y of illinois and the national efforts toorter on pass a temporary spending bill and we will talk with executive correspondent charles clarke about the effect of a potential government shutdown. ♪ host: defendant lease today -- .he senate meets today at 10:00 even at that debate takes place, house leaders are meeting today with the rank-and-file to discuss their plans for how to deal with the debt ceiling. reportingngton post" a bill what allows a raise in the debt ceiling, including a one-year delay of the health- care law. by the way, the president traveled to have maryland today. you can see that life on c- span3. good morning, it is the "washington journal."

until atand at for days possible government shutdown, and as we have been doing all week, we continue to get your thoughts on this possibility, especially as you see what is happening in congress. here is how you can reach out to us this morning. (202) 585-3880 for democrats, (202) 585-3881 for republicans, and (202) 585-3882 for independents. social media available for you as well as morning. .-span -- twitter @cspanwj you can always in this e-mail, reach out to us there, journal@c-span.org. to give us the latest on what is going on as far as debates on capitol hill, concerning b nguyen news that came out yesterday, david hawkings of rollcall joins us. mr. hawkings, good morning. can we start with the senate? what is expected today as far as the continuation of their debate of the house bill, and what do

you see happening in the next few days? guest: the senate is coming in midmorning, 10 :00, and if there is some indication that members are running out of things to say on this particular matter, may have a collective interest, most republicans as well, in moving the debate along. right now under the rules, the next procedural step is another closer vote, another procedural votes, which would require 65 votes, but would not happen until friday morning. reed, the majority leader, and senator mcconnell are working we think on an agreement to get a unanimous agreement to take a vote earlier and move this bill along faster, maybe even get it back to the house early in the weekend or maybe even by tomorrow night to to the house more time, and get the house more time to make its next move, which we

think will be increasingly likely to volley a bill back to the senate with some other role as the provisions -- policy provisions. host: policy provisions of such as what? top,: as he said at the the republican leadership and with organization met yesterday, and they're going to present a plan to the rank-and-file this morning. as i understand it, the likeliest move that the republican leadership is going to propose is to send this bill back to the senate with two -- they would call them sweeteners, and a democrats will call them poison pills. one would be not to defund obamacare anymore, but to delay the individual mandate for one year, and the other would be language that would deny members of congress the government subsidy for their own health insurance, and maybe staff members as well. that idea seems to be fading a little bit. so cut off the subsidies, the health care subsidies for members and delay the implementation of the individual

mandate for a year. host: i guess you refer to them in the ways of bills on the senate height, there is no appetite for that? guest: i think there is a zero appetite for that. the road sounds as whether the senate could formalize its distaste for those provisions in time to avoid monday night at midnight. host: david hawkings, a story in the "washington post" today talking about the debt ceiling and a proposal on the house side how to deal with that. what is the idea? guest: the idea is -- first of all, just to stop and say that just in the last day come a the deadline -- just in the last day, the deadline for tackling be debt ceiling was closer than we used to think it was. the treasury department now think that is october 17, not the last week in october or earlier in november as we thought previously. so this second fiscal debate is right upon us, and the

republicans want to get it started as early as possible to have as much maneuvering room as possible. that being said, what do they want to propose? they have decided, the republican leadership, that the best way to get a bill, even through the house, that would raise the debt ceiling -- which so many republicans find that phase will -- find distasteful, even though the president is correct when he says this is legislation that would allow the government to pay bills previously incurred. republicans will only unite behind it if they are allowed to simultaneously vote for a long list of their conservative policy priorities. everything from mandated construction of the keystone pipeline from canada to the gulf of mexico to repealing the new andon medical devices, those are just the two that come to mind. host: the strategy is senate to the senate and let them deal with it. what is the long-term strategy as far as what the house once in

this? guest: you know, i really have no idea. it does not seem at this point as though the president -- the president has been ironclad, empathetic about not providing himself any wiggle room rhetorically at all. saying he will not accept any provisions in return for raising the debt ceiling. i mean, nothing at all. so i do not really understand, talking toonest from some republicans, not sure that they have yet figured out what their in game is on this. other than to at least give the republicans one chance to say that they voted to raise the debt ceiling, and then put in the president and democrat's court to say date reviews to go along with the court -- with the ideas. host: are they making preparations were shut down? guest: yes, it is. they sent a formal letter to

every agency and department selling them to consider carefully who is essential and who is not. and to put plans in place so that on monday night or tuesday morning, people will know whether they are supposed to come to work or not. congress is quietly doing the same thing. the courts are as well. this is different in one important way from the shutdown 1996, -- of 1995 and which is back then, congress had actually passed appropriations bills for the year, so the entire shutdown only affected about happy departments or agencies. this time, not a single regular appropriations bill has passed. we're talking about funding for the entire government, so everybody has to get ready. host: there is a story in the "washington post" saying in the district of columbia, mayor gray has declared that all people there will be essential. guest: that is a fascinating story for those of us who live

