the u.s. and global oil industry. >> violence is simply not a solution in egypt or anywhere else. violence will not create a roadmap for egypt's future. violence only in either the transition to an inclusive civilian government, a government chosen in free and fair elections that governs them a critically, consistent with the goals of the egyptian revolution. and violence and continued political polarization will only further terror the egyptian economy apart and prevented from jobs in theviding

future that people of egypt want so badly. ♪ host: good morning. the comments of secretary of state john kerry condemning the violence in egypt on what was lastloodiest day since month overthrow of president morsi. congress rates and recess. the president is doing his weeklong vacation at mothers -- at martha's vineyard. the muslim brotherhood is calling for a demo stretch and in cairo to protest the death toll yesterday. now at 421. another 3500 were injured. 43 policemen and a western journalist among those killed. it is thursday morning, august 15. ahead on the "washington journal ," your reaction to the latest development in egypt and what the u.s. response should be. you should join the conversation at (202) 585-3880, our line for republicans. (202) 585-3881 for democrats. we also have our line for independents at (202) 585-3882. join us on facebook, send us a tweet, or e-mail address,

journal@c-span.org. at somegin with a look of the headlines from outside the u.s., the "guardian" newspaper -- egypt's bloody crackdown. when the story first went to prince, the death toll was 200 78. overnight, the death toll has been updated to 421. there is this from the "miami killed asundreds egypt's forces storm the protest camps. a similar headline from "usa today," egypt the reps in chaos. -- a reps and chaos. from the "wall street journal" website -- egypt's military regime a reps setting off a day of violence that left at least 421 people dead. the government fractured and ties with its international partners in tatters. cairo streets were calm this morning following the curfew overnight with funerals for the dead.

further protests expected later in the day. the mother -- muslim brotherhood sympathizers a storming police stations wednesday, burning churches, battling with government supporters in several neighborhoods. already some of you weighing in on our twitter page. the issue of u.s. aid, we do provide well over $1 billion every year. this view saying -- so are we still giving "aide" to egypt, and if so, why? state is joining us from atlanta, independent line. caller: good morning. i think the united states should egypt, wegive aid to never should have supported the old regime there. wonderful reaction that the people in egypt see, they were being ruled by a bunch

of terrorists. , islamic muslims extremists. we should support them militarily. islamicd hope that the brotherhood, members of that are wiped out, dead. we should support that militarily. we should send troops to help them. that is my comments. oft: this photograph, one many in the thursday morning papers, from page of the "miami herald." an excerpt in just a moment, egypt's violence shows waning u.s. influence. gilbert joins us from tulsa, oklahoma. good morning. morning.ood the best government is military. we need to start minding our business. we have enough to take care of here in oklahoma, especially, but this country as a whole. we have all kinds of things

crossing our southern border. where are we going 7000 miles to get in somebody else's business? massing --dying in in massive numbers. let me say something about us giving aid to egypt that is just a transference of money. the money that we are sending -- it is not going over there, it is coming back here through the military contractors who sent military materials back to egypt. that is not money to egypt. care ofto start taking our cities especially. our inner cities are worse than what is going on in cairo. thank you. showing some been scenes from yesterday curly -- first -- courtesy of al jazeera. joining us from mesquite in michigan, democrats line. caller: good morning.

what he had to say it the way i feel about it myself. like you say, when we send all the money over there, we have been doing it for i don't know how long, when people here can't even get a minimum wage rates, we are just wasting money over there. the money is not going over to help those people -- they are helping the military. what the man said just before me, it is all coming back in the military contracts. obama should keep his nose out of this because we at racism ofng on, we got all kinds white supremacy, and fox news is one of them. don't cut me off for saying this, but you know, this country has a lot of problems of their own. overe are always running trying to take care of other peoples conflicts. it is time for it to stop --

there is nothing we can do about it over there too much. host: thank you for the call. dean has a point on our twitter page -- our president peace prize winner will have us in a regional war, if not a world war if left unfettered. let me surelines, he with you the comments of carol lee, this piece from the egyptstreet journal," violence shows waning u.s. influence. they write the relationship between the u.s. and egyptian military government is breaking down host: again, that this morning from inside the "wall street journal." here is more with secretary of state john kerry as he spoke

briefly to reporters. [video clip] >> all of the other parties, all of the opposition, all parties also share a responsibility to avoid violence and to participate in a productive path towards a political solution. there will not be a solution through further polarization. they can only be -- there can only be a political solution by bringing people together with a political solution. so this is a pivotal moment for all egyptians. the path toward violence leads only to greater instability, economic disaster, and suffering. the only sustainable path for either side is one toward a political solution. i'm convinced from my conversations today with a number of foreign ministers, including be foreign minister of egypt -- i am convinced that that path is, in fact, still open, and it is possible, though

it has been made much, much harder, much more collocated by the events of today. of the 2011 revolution has simply never been fully realized. the final out low -- outcome of that revolution is not yet decided. in the hoursaped ahead, in the days ahead. it will be shaped by the decisions which all of egypt's andtical leaders make now in these days ahead. the world is closely watching egypt. it is deeply concerned about the events that we have witnessed today. the united states remains at the ready to work with all of the parties, and with our partners, and with others around the world in order to help achieve a peaceful, democratic way forward. secretary of state kerry yesterday here in washington. again, the death toll this morning now is 421 in egypt. our four lines are open, (202)

585-3881 is our line for republicans, (202) 585-3880 is for democrats, and (202) 585- independents. from the "washington post," this editorial, the headline egypt erupts host: the editorial this morning

from the "washington post." frank is joining us, tulsa, oklahoma. good morning, independent line. caller: good morning. listen, since the beginning of president obama's terms in office, he has been preaching to the muslim brotherhood over in egypt when he went over there and made speeches, and all over the middle east, telling those people that he was going to strengthen islam. he has restored the caliphate to what it was several hundred years ago by giving them egypt, libya, the sudan, and taking out the dictators of that weren't islamic and turning it over to the muslim brotherhood. he gave the libyans $30 billion that the united states was

holding in libyan funds. the brotherhood gets rejected by the freedom-loving of egyptians. they put a coward like john kerry up there to preach to them about violence while we are killing 35,000 babies a day here in the united states. will listen to him, they are as stupid as he thinks they are. that is all i have got to say. host: some of you are also weighing in on our facebook page. you can join our conversation, facebook.com/cspan. jesse norman -- our tax dollars at work, b cia. david says that it is not a coup, let's keep sending them more financially, debts and takes just like the 400 missiles smuggled through benghazi and all the arms distributed to al qaeda in syria. and daniel has this point -- holy moly, i had no idea what was getting that bad. things are not turning out for

the better for them. ase's, -- stop before and eight. you can send us a tweet. here he is joining us from pennsylvania. is joining us from pennsylvania. caller: good morning. i understand these numbers are going to rise as more casualties lineup. my question is, we help with the muslim brotherhood into power, and it is horrible that these people are dying and all, but how many people have the muslim brotherhood target for slaughter, men, women, children, simply because they believe that jesus christ is who he says he is, he is lord and savior, and they get massacred for that, but we are upset that the massacres are getting massacred anin turn. host: this is from the "new york times," hundreds of egyptians

killed in government rates, emergency declared as sectarian violence spreads. again, more than 3500 is the number of individuals who have been wounded as a result of what is joining us next from new york, republican line, good morning. caller: yes, good morning, the egyptian government is doing what the american government should be doing, and that is killing terrorists in mass. the two most hated people in andt are not george bush benjamin netanyahu. it is president obama and patterson. when the egyptians were government,he morsi patterson asked the christian leaders not to take part in a protest. booked -- she was bluntly told to shut up and mind her own business. obama backs terrorists. host: thank you for the call.

street9 of the "wall journal." ats really began on july 3 the military deposes president morsi, you can see how the events have unfolded over the last five weeks. ambassador syed spoke here in washington at the institute yesterday, provided a timeline of how things unfolded. it is part of an event that we covered, runs just over an hour. it is available online at our website at www.c-span.org. here is a portion. [video clip] >> polarization of the country. an environment of finances of ,hem, determination, exclusion on a religion basis. fanaticism, discrimination, exclusion, on a religious basis. between whoever is non-muslim

brothers and the muslim others, no matter to which religion he or she belongs. for the first time, we found that this kind of polarization is effecting the human relations between the people themselves, i mean, we found the egyptian behavior, which is very well known with tolerance and peace latitudes, is changing. second, complete absence of security. risenf crime has dramatically. people are starting to feel for the first time in the history of egypt that we are unsafe. why? because the police was fragmented. you know what happened in january, weapons were smuggled, old prisoners were out. this is another long story. is, security was rather

absent. visiting as foreigners , if you go beyond certain areas, you would be advised to watch or maybe some of you were subjected to certain harassment. host: investor -- ambassador saad made his comments, providing his timeline of how the events unfolded over the last five weeks. in an editorial this morning from the "new your times," military madness in cairo, again focusing on u.s. influence. in the concluding paragraph of the "new york times" editorial

host: the editorial this morning from the "new york times." insight is an an analysis piece -- inside is an analysis piece. they write host: in tunisia, increasingly bitter divisions have delayed the drafting of a new constitution, and now egypt, often considered the trendsetter of the arab world, army and security forces have killed hundreds of his supporters, declared a state of emergency, and worsened a deep polarization third that is from the "new york times."

your calls and comment on the situation in egypt, again, 421 dead, more than 3500 have been injured. the next call is august from missouri, independent -- is bob from missouri, independent line. caller: i think we need to stop the foreign aid over there and let the people make up their own minds. about what they're going to do. we just keep throwing more money improve. things don't stop all of this. just stop it. and all of these people that they would need to do something andine, become a mercenary go over there and help them. stop spending our money. we have problems here on, need to be taken care of. host: if we eliminate the foreign aid, does that further reduce whatever influence we have in egypt? caller: at this point, i really don't care. look at all the damage that we have done. we just keep throwing money and

throwing money at problems that never get fixed. we have got problems here that we need to take care of. thank you for the call. (202) 585-3880, our line for democrats, give us a call, share us your thoughts. our line for1, republicans. and also welcome our listeners coast-to-coast on xm channel 119, the program also streams on the web at www.c-span.org. there is this on our twitter page -- the muslim brotherhood attitude is "we stole it fair and square," rather than admitting popular dissatisfaction with their power grab. the headline from the "washington times," egypt's streets of blood. jay is joining us next from pennsylvania, republican line. good morning. caller: yes, hello. i just don't think we should give any aid either anymore. , but astand the reasons

lot of times i noticed that we always seem to go to war to save muslims and never save christians, like the one dude was saying. we have gone to war for years to save muslims in bosnia, that was for muslims, kuwait, of course oil was a part of it. afghanistan more sent to an ide al to help little kids there in building schools. we don't go to war to save the christians in sudan who were butchered by the hundreds of thousands by the muslims. we never even hear about sudan. i never knew why we could not have any kind of no-fly zone to stop those militias from going in there and mentoring -- and murdering the black questions. whenever save the christians in nigeria. every christmas i read about their church is being burned. whenever go to save -- christians are in trouble, all the things like that.

