put children into school settings in which could teaches them. american patriotism. the mothers would take that knowledge back and bring it to the husband and to all of the children in the family. immigration was a critical issue. >> it is extraordinary. it is the greatest of mass immigration in america. in terms of percentage of the population. its 500,000 people coming in every year. they are german. they are irish. there are catholics. they are eastern europeans. the demographic change that the american population is going through in this major movement from a mainly a growing population to one that is based

in the cities and is focused more on manufacturing. it is having a major impact on american culture. there's the question about how do you assimilate these immigrants. how do you deal with temperance as a political issue? you have people who enjoy a pint or two at the end of the day. these kinds of issues that are coming up are the kind of things that are in her sphere. especially when you're talking about what is going on in bigger cities like new york. what do you do for the people will have the least resources among them. kindergarten was a way to get at that. >> she remained interested in kindergarten throughout her life. is that true? >> she did. she had a kindergarten for ruth.

daniel lamotte was back as the chief of staff. both men had children about the same age. there was a kindergarten in the white house. frances was active in higher education. she founded a college. she was very active with their alma mater. >> the 1892 election was a rematch between benjamin harrison and grover cleveland. the first lady, mrs. harrison, just died before the election. how did that effect the election? >> he was never terribly interested in campaigning. it does put a little bit of an impact. it impacted him negatively.

he had no gusto. harrison suffered major defeats during his presidency. the economy was going into a tank. there was not anything that he could do about it. the republican party was splintering. his secretary of state resigned right before the end of the presidency. he wanted to see if he could get one last bite at the nomination apple. the democrats are finding a better recipe to call lasts. in the 1892 election, it was the backdrop.

the crumbling economy and the crumbling republican party. >> in 1892, frances's prediction comes true. there was economic uncertainty in the country. president cleveland returned to office. soon after was one of the most interesting presidential stories. he is the only president to serve two nonconsecutive terms. he gets to numbers in the lineup. soon after, they discovered a spot in his mouth. he was a cigar smoker. it leads to an interesting story in which frances cleveland was involved. >> he called his doctor because the spot bothered him. they decided that it was probably cancerous.

esther was born in the white house. they went to a rental house that they had been renovating in the cleveland park section. all of a sudden, there was an announcement in the paper that they changed their plans. mrs. cleveland wanted to take her baby to their place in massachusetts. she wanted to enjoy the wind and breeze. frances goes on a yacht with her friends. the yacht comes back and grover cleveland gets on it. in the meantime, to dispel some rumors, they said that he was on a diet program. they said he was on the 1890s version of weight watchers. he is gone for a month on the yacht. the press starts to say, what is going on, mr. president?

frances says, he's just having a good time fishing. he needs the rest. he needs this time away. finally, he arrives. he has to go back for a final operation. a reporter finally breaks the story. the administration, unfortunately, decided to discredit him. she wrote to joseph jefferson and said, when you think a child would have more sense than that?

>> were worried about infection. >> absolutely. >> this is an incredible tale. the president is off the coast of the united states being operated on for cancer surgery. he had his entire upper jaw removed. he is with prosthesis. and, he is hidden from the press. >> daniel lamont and frances said that he was just off on a fishing trip. they tried to cover every step that they could. >> there are fears that the economy would tank further. >> this is the issue. there are bigger things at stake, in terms of the american economy. the markets are very jittery. the vice president, who was the grandfather of adelaide stevenson, was not someone who

is seen as being reliable. his supporters believed that any hints that the president was in danger at all, in terms of his health, would send the markets further into the tank. all of the investors would pull out and accelerates a tank that was already in full swing. they had to maintain the liquidity in the markets. the only way to do that was to keep this completely secret. we're not talking about a little secret. they have to do a surgery to make sure that that there are no external scars. >> he sounded like he was purposely ok. >> it must've been a skill to learn how to speak with that. marvin from los angeles. you are on. >> my question has to do with what mrs. cleveland did after she left office.

the next democratic first lady, mrs. wilson, got involved in international affairs and attended democratic conventions. so did eleanor roosevelt. jacqueline kennedy worked to save places like grand central station. did frances get involved in any way? did she attends democratic conventions? did she use her influence politically? >> we will get to that story and a few minutes. thanks for asking that. that is an important question. patricia, your question. >> hello susan. i never miss your friday night program. >> thank you. >> i wrote a book about my grandfather and there is a chapter -- my grandfather was appointed as the secretary of state.

his wife is frances's closest friend in aurora. they often visited the white house. frances was the godmother to my father. i still have the long dress. my question is this -- the temperance movement? >> i lost track of catherine willard. she and frances were indeed good friends. frances introduced catherine willard to mr. baldwin. she took a temperance vow.

she honored that up until the latter part of her life. >> unlike the hayes, she served alcohol. >> absolutely. >> it is not a policy issue of hers. the temperance movement was not just about temperance. they were the biggest critics of her in the first term. >> they did not like her sleeveless dresses or her low net line. they thought she was being immodest.

>> i found myself very busy with my social duties beginning again and my two babies. i give so much time to the children because i won't be cheated by the babyhood by anything. frances cleveland held weekly summits for working women. did she continue that during her second term? >> she did not. she scaled back the social calendar. she said it was necessary from a diplomatic standpoint. they tried to get out of the white house to a house that they had in another part of washington. >> there was concern about the cleveland children at that time. people will concern. how do the cleveland's approach this? >> people decided that they did not like her.

she started closing the white house gates so that the public could not see the children or her when they were out on the grounds. she even uncovered a kidnapping plot, which made her more vigilant to the children. >> we have another video on the cleveland children. >> white house children have always been popular with the public. when she became first lady, she was a young bride. she developed her style. when grover cleveland was reelected, both baby ruth and the harrison grandchild were part of the campaign. this is a piece of sheet music. the music talks about the two babies vying for who will be the next baby in the white house.

during the second term, the cleveland's had their second child. her name was esther. esther cleveland. she has eyes that open and close. the public was so fascinated with them. every time they went outside, mrs. clinton was afraid that people would try to pick up the children. they felt that the first children needed to be protected. they were part of the american family. mrs. cleveland had a second home. they only stayed in the white house during the social season. they had a private residence the rest of the time. >> her approach to protecting the children made her less popular with the american public. the economy continued to be challenged.

by the time they finished their second tour of duty in the white house, what was the american public's view of the cleveland's? >> the economy was in the midst of the worst depression in american history. it lasted five or six years. unemployment was above 10%. he was seen as being able to do nothing about it. in fact, he was not able to do very much about it. frances was seen as being much more withdrawn. these questions about the first family creeped in for the very first time. there is a reporter who snipped a lock off of her hair. there were concerns about the security. the white house security staff goes from four to 27. she is seen as being much more aloof to the american people.

she is not the same personality that we came to expect during the first term. you combine these two things together, they cannot wait to get out of the white house by the end of their first term. >> maplewood, new jersey. hello, sarah. >> cleveland is buried in princeton, new jersey along with ruth and frances. i had no idea. i figured that out. >> we're about to learn the story of their post-white house years. he was a new jersey native. after he ran for the white house for the second and final time, how did they decide where to live next?

>> what is interesting is, she said that they could not go out and look for a house on their own. they had agents. finally, they both came down for breakfast and one said to the other one, i had an idea where we should live. the other one said, i did, too. they decided on princeton, new jersey. it was the best from the time that they got married. they were a family unit. they got involved in princeton university. she got involved in the growing number of women who graduated college.

they adopted princeton students who did not have family close by or money. they provided a home and support for them. cleveland worked with the life insurance association. he wrote articles. >> and had more children? >> they had more children. their first was richard. in 1903, she gave birth to their last child. how long after that did the president die? >> he died in 1908. he probably had cancer. it was a slow, drawn out, painful death. he died in the house in princeton. >> there are a number of comparisons drawn between frances cleveland and jacqueline onassis kennedy, the public

fascination with her and that she remarried when she became a widow. what is the story about her remarriage? how long after his death did she remarry? >> it was 1913. it was to a professor at princeton. he had moved to wales from princeton. he is a professor of archaeology. they were a couple years apart from each other. his name was thomas hobson. she made a point of saying that she and the president had very little in common.

he found boring what she found interesting. it is different with the second husband. they had a lot of interests in common -- they had a lot to share interest. interest in traveling. they had a much better relationship. >> how public was mrs. cleveland's life after grover cleveland's death? >> she had to manage the press. it waned over time. she was active during world war i. she was active with an organization which made him made garments that they gave to nonprofits for giving out in emergency situations. you could still read these items about her. the obsession was nowhere near to what it was during the white house years.

>> she continued to be against women's suffrage. >> she was the vice president of the league of anti-suffrage from 1913 on tell women got the right to vote. >> what was the public's reaction to a first lady who is campaigning so vigorously against women's suffrage? >> it is interesting that there is this split. there was a debate on whether or not it is necessary for women to have the right to vote. whether or not it is important part of women's role in life. mrs. cleveland exercised her own right to vote. yet, she was still part of a way of thinking about women and

their place in american society that developed in the 1870s and 1880s. that first wave feminism. if you want to be the best woman that you can possibly be, that is by exercising authority within your own special realm. this is what grover cleveland thought about what women should be able to do. so, opposing women's voting, and also her language during world war i and when she was doing in terms of trying to be active in supporting american patriotism. the kind of speeches that she did during world war i are incredible pieces of rhetoric. she becomes a very different woman after her marriage to her second husband.