in the district, as i do. pressyor seems eager to the case harder than other district officials have in the past. that their fiscal autonomy should allow them -- even though the district receives considerable federal appropriations and really could not balance its budget without these appropriations, which are ultimately a payment and set up taxes since so much of the district is federal land, the federal government is not pay property taxes on its land. , the gray says that aside district of columbia citizens pay plenty of taxes, and i should be able to keep the district open with the tax money that they have already paid us. with david hawkings rollcall, their senior editor, talking about the possible shutdown of the federal government. thank you. guest: thank you, pedro. host: again, if you want to give us your thoughts, (202) 585-3880 for democrats, (202) 585-3881

for republicans, and (202) 585- 3882 for independents. the social media sites will be made available to you as well. let's hear from the walkie, wisconsin on our democrat line. this is robert. good morning. caller: good morning, pedro. i have two issues i would like to discuss. thatirst one is the fact all of my veteran buddies on the veterans --l the disabled or nondisabled veterans on the right, who are on the side of a government shutdown, just come to the realization that you are not going to get paid. disability checks or any other checks. the second thing is that as far who aref the people supposedly takers as far as the republicans are concerned, people who need health care,

food stamps, things of that nature, they're mostly in the red states. it seems like all the red state people are clamoring for this people itand the only is going to affect as yourself. that is all i have to say. up next,ya is martinsburg, west virginia, independent line. caller: hi. i think they should go ahead and shut the government down before they try to raise the debt ceiling. in for all the black people states like florida, virginia, philadelphia and ohio and 2010 when president obama told the black people go out there and vote, don't let these republicans get to office, don't let them republicans fill up all the state houses. all these like people would not

get their butts in the street, but they want to always say they left president obama, but president obama told them to get their butts out there in the street. 2014, they will probably still stay home, talking about how much they love president obama. host: republican line, this is john. as ar: yes, i am calling republican. i do not understand why the democrats just don't go along with the republicans. the republicans for years have said that they do not want to find this stuff. i mean, they started the war in afghanistan in 2001, and they did not find it. i mean, they cut taxes in 2001. that was the largest tax cut in history. -- 215, the republicans wanted to go to war over weapons

of mass distraction in iraq, and they said that they would not find it. that was the year they give the second-largest tax cut. right at the same time, they put , which was part d just as expensive as obamacare, and they said we will not find don't theer, so why democrats just say we are going to enact obamacare, and we will not fund it. thoughts offe of of facebook this morning, facebook.com/c-span, marion round is exhausted with the fact that everyone else in the world is required to use reason and respect except our nation's leaders. brad perry adding his thoughts -- and shut the bloated pig government down. madeain, your thoughts available off of facebook. you can call us on the phone, you can reach us on twitter as well. social media address is there on the screen. is billwitter, this king who asks -- and it's time for speaker boehner to gather

his house tea party caucus and set them straight saying we not shutting down the government. one of the writing of ways you can reach out to us -- variety of ways you can reach out to us, this is roslyn from wilmington, delaware, independent line. caller: good morning. i own a treasury. i am a social security recipient. i am 72 and disabled. i watched the gold market. i am furious at what they have done to our dollar and continue to do, it is a race to the bottom. ivoted for obama care because stay away from doctors, and they keep dropping me when i really need them. there is a shortage and doctors in this country. it costs a quarter of a million dollars to go to medical school. we have money for the empire building, money for the banks, money to rescue insurance companies. we do not have money for enough doctors in this country. so i am voting to shut down the

government. miss a couponf i on my one little treasury right now. remember, after world war i, in germany, they printed money like crazy to the point where it began to be used as wallpaper. that helped cause world war ii. so our government is chaos. the whole system is chaos. thank you. host: you hurt our guest at the top of the show, david hawkings, talking about the debt ceiling plan at the house republicans are coming forward as part of legislation along with a requirement in order to allow for a raising of the debt foring, when it says corporate supposed to begin with, one would be a one-year debt increase, a one-year delay mandatecare, passage and benefits, a timetable for tax reform, and number four, issues about the keystone xl pipeline. well provisions there as

that expand upon these core principles. as you take a look at that, expect to be attached in some way, shape, or form in some way that the house will send to the senate. let's hear from cody, democrats line. caller: yes, good morning. my comment is on the keystone pipeline. it seems a little ironic that we ile willing to build an o sideline through the heart of our nation, where morse of the the region is drought stricken, and farming communities. my suggestion would be to build pipeline,t, a water instead of an oil pipeline, to provide that region with the water that it needs. ast: and to the issue of possible government shutdown, what are your thoughts on that?