that is all it wanted to say. i don't know why we him as a christian nation, i don't know, we seem to never worry about our own kind. also, remember people from academia, people like obama and others, who spent their whole lives in a warm, cocoon, and they talk about revolution. they actually think this is kind of like the revolution that we had. democracy took hundreds and hundreds of years of evolution in europe, european christian dumb, it did a magna carta, a renaissance, enlightenment, it is never going to happen over there. -- also, going back to even 1914, as far back as 1755, whenever there was a conflict in europe, we could halt migration in europe until that hornets nest could calm down. where we continuing to allow

student visas to exist, 7 million muslims here and we are already altering our way of life , what happens when there are 40 million muslims in america? these images that's we see of burning vehicles, they will be everyday. host: ok, to a for the call. this is from marie -- obama got us into this debacle in egypt prompting me muslim brotherhood. there is this headline, the journalists among the dead in egypt, including the husband and a former "post" reporter who was killed. more details on mick deane, who was killed in cairo. a statement from the british prime minister david cameron who paid tribute to the reporter on twitter -- i am sad to hear the death of cameraman mick deane. my thoughts are with his family and a sky news team. my next call is rich from fairfax, virginia. republican, good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call.

i was disgusted last night was watching the news, and i saw a caterpillar bulldozer into their where thesehe area people were. that equipment i'm sure was bought with money the united states gave the egyptian army. i just think of how that equipment is used in this country, to build things, and we are over there destroying stuff. it just makes me sick. we need to stop the money we are giving them because our heritage, everything is attached to that. you look at the name caterpillar, and it means united states of america. people with him 16 16-a1's. our name is all over this. host: ok, thank you for the

call. these pictures courtesy of al jazeera. you can see the same throughout egypt. the next is steve joining us from brooklyn, new york. good morning. caller: good morning. the "new york times" is a good parameter. we should cut off military aid to egypt. i think it is utterly ridiculous. that is going to undermine -- one of the biggest problems in egypt was that the economy was going in shambles under the muslim brotherhood. now we want to cut off all aid? we're areilitary -- not talking about the united states of america. egypt is not a democracy. brother what or not. cutting off aid would be the worst possible thing to do. one other thing -- it is ironic that of all the regions the obama administration is involved in, when it comes to israel, the only stable democracy, here you undermine coming to

-- harebrained idea of trying to make peace. with who? a, the person who supports terrorists? i agree with the fact they do not want to cut off the aid -- host: fairness to the peace talks, all parties have agreed to, the israeli government, the palestinian government, and the u.s. caller: that is true, but what is behind the scenes? how much pressure? benjamin netanyahu basically wrote a book about not releasing terrorists, and then he is giving up terrorists to go to negotiations. i can imagine the pressure, especially coming from kerry. i think he has no clue about the region. an illegalout they say they are

against continued illegal settlements. this is a person who does not really have a good grasp of the region. where come into this mix it is a flame all over, and trying to staple the whole try to makeo something, it is not going to happen. it is just going to cause more destabilization, when the focus should be on things which are really dangerous to our country, which people are not even talking about this point -- iran and other places. yet he is coming along and saying he will be the peacemaker. host: let me just follow-up in one point. i understand where you're coming from, but if you are not talking to each other, what is the alternative? caller: you are right! that is the $64,000 question. there might not be a good alternative. at this point, you have to keep destabilization, maybe interim

agreements. ironic, out of all the places where the arab population, throughout the arab region, the one place that is relatively stable, is in israel come a you know, i am not saying it is perfect, but it is more stabilized than any other place. you just said earlier, tunisia -- host: i will stop either, thank you for your comments,. a couple of the views of other headlines from the "hartford ourant," egypt arrests send you can see the death toll there. the "atlanta journal- constitution," ejection forces killed scores of protesters. x," there iswsma

administration, -- rumsfeld to news max -- obama's botched handling of egyptian crisis written's region. threatens region. the new secretary of state, mr. kerry, has been dealt a difficult hand, said don rumsfeld, he said the situation in the come -- and the country had not been handled by the president or by former secretary of state hillary clinton. it seems to me it was not a terribly skillful way to deal with the situation in egypt. that this morning from "newsmax." back to recall, john, independent line. good morning. go-ahead, please. [indiscernible] -- burned and churches.

as many as 40 churches have been burned. billy thing left are the christian stores and the christian houses. but the only thing you talk about is how many deaths of the muslim brotherhood. host: are you from cairo? caller: i am from armenia. my family are locked down behind the doors. i am really desperate about what comes across to the united states. host: ok, thank you for the call. this is one of the many photographs, and you can see using the lids of garbage cans among other items to protect themselves on the shrapnel. the headline from the "washington post," morsi supporters take cover during the clashes near one of the mosques in the cairo.

kathy is joining us from newark, new jersey, democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning. i just woke up and turned on c- span, and i can't believe the racism i hear. people in this country, the way they depict muslims -- it is horrifying. out,mubarak was taken there was a huge vacuum in egypt. the muslim brotherhood were organized. that is how they were able to take over the country. morsi is no saint. as far as the other guy talking about israel, they are illegal settlements. they are illegal settlements. that is my comment for this morning. host: ok, kathy, thank you for the call. this is another photograph from inside the "washington post." you can see what is a makeshift morgue as dozens of the bodies are inside this facility. again, the death toll -- 421.

it is expected to go higher later today. cindy has this point on our twitter page -- there will never be "peace" in the middle east! next is john from louisiana. good morning. caller: good morning. my common is that as unfortunate as this is, the islamic brotherhood and morsi, i think, could be analogous to adolf hitler and the not the spirit the muslim brotherhood is the organization that al qaeda's ring from. they are radical jihadist. they have fomented violence here, and they are turning public opinion, including american public opinion, against the egyptian army, which is in fact the only stabilizing force over there. people make a big deal out of saying -- but they were democratically elected. so was adolf hitler. that is my comment. thank you. host: john, thank you for the call. from "reuters" this morning,

egypt muslim brotherhood thing it would take down the military coup but stressed it would remain pinned minute to -- remain committed to a peaceful struggle. the crackdown yesterday defined western -- defining western appeals for a peaceful resolution. the military's removal of president morsi's last month prompting international stamens of dismay and condemnation and also the announcement yesterday that the vice president was stepping down as a result of the violence, there is also the statement from the secretary of state, john kerry, who delivered his remarks yesterday here in washington. another round of demonstrations expected later today. , that is our line for democrats. (202) 585-3881 for republicans. by the way, you can also send us a tweet if there is topic that you are interested in. that's week is @cspanwj.

photographs from the "washington post," including one member of the security or so, a supporter of the ousted president morsi, who was injured at the process can near cairo university. year as forces clearing the swept armored vehicles. the pictures of all of those vehicles that had been used in the demonstrations yesterday 421.killed more than charles is joining us, woodbridge, virginia, republican line, good morning. caller: good morning to it i've just been listening a little bit, and for those saying they need to cut off the aid, they really do not understand what they're talking about. they have never been over there. until you have been over there in egypt or the middle east, you are looking at it from basically american values. for lack of a better term. you just can't because arabs and muslims over there are completely different, and their lives are different than the way

we live here. egyptian military -- egypt has a lot of christians. it has a lot of many religions. it has worked really well, believe it or not. i'm sure it has had its negatives. but egypt is actually a great country over there. i think what they're trying to do is just try their best, although it is really terrible right now, to keep that balance in order. were things with morsi were going the wrong way not only in that regard but also economically. ix thehow do you f situation? what is your solution, or what should the u.s. response be? caller: we should continue with the agreement that we had with them, maybe work feedback channels. but certainly on the front, stay out of it, let the magician people stay out of it, even if it is with the military. this is how it went down when my wentwhen out -- when he

out, and they will try again, and that is really the way it is. have peace. will host: from page of the "chicago jesse junior sentenced to 30 months for looting his campaign fund. his wife, sandi, serving a 12 month sentence, and her sentence will be served after her husband's is released. congress and jackson engaged in what he called a staggering seven-year stretch of stealing money from his own campaign, including more than $43,000 for a gold-plated rolex watch. in total, about $750,000 was siphoned from his campaign fund for personal use. the headline is money from the "chicago sun-times" has judgment day -- a photograph of both congressman jackson, who is 48 years old, and his wife. judgment day -- you knew better. next is dave joining us from

crockett, texas, good morning. caller: hello? yes, i would like to make a comment. you know, before time was ever recorded over in the middle east, then people have been fighting each other for years, thousands of years. and for the united states to think that they're going to send aid and change their way of living is complete idiocy. this government -- we have got so much wrong with our own country. ok, thank you for the call. from inside "usa today," in anticipation of the upcoming 50th anniversary of the march on washington, which will take place on august 28, the mlk memorial repair will not be finished, although work on fixing the quote does not an exact quote from dr. king will continue after the august 20 anniversary, and we will have life coverage from the ceremonies the weekend prior.

and president obama, who is scheduled to deliver remarks on wednesday morning, august 28, to commemorate dr. king's remarks 50 years ago. clinical story from -- a ,"litical story from "politico hillary clinton is fielding offers from universities including harvard and heard law school alma mater yell university, a move that would -- to start a program in clinton's name, the rebranding be school of public all of the after the former secretary of state event just to clinton on an academic level beyond scoble for policy interest would be huge for someone considering a presidential run. it would also provide her with a federal backdrop for speeches and events that would take her outside the hotel ballroom or something's bonds are by her family -- or something sponsored by her family's foundation.

again, hillary clinton considering academic pouches that she also looks at a potential 2016 race. a programming note for you -- tomorrow in iowa, senator clover klobuchar,nator life, and getting underway at 7:00 eastern time, 6:00 local time. robert is joining us, oxford, mississippi, independent line. turning back to the situation in egypt, 421 dead. your thoughts. caller: i want to throw in after hearing dave from texas, but i lived in cairo this past fall as a student. i wanted to say that the completelyere are spotless in comparison to the politics here. in regards to deception of the public, deception of the western media. a few minutesller

ago, i have to agree with him, the muslim brotherhood is definitely trying to turn the western eye against the military. from what i can see when i was there, the reason -- there are a lot of deaths now, the muslim brotherhood are using force and are dying because of it because the military are defending themselves, but their were much fewer deaths earlier last fall because there protesters wanted democracy and there were peaceful process. the muslim brotherhood was using force. it looks bad for the military. that is my opinion. host: two were for the call. "usa today: egypt iraq than chaos. "washington times," one us in our generals to cairo? bestca's top could be the reason with egypt's rulers. if dell is joining us from staff is joining uselle

from staten island, new york. caller: where are the democrats this morning yo? have people forgotten that the data president morsi stood side- theide to stand up for palestinians during the last conflict they had in egypt, i knew that day that that man was finished. hillary clinton raise him, everyone praised him for bringing this conflict between and israel to a close, and shortly afterwards, you have all of this uprising. that is all i have to say. people have a short memories. the day he said with the palestinians, which no other person would do, he was finished. thank you. host: thank you for the call. the opinion section of the "wall street journal," the author is a senior fellow at stanford, he has a couple of points on the "wall street journal," he points out that

host: this morning from inside the opinion section of the "wall street journal." next is a viewer from new york. good morning, independent line. what's i am afraid in egypt is what we had seen in out. in the 1990's when the muslim group over there -- they were denied and they went to the

jungle. sadly, what the muslim brotherhood -- even if they did not administer their country very well, they had the right to govern this country and morsi should have been in power until his term ended. unfortunately, the whole world is trying to see the other way, now egypt is in bloodbaths, the country is polarized. now people are telling me that the muslim brotherhood is attacking christians. egypt is in turmoil. american leadership is nowhere. for the, thank you call. one of our viewers has this suggestion with regard to egypt -- to end the violence, military should reinstate morsi under condition that new elections be conducted within 30 days from reappointment. and foreign-policy observer david ignatius is writing about the "washington post," serial, shattered. he begins by pointing out

host: he begins his piece this morning in the "washington post." our last caller on the situation in egypt comes to us from ann arbor, michigan, a democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. some things are missing in this debate. one, all of the photograph their of ammunition and arms. they were uncovered in the camps, inside cairo by the muslim brotherhood. the other item is 35 million people are protesting the role of morsi and his allies. theith anything, and american administration's viewpoints, and the american media viewpoint. these two items should be brought up so that some

reasonable accommodation can be reached. thank you. host: thank you for the call. from inside the "washington jack" the passing of germond, who covered aid series of political pieces. he passed away over the weekend. germond, a syndicated columnist, who became -- and championed horserace politics. he died on august 14 at his home in trust town, west virginia. he was 85 years old. the obituary points out that as the washington bureau chief of one of the leading newspaper in chains in the country and later a columnist for the "baltimore son," he was a dominant figure in political journalism spending almost 25 years with his byline. howe is one analysis about he was able to cover politics so closely or at -- closely.

