>> coming up next "newsmakers" would be chairman of the subcommittee on emerging threats. he talks about u.s./russia relations, al qaeda, and the palestinian/israeli peace talks. then tom cole hosting a town hall meeting followed by sheldon whitehouse. vincent gray and he faced each other in the most expensive elections in the recent history. early $5 million in an attempt to hold on. then send gray only raised one point $2 million but he won the public over. took officer great in 2011, brown would also run

for mayor in the hopes that he weighed pay and promised the job in exchange for this during the election. regulators soon discover that much of the story was true. they also uncovered a deeper seeker, the shadow campaign. >> you had a campaign that was the regular one you see and then another set of folks who were in an office right next the gray campaign. there is so much going on during the campaign, you have several theers complaining about other workers. they felt they were getting paid more. there was a lot of confusion as to who was paying them, etc. it was not until a year later folks started putting things together. they realize the folks who were next door, we cannot find any

record of them in the campaign enhance records. how did those folks get paid? who was in charge? dcnikita stewart looks at politics tonight at 8:00 on c- span "q and a." "newsmakers" >> our guest on "newsmakers" is -- our guest dana rohrabacher. he has responsibilities for issues involving russia and also looks at emerging threats. after the big decisions about u.s./russian relations in the summit, we thought it important to speak to him. let me introduce our reporters. lake town show is the deputy s.itor of their mea >> my first question is about what seems to be topic a this week.

subject you are deeply interested in and know a lot about. i am sure you are aware of the news that the white house decided to cancel this upcoming summit meeting between president obama and vladimir putin. i wanted to get your take. i know you have a different view than some in your caucus. think our relation with vital to our own national security. i would say the peace of the world. we have two major threats that we have to deal with if our people are to be safe. one is radical islamic terrorism, which is at our throat right now and murders our old. they wish they could murder as many of us as they could. the other threat is an emerging china that is an incredibly

totalitarian powers still. we were promised that they would moderate the rate they still have this horrible dictatorship. they would still make some a threat. we have these threats to deal with. we have this administration. we have many republicans as well pushing russia away, still thinking about russia as it was during the cold war. for the caused of peace or for as. >> is a possible you are being a little naive? >> russia is hosting edward snowden. most damaging history -- leaker in american history. this is what he did by

alerting the american people to over surveillance on the part of our own government, of our population to call him a , he was being loyal to the rest of us by letting the american people know their government was getting out of hand. when our government suggest that it has to keep a record of every phone call every citizen makes in order to protect does, it has gone too far. gave himthat russia i think is very symbolic. russia, a country which we wascked, and by the way i ronald reagan's speech writer for seven years and worked with of hismost if not many very hard-core speeches concerning the soviet union. inorked with the mujahedin

afghanistan fighting the soviet union. during those days, we were against the soviet union because i had too much control and surveillance over its own people. now many of the same people are claiming what the soviet union was evil about we can see in our own society. snowden was just alerting us to our government getting out of hand. russia accepting him for asylum i think was not as hostile and act as it is being portrayed. >> how would you have responded? would you have responded at all? i do not think mr. snowden should have had to basically seek asylum in other countries. he booked a contract with his employer to keep his mouth shut your it that he needs to be held

accountable. -- mouth shut. that he needs to be held accountable. people would have to decide whether or not his alerting the american will to and over surveillance and reaching way able washat is reason something he should be punished for. what i would have done in that situation, i would not have attacked president putin himself and treated him like the enemy for granting asylum when we needed his help. look. radical islamic forces are bit asng russians every much as they are murdering americans and people in the west. chinese threatened russia just as much as they are threatening the rest of the world. foreed russia on our side us to punch him in the nose

right now. it was not the right thing to do. a bit remisse be to ignore the fact that this has been on and on democratic -- undemocratic push, kicking out u.s. ngos. failing every attendee regions of the peaceful resolution resolution to the civil war in syria. it sounds like you are a bit of an apologist for the putin government. >> i think that you can be a patriot and want peace in the world and recognize that it's with russia and partnership with russia is essential to our national security. i think you have to be realistic.