caller: i do not agree that the government should be shut down. i think that there needs to be theacks as far as what senators and representatives are allowed to do as far as taking personal flights and staying in hotels and stuff like that. host: barrett up next, rhode island, republican line. caller: good morning. i just wanted to comment a little bit on a bit of everything, really. after i watched senator cruz's speech for 21 hours, i thought how useless all this bickering is between parties right now and how we are not doing the right thing that we should be doing in order to try to get a resolution in the economy, you know, the

affordable care act, i believe -- you know, some point the republicans are making are very valid, but at the same point, i think they're going about it the wrong way. i do not think a government shutdown is necessary, but i do think there should be copper mines between both parties. the keystone pipeline would bring a lot of revenue to our country, but at the same time you know coming from a guy who works in the mortgage interest --e, my company's crummy premiums have already gone up. i think there needs to be in the valuation. and talkear sit down about extension is a good idea. talking and listening to be london, i think it is a good idea that we have some sort of compromise between two parties here. i am almost sick and tired of saying i am a republican. i should say i am an american, i am for freedom, i am for the constitution. that should be what the main accomplishment should be, not

what my views are versus your views. that just brings arguments to the people. host: the caller talked about senator cruz. if you want to see all of what he had to say, go to our c-span website for more, but there was reaction on the floor to the 21 hours at the race. this is senator chuck schumer, democrat of new york, talked about senator ted cruz and those who would want to use legislation to defund the health-care law. [video clip] >> don't hold the american people hostage simply because you are so sure you are right and everyone else is wrong. don't hold the social security recipient hostage, don't hold the rail worker hostage, don't hold the person who depends on inspectors who inspect our food or patrol our borders hostage. want, obamacare all you but please don't threaten to

shut down the government because you can't get your way. ness off of twitter at this -- if they "shut the government down," all of it should be shut down, not just parts of it. later on in this program, we will talk about what areas the federal government will be affected if the government shutdown takes place. for our continuing time today, about 25 minutes or so, your thoughts on a possible shutdown. here is joseph, tennessee, independent line. caller: hello, sir. i wanted to make a couple of points, and i will let you guys talk. first off, i want is a thank you for c-span and letting everybody open their eyes and really have a good cumbre station about this stuff. it is unfortunate that we cannot -- or at least until recently we have not been seeing this up on mainstream media. a lot of the things that have been coming out have been forced by alternative media. i want to make a couple of points as a military member, or

military member, rather, it is important to understand that america is a power -- is a superpower and has been for a long time. militarily, we are extremely strong. our economy has been extremely strong for a long time. so for countries to come in and take us out, they have to be using economics and buying out corrupt politicians. if we really look into it, there is a couple of groups that we can really look into. the war works as the family, the rockefellers, these people are members of really a fascist regime that is act by banking cartel that pay for terrorist acts that really forced. to be but when we should be looking at love and unity. and this entire right-left in-digm between -- the fighting amongst americans, the main thing that we need to be

concerned about -- host: here is robert, birmingham, alabama, democrats line. caller: this boils down to one thing. this is not the president, which happens to be a man of color, leave a legacy here. this is all this is. it has nothing to do with nothing else. they have been saying no to barack since he has been in office. the only legacy they have is health care, and they want to destroy it. meanwhile, actually trying to shut the government down, let this be the law of the land. it is a said it. thank you. ,ost: information on the rates the changes were released yesterday, the "chicago sun- times writing that part of the budget office for those in the state changes

host: it goes on taking a look at some of the analysis. yesterday, some of the papers talking about how your state individually will be affected. overall, we are talking about the funding of the government. the senate continuing debate, expected to vote on the weekend, possibly, your chance to talk about it now on our phone lines or social media. ted, jackson, alabama, republican line. caller: good morning. what i have to say is -- i told

the young lady i was republican, but basically i might consider myself as being an american. what i have to say about it is as washington, d.c. has become this word that has been used, and oligarchy. i think people, when they are elected to office and they go to washington dc, they probably have good intentions when they get there, but then they realize that they're going to lose this power, and they are in a world of their own, and when you see this thing in the senate and in the house where they want to keep their health care and they want the rest of the world to live under those things that they have passed, they are not considering the fact that they are citizens just like the rest of us, and they should be under the same rules and regulations that we are. have -- representative vibrant of south carolina maybe

statement one-time the congress never considers the positive vision and anything that they do, and when they do not answer the division, then they are denying all of us because additional rights that we have. host: ryan, pittsburgh, massachusetts, independent line. caller: a week and a half ago, the stock market went up because exports went up in china. that means all of our businesses -- all of our companies move to china. they make money when the exports go up. protest, go to your city hall to protest to put tariffs on china so we can bring jobs back to this country. host: that is brian from massachusetts. another story, stemming from the navy short -- navy yard shooting, stills from video that was taken, it shows aaron alexis