germond made his host: jack germond, who passed away earlier this week at the age of 85. by the way, he has made nearly 40 breath -- 40 appearances and c-span's video library. you can check out all of his appearances and all of our coverage anytime at www.c- span.org. in boston over the next couple of days, the focus is on the republican national committee and the rebranding of the gop.

beginning yesterday with newt gingrich, he talked about alternatives to the present's health-care law. a reporter is turning us on the phone who is covering it for "politico." walk through the agenda today and tomorrow, what does the rnc hope to accomplish? guest: from the short-term perspective, the rnc is taking a look at the best way to courtney with state parties across the country as they look ahead to the off year elections this year in virginia and new jersey, and had to 2014. something they're really talking about is a permanent campaign infrastructure. they're ready, and their visible in all kinds of communities across the country in time for 2014 -- 2016. they're launching a new program called the rising stars program, and what they're trying to do is

highlight forces within the republican party that may be considered newer voices of the party, they want to profile them and feature them pretty prominently in highlight the diversity that they are seeking to promote. by the formers speaker newt gingrich, and you write about him this morning politico.com, zero options for replacing health care zero ideas as how newt gingrich put it. guest: of course. that speaks to one of the other pieces, coming from republicans who are taking a debate this as a central as to what we should be doing about health care. of course, obamacare is quite unpopular among republicans, but some people are looking at it through the lens of what would they do in terms of triggering a permit shutdown, and some are

saying is pretty important to keep trying to move forward on scaling back the law. that is a central debate. certainly notable coming from mr. gingrich. glueck, becoming the topic of reg out. what is that mean for the rnc? the overarching message concerning reaching out to more diverse communities. they are concerned about a long- term basis. communities were republicans may be did not always think they could play before. they're looking at raising that up early, building permanent things and all kinds of places, not just an republican voting communities, but in a diverse array of neighborhoods, hoping contactincreasing voter and by broadening that base they

will be able to kind of further expand that republican brand. host: two upcoming items i would like to get your reaction to -- first, governor chris christie, one of two gubernatorial races. he will be addressing the rnc, but it is closed to cameras. guest: which is interesting. they do that sometimes. not everything is open to the press. it would have been interesting to see how chris christie brought his message to the rnc. he is one of the top people in the party. is looks to be a top possible presidential contender. maybetainly would have liked to have seen what he was going to say. at the same time, that is something that they sometimes do. host: finally, the rnc chair making some headlines when he called on both abc and cnn

to stop these production of the documentaries or miniseries on former secretary of state, former secretary hillary clinton. what will the rnc specifically be voting on? guest: there really upping the ante on this front. thatman priebus has said if these networks don't move away from their film focusing secretary of state hillary clinton, then the rnc does not want to partner with them for presidential debates going forward. it will be interesting to see kind of who ends up coming out on top in that standoff as we move forward. , who istie glueck following the rnc summer meeting, her work available online at politico.com. thank you for much for being with us. of course you're watching c- span's "washington journal" for this thursday morning. we will now turn attention to

the summer recess, the hearings that are taking place, town hall meetings on immigration and the president was the health care law. the affordable care act. coming up in just a moment, brad woodhouse, president of americans united for change, former longtime sponsors of the democratic national committee. later, andy roth from club for growth. the conservative advocacy group is focusing on this year and next. "washington journal" continues for this thursday morning. we are back in a moment. ♪ >> what is interesting about washington in this age is that once you have that title, even if it is a very, very short title, even if it -- even if you had been voted out after one term, you can stay in washington and be a former chief of staff, a former commerce and, a former chief of staff to a congressman. and that itself is marketable.

you are in the club. striking departure from the days in which people would come to washington to serve a little bit and then go back to the farm, which is i guess how the fark -- the founders had intended it. there is a new dynamic there, and a lot of it starts with the money and the money and resources available for people to do very well here. >> sunday night, mark leibovich with an insider's look at media in washington on c-span's q&a. >> this is a place where you have to know what yo are about because there are going to be other people who want to tell you what you are about, and those he will do not have your best interest in mind. so that is where a kind of lives -- a kind of survivalist manhood of being fixed to what i am, an open question is how much -- is that you need to prisons, that how most americans are, strangely absolutists and

pluralist at the same time, my truth is the one true truth, but i recognize your right to have a wrong truth. i don't know the answer to that question. >> joshua dubler on religion and theology. sunday night at 9:00 on afterwards, part of booktv this weekend on c-span2. >> "washington journal" continues. to welcome back brad woodhouse, former spokesperson for the democratic national committee, and now president for americans united for change, which is what? guest: it is a progressive group. it was founded about eight years ago to fight president bush's social security. once up i was overcome a morphed into an organization that really focuses on progressive causes across the spectrum. mostly economic or do we are very involved the summer on

going on offense on the obamacare, reporting immigration reform. we have been involved in the debate to reduce gun violence, so we are involved in the big issue of the day. it is not dissimilar to some of the stuff i was doing at the democratic national committee, except here we are really focused on look, we would like to get some votes to get some things done, and we would like to obvious they make sure obamacare is firm and in place and implemented very well. host: let's move to some of the issues on this thursday morning. from page of the "houston chronicle," yet another look on immigration, and the young immigrants moving out of the shadows. focusing in part that would allow illegal immigrants' chi ldren to move to a path to citizenship. guest: i'm not sure what that means. if that means their parents, their family members, perhaps even their spouses, have to stay in the shadows, it just does not seem like the right way to go.

and i thinked -- people have recognized -- we need both common sense and copperheads if immigration reform. we should not split up families, we should not deport mothers and fathers and allow the children to stay here without their families. i am glad to see they are moving in the direction of something, and something that rates -- that relates to legalization or path to citizenship for some citizens, but we have got to move a little bit further, especially on the right. this can be done. you can reach a compromise that includes their priorities, which include a border security, and the priorities of others, particularly on the left, which is a comprehensive approach to a path to citizenship. host: we know the senate has passed, we know the house is looking at, we have not heard details from the speaker of the house, john boehner, he told bob

schieffer on "face the nation" two weeks ago that he is a facilitator when it comes to immigration reform. what does that mean? guest: i'm not sure what that means. we all have respect for speaker boehner, but it seems like he is instead of leaving the house at the speaker, he is allowing the house to lead him. getly, you know, big things through when there is leadership from the top. obviously, that is not mean ramming anything down peoples throats. the committee process needs to work. but he stepped back and allowed a lot of the keep -- the tea party caucus in the house to really run things. i think he -- quite frankly, there was an almost two attempts against them at the beginning of this congress. i think he is a little afraid to get out there too far on something that is still very controversial in the tea party part of the house. host: look at it objectively, what do you think an immigration

package would look like if it passes the house and the senate? guest: i think there are things that have pretty broad agreement, especially in the public. that is that everyone needs to play by the same set of rules. one is bringing undocumented immigrants into the process among making them go to the back of the line, learning was, pay a fine -- learn english, pay a fine, and get in line with everyone else to see a path to citizenship. it will take many, many years, and the requirements would need to be met, but what it needs to be as comprehensive. it needs to deal with the problem that we have at hand, which is a drag on our economy, it is obviously a political issue that is dominating too much discussion when we need to totalking about other ways create jobs and move the economy forward. it has to have the elements of not the appearance of letting people get away with breaking

the law, but also understand that we are not going to round up people and deport them, we are not going to split up families, we need a path to citizenship. i think that is the key. host: let's turn to the affordable care act. a tea party group taking aim at the affordable care act. let's watch. [video clip] >> two years ago, my son began having seizures. the medical care he received met the world to me. now, i am paying more attention and asking questions about obama care. dr., how pick our own do i know my family is going to get the help they need? trust the folks in washington with my family's health care? i think we all deserve some answers. of course, brad woodhouse, all of this coming in at the augmentation of the health care act takes place beginning october 1. your comments. guest: i think it is unfortunate. it is factually incorrect, most

of that ad. you have seen stories, i am sure you have discussed them on this show, of premiums in california, premiums in new york, falling dramatically as we increase competition, these exchanges are increasing competition, people are going to get access to healthcare, even if they have a pre-existing condition. the most frustrating thing is the bill that passed was not the ideal of progressives. it was not the ideal of people who participate in our organization. but it was a solid step forward in making sure there is affordable health care accessible to all americans. this is much more similar to what mitt romney, a republican, passed in massachusetts and what the heritage foundation proposed in the 1990's. i do not know why republicans are so opposed to this. this is market-based. it involves insurance companies.

it is not a government takeover of health care. people still have access to private insurance. it just helps make sure that everyone has access to affordable health care the economy, help his mrs.. having more healthy people early in life means less expense later in life. for public relations reasons, should congress and staff members abide by the same rules as the president's health care law? guest: i think they are. if you remember, had they not changed the rules to allow the continued subsidies for those plans, people were going to be able to go to the exchanges and be eligible for other types of subsidies and tax credits. this was senator grassley's mess .hat he created no one was proposing to put congressional staff members and

to the exchanges and he decided that he would offer a poison pill amendment. democrats said, you know, let's have it. no one was thinking about what the implications are. this has already helped young people. it has helped women. it is help seniors. seniors are paying less for prescription drugs. i think republicans, just the opposition to and in some cases out and out hatred for the president is why they continue to oppose it. it is working. parts of it are not working, then we should fix it. but the american people, only about a third of the american people want to ditch the whole thing. they want to see it implemented and see if it works. fix what does not work him up but do not go back to the way things were before. open our phone lines are for democrats and republicans. you can also send us an e-mail at journal@c-span.org. ,oin us on twitter

http://twitter.com/cspanwj, or on facebook. it is said that if members of congress travel to their congressional district and are asked what is the alternative to obamacare, the response would be zero am a there are zero republican alternatives. 11 of the challenges the rnc is facing is we need to stop running against the president and start running on our own ideas. good advice.s newt gingrich is an interesting messenger for that. he was very anti-obama. but that being said, that is exactly right. 40 times they voted in the house to repeal obamacare. they have not had a single vote on something to replace it. basically, their alternative is to making insurance companies call all the shots. i think he right.