>> on a personal front, she also helped raise some of her grandchildren. >> she did. richard's first wife was an alcoholic. so, they were divorced. mrs. cleveland thought it was important for them to have a mother. mrs. cleveland helped to raise anne cleveland robertson. >> i understand your grandmother was very kind and helped to raise you. >> that is true. she was my grandmother. this one incident happened on a sunday night in new hampshire where we spent the summer.

on sunday nights, we used to get together the family and the cleveland family to sing hymns. we all really enjoyed that. but, each person had their own favorite hymn. one sunday, i got together with a group and went bowling with my cousin and square dancing friends. we had a very good time. i do not think there is anything terribly malicious about it. my godmother and one of my grandmother's closest friends

and called my grandmother and said, where was ann during the hymn singing? my grandmother called me to her desk. she said, with a quiet smile, she would like to have me back for the rest of the summer. she did it because my godmother, who was a very dear lady, was very influential and very strict. my grandmother was trying to be strict with me. i appreciated that. i obviously went back and saying sang hymns. >> your grandmother didn't drink because of the temperance plies the temperance pledge. >> oh yes. my grandmother was older. i stopped by.

i love to see her. i stopped by. she had a porch that had a lovely view of the mountains. she was having her breakfast and she was taking her medicine with her breakfast. she announced, with a laugh, that she was taking her medicine that was supposed to be good for her heart. it was whisky. grandmother had always -- she allowed alcohol to be served in the white house. she herself had never had whiskey. i can assure you that she did not like it as medicine. we thought that was pretty

funny. she thought it was a joke on herself. that was the way she was. she had a wonderful sense of humor. she can laugh at herself. she did not appreciate whiskey. >> that whole interview runs about six minutes long. ann cleveland robertson. we have posted all of it on c- span's "first ladies: influence and image." we have a little depository there. we have just a short time. i want to get larry in from frankfort, kentucky. >> good evening. a question for dr. dunlap. local history suggest that eleanor lindsay was a very close

friend of frances because they were both younger women married to older men. i wonder if dr. dunlap knows about this relationship and, more generally, what her relationship with other wives who were much older? >> i do not know anything about the relationship with ms. lindsay. she did an excellent job of having friendships with some of the older washington wives. that was held by the fact that older wives took her under her wing. she was a young bride. they respected her. she had a great relationship with them. >> did future presidents or other first ladies ever invite france's cleveland back to the white house? >> she was invited in 1913.

>> the press took a good view of her marriage? >> there is only one criticism of the remarriage. for the most part, people embraced it. she was back in washington a number of times. she met sherman and eisenhower. she maintains her level of celebrity. >> this is the dunlap biography. >> frank was originally a given name. it was a nickname that she went by. >> what the grover cleveland call her? >> frank. >> in your closing paragraphs, you make the case that she has been lost to history but shouldn't be. why? >> she was strong on education and the arts.

>> and the role of first lady? >> she changed it in terms of putting education in the forefront. she took care of children. she was very concerned about them. >> where would you put her in the pantheon of first ladies? >> she's the first national celebrity first lady. i think we're talking about the development of our understanding of the institution of first lady. she is the first one in which we think about what the uses are all the celebrity, and good ways and bad ways. the first family was owned by the american public. we talked about how that could be a positive tool for the presidency. if only grover cleveland could have seen that. >> thanks to both of you. thanks to our viewers for your

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inshe was very interested how the place worked. she found that it was rather dilapidated and dirty, sort of ominous. .he tried to spruce it up she found old pieces of china and asked service -- servants if they could remember how old the peace was. she tried to catalog and create a sense of what the chinas were. puttinga plan for display cases in the dining room, but that never came to fruition. >> the encore presentation of our original series, first ladies, continues tomorrow night at 9:00 stop -- 9:00. and -- a c-span town hall discussion about education policy.

several live events to tell you about tomorrow. president obama will be at a town hall meeting in new york. of a bus trip promoting his plan to make higher education more affordable. later in the day, in pennsylvania, the president will be joined by vice president joe event.or an that is before 5:00. at 7:00, we will feature remarks by ted cruz at a fund-raising event hosted by the new hampshire republican party. >> this is c-span townhall, every tuesday, wednesday, and thursday evening while congress is in recess. with college students returning this week and next, and with the president making it public

education speech today and over the next day or two, we are going to focus tonight on a couple of education issues. we will spend the first hour talking about college costs. we will ask you the question, is the cost of college worth it? we will give you a couple of ways to participate. the last half will focus on common core standards and charter schools. the first hour, the cost of college, is it worth it? the phone lines --

make sure you mute your television or radio when you call in. #c-spanchat. we will read some of the posts as we go through the evening and we will also hear from a variety of people from different points of view, including the head of the american association of university professors. we want to give you the breakdown from the president on his call today for proposals for lowering college costs by 2015. here is some of what he had to say. and we will hear from you. >> our first friday is aimed at undervalued for students, making sure families and tax pairs are getting what you paid for. today, i am directing our education secretary to reevaluate before the 2015 college year. right now, private rankings like

u.s. news and world report puts out each year their rankings, and it encourages a lot of colleges to focus on ways to -- how do we game the numbers, and it actually rewards them, in some cases, for raising costs. i think we should rate colleges based on opportunity. are they helping students from all kinds of backgrounds succeed and on outcomes, on their value to students and parents. so that means metrics like how much debt does the average student leave with. how easy it is to pay off? how many students graduate on time? how well do those graduates do in the workforce? because the answers will help parents and students figure out how much value a college truly offers. there are schools out there who are terrific values. but there are also schools out there that have higher default rates than graduation rates.

and taxpayers shouldn't be subsidizing students to go to schools where the kids aren't graduating. that doesn't do anybody any good. [applause] and our ratings will also measure how successful colleges are at enrolling and graduating students who are on pell grants. and it will be my firm principle that our ratings have to be carefully designed to increase, not decrease, the opportunities for higher education for students who face economic or other disadvantages. [applause] so this is going to take a little time, but we think this can empower students and families to make good choices. and it will give any college the chance to show that it's making serious and consistent improvement.

so a college may not be where it needs to be right now on value, but they'll have time to try to get better. and we want all the stakeholders in higher education -- students, parents, businesses, college administrators, professors -- to work with secretary duncan on this process. and over the next few months, he's going to host a series of public forums around the country to make sure we get these measures right. and then, over the next few years, we're going to work with congress to use those ratings to change how we allocate federal aid for colleges. [applause] we are going to deliver on a promise we made last year, which is colleges that keep their tuition down and are providing high-quality education are the ones that are going to see their taxpayer funding go up. it is time to stop subsidizing schools that are not producing good results, and reward schools that deliver for american students and our future. [cheers and applause]

>> president obama in buffalo earlier today. he also spoke in syracuse. c-span will cover those. the question we are asking you on c-span townhall this evening. the first question, is education worth it? here is one from scott, who says, destroying the teachers union and their selfish, obnoxious behavior. matt says -- we will talk about repealing in the last half-hour. let's get to your calls. is the cost of college worth it? this is jennifer. good evening. go ahead.

caller: colleges should be for education. it is not business. it is education. it is to broaden your horizons. college is not about getting a job. if you want to get a job, go get it. in the job market. if you want to broaden your eyes, go to college. as soon as we make college about jobs, that is when education comes in, that is when so many people, a for-profit college went out of business. >> are you currently in college? caller: i am a teacher in new haven. >> thank you for calling. our student line. tom is from riverside, california. where do you go to school? caller: community college in

riverside. one of the things i noticed, getting into classes and with tuition going up, every year here in california, it is too much. i am starting to hit that reality, should i continue and should i not? it is a high price to pay, especially with the sacrifice that i could be working or going to school. college is to make more money in the long run. with all the prices going up, it is too difficult to pick. >> what is your goal? what kind of degree? caller: i want to go into business administration. i am not sure i could even afford to transfer if i did. >> if you go full-time at the community college at riverside, what does that cost?

caller: $50. a little over $50 per unit for credit hours. >> thank you for calling, i am checking a couple of tweets. here is one which says -- another one from jason, who says >> george is in greensburg, pa on our republican line. caller: i would like to say i think a college education is worthless. if you're good children go there and they come out anti-god, anti-country, self-centered, and

without any concern for people, it is a waste of time. i would say it is worth it if you go to a college that promotes good values and has teachers who promote those values. >> most of the college kids you see, what kind of attitude do you think they come out with? caller: it depends on the college. i live near a college and their students are outstanding. they have a real sense of morality and duty and things like that. but a lot of the people coming out of state schools and things like that, where you have professors that are atheist or anti-almost everything, they incorporate those values. >> let's go to our student line,

nicole is in detroit. caller: i am currently a student at wayne state university. the question is is college worth the cost. right now, i feel it is not worth the cost. we are facing a situation where i -- i may not be able to pay for classes in the fall. not even over an academic issue, but over the contract i have with housing. i might be kicked out of school this semester. >> you have a conflict with what? caller: with the housing right now. >> is that because it is too expensive or there are too many people in the housing unit? caller: detroit just filed for bankruptcy. they are trying to increase my tuition. housing is too much.