before he was shot. it also said some of the causes that were released by the fbi yesterday, here is a quote host: norma up next, kingsbury, texas, democrats line. caller: yes, sir, i just want to clear up -- a question to clear up. the military pay -- is it going to be affected? hello? host: keep going. caller: is the military pay of active-duty people going to be affected? host: i have heard that people could say on service but they

would not be paid, and that they would be made up later. people well, most of the that are shutdown realize that these people that are in service , are signed in for three or four years at a time, and they cannot just throw that backpack off their shoulders and find another job for the family. and how long can they feed people on nothing? know, i am torn with the government shutdown idea completely. we do have people in afghanistan that have children here better living on basis. i was a military brat myself. i just can't imagine them not , but beingy check shipped to overseas bases when i was growing up and having no pay and then -- or having to live out the charity of churches and whatever else that is around the area. talking, i you were pulled up the stars newspaper here in d.c., and this is what

it said, this was published on september 23 -- military troops including those in conflict zones may have their paychecks delayed if elected officials in washington cannot work out a deal to fund government operations. civilians canof be temporarily furlough, however, and it would require an act of congress for than to get retroactive pay. there is more to this article as well. caller: i have one suggestion for everyone, stop tying ribbons stop hating with camouflage paint, and pay these people. they need a paycheck. host: bill from that of any, republican line. caller: good morning, pedro. you know, this government is a quarter of our economy now, and in 30 years, it is going to be 36% of our economy, i think i heard someone say on c-span yesterday, one of the representatives.

know, this is what is happening on a thursday, we have got obamacare breaking down my back. i do not want to figure out how to do all this. i do not want to deal with trying to put your life together to pay your bills, move forward, and you have got all this stuff coming out of washington that you really don't want to deal with. the military pay, yeah, you can look at a case like that, let me just point out that during the revolutionary war, the soldiers from visiting it, they do not get paid for months and months, and you know what, they kept doing their job. cuts cut the government, the money to it, and see what we really need because this government is to damn big. it is out of control. cut it. host: more reaction to senator ted cruz, this is senator john mccain on the floor, taking issue with senator ted cruz because he make comparisons with those who oppose the up portable

character not be appeasers oppose thewere to -- affordable care act not be appeasers to world war ii. [video clip] >> my friend from texas he said "if you go back to the 1940's nazi germany, look, we saw in britain neville tamerlan, we told the british people accept the not his, yes they will dominate the continent of europe, but that is not our problem, let's appease them, why, because it cannot be done. we cannot possibly stand against them." "it he went on to say suspect those same pundits who say defunding medicare, obamacare can't be done if it had been any 1940's, we would have been listening to them, they would have been saying you cannot defeat the germans ." i resoundingly reject that allegation.

that allegation in my view is a great the service for those brave americans and those who stood up and say what has happened in europe cannot stand. i spoke to senator cruz about my dissatisfaction about his use of this language, and he said he only intended it to be applied to pundits and not to members of the senate. i find that a difference without a distinction. something that i think i had to respond to. do not begrudge senator cruz or any other senator who wants to come and talk as long as they want to, as long as they can, depending on the rules of the senate, but i do disagree strongly to allege that there are people today who are like

those who prior to world war ii did not stand up and oppose the atrocities that were taking place in europe. dispatch"hmond times has a story taking a look at the virginia governor's race, can lli, the republican liffeee, and terry mcau host: if you want to get several debates, you saw a little but of earlier this morning, go to our c-span website, we have this and ther information for governors and governors races. c-span.org is how you can see that.

you may see other topics as far as a government such down -- shutdown. we go back to calls. here is steve, cedar rapids, iowa, independent line. morning, pedro, and thank you for c-span. i have a couple of quick comments. please do not cut me off. yoursonally believe that, know, if they cannot keep the government running, then they are not doing their jobs. if they are not doing their jobs, they should not be paid, just like anybody else. if i did not do my job, i would be fired, and i think they should be, too. it is getting ridiculous. these congressmen and senators are constantly on vacation, spring break, summer break, fall break. when they do show up in the white house and try to actually go to work, normally if they get anything done, it ends up harming america. it is totally out of

control, and they should all just go home and stay home. we would probably be better off without them. i appreciate you letting me comment appeared you have a great day, sir. teresa up next, st. petersburg, florida, democrat line. caller: thank you. it is pretty dangerous, the idea of a showdown. our economy is gradually picking up. the deficit is going down. and that is what the republicans hate. to undo any progress that president obama has made. they do not care about the american people. ever since he won the election in 2008, it has been their main goal to try to take this president down and undo any good he has done. they remind me of a lease in a schoolyard. if they cannot have all the toys -- the republicans -- they will bust up any toys that are there. host: and that is teresa from florida. story in the "detroit free press" this morning taking a look at the detroit fiscal situation.

