ensus bureau-- c report on income and poverty. a train wreck. >> and dealing with the funds of obama care is deader dead. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] host: good morning. in two hours house makers will be speaking on and later voting on funding the president's health care law it will be tied into a resident thrution keeps the government running and that known as the c.r. or continuing resolution is the latest battle

between the house and senate democrats and republicans. we begin today with a preview of what to expect. so here in washington, jeannie mccarthy speaking at the national press club and the president on the road traveling o missouri where he will visit the ford motor company to talk about the economy and motor vehicle industry. our lines for republicans and democrats. nd if you're an independent. join us on twitter and facebook. you can also send us an email @journal@c-span.org. t's begin with a look at utside the papers.

delay claims vindication. he was in washington meeting with house republicans. headlines from the "detroit free press" as the president travels to a ford plant in the midwest, this headline, the white house plans a summit. coming here to meet with community leaders on the economy and jobs and the auto industry specifically. front page of the "chicago tribune." in an interview with a jesuit magazine. and this, the pope says i am no right-winger. finally, as the cleanup efforts continue, oil spilling into the mix of the front range flooding. so far the site has been 10 gallons of oil spilled, more than 18,000 in wells county alone plus boulder county and layer marry county.

the flooding that also claimed several lives over the last week and a half. we want to look at the issue on funding the health care law and what it means for the c.r. we want to begin with the comments of the democratic leader nancy pelosi. >> to ensure america can pay its bills and prevent another debilitating crisis in our country. the votes are there. we will provide a huge number of votes for a clean lifting of the debt limit. it only takes some republicans to do that. this is playing with fire. legislative arsonists are at work when they start using the debt limit for their own agenda. >> host: former house speaker and nancy pelosi this headline limit .o.p. passes the

test vote to de fund obama care. and they say their party strategy is unlikely to succeed and not worth shutting down the government but republicans say they must draw the line and use this leverage now. welcome to the program. caller: thank you. i believe this behavior by the or some republicans and i'm pretty sure god put some good ones up there but the ones that are most outspoken are not the good ones. i believe this sbaver treasonnist and they are going to hurt the very people they are supposed to be serving because they dislike one man or because you're trying to serve the tea party or people who can

provide funding for their election. i think it's treasonnist and i think americans need to get up and start voting in the red states and put democrats in. until then, this will not be resolved. host: new developments overnight as congressman eric cantor appearing on the fox news channel saying vulnerable democratic senators could prevent the senate from smoothly passing a clean bill. saying he would not back those of other senate rep dance deep defunding of the president's health care law in the resolution. he specifically called out democratic senators mark pryor of arkansas, mark of alaska and mary landrieu of louisiana all coming from red states where the president lost in the last election. >> and from our facebook page, let me share with you some of

the comments. >> just another day in our do-nothing congress. host: you can continue with your comments and join in on the conversation at facebook.com/c-span. june is joining us from wisconsin. independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. you know, it's just amazing to

me that with all the intelligence and all the grand plans, the republican party just seems to hate obama more than they love america. and i find that very distressing. particularly since we still got the jobs out. out there just waiting for some action to put millions of people to work, and i can't believe they would rather vote on something that they know has no chance of going anywhere. talk about your waste of money. it's really, really sad to me. and i just pray for america. host: june, thanks for the call. from the independent line, joining us from hamilton. caller: i need to concur with the priest caller you had. i'm not understanding why the

republican party scott move forward and focus on things that are actually going to make america better. this obama care act, i mean, i already see, because it's causing some competition among the insurance carriers. nd i thought that's what the republican party was about. capitalism and competition. that's all i have to say and god bless america. host: writing about what they call a civil war within the republican party. and a photograph of ted cruz, the senator from texas, "in the middle of an escalating civil war on obama care, a risk that could turn into a major public relations debacle for the presidential hopeful" he has been urging them to use the bill to leverage obama care

and growing republican red answer about shutting down the government, even cruz's republican supporters say there's no chance his tactic will succeed. they say cruz's handling of the especially-seed sowed is sparking criticism from the house and senate and republicans are turning on each other on a goal they actually agree on, getting rid of obama care. cruz reversed directions saying ted cruz would talk as long as he could to stop democrats from passing a stop gap bill continuing obama care. d senator harry reid may use whatever the house passes to take the bill out of the version to make it a clean c.r. or continuing resolution. then the house will take up the vote today.

the senate expected to take thumb issue next week. lawmakers were expected to take the next week off. meanwhile, this is story from inside "the new york times," a look at what the republican party is dealing with in the house of representatives. they take turns standing up to the speaker. the piece points out that this quote from representative from florida. it only takes one, look at rosa parks and martin luther king. also -- ost:

host: that story from inside "new york times." fom is joining us from wisconsin, republican line, good morning. caller: my first question is, you ever got tree lines. you need to take liberal callers and the first republican. and you read from two liberal publications. what's up with that, first of all, and second of all these people calling in are such communists. the lady from wisconsin probably dropped in front of the capitol last year. but get a little fair, please. obama's rant is poorly like

they run syria. host: lynn next in providence road island. good morning. caller: good morning. i'd just like say that the republicans should stand firm against obama care. if it's not good enough for congress, for their staff, it's not good enough for the american people. wil veed dumping 150,000 people on the system because they don't want to pay for sneak this is not saving people money. it's a big problem. host: lynn, thanks for the call. dean on our twitter page. other 40 wasted votes in our house, people it's time vote. out the bums. and the house of representatives on the farm bill and the headline house votes to cut $4,000 a year from the food stamps program. he pointed it out 15

republicans siding with all the democrats but it was a win for all the democrat kratz opted to cut the food stamp program and scale back the program, the efforts have been difficult. host: sarich joining us from manchester, new hampshirkse republican line. good morning. caller: yes, thank you for taking my call. certainly my friend has done a lot of investigation online about obama care and says for a person like me, unfortunately, i got laid off from my job near manchester, and i don't make a ton of money and unfortunately right now i'm unemployed and he says that's going to be a good thing for me for obama care and i'll be able

to get some of my medicines and see my doctor, so i'm all forit. i know it's probably going to cost other people some money but it's going to help me and my situation, because i'm not going to have my insurance because obviously i got laid off, i'm going to lose my insurance and as far as the food stamp program, they probably can cut back on it a little bit because i know there is a lot of fraud in the system. and but unfortunately now the president with obama, we have right now, probably going to veto it anyway, so i don't think that will go too far. o anyway, have a good weekend. host: even house republicans knows this will go no further. but they will waste america's time and money 41 times. it's the 4st time they have

voted on de funding or dismantling the obama house care law. >> and the washington, d.c. area continues to deal with the after effects of the shooting that took place monday and clasmede 12 lives in addition to the shooter. the scene outside one of the funeral homes. below that is this headline. "the buzz is about iran's president rouhani. " after earlier about the editorial from putin about the oppression and then another called "time to engage iran's new approach to the world." he writes, the world has changed. international politics is no longer a zero subgame sbaw multidimensional arena --

host: in the editorial which is also available online at "washington post."com by iran's newly-elenthed president, and all this coming in advance of the u.n. general assembly which will convene in new york and

the president will be traveling. with press secretary jay carney, the white house the open to a meeting with president row halloweeny and they say they are ready to have a meeting provided iran emonstrates dealing with the rules. and mark is joining us from novelty, ohio, independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you c-span. it's unbelievable to me at 55 years old that i sit and watch the democrats and republicans throw stones at each other. and they all voted for this. now they want to take away their vote. that alone is ridiculous. they are wasting our al and the money. they have done i have the a good part of my life 26789 lady that called in a few times ago, yelling about they need to

stand together, the republicans, yes, they do. they voted for it now they need to back it and get behind the president and our country and quit being a group of nazis. thank you. host: thanks for the call. next rick on democrats line, welcome to the conversation, rich. caller: hi. ood morning. yes, i wish the gop would get it straight. 42 times they tried to refwilled affordable care act. i wish they would get it straight and this chicanery. this is going to help people like me and many of my fellow americans get health insurance. i'm a 54 single man and what i make and pay in health care premeditate yums is ridiculous. this will enable me to put more money in the bank and help stimulate the economy.

i wish the republicans would stop with the politics and i urge my fellow americans to vote them out of office next year. host: again, the headline from politico.com is senator ted cruz, part of a republican civil war while inside the new york times this, spending battle is set for the senate. threatened to use thrage tactics. host: and that news coming from a news conference that took place yesterday with senator ted cruz. here's a portion of what he had to say. [video] >> i will do everything ecessary and anything possible

to defund obama care. >> anything? >> yes. and anything else. any procedural means necessary. listen, this is the most important fight in the country, and it's easy to focus on the political back and forth. listen, this is going to be a process that in all likelihood it's not going to be a single shot c.r. and everything's rolled and done. as soon as the house passes this into law, it's going to be in harry reid's court. and he may well be able to hold his 54 democrats to not listen to the american people to threaten to shut down the federal government to deny american families the same special treatment that big corporations and members of congress are getting. but the that happens then it's going to go back to the house of representatives. and what we need to do is we need to be making the case every day in every way to the

american people. americans don't care about petty political bickering in washington, but on the substance. host: senator ted cruz, republican of texas describing what will happen next week. again, the house will convene at 9:00 eastern time. live coverage on c-span and we'll also have live m coverage on c-span radio. jim sends out this tweet. they all voted for this? well, that's plain wrong, no republicans voted for this disaster. on our facebook page, more comments. the governments should not be in charge of our health care. neither should insurance companies, and all this does is drive up costs for everyone. host: rod is joining us on the republican line from florida. good morning. caller: good morning. i'd like to point out that

obama care has neveral polled over 50%. the majority of americans have always been against it. i'd also like to point out this bill was ramrodded through congress by the democrats and they corrupted the legislative promise there were no hearings on obama care. none of the democrats, congressmen or senators even read the darn thing before they voted on it. they had no idea. they were only trying to protect what obama wanted. regarding that. i noticed over the years that democrats and in general and your black democrats in particular have come to regard obama as a law giver in this country that whatever obama wants, he should get it regardless of its effect on the country. i'd like to point out that scongs supposed to be the law giver this this country. and if we give up congress making the law through the open

legislative process, we are ast headed for did he seetism. i know this pricing glitch in the health-care roll you. pointing out less than two weeks before the launch of the insurancal market -- host: again, the deadline for the start of the program is october 1 which is also the start of the new fiscal year and the other looming deadline as lawmakers deal with the vote today and next week on a continuing resident thrution keeps the government running without the possibility of a government shutdown. anne is joining us up early from belling ham, washington. good morning. >> good morning to you. thank you so much under show. well, i want to have say that

at representing someone. they are supposed to be representing the people. we the people in order form a more perfect union. and ted cruz's crusade to demodel irk obama care is ill conceived at best. i think ted cruz should be the first one fired from the house of representatives and the rest of the people that have been voting 41 times to repeal obama care. it's the law, now let's give jobs to the people in the united states and let's get some of the real problems solved and one of the biggest problems we have right now is congress. so if we can fire ted cruz and his ideas then maybe we can get some progress, because obama wants, we, yes, we can, and we are the people. corporations are not the people, corporate media are not