>> nicole, thank you for calling in and sharing your story. this was the subject of an article earlier this week, and they pulled him out about student loans. "more students rely than ever on federal student loans aid." she covered today's speech by president obama and we spoke to her earlier in the afternoon for her thoughts. what new ground did the president break in calls for lowering college costs? >> this is a more expansive agenda than he has laid out in the past. he has proposed paying some parts, to college outcomes, but this is the first time he has proposed tying the first thing into low income students, graduating students -- to get jobs to pay things off. it would be a fundamental

reshaping of the federal aid program. largely unchanged for more than 40 years. >> how much leverage does the government currently have in holding down cost? >> not all that much. that is the tricky question here. financial aid goes directly to the student and not colleges. there is not much they can do to force state colleges to do it they want, other than threatening to hold central asia or give students more central aid. they are really trying to figure out what they can do about this very complex college cost problem. >> that student loan debt is over $1 trillion now. did the president talk about how to get any of that under control? is this an admission by the administration that the efforts

to fund colleges through more student aid have hit a brick wall, and they have to go through the schools themselves to help lower the costs? >> that is a fair way to describe it. president obama is a big believer in financial aid. helping people to get to college. that will not be enough and the colleges themselves will have to do things differently or to do more to stay affordable. this is an effort to use financial aid as a carrot and stick to try to make them do that. >> if you had to name the number one factor in the cause of the rapid rise in tuition, what would that be? >> that is a tough question. a lot of factors are driving it. the recession has been hard on state budgets. higher tuition. if you are talking about colleges across sectors, it is

really too multifaceted to point to a single cause. >> a number of members made comments after the president's speech, including the education and workforce chairman in the house and you tweeted about some of his comments earlier today when he said the ranking system could kurt tell innovation and lead to federal price controls. what are you getting at? >> house republicans do not seem ready to jump on board with this plan. many colleges are concerned. there is a sense this could be considered more of the same on higher education as a whole. there have been proposals from republicans in the past to do rise control or something that looks very much like this, but that was about 10 years ago. that era has definitely passed among house republicans. >> you can read her reporting at

politico.com and follow her on twitter. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> back to our comments on c- span town hall this evening, asking you for the next 45 minutes or so, is the cost of college worth it? south dakota, democratic caller. caller: hello. how are you doing? >> doing fine, thank you. caller: good. >> is the cost of college worth it? caller: definitely worth it. i earned a bachelor's degree from the university of south dakota. with that, i was not able to do a lot. they did not do a teaching track. i eventually started writing

proposals and got a contract to native american cultural training. i cannot tell you any other experience that was more valuable to me. and to the poor as well. i am on my way to the montana state university to earn a masters degree in native american studies. >> the whole process started after you received your undergraduate degree? caller: right. >> good luck, montana state? caller: correct. >> good luck. let's hear from another student, michelle in st. petersburg, florida. caller: hi. i went to a four-year college for undergrad and an in law school now. i am optimistic about what the economy will be like when i graduate and i hopefully will be

able to find a job, but things are very tight in my profession, along with others. all of the other professors are having a hard time finding a job, but lawyers, things are a lot more slim for us, as well. also, another struggle i have noticed among some of my friends who, they have a four-year degree and are not able to find jobs because they are overqualified and the jobs are going to students who did a fast track program through a community college. our four-year degrees are diminishing in value. >> where did you do your four- year degree and where did you go to law school? caller: atlanta for undergrad. >> you are able to live nearby and make the commute easier?

caller: yes. i live on campus. i made the decision to come here based on finances, because i was offered a scholarship. it is really competitive out here. time where you can make a decision for what your hopes and dreams are, but you have to really take all things into consideration, such as finances. >> when you come out of law school, how much debt for law school? caller: my debt, surprisingly enough, i cannot even calculate. >> i did not mean to raise a sore subject. caller: it is fine. the scholarship helped out my decision. >> thank you. we are asking our viewers, is the cost of college worth it? we will hear from the president

of the university professors in just a bit. david covers economics and business issues for "the new york times" and posted today the story about the cost of colleges. it is often exaggerated, including a chart looking at the rising college costs over the last 20 years, 1992-2002, and he writes in part of this article, the costs of increase in higher education are not as high as they are made out to be. higher education -- health is obviously an example. prices have increased very rapidly for funeral services, daycare, legal advice, over time, the cost depending on skill and human labor go up here

that is the reporting of david from "the new york times." from massachusetts on the republican line. make sure you knew your television and radio and go ahead with your comment. caller: ok, basically one of the major contributions [indiscernible] senator elizabeth warren was making $350,000. her husband was making $350,000. that is three quarters of $1 million for two of them. basically, i think she had one class she was giving. >> they were teaching at harvard? caller: correct. once again, they have tenure. there is no way to get out.

that is the beginning. the fact we give all this money to these poor kids to put into these colleges, and they do not even know if they will get a job when they get out, the whole thing is ridiculous. you have to make sure if you give somebody money to go to college, that a job will be there when they get out. otherwise, you are throwing away half this trillion dollars. >> marty on the democrats line. caller: good day. >> go ahead. you're on the air. caller: i would like to say i have not heard from too many people -- the last guy touched on it. there has to be a job available. what i did in college back in 1967, i took an aptitude test and found out what kinds of things would be suitable for me. my life experience, would be a little bit happier by getting a job like that.

they also told me at the pharmacy, the job teacher would be better. more of them. it worked out that way. i am retired now. i think vocational schools are underutilized and education is the best thing to give a kid. it is that her than giving them an inheritance. >> thank you for your call. we have a line set aside for students you can call in on. asking you if the cost of college is worth it. joining us from a university in ohio, the president of the american association of university professors, rudy, also an economics professor. thank you for joining us. caller: pleasure to be here. >> going back to the presidents comments as evening and is pushed, we are cutting college costs and setting standards for

university and colleges. a federal policy by 2015, your organization, what is your reaction to the president's proposals and do you find common ground with what he had to say? caller: the concerns are the same. we are definitely concerned about the rising tide of student debt and tuition. we would differ fundamentally in how to approach dealing with the problem. the idea of a report card, i think, is something out of a playbook of no child left behind. i do not think it has worked real well in k-12. i do not think it will work really well in higher education. there is a potential for a myriad of problems in establishing the report card and

coming up with comparable data and, in the long run, one of the things that will likely lead to is a kind of standardization of the curriculum and basically taking control of the curriculum out of the hands of the faculty. i think that will be bad for students and dad for higher education. >> your organization, what to use c as the number one way colleges could work to keep costs down? caller: they need to take a long look about the priorities they have, where they spend their money. there has been a tremendous growth in the number of administrators in colleges and

of administrative salary at colleges. there are a lot of things colleges are doing that are not necessarily relating to their core mission, bearing different kinds of entertainment. one example is intercollegiate athletics. at almost every university, intercollegiate athletics is heavily subsidized. again, that is not really the core mission of teaching students and producing new knowledge. it is a combination of those things. the other thing is it is really not just a matter of controlling costs. the distinguished men to train what is happening to the price of higher education and what is happening to the cost. the price is rising more rapidly than the cost, primarily because of cuts in spending. that is the real culprit in

rising tuition, particularly in more recent years. and so, i think having government, state government and and so, i think having government, state government and the federal government, really invest more in college, would go a long way toward helping to reduce some of the price or tuition increases. that is what most students and their parents are concerned about. >> the report earlier this week said, for the first time, more than 50% of students at american colleges get some sort of federal student aid.

do you think the increased amount of federal student aid is a big factor in driving up college costs? if colleges know the money is available, it is easier for them to raise tuition or other fees. is that a factor? caller: i do not think so. most studies i have seen would suggest that increases in aid are not something driving up tuition, that, these are -- a lot of it of course is aid distributed in a very on even way. one of the things we ought to be taking a look at is particularly the for-profit sector, which has an exceedingly bad record and many of those students are the recipients of aid. in the public sector, to a large degree, when you look at the rising prices, there is a very strong correlation with the decline in state aid, which has been going on now. there have been ups and downs.

for a long time, for the last 30 years, effectively, we have been dis-investing in public higher education. >> the current president of the american association of university professors, joining me this evening from ohio. thank you for your country meeting to the conversation this evening. caller: it has been a pleasure talking with you. >> more calls and comments for the next half hour. we will talk about calls and comments and the president's comments earlier today. a couple of tweaks before we get back to that. they are on their august recess and we hold our c-span town hall

over the next month. speaking of ohio, the congressman from ohio says, -- another one, holding a town hall this evening in mississippi -- he posts a picture on instagram of the folks coming into that town hall in mississippi. also this evening, john boehner is holding a conference call with republicans. politico reports on that. the headline -- they write the republican leadership hold a conference this evening. topics expected to be discussed include immigration reform legislation, government funding and the debt ceiling, and those issues are expected to be top priorities in the fall.

they said conference calls of this nature are typical during long recesses. the house has been out of session for three weeks and does not return to washington until september 9. back to calls. caller: hi. my son is a student going to college. he is going to a private college. my husband and i are both middle-class americans. i am a teacher. the costs are daunting. by the time he is done with school completely, $250,000 in loans. he wants to be an orthopedic surgeon. >> right. caller: of course you when you talk to move ahead and break

those barriers. we get a bill in the mail for 30,000 something dollars every few months. >> how many loans is he taking on himself and how much are you and your husband taking on? caller: we are tying to do the best we can. we are paying as much as we can. we also have a junior in high school. they are both top students. they deserve for all of their hard work and operative put in all of these years, why

shouldn't they have wonderful careers? my son wants to be a surgeon and help other people. he goes to a college and is focused on service and helping others. he is focused in his studies. >> thank you for your call. we'll hear from karen, a student in texas. caller: hi. i think education is important. the cost of college is far too high.

i agree with previous collars that college is only worth it as long as there is a job available after you graduate to pay off student loans. you can have thousands of dollars of debt for a loan and not have a job to show for it. it really doesn't make sense to waste dollars for people to get degrees in areas that are not going to benefit the economy. that is just my personal view. >> thank you. recently on book tv, we covered a discussion on a book about the costs of college and whether it is worth it. here is a look. [video clip] >> one third of millennial's regret going to college. it was better for them to work and earn money. 42% call it overwhelming. 35% of graduates with debt are more than 90 days to link went on their student loans. the average graduate in 2013 at a debt burden of around $30,000. the median debt burden is $14,000. it is still quite a hefty sum of money to be burdened with when he come out of graduate. a new report in congress says student loans have increased

from $550 billion in late 2007 to under $1 trillion in 2013. in only six, five years, we have doubled the amount of debt in this country with pretty bad effects. the major culprit with this begins with the schools themselves. they are capitalizing on a prominent social belief that to make it in the labor force as a worker, as a human being, you need a college degree. speaking from experience, i see people and meet people who do not have college degrees. there is a feeling in themselves and the perception by other people that if you are without a college degree, you somehow messed up in life. i do not think that is a good thing. i do not think that is america. schools can raise prices to capture students who can pay full price.