the headline -- $100 million or more could be coming to detroit host: more is available at the "detroit free press." joins us from tennessee, republican line. caller: yes, good morning. to the government politicians had

not taken their vacation as long as they did, they would have been in a decision. they could have worked on the problem prior to the point that we're at now and possibly we would not be at this point, but mainalso points to the parts of the problem, which is the health care. unconstitutional, and there should be a law passed that would not allow any bill .nless it was bipartisan vote i think the american people have been railroaded, and they do not want this health care bill. have sympathy for americans who do not have health care, but at the same time, i do not think that this was properly put in place for the american people,

and it is wrong. a law should be passed where it rebuilt, if it is not bipartisan and both parties are including independents do not agree with it, that it should not pass. thank you and have a wonderful day. at the united nations, secretary state john kerry and the iranian foreign minister will meet there today for talks that analysts say could pave the iranian a warmer u.s.- relations after a decade-long phrase. host: joe from maryland,

independent line, hi. caller: good morning, pedro, how are you? host: fine, thank you. caller: a couple of points. the first being about the government shutdown. this is pretty obvious that this is not something that will work --oro the country's the republicans favor. the beans about the affordable care act, it was a bill that was voted in -- i'm trying to remove or something unpopular as this i was voted in. it had a 70% on favorability rate, and in the states actually had to be bought out. es for the senators' vot nowand it gets passed. and sed, and now i can understand why people are pressured it with the process. i guess you can see where the republicans and some of the more

conservative democrats are coming from, but to shut down rightvernment is not the answer. somehow, the answer is to make sure people are held responsible to their voting decisions, things of that nature. the scary thing is the politics become so partisan at this point in time that people are not looking at result-based decisions, such as where we are with dobbs, things -- jobs, things of this nature. they are talking out of a motion and things of that nature. it is sad to see the country and the state that it is then. host: here is joel, democrats line. caller: yes, we would have better jobs if the republicans had voted on obama's jobs bill. they say no to everything the president is for. a lot of these bills the

president asked our republican bills. a black man. he is they do not want no black man to run the government. they wanted the white man on the top all the time. is a multicultural country. everybody is going to have a job that somebody does not like. this is everybody's. it is not just the republicans -- it is white, black, latino, and hispanics. everybody runs this country, everybody bled for this country. they do not want you to pass nothing. host: later in the program, we ink about what is going on congress of the affordable care act. up until then, taking your calls. if you want to reach out to us, (202) 585-3880 for democrats, (202) 585-3881 for republicans, (202)r independents, 585-3882. journal" has at story taking a look at hillary clinton's potential run for

presidency. the headline -- clinton advisers rebooting for 2016. some of the things he writes this morning say that the computerized lists of small donors is resembled by president obama's reelection team host: peter from florida, republican line. caller: yes, sir, thank you for taking my call. i was looking at the whole thing with the government shutdown, and the problem is that the were never represented correctly in the first place when everything was voted on. and like the other caller pointed out, we were told that they were going to vote yes when we told them to vote no.

why do we put this to the people of the u.s.? let uson an election, all vote, if we say no, it is dropped, it is done, and now there is no more problem with the government shutting down and then they can decide how they can redesign it so that it actually works, affordable for everyone. because this is not affordable at this point. we were not told all the truth when it was first presented, and it just snowballed into this , government gobbling of money that is not going to help anybody. it is not going to benefit us at all. thank you. host: chris up next, indianapolis, independent line. caller: i'm glad you are leading me through. i'm just curious, i know it has got to cost congress something to come in session every day and to vote, take both, whether they are there for two hours or six hours. been 42 voteshave

for the republican party to try to repeal the affordable care act, and it is not a obamacare, it is affordable care act. how much does that cost the tax tears over a period of five years? i think the public should know that. be a sticklerg to for the rules and the cause edition and financially response will, i think the book -- the public need to know that. thank you. a picture of george h w bush standing with two friends, clnie climate -- bonnie ement.

host: janet up next, pennsylvania, democrats line. caller: hello, hi, how are you doing? host: well, thank you. caller: thank you for taking my call. it is in reference to the government shutdown. understand, if the people voted for obama, and he was pushing his medical philosophy, if the people do not like it, why was he voted back in? when we all know that he was going to push ahead with this. the other thing is, i think to think that all the people that are against the obamacare are people that have insurance.

i think it would be nice to do a poll of the people who are uninsured to see how they feel about it because obviously the republicans and the tea party people are loud, they yell, they holler, and they shut down those that would benefit from it. maileived a notice in the from a large employer that my husband works part-time from boasting that this is the smallest increase in a premium in the last 10 years, and that company that is against obamacare, yet they brag about this in their brochure as this is their idea, and it is not have anything to do with obamacare. listen,eople would just go online, read about it, they would find out how good it is going to be for the country.