they want to reveal -- repeal obamacare, they should offer an alternative. host: republicans are in iowa and new hampshire -- guest: road to the white house already. iowa we are back in tomorrow. but here is senator ted cruz earlier this summer talking about obamacare. clip] to enlistre right now your help. we are getting ready to have an epic battle on obamacare. now, you may have read congress times, 39 times, 56 times, but then -- but none of the votes were binding. none of them got passed into law. to have athing

symbolic gesture, but it is another thing to vote and get it done. this fall we have an opportunity to the fund -- to defund obamacare. [applause] in september, the continuing thelution that funds federal government expires. i have publicly pledged, along with a number of other senators, that under no circumstances will i vote for a continuing resolution that funds one penny of obamacare. host: senator ted cruz last month on the campaign trail in iowa with a look at potentially running in twitter 16. , laborwmakers come back day at october 1, the funding of the president's health care law will be one agenda item. that comment of his is

breathtaking. ,he fact that there is movement the heritage foundation out campaigning to if we do not defund obamacare, shutdown the federal government. what are we talking about here? closing the national parks? we heard our national defenses. we heard our our ability to respond to disasters. that mitchmething mcconnell said yesterday or the day before was permanent law. obamacare will not stop if you shut the federal government down. the mandates are still in place. enrollment still open. it is breathtakingly irresponsible. the truth is, this is the republican party. they are at war over this. there are the defunders. there are the red peelers. and there are the delayers. they cannot agree on something. i do not think this has much chance of success.

maybe republicans will chase to shut the government done for other reasons. but they cannot agree on strategy. i am not sure what what their agenda is like in the fall. yesterday from nbc news, discovering people being cut to part-time to avoid the employer mandate. yout: what we see is if look at the aggregate -- you can always find a case where someone says i'm going to monkey around and try not to live up to the letter of the law. but if you look at the aggregate in terms of hours worked since the recession ended, there is no large change in hours worked. been somehere has increase. obviously the unemployment rate is falling. there is no evidence in the data that says there is a massive move from full-time employment to part-time employment to avoid

obamacare. remember, there are a lot of reasons for small businesses to want to participate in obamacare. they get tax credits to help cover their employees. they get subsidies to help cover their employees. being able to do that will make them more competitive. ido not think i could -- could go out and find one example for just about anything, and that is what they did. the spokesperson for the president's reelection effort, now president of united for change. the president has called this an action august. he tries to use obama for america, now organize for america, to focus on the issues we have been talking about including keeping the government in operation beyond october 1. what has been happening? guest: it has been quite interesting. since 2009, everybody has gone into august saying who is going to win office? what i think has been most

interesting is, one, we have gone on the offensive on obamacare. so we have partnered with a group called protect your care, which is been around several years, promoting obamacare. we have said we have done a lot of promoting, now we're going to hold accountable those people that want to repeal it, those that want to close the government down. we're going to travel around the country and respond to the heritage events that they're holding, promoting the dead ofding -- defunding obamacare. we are going to say obama care is here to stay and you to back off. then there is immigration. there was some speculation that coming into august, they would be on the defensive from the right. groups like freedom works and tea party groups would say no comprehensive immigration reform. but what we have found is they have been on the defensive from pro-immigration reform groups.

now we have 20-some republicans in the house who have, for some form of legalization some a maybe a half measure like you mentioned earlier or maybe a full path to citizenship. i think the immigration reform debate is moving in the right direction here and you know what you have to do, you have got to take off votes for that one at a time. host: a couple key races that watching.ouse is charles, florida, democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to discuss the aca. all thelike to know why people that are discussing it onenot start with point and explain what will happen in each state when they set up. explain that to the people.

you see, there are more people in this country with high school educations a fan college educations. .ou need to talk to the people one step at a time. is right.hink that our organization is not involved in enrollment so much as advocacy, but there are some great -- of course the department of health and human services, an organization called enroll america is doing tremendous work, so there are a lot of assets out there to learn how to enroll, what your rights are, what your benefits are, and people should go to enroll america, look on their website, go to the department of health and human services' website. there are a number of -- as well.e.gov there are a number of assets other key or it we have seen when insurance companies participate in these exchanges, they understand that they have to be competitive.

we have seen premiums in a number of states go down. host: ashburn, virginia, independent line. yes, sir. first, i should call you comrade. the government should take care of everyone of us down to me, which i do not believe. on the immigration front, i am sorry, sir, i served, my grandfather served in world war ii. my son came back from his second combat tour in afghanistan. immigration, i feel this is an invasion if you come here illegally. i am compassionate, but if you are waiting at home and nicaragua and it has taken 5, 6, 10 years to get a green card, now we allow these dreamers to come in here and the the law when their parents knew what it was, and we are going to allow them not to bring their parents in here and start making connections and friends like nothing happened. when will the invasion ever stop? the american people are very

ignorant. a lot of them degrade my citizenship. mine, sir. this is my great country. that is how strongly i feel about it. guest: i think what is ignorant is the failure to recognize the role immigration has played throughout the course of our history. many of these people are here and the country performing services for business, for other people. they are taking jobs that otherwise, in many cases, would go unfilled, and they are doing it in the shadows. they are not paying taxes. we need a comprehensive approach and we need border security, but we need to deal with the problem, not bury our heads in the sand. host: our guest is brad woodhouse of americans united for change. new york, republican line.

caller: i am on long island. i just wanted to say that i have own health insurance, and i am a widow. just me, no children. my insurance just went up $100 a month, starting in october. i am with the gentleman who call before saying that there has to be more explanation. and i do have a college degree. i am wondering if your guest knows anything -- i keep hearing about these exchanges. i just do not know if i am going to be able to afford my health insurance anymore. i am wondering if he knows what an exchange actually means. thank you. guest: the exchanges will provide a menu of potential options for purchasing health

care coverage. what we have seen in new york in the aggregate is the expectation that that will reduce premiums by quite a bit. i think it was around a third. it was a dramatic reduction in premiums. , go on the exchanges, try to enroll. whatever insurance she has now, she does not have to keep. that is the key. there is going to be more competition injected into the marketplace. host: from willcall.com -- tis the season for town hall meetings. who has been doing what in the month of august? republicans make the top 10 list , the only democrat is from washington who has had eight town meeting so far. is numbertive mullen one with 26 events. representative young of indiana

has 13, tied with representative huelskamp of kansas. wisconsin is 12. senator grassley of iowa is at 11. you can see the rest of the list. no democrats making the top 10. guest: i think town hall meetings are a great thing. after 2009, it may not be a fingrise that the astrotur democrats saw on health care that they are doing fewer of these. democrats will be there. if they are supportive of obama care and immigration reform and commonsense measures, we will be there for them. we will be there for republicans if they believe and those things. we have not found any republicans that support those issues. n, massachusetts, democrats line. caller: good morning.

keeping in the questions about retired federal employee, civil service. they are still going to have the federal employee health benefit plan, aren't they? to an be directed exchange? basically that is about it. guest: that is a good question. i profess that i am not a policy expert on the aca. thatt is my understanding people who are already in retirement plans, because it is your choice, you will be able to remain and those did but i would encourage folks with those type of questions to go ask their congressmen. also, the department of health and human services and enroll america. host: you are living in

washington. we're close to what is happening in virginia. the attorney general and the democratic nominee -- no labor day rested for these two candidates. polls showing this race either a dead heat. liffe a slightly. already some very nasty ads. the overall favorability ratings of both candidates is very low. voters in virginia really do not like either one. guest: well, this is kind of part and parcel to what the lessons are now. very contrastive. there is a book called "the collision," and some of the work shows just how far in partisan camps people are. i am sure if you looked at the favorability ratings from among their parties, they would be sky high.

among the opposing party, they would be in the ground. that kind of accounts for it. but, yeah, it is a very contrasted environment we are in because the cheetah parties are so at loggerheads. look, that race will come to the wire. ct joining us from rhode island. i believe that one of the things the u.s. congress can do about the excessive cost of health care in the united states would be to get the fda out of the doctor's offices, out of the hospitals, and out of the health care clinic. and especially out of the ,haritable organizations

wherever children are being treated for cancer. there are a lot of natural means for people, including children, to treat for cancer, and they will probably do a lot better instead of being in chemotherapy and using radiation which can be very dangerous. most ofthe effects that these therapies have on youngsters. they need to keep out of the matter of health care. let the people make their own choices. host: things for the call. based on his call, let me share this from you from real clear politics, keeping track of all the polling. poll that came out

this summer, the opposition to the president's health care law is at 60% -- is at 50% or higher. the average is 51.3% opposing the health care act. fewer than 40% support it. it has not fully been implemented. is what the president continues to face. guest: i think that is right. would you see, and one of the reasons we are out running an offensive on health care is that you have to go out and talk about it. in a vacuum or because of all the controversy and because of the tea party protests, the town hall meetings, because of the 2010 elections, and a vacuum, obamacare does not seem to be popular. but when you start talking about the individual elements am a number one, those are more popular. there is a town hall in north carolina where patrick mchenry was confronted by someone who supports obama care, and he

goes, you know, i like that provision on pre-existing conditions. i like that provision of kids staying on the health care of their parents. you know what, those are two key provisions of obamacare. we have to talk about those. but the key also is to put spotlight on the other side. the spotlight has told only been on whether you're for or against obama care. well what a republicans for? what are the alternatives? if you also look at polls, repeal is not popular. it is about 35% and our polling that support out and out repeal. 58 are sent want to see it implemented and fixed -- 58% want to see it implemented and fixed. let's not repeal it, let's fix it if necessary. immigrants have a willingness to fix any problems in it, but the repeal message is a loser. health care will be a big

of the obama presidency in your book. the presidentwith and this white house have an better to take the pieces of the health care both the both republicans and democrats support in principle, crafting that versus putting forth a bill passed by democrats -- even nancy pelosi said we will get the details after we passed the bill. that line has been referred to often. was that a mistake? guest: i do not think we are ever going to get there. the minute this president was inaugurated, mitch mcconnell said, you know, we are not going to cooperate with him. our goal is to defeat him. for months and months and months to mother white house, senator baucus, democrat from the finance committee in the senate, met with the republican side of the senate to try to reach an

agreement, find a compromise. then we had that summer of discontent. the tea parties came out and protested people. and theyns came back backed off. if there was no middle ground longer. history shouldk report that there was that effort made. but once that effort failed, the need for healthcare reform was not going away. this was a historic opportunity. would it have been better if it had been bipartisan? of course. but republicans walked away from bipartisanship on healthcare reform. host: mt. oliver, pennsylvania, republican line. caller: a couple quick points. number one, and the last two and a half years i paid for my wife's insurance. two grandchildren got their hours cut because of this. alas most important point, the

progressive movement was started to destroy this country. everything this man says is false. he has proven it by his actions and his speaking on this show. thank you. goodbye. host: we will get a response. guest: well, i do not think what i am saying is false. look, there is no doubt that there was a fundamental need to change the healthcare care system in this country. nerdy million americans that lack -- 30 million americans that lack any coverage whatsoever. damien increases were going on for years -- premium increases were going on for years. let this get implemented, give it a shot. republicans should give it a shot. if it does not work, they will have the political bludgeon that they want. what i think is wrong is to say here is something that can really help people, let's discourage them from getting it. that is not the right approach. part of what members are elected to do is help their

constituents. if obamacare can help their constituents, they should help them access it. it they find out in that process that it does not work, then try to change it. but this notion that we are going to discourage people that do not have affordable health coverage cannot get it for purely partisan reasons, it is really wrongheaded. host: an issue that has moved to the back burner was featured this morning in the "wall street journal." disorder needs lawmakers' attention now. deficit hasu.s. been brought down. he says it is still a huge issue. he also points to health care, saying finding a way to slow down the growth of health care costs, which accounts for up to the five percent of federal spending this year and 31% by the year 2023, remains crucial to bring down the deficit. we do see it coming down.