the people, we the people, and i am going to represent the people, and so should ted cruz, and if he can't do that, he should be fired, today. host: understand ted cruz is in the senate and not in the house but i appreciate your comment and where you're coming from. o'becamea forces private sins to buy a product from public businesses that are profit making against their will. this is tierney. it shall tear any. and point out that since world war ii there has been 35 ongresses and --

host: the view of paul krugman in "the new york times." cedrick is joining us from kansas on the democrats line, good morning. caller: good morning. i had -- i'm going to keep my atemt short. i just wanted to say that everyone is watching this from all over the world. america is so undivided right now. people have already spoken when they voted obama in as president. and i went for years without insurance. and obama care will help undreds, millions of people. for cruz to be as blatant as he is as far as saying he would do everything in his power for stop obama care. i mean, come on. this is the president of the

united states. get behind your leader. there is just so much division. that's all i have to say. michael: host: cedrick, thanks for the call, and one saying ted cruz said he would filibust ter health care law, if he is going to filibuster he is going to have to speak in the senate in till inauguration day january of 2017. this taking place in great britain, with that in mind, this headline. abor eappeared fwault with our -- host: and the guardian newspaper has a new book out

called "the end game" and the story between the rivalry between then prime minister tony blair and gordon brown, who served as the chancellor. and according to new documents released by the former number 10 aide showing hundreds of emails that show the full extent of what they call nasty politics fueled by rivalry. former prime ministers brown and blair. the phone lines are open on the issue of the president's health care law. our line for democrats, republicans and independents is pen. one other story we want to bring to your attention. the same firm that vetted snowden also vetted the stpt that was killed on monday, the shooter that took place at the

val yard and says the person whoal conducted snowden also says it carried out the 2007 background information from alexis when he joined the military as a naval reservist. to the be another blow usis. and our last call is from shirley in atlanta, georgia, democrats line, good morning. caller: good morning. i'm just calling to say that republicans that got on your time about taking three liberal calls and you jump right to his right to what he was saying because he said you better take calls from republicans and then you started taking republicans. >> that's not true. we have been taking calls from

all different lines, but go ahead, shirley. caller: i'm saying the affordable care act is in need of change but improvise and it's the republicans, i mean, they -- it is unconscionable that they would just deny anything that president obama said to do. doesn't matter that this was a republican idea from the start. they still deny, deny and are self-destructive. have a nice day. host: thank you for the call and this is a program for all points and voices. for er says it's affordable health care to 30 million people who cannot afford it. the debate expected later in the day and the issue moves to

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includes funding for the government for the next few months but would also completely strip away the affordable care act or obama care as it's widely now known. this is seen as a victory for house republicans who have been looking for a way to find majority support expecting to get all if not most onboard and they will vote on it and probably be on their way out the door by noon today and not return until next wednesday because they are assuming by -- this is seen as an early victory for house republican leaders because they found a way to bring everybody together but just about everybody else in washington believes this is -- because there's no way this will self-in the senate. host: a question of whether speaker boehner is in control of his caucus.

is he? guest: he says he is. there was a lot of concern last week when they came back from the recess and leadership presented them with a different plan that perhaps they weren't necessarily going to be able to hold on to control but they very quickly came up with this plan they are going to be voting on today and for the last hour or so republicans are running around saying we're more united than ever and now the senate just has to take this up and a news conference saying he may have an old-fashioned filibuster in the senate. so let's move the story ahead. saying it will pass along a party line vote but when it comes to it, senator cruz on one side of the aisle then senator reid saying he will take out the president's health care defunding issue and make it a clean c.r.

can you explain that? guest: yes. he has the procedural ability to just pass what you call a clean c.r. and something that extends funding for the government. host: this will fund government through december? guest: you're looking at about december 15 or so. so this is the first round of a three-battle fight that's going to costume -- consume all of the falls. merely the opening chapter. as he does that, the question is to what extent will senate republicans try to step up and stop him from doing that. immediately after plans were revealed, senator mike cruz and ram paul said good for you, but we're expecting harry reid to sthretch out and it will be difficult for us to do whatever we can to keep this going in the senate. immediately that caused a lot of house republicans to get a little bit angry saying no, you

said you wanted this fight and can steer it through the senate. here it is. take the ball and run with it. yesterday this press conference to senators lee and cruz attended with several house conservatives were designed as a combalm i can't moment. nd of when prompted he did it. but when prompted by reporters, cruz said yes, if necessary he will use a filibuster and all other procedural means necessary. the problem is he will not get support. may be a dozen or so that support him or have a couple for a short ster amount of time. >> we're 10 days before the possibility of a government shutdown.

how likely is is that to happen? guest: i know if i had a nickel for every time i've been asked, i would be able to fund government. but as we've said for the past two or three years every time we approach this deadline, looks like it could happen because there seems to be this real push by republicans to get something like this achieved and the white house would leave democrats to say absolutely not. we have all next week then the house will take it up. then it will go back to the house. they are likely going to have to work through next weekend to meet that midnight deadline on september 30. host: another headline from your paper. i know you and your colleagues have been covering the votes, house republicans chiting the two benghazi attacks. and i just want to show this exchange not to talk about what they discussed but the tone of the questions and the to be here in washington. guest: sure.

host: let's watch. ]> [video >> this was not a gotcha moment. >> i would say with respect we gave four names to the secretary of state that we believe we're failing in their senior leadership and management responsibilities. >> so it's your testimony today that something should have the happened they should not be on the job not having lost a day's pay. >> we made recommendations two of those people were removed from their job. >> schneider >> fired is a opinion and different set of circumstances. i can't -- >> so accountability. >> for the secretary of state. >> but wouldn't you agree there was no accountability? >>no. there was. and mike mullen who helped on this accountability review -- the tone to

again sparking a lot of discussion this morning. guest: i think the news these days is when there's a polite exchange between people in a committee hearing. this has been a valid concern over people eover the past year and this is one of two to mark the anniversary of the benghazi attack. the chairman is very focused on getting to the bottom of this trying to make sure people were held accountable properly. remember he had several hearings and this was designed to now look at what the state department had done to reveal this. so he has now gone investigate what happened and now investigating the investigators who did this behalf of the tate department, former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. mike mullen. where it goes from here remains to be scleen but republicans as valid and important a concern as this is they have also

ored a political points and eager to keep doing this. look. it was a serious situation and people lost their lives and the state department is probably still reeling from this and part of the reason we saw the reaction we saw in yemen and other countries when there was a credible threat and you saw in response to that a lot of democrats and republicans saying perhaps it was the right november hindsight but certainly the oversight committee still eager to get to the bottom of this. host: in fairness there was a polite hearing. and for caroline kennedy who testified in her confirmation hearing expected to be confirmed as the first female fweefedskwla pan and of course the daughter of the late president john f. kennedy. guest: if you can show that picture. she now and the irony is had

caroline kennedy decided to serve in the senate, instead of leaving herself open for this job in japan, kirsten wouldn't be sitting in that seat. so there's some irony for her to give her such a big hug and kiss, because clearly her fortunes put her in that spot because ms. kennedy decided not to run for the senate or be appointed to the senate. so this will be a very easy confirmation. the japanese news organizations that the event, there's a lot of excitement over in japan over what's coming. a lot of people concerned this is not necessarily the wisest choice for the envoy to japan but believe the star wattage of a kennedy going over there will probably help the relationship. >> and this has always been the goal to have somebody in japan

of star wattage. guest: yes. howard baker. walter mondale, so it continues with the tradition of sending someone that they say -- host: if you're interested in watching the testimony of caroline ken dirks all of part of our c-span video library. ed o'keefe from the "washington post" with us and danny is on the phone from new york. where is that? >> polling new york is east of poughkeepsie by about 30 miles. host: hudson valley. guy yes. lovely hudson valley. caller: i'm an exexor recovering republican. host: entertain that means? caller: i had to divorce myself from their ideals, because it got too crazy for my political life and i could no longer into

along with it. but my comment basically is for obama care that seems to be the crux for this whole thing. i've seen positive results. honestly. off daughter and because of obama care we can keep her on our insurance, which is great. i mean, because the job she has certainly doesn't warrant enough to buy her own policy that the moment. i also have a cousin that had a preexisting condition that was dropped and because of it now he can get ensured again and get medical treatment so i think there's some definite real positive things to this. i mean, i've -- i don't know if i'm sold on the whole idea but it seems to have some good benefits to it. and republicans seem to like it. they can't get their way so they are going to hold their breath and kick their feet and scream and holer until they do and i don't think that's any way to run that.

host: danny, your situation is that republicans don't represent you. they used to represent? guest: remind me. do you have a republican congressman or not? caller: yes, we do. it was john hall but john hall last to oh, my goodness -- host: and previously kirsten jillen brand. zpwoip off rep scoon you're from a rep can district. let's put it this way. the white house would will have to hear people like danny convince more loudly. they are convinced at once law gains americans will start to realize there's fwofse this. host: but then there's this, a number of large exemptions indicate that there are mistakes in the bill. is corrective legislation in order? zpwoip yes, and the white house

has said that and democrats agree. the problem is there's no serious discussion under way about looking at those. there's to some extent a serious con very station among some but doesn't involve everyone on the hill. and republicans put forth a conservative alternative flan week, but beyond that, there aren't too many discussions about tweaking the bill. but danny, you are one that believes that it's working out because you've steen early benefits regarding pre-existing conditions and keeping children or offspring up until the age of 26 >> and those are the two easiest proving to be popular -- the question is what will happen at once other parts start to demick in, january. >> from georgia, ed o'keefe with the "washington post." 2k3w50eu head. caller: good morning. i'd like say i was republican,

too, but when they got to taking all these votes, i got to where i don't even have annoying -- i mean even georgia. some of the republicans don't do what the tea party says, they will just raise money and get rid of them. it will be more like a communist country like like hing away thatly you. for no reason of my own, i worked at a place there that long, long hours. i worked for 40-50 years, paid in all this stuff. social security, and medicare and everything else. and tried to -- i really try ht i was trying to help do things but all we do is elect doctors and lawyers and all stheff stuff up on the

theel try do away with people. >> let's go to marcus and hear from heroism >> hello. caller: thanks for the good discussion this morning. i have a quick question. the republicans are so adamant about stopping obama care. it seems like they will do everything they possibly can to stop it. what's their alternative? what's their solution? i mean, everybody admits that the health care system is broke and in this country, but what's their alternative plan? that's a great we equestion, and there was a bit of an answer from the republican study committee that are 100 of the most conservative members of the house republican contrast. they took forth a 181-day plan this week that they say, i

haven't read it yet but i was at the rollout for it. they say it's a more marked or customer-centric approach to health care. a lot of folks that were involved until putting this together are members of the r.f.c. a lot of them are doctors so they have experience doing this and of course they believe this would be a better alternative to obama care. at one point tcharme ask a lease held up in his left and that 2,000-plus page copy of obama care and in his right new held up the 180-page an claiming they can to have -- guest: sprob there is no rescheduling for it and their plan once obama care is repealed, here's an alternative

that they can put in place and you can put it up in a epublican committee >> by the way, congressman ask a lee says expect to be our guest than to issue. ou can wash it on c-span and let me spend a moment reading the portion of this headline. "how to end the obama care debate." host: i want to spend a minute reading this. he says no other federal entitlement has faced such ferocious opposition after it was passed.