host: pew research center without a poll on internet uses. here is the headline -- 50% of americans do not use the internet. older people more likely to stay off-line. later on the piece, gives reasons why some people do not use them. here among them, some of the people gave for not going online, 34% said the internet is not relevant to them. they're not interested, do not want to use it or need it. 13% not have a computer, 7% not have internet access, 6% said his too expensive. worried aboutre privacy, viruses, spam, or hackers. 4% says it is a waste of time. that does not stop the rest of us. nearly a third of people cited usability for not going online. this includes people who say physicallyo old or unable to get online because they have poor eyesight or are disabled. one must call, this is from florida, republican line. caller: how are you.

host: fine, thank you. caller: the lady from pennsylvania is very intelligent, i can tell. i am republican, but i am going independent now. it seems like republican are just a bunch of white men. she said it right. againople voted for obama and this was a big discussion before this election, and he won outright, so what is the discussion? this should not be happening right now. thank you. call weat is the last will take on this topic. coming up, we will continue our conversation, taking a look at a possible government shutdown. two legislators joining us fear we will be for stub joined by representative lynn westmoreland, republican of georgia. later on, representative jan schakowsky joining us, she serves the state of illinois and democrat from that state. we will have those discussions as "washington journal" continues right after this. ♪

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off the radar quite a bit since the end of the cold war. >> words you do not want to hear together. nuclear weapons and accidental destination. investigative journalist eric schlosser on "command and booktv. on get involved,wn," post your comments 24/seven on facebook and twitter. " continues.journal guesses morning, representative lynn westmoreland, republican of georgia, also member of the financial services committee. thank you for joining us. when a senate sends back a bill, and if it does not include provisions for finding the affordable care act, what do you think the house will do with that? guest: we really do not know what they are going to send back. we are waiting to do that. i do think that we will send

something back. i do not know what it will be, depending on what the senate sends us. you can never tell what those guys and gals over there will do and what they will send back. we're just waiting for it, and then we will respond to it. host: what is the value in sending something back? guest: well, we do not know what they will send us, but we're just assuming from the way they have responded to what we have sent over that what they sent us not going to be something that we can agree to. host: because? guest: because we do not agree philosophy is, especially in the health care area, so that seems to be the thing that we are all trying to address right now because of the october 1 kick in date and the january kick in date. so we do not know what they're going to send back. that is the position that is unattainable if you do not know what your opponents, what the other side of the aisle, what

the other side of the building is going to do. host: a story this morning saying that the house plans an effort looking at the debt limit and attaching certain provisions which would allow for an extension of the debt limit for . would you support that? guest: we have got to see what that is. we have a conference this morning at 9:00 to see what all the proposals are going to be, and when they're going to try to vote on it. i personally believe we need to weish the c.r. first before go onto the debt limit, but it will be interesting to hear what their reasoning is for wanting to go in and bring the debt filling up. host: what do you think the reasoning is? guest: i do not know. maybe always keep a ball in play. you know, we are waiting on the senate to act. offense is moved to give them something else to look at. i do not know. i mean, we have not heard yet what the exact plan is going to be. host: what about the shutdown of

government? guest: the shutdown of government -- nobody wanted. we do not want it. i do not think anybody wants to shut down the government. that is just one of the threats that is out there to the american people. now, you have got some people who say shut it down, others say oh, no, don't shut it down, but the thing about it is that at , you are heldtime accountable for what you are doing and what you want do. so i think that point, it could be a stalemate. now, i do not think that is going to happen because i do not think either side wants it to happen, but what they're willing to give to make it not happen, we do not know yet. host: as far as the debt ceiling, would you approve of passing the debt ceiling and let that deadline past? guest: the debt ceiling is something that i think is going to have a lot of moving parts to it.

in the last 50 years, when you have had a divided government, you always work with the spending and debt ceiling together. regardless of what the administration, the president says. you have always adhered over the last five decades peer we have done that. there is got to be some give and take over that. the president says he is not going to negotiate, so that be a problem. host: halaby voted in the past? -- how have you voted in the past? guest: i have a voted both for and against the depending on what is and appeared we have based our decision on that. i voted to move it to may. .hen they came up last year but i have also voted not to raise it. it just depends on what the debt ceiling till is, just like any other piece of legislation. post" sayswashington it could include a one-year debt increase, which could allow us a one-year delay of the health

care law, and move along the keystone xl pipeline. to attachacceptable those in your opinion if that is the case yo? yeah, and i think there are other things, i think we can look at our energy policy. shutting down our coal plants, the coal act problem, the rains act, there are a lot of different things and different approaches that can take to get this debt ceiling. i think the one thing that we want to find out is look, if we put all of the things in the bill, what are the savings we are going to have, what is it going to reduce our spending, what are the going to reduce really our deficit, and then look at raising the debt ceiling , but we do not want to not pay our bills. at the same time, this is the that over the last