, theing that russia litany you just went down -- they have not filed attempts to lead a peaceful resolution to the war in syria. >> let me put it this way. we have no business in syria. it is not an attack on the united states for russia to be involved in supporting a particular side in the syrian war. if they want to dissipate their resources by getting involved, they can do so. that is not an attack on the united states. we should not be involved there. the fact that we are trying to -- that not as next abuse as an excuse against radical islam is nonsense. i do not consider myself an apologist at all.

i have strong credentials to suggest that i would not let russia off when it is doing the wrong thing. but let me just note back to your question. it was predicated on the idea that putin is taking russia and direction.cratic it is this cold war mentality, i do not long -- know how much it has been sent to ben and russia, but the churches are full -- since you have been to russia, but the churches are full. engaged inople activities that were totally illegal during the communist time. oldave those stuck in the warm and talented that they cannot understand that russia is essential to our security and peace if we are going to protect ourselves against radical islam and china. >> i just want to jump in on

this story about syria. the new york times reported today that al qaeda leader has been in touch with the front that is by all accounts al qaeda's branch in syria. doesn't that concern you? should that not be something the white house should be worried about and engaged on? >> whose side are they on? the guys who are fighting beside that russia supported? what you wills find. i am not sure. the names i do not know, i do not know every name associated with every group. you will find that the al qaeda connections now are with those forces that are opposing assad and russia is supporting assad. we're supposed to be concerned about that. stay out of that. we do not need to get involved in another iraqi or syria. .e have had enough of this

the american people are war weary. that does not go to our national security interests. >> does that mean we should be happy to leave assad in power? >> no. it means we do not have any business determining who is in power and who is not in power in every country of the world spirit if we do, we are going to break our banks. i that our president when he sent our troops into iraq. worstsaid it was the mistake i ever made. we are now weaker because we are so engaged in so many distant countries. we should protect our interest when they are at stake. in syria, they are not at stake. i askedall due respect, hard questions of you. calling me an apologist is not a tough question.

it is a pejorative description. >> i appreciate the libertarian flavor of your box with regard to this. -- remarks with regard to this. are you confident that the obama administration has a coherent plan to intervene in syria if it become obvious that a large amount of chemical weapons are being used by either side? >> no. even if there are chemical weapons that are introduced, engage should not b ourselves in military operations in syria. i am afraid people kill and murder each other by the tens of thousands all over the world. we do not need to intervene everywhere. we are not the world's policeman. the fact is we need to maintain a very strong military force so

our own security interests are takinen care of. one of our main elements is to develop loews corporation with countries like russia with those who used to be -- develop relationships with countries like russia who used to be our enemies that can help us combat threats to both of our days incidenthese trying to look back on what it was like under communism. >> we are halfway through. >> let's talk about al qaeda a little bit more. we saw this week that the administration had decided to shut down embassies and consulates in about two dozen countries because there was this al qaeda. threat from we were not sure where they might attack your there was some strong intelligence indicating yemen branch had decided to launch some sort of attack against u.s. interests.

coming nearly a year after september 11 in the attack in benghazi, do you think the administration got spooked and went too far and closing these indices? do you think that was showing weakness to al qaeda? this.ould have to suggest i was not briefed on that particular alarm. i cannot say whether it was totally justified or not. during 9/11 i was that guy that stood up in the middle and said do not close the capital, that is a sign of weakness. when you're dealing with terrorist, you do not want to give them sign of weak to make them feel so proud that they have made us cowards in the face of their terrorist activity. i am not sure what they were trying to avert. it might have been better for us to the up security rather than

securityn -- beef up rather than close down operations in other countries. i have not been briefed on that threat yet. ,> speaking of this new evolving al qaeda terrorism threat. articulated that this new threat are al qaeda offshoots. it was revealed this week that there are federal charges, sealed federal charges against a fellow in libya who is suspected of involvement in last that killedattack jake christopher stevens in benghazi. some are saying this demonstrates the administration's desire to use