people will pay that because that brand is synonymous with achievement in american life. what has happened is a lot of second-tier schools have followed suit. they have also raised their tuition to levels that most people cannot pay. not to make schools the whipping boy, but george washington university is one school exemplar of this. it is the most expensive school and the country, but no one would say it is of the highest quality. it is capitalizing on the belief that price is synonymous with quality. if you are a parent or student who maybe is uninformed about the college process or informed, you think, if i said make it there, you will have a great shot at achievement.

there are a lot of kids out of gw coming out with huge amounts of student loan debt. when colleges capture this money, they sink it into expensive building projects and student centers and rock timing walls and things like that. they are fun. i went to american university. i was a beneficiary of a lot of these amenities. in truth, they were unessential to the learning process. i would have been happier less in debt and having a less nice dorm room or cafeteria or something like that. lastly, they play a game with financial aid for low income students, which i think is at times somewhat despicable. there is the ubiquity of student

loans. anyone who wants a student loan in america from the federal government can get one. schools like to raise their prices and do not have a lot of compunction about doing that. there is a big area of hypocrisy. social justice, fairness -- there are various moral perspectives in bettering the world, and that is fine, but if you are going to hold to notions of economic and social betterment as universities do come you better be prepared to be honest with students when they are ready to sign $20,000 of a promissory note for your student loans. >> back to your phone calls in a minute. we will also talk about k-12 common core standards.

here is a headline from "the washington times" -- holder sues texas to stop voter id law, congressional maps. they say they are intentionally try to discriminate against minorities. the lawsuit was a response to a june supreme court ruling on the civil rights voting rights act that limited the federal government's ability to demand prior approval of changes to its voting loss. "we will not allow the supreme court's decision to be interpreted to suppress voting rights. the department will take action against restrictions that tend

to hinder access to the ballot box, no matter where it occurs." that was attorney general eric holder. there is a headline tonight. gop -- obamacare showdown crisis. there is a letter written to the speaker john boehner. the story is that house republicans representing the most conservative of their party urged to defund obamacare. the letter is spearheaded by a

republican of north carolina. it does not mention the government shutdown. that is what the strategy would provoke by an appeal. also, one more story. the national journal has the story about hearings coming up on climate change. you might have heard about additional evidence on global warming. the house gop plans mega hearing on climate change on september 8 team and inviting leaders of 13 federal agencies to testify. it will be the first time since president obama unveiled his limit action plans in june. officials will testify in capitol hill. we will get back to the conversation on the costs of college. illinois. democrat line. caller: hello. >> hi there. do us a favor and you to your tv. caller: my name is liz. i work as a student loan counselor for the past 13 and a half years.

what we work with is a lot of schools and students. in the past 13 years, i have seen the amount of student loan debt skyrocket in the amount of money that is being charged for the students. one of the big problems is so many people, the parents, the students, do not understand how to repay their student loans and they do not understand what the requirements are to repay them. they stick their loans into what is called for parents. they get this huge amount of capitalized interest added onto their loans. they are building up chubby loans. at the end of four years, they owe three times as much as they borrowed. some look at continuing college. they are looking at minimum wage or they have no jobs. >> from your experience, where

does the fault lie? in the beginning where they do not understand what they are undertaking? or are the loans not explain as clearly? caller: a lot of them are so excited about going to college. they have this opportunity. there is no explanation as to what you will get into and how you'll repay it. these are the requirements you will have. i have had people tell me, "i got financial aid. i do not have to pay it back." or someone said, "i got my loan

from fafsa." no, you got it from the government. you owe it to a lender or servicer. they really do not understand how to go about paying it back. >> when a student graduates from college, along with that diploma, are you handed a statement saying, here is what you pay and here is what you owe and this will be due in six months? is that typical?

>> no. a lot of the times -- and we are going through servicer changes is that they really do not understand. if they called their servicer, they will not tell them what the exact amount of the bill will be. they do not know about the possibility of expanding it and have to defer it. that is what we do. when they are leaving school, we go through a whole thing where we explain to them, this is what is coming up. the majority of them never looked at it while they were in school. they do not know how much they even borrowed. >> thank you for sharing all of that information and all of your experiences. let us hear from a student. nicholas from pennsylvania. the student line. caller: hi there. >> where are you going to school?

caller: i'm a business student. i'm looking at a few colleges in d.c., such as american university. >> without getting too personal, are you concerned about being able to pay for it? caller: absolutely. i like that segment from book tv. it spoke truth. i hear it from my friends all the time.

they say, i'm going to a $50,000 per school. they must be superior. that is not always the case. colleges are getting more expensive. it is hard to remember that in most cases it is the greatest investment you'll make in yourself. statistics are thrown around at my high school all the time. those who go to college make about $1 million more in their lifetime. you hope to get it back. >> have your folks giving you a dollar amount in which you can i go above this amount? caller: at this point, no.

it is also that they push hard for making sure i am applying for scholarships and getting financial aid. that is where it will help. >> thank you for being with us this evening. we covered a recent hearing with arne duncan. he was asked about the initiative costs and colleges. here is what he had to say. [video clip] >> last week i had the opportunity to meet with more than a dozen college university presidents from my district and surrounding districts to discuss the issue of the high costs of higher education and the cost the students have of loan debt. we know that the department of education requires colleges and universities to collect a great deal of information and report that information to the department. that level of reporting continues to grow. i would ask mr. secretary since it comes back to the student, including the reporting, has anyone in your department looked

at the financial impact of all of this record-keeping and what it is costing the universities and the students? >> great question. we have questions that are redundant or burden some. those are the kinds of things we do not want to impose on folks. we are helpful. dollars are scarce. we do not want to waste time or resources. we want them to focus on completion rates and not paperwork. >> we appreciate that. do you have any list rations of what you are doing? >> the challenge is to ask questions. i do not give concrete specific to dues. the more specific you can deal with this piece of data, the more concrete you can be, that is helpful.

the bigger issue is the college costs. we have done a lot to make it easy for us to apply for financial aid. we have incentivized three things -- states to invest it, responsibility, incentivize universities. we want to be a partner. >> back to our question, is the cost of college worth it? 202-585-3885 for republicans. 202-585-3886 for democrats. 202-585-3887 for students. #cspan chat. here are a couple of tweets --

this one is from anthony -- we need college to compete internationally. reward those schools who are keeping college affordable and still maintain quality. studentslast says -- why such myopic college focus? many jobs that require college education can be shipped overseas. let's also build up the trades like germany. next caller. caller: i'm an independent, but there wasn't an independent phone line. i think we all come to an agreement that it is practically a gamble. the economy -- there's one thing i wanted to comment on.

no one has really talked about it. there are loans that is almost a subdivision of welfare. some people in my division that can i get government assistance turn to student loans because it is a loan that cannot be denied. they get extra money to help pay for housing and things i that. that has put a lot of people into debt and they have no intention of ever graduating. they have low-paying jobs. >> don't they have to have be doing some sort of college to get a student loan? caller: right. but their intention is not to get education. it is to get money to stay afloat. it is a loan that cannot be

denied. i do not know if that affects anyone else. i wonder if they can do anything to make restrictions on who can get in or something to fix that. i know for a fact there are many people who went back to college for the simple fact that they can get money to help them in housing and their low-end jobs. i want to touch on one thing on education -- the structure of our education system, it is almost like we make followers instead of making leaders. i wish they would teach kids to lead instead of following. teach them how to great businesses. something like that. >> thank you.

tom in florida on the democrat line. is the cost of college were they? caller: yes. thank you for taking my call. definitely. i speak from my own standpoint. on my level, i'm the minority. i got my college degree through the va. part of it paid by the va and part of it paid that my parents. the way i see it, it all depends on what you pursue in life. i want to use the ring you buy when you graduate. if you wear it for the people, maybe the name of the university. in my case, i wear it for myself. i graduated for myself. not for anyone else.

it was a goal i wanted to obtain. the obamacare -- now they are removing the person that is not part of the medical plan. do you follow me so far? there are forcing people to buy their own insurance. if you do not have an education, you will not be able to obtain such benefits. you must acquire a good physician in order to afford insurance. the other part i want to close my statement in is that we have to remember capitalism has taken more people out of poverty than any form of economical or governmental shape. you have to have the knowledge. unfortunately, in grade school you get the basics. you have to go to all of those motions to understand accounting process. you have to understand the managerial process. >> before we let you go, where did you graduate from? caller: from a university. >> great.

thank you for joining us this evening. we will shift gears for a bit. we will look at the common core standards that are being shifted a little bit. let us hear from houston on our student line. welcome. houston, texas. go ahead. caller: hello. >> you are on the air. caller: i go to texas a&m university. i have a comment whether there is a relationship between student loans and graduation. when you are a professor, you're

the one who benefits from the availability of student loans. allows more students to attend the university. there would be an availability of liquid cash that comes to the university. providing student loans to everyone and raising tuition, special private universities, there is another side to having student loans available. you raise the price of tuition across the board. >> how far along are you in your education at a&m? >> junior year this fall. >> good luck to you.

we go to alabama. go ahead. republican line. caller: yes. thank you for taking my call. i should mention that it seems to me like the only reason to most people have an incentive to go to a school is for -- i'm glad he mentioned the ivy leagues. there's a lot of social and future business partners through that type of school. someone else commented that that is what he was looking for.