five decades, people have taken to work on our spending problems and different reforms. and the tax reform is something that we desperately need. our corporate taxes are way too high and really most americans , so there through -- cann be sis 45, 46% be as high as 45%, 46%. so we need to get that down. if you look at what canada's is, japan, other countries that we trade a lot with, we have got to get that down and bring businesses back to this country. us until guest joining 8:30. representative lynn westmoreland, republican of georgia. you can talk to him this morning. (202) 585-3880 for democrats, (202) 585-3881 for republicans, and it is (202) 585-3882 for independents. here is bonnie, middletown, new jersey, good morning. caller: good morning. let's talk reality here.

the deficit was cut by a half i president obama the first am at the promise. ceiling has to do with what we owe, and yes you are deadbeats if you do not pay your bills. or print taxes, yeah, they have lobbyists to take care of that, they are not paying that 35%, you know that as well as we do -- that is informed. they're bringing our jobs overseas because the government is giving them a tax cut to do so. if you want to talk about tax, let's really talk about tax reform. the top 1% pays how much? and the middle-class is carrying what kind of burden? what are you doing for the working-class families? ofst: bonnie, i think first all, your comment about the president cutting the deficit in half, that is true if you look

at the fact that he almost doubled the deficit in his first year in office, so when you double something and then cut in half, i do not know if you can call that real progress. what are we doing to try to help the middle-class? we are trying to keep them employed. we are trying to keep the economy from going to a part- time economy. sure thating to make men and women have full-time jobs rather than being cut down hour work weeks. we are trying to reform the health care, the american health care or formats that we have proposed, that will help do that. so there are a lot of different things that we are trying to do for the middle-class. if you look at the middle-class, and that is a keyword that the useident and the democrats is the middle-class, but if you look at the middle-class, they are going away. they are going away.

that is not good. so we are trying to do everything we can to really strengthen the middle class. so i appreciate your call, bonnie. host: michael is in new york, republican line, hi. caller: hi. i just wanted to tell you i am a business owner. i have 10 employees, and i have had these same 10 employees for the last 20 years. basically, my insurance rate has in 2002 from $4000 a year all the way up to $14,000 a year. the bottom line is i have looked into this affordable care act, and you know what? it is not that bad. you republicans -- and i am a republican -- are starting to take all of your leads from the limbaugh's, the annity's, and it has got into point where you are not dealing with facts anymore.

you are just dealing with ridiculous ideas of what you think it should be and how it should be. you: michael, could elaborate a little bit more on why you think it is not that bad and what made you come to that conclusion yo? caller: think about this actually, if you add another 39 million people on to an insurance plan, the insurance plan, all of the insurance plans will have to go downward. and i saw this out of massachusetts, of course i used to have a land up there, and the under thathappened facility up there, and all the insurance plans went down in the state of massachusetts. why can't you understand and start dealing with facts? michael, i appreciate that. we receive e-mails every day

from our constituents, and i consider those the facts that i look at. what people are telling me at home. and when you have a single mom call and say look, you know, my insurance has doubled, tripling, or you have a young man call and say look, i cannot even get a policy anymore because nobody is writing individual so, those are the facts that i look at. i do not know what facts you are talking about. new york does happen to be one of the states where the premiums could come down, but if you look at north carolina, where premiums will go up almost 400% for some groups of people -- same thing in nebraska -- there are a lot of different states that look at it differently than new york because new york is one

of those states where we have heard the premiums could come down. adding 39 about million people to an insurance program, and their rates will come down, i think you are fooling yourself. had 39 million people to the insurance rolls, when we -- we do not have the doctors, the nurses or anybody else to treat that many people immediately under a program that we do not know what it will be like yet. the fact that someone is working for home depot, ups, or whoever it is, and they ensure the employee, but do not ensure the theyy, the wife and kids, cannot get a subsidy. that does not make good sense because we will have about 500,000 children that will not have insurance.

those are the facts. host: "george will" writes about the legislative strategy. guest: what is the question? host: your thoughts. guest: that is the only way we will be able to do it, when six senate seats. host: but the idea of voting for it and letting that take place. that: i think the people

live in those states where the possible seats might be deserved to know how their senator might vote on these issues. it is important that we get these issues over there to make them vote for it and i am all -- it he made 51% majority for it being a 51% majority to put those people on record. on many times leadership both sides try to prevent members from voting on certain things. i can tell you how i believe all day long. but if i never vote on that issue, the people i represent do not really know how i feel on it, so what is the problem in voting on, these issues? i do not think there is a problem. we have sent bill after bill after bill to the senate that they refuse to vote on. why don't they come out from under the skirts of harry reid?