medicaid, the joint states federal program for the poor stired opposition but not until two years after its passing. all the states signed on to it and within a year all but two states resisted. but afterwards the presidential nominee outlanded one while pledging its repeal of social security, the party can provide shelf -- guest: it looks to some extent history might be repeatlinging itself. host: the democratic program channeling itself. guest: the problem is weed that election and they are still pushing to do something. host: let's see what happens in january, will there be more of a focus on specific aspects of it? why not pick apart pieces of it instead of focusing on who will

repeal it? even for -- that's changed now because he is seeing the pressure from his rank and file members to do something about it. we will see, again, vinds of fights this to have land the will be attempts to roll back if the republicans fail and the white house succeeds, let's see what happens come the new year. host: good morning. democrats line. go ahead with ed o'keefe. caller: good morning. i just want to say to all the people out there in the world that ted cruz has really shown his true colors. he is nothing but a communist and he needs to take his ball and go back to canada and needs to be kicked out of the i just wished the jithes would just kick him out of the united states. thank you.

host: all right. dave? good morning to you, joining us from michigan, republican line. caller: good morning. to that fellow that just kicked ted cruz out of the united states, what do you say we kick obama out to kenya? that sounded very rude and inconsiderate and out of place. i'd like to say that obama care is hurting seniors. much more than the younger people that are working. are orking people and -- not going to be hurting nearly as much as the senior citizen. namely obama's qe3 programs, the printing of money has reduced the senior's pension to worthlessness. he goes into the grocery store and he is looking at products

that are five times or four times more expensive than the -- than when george bush took office. so the pension is valueless and doctors are leaving the retired communities by the drove it's. because they simply can't make it. oney in with taking billions out of it. so the people that are being hurt are the people that are going to be needing the health care the most. the older people. they are the people that get sick. younger people are quite wheap whatever they have because they don't get sick and they don't use it. and henceforth, you won't hear comp plaints from the younger members. i have someone on this phone i - in my ear, there's interference here. i hope i'm still on. host: you are.

thank you. your snons guest: the last callers, i think reflect the national mood when it comes to this issue and he divide a lot of rep demroons and the coming days and the reason for them on the left for what they might do and of course others who are still certainly convinced the new health care law is not going to be good for americans. host: from oregon our independent line, welcome to the program. caller: hi. i watch this going through, and i watched the way things were conducted and there really was not much chance for

any kind of debate at all. and there were lots of good ideas from the republicans as far as everybody agrees we flood do something about health care. republicans agree that, you know, eyou should be able to get insurance with a preexisting it was rather stunning to see the latest thing through congress in the middle of the night. i'm sorry but i just kind of -- -- to that, and they didn't allow, i mean, -- the republican -- and there are many doctors on the republican side. they had a lot of good ideas, and this is universal health care. it's just coming out as a slow

train. host: if you for the call. let me take up on her point, ed o'keefe i know we've talked about the politics behind the health care law. had the government and democrats done anything twine and 2010. ould that have -- anything 2009 and 2010. would that have -- guest: they would say if the president decided to do immigration instead of health care reform perhaps mood might be different and he wouldn't cessarily be but still there's the immigration reform d he was convinced this was the to have that they had to do things differently. perhaps the debate could have been handled differently.

perhaps they could have -- that they swrount said things they said, but clearly, it seems to be the crux of what brought us to this. the disagreements that continue. and this is really now been what is it a four-year struggle or fight over this. and it's really come to define everything from a standpoint. host: we're talking about the house action getting under way later this morning. expected to wrap up business during the noon hour on a continuing resolution that would also de fund the president's signature legislation and health care law and next week the action turns to the senate, this from the woosh yournl and with that in mind let's listen to ted cruz who had this to say. also from chuck schumer. >> i will do everything necessary and anything possible to defund obama care. >> filibuster?

>> yes. and anything else. any procedural means necessary, listen, this is the most important fight in the country, and it's easy to focus on the political back and forth. listen, this is going to be a process. in all in all likelihood, it is not going to be a single shot cr and on. as soon as the house passes this into law, it will be in harry reid's court, and he might be what able -- he might be able to have his 54 democrats not listen to the american public, but if that happens, it is going to go back to the house of representatives, and what we need to do is make the case every day and every way about the petty about

political bickering, but on the substance. or the highway approach is carried today. -- the my way or highway approach has carried the day. republican leadership has been dragged kicking and screaming into a fight that they know is bad for their party and bad for their country, and they should know it is a fight they will not win. host: ed o'keefe, there you have it. two points of view. is what we can expect to see in the first few days of next week when they began arguing over this in the senate. chuck schumer says the democrats and the white house will not link on this and the buttons are headed to where they have been a andtimes -- blink on this

the republicans are headed to where they have been a few times over the last few years. ted cruz says they will use every procedural means necessary, but he was only saying that after being provoked by several questions. he did not offer that unsolicited. we will see how much but there is in the senate. as ted crews advised wisely and correctly, what happens next week is round one. the cr might go back and forth a few times before october 1. then there is the dead fight, a legislation, of and there will then be a bunch of exchanges. this is the opening salvo. colleagues at "the new york times" report on the hawaii who has been instrumental.

-- justst than a mosh amosh.justin who are these relatively new republicans? of them were elected inpart of the tea party 2010. the fact that there are dozens of them and they are vocal and active and eager to see big changes, they are really what has compelled house leadership to take up this issue more than anything else. amash took a pass in running next year because he realized as a member of the house he is the embodiment of a libertarian and conservative union that is really starting to get the house and the senate to talk about issues differently than they used to.

the fight over the nsa funding in july was a notable moment. it was a surprise to readers in both chambers that it got as far as it did and nearly passed in the house and might have succeeded in the senate. host: just a sense of how the party has changed, congressman amosh district was once held by jerry ford. guest: that is one change. i was talking to a senior conservative member and he said it was great to see more electing conservative members to the house. others would argue that it is because of redistricting that made it possible. host: the other story you want on yesterday, "the house nearly next the -- narrowly backs the

foods cap overhaul bill pickup what happens with the sludge -- bill." what happens with this bill and what is in the bill? guest: 80% of it is for what is now known as the supplemental nutritional assistance program but also establishes subsidies. what the house did was split it apart. in july, they narrowly approved a plan that authorized a bunch of crap subsidies -- crop subsidies. the part of the bill mirrors what the senate had done in june, but what the house did yesterday is very different. they proposed cutting $39 billion in funding to snap over the next decade, and would basically remove three and a half to 4 million people from workolls, toughening the

requirements on able-bodied adults between the ages of 18 and 50 who do not have children. that is one way they would cut the money. they also said they would no longer allow states to apply for waivers that would allow people to get the funding. dramatically -- it is a genetically different than than the senate has. how do you married $40 billion cutsts and $4 billion in with 10 days to go until the expiration of the farm bill? we will see. it is a secondary fight, but it is one that has to happen. softmber 30 is seen as a deadline because real changes would not happen until january 1, and at that point agricultural policy would revert the to the 1940's and

agricultural industry would be thrown into a chaos. one of the viewers makes this point -- we do not need the house on the senate to talk differently about these issues. instead, we need to go ahead and govern and get things done. .avid is joining us greenfield, massachusetts. democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning. o'keefe.. i called in on the democrat line. i am not totally a democrat. i believe in fiscal responsibility. i believe in a lot of other things. i am not independent. i am not really a total democrat, but i am not a republican. guest: you sound like a massachusetts motor. caller: -- voter. caller: this cliff with the

deadline, holding the government hostage if we do not get our way -- ted cruz says we do not care about the petty bickering. we do care. we would like to see our representatives engaged in dialogue that is meaningful and actually get something done instead of saying vote after vote after vote on things that are not going to change anything. these representatives have sworn an oath to uphold the constitution of the united states and protected from all enemies and threats, both foreign and domestic. it seems to me that they, themselves, have become a threat security.estic host: david, thank you for the call. guest: i mean, as your phone

lines reflect every morning, there is a lot of frustration among voters and david is another example. it is an interesting and frustrating time and we are hearing about it all of the time from voters. host: this is not your beat, but your publication. ofther story getting a lot attention -- the white house saying it might meet with the iranian president. this editorial that he wrote -- as this engage" -- comes on the heels of vladimir putin's editorial in "the new york times." guest: i read this before we started. this is a big deal of the day. there appears to be some eagerness from the new iranian with the united

states to establish his foreign- policy. he is expected to do that next week at the u n general assembly. right on theues front page, there is the annual tradition of an iranian president giving a big speech, saying something inflammatory about the u.s. or israel, and then those delegations walking out. there is some reason to believe that will not happen. he had an interesting interview ry of nbc news where he said things are not as americans might think. engage, and to calling it a constructive approach to diplomacy. guest: we will see. there is interest, concern, nervousness about the possibility of engaging, and we will see if there is some kind of impromptu meeting between president obama and the uranium

leader. in -- iranian leader. the: we will be covering comments from the leaders next week in new york. this e-mail -- if the government shuts down, it will be the democrats that cause that to happen because senator harry reid refused to fund the government and don't try to blame it on the republicans. guest: the democratic argument if there isse, that a shutdown it will be because the republicans cannot get over the law of the land. host: florida. caller: i think obamacare is going to be a disaster for the country and the house and the people should do everything they but likely to stop it, most people i have divergent

experiences that influence what i think. i went to the0's ussr, poland, and i got to see socialism/communism at work. a complete disaster. there are nice people, but complete disasters. i also lived in india for a time , and theyly-1990's were very nice people, except economically, except for small businesses, they did not do a thing. host: thank you. this e-mail -- i have a pre- existing condition, i was 28 with a healthy history when i mrsa.cted i would have died without my insurance, but had to spend

months getting them to pay the bills they try to deny. --s from minnesota republicans have no answer for health care. guest: that is what some would say. others would say there was a plan put out this week they could be the gop alternative. congressman scalia issa will be on newsmakers to discuss it a little more. is sunday on c-span. jack. michigan. independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. host: you are on the air. caller: thank you for taking my call. the problem was partially insurance companies. host: ok.

ago unitedee years health care, one of the largest health insurance companies in the country, gave the president of the company a little bonus of $300 million. has taken this into consideration and has now made it the law that these companies have to pay 80% of insteadcome in claims of just buying corporate jets and flying around and spending big bonuses and denying claims. turn theyou want to statement into a question, or just your own talk about this? cheryl in to illinois. democrats line. cheryl, are you with us?