something other than drones, specifically the use of u.s. courts to pursue this evolving i'd against these localized threat. is that realistic in your mind? how is the united states going oxmanest someone like akama mutola? >> i do not have anything against drone strikes. i think the administration has not been doing a bad job when it comes to using drones to single out and to kill the terrorist who would harm our own people. i have no problem with that. if you cannot send a drone, maybe you could send some kind team into a place like libya or cut a deal with the libyan

government or pay off the libyan government to eliminate this are absolutely sure this person was engaged in . terrorist act why not? if we know this person was engaged with assassinating -- assassinations-- be made illegal by federal law quite a while ago. ]crosstalk >> sending a drone is legal but high-g a guy with a hyp powered rifle is illegal. it is that type of nonsense we have got to get over we're going to confront the radical islamic threat that will murder thousands of our people, even hundreds of thousands of our people if they get a chance. we are facing that type of threat. youcan send a drone but

cannot send a sniper. >> are you concerned about the fulcedent that the most power in regard to using drone strikes to kill people in other countries? i will have to say that i think we should use every technology we can to target s who arerorist murdering innocent, unarmed people in order to terrorize the populations. . to the rest of the world understands this. , they are our enemies. with every type of brutal authoritarian force in the world, we have to confront force with force. people say how horrible it is that you killed this guy with a

drone and it just happens that this person was murdering women in his own area for not wearing burke as. >> i am just asking the question 25 years inture of the future. i'm wondering if you see any problems with say if the russians wanted to decide if they went to to use drones in the republic to go after people they said were terrorists. s> maybe russia has terrorist and their part of the world as well. maybe the people i went to el recently with stevenson golf. most people do not even know that 120 children were blown up during a terrorist attack in a school. radical islamic terrorists. associated with russia because russia has a number of muslim republics with in its

jurisdiction. t we not bother me to know that russians are using drones to kill the people who murdered tookren, those people who over theaters in russia and have time and again actually gone out and killed innocent unarmed people to terrorize a population. >> i am going to jump in. we have only six minutes left. the administration has insisted that it needs the nsa and its spying programs to counter the terrorists. we need to be able to look at few indications and sometimes that means scooping up matt said... my e-mail subject lines and dates. the leaks.ay include

aren't you concerned that if you dial back too far on those kind of programs that the terrorist groups you're talking about going to be able to plan freely and perhaps attack the united r its interests? >> it is baloney. we have approved the following of terrorist communications from overseas, even those communications that go into the united states. when it comes to phone calls of every single american, they do not need to keep tabs on everyone of us us and what we are doing in order to support a terrorist attack, -- toward a terrorist attack that has an overseas connection.

if we want to be 100% safe from criminals we could just get the police to give us the power to tell us everything of what we do and to come up to every house at any time. that is not the way our freedom works. into this type of threat, i would rather see drones overseas than get the rights to our own government to snoopon everything -- on everything. you aremestic issues, pushing legislation that creates a federal bill that would reflect state laws that basically legalized medical marijuana and push toward the legalization of marijuana. do you feel like there's quite a bit of support on the other side

of the aisle? where are we at with that? was last session's bill. the bill that i am offering year would say that any state that legalizes marijuana use, the federal government should not then send our federal authorities in to enforce laws of the people of the state do not want. i do not knowat how much luck we are going to have and not. i would think this is an appropriate approach to the fact have a deficit we have to deal with, spending billions of dollars to try to prevent people from smoking a we they can grow in their backyard. it is absolutely absurd. it is a waste of our resources. a limited amount of

money we can spend on protecting our citizens from criminals. we have a judicial system, and carson ration system. to spend those valid resources incident of murderers and peopleand sent them on who smoke marijuana is a waste of resources. i would hope that my colleagues on the republican side can open up their eyes and understand .hat that is money we should be bringing down the deficit rather than spending it on things like this. >> s and. his comprehensive immigration reform going to pass congress this year? >> i do not know. we have to question whether our cut a deal with the democrats and the liberals

on this issue. has listened to those of us who are concerned about it. the fact is this immigration reform is not reforming our immigration system. we have the most generous immigration system in the world. we bring in more immigrants into our country legally than all of the rest of the countries of the world combined. that are millions more come every year and flood into our country, whether those people who come here illegally should have their steeds is -- have their status legalized. the american people are speaking with a loud voice. legalizee we owing to 20 million new all and the study shows that if we do that within 10 years we are talking inut 50 million new people the united states who are all poor and uneducated.

