised it hasn't done much with the history, the own cover history. started to collect the covers and i did research on each of he covers and tried to build stories around each person that was depicted. vanity 1933 cover of fair offered the wailing wall of gold by artist miguel -- that's how you pronounce it. -- i mexican -- i did have several of his illustrations there. they're quite elaborate. the fda one out the outset. period, that period in he '30s, it was all illustration and photography came on and displaced the illustrators. but that was fascinating if you look at saturday evening post covers.

fortune magazine had some wonderful illustrated -- former is al capone and chief justice hughes. >> yeah. ribius did what vanity fair interviewsimpossible and judgment positions of unlikely characters talking to other. a whole veertz of these. "vanity one aspect of fair" magazine that i had that was popular. >> you have on your website, donate. strike that. >> that would be most helpful. donations and i find most valuable, i appreciate their financial support. do.please if you like what i'm doing, please donate? if you have done any donation s? >> no six-figure donations yet, i'm always optimistic. >> and do you have anything that want to change in this

website as you go along and watch people's reaction s? >> well, i'm changing. my way i go about building stories, i'm learning and i the way i -- the web is a very forgiving place. hen you do a story -- that's one thing about this. you can go back and you can improve it. things.rearrange there are a couple of stofrryes where i haven't gone back and revisions. i found more photos i was trying illustrate. something she was trying to say. so i'll add them. web is nice of the for a writer. it's -- you can really mold and construct stories and change things around. >> here's -- we started with and link wray and the appeared on the dick clark and american bandstand show, we have to ask you a question. are you a beatles fan or are you fan?vis >> i'm both, actually.

i'm probably more a beatles' fan. the '60s.d of i'm a boomer. nd there is, quite frankly, sort of a bias here for the boomers, there's probably more boomer stories than there should be. to correct that in the future. >> our guest for the last hour jack doyl, lives up ere 40 miles north of washington. created a website back in 2008. pop history dig.com. does it all himself. us. we thank you for joining >> thank you.

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