am.er: yes i i am a senior citizen. obamacare is going to help us out. if it is good enough for the people of massachusetts, it is good enough for us. i am happy with it, and i wish the republicans would stop there bickering. if they shut everything down, i will move up there. host: cheryl, thank you for the call. thoughts., your guest: i just marvel at how people are compelled to pick up the phone at this hour in share their thoughts. host: the vote today -- we know no democrat will support this. will any republicans break away from the gop? guest: it remains to be seen. there were 15 yesterday that

voted against the farm bill, and they were primarily from major metropolitan areas, the philly and as, the new york area few from california. they are the ones that would potentially make away, but on the spending plan and the idea obamacare, there is more republican support. district,ter king's they will hear from voters who say it is a bad law and they would not suffer political consequences. they admitted they would lose republican votes on the farm bill. i could have lost a few more if a few more democrats voted and today,o the margin, but they are looking at nearly unanimous support. if you're not voting for it, you have to have a compelling reason not to. two rules do the

senate republicans have? filibuster,ally the delaying and prolonging the debate in the senate for as long as possible before the majority leader can exercise procedural tactics to move things forward. the clock is ticking. depending on how long it takes, they will send it back later in the week. the house will have to be here over the weekend debating an alternative. a minor to send something to the senate, and the clock will -- they might have to send something back to the senate, and the clock will keep taking. ted cruz said all procedural means necessary, which means perhaps a talking filibuster, which means him, rand paul, like-minded senators doing what they can. we have not seen it as much because republicans do not

control the senate. you have enough republicans saying it is a waste of time, we will not defund obamacare, get over it. let's move on. host: ed o'keefe of "the washington post" thank you for being with us. my guess is we will be checking in with you about. guest: we will be here. host: excellent focus on a new sentence report -- next, we will focus on a new census report. this is "washington journal." we are back in two moment. -- back inn a moment a moment. ♪

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what have you found? guest: we release national numbers for income, poverty, health insurance, and found there was not much change between 2011 and 2012. median household income was $51,000 this year and poverty stays at 15%. inequality did not change, and health insurance kicked down uninsured, to 15.4%. host: does it surprise you? guest: i thought poverty might go up a little bit. jobs are a huge problem, worse than any other previous recession since the great depression. they are not surprising, but still quite distressing. host: let's look at this chart, putting it in perspective over

the last 50 years. real median household income in 1967 it was just under $43,000 a year, and now it is $51,000 a year, and the poverty rate is essentially stayed the same. guest: let me say something about the poverty numbers that americans might want to know. we spend about $1 trillion a year between the federal government and the state on programs that give additional .oney to low income families without that money, our poverty rates would be much worse. in the official numbers that david publishes, much of the money is completely ignored. so, even though american taxpayers are coming forward with a lot of benefits, they are not reflected in the poverty numbers. if you reflect them in the poverty numbers, poverty is editor, lower than it is under

the official measure. johnson, i want to revert to this headline from the business section of thursday's america'stimes" -- sinking middle class. guest: we do not have a definition of the middle-class. over time, there has been an increase in inequality over time. the key thing we showed in this report was really no change between 2011 and 2012 in inequality. host: as you look at these numbers, and this is broken down on ethnic lines, asian-americans are doing better than non- hispanic whites. you can also look at the hispanic figures and african- americans are at the bottom of the list. guest: that is usually the order, asians, non-hispanic whites, hispanic, and blacks.

there was no change in the income between 2011 and 2012, but if you go back to 2007, the year before the latest recession, all of them experienced a fall in their median income. 11.3%,had a fall of whereas non-hispanic whites only fell 6.3%, so the gap actually increased. guest: i want to go back to one of the calls because this is a condition everyone makes about the economy and the president makes speech about this -- speeches about this. on the definition of full income from the congressional budget office, the middle-class has not disappeared. if you look from 1979, were supposedly everything went 2007, before the recession, the middle class would be defined as the middle

20%, or even defined as the middle 60%, to have more income -- they have more income, and that is the reason the president becauseke the statement they are ignoring income. when you include all of the money, including medical care, everybody is better off. host: our friday, america by the numbers, looking at poverty and insurance rates around the country. we'll will get to your calls in a moment. we are dividing the phone lines differently. for those of you

you can also join in on the conversation by sending us a tweet or on facebook. the insurance rate figures -- what do they tell you? guest: between last year and this year there was a fall in the uninsured rate, but if you look across age groups, there is a big difference across the age groups. there is a figure, if you want to show the uninsured rates by age group. host: sure. guest: that one. is the fallest fall in the uninsured rate for under 19 years old. we break it up because of changes in the law that allows .ids under 19 to get access

middle adult are increasing whereas kids are falling. since 1999, you see the big fall in the uninsured rates for the 19-25-year old. host: did you want to follow up? guest: what is not seen in this number, 30 years of a long-term trend is more insurance coverage by government, and less by the private sector. obamacare, if republicans failed to repeal it, which they certainly will, that will intensify. peoplel be more dependent on government benefits. about your book

. the health care reform law, what impact has it had on society, welfare and poverty? guest: let me begin with the objective data that david volitions. implement -- past, among low income mothers skyrocketed, and the poverty rate declined substantially. the poverty rate among female- headed familiese- went down.hildren the word is -- went up.

the word is out. states, you cannot escape poverty. if you are not disabled,, you cannot get out of poverty unless you work. we have a system known where republicans and democrats worked together, and created a work support system, benefits that go to low income workers. they got their benefits and other benefits to the income tax credit. they were much better off than they were on welfare. even after today, the work rates among these low income mothers are higher than they were before, and the child poverty rates are lower than they were before welfare reform in the mid-1990's. there are other factors. it is not just welfare reform, but it is overall a great story. host: let me refer to this poverty chart, david johnson. earningfined as those

$23,492 or less. can you explain the numbers? is based on the size of your family. this chart does not show it, but we have a chart that we used that looked at every single level of poverty, below 50%, 200% and%, between decrease there was a in the share of people in those middle groups, and a bigger increase at the high-end and the increase for both those under 50%, and 100%. louisiana.

under $50,000 a year. good morning. caller: good morning. this is what i'm curious about. when i got out of the military in 2005, i was making great money being a regular photographer, and no more than i wentears after that, from above $50,000, to way below. i'm about $30,000 a year. it is crazy seeing all of these people that are absolutely broke. why did we not stick with the plans that reagan and clinton administrations set forth? where did the system go wrong? people are getting screwed, bubba, and it is horrible. host: thank you for the call. the meat put his call into perspective. this map -- let me put his call

into perspective. he is green areas, meeting income is $50,000 or more. in the lighter areas, it is between $40,000 and $50,000, and the white areas it is less than $40,000. guest: the survey allows us to , poverty, and health insurance, along with 40 other topics, and here you see as much diversity across the country as we were talking about with race or ages. the median income in the society goes from $37,000 in mississippi, to someplace like maryland that has a median household income of $71,000. you see a big difference across the country. host: i will move into a more

microscopic look broken down into more metropolitan areas. you can see the new york, new court is in darker green. then it is broken down in terms levels, which become less as you move down south and out west. take this data and produce median household income for every single metro area. you can see even though there are some states that have high median income like texas, there are some cities out there, like, galveston, that have very low median household income. it shows the diversity just than the state. bryant. nottingham, maryland. your income is between $50,000 and $100,000. thing ione interesting

want to point out about the census data is anyone can access that and look at edit down to the block level if you are curious about where the money is. one thing i do not hear people talking about is the relative adjusting power. we hear about the poverty line a median income but we do not hear about the purchasing power of americans hold, or how it has decreased relative to income. in the last 10 years, the price doubled,as more than food is pegged against that, and everything is pegged against the, so why can we not talk about the relative decline of her choosing power versus -- of purchasing power versus hard numbers that really have not changed. a report that is based on what people purchase, rather than their income. if you think about it, you could argue that is a better measure

because it tells you what they are able to buy. if you look at the consumer spending survey, the poverty rate is much lower than it is under the census bureau data, and people are apparently doing much better. they are able to have more good sense of his than you would think just looking at the income they get in the census bureau numbers. we have done what brian suggests and it shows a much more positive picture than just the income numbers. guest: the numbers we are reporting are real, inflation- adjusted numbers. they are adjusted for the price indexes. i lisa, the d.c. metro area has the highest median household income, but has the highest rent and highest). -- house price. host: let me look at the figures by age. a comparison from 1966 to 4012.

guest: the poverty rate tends to fall with age. as you can see, some of these have gone up over time. 65 and older has fallen. it is the only group that is not increased since the last recession. host: another headline related to what you said earlier about the economy, jobs, and how that pulls people out of poverty. this is from the "washington warning of a jobless recovery. what does this mean for those out of work, facing the prospect of being laid off and trying to get back into the workforce? guest: the message is accurate. people call this a jobless

requirement for good reason. it will be 2018 before we get to the employment level among in terms of number of jobs,@we had before the recession. level, in terms of the number of jobs, that we had before the recession. another reason why government benefits are so important, there have been several studies that have shown, based on david's census bureau data, but if you consider government benefits in 2009, at the peak of the recession, poverty rates actually did not go up. they did not go up because the government safety net help people. so, employment is a bad story. , and we wouldnt run out of money anyway. we would have to make adjustments in poverty programs. in the meantime, government is helping people that are having a hard time like gordon and brian.

chart, brokener down state-by-state and community by community. guest: as you can see, this chart looks similar to the chart on income. darker red is higher poverty, and there are a lot of those in the south. we can take it further, and break it down state-by-state, looking at a state like california, where the poverty rate is fairly high. there are places in their that have low poverty. you look near san francisco, the poverty rate is about 9%. they are in the middle of the area. of thea big dispersion poverty rate even within the state. host: let me follow up. while poverty is everywhere, if you look at this map, traveling to central ohio, or a more rural part of the state, moving down

theretucky or tennessee, seems to be a more consistent poverty level in these rural or small-town communities. this is the rural areas. 84% of the population lives in the metropolitan areas. scott joins us from los angeles. earning more than $100,000 a year. good morning. caller: thank you. it is like the comment about pornography. you know it when you see it. the recovery is not really happening. i do not blame anyone for, but it is the reality. we need more than empathy for those that are really struggling, and sadly, they are trying to eliminate snap or drastically.