>> he was looking to go to an ivy league school or what kind of relationships could be formed? caller: ending it is mainly a universities -- i think it is mainly universities. if you have that gap between ivy league's and student aid, it seems like there's nothing for a middle-class student. >> let's get more calls on the costs of college. we'll hear from an assistant editor regarding common core

standards for k-12. students return to school. mitchell. indiana. caller: hi. thank you for taking my call. i feel like college is not worth it at the moment. tuition is going up. >> where do you go to school? caller: a university. it seems that students are applied more pressure at the schools. there are increasing costs. >> mitchell, thank you for your call.

we change the focus of the conversation. thank you for all of your calls on the cost of college. next we will look at k-12 education and what the federal government role is in that. the so-called common core standards in schools this year. we will speak to that assistant editor of a publication. justin amash was asked about a question at a town hall last week. [video clip] >> i'm very concerned about something that was very subtly passed all across the land that affects all of our children. it has not come through the legislature. it has come from the department, the state department of educationa. it is a federal takeover of our education, including all of our children. it includes private schools and homeschooled children. it is called common core. i'm very concerned about this. it is data collection on all of our children, including putting them in a national database with private information. 415 items on every child. the collect this database involving that.

they are breaking three federal laws. they are going against the 10th amendment. that says that states are to be in control of education. state and local control. they have changed the family rights and privacy law so that they can collect all of this information and the purpose of it is to dumb down our children and to indoctrinate them with left-wing ideology so they will accept left-wing ideas of our government -- of our country and

our countries history. it is dumbing them down. teachers and parents that do know about it are very concerned. i talked to a teacher last night at the county fair. they were very upset. most parents do not even know about it. they sneak it through going through that state department of education. they are the ones who signed this on to the consortium that we are a part of. it passes a line that we have never passed before. it takes away any say from

it has been given control to this consortium. there is nobody to go to if we do not like it or if we want to change it. i think that arne duncan, there needs to be hearings on him and his activities. i learned yesterday that our kellogg's foundation has given $400,000 to the department of education so they could form data information on all of the preschoolers. >> i'm against common core. [applause] i do not want the federal government telling our schools what to do. i think that is a bad idea. teachers do not like it. it is not good for students. education should be something that is handled locally. we should have states competing to have the best system rather than having one standard that creates problems for the whole country. i'm against common core. we should return control to local families and local governments. >> you are watching c-span town hall here on c-span and c-span radio every tuesday, wednesday,

and thursday. we focus on public policy and politics as congress is in recess. we will stay on education and look at the common core standards you heard about in the justin amash town hall meeting from last week. joining us is assistant editor for education week. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> make a comment on what the standards are and when they are expected to be implemented. >> common core was an initiative that began in 2009-2010. at that time, every state had its own set of standards in english, arts, mathematics. state standards are so jampacked with content. it was impossible to spend time on any one thing in depth. also, cross state lines, educators lacked a common

language for key subjects. we wanted them to dig more deeply in the topic and really understand mathematical principles. the common core standards are something that many states have accepted as are standard. it is areas that students need to know. it is not a curriculum. they do not tell you that you need to spend five weeks on fractions or cover "to kill a mockingbird." there are broad states of knowledge of what they should know kindergarten through 12th grade.

>> there was a story in "the new york times" earlier this week. critics pounced on the headline. why has the debut been rocky? that is the argument critics have been making. >> people were criticizing the standards on two fronts. there are some who object to the content and others who object on political grounds. let's begin with the political argument. the federal government did not have a hand in writing any standards, but it gave states incentives to adopt them. there are two main methods. there was some competitive funding that was appropriated through legislation in 2009. as part of that, the federal

government said, we would like to make some changes to the education system. we need competition. they called it college and career readiness standards. they are interested in doing a common core. they went ahead and adopted the common core. that was written so they could master all of the skills k-12. and so, the other thing, we will

allow you to waive the no child left behind act. that law was signed in by george w. bush. it is governed programs for disadvantaged students. essentially we hear from conservatives, tea party members in particular, that this is inappropriate. we also hear that there are progressives, people on the left-end of the spectrum -- there might be more standardized testing. you have people on the left and the right who have critiques of the standards. there are concerns about the content and the skepticism on fairly nuanced issues. there are literacy standards in which they expect students to work a lot with textbooks, including nonfiction and not just fiction. diaries. there are some traditional things. also, you might be expecting too much, but they have to grapple with text content. there are some struggling readers. >> we will open up the phone

lines in a minute. we will ask our viewers about the government's role in k-12 education. states get a warning about the no child left behind. they said the education department last thursday said that three of the 40 states granted waivers from the no child left behind law were at high risk of losing them. what is going on with that law as it stands now? >> more than half the state has been granted waivers from some provisions of the law. there was a timeline in which students were supposed to be at grade level for reading and

math. clearly that did not happen in most states. one of the waivers is that timeline provision. more than half of the states -- i think i will probably get the number wrong -- have granted provisions. in order to get the waivers, they had to agree to some changes. one is to adopt systems for teachers that included information on academic progress of the students. if you are a good teacher, students should be making enough academic progress each year. in the states you referenced a minute ago, they have problems getting their system into place

he had been given a little bit of a red flag in the department on that. >> joining us on skype is stephen sawchuck, is this an editor for education week. thank you for the update on common core and more. good to have you with us. we open up our phone lines. what is the role of the federal government in k-12 education? the line for republicans is 202- 585-3885. the line for democrats is 202- 585-3886. the line for parents is 202-585- 3887. caller: they were talking about

student loans and a plan for federal spending by the president. he knew it would be a tough sell on capital hill, but he would not need congressional authority. how is that possible? that was the question. why would it be federally issued when it should be more of a state issue? >> they would evaluate colleges on several criteria, including average tuition and student loan debt, graduation rates, and average earnings after graduation.

north carolina. democrat line. caller: hi. i'm an independent, but you do not have a line for that. i love the idea of the common core. i saw that the lady was concerned about the data information being taken from the students. in order to find out the program will work, who is benefiting and who is not, that is needed. i have no problem with the data being taken. some say there is a program to indoctrinate students. i have went to school in three different countries. one of the problems here is that you can go to school in new york, don't finish high school, go to a school in north carolina, and they tell you you do not have enough classes to graduate. we have to keep you back to grades and you go to another state and they say we have to

put you forward. there needs to be some type of standard nationwide in order for the youth to overcome being left behind. a lot of the states are asking for a waiver. they do not give teachers and the schools enough time. they need more time. >> we go to steve on our parent's line. caller: domestic terrorists -- >> did you say -- caller: yes. >> where did you read that? caller: on one of the websites. if it is true, i cannot understand where this country is going in terms of kids education. >> here is matalin in chicago. excuse me. republican line. caller: hello. i am a teacher that has recently retired. common core for parents, they should not be for the idea. the idea behind common core is to give teachers an expectation of what students will know when they come to their classrooms.

if you are in second grade or in high school and you get a student, you expect him or her to know certain things. we need to be concerned is the hours that teachers are collecting data and keeping records. i'm telling you that you will lose your teachers because they will not do this. or it will affect construction. >> we are asking that the government's role in k-12 education. we are keeping our eye on other town halls in the country. capitol hill newspaper as a daily tally of where they are in terms of numbers. still at the top was oklahoma. kentucky and indiana were second and third. there was a democratic lawmaker that cracked the top 10. we will hear from chicago. democrat line. christine. christian comics use me. what do you think the role of federal government in k-12 education? christian, chicago. >> thank you for taking my call. for the government to implement

common core is very unfortunate. teachers have a potential reason to say, this is the bar. i will help you get to that bar. this is in a sense your own limitation. teachers will have the initiative to be capable of -- kids will be dumbed down by the system. they will not have the initiative to become something. i will just pass my classes to make ends meet. that will fall on through college as well. i say that because of the way some spoke about this previously that academic system is creating followers as opposed to leaders. most students say they will go to school and do what they have to do and that is it. they will follow the system. they will go to school and go to college and get a job.

>> one of the issues that comes up -- school choice and vouchers and charter schools. that was discussed at a panel discussion about school choice. [video clip] >> we have come to a fork in the road in education. one side, education freedom in the form of school choice. on the other side, the push for common core education standards. milton friedman, was the father of the school choice movement. a came from the idea that educational opportunity, getting students out of zip code can find areas would allow competition and all of great

opportunity. we have seen this in the form of vouchers. it is a washington device. it pushes the idea that spending more money wouldn't equal educational outcomes. we have not seen any of this since 1970. in the billions of dollars of federal incentives and no child left behind waivers to states that signed onto the common core pushed on by the obama administration are not likely to induce any kind of further educational outcome either.

the threat to school choice is also at stake.

sat and act standards being conformed to the common core standards. what does the common core containing? math standards that are poorly sequenced. america sees two paths. we start with education. >> back to your calls on education k-12. pleasant hope, missouri. you are a mom.

caller: yes. >> go ahead. caller: our small town does not have the money. this is an unfunded mandate. our school district has put tons into all of the technology and the wi-fi for computers to comply with the standards. we just do not have the funds. those funds will take away money for the kids, for their learning. we also know that 2% move across the nation. the idea that this has to be standard so that the few who do not have to adjust, that is outrageous that the many have to change everything. the kids have to work in groups to come up with an answer and they are all wrong.

what do you do with that?

i have two older children that grew up here and went to school here. i know they're not teaching what they learned. it is supposed to be at a deeper understanding of less information. >> you do not think they are as far along as you two older children were? caller: absolutely not. >> thank you for sharing your story.

we are looking at "the washington post" for an education poll. most americans are sick of high- stakes standardized test reports. the well-regarded annual poll shows most americans do not like the high-stakes standardized testing that dominates education. have never heard of the common core standards that are being implemented in the country. there was a gallup poll released wednesday. it was a picture of where public sentiment lies in regards to public education. fewer than 25% of those polled believed increased standardized testing has helped performance at local public schools.