look, we do not think it is necessarily coming down in the right ways. sequestration was a hatchet across the federal government. a lot of pain as a result of it. it needs to be fixed. some of those accounts need to be restored. there are certainly things that can be cut. , what will reduce the deficit is a stronger economy. 1990's.his mix and the as the economy got stronger, the deficit went down. how did it get stronger? go clinton and even some republicans in congress back then made an investment in education, infrastructure, the very things the president was talking about. businesses do not become successful just like coming -- just by cutting. they have to invest. the time for investments is now, and the president has been talking about that. host: wisconsin, republican line. good morning. caller: good morning.

one of the situations i am so angry about is that the democrats seem to ignore the aliens that many illegal are using their names but american social security numbers. has done thiss for over 12 years. one of them was a manager for mcdonald's. but also to provide homes, credit cards, vehicles. we have been battling this, even going to washington, d.c. 926 in 2013.te hr not one democrat will cosponsor it. thesely am so upset that two illegals will get that pathway to citizenship and will keep their families together. we have been on tv, radio, everywhere. it seems that the democrats ignore the problem. they say that the illegals just

take jobs americans will not. that is not true. crime.victims of this still victims. it is disgusting to me that the democrats do not want to look at this problem. , this is part and parcel why we need an approach to fix this. we need the type of border security that republicans are talking about. ,here is some analysis out especially over the past four years, that there has been no net increase in illegal immigration. because the economy is better in lowco with some respects, employment there. people have been going home. we have also been this is why we need a comprehensive approach. to citizenship? then what? it continues as is. there is no way to round up 11 million people and support them.

we would not do it. it would be inhumane. whatuld hurt the economy with the -- it hurt the economy. what with the caller's alternative be? host: to respond to this .uestion from sandy guest: i do not think that has anything to do with the election. delays that have been announced, one was a result of the insurance companies not being able to get their computers talk to and to other -- to talk to each other. the other was a request from the business community. this is one of the things that it is hard to believe democrats are being attacked for or the

president is being attacked for. they want more time to prepare for the implementation. the administration listened to the business community. they responded. if it had to do with the 2014 elections, they would probably delay the entire thing. the republicans would not have this big target they are shooting at. they did not do that. i do not think there's politics involved. host: the last caller is from illinois. thank you for waiting. in need to stop living in progress of fairy tale. the fundamental problem people have with the problem is the fact it will bankrupt states. nobody can implement this thing. what do you have to say about that? these costs are outrageous. believe there is

evidence of that in the aggregate because of the design of how to reform medicare. this will reduce the overall deficit for the country. have to be part of the solution. a number of states have chosen not to expand medicaid. oft will leave millions people without affordable health insurance. this country house to deal with -- has to deal with this problem. it will cost us more to go back to the old system and have people show up in emergency rooms when they are sick. people who do not coverage because of pre-existing conditions and wind up with the government and for the health care when it is much more expensive, and of life, trying to save a life instead of to a problem early, this is going to bring down costs in the long run.

o'malley saying this is a crisis of confidence in this country. be in no. iwill would tomorrow evening speaking to the democrats. vice-president joe biden is speaking on sunday. i has been -- governor cuomo has been brought up as a potential as into canada. guest: we say every election cycle starts earlier and eleanor -- earlier. having been at the dnc and working on president obama's election, one thing that strikes me on our side is how deep our benches. there is a misconception there are only one or two. it's at the top and then we

bench.weak this is a tremendously talented field. klobuchar is a tremendous fan of the progressive movement. these are tremendously talented people. i think it is unfortunate to have to start jockeying so soon. yesterday's accord new york times, a very critical piece of the clintons. what impact could that have on hillary clinton? inst: she was serving government running for president and secretary of state when all of that supposedly occurred. it has been reported there has been an internal review. they are getting their act together. a lot of to be doing

other stuff. i have a hard time believing that will hurt her in the long run. generally speaking, people want to talk about bigger issues. there are a ton of little things woulduld have thought have made britannica in 2010. in the end, she was not a candidate. host: thank you for stopping by. we will get a perspective from the other side. andy roth will be joining us from club for growth on things his organization will be focusing on this summer into the fall. later, we will turn our attention to energy issues including the xl pipeline and fracking. he is now the president of citizens for affordable energy. other newsck on the happening this august 15.

our studios.is in >> an update on the situation in egypt. egyptian officials say the deadliest day since the uprising at toppled hosni mubarak killed at least 525 people yesterday carried -- history. it happened when the police cleared a camp occupied by supporters of former president mohamed morsi. a nationwide state of emergency is in effect. a senior member of the islamist movement says nothing will stop glorious revolution in egypt, not even the death of more than 500 people killed in the country's bloodiest day in recent history. he said we will continue our demonstrations all over the country until democracy and legitimate rule are restored in egypt. iraq, a month-long wave of violence has taken another 31 lives. officials say dozens of people

were wounded in a series of car bombings across baghdad. more than 3000 people have been killed in violence during the past few months, raising fears of more widespread sectarian bloodshed. those are some of the latest headlines on c-span radio. in the arm core presentation -- >> he had a lot of goals in life. those were enhanced when he met mary todd. she was also ambitious. she said she wanted to marry the man with a good mind and hopes for a bright future. she also said she would marry a man that would be president. there was something about abraham lincoln where she saw the potential and encouraged it. mary helped to showcase what her husband had done, how far he had come. she kind of hinted at where they were headed, stake in the world abraham lincoln had made it and was ready to move on. >> the encore presentation continues tonight at 9:00

eastern on c-span. during tonight's program, and join in the conversation with the history professor. "washington journal" continues. host: we want to welcome andy club fore president of growth. we will talk about health care in a moment. the talk with the republican party circles of the potential for the government shutdown, senator mitch mcconnell saying is something to worry about. how likely is it? guest: is a good question. republicans are divided on the issue. when it comes up for a vote, i am not sure there will be votes to pass a budget. it is extremely likely from our standpoint it could happen because the votes are not there. a lot of conservatives and republicans do not want to go

back home and say [indiscernible] they will have to find a road to leadership. if they get it from democrats, it will upset republicans that john boehner is siding with democrats. host: john mccain and mitt romney saying that is a hot idea. guest: our argument is, why should we fun something with money we do not have on the program that even president obama has admitted is not working right now because of the employer mandate delay? we have numerous problems at the irs and the scandals involved. do we want them in charge of collecting taxes from people on our health care? you have labor unions who do not like the law and conservatives. birdss not just "wacko

"ruffling feathers on capitol hill. take asaying let's timeout and look at this and decide if we want to move forward. host: this is from yesterday's event in boston. newt gingrich attending the summer meeting. he says when it comes to the president's health care law, republicans have zero alternatives and ideas for other options. guest: there is a news report out today that says the republican study committee, the conservative wing of the house of representatives, are releasing a new health care bill that will provide a lot of free market ideas when it comes to health care. taxer one is equalizing the treatment when it comes to health care. when you get health care through your employer, you get a tax deduction. individuals in the individual market do not get that. that is a big deal. if you could fix that one part,

you could do a lot to save a lot of talks on health care. another item is medical malpractice reform. that is something that desperately needs to be done along with buying interest across state lines. we have 50 silos in 50 states. you are confined to only buy insurance in one of those states, the state where you live. if you live in utah commission be able to shop -- if you live in utah, he should be able to shop for a policy in virginia. host: let's go back to the politics of this with a quotation from speaker gingrich. if you agree with that sentiment, how does club for growth and the conservative movement get there? guest: club for growth is not an organ of the republican party. we definitely align ourselves

with conservatives and conservative policy. right now, the gop is more aligned with less than the democrats. if democrats, with ideas that are free market and pro-growth, we will definitely explore them. first and foremost, we need to look at repealing obamacare. like an not seem alternative or program solution, but that is the concern and right now. when we repeal obamacare, we should provide good free market alternatives. that goes back to what i was saying with a republican study committee introducing the bill. turn our attention to immigration. this is from "national review." house john of the .-- john boehner was featured it says republicans want to show

they favor their own set of reforms. review" says incremental bills are destructive if the ultimate purpose is to get a version that will bless the gang of eight bill. they say there is little to allay the fears of those to make a blood oath commitment to oppose any conference committees. there not as tough on speaker as some of our friends on the right. we understand he has been dealt a tough hand controlling only one-half of the legislative branch. he says we need to say no on the issue of immigration as it stands right now . guest: not to disappoint your listeners, but club for growth does not get involved in immigration. when you are dealing with a 1000 page bill in the senate, there are a lot of non economic issues

didlved white borders it like border security in english only. e border security and english only. club for growth does not get involved. republicans have a good point. conference committees have been around since the beginning of the nation. innocence, they are the backroom deal. both chambers deliberate in an open process. the way the result that is to meet together in a small group without any debate open to the public and how shout this final deal which cannot be amended -- and hash out this final deal it cannot be amended in either chamber. the best thing that can happen from our point of view is these debates get aired in the open in

both chambers. when it comes to conference smack of thehey things america dislikes about washington. host: our guest is andy roth from club for growth. you can join the conversation by telephone or join us on facebook. we welcome our listeners on c- span radio, heard nationwide on xm 119. primaryo ask about challenges. mitch mcconnell facing a primary challenge in the 2014 kentucky senate race. mike enzi facing a challenge from liz cheney in wyoming. have you taken a stand on either of these races? guest: we have not. we have met with matt from

kentucky. he is an impressive candidate. we have an extensive due diligence process when it comes to making an endorsement. a lot of groups on the left and right make dozens of endorsements in every election cycle. we only make 10 to 20. when we get involved, we want to make sure no rock is left unturned. in this race, we're looking at all the due diligence, research on the candidates. we will do our own polling. there is going to be a lot of work before we decide to get involved in that race. host: when would you decide? guest: we have no timetable. it could be days or months. host: what questions are you asking in the kentucky senate race? guest: we're familiar with mitch mcconnell's record. we do not need to do much research on up. -- on that.