a lot of people are out there smart -- starving. thank you. host: thank you for the call. guest: can i go back to the age point? i think we passed over it too quickly. primarily society, because of social security being so generous, we have an extremely low elderly poverty rate. .heir poverty rate is 9% it is even lower if you had other benefits. by contrast, the future, represented by kids, 23%. so, this is a huge difference in poverty rates between the elderly and kids. if you are thinking about the future of american society, which groups do you want to have the lowest poverty rate? i know we had people saying we should not take benefits away, but the fact is we have a fixed amount of money. we automatically increase

pending on the elderly without congressional action through social security and medicare, and by contrast, programs for children are being cut. we are going in the wrong direction if we are worried about the future. we should invest more in our future. we should use the money for children's programs. haskins from the brookings institution, and david johnson, the u.s. census bureau, will get two more of your calls and comments in a moment. this graph -- the uninsured rates broken down by age. clearly, the older you get, the more health insurance you have. guest: correct, and the big driver is the overall uninsured rate, which is falling since 2010 because private coverage as meaning flat after falling for many years, but government

coverage has continued to go up six consecutive years. that has kept the uninsured rate at a falling rate. this is the chart here. you can see the blue line there, and the red line is ready flat. host: explain the blue and the red. guest: if you get private coverage from your employer, or something, the red line has fallen a lot since 1999, but has remained flat. government coverage is continuing to go up. that increase, coupled with the flat, no fall in the private coverage, has caused the uninsured rate, to actually fall. guest: and government coverage is about to go up big time because we continue to have a higher percentage of our population that is elderly, and they're covered by medicare. then, obamacare will have a major impact. what people will be covered by

government care under obamacare. host: we are looking at poverty, or your household income, insurance rates. information from the census bureau. cheryl lynn joins us. chester, virginia. how much do you make? caller: $82,000 a year. just the end,k at a person makes to determine whether they are living in poverty or not -- why do you tok at just the income determine whether or not you are living in poverty are --poverty? haskins made the statement that the middle class is not shrinking or going anywhere. i think that is misleading. i think with the housing crisis, a lot of people in the middle- class lost their homes and things like that come so they lost a lot of their net worth. might haveese people

taken a home equity loan to send their children to college. i cannot do that now because they lost their home. while their income might be relatively the same amount, their net worth has gone down. i think that is a big problem with the middle-class. host: cheryl lynn, thank you for making the point. ron haskins? examples are certainly correct. a lot of people did lose while. just like all of the numbers shown here on poverty and income, it differs by race. blacks took a bigger hit than whites did the income has recovered, and now wealth will gradually recover. it will take a while, but the stories that she tells about people that lost a lot and cannot afford to send their kid to college, it is certainly true. there are a lot of examples like that. but this is america. we have an open economy. it will gradually re-accumulate

wealth. i think future is bright in that respect. host: this is from your organization, brookings, the impact on child poverty of alternative resources. what does it tell you? shows is if you begin with people's earnings, how much they make themselves, and then you add the government benefits, which are in the bottom 30% or so of the distribution, except for the elderly programs, poverty goes down, and income goes up. government is an important factor. you have to consider government benefits, and that is a flaw in the census bureau measure because they do not consider all the government benefits. they do make data available and you can analyze it. david did this chart for us. that is an important part of the story. somebody mentioned the food stamp program. there are about a big cuts in

food stamps, depending on how they are implemented. if it takes place, poverty will go up because people are dependent on food stamps. guest: what you have to remember about the statistics is that these are official poverty rate, so it does not include your house, food stamps or the itc. those are important components. that is how we did the charts. the number we saw is if food stamps were included in the poverty measure, you would go 4 million people out of poverty, war 1.7 million children. -- or 1.7 million children. we made all the other numbers available for everyone to do the analysis. could do the analysis, people in the media could do the analysis -- that is the important thing, where government could provide the service in the entire population. host: dorothea joining us from

pittsburgh, earning more than $100,000 a year. we are showing you one of the charts. the darker the green, the higher the income in metropolitan areas. dorothea, good morning. you are on the air. caller: good morning. yes. i wanted to call to meet me say the statistics generated by the census department have been a big part of my life, as a librarian in the university, and i still buy the statistical abstract every year. i think you can not possibly make positive or negative fitment about the u.s. government without real data, and i do applaud our wonderful census and the statistics generated. i am 85 years old. i am one of those people, i guess, who is living on savings

from the 401(k) that my husband and i generated. donated to always our children, also, the amount that we are permitted by the government, so we are helping .ur children they are all very much over- educated, but they need that help. for those people out there who want to show their resentment at poor people, one of the good programs that i think is that , i years social security and guess, medicare, have taken the social security that i received and the medicare --i think it is the drug act

i hate to be -- d?t: part caller: ok. at some level, they take an amount. applaud that. why should we take this grossly under-educated population of this country, which has not been able to keep up with the development of high-tech? host: dorothea, i will stop either. thank you for the comment and the call. any comments? guest: she raises the issue on poverty for the elderly. if you are taking money out of your 401(k) or savings, that is not treated as income. that is depleting your asset. the earlier caller was saying they are losing their aspect -- assets. that is what you need multiple measures to see what is going on.

guest: it bears emphasis. the elderly as a group are very well on as a society, and it is because many of them save, people who earn a lot tend to save. save, it isdid not usually enough to keep you out of poverty. we have provided very well for the elderly, but we have not done the same thing for children. that is one of the biggest issues before us. it is shown clearly in the census bureau numbers with the child poverty rates almost three times what the elderly poverty rate is. host: we have posted the map on our website, facebook.com/c- span, and a question from one of our viewers -- why just the metropolitan areas? i am sure there are more living in rural parts of the country. yesterday, the

annual data from 2012, that has enough samples to get estimates from populations of 65,000 or more, so this puts all metropolitan areas in there. allhow the poverty rate for 3000 counties, we would need a bigger sample, and we produce that. we need five years of the data. in december, we will release the estimates for every single county in the country, looking at the poverty income, education, household, rent. host: as you look at poverty levels, we did not talk about inflation. is that nonexistent? is it a factor? in all the numbers we talked about, inflation is taken into account. if inflation is high, that is a major factor, unfortunately, for many years, we have not had much inflation. 3% has been the top and much

years it is less than that. if we have high inflation, that makes a big difference. host: judy. indiana. you make less than $50,000 a year. caller: yes, my husband and i do. host: go and with your comment. thank you for calling. caller: thank you. we have seen our income drop drastically. we survived the recession, have managed to keep our house, have managed to do everything properly, save the little bit, watched our savings drop. i work in retail for the first time in my life. one of the things that i find are from the food stamp program. i see people on food stamps by candy, cookies, potato chips,

pop -- i thought this was a nutritional aid program where they should be buying nutritional food. host: judy, thank you. we'll get a response. ron haskins? guest: this is a common complaint from other americans about americans who use who stands for what they regard as frivolous candy and so forth. we have a lot of programs to restrict this. there is an electronic card. they cannot buy alcohol, for example. fraudrse, there is always . she is raising a real issue. the department of agriculture has done a lot to fight it. we await better off than we were in the past in the sense that the percentage of food stamps that are used for what i would think all americans consider reasonable, it is higher than it is in the past, but fraud is still an issue. host: this is a map courtesy of

"the national journal" called the politics of food stamps breaking down who is getting food stamps. in oregon's second district, nearly one in five receive food stamps. you can also see a high rate in west virginia, in southern missouri, louisiana, mississippi, south texas, in southern arizona. guest: at the map, and compare it to the poverty map. texas -- thert of poverty rates in some of those areas is hitting 20%, 30%. mississippi has the highest poverty rate in the country. this does correlate somewhat with income. there are some things that do not. that is why we make the data available, so that people can do this type of analysis to see where the incoming is and what about getting food stamps. host: quickly, online, where is

it? guest: census.gov. to point is important out that more americans get food stamps now than ever in the past, and it's primarily because of the economy and because of their jobs. lesson, is the main criteria. income is the main criteria. so, as the economy recovers, who stamps will go down. passinghout the house the bill that would cut food stamps dramatically, congressional budget office shows they would decline as the economy recovers. host: dana. oceanside, california. more than $100,000 a year. caller: good morning. i make more than $100,000 a year, but i live in southern california, where it costs three times as much to live.

i am well over 55. i was born in los angeles. i run a surveillance company. i work with every part of life you can think of. i have watched my city over the years, because i have consciously been driving around southern california and nevada servicing security systems -- i have watched all of my areas go into the dumpsters. i am not seeing anyone getting better off. i see these really cool cities around southern california turn into dumps. what i see is happening is the more immigrants we bring in here , the worse things get. host: i will stop you there only because we are short on time. on average, immigrants are very good for the nation. it might be helpful for people have a lot of low- skilled immigrants, many of them are here illegally, but even they contribute to the economy.

they have high work waits. people should -- work rates. we also have a lot of immigrants that have higher education, are very skilled and contribute greatly to the american economy. it is just not correct that immigration as to our problem. immigration, on average, is a boon for the american economy. host: we had a call earlier this morning, and i will refer to this headline from "the wall street journal," walgreens shifting their health plan, basically giving them vouchers to find insurance on the private marketplace. as you look at insurance numbers in the country, what impact will this have? guest: we provide the data so people can evaluate this. release the data the people with insurance, -- we released the data for people with insurance or not. if you drill down, you might know there are a lot of

walgreens employees. people that have occupations might be looking in a retail store. the advantage of the data we are providing is people, policymakers, using the data to evaluate the impact. is a great thing because the problem in health care in the united states is people who use it do not pay for it. here you have a case where people get a fixed amount of money, they go into the market, and they have to buy insurance or pay for the health care. what will he do? they will be more careful. --will make sure they do not they get a doctor that will take care of them. ,ost: let me conclude with this david johnson. as a percentage of people in poverty, the previous caller said he lived in a high income area. do you take that into account? guest: it is the same whether you live in california or rural

west virginia. the advantage of what we are coming out with next month, the supplemental poverty measure, it differences. of you will see poverty rates go up in california, new york, and down. and ronvid johnson haskins, taylor for being with us. guest: thank you. guest: thank you. host: this album is available on our website at c-span.org. -- program is available on our website at c-span.org. coming up up, we'll take it to the house floor where lawmakers will convene, and the big issue is voting on a cr that keeps the government running and also defines the health-care law. the speaker pro tempore: the house will be in order. the chair lays before the house a communication from the speaker. the clerk: the speaker's room, washington, d.c., september 20, 2013.

i hereby appoint the honorable virginia foxx to act as speaker pro tempore on this day. signed, john a. boehner, speaker of the house of representatives. the speaker pro tempore: the prayer will be offered by our chaplain, father conroy. haplain conroy: let us pray. loving god, we give you thanks for giving us another day. bless the members who are laboring through these challenging days with wisdom, and a shared desire to serve our nation at a pivotal time for us all. may their efforts bring results that rise above any sense of victory for one side or the other but rather mutual benefit. in the end may we continue to trust that you would not abandon those who put their

trust in you. may all that is done this day be for your greater honor and glory. men. the speaker pro tempore: the chair has examined the journal of the last day's proceedings and announces to the house her approval thereof. pursuant to clause 1 of rule 1 the journal stands approved. the pledge of allegiance will be led by the gentleman from texas, mr. williams. mr. williams: would you join me, please? i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. the speaker pro tempore: the chair will entertain up to five requests for one minutes on each side of the aisle. for what purpose does the gentleman from oklahoma seek recognition? >> madam speaker, i ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore:

without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. >> madam speaker, regretfully this wish we had to wish transcanada an unhappy fifth birthday. they have been waiting for five years since first applying for the permit of the keystoneline. even though this anniversary -- keystone pipeline. the southern leg of the keystone pipeline will be completed by the end of 2013. however, the northern leg puts 4,000 people on hold for work. today, the southern leg is on day 410 of construction and hardworking americans who devoted time and effort deserve these jobs. while this administration promotes a job-focused agenda, it continues to cripple our nation's entrepreneurial spirit. it's time we move past the rhetoric and make sure that america continues moving forward. madam speaker, i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: for

what purpose does the gentleman from california seek recognition? >> madam speaker, i rise to ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. >> 10 days, madam speaker, we have 10 short days before this government could shut down, yet, today after working only nine days this month, congress is about to go on recess. mr. bera: we shouldn't be leaving here today. we should be staying, working, coming to a real agreement, not some partisan ploy. if the government shuts down, our military, active duty military could face working without pay. their families could suffer. our veterans who are already facing unreasonable wait times could go with delayed benefits. and seniors who've paid for years into social security and medicare may not get the services that they need. this is completely unacceptable. americans are sick and tired of partisan fighting. they want congress to do their job and work.