58% of americans polled rejected using student scores from standardized testing to evaluate teachers. almost two out of three of those polled never heard of the common core state standards. sam in los angeles. republican line. caller: yes. i'm a seventh grade teacher in los angeles. my school -- i get kids at the fourth and fifth grade level even though they are in the seventh grade. i bring them up. under the common core, i'm supposed to start with proportions and have the kids grasp of the answers and show the relevancy of their answers. that is not possible. my scores go up for the kids, but this will handcuff me unbeatable to give them the rounding that they need to be successful at the next level. it is very disappointing. i will have to start the seventh grade next year and the kids i get will only have -- why don't they start in the beginning with kindergarten? right now they are just throwing it out at all levels. this will not work for a while. if i get kids from a charter school just before the testing in may in california, they just

dump them. their scores are low. they will come to me just before testing. it is set for charter schools. if you live across the street where the scores are low, they will dump you in april. my kids do not speak english. they are low skilled in english. it is hard for them to understand. >> this is the l.a. unified school district? caller: the l.a. unified school district. there is no overhead. we do not have computers for the kids. the computer on that desk is a giant box from the 1990s. they'll never give them an ipad. the kids are asking me, do i get games question might i get apps? aren't you worried about your

education and future? no. they want games and be able to take it home. i get all of these holidays coming up. three weeks in christmas. a lot of kids have not reported to school because they are still in vacation around the world. i tell me, we are not coming up for september. my family is from mexico. why would we show up early? >> thank you for calling. here are some tweets -- luz says -- common core standards are experimental, expensive, controversial, and have not been piloted. spencer says -- wish both sides

of the common core would stop politicizing educators. harold says -- we complain about college construction get students chose schools because of the new gym, computers, etc. democrat line. caller: i think the idea of the common core makes sense across the board nationally. it should be true in new york and in another state. it is hard. it will be the same thing with no child left behind. every year you will have students and teachers will not

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host: the story this morning says that three indicted doctors charge patients a fee of alleged they hat were unable to work when the medical conditions didn't exist. guest: that is not an uncommon problem. in puerto rico i think the

of the top 10nine zip codes in the united states puerto rico had the highest level of benefits per that zip puerto rico, amazi amazingly the s.s.a. said there of the ordinary. host: even though the doctors note isn't there a framework to follow up? rpbgts there should be but there with a government run program, especially one from washington. and you have tly this massive growth of the rolls not just those on it but those applying. the system is broken so you have a massive backlog because of applications and appeals. the s.s.a. is supposed to conduct periodic reviews. on are millions behind that. along tem is slumbering and they get at the appeals

level with the judges they are s.s.a. haswhelmed the basically instituted quotas to and the outfitng his represents the administrative law judges has said judges are pushing people isough the system because it easier and quicker to approve benefits. us from silverns spring, maryland, and receivers benefits.y caller: good morning. ssdi i applied for benefits in 2002 with a severe disease.hyroid in 2005 i got benefits but only for one time. working part-time as a contractor. in 2008 it was investigated and got ssdi for six months but no -- i did get medicare

months.y for six still working part-time as a contractor. 20 2012, the end of last year, i ssdi benefits and i'm continuing to get them now. part-time.k that probably was the hardest problem because they kept work, don't n't work. but if i didn't work i couldn't my bills. host: you said somebody told you not to work. that?s caller: well, part of the work.am is that you not you are supposed to be so , sabled that you can't work s.s.i. n you apply for and ssdi at the same time. actually refused to apply for s.s.i. because i wanted to work working and i continue

to work. my was probably part of problem to get the ssdi, which i didn't figure out until later did go without insurance for almost a year and a half. ost: are you working part time time? -- full caller: part time. i have arthritis and that is ssdi for at ve the this time. the caller touches on the problem. she ants to work, but if works too much then she loses her benefits. she didn't specify the person who was telling her not to work. who the don't know "they" was. i don't know if it was a legal or nonprofit groups that help get people into the system. that is a good question. but this points to the problem. the caller brought up s.s.i. that is supplemental security income sort of a sister program.

created in program 974 with the elderly poor in mind it now largely benefits disabled adults and children. s.s.i. follows the same disability determination process. is housed with s.s.a. but the problem with the young oftentimes parents say kid that ooking for a can pull a check. that is find some sort of isability associated with them to collect benefits but the check goes to the parents and kids, a lot of kids who could work or do part-time jobs that with skills help them after they get out of high school they are not working a very sad and unfortunate situation. they end up not getting skills they under up becoming, identifying themselves with disability and inty of working and they end up on the rolls permanently.

g.a.o. looked at this and said in fiscal year 2011 the primary problem ere attention deficit hyperactivity speech and language delay with autism rapidly since fiscal year 2000 determination services examiners considered of additional or second dauer impairments -- secondary and when present they used to support 55% of cases g.a.o. reviewed. guest: yes. are any teachers and i come from a family of teachers i for years and i have yet to meet a teacher who aware -- that they are disagrees that they are aware of kidsts trying to get their on medication because they think taking t diagnosis them drugs will help them get that s.s.i. check. up in is a i grew

-- or known as dr. red line r retolin. are flog to drugs lay with and to have them drugged sun such a tragedy. line next call independent from bronx, new york. caller: good morning. host: you are on, go ahead. with the believe consequence going on and cut nment it needs to be back and i have a question for you. people with hink brain injuries, how would they this?nto guest: if you have a brain

disabled and are you meet the qualifications, then you get a benefit. i will just say with both ssdi the s.s.i. and original intention was for people who truly could not work safety, a backup, and it has become something it was not supposed to be. host: this is sue from troy, line.ri, democratic caller: i'm a former paralegal northeast, and i disease inot crohn's 998 which affects your gastrointestinal system. . worked through that , i got eafter, in 2001 multiple sclerosis. continuing to r,

at the law firm. i was then total that mentally i really wasn't there. so, i had to deal with that and that is kind of irrelevant. i'm concerned about the finding of the program that i paid into for 32 years. i'm 47 years old. but nd good, i look good, i'm not good. forever. things are i have scars on my brain. to change never going for me. it is what it is. thei'm very concerned about funding that you speak of that for me.here host: thank you. obviously, i feel bad for the caller's circumstances. sounds terrible. but that is why it is important to make sure these programs are air tight as possible. i say that, but i think it is

realistically speaking for the federal such ment to administer programs because of the complicated subjective nature of determining what a true is.anent disability host: about 1.6 million pplications for disability insurance in 2008, 900,000 of hem were allowed, 100,000 with a number of claims pending this data was collected then it goes hrough the process of how you apply. there is the determination stage, if you are rejected there is reconsideration stage. there is a series of reconsiderations every time if you are rejected. built into the system? guest: well, that is part of the swaeuituatio situation. you have multiple opportunities at the apple if you are denied. problem you have now is at level particularly administrative law judges. he administrative law judges are employees of the social security administration but they

re very independent and they ear the hearings if a claimant so chooses to appeal a negative decision. o, while most initial applications are rejected, they many cases in because of technical reasons -- don't too much money, have enough work credits. once it gets to the law judge majority are successful. and you have some wild numbers there. you have examples where there was one judge in west virginia 99.7% of his cases judge for back pain approves 90% and another 15%.oves that gets to the subjective nature of it. they come nts, when in there, have a lawyer and that is an issue of itself whereas taxpayer doesn't have a representative or if you want to

say the government do not have a representative. they are supposed to be kind of a nonadversarial situation. that sort of is one of the things i mention in my paper at in the room mebody rpg the interests of -- epresenting the interests of taxpayers because these lawyers get paid to do one thing and the is to get people on system. host: how widespread of an industry is that? watched tv u ever particularly this time of day you may see the guy with the binder and binder, there are certain big firms. law firmshe specialty that figured out because you don't make a ton of money per but in 2004 they made it asier for claimants to be represented by nonlawyers. so you hire a bunch of people on you run a bunch of people through the system and money.n turn out a lot of i believe the "wall street journal" reported binder and

made $88 million in 2010. and the amount of money the spent on legal fees is billion.$1 the taxpayer id spent but you said the government needs a to go against the lawyers. guest: the government being funded by the taxpayer. government does we're paying for. o if the government is represented i meant that the taxpayer interest is being represented. is up next.y levittown, pennsylvania, republican line. caller: nice to be on c-span. question is i have been ighting for my disability for almost from 2006 up to now and i t got the appeals back and have to go back in front of the judge.

how come i have to keep fighting for it? this dismiss d the uphill i should be able to get it, right? guest: sounds like the social administration and law judge you spoke to disagree. host: brenda up next from florida, republican line. caller: yes rb, i would like toy opportunity.r this my first point is the gentleman said there are worthless i.o.u.'s in the ssdi fund. i.o.u. means theft. you are borrowing money from a to support and putting theft.s means it is you are taking from taxpayers -- i think you ot get my point. i worked for 35

yea paid intoyears, and i the system for 35 years. , took me almost three years and medical records about three get my hick, to disability. i have heart disease. it is a condition that kills my family anywhere from 27 on up. i was diagnosed with breast cancer. so, i'm glad i hung in there and ought for it, but i could have gone broke trying and lost my home trying because of the debate that goes on. luckily i had an attorney and get an t i needed to attorney to protect me. but the people that are wasting fund, are people that , that arey worked any claiming to be personality such ers, mental illness

as -- well, you know what i'm about. host: in your three years of working for this how many times appeals o through the process and what was the involvement there? stpwhr caller: i was initially turned down right away and they tell you that is what happens. back a second time and went with an attorney. of having anrocess attorney it took me almost three years to get my disability. host: thank you. an emotionalhis is tough subject. ou do hear a lot of these stori stories. there is resentment from folks truly permanently disabled that the system is abused. but the question is what to do about it. nd there is no easy solution here especially in the political environment that we find ourselves in. talked about previous ttempts to put controls on the

programs. is there a best practice as far be etermining who can disabled or not or is this omething that should be disfunded all together? guest: i think we should be devolve it down to the state level. ou have state determination offices so the states are involved. but any situation where you can the private sector more involved the better. i have a friend who represents for worker's ompensation claims and the compani company is represented and the taxpayer isn't. inherent problem. unfortunately, the politics are tough here as we have heard from the various call eers. it is a very emotional issue. i'm sorry to say but the average member of congress isn't going o want to stick their neck out on this. host: and no one has made

efforts for reforms of the system? guest: i'm not aware of anything substantive. there might be some talking going on. congressman issa had a hearing on it. look, washington -- ongress is very good at naming post offices after people. taking on the disability system has all 60 years and of these problems will be an awful lot of work. in a few moments kathleen ebelius talks about the hrlatio community. then president obama unveils his plan for making college more affordable.