will totally change the political dynamics. it will bring down our economy. it will hurt ordinary americans. let ourto rise up and representatives know that we're not going to put up with this type of the trail of the american people. one little note. -- the betrayal of american people. one little note. the u.s. is composed of people from every race, religion, ethnic group. we are proud of that. we are proud of the legal immigration system. for us to spend huge amount of our resources on people who come which wouldly encourage more people to come here illegally is a betrayal of our american family. we should be concerned about our own americans rather than spending our limited resources on people who have come here illegally and thumbing their nose at us by breaking our law to be here. >> thanks so much.

we are a little overtime. thank you for joining us. dana rohrabacher who is the chair of the subcommittee that oversees your and others. thank you. >> thank you. >> let me start with our first topic, russia. the congressman called rush of vital to our national security. he emphasized how strategically important the relationship. what is the reality of russia's ability to influence our interest globally? think it was very important to during obama's errs term. 's firstded -- obama term. volume ofd this huge traffic, material and the nation, going into afghanistan to support the war effort. we needed them there. it was important to regulations medyedevmcafee of --

administration. president obama made huge promises about ridding nuclear weapons. one of his priorities was to get that agree to. now i think the reality is there's really not much that we can accomplish with russia together. i think the cancellation of this summit meeting was a reflection that there's not much of an agenda mups at all. >> eat -- agenda at all. arehe secretary of defense meeting with their counterparts in russia. conversations continued at a high level. >> a very high level. even all the things i mentioned int were moscow spitting the eye of washington. a lot of these things are largely inconsequential in the long-term relationship.

the administration is going to carry on having high level public and back channel communications with russia. we have generally positive relationships. 's closestobama advisers or say what do we really gain from spending a lot of time on russia? hrbacher, you cause him a libertarian. --howuld didn't sho reasonable are these? excited about their because of earsomewhat knee-jerk response to u.s. involvement in syria, saying no matter what the united states should not get involved even if there is wide spread chemical weapons use on either side. i think he is respected in washington because as -- because

he has always been someone you has said things that are on people's minds. in terms of big-time influence in the libertarian party, i am not sure how much there is. >> what about his position on edward snowden? >> that was really interesting. his views are kind of all over the map. he is very hard on immigration as you heard. up andn he is holding is a hero for exposing the nsa's operations. i wish is trying to highlight a contradiction. he is concerned about islamic terrorism here is the white house saying we need these to catch terrorism. where they --t were the libertarian ideology really came out. there are not too many people halalg to stand up and edwards noted as a hero. >> what about calling iraq the

worst mistake i ever made? do not know that he has said that repeatedly in the past or not. it is sort of the right thing to say. >> that is what i am wondering. has there been a re-visioning of their thinking about what happened there? is what isllout really driving a lot of the skepticism about u.s. involvement. it is fueling the guys like rand paul who are running against interventionism and come from that same libertarian mindsets. now you have this clash especially in the house between the rand paul mean and the more ish mean like john mccain who are really pushing for education and things all over

the world. it is interesting to see how that will play out. >> we did have a colorful conversation. >> i think some of the remarks he made about drone use really kind of exposes the lack of a very deep and serious debate in this country about the future of using drones. would you have a problem if russia was using drones on the chinese, he said i would not have a problem. that is a little his concerts and. >> inc. so much. we do not even get to half the questions. winky for your time in question. -- thank you for your time and questions. ♪ [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] >> rick santorum spoke yesterday at the family leadership summit. he gave his views on the

political process and how the republican party might move or word in future endeavors. remarkswatch the full later today at 6:30 p.m. eastern here on c-span. i am not some sort of anti- suburb person who thinks everybody needs to live in new york city. i was very sensitive to coming across as a condo dwelling elitist as some kind. that is not why i did this book. i understand why people like the suburbs. i get set up with a lot of daily life a lot. the trends were just some undeniable and the act that there is a shift in the way suburban american is perceived by the people that live there is .oo big a story to ignore >> were the american gene is moving.