he has been in washington for too long. people think he may be a good or bad. but we need new blood no matter what. he has been here too long. on his record, you can point to a murrieta of things including and a lotff increases of big spending bills during the bush years. there are numerous examples we can go into. to go back to what i was saying about the diligence, we want to campaign and's see how it is running. we only get involved in places where there is a viable challenger. if there is no path to victory, it does not make sense to get involved in waste our members money. he is an attractive candidate. things are impressive so far. host: it sounds as if you are leaning toward the possibility matt devon and

are disappointed in mitch mcconnell. >> we are disappointed in mitch mcconnell but i cannot say if we will endorse him or not. we have a due diligence process. we have to work through it. will come of that, we to conclusion. host: do you worry if you endorse a candidate it becomes a pathway to a democrat, to win? guest: it depends on the district. there are some conservative states. bill bennett in utah two cycles ago because we thought he was wrong for utah in the nation. there was no concern a democrat was going to have the secret in kentucky, there's a greater concern a democrat could win the state. that is part of the process we will have to look at and come to a conclusion on.

what about wyoming? mckinsey is challenged by the daughter of cheney. >> we have not met with her. we welcome the opportunity. betterzi's record is than mitch mcconnell. he has been there awhile. it is something we want to explore. we are too early in the process to come to any conclusions. host: on the issue of health care, this is from one of our viewers. please ask your guest about a specific alternative to obamacare. is there one? guest: the republican study committee is coming out with a bill soon. i think there are a lot of parts to it that will be impressive. i think a lot of conservatives will support it. with bradpoke woodhouse this morning. the organization out with this ad opposed to the health care

law. [video clip] >> health care premiums are tumbling. seniors are paying less for prescriptions. no one can be denied coverage because of a pre-existing coverage, all thanks to obamacare. republicans would take it all away. republicans have voted nearly 40 times to roll back obamacare. republicans want to take your benefits away and put insurance companies back in charge. obamacare is working. "handse republicans, off obamacare." guest: the last line is the most glaring, the obamacare is working. there is a mountain of evidence to prove otherwise. obama has said as much. he has delayed the employer mandate. theas delayed all eligibility requirements for the irs. this is a remarkable thing that is getting under-reported by the media. if you apply for a tax credit with the irs, they will do zero

processing to decide if you deserved it. there will be lows of fraud or potential fraud at the irs because of this. that is going to make the costs skyrocket. every week, you are seeing insurance companies saying they are no longer going to offer coverage in one state or the other. you see that every week. comingo see some state out and saying premiums will be double digit increases. there are a lot of things to suggest obamacare is not working. that is why we want to have this debate. earned hisroth master's from georgetown university. linda is on the independent

line. good morning. caller: good morning. i wanted to ask the gentleman about conservatism. i think it is too far right. this is a middle country. everybody needs to come to the middle. we are not far left or right. this is a middle country. it makes no sense for us to go that far right or left. itting back to the obamacare, am going to plan on enrolling in the program. it is not obamacare. it is a bunch of insurance companies that have come together. you get to pick which one you want. i have worked in the insurance industry for years as a claims examiner. insurance companies to make decisions on everybody's days you staymany in the hospital, what tests you can take, and all of that.

host: let's go back to the first point about where we are ideologically in the country. guest: put ideology aside and look to the problems in our country. we have 17 trillion in debt and that is going up at an exorbitant rate. we have a $6 billion deficit just this year. we're told that is an improvement over the $1.2 trillion we have been experiencing the last couple of years. the only solution is to reduce the size of government to arrest the alarming growth of debt. when it comes to providing solutions, you are finding a lot more solutions on the right to slow down the growth of government. whether it is left or right, the important part is to focus on how big the government has gotten in our lives and what we need to do to slow it down? -- to slow it down. host: one of our viewers is asking if you are saying mitch

mcconnell is not conservative. guest: i do not think so. his record proves it voting wise. behind-the-scenes, he has worked to pass compromises that are not in line with conservative values. like a said it is the fiscal increases and all of the big spending bills during the bush years. it is a record that needs to be examined. host: robert is next from florida on the democrats' line. caller: i wonder why republicans begrudgehe grudge -- health insurance when 50% in this country do not have health insurance, the same people are paying your health insurance. i went on the website. the congress and senator, after three years biggest 2% of their benefits. i think you need to get a job like everybody else.

why did they pay for your health insurance? if i do not have insurance, i am paying for you. why? host: let's get a response. i do not think he was referring to you specifically but congress. guest: it is a concerned congress is getting gold-plated health insurance policies and a lot of americans are not. this is one of the reasons congress has an approval rating near the bottom historically of all time. it is a concern. when it comes to making sure all americans are insured, we believe the solution does not reside in washington. instead it resides in the states and the house -- locales around the country. host: frank is on the republican line. caller: i do agree with you on the debt, but i must say we need thatdustrial policy

protects industry from the high cost of health insurance. you cannot imagine any great companies in china coming back to the united states and paid $12,000 a year health care. they will not do it. i have friends who have taken from newto canada york. they employed a couple of hundred people in canada. i do not blame them they were paying $6,000 a year 10 years ago for health care compromised by the insurance companies. now they go to canada. i live here. they pay my insurance. is taxnately, it deductible. it.government pays must have a system where people pay their own insurance. give them an income break so they pay their own insurance.

give it off the backs of the government and industry. then you will have industrial growth. we need an industrial policy. you are club for growth. on the debt, the tax code is terrible. everything ought to be ordinary income. i have had every tax break there is. i get dividends from foreign companies pumping gas in the united states. i get 29% that i do not pay taxes on. they do not either. for the callthanks from pennsylvania. guest: his second point ties in nicely with the first one. businesses are having a difficult time operating in the united states because of our tax code. we have been clamoring for comprehensive tax reform. this is a bipartisan effort. -- max seeing senators baucus chairs the senate finance

committee. with the ways and means committee, they have been working overtime to come to a solution on tax reform. they are getting no leadership from the white house and a lot of their colleagues to do it. i think the best way to reenergize the economy and bring the unemployment rate down and help businesses grow is to reduce the tax burden. at the same time, get rid of a lot of the special-interest loopholes in the tax code so it is a more fair tax code. you do that and you will provide rocket fuel to the and held jobs grow and businesses expand. host: and want to frame the next question in terms of egypt. a couple of e-mails from our facebook page. says we sent money that could have been used here.

viewer saying mubarak is looking good right now we do provide about $1 billion a year in foreign aid. said a patrick leahy coup did take place in egypt. the word from the editorial pages is a need to stop foreign aid for the moment. host: club for growth does not involved in public policy. we do knowledge there is a lot of waste in programs that go overseas. we do not have an official policy on foreign aid, but it does make sense. we need to examine it and make sure it is the best use of our money, especially when we are accumulating $700 billion annually in deficit. from new next call is york on the independent line. caller: thank you for taking my

call. i was wondering, do you think the health care law when it was written by the democrats, when they saw the way the public was reacting, and do you think it is possible -- do you think it is possible the bill was written to fail so they could get back to their original agenda to put in place a single payer system? the way this is coming in to play, even if everything would have taken place next year and a year after, the fines and all the other things that would hurt somebody making $25,000 a year, they do not kick in until president obama is out of office. if a democrat does get elected, the big cry from the country is this is not working, you need to change this. they will not go backwards. the only place to go would be to put a single payer system in

place. that is what they intended? republicans or conservative party point out to peoplehat are making under $50,000 a year and over $18,000 a year that the hit they will take every month -- i think people think they will be getting something for free. i do not think it has sunk in they will have to pay. if you convince 30 million people they will have to come up with $700 a month or more to pay for insurance, i think that is when the reality will kick in and they will start speaking. host: robert, we will get a response. guest: i am not a cynical as that, to suggest the road is built to fail. but there is a larger point i think is a problem.

democrats, a specimen is a closer was speaker, they were passing -- especially as a policy was speaker, they were passing bills that did not make sense. . passing , to in the stimulus. it does not make sense to pass 2000 page bills. nancy pelosi proved it when she said we have to pass the bill to find out what is in a. -- it is in it. that does not seem like a smart way of legislating. we're finding that out with obamacare. the second point about how a lot in the middle class are going to be surprised when they experience the rate shock when the premiums are revealed, i think that is every bit true. i think obamacare could include. republicans and conservatives are saying let's stop and look at the problems. these are bipartisan

problems. we have problems at the irs. the mandate has been delayed. the pilot evidence is climbing more every day. let's look at it and have a debate about it. that is what we're calling for. host: your group and others blamed for the failure to get the appropriations bill through the summer. the present critical say when it comes to transportation, we need to spend more money from -- for infrastructure, highways, roads come and bridges. do we need to spend more? guest: we need to spend what we have responsibly. if you look at the transportation bill, it is horrible how mismanaged it is. the mandate a large percentage of income to bicycle trails and high-speed rail that th, a lot s that do not make sense. we need to take the gas tax that

funds transportation and get rid of the federal gas tax and leave all this up to the states. all 50 states have their own priorities. it should not be dictated to them from washington. if missouri wants to put in a row, they should be able to without d.c. telling them what to do. if they want to spend a lot on transportation, missouri can raise their gas tax at the state level to a level sufficient to pay for those things. we need to bring these things back to the local -- so the local decisions can be made. right now, you send the money to washington. the bureaucrats shoot it up and they send it back with strings attached. that is not a smart way of doing things. host: have been talking about potential 2016 candidates, including bobby jindal of louisiana who spoke in new hampshire earlier this year about where he sees the party going. here is a portion of what he had to say. [video clip]

>> we need to be the party of growth, not austerity. the political debate today is all about zeros, austerity, spreadsheets, tv ads. make no mistake. i believe we have got to balance the budget. i believe we have got to stop spending money we do not have. i worry about $70 trillion in direct -- debt that will go to the children and grandchildren. in louisiana, we cut our budget 26%. we balance our budget every year. we cut taxes. we cut state employees. record bond ratings in over 20 years. hampshire, andew america, we must not become the party that is assessed with government and government only. this debate is not about what we are about. we are fighting this debate on the other parties terms. this is all about government. it is not about the private sector economy. we need to remind the american

people the other party is the party of less, not the republican party. , your reaction. guest: has a point. we believe in growing the economy and getting the government of the way so the private sector, the engine of the economy of america, the ideals that have been around since the founding about personal responsibility and the freedom to do what you choose, we need to get back to that. we would love to have tax reform and all sorts of ideas like reducing regulations so we can let the private economy prosper. from our next call is pikesville, maryland, on the democrats' line. that showed 51% of people were against aca. what percentage were for

universal health care? guest: i am not sure what poll he is referring to. it is true there is a lot of disapproval of obamacare. that is why we're calling for debate. host: the poll he is referring to was from the last hour. the overall average of those who support the health care law, 39.5%. opposing it, 50.3%. the numbers are higher in opposition when you look at the fox news poll. slightly lower for others. more than half of americans surveyed say they do not like the law, they oppose it. guest: this is a fascinating point. obamacare is the president's crown jewel of his administration. it will define and large. his legacy. he is confronted with a very

difficult challenge. does he admit this thing is not working and there are severe problems? does he say, everything is fine, do not worry about it, let's keep moving forward the matter what? he is a tough spot and will have to make the call. host: the next call is from pittsburgh. pat, good morning. you are on the air. calling about obamacare. i hate that term. i think a lot of people are he launched obamacare by taking $500 billion out of the senior citizens trust fund for social security and medicare. about not seen any increase. i am using medicare right now. i have seen increases.