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gallery, and ait firsthand accounts of the day. starts at 1:00 p.m. eastern part of the american history tv c-span 3. on sebelius was in philadelphia yesterday promoting the administration's outreach to the latino community to enroll in healthcare exchanges. go into effect october 1. his hour-long event includes comments from mayor michael nutter. [speaking spanish] o. welcome to congress mi casa sophy here is is su casa. you for come to go eastern north philadelphia. hat we hope will happen today

is we will move to a closer understanding of the evolution act.e affordable care to share what will happen or you should expect this morning is we have remarks and we will enter into a panel. e will have an opportunity to ask a number of questions. i will ask a number of questions panelists. education, uses on employment, health and social services. first ded the state's latino domestic violence program federally qualified health center. level at the grassroots do you make w childhood e fight obesity. today our focus and emphasis is health.

there are a number of folks here that we are so grateful to be in audience and i would like to h.h.s.ize joanne from [applause] a number of representatives and elected officials and i want to thank being here.r i get the honor to introduce the irst speaker who is somebody i got a chance to work for for a little bit. might know who he is. that is mayor michael nutter. of the u.s. nt conference of mayors he said hardship of american families who have no struggles urance and they face. access to affordable and quality health care is not only necessary, but will serve as a moral compass by which our be judged. join me in welcoming mayor nutter.

applause] >> good morning, everyone. cynthia, thank you very much. et me say at the outset everyone knows cynthia figueroa issshe was in the government and i was working for her. let's be clear who was doing with whom in that. i was telling secretary sebelius i had the great fortune to kind she ke cynthia from where was and all of a sudden congreso took her from me but i'm very proud of her so let's give her a round of applause. applause] >> just couple other folks i i have recognize and some pretty brief remarks. of course, our great deputy

health and human services and health commissioner philadelphia f dr. don schwartz is with us. applause] >> terry gillen is our city of philadelphia director of federal affairs. terry, thank you. nd our regional director of h.h. sfp h.h.s., thank you very much. i get the great honor and welcoming again back like to elphia i would say, and i think there is not much dispute about it that maybe washington, d.c. and her home city i'm not sure has been in elius any other city more than the city of philadelphia. she won't o say dispute it and that is the way it is going to be. the secretarycome

back to philadelphia. secretary sebelius, thank you much. [applause] specifically this is her second visit back to philadelphia on the issue of the care act in particular. as many of you know, we across ready ntry are getting for healthcare exchanges authorized under the affordable act. for some of us affectionately in a positive way known as obama care because this signature items that president obama talked bout, worked on, many have discussed in, he actually got it passed. we want to thank president tremendous for his effort in the affordable care act. we expect toat act begin enrolling people this october. sebelius's visit and

work she's been doing across the is very important with regard to the affordable care act because it is critical for particular andam their health. of patients in philadelphia health clinics are uninsured and below the poverty line and that certainly pertains to as children here in the city well. unfortunately, the commonwealth to ennsylvania has refused expand medicaid leaving many of fellow citizens ineligible for any of the services under care act.able that means that more than philadelphiansed who are otherwise entitled to ealthcare under the new law will remain uninsured. that is a disgrace here in this and across the commonwealth of pennsylvania. applause]

>> somehow, some way our river rs just across the in new jersey, delaware and have expanded medicaid for their citizens, but somehow in the commonwealth of and for the city of philadelphia the birth miss of democracy eedom and we don't have the same opportunity right here. other states across the country republican governors have decided to expand medicaid this process now will bring federal dollars into their states. again unfortunately governor our general assembly won't help vulnerable pennsylvanians and philadelphiaens. result, our state is losing out on millions of dollars of be ral funding that could used to improve the health care right hear in philadelphia and in philadelphia and across the commonwealth of pennsylvania. this must change.

reason not to expand medicaid in pennsylvania and all of us should be talking to our general assembly and governor's office about there issue. ooking out for philadelphians and pennsylvanians is the job of and elected official access to affordable healthcare in ur right here pennsylvania. applause] extraordinary leadership of dr. don schwartz to ave been working hard make philadelphia ready for open enrollment starting october 1. tails.re length a health care with updated information on the affordable care act exchanges. www.phila [website]

everybody get that. he phila.gov home page. we have benefits counselors but we are working to train them to philadelphians to get ready. we are working to train the visitors in health the city about enrollment and give them information about connect their lp home health patients to insurance and will be with the new navigate o navigators of the affordable outreach organizations when they are up and running. i want to point out is the ealth clinics are not eligible for navigator funding under the affordable care act but the city we are putting our own resources into getting ur patients connected to those of theor

navigators. [applause] >> our administration is diligently preparing for october 1. we know open enrollment will enefit millions of americans who deserve affordable quality healthcare. president obama and secretary are fighting a tough battle, but it is the right battle and ultimately americans be the winners. congress has tried to repeal the affordable care act, i think, about 38 times. 40. lost track of two votes. disgrace.so a maybe they should be working on vote being to put more americans to work by passing the make being to put more americans to work by passing the make america work act.being to put m to work by passing the make america work aceing to put moreo work by passing the make america work act.ing to put more americ work by passing the make america work act. maybe they should spend time voting to increase publishing he invest in infrastructure and pass a long-term transportation bill. do their jobs ld

so many philadelphians and pennsylvani and americans can get jobs. they have jobs and health care. and our ing their time time on these useless and endless fights about the affordable care act. the law, it was passed and we won this fight and it is over. to something else. applause] >> i want to thank president obama and secretary sebelius for leadership on this issue and many others. i want to thank all of our local all of and certainly you here today. the affordable care act is here, utilize it and make sure americans are getting the healthcare they deserve. thanks a lot. applause] that, i had to get

instruction from cynthia. the great gentlemen, secretary of the department of theth and human services of united states of america, secretary kathleen sebelius. applause] >> it sounds like the mayor is up and ready to go. i like that attitude. thank you to cynthia and the for not only e having us here today and hosting his important community discussion, but also for being a great champion for coverage. i know the kind of outreach that here ng to go on throughout the community thanks to this organization is huge. to thank the mayor for welcoming me back to

philadelphia. gotten the keys to the city yet but i'm waiting for that. here and greatbe to have a chance to visit with once again. art of what we are focused on around the country is making a chance latinos have to reach their full potential in his country as huge contributors to the diversity of the unitedness stat states. about ino population has 10.2 million nationally eligible nd uninsured residents here across the country. it is one of the highest ninsured populations in america, so outreach into the community to talk about what is coming is nd what is hugely important. not just that you

haven't bought a product of late. public health crisis. we know that people live sicker without health insurance. there is a direct correlation. are less at works productive, that kids are less school, that families have a more difficult time taking care of their own business. is really insurance about a quality of life and it is about the ability for each every person to have not only the security that they if they e everything get sick, but it is about peace health, taking of care of our families, contributing to our community. hat is why the full implementation of the affordable care act is so critically important. you a little snapshot. a law really is about portion of the population who is underinsuredred or

or in and out of the marketplaces. et's start with the other 85% of people. across pennsylvania and here in have elphia most people health coverage, have coverage th relatively affordable. it does a good job on behalf of families, and their and all that has happened with that coverage is it has gotten thanks to the health care law. people now have preventive of the plan art without co-pays or co-insurance. everything from cancer screening to children immunizations have to be covered. everyone will have an make sure that if can stay onr 26 you your parents' plan. so we have about four million just under 100,000 adults here g across the country who would be will red except for the

you. they now have full coverage. we know that small business benefiting lready from tax credits so they can employees erage to and those tax credits will increase. where peopleuation don't have to worry about being andhe middle of a treatment running out of coverage, which appens to individuals all the time because there are now no lifetime limits that can be mposed on policies and beginning next year there will be an out-of-pocket limit year so even insured won't be stuck with bills they can't pay. things have already begun to be in place since the president signed the law in 2010. the last piece of implementation is about to happen. october 1 of this year, as the mayor has already said, 15% of americans who don't have health coverage at all, they will have some new

opportunities. they will have a new marketplace available to them. ecause they don't have an employer paying a share of the coverage they have some help from the federal government. about 92% across the country of who don't have insurance coverage at all or unaffordable overage will have some financial help paying for that coverage for themselves and have family and they will a choice. for the first time ever in the united states companies will compete against each other based on price and service. able to no longer be lock anybody out because of a preexisting health condition. no longer be will a preexisting condition. more for be charged your insurance coverage. very good news. [applause] >> and some of the rules which out or price out or dump people out of the market are changing forever.