>> c-span, we bring affairs in washington directly to you, putting you in the room at congressional hearings, white house event, briefings, and coverage. this is created by the cable industry 24 years ago and funded by your local cable providers. now you can watch this in hd. in norman,cole oklahoma. he spoke of the healthcare law, in this town, hall. > >> this was a bigger turnout than we usually get short of obamacare passing. thank you very much for taking the time to come.

there is c-span and send media here. you should be aware that they told us. not that we would tell you anything differently. let me quickly tell you how it works. normally i spend is about five or 10 minutes trying to say what i think is happening in washington and family (up for questions, any question is appropriate. he will stay here until every question you have is answered. if we have to leave the facility i will hang around outside do not worry that you will not be able to make your point or ask your questions. ,f you have a particular issue and might be a veterans are social security case, please make sure we get your contact data. we have staff here. they would be more than happy. we have to have privacy releases and work with you on those kind of things. if there is something that private that you do not want to

talk about in front of other people, that is fine. i will stay around. i would be more than happy to visit with you about that. unusual times. this is my hometown. this is where i have lived for 53 years years i am very routed this community . we have some people from fema here as well. if you have not registered, where it can at? at?here is pam they have done a phenomenal job trying to help our economy through an exceptionally difficult time. i had an opportunity to visit for the new schools are going and where the kids are going to be going and see the sights and visit with the superintendent yesterday. i know there are always issues and concerns. we never get anything right. i must say we have seen a fair

number of these things in this area. this has been a really model program in terms of trying to help the community get operational again. time is of the essence. if you have not registered any have a concern or need, please do that. august 19 is the last day. please do not let this opportunity slip by. they have not been able to deal with this. please let us know we will try to get them somehow. >> let me quickly talk to you about what is going on in washington. usually when i am coming into one of these meetings, someone is always nice and said how is it going in washington? might stock answer is it is just as bad as you think it is.

there are some difficult times and some really contentious issues. i am sure we will talk about them. let's talk about some good things. some good things that happened. you have a democratic senator, democratic, republican house. nobody will get everything they want. fight over sandy relief for the northeastern part of the united states. the passage of that legislation is what is helping us and more. it helps the fema disaster fund. it helped them through all this and will continue to help. that was actually pretty good. the government could have shut

down in march. it did not. there was extended funding through the end of september. we had the violence against women act as if anyone is for violence against women. that was a contentious issue that got passed. it helps people that are in a domestic violence situation. this problem got fixed in a bipartisan compromise. in one of the more contentious issues to actually have a republican house supporting a democratic president against the majority of the democratic members. do not the there is not some flexibility on those issues when you debate and discuss them. what is the bag? .t is kind of good, kind of bad 2.5 years ago a new congress

took office. the budget deficit was one point $4 trillion a year. it is down to about 650 billion dollars. it does come down a lot. that is still an extraordinarily high deficit. veryis going to be contentious in the years ahead. the bad part would be while congress has done something, it is not gotten all of its work done by a longshot. the senate has not not passed a single appropriations bill. he house has passed for out of 12. we each passed a farm bill. -- has passed four out of 12. we each passed a farm bill. not veryis working well. goesgly is what probably from labor day to about the end of the year. we have two big things in front

of us and another issue that i think will take longer to resolve that is in the mix. first, all government spending ends on september 30. that literally means if there's not a compromise reached, the entire federal government would shut down. that means like every civilian job at the air force base. it means this district has four veteran centers. veterans hospitals close down. the national weather center they gave us as much warning as you can get anybody about the tornadoes would not be operating. that is a contentious issue. we will also hit the national debt ceiling sometime between mid-november. not a shutdown scenario but if you do not resolve it, across the board 35% cut immediately. finally, the immigration issue