continuing doctors to extend medicare because they are being lowered. prescriptions are going up. you tell me this is a program out ands been thought an the mandated it and put it through the supreme court. they made the find a tax of the irs could do what they were instructed to do going after people that did not buy the insurance. 84 the call. guest: i agree with her. what is remarkable is what is coming down the pike. the changes get implemented october 1. that is when people will realize what a disastrous idea this is. 1/5 of the economy which is health care is going to be

largely controlled by washington and 535 politicians and bureaucrats. regardless of whether you are left or right, this should cause concern. i think it does. that is why you are seeing the poll numbers in such a way. host: what is club for growth per tomorrow where does your money come from? guest: have members from across the country and from all walks of life. we believe in economic liberty. call us willle street fat tax reduced fat cats. that is a misnomer. we oppose wall street. we have attorneys, lawyers, and bankers on our membership rolls. we also have teachers, policemen, garbage man, all walks of life. you are being and giving money. host: want to go back to an earlier caller and ask you to

define compromise. how does club for growth maintain its core values and agree to work with democrats on spending issues and tax issues? where would you come together if you were one of the party leaders on the republican side knowing you have to work with democrats to get anything done? guest: the bedrock of the foundation will get is we need to reduce the size of government. if we're talking about how much to reduce the size of government, compromise is available. we reject the idea of compromise when it is how much taxes we should raise, how much more which to grow the government, how much more we should grow the national debt. those are not areas where we choose to compromise. law. take the health care where would you find compromise with the white house? guest: that is a difficult thing to play out. we are not sure what is available. these things do not come out

until the 11th hour. certainly we need to defund obamacare. we want to repeal it. if we can defund it, that is the best compromise are confined right now. host: the president outlined a plan to streamline the tax code and reduce corporate taxes, putting some of the money into infrastructure projects. the infrastructure spending because of what i talked about earlier. we support president obama and the idea of streamlining the tax code on the corporate side. here is the problem. this is the dirty little secret not a lot of people are talking about in the media. he wants to lower tax rates for leave theons but individual tax code alone. a lot of small businesses pay taxes through the individual tax code. he wantsing explicitly to lower taxes for businesses,

-- big businesses, but keep higher rates for small businesses. we think you should lower rates for corporations and individuals and get rid of all of the special interest loopholes carved out over the last 25 years. that is our solution. host: james is joining us from indiana on the democrats' line with andy roth of club for growth. caller: i was curious. the deficit has grown enormously since 2,000, 2008. i know the credit card bill was passed on to president obama. i am curious why everyone is worried about the deficit now. we're going to wars and it was off the books. aboutre saying earlier the irs is not going to process

for people with obamacare. but on the other hand, republicans are screaming and that my charity did not skate through. they are nonprofit. why is all this going on? anything aboutd repealing the prescription drug bill that was never paid for. there is no republicans saying it. that is costing us a fortune. on at to hear your answer few of those. hopefully you guys can get along. guest: we agree with him. club for growth has been around since 1999. i have been with them since 2003. we're out emily opposed to the big spending bills president bush and republicans were

passing when they were in charge. club for growth is not a republican organization. we believe in limited government and programs policies. when republicans mess up, and they did, and when democrats must have, we called them out, too. host: let's show you another perspective. rick santorum spoke this past saturday at the family leadership summit in iowa about what he sees the party and conservative movement needs to do next. [video clip] >> taking a page out of our own book and start putting forth an agenda i have -- an agenda of toa for folks that want vote for us. at least president obama went out and spoke about them. we did not do that. we marginalized them. first and foremost, we need to reject the idea that if we build

the economy, all boats will rise and everybody will be fine. host: any comments? guest: we did not support rick santorum in the last election or any candidate. we chose to issue a series of white papers on each candidate and where they stood on economic issues. remarkably, rick santorum's record in the senate and house was not that good. he was part of the problem during the bush years when they were passing all of the big spending bills. rick santorum is not somebody would champion in 2016, if he were to run. car: our next caller is y, joining us from cedar park, texas. caller: the reason i am calling is i am in a tough situation when many americans. i am about 60 years old.

my wife is 51. she has migraines. i have high blood pressure. the last time i contacted insurance companies, will cross was the only one that would talk to me. at that point time, it was about $800 a month with a $5,000 deductible. i make about $40,000 a year. my wife makes about 25,000. we cannot do it. it is like buying another house. it is useless to have a policy that has a $5,000 deductible. i do not know what we're going to do. it hits home. movie, of course assault on wall street." got cancer and she chose to split her wrists to keep from putting him in debt. the only solution if you get a catastrophic illness is to put a gun to your head because we do not have the ability to pay these bills.

to the cardiologists for high blood pressure. i can pay him $80 cash and take care of my bill. if you bill the insurance company, it is $280. i can pay $7 for blood work. the bill the insurance company as $2. the insurance company has so many layers to make so much money on everything is ridiculous. host: thank you for the call. about it this morning. he makes this observation. health care will account for about 25% of spending in 2013. dispute health care costs have gotten out of control. it is how to solve it. on the leftd people suggest we need more mandates. we need to require people to buy insurance. we need to place more regulations on the books to

control health insurance costs. we reject that idea explicitly. we think one of the reasons health care is so experience expensive is because the government is too much involved already. anyou get a policy in state, there are tons of mandates for acupuncture and massage therapy. all those things increase the cost of health care. we should be able to let the free market decide what policies to buy and which policies not to buy. that will bring down costs. plus, the ideas i mentioned before about equalizing the tax like thendividuals caller will be able to afford a policy because he gets a tax break just like a lot of people who get it through their employer. medical malpractice reform, there are a number of things we

can do rather than let washington be in charge in this industry. host: let me go back to the earlier discussion about senator ted crews and others calling for the defunding of the health care law. if mitch mcconnell supports that effort, does that affect your view of his own reelection and primary challenge? look at the when we candidate to support or oppose, we look at their whole body of work. we look at all the things they have done. host: if mitch mcconnell is defeated, any sense of who would replace him, who you would want or oppose? guest: have not bought it through on the senate side. if we look at the house, there are a lot of goods stars.

jed hensearling is a great conservative. we think tom price is a great conservative. .hey would be excellent choices on the senate side, it could be a lot of newcomers. toomey has demonstrated he can work with conservatives and democrats. this would be the leaders in the senate as well. host: do you have a sense speaker boehner could face a challenge? guest: he was up for reelection in january has become a have 12 republicans vote against him. you only need about 17 to 20 republicans to make a change. , that 12 hasnumber only gone up. i do think he will have a problem in the next election

cycle. he may decide it is too much trouble and he may step down and retire. host: andy roth from club for growth, thanks for being with us. we want to show you this headline from the "new york times." the death toll in egypt has increased to about 525 according to cnn. we will take a short break and check in on the other news with nancy calo. we cannot, more of your calls and comments us "washington journal" continues on this thursday morning. >> we're just learning president obama will be making a statement on egypt in just under one hour at 10:15 eastern time. c-span television and radio will bring you the president's remarks. turning to the economy, jobless numbers show americans applying for the benefits dropping to a six-year low of 320,000.

that number is the lowest level in nearly six years. the applications which reflect layoffs have fallen 14% this year. a sign companies are cutting fewer workers. as for home ownership, the latest statistics showed a significant decline. in the u.s., lenders repossessed just under 37,000 homes last month. that is down 31% from july of last year. experts say the trend should help limit the negative impact foreclosures have on home values. turning to politics, conservative activists and party leaders from across the country are gathered in boston for the republican national committee's summer meeting. thechairman will unveil rising stars program they say is designed to promote and highlight new voices in the republican party. those rising stars include new hampshire state rep. from maryland and the oklahoma

speaker of the house. at can hear this event live 11:00 on c-span radio or watch it live on c-span. those are some of the latest headlines on c-span radio. after theber so well march was over, after dr. king deliver that speech. president kennedy invited us to the white house. he stood in the door of the oval office preteen each one of us. father.ike a proud he was so glad everything had gone well. he said he did a good job. when he got to dr. king, he said you had a dream. >> to mark the anniversary, the museum will have a conversation with john lewis. afterwards, in your chance to call-in and comment. that is part of american history tv every weekend on c-span3.

"washington journal" continues. host: this morning, we talked about john hofmeister joining us, the former head of shell oil and president of citizens for affordable energy. he was going to join us from houston. we're having problems with the signal. we will try to get him on today or another time to talk about energy issues including fracking and xl pipeline. there is news from egypt. we want to use this opportunity get your calls and comments about the unrest in egypt. the death toll now in excess of 500. we're getting reports in muslim brotherhood has called for another round of demonstrations to take place today in and around cairo. these are scenes from yesterday as protestors were killed and injured. more than 3500 injured as well.

the headlines this morning, kill scores of protesters. .bloodshed in egypt a photograph of some of the carnage taking place around cairo. secretary of state john kerry talk about this yesterday. here is part of what he had to say. [video clip] share parties responsibility to avoid violence and participate in a productive path towards a political solution. there will not be a solution through further polarization. there can only be a political solution by bringing people together with a political solution. this is a pivotal moment for all egyptians. the path of violence leads only to greater instability, economic disaster, and suffering.

the only sustainable path for other side is towards a political solution. i am convinced from my conversations today with a number of foreign ministers, including the foreign minister of egypt, i am convinced that path is still open and it is possible, although it has been made much harder and more complicated by the events of today. the promise of the 2011 revolution has never been fully realized. the final outcome of that revolution is not yet decided. in the hoursaped ahead, in the days ahead. it will be shaped by the decisions all of egypt's political leaders may now in the days ahead. the world is closely watching egypt and is deeply concerned about the events we have witnessed today. the united states remains at the

ready to work with all parties and our partners and others around the world in order to help achieve a peaceful democratic way forward. host: the, is just a day of secretary of state john kerry on the situation in egypt. ,e have the line for democrats republicans. you can also send us a tweet for joining us on facebook. the white house announcing a short while ago the president will have remarks scheduled at about 10:15 eastern. he is at martha's vineyard. we will have live coverage. he is expected to speak about the situation in egypt. the death toll now in excess of 500. this is the front page of the "financial times." an editorial from the "new york times."

washington must distance itself from egypt's district of generals. "egypt ruling generals have demonstrated they have no aptitude for and apparently little interest in guiding the country back to democracy." that editorial from "the new york times." the "washington post. " one photograph outside of cairo as supporters of president morsi to the top of garbage cans

protect from shrapnel flying in the cairo area. the death toll is now over 500. good morning. where are you calling from? caller: wisconsin. host: go ahead. 17 trillion dollars in debt, we send a lot of money over there. goelieve that we should ahead and take that money and put it back into american hands and use it in this country. howard from jacksonville, florida. good morning. caller: good morning. to of course condemn the violence, the loss of innocent lives in egypt, but at the same time, it is surprising that the u.s. government is so

mute about coming out and condemning it. they are using the words but their actions aren't encouraging more violence and killing. the track record over the last 20 years shows that we pick corrupt governments, leaders, and generals, and support them, because they can carry out our agenda. then 20 years down the road, when people hate us for whatever action, they come out and say, they hate us for our freedom. i think the u.s. government should realize, aligning with these governments and killing of innocent civilians will come back and bite us again in the future. we have not learned from our actions of the past, policies of the past. we keep on doing the same thing and then we are surprised when

the rest of the world hates us. i think the government should stop talking and put its foot other governments with dictators, burma, china, other parts of the world, realize that we actually stand for freedom and for people, not for corrupt dictators. host: howard, thank you. from our twitter page. jim says, who is the bad guys in egypt? from our facebook page, i will share two of them.