so, here is why this is such a ritical period for the latino communities. latinos have the highest right country.urance in the we also know that they make up the individuals eligible for new coverage option and that will affect more than 10 million. in pennsylvania about 9% of the eligible uninsured are hispanic. number is phia that about 17% of the eligible nsured uninsured are will the. more are men than women. away know that there are a 18ber of young adults in the to 34 category who also need that coverage. young parent of two adult sons. i know that getting health not their top priority. they don't get up every morning

coverage.bout health i'm not sure some days what they are thinking about but i can guarantee it is not health insurance. so getting the attention of also a adults is priority in this outreach campaign. lot of people don't think about not having coverage until something goes wrong. we i like to remind folks are all an accident and illness r diagnosis away from what could be a lifetime of unpayable ills or treatment that could save a life. ever before in this country have we had the opportunity that we have today where affordable coverage is within reach. to help individuals begin to of unrollment we have a is site up and running, ours a little easier. healthcare.gov. [speakingh version is

spanis spanish]. anyone can access the website to develop an account, get information about what is coming, get questions answered. the website is designed to be easyy skaurpl friendly and to -- consumer friendly and easy to access and has the kind of feature that you have when you are shopping on line. so if you pause too long say do you want to have a conversation? >> we have a call center open 24 hours a day seven days week and ranslators available in up to 150 languages and that is up and running right now. so, people can get their heard the and you mayor reference the fact that person helpers beginning to populate ommunities across the country including here in philadelphia. so, all community health centers outreach and enrollment individuals. navigators will be available in

communities. then we have organizations and volunteers who will be training help and i was so pleased to hear the mayor talk bout the city of philadelphia putting their own resources -- because we know some people are savy and somebody want to talk to a life person and others one-on-one help and they answered overions a series of months. that is why we have a six-month open period that begins october 1. so, a brand-new day is coming. the mayor's hope that andpennsylvania legislature governor will reconsider the decision to expand medicaid. be a isn't medicaid expansion there will be way too who will not have any access to affordable care tragedy. would be a let me just tell you because i that this is often a myth

is circulated, of the medicaid individuals sured over 80% have a full-time work family. so, these are people who are oing to work every day, they just do not have employer based coverage or don't have the to afford 100% of coverage on their own. a big opportunity, the door is not closed by the federal government. time that the offer runs out. but the federal government for years of three medicaid expansion will pay 100% , 100% of all the newly eligible individuals. the next seven years, for a 10-year period of time, federal government share goes down but never below 90%. it is always at a minimum a 90-10 share. deal at is a pretty good

for the state of pennsylvania. be here andghted to have a chance to participate in the panel. anxious to hear from hilda, panel today.f the one of the great working with. everybody from local favorite and health care communities are and ing up in pennsylvania around the country. president obama likes to remind s that change doesn't happen overnight. and it does not often happen in washington alone. happens door to door, day to day, in towns and across the country with neighbors and friends alking to within another with outreach going on with people trusted. so all of you can be outreach helpers. ou can talk to family members

and neighbors and church groups. links on and put a your facebook page reminding eople that on october 1 there is some new opportunities. we need that person-to-person coverage. we is an historic opportunity that we've never had in the united states. mayor said, presidents for 70 years have been trying to reform.th comprehensive republicans and democrats. and while it may seem that this a political debate, the debate is really over. of law was signed in march 2010 by the president of the united states. year ago the supreme court upheld the constitutionality of the affordable care act and was dent barack obama re-elected pretty overwhelmingly. there is the law and we are implementing the law. so, it is great to be with you. look forward to working with you on a healthier more prosperous philadelphia,

and the united states of america. thanks very much. applause] >> thank you, secretary. we will transition to our panel. i would like to highlight some who will be with us. s mentioned by the secretary, we will hear from hilda. the secretary will join us. i would like to invite dr. don schwartz to come. is staying.r am happy to have another chair at the table for dr. schwartz. consumers.rt with we have asked and invited hilda bit about her le own experience as it has to do

care and her e story and how the bits and pieces connect. hilda, welcome. latina.u can tell, i'm i'm from the north philadelphia area. puerto t generation rican and first to graduate from igh school, under grad and graduate school from my family. >> i'll start over. latina. i'm from this area, from the north philadelphia area.

first generation puerto rican. i'm first to graduate from high from undergrad and graduate school. undergrad uated from i was around 22. etween then and enrolling in graduate school i was employed full time and no benefits. when i enrolled become onskl i was able to get back my parents' insurance because around then is when one of the irst provisions of the affordable care act came in and i was allowed to stay on until i'm 26. past on-i turned 26 and again i'm ain and fully employed a legal assistant insurance.lth o, a.c.a. has been a blessing because i'm able to -- i will be ble to shop for affordable and quality health insurance in enroll.and be able to

for me it is important to have health insurance because i can at any time and incur health expenses that i can't afford. is important y it for me to have health insurance been c.a. has definitely good to me. applause] >> she is a little nervous but she did a fantastic job. applause] >> secretary, i know you get to travel quite a bit around the i'm interested in your observation of her story based community organizations can get the right ental out when you have the elevator speech. what are some overviews that are critical to share? i think hilda is the sentative of a lot of

young adult been legislation. one of the highest uninsured country.ns in this we made a big dent in that population with the provision up to 26 you can be on a parent's plan. if you are said, healthy you go beyond 26, we hope. aged out again or a lot of people don't have parents who have a health insurance plan. so they are still highly uninsured population and it does me that one of the things people need to know about is in new markets there will be a folks ecifically for under the age of 30, a want rophic plan, if they some coverage but don't want all the bells and whistles. will be choices of four different insurance levels plan more comprehensive along with accelerated tax credits depending on someone's income.

for the first time people will find coverage very affordable. we also know that while there is, i think, a myth about young wanting insurance co group, , every focus survey and market said that is not true. right illion stepped up away and got enrolled the last parents' years on plans and most of that was within the first six months. the time and iul want aom folks who say i chance to take care of myself. i don't want to put my parents where if tion something happens they could ose their house or i could be faced with a lifetime of bills. i want to be responsible but i now. afford it right so this is a good day and is something that will take a little extra outreach. we know we will have to use social network sites and a more

effort to tweet or use facebook. we have lots of partners who fof the entertainment community, sports community, who good messengers to reach out to young adults. be used.f those will >> we are very fortunate that our deputy mayor for the city of philadelphia is also our health commissioner and more critical a this discussion is physician. i would like to ask you question doctor.your hat as a we have heard a lot about the policy and some of the financing care act.ordable can you talk from a perspective f a physician why is health insurance so critical and why the affordable care act provides measures from a physician's standpoint? expensive, and as many people here and many of know people here are clear, particularly young

are the great majority of those who are ncovered, if they don't have health insurance they don't have ccess often to preventive care and care early in the course of a problem. for instance, that occur with minor injuries. or outks who are at work playing, who have a minor injury disabled or at somewhat held back and can't do find out if t it, it is serious or not, that njury becomes worse as their life and activities continue until they are at a point that expensive uch more and urgent care and may even have permanent disability from that. for prevention, there are a eries of preventive things, immunization was mentioned by the secretary, but checking for risk for heart disease, hypertension. in philadelphia in particular

people are at high risk for hypertension, obesity and so forth. coverage or care means good advice, medication if needed and assuring for loved ones and young as people establish peoples that not only they but their families can be covered. , a fundamental part of the affordable care act and understanding if we identify problems early and get people access to care for those avoid s early we will both disability and pain and suffering but the long-term cost us if we see people and care for them early. >> in the heart of eastern north philadelphia is a concentration latino community. not all of the will the philadelphia. you mentioned the website in spanish and if the deputy mayor want to respond, can you talk about the amount of resources including the

being in spanish and other languages and also the eeds of un documentdocumented individuals as it relates to affordable care act? >> the bill is crafted in such a those who are un documented will not have access the tax credits or shopping in the marketplace. limited, which is frankly why another very keen we need comprehensive immigration reform. applause] you won't fix the immigration system through the healthcare bill. but i think having the immigration bill that passed the the house, would be a huge step. in the meantime, i would say for undocumented residents we

ave continued a access to the community health centers and an expanded footprint in the centers. health we have additional financing competitivelturally competent community providers those that speak the language reach out. we have doubled the size of the public health service corps great well of the kept secrets in america like the health workers. if you agree to serve in an area, the federal government helps pay off the debts that a and lot of health professionals carry. with we find is when performance take up service in the national health service corps hey stay in the communities that they are serving long beyond their assignment.

there, there will be continued access for undocument and i think there is no question that outreach to in a language and a wering questions in culturally appropriate manner is a huge part of this effort. out of washington. it is not going to come even out people ghborhood that are not familiar with. a has to really be part of dialogue with neighbors and friends and family. and health will -- care providers. that will be the most effective answer people's questions, tell them what is comi need helplp if people walking through an application. failed to mention, cynthia, here,joanne grossi, who is is our regional director here in this area. her office is here in philadelphia.

a team of philadelphia who are sort of the h.h.s. folks on the ground. go-to person to provide help and information and materials for meetings and help with outreach. and he does a terrific job i didn't want to not mention her. >> on the particular issue of dealing with folks who may not of their documentation in order, i don't use the other that some other people do but for folks who are undocumented a couple of things. reminds me schwarz even though the worst of the recession we did everything we minimum ice the negative impact on our health centers and they were last, ast, last on any list to get any reductions although we made cuts all over the city government.

that is one. and i am commit and working with a schwarz to maintaining high quality of service and funding that goes with our eight health centers. [applause] , though, a nd issue what sin think why talked with regard to fox -- folks ed i undocumented i signed the executive order i think in 2010 all of the s executive branchs of the government at least that you service fromomeone the city of philadelphia just be in an may undocumented stanislaus. -- status. so i did that while people are paperwork and immigration on the federal side that is not our responsibility. our responsibility is to provide service to anyone who shows up who is in this city.

[applause] >> so, people should continue to come to our health centers and i ant to mention that jennifer rodriguez and fernando are both here from the relatively new of immigration services and cultural affairs. let us make sure that we are doing our best in trying o provide services to folks notwithstanding any language challenges, documentation status. if you are here it is our job to try to provide best high quality that we can as a local government. that is our commitment. believe it or not, we are coming a little bit to a close panel. time flies when you have great people talking about an important issue. just to highlight, open enrollment, did we miss important dates, what is the website? from go through it again

the federal level and on the ground. at healthcare.gov or [speaking spanish] in is nformation right now available and it will be very state specific information as we move forward. october 1, we and on toll-free e is the call in number. about who information the navigators are in this area will begin to populate so people to go find an individual. i know that will continueso to play a role. that will continue to be a very key outreach opportunity