has been very contentious this year. the senate has passed the bill. it is not likely to be a bill that the house would pass. the house has passed for smaller bills through the judiciary committee. they have not come to the house floor. bigink there might be a immigration discussion late in the year. i think it will come after this government shutdown. this is still certainly in the next for this year. with that, i can drone on and on but i would rather cut it off and start answering your questions. >> we have microphones. they will get you a microphone. right up your. that i waiting whole audience cn hear your question. >> you have it turned on? it takes a minute to heat up. resident is

getting around congress by passing these executive orders, why is the republican not filing saywsuit and let the courts that it is unconstitutional what he is doing? president is getting around congress by executive orders and executive actions, why isn't congress filing a lawsuit? .> we are we have multiple subpoenas to force testimony. .here is legal action underway there are things congress can not appointing presidential nominees.

more than any president i recall operated outside the legislative framework. we went to war in libya. i would consider it more. --, talkfight 212, hot missiles the guys on the other side think it is a war. if george w. bush had done that i think he would have been the price for impeachment. we have part of our laws unilaterally suspended by the president. there's just a variety of issues like that where he is

going going outside. we have tension within our system. this is very serious. i think you will see it continue. there will be legal cases. i am going to try to bounce around a little bit. we will get to everybody. we're going to wear those legs out. >> i was concerned to find out out you are not in support of making the continuing resolution contingent upon removing what optional spending you can remove on obamacare. i feel strongly. i think others do. [applause] this is not theoretical for me. two weeks ago today my husband and i paid in cash for our son to have major surgery. that is a price i pay for the liberty of my children. i'm self-employed. i understand the consequence of that because i have limited options into our government. i understand that i pay for

limited coverage. i do not pay $1000 a month. i do not live for the government for recourse on that. individuals who are responsible and we will make that sacrifice for our child. even if you do not believe that it will pass or it is appropriate him you need to represent us. [applause] >> great question. i appreciate it very much. i do try to represent people here. tost of all, do i want defund obamacare? absolutely. i voted 30 times to delay it. sevene been able to pass pieces of legislation. a 1040not have to file on every $600 purchase. that was in the original law. congress got rid of that, republicans. part of this that

was an assisted little program -- assisted living program. agreed. democrats we were able to get that through. i still think there are parts of this like the tax on medical devices. can you imagine we're going to give you health care by taxing or artificialr limb? i know why it is being opposed. do you want to shut the government if you think that will achieve it? a little bitk to about the consequences about what a complete government shutdown is? >> your troops in the field do not get paid. of course i would not do that. that would happen. to your question and i will let you have the microphone again if you want to. .et me finish answering

you are free to follow up. that is true. we have four veteran centers in 15,000trict. we have defense workers. they are being furloughed right now. that would be a complete job loss. we have another 3000 or 4000. those things are real. just because you shutdown the government does not not meet the other side has to give them. .hey can pass this the senate will refund obama back-- obamacare, send it to us. and it would the up to us to shut down the government. politically that is extraordinarily dangerous. i do not think it will work. if it works that is one thing. i do not think it will. i think it will put millions out of work and really damaged the economy. >> i do understand that but i

think it is a false argument. ,he house could pass to version a continuing resolution that excludes obamacare that has that, granted, we know why the senate is going to do. we do. at some point obamacare was passed against the will of the people. we looked to our supreme court to step in. they failed us. we have looked to our congressmen and you guys have come in and say to get rid of it. this is our last chance. tois more than he was going win the political power play if we shut down government. what would the future of our country look like in a decade? what other tentacles are there? look at social security. i think that is worth the risk to also do not think it will

come to that. >> i think it would come to that. can finish my point, i think it would. i do not think it would work. it is do as we suggest, no problem passing the original bill without it. it is not going anyplace. it is going to have an attach to it and it will come back. think about the consequence of this kind of stuff in terms of people and facilities. i know you do, too. there has never been a poll that said it was popular. the american people to not give us the presidency and the senate. we actually lost ground in the senate. they house is the last thing ,etween a replay of 2009-2010 which is what we would see if