nash from florida. independent line. caller: good morning. i think the u.s. should leave egypt and the middle east alone. lindsey graham, john mccain, they went down there to incite the muslim brotherhood. it is not right. -- we haveighting fighting because john mccain and lindsey graham went down there, helping to push president morsi out. and this is not a coup. dictator.a these guys have to go.

we need the muslim brotherhood out. out of do is just get the system. let the egyptians run their own country by themselves. you. thank from "the washington times" -- one of our viewers. you cannot go into the middle east and not expect to destabilize the entire area. thanks, bush. hartford, conn. democrats line. amazed at this tragic situation there in egypt. nobody seemed to recall, during the mubarak regime, he kept a

tight rein on the muslim brotherhood. i can recall, seven, eight years , when there was some kind of being attacked in , and under mr. mubarak's as a recall, several of the kepterhood leaders were the reigns on them. apparently, mr. mubarak knows something that we do not seem to realize about the brotherhood. nobody likes to see all of this carnage, but somebody has to try to implement what is the best

for the country as a whole, rather than divide the country along the ideological lines that the brotherhood seems to want to project. thursdayther call this morning. this is the front page of the "sun times." jesse jackson jr. sentenced to 30 months for stealing as much as $750,000 from his campaign fund. his wife sandi will begin her 12-month sentence after her husband is released, for lying on tax forms, and working with him on basically what the prosecutor called looting and using the campaign fund and a personal piggy bank.

this photograph was from yesterday in washington, d.c. new jersey, good morning. independent line. joe, are you with us? caller: yes, good morning. ahead.o we can hear you. to address mr.d roth's agenda. i realize it his points of the -- i amst like trying to remember which party it was. his communication is down to the level of grassroots.

it is not there for the majority of people, to get the message that he is trying to relate to the american people. >> thank you for the call. the death toll, 525. the scene from inside cairo, one of the many stories inside "the washington post" this morning. several bodies placed in this room as a result of the uprisings. the president is scheduled to make remarks at 10:15 eastern time. the out-e speaking to of-town travel pool. questions about whether we can bring that to you live, but we will certainly turn that around for you as quick as we can. he is currently in martha's vineyard, will be back in washington this week. chris is with us this morning. good morning caller: i think the

other and gentlemen captured much of what i had to say. the egyptian military is stepping in the way that the turkish military stepped in to keep the civilian-type government. is knownm brotherhood to be in various -- a very dangerous organization in that part of the world, on par with the iranians. i am not sure how this is going to pan out. i would say that president obama did run on the campaign of being able to help these situations out and specifically criticized president bush for handling situations like this. i would like to say what -- see what he will say at a press conference today. i am hoping that it is consistent with keeping civilian as close to the

religious-type of government. neb., good city, morning. turn down the volume on your tv set and we will hear you better. go ahead, please. caller: i wanted to make a comment on sending aid to most foreign countries, especially egypt. i feel sorry for what is happening there. the best way for us to get their attention about anything is to cover funds and let them solve their own problems. that is all i have to say this morning. thank you for c-span. host: mohamed elbaradei, the vice-president, resigning as a result of what was happening. more than 3500 individuals injured yesterday. the ambassador, who spoke in washington yesterday, outlined

how egypt reached this point and what will have to happen next. here is a portion of what he said yesterday about how egypt reached this point. polarization in the country. an environment of political islam, discrimination, religiousism, on basis, not only between muslims and christians, but also between sunni and portia, between whoever is not muslim brothers, and who is muslim brothers. time, we found this kind of polarization is affecting the human relations between the people themselves.

behavior, which is well known with a peaceful attitudes, is changing. second, complete absence of security. the rate of crime has risen dramatically and people started to feel, for the first time in history of egypt, that we are on safe and -- unsafe. why? the police were fragmented. in january, presents were opened, weapons were smuggled, all prisoners were out. this is another long story. the fact is, security was rather absent. you foreigners visiting, felt if you went to certain areas, you would be advised to watch out. maybe some of you were subject to harassment or whatever.

host: their perspective on the situation in the gym this morning. --"the miami herald" we are taking your calls and comments on this story. among those killed, 43 police officers and one western journalist, a mythographer for sky news. this is from the bbc news website. prime minister david cameron paying tribute to the journalist through twitter, my thoughts are with the sky news team. phone call from delaware. good morning. caller: i am disappointed in the "the new york times" article that you read. it seems many of our news media

people do not know what is going on. it is becoming obvious to me and everybody that the muslim brotherhood is a troublemaking organization that believes in violence and death to get their own objectives. the president who was there was trying to implement sure real law, and that is not what the egyptian people want. and they are anti-christian. we should be behind the military, who is trying to bring in a democratic government that does not bring in religious rule. that is probably about as good as i can say it. host: thank you for the call. this is in "the wall street -- "the wall" street journal."

paul is with us from alaska. republican line. good morning. somer: i want to redo references from my statement. everyone needs to read the politically incorrect to guide to islam and crusades by robert spencer. you need to read the 1000-year war in the middle east by richard mayberry. and you need to read nomadic and infidel.- nomad and

all of these books, you will understand that there is no difference between muslims, if they follow the koran, and radical muslims. they both follow the koran. this was proven by the fort hood shooter. he was a muslim. women andsubjects trains their youth, separation of the sexes. -- muhammed does not divide political politics. if you are muslim, sharia law is embedded in your beliefs. prophet l be a new

coming around to change what is happening in the middle east. >> think you for the call. thank you for the call. one of the opinion sections from "the washington post" looking at the aid that we provide to egypt. a similar editorial from "the washington post" --

that editorial is from "the washington post." matt has this view on our twitter page. the egyptian army is quite likely the culprit behind the latest revolution, sparking rebellion by cutting power, energy supplies. next phone call from virginia. democrats line. >caller: now would be a really good time to have a segment about how much money is going to private contractors here in the united states to build these machines that we then send to all these other countries, and we call that foreign aid. we are not just giving money. i used to believe we just handed them money to do whatever they

needed to do in their country. that is not what is happening. we have a private company that lobby congress to get these contracts to build equipment to send over to whatever country, and we call the foreign aid. we need to find out what companies are getting these contracts, how many lobbies they have in d.c. to do all this stuff. follow the money is always a good policy. i do not know if we can stop all this foreign aid if we have lobbyist in there saying, no, i want to build all of this equipment so that we can send it over there. that is my comment. thank you. miriam.ank you, howard, springfield, ohio. good morning. caller: how are you? ask the government,

how can they give out $1.70 trillion to egypt, $1.75 trillion to syria, but it is our money and it belongs here. we cannot take care of social security, medicare, obamacare. but they are giving our money to everyone else. i do not know why the american people are not saying, this is not money to give to other countries. take care of your own country. host: if you are just tuning in are listening in on c-span radio, we began this morning with the death toll of 421 in egypt. that has now been confirmed to 525. the president will have comments later this morning. he is in martha's vineyard in massachusetts. he will be speaking to reporters in the next half hour. the oustedof

president storming and torching two buildings, causing the local has thents in giza, story tells, a two and a four- story building set ablaze. more demonstrations in cairo today. this is a map of he did, looking at the northern part of the country. your thoughts on all of this? thing i need to tell you, the brotherhood, they are the worst people that you can imagine. trouble. all of the you talked about the military. trust me, the military tries to

defend egypt. people who do something wrong is the brotherhood. i am muslim. the brotherhood is the worst people that you can imagine. if they come here, americans could never stand one day with a brotherhood. host: thank you. greg in horten, virginia. virginia.- lorton, caller: we have been involved in the middle east for way too long. it is all about oil. it is why we go there, why we play this game of giving money to egypt and israel. everyone knows that they are enemies. we need to get out of the middle east. they will not- stop. they will continue to kill each other, and that is the way it is. renewable energy in our country

-- even coal, what ever we have to do to get out of that area of the world. the violence over there is never going to stop. it is obvious. aidink we should pull our from egypt. secondly, with all of these people complaining about obamacare and the problem with it being implemented -- well, the republicans are doing nothing to help us work the problem and find a good solution to the american people. everyone knows our health-care system is not working now. we need to do something. if obamacare is on the table now, let's see if we can work it out, instead of going backwards, like the republican party always wants to do. abouti was going to ask other alternatives if we pull out of the middle east. we are hearing your comments about egypt. the president will be speaking for the first time publicly since yesterday.

protests resulting in hundreds of deaths. a piece this morning inside the opinion section of "the wall street journal" from a fellow from stanford university. --says this morning inside "the wall street journal." next phone call from montana.

caller: that guy from virginia who called, he could not be more right on. i want to thank you, brother. we, as a people, mean nothing in the united states. we cannot do anything to make our government move. the corporation's own the government. we are actually indentured servants to these companies. we need our government back so badly. if c-span could help to educate the people, show them what publicly financed elections are all about. we would not be crying about our government any more and our presidents would not be lying to relatives over to the middle east for oil. getting all of these subsidies.

everybody gets a subsidy from us, but for what? to keep oil flowing. these corporations do not pay taxes. people in the united states, wake up. this is not your country anymore, it has not been since they killed john kennedy. wake up, everybody, and find out for yourself, you do not own the government anymore, we have not for a long time, and it is about time we got it back. caller, youevious are getting obama mixed up again with bush and republicans. the death toll in excess of 500 in egypt in the last couple of days. doctors tell about the barbaric scenes in field hospitals. demonstrations took place yesterday, another round expected today. some of this video is from

wednesday courtesy of al jazeera. rickey is with us from fort worth, texas. good morning. caller: good morning. as long as we have big business involved with the government -- we need to go back to the old days, before big monopolies started, so that we do not buy oil, so that we are not over there fighting for the oil that we do not need. it is ridiculous, they do not want to raise taxes for that because they want to help our people. that is the last comment i have. host: the president is at martha's vineyard in that it -- massachusetts. we will have coverage of his remarks. he is scheduled to speak to reporters at about 10:15 eastern time. we will continue to take your calls and comments about what has been happening in egypt. you will have a chance to hear what the president has to say,

live, audio only. there will be a collection of reporters and news organizations there, traveling a fairly short distance about a half hour away be fed back. to so you will be able to hear the president and then the video will be sent in at a later time, because the president is not at the location where that can be sent out live.

we heard from secretary states -- of state kerry and now the president speaking about the unrest in egypt. rancho santa margarita, go ahead, please. caller: >> i'm just so upset because we are spending our money overseas. we shouldn't be giving them a menne. we have homeless people here. we are not doing anything for the homeless. all we care about is the rich. the republicans. we need to get the republicans out of office. they are ruining this country.

hubie: thanks for the call. this photograph from the "wall street journal." the opinion piece i read earlier. just gives you one sense, one insight into what's happening inside cairo. these are security forces confronting a supporter of president morsi. again all of this unfolding yesterday in and around the streets of cairo. want to get your calls and comments. it's the top of the hour. and if you're listening as well on c-span radio, give us a call a 202-585-3881. our line for republicans. 202-585-3808 for democrats. and a line for independents, end us an email at journal @c-span.org or send us a tweet at c-span wj. caller: thank you very much for taking my call. i wanted to make a comment on secretary of state