let's put their economic security first. let's actually pass a reasonable budget. let's rebuild the middle class. 10 days, mr. speaker. let's do our work. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from texas seek recognition? mr. williams: i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. williams: thank you,. 41, 19, five and zero, mr. speaker, the house has voted 41 times to disfund, dismantle and repeal the president's disastrous health care law. 19 provisions of obamacare have been amended, repealed or delayed. the obama administration has delayed five significant provisions of the law. and harry reid and the senate have not once brought a vote to the senate floor. mr. speaker, as a business owner, i know that businesses don't want obamacare. they are being forced to cut employees and hours. labor unions don't want the law. they unsuccessfully lobbied the

white house to be exempt. families don't want it. they are seeing their premiums skyrocket and their current health care plabs disappear. and even the i.r.s. tasked with implement the law don't want it. they say the i.r.s. employees don't want changes to their health care. everybody is seeking exemptions. mr. speaker, today the house will vote for the 42nd time to defund obamacare and keep the government running while the senate has yet to act. now it's time for our senators to stand up and demand harry reid to bring this vote to the floor. to ca is waiting on him defund obamacare. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentleman from california seek recognition? >> i seek unanimous consent to address the house for one minute and to revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. >> madam speaker, i rise today to recognize an important break through in the statistics in neuroscience research. mr. mcnerney: neurological problems are caused by the networks and these conditions

can be studied at the systems level. functional r.m.i. -- m.r.i.'s capture 3-d images of the brain over time resulting in millions of measurements per subject and billions of possible connections. a rice university statistic professor and her collaborators recently developed statistical methods to model how each individual's brain is wired, and then applied these methods to a condition in which individuals automatic associate specific colors with numbers and letters. the team discovered that the areas of the brain responsible for processing colors are functionally connected to the areas that process letters and numbers and synthesis. this break through is relevant to other neurological diseases such as autism and alzheimer's and demonstrates how statistical science is vital to neuroscience research. i ask my colleagues to support

critical science funding so that this type of work may continue. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentlewoman from indiana seek recognition? >> madam speaker, i ask unanimous consent to address the chamber for one minute and to revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentlewoman is recognized for one minute. mrs. brooks: i rise today, madam speaker, to discuss the economy and jobs. the white house believes we're moving in the right direction, but for most americans, especially those 4.3 million americans who've been out of work for more than 27 weeks, that is just not good enough. progress is not happening. sadly, our nation's labor participation rate now stands since %, the lowest rate 1978. the dues for our younger americans is even more sobering. student debt loan toppled $1 trillion, and a recent poll found that 41% of recent

college graduates were underemployed relative to their education, making paying off those student loans extremely hard. and what can we do to speed up job creation? well, folks from the indiana chamber of commerce visited me this week and they said we must reduce uncertainty. washington can do that by solving our fiscal challenges, reforming our regulatory system and stopping the job-killing taxes set up by obamacare. house republicans have a clear plan to create jobs and stimulate our economy and it's time for our friends across the aisle to realize the status quo is not acceptable. thank you and i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentleman from washington seek recognition? >> thank you, madam speaker. i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. >> thank you, madam speaker. as we all know on september 30, the government will run out of funding, and i rise today to

urge my colleagues here in congress to stop the partisan bickering, to stop the games and to work to avoid a government shutdown. mr. kilmer: for folks back home on the olympic peninsula and around puget sound a shutdown will have serious consequences. workers at puget sound naval ship yard could go without pay. olympic national park could close to tourists. senior citizens could be delayed in receiving checks for social security. veterans may go without the benefits and care that they have earned. madam speaker, i spent the last 10 years working in economic development. the main thing that employers want from government is trust and predictability. and now between sequestration and a potential government shutdown, congress is on the cusp of fracturing both. well, my constituents -- what my constituents want is for us to get to work, to solve our nation's problems, not to make them worse. that's why we need to pass

legislation as quickly as possible to avert this shutdown and then move forward on a bipartisan balanced budget that the american people deserve. madam speaker, i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentleman from alabama seek recognition? >> i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. >> mr. speaker, i rise to congratulate the 852 employees of united launch alliance in decatur, alabama, for their hard work and commitment, both to their jobs and to their america. mr. brooks: when using this, america has secure access to space 100% of the time. two days ago on september 18, 13, u.l.a. completed their 75th successful launch using a rocket at cape can nave rale. it was the ninth launch this

year and 40th successful launch of the atlas five rocket. mr. speaker, i rise to recognize the alliance launch workers of decatur for their achievement that embodies american exceptionalism. it is an honor to represent you in congress. madam speaker, i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. for what purpose does the gentleman from new jersey seek recognition? >> madam speaker, i'd like to address the house with your permission. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. pascrell: madam speaker, tragedy happens, we say we're shocked, this is a quiet neighborhood, this was a quiet town, this is a quiet city. when you examine the mass shootings in america over the last decade, it becomes abundantly clear that there are serious cultural and spiritual problems that have not been

recognized. any attempt to be reasonable, thoughtful, earnest to cognize horror, even skepticism or outright hate. i wonder if we want to resolve this unique national paralysis. somewhere between taking everyone's guns away and maintaining the status quo, we must find a workable answer. do senators and house members have to be directly threatened before we agree to work together? one of our own has been shot down in her own district. we all said all the appropriate things and didn't do -- it didn't do anything to prevent this kind of violence from happening again. it would seem to me, madam speaker, to be very desirable to review the biography at least of any person who applies to own a gun. oversight of the process could be left to citizens representing the entire gun

issue. we won't accept these violent acts in america any longer. thank you, madam speaker. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentleman from missouri seek recognition? >> madam speaker, i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. >> thank you. madam speaker, when i talk to folks back home in my rural missouri district, it remains clear that our families and businesses want to defund obamacare. as time goes on, the list of problems with the president's health care mandate continues to get longer. mr. long: the reality of rising premiums, job-killing mandates and jeopardized patient care are proof that this unworkable legislation must be stopped. today, the house of representatives will vote to defund president obama's health care law. the vote will be a victory for my constituents who are adamantly opposed to obamacare and the disastrous impact it will have on our rural economy.

after the house of representatives votes to defund obamacare today, the united states senate must justify to the american people why obamacare is too harmful for businesses but should still be forced on families and individuals. the senate must justify why special interests are eligible for waivers and delays while average americans will be hit with obamacare's tsunami of mandates, fines and confusions. madam speaker, i urge the united states senate to follow the house's lead and defund obamacare. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from new jersey seek recognition? >> i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute and revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. holt: madam speaker, social security is one of the most successful programs of the federal government. however many americans don't realize that the wealthy pay a lower rate on taxable income

into social security. with smart harkin, representative linda sanchez and i alonth many co-sponsors have introduced legislation to scrap the wage cap on payroll taxes. most americans will no doubt think it is more fair that everyone pays the same rate, and the bill would stop the misguided claims that social security needs to be changed or scrapped. and it would allow increased month will i benefits. it would also provide -- monthly benefits t would also provide what the actual cost for seniors is. i ask my colleagues to join us in this effort. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time.

the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from kentucky seek recognition? mr. rogers: madam speaker, pursuant to house resolution 352, i call up house joint resolution 59, making continuing appropriations for the fiscal

year 2014, and for other purposes, and ask for its immediate consideration. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the title of the joint resolution. the clerk: house joint resolution 59, joint resolution making continuing appropriations for fiscal year 2014, and for other purposes. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to house resolution 352, the amendment printed in the house report 113-216 is adopted and the joint resolution as amended is considered as read. the gentleman from kentucky, mr. rogers, and the gentlewoman from new york, mrs. lowey, each will control 30 minutes. the chair recognizes the gentleman from kentucky. mr. rogers: madam speaker, i ask unanimous consent that all members may have five legislative days to revise and and include remarks extraneous material on the consideration of h.j.res. 59, and that i may include tabular material on the same. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. rogers: madam speaker, i yield myself five minutes. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for five minutes. mr. rogers: madam speaker, the

continuing resolution that we bring up today will keep the government operating into the next fiscal year. the base c.r. is straightforward . it's clean, it's short-term, it continues reductions in federal discretionary spending, but most importantly, madam speaker, it will prevent a government shutdown. the legislation also includes an amendment to the base bill which , to he text of h.r. 2682 defund obamacare act of 2013, and the text of h.r. 807, the full faith and credit act. h.j.res. will fund the government for the first 76 days of fiscal year 2014 until december 15, 2013.