there is total democratic control in congress. cap in trade and cartridge -- and card check, those things would happen. what you have to say very considerably. i do not want to be disingenuous and tell you that i think shutting down the government is a good idea. i don't. this on isbeing that i told you thought that would work. i i am not the only guy that thinks so. i do not think frank lucas or tom coburn are dangerous liberals who also feel strongly about this. richard burr happen to be around for the last shut down. if it would, that is one thing. -- if it would work, that is one thing. people has jobs on the line. and our security as well. i think it would be very damaging. i'm going to be a hard sell on

that. i will keep listening and we will see what the legislative options are in september. great question. move over to the side of the room. give us a second and they will give you the microphone. >> if the government shuts down, does that mean the president and legislators do not get salaries as well? >> absolutely. [applause] was somehow motivate a senator or republican or a president to work on some sort of a in if they get a salary. salary.ey get no >> they certainly do that. neither would anyone at the tinker air force base. >> they will not let it go very long without getting salaries. they will work on it. that is just my thoughts as a citizen. >> i respect the opinion. i share it. i've had to do with the stuff

day after day. i think it is a terrible policy. frankly if we have had enough republicans in the house or the senate, it would not have passed in the first place. it barely passed as it was. every person in this date voted against it. -- in this state voted against it. thes not like we elected president. we did not. at the end of the day, shutting down the government is a very risky thing to do and not likely to work very let's go all the i could toback -- work. let's go all the way in the back. >> so many issues, so little time. i share their concerns. people have talked about obamacare and trying to do what we can do to stop that. i think the biggest part of their frustration that most of these people have is we say

this is going to be a monstrosity, please do something to stop it. essentially what we hear back is, we would try to do what we can but it is too hard. it is just too difficult. i think that really frustrates a lot of people, considering that want to goes into affect all the obamacareped up in really hit. it is really going to just really a lot of things and radically destroy the economy and country. no one really wants to see that happen. we see people on the other side who fight tooth and nail. at is the problem. they do not care what the rules are. they do not care what the code of conduct are. all they want to do is win. we're playing by by the rules. i think you are. they're playing dirty and we really are not. the issue i wanted to get to is the world that we find ourselves

in. the situation that is growing where right now you have the government agency in dollars that are going to fund the nsa who every three months is going to this fisa secret court that nobody can appeal to and they are getting more and to get records of every single american, ok? who -- you have an fbi he went to court to say toy do not need a warrant put gps tracking devices on your car. irs whose an official position is that that do not need a warrant to check your e-mail. they have targeted tea party groups. so far, nobody has really paid a price for that.

really the situation that i find, and i might be the only person who feels that, nothing theseng done rein in government agencies. from my perspective, the only privacy you really have is what the government says that you have. i was really pumped when he voted against this. i was really disappointed -- disappointed that he voted against restricting the nsa. you had an opportunity to do that. i would really like to know why you voted against restricting the nsa from collecting all of our data. nolan says there listening to our phone calls. -- no one is saying they are listening to our phone calls. if you really thought it was not such a big deal and there is no expectation of privacy, when can we expect you to publish

your cell phone calls online so we know who you call? >> great question. [applause] that is a great question. i think this is one of the most important discussions and debates in the country. i think it will continue to be. debatehe eternal between liberty and security. let's talk about the nsa vote. toyou have additional stuff throw when we will give you the opportunity to do that. i look at this issue really carefully. number one, nobody likes the fact that in the government government agencies collecting massive amounts of data. they certainly have the ability to know who you have called. we have had federal judges look at this and say it is constitutional.

, we know wedecide have stopped about 50 terrorist to ak from information lot. on theat who is intelligence committees. one of the guys on the intelligence committee is tom coburn. i was at the meeting with him. i watched and stand up and said this had the best oversight, the most accountable, and was saving american lives. 13 out of the 14 voted that way. both the speaker and the minority leader's book that way.

look at the irs are exactly right. absolutely horrific abuse of power. cases havedividual come forward. two that have been the eater of this country in the last decade feel the same way. now, i said i think this is a really important debate to have. and i told him in conference, i do not lean you for using the only legislative vehicle we is towhat we really need have a serious hearing investigation where you actually hold people accountable and you look at