it provides $986.3 billion in funding, approximately the same rate as the current postsequestration level with some minor adjustments. the base bill is extremely clean. additional provisions were only added in a very limited number of cases where adjustments were needed to prevent catastrophic shortfalls or unintended consequences to critical programs or services. it simply keeps the lights on in our government to provide for the safety and security and well-being of all americans. i'd like to remind my colleagues, madam speaker, both in the house and the other body, that a government shutdown is a political game in which everyone

loses. it shirks one of our most basic duties as members of congress, and it puts our national security at stake. to be clear, if this legislation is not enacted and we embark on a government shutdown, the consequences are severe. our brave men and women in uniform don't get paid. our recovering economy will take a huge hit. and our most vulnerable citizens, including the elderly and veterans who rely on critical government programs and services, could be left high and dry. a government shutdown, even the illusion of a threat of a shut down shows to the american people that this congress does not have their best interests at heart. this continuing resolution keeps

this congress moving in the right direction. it gives us time to solve the urgent fiscal issues facing our nation. finding a balanced and attainable plan that eliminates sequestration, implements care for reforms for both discretionary and mandatory spending, and keeps our economy growing. it is my hope that the house will pass this bill today and that the senate will act in short order so that this matter will be wrapped up well before the deadline on the 30th. so i urge my colleagues to do their jobs as members of the house and to do what's best for this country and vote yes on this bill today. i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from kentucky reserves. the gentlewoman from new york is recognized. mrs. lowey: thank you, madam

speaker. i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is recognized. mrs. lowey: i will oppose this continuing resolution. on september 10, chairman rogers introduced the c.r. and his statement noted, this bill is free of controversial riders and does not seek to change existing federal policy. how things have changed. unfortunately this new package will attach not one but two politically motivated, ill-conceived doomed provisions. one directs the president to pay certain debts but not others in case house republicans are determined to default on america's obligations. the other would defund the affordable care act. defunding the affordable care

act has far-reaching consequences for all americans. if the house c.r. is enacted, no funds could be used to administer payment calculated on the basis of a.c.a. provisions. patients, doctors, hospitals, medical suppliers, and other health providers would all experience significant disruptions. many of the improvements to medicare made by the a.c.a. would also have to be suspended. such as better coverage for preventive services, lower costs for drug benefits, stronger tools to combat health care fraud. most importantly undermining the implementation of the a.c.a. only gives our medical choices back to the insurance companies nd keeps health insuring costs

much too high for too many families. the house republican default plan is flawed as well. the majority proposes that if they force default on federal debt, the u.s. should prioritize payments to treasury bondholders of which 47% are foreign owned. so while we pay back china, the following americans would be pushed to the back of the line. 1.4 million active duty troops. 780,000 troops in reserve. 3.4 million disabled veterans who served their country with honor. 1.1 million doctors and others who provide health care to seniors with medicare. 32 million children in schools that need payments to continue

serving nutritious lunches. 44,000 national institutes of health grantees conducting lifesaving medical research and providing an estimated 500,000 jobs. we, my colleagues, should be focused often jobs -- on jobs. putting people to work. instead the republicans want to play games of brinksmanship on the budget and the debt limit, even though the foreseeable consequence will be plummeting stock markets and businesses freezes their hiring. the republican budget plan itself shortchanges american jobs in infrastructure, results in education and defense layoffs, closes head start and after school programs, and die vests in health research. and the sequester, c.b.o. tells

us, will cost the united states jobs up to 1.6 million over the next year. i hope at some point we are able to agree on a bipartisan c.r. that can be enacted. the one before us, unfortunately, is not it. unfortunately we'll be back here again next week facing the same crisis. i yield back. i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from new york reserves. the gentleman from kentucky is recognized. mr. rogers: i yield two minutes to the chairman of the energy and water subcommittee on appropriations, the gentleman from new jersey, mr. frelinghuysen. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from new jersey is recognized for two minutes. mr. frelinghuysen: madam speaker, i thank the gentleman for yielding. i rise in support of the continuing resolution. i do so with a no small amount

of frustration since ranking member capture and i worked hard on our energy and water bill, putting months of work into it. it's passed the house and now it's held up. ours was a tough but balanced bill. we made difficult choices to get under the $960 billion cap set by this house while still funding our nation's critical priorities. strong national definance, the work of the army corps of engineers, and yes the work of the department of energy. all of that work will be thrown away unless we deal with sequestration and get back to what we call regular order. coming up with an approach to manage or perhaps best eliminate sequestration will take some time. as those decisions are being made, our nation must be kept open for business and government must provide critical services. if the government shuts down, many of those services will not be funded, military personnel will not be paid, and their families will suffer. this would be an unpardonable

breach of trust to our men and women in uniform. energy and water bill, many army corps engineers' activities would quickly grind to a halt and that includes the dredging of waterways critical to american jobs and businesses and work on flood control structures such as levees. and then our national laboratories, critical and time sensitive work to maintain the reliability of our nuclear weapons would also slow down. that would be unconscionable. work overseas to ensure that nuclear weapons materials are kept out of the hands of those who would do our country harm would also be curtailed. colleagues, the continuing resolution before us is a limited, temporary measure which includes no objectionable provisions and ensures that the government keeps its obligations to the american people. it deserves passage so the senate can quickly begin its consideration of the measure. i thank you. i yield back the balance of my

time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the gentlewoman from new jersey is recognized. >> i'm pleased to yield five minutes to the gentleman from the ways and means committee, mr. levin. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan is recognized. mr. levin: i ask unanimous consent to revise and extend. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. this bill defunds still more than the affordable care act. it undermines medicare. it would end improvements in new prescription drug benefits, increases costs for those with medicare advantage and hurts children covered by chip as well as the disabled. but this measure has still more peril for our country.

we in the house are like two ships passing in the night. house republicans will pass this bill. it will sail off to the senate, surely to return after the senate has stripped off the effort to defund the affordable care act. so then it will be squarely up to the speaker of this house. will he act as the captain of the entire house of representatives or remain a captive of his right-wing republican mates? will he worry mainly about the risk to his speakership or the risk to our entire nation? house republicans, taking the ship over the cliff, would take the nation's economic

well-being with it. this is the enevidentible danger of the course being chosen today by house republicans, and only those blinded by rigid ideology can fail to see it. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the gentlewoman from new york reserves. the gentleman from kentucky is recognized. mr. rogers: madam speaker, i yield two minutes to the chairman of the homeland security subcommittee on appropriations, the gentleman from texas, mr. carter. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas is recognized for two minutes. mr. carter: and i thank the gentleman for yielding. madam speaker, for years i have pushed for the return to regular order. this short-term c.r. will allow us to do just that by giving the time to finalize a broader budget deal, complete the fiscal year 2014 appropriations bills and get our nation's

fiscal house in order by getting the budget process back in regular order. our appropriation process matters. it matters for the oversight of the sprawling federal bureaucracy. it matters to control our government spending, and it is a basic duty of the congress that is explicitly spelled out in the united states constitution. this is necessary so a base c.r. prevents a disastrous government shutdown that no one wants and would especially harm our men and women in uniform. i urge the senate to pass this and the president to sign it into law as soon as possible to avoid a devastating and avoidable government shutdown. furthermore, this bill responds to the clear will of the american people by defunding obamacare, a tremendously flawed law that is casting

havoc upon businesses and citizens alike and it must be repealed. mr. chairman, i thank you for the leadership you are giving us on this bill and i thank you for your commitment to regular order and to ensuring that in the next few weeks we wrap up f.y. 2014 process the right way by conferencing all 12 appropriations bills. i urge the members to support this c.r. i look forward to a quick passage by the senate and signature by the president to keep the government running and to avoid a needless shutdown. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from kentucky reserves. the gentlewoman from new york is recognized. -- lowey: the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from new york is recognized. mrs. lowey: i'm pleased to reserve and yield to my good

friend, chairman rogers. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from kentucky is recognized. mr. rogers: i'm proud to yield to the veterans subcommittee on appropriations, the gentleman from texas, mr. culberson. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas is recognized for two minutes. mr. culberson: today the constitutional conservatives in the house are keeping their word to stand true to our principles, to protect them from the most unpopular law ever passed in the history of the country, obamacare, that intrudes on their privacy, our most sacred right as americans is to be left alone, and we have also kept our word today in this continuing resolution to ensure that our government continues to operate while we negotiate in good faith with the president and with the senate to find a way forward. our short-term continuing resolution fully funds every aspect of the government. in fact, it's important for people to remember that the senate has had the military, construction and veterans

affairs bill for over three months, so they could have passed it a long time ago. the senate has had the defense appropriations bill since the -- since late july, so they could have passed that bill a long time ago and put it on the president's desk and we could have ensured that our military will be paid. the senate has had the department of homeland security bill since june and they have done nothing. the senate has had the energy and water bill since july 10 and have done nothing. we, the constitutional conservative in the majority, have kept our word to our constituents and the nation to fund the essential aspects of the government and done everything we can do in our power to protect them from the most unpopular piece of legislation ever passed in the history of the congress, obamacare, by permanently and totally defunding it while protecting the core functions of the government. it's essential we pass this continuing resolution today from the perspective of our veterans to ensure that we have

the funding available to handle the disability claims backlog, to ensure that we have the resources necessary for the military to continue to build the facilities they need around the world to ensure that our men and women have everything they need to protect this great nation and our freedom in every corner of the planet. i urge my members -- to join me in supporting this continuing resolution and to keep our word to defund obamacare. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentlewoman from new york is recognized. mrs. lowey: i am very pleased to yield five minutes to the outstanding ranking member of the defense subcommittee of appropriations. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from indiana is recognized for five minutes. mr. visclosky: i thank the gentlewoman's time has expired for yielding. at the beginning of my remarks, i have to acknowledge that i

have made a mistake and that i have been wrong for the nearly three decades i have served in the united states congress. and i regret to have to admit that, but this morning in anticipation of today's debate, i took a look at article 1 of the constitution and realized in article 1, section 9, paragraph 7 i have been misreading it all of these years as a member of the appropriations committee. the paragraph reads, no money shall be drawn from the of ury but in consequence a continuing resolution. the constitution says nothing about appropriations apparently, because since fiscal year 2007, this chamber and the united states senate,

the congress collectively should have enacted, made decisions, thought about legislation, 84 appropriation bills. we have individually enacted nine. i am appalled that in late july, early august, last couple of weeks every member i have talked to in this chamber on both sides of the aisle, senior and new, have said if we can only do a continuing resolution, we can prevent the shutdown of the united states government. today in the united states congress, we consider it a success if all we do is pass a continuing resolution to do what we did in fiscal year 2013, if we did what we did in fiscal year 2012, if we did

what we did in fiscal year 2011 and 2010 and 2009 and 2008 and 2007. we are governing this country by looking backwards. we have a responsibility to make decisions, and i want to remind my colleagues just on the defense portion of this bill, some of the initiatives, the initiatives that will now not take place because of the continuing resolution under the leadership of chairman young and the members of that subcommittee. one of our initiatives is to ut, cut $153.5 million for unjustified cost growth of the joint strike fighter. one of the initiatives we would like to enact into law but cannot under the continuing ea-18-g, is for the we want to cut $131.4 million

for carryovers and cost growth. what we'd like to do if we could legislate in this body, we would like to trim $104 million, imagine that cutting the defense budget by $104 million for cost growth and funding that is not needed in the coming fiscal year? the next generation jammer, $99.9 million we would like to reduce. why? because of poor program execution and contract delays. within the last couple of months, we had a failed ballistic missile defense test. we have had' like to reduce in a account -- we'd like to reduce that account, take the initiative and cut it by $112 million. but let's do a continuing resolution. let's not make a decision about how we should fund the national

park service. what about the u.s. copy wright office? rite what about the bureau of engraving and printing, there should be some catastrophic fight we're having because they're going to be under a continuing resolution? food safety administration, the national institutes of allergy -- inphishes diseases infectoius diseases. i want to thank chairman rogers and ranking member lowey for trying to be responsible and get the job done, but if this continuing resolution is passed as is until december 15, i have a profound fear that our colleagues will be so exhausted from lurching to another crisis next month that we will do a

c.r. for the rest of the fiscal year and we will never go back to doing a governance of this country. i yield back my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from kentucky is recognized. mr. rogers: madam speaker, i yield two minutes to the chairman of the financial services appropriations subcommittee, the gentleman from florida, mr. crenshaw. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from florida is recognized for two minutes. mr. crenshaw: thank you very much, madam speaker. thank you for giving the time. chairman rogers, thank you for your leadership in this very difficult appropriations process. i think everybody agrees that the appropriation process is one of the most important functions of this congress, if not the most important. and while we would all like to be here having finished all the appropriations bills, there just wasn't quite enough time. and so all we're asking today

is for the members to adopt this continuing resolution. it will continue funding the government for the next three months at the same level it was funded last year. that will give us the time as a body to finish all the appropriations bills. some have passed the subcommittee and the full committee. some have passed this house. i know that the subcommittee that i chair, financial services, we had a number of hearings, members worked hard to try to set priorities, pass the subcommittee, pass the full committee and is ready to go before the house. . there are important things in that bill. i think we all heard the stories of the i.r.s. how they singled out individuals and groups baitsed on their political philosophy and subjected them to intimidation and bullying. we were all outraged. in our bill we make provisions

to say we are going to hold you accountable, we are going to use the power of the purse and ask you to come clean. no more of this. we actually commissioned some of the funding to the i.r.s. as to whether or not they'll put in place the safeguards that have been recommended to make sure that they don't continue this kind of outrageous behavior, and also make sure it doesn't happen again. so i think that we should pass this continuing resolution, fund the government for the short period of time, put in place the spending bills that set priorities, that make the tough choices that we have to make in these difficult times. i urge all my colleagues to vote yes on this continuing resolution. i yield back my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentlewoman from new york is recognized. reserves. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from new york reserves. the gentleman from kentucky is recognized.

mr. rogers: i yield to the gentleman from idaho, mr. simpson. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from idaho is recognized for two minutes. mr. simpson: thank you, mr. chairman. i appreciate that. i have to tell you that my good friend from indiana, mr. visclosky's statement, i agree with him. in fact most people sitting on the floor are on the appropriations committee and agree with him. we need to get back to the regular order. i can tell you our chairman and ranking member have been trying to get us back to reag order where we pass individual appropriation bills and get them done. so far we haven't been able to do that. it's necessary to do a short-term c.r. i can tell you that we have heard over the last couple days a lot of talk about republicans trying to shut down the government. it's the last thing we want to do. if we want to do that, we wouldn't be doing a short-term c.r. the reason we are doing a short-term c.r. instead of long-term c.r., we need to allow the appropriations committee to do their work, finish the bills, get conference reports done, and do our individual bills.

that's what we are working on. we can't fall into the abyss of a long-term c.r. as many know, and i'll give you an example, as many of you know the west has been on fire this summer. our chairman was out in idaho reducing the number of fish in our streams out there this summer. he saw the effects of the fires and what it's having in idaho and throughout the west. we were able to get into this short-term c.r., 636 million additional dollars to fund the forest service and b.l.m. in forest firefighting costs. we do a long-term c.r., we lose that. if we do individual bills, we'll be able to keep it. -- e need to get to a individual appropriation bills so that we can have our priorities met. some people think doing a long-term c.r. reduces funding. i will tell you if you look where we were last year with our bills we almost got done and ended up with a long-term c.r., the e.p.a. is spending about $75

million more this year than they would have under the bills we would have passed. so if you think that's the way to save money, it's not. we need to do our job. i was talking about forest firefighting service, i have to tell you since i have the floor for a minute, how proud i am of the work the forest service d. the contractors with the forest service, the hot shot crews from across the country. i met with some of them fromtown tfpblet i knew they were from tennessee because they spoke funny, but they did an amazing job and we ought to be proud of the work they do anti-resources to fight the wildfires. i appreciate it. pass this chorm c.r., keep the government operating and let the appropriations finish their job. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentlewoman from new york is recognized. the the gentlewoman from new york reserves. the gentleman from kentucky is recognized. i rogers: madam speaker, yield one minute to the

gentleman from texas, mr. poe. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas is recognized for one minute. mr. poe: i thank the gentleman. madam speaker, a single mother in houston, texas wrote me this letter. the affordable care act is affecting my family. i am a single mother. i have raised five boys on my own. i currently work two jobs to keep up with my monthly mortgage and utility bills. this is because my primary employer would not hire me to work more than 29 hours per week thanks to obamacare. now i have to work seven days a week at two jobs to make ends meet. while i am thankful i have these jobs, i am unable to provide supervision and guidance i feel my son needs and deserves to be successful. i had to make a tough decision that i did not want to make, my son is now living with relatives in another city. i am depressed that obamacare has begun to tear my family apart and also has put an unhealthy burden on me.

madam speaker, real person, real tragedy. it's time to free americans from the shackles of obamacare. defund obamacare and tell the senate to do the same. that's just the way it is. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentlewoman from new york is recognized. mrs. lowey: i reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from new york reserves. the gentleman from kentucky is recognized. mr. rogers: madam speaker, i yield two minutes to the chairman of the state foreign opszpheet on appropriations -- ops on appropriations. the gentlelady from texas. ms. granger: you for the hard work you put in the built on the committee. i rise in support of the continuing resolution to keep the federal government operating through december 15. and we hope this resolution will give the congress and the white house time to come together on a comprehensive budget agreement. i chair the state foreign

operations appropriations subcommittee and funding the bill directly supports u.s. national security. the world has never been a more dangerous place. and to cutback our diplomatic activities at this time would be irresponsible. failure to get a c.r. enacted would impact key posts, including israel, egypt, jordan, pakistan, afghanistan, and iraq. this would mean dramatically reduced influence in key regions like the middle east and asia. military assistance to our allies such as israel could be affected if payments are not made as planned, potentially jeopardizing the readiness of our partners. this could also impact the u.s. jobs so the men and women producing american made equipment. one year ago terrorist attack killed americans in benghazi. failure to pass this c.r. could delay implementation of the benghazi accountability review board recommendations and jeopardize the safety of our

diplomats who continue to serve abroad. it's important that we pass this c.r. today and the senate consider it as quickly as possible. it's a basic function and responsibility of congress, work for the people who elected us. this bill simply does that. i encourage my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to vote yes and i yield back my time to the chairman. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from kentucky reserves. the gentlewoman from new york is ecognized. rs. lowey: we reserve as well. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from contract c mr. rogers: i yield two minutes to the chairman of the commerce, justice, state subcommittee on appropriation, gentleman from virginia, mr. wolf. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from virginia is recognized for two minutes. mr. wolf: thank you, madam speaker. i want to thank chairman rogers for moving this bill. it is very important. i rise today in strong support

for this bill providing for continuing appropriation for initial weeks of fiscal year 2014 through december 15. this bill is needed to keep vital government services and programs operating past the end of the current fiscal year on september 30. the gentleman from kentucky has stated the committee on appropriations has made significant progress in moving annual appropriation bills. however additional time is needed to allow for the prompt completion over fiscal 2014 appropriation work. this resolution continues for discretionary program that the current postsequestration level, including critical programs on the jurisdiction of the c.j.s. subcommittee. such as the operation of the federal prison system. you can't shut down the federal prison system. the f.b.i. terrorism activities. the f.b.i. team is working with regard to benghazi as the former spokesman said. also working on

counterterrorism. the weather forecast. we have seen major storms hit this nation all the way in the past year, to shut that down and the warnings and satellite programs that they depend upon. and also for the continued development of nasa's space exploration programs. our nation is in serious financial trouble and it is well past the time that we put everything, everything on the table, including entitlements and agree to a long-term budget solution which includes an end to sequestration. hopefully the 76 days provided in the resolution by the chairman will be enough time when overall agreement to be reached and also to allow us to pass appropriation bills for f.y. 2014. i urge my colleagues and all members of the congress to support the c.r., avoid a devastating government shutdown, and create a window of time for the congress to fulfill a basic constitutional duty, the appropriation of funds for

government programs and services. i thank the chairman. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentlewoman from new york is recognized. mrs. lowey: we reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from new york reserves. the gentleman from kentucky is recognized. mr. rogers: madam speaker, i yield two minutes to the chairman of the agriculture subcommittee on appropriations. the gentleman from alabama, mr. aderholt. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from alabama is recognized for two minutes. mr. aderholt: thank you, madam speaker. thank you, chairman rogers, for giving me an opportunity to speak in support of h.j.res. 59, which is the f.y. 2014 continuing resolution. of course i think it's very obvious by the comments that the republicans have made on our side this morning that we do need to keep the government open ed at its furnt sequester funding level and provide the service that is our constituents have grown to expect from

government and certainly make sure we don't have a government shutdown. as chairman rogers mentioned, i chair the appropriations subcommittee on agriculture. and some may ask, why is it so important that we keep the government open? can't we just go with another year-long c.r.? i'd like to provide some reasons why the f.y. 2014 ag approps bill that passed the committee provide great benefits to the taxpayer and why we don't need to go to a year-long c.r. and certainly why we don't need to do a government shutdown. in the ag appropriations bill, we direct the states to be in full compliance with w.i.c. and snap eligibility standards and we increase oversight of vendors to rein in the cost. we require the usda to report on strategies being implemented to help weed out fraud, waste, and

abuse in the snap program. one thing i hear a lot about is the new school bill regulation. the we want to provide more flexibility for local school districts as they implement these new school regulations for meals for the students. we require the commodity future trading commission to develop cost benefit analysis of several of d.o.d.-frank provisions -- dodd frank provision that is are deemed to be costly. we encourage the usda to finalize an inspection rule that's proven to decrease illness causing pathogens at a reduced federal cost. i can tell you representing that district grows a lot of poultry, that is very important. in closing, madam chair, let me say i fully support h.res. 59 and ask for my colleagues to do the same. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired.

the gentlewoman from new york is recognized. mrs. lowey: i'm very pleased to yield two minutes to the distinguished gentleman from california. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california is recognized for two minutes. >> thank you. i thank ranking member lowey. madam speaker, i rise in strong righttion to this radical wing effort to walk our economy off of a cliff and cause a government shutdown. mr. swalwell: i invite my colleagues on the other side to wake up from this radical ideological dream and come back to reality. it's time for us to come to the negotiating table, to talk about what we can do to avoid a government shutdown. it takes health care coverage away from millions of people by blocking funding for obamacare. this is the 42nd attempt to do so and there is absolutely, as we all know, zero chance of it

happening. and make sure we have paid china first before we pay people in this country should the right wing continue to demand defunding of owe bam care at all cost and -- obamacare at all costs. we all know how it should end, there is a way to fund the government which would pass this chamber with votes from both sides of the aisle. can i only hope that the republican leadership will eventually listen to the pleas from the americans in my district and in the whole country and pursue this bipartisan effort. until then i urge all members to oppose this bill and i yield back the balance of my time. . the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from new york reserves. the gentleman from kentucky is recognized. mr. rogers: madam speaker, i yield one minute to the gentleman from louisiana, mr. scalise. mr. scalise: i thank the chairman, the gentleman from kentucky, for yielding. i rise to support this bill while continuing to fund government and defunding the president's health care law and ensure that