we know what they say, but how do they really feel when the rubber meets the road, how will they vote? we want to raise the debt ceiling. we do not want to shut down the government. we think there are some things out there that are necessary to make this country better, that would help the middle class, i would help all americans, and we want to put those options forward. constants. florida. caller: good morning. i am 75. i have no savings of my own. -- my husband was sick for 10 years and i had to take care of them and leave my job. if the government shuts down and there is no social security?

what choice do i have but suicide? what am i going to do? guest: entitlements would continue. social security is something you learned, that you paid into -- earned, you paid into. entitlements would continue. government workers would not get paid. we are hoping to approve some of the bills we have passed as far as appropriations. the senate has not passed one appropriations bill on the floor of the senate because they are afraid to vote on it, but even in a government shutdown you would get your social security benefit. host: pam from new york. democrats line. guest: good morning, pam. caller: i thought it was interesting to you criticize the senate for not voting on things, when you spent the first five

minutes dancing around how you will vote on this current issue, but that is not the reason i called. as a devoted democrat, yesterday i listen to john mccain on the himte floor, and i e-mailed a brief page it that i realized i was listening to a statesman and a patriot, and that he had my respect. the overall concern that americans had, even if they do not have every detail of what is going on, is that you guys, as republicans, have hijacked our democracy. democracy is supposed to count. majority rules. in knowinga back full well we would get obamacare. excuse me. obviously, a bill that they will have problems. why don't you concentrate on how you will fix the problems that arise in this supreme court- approved law, rather than

hijacking everything every couple of months, putting everyone on edge and the economy in a mess? guest: well, pam, i appreciate that. i do not dance very well. i am sorry you thought i was dancing around. it is hard for me to tell you how i am going to vote on something if i do not know what it is. that is just a problem. we have not hijacked anything. we live in a republic. we do not live in a democracy. we have a representative form of government. standpoint, at least you admit that this will does have a problem -- this bill does have problems. there are problems unveiling every day. as your speaker, nancy pelosi

said, we need to pass this to find out what his unit, and now the american -- what is in it, and now the american people are finding out. there are all kinds of consequences. i do not know how you can say we are hijacking this democracy, as we are not. we are listening to the american people. the american people have listened to this president, harry reid and others, and they have heard them say if you like your insurance, you can keep it. premiums are going to go down. all of the other things that have been said that are not true. i do not understand how you can say we are trying to hijack something when the american people have been lied to on a consistent basis by this president. i think you need to talk to him and to your leadership and to make sure that they are being honest with the american people. host: the caller brought up the

impact on the economy, and mark ,"ndi is quoted in "usa today talking about cutting the economy is expected growth rate by half or more. are you concerned about the economy with the government shutdown? has anevery economist opinion, but let me say this, economic growth has not been very good, so if you can take some of the things we are trying to, especially with the debt ceiling, it would make the economy grow more. i do not know how much clearer i could be. i do not think our leadership, i do not think democrats want government to shut down, we're just trying to find a place we can agree on. the senate has not passed any appropriations bill on the floor of the senate. what we are trying to do is work

together, come together to do something to give us some time to work on our budgets, work on our appropriations bills, and put them all together. host: and that starts with defunding the affordable care act, or are there other issues as well? guest: it starts with having acr -- a cr. we have to get to that point. our intention is to bring the public in on the issues the -- we are facing. you talk about a drag on the economy, health care is 16% of our economy, and it is fixing to skyrocket. people are not going to be happy. if you want to talk about the drag on the economy, let's talk about what kind of impact obamacare is going to have on the economy. host: our guest, lynn westmoreland, here until 8:30

a.m. florida. caller: thank you for having me. lynn westmoreland, i want to thank you for a job well done after scrutiny from a lot of emotional democrats. i think we need to remember what happened in the house a week ago, a bipartisan group to funding tornment december 15, but defund obamacare. but remember that before democrats say the republican party is looking to shut down the government had the house has done what it is supposed to do. speaker john maynard made it clear that it is -- speaker john boehner has made it clear that it is now in the hands of the senate. saying the republican party is looking to shut down the

government, it is on america, and it is accusing the republican party of domestic terrorism. how can we operate without a government? we need to get our emotions in try toefore we go and make these factual assertions that are not true about the republican party. we love america just as much as anybody else. we just so happen to be more concerned about fiscal america right now and making sure that we secured a good, standing economy, so our children and grandchildren can have something to look forward to. guest: you are exactly right. thisis not about generation. it is about my children's generation, and my grandchildren's generation, and there children's generation. we have to look at where our deficit is and where our that is. -- debt is.

i am 63. i am not going to end up paying off this debt. my grad -- my grandkids, or great grandkids are going to pay for what we have done, and we do not just need to be enjoying today. we need to think about the future. that is what we are trying to do. i think you bring up an excellent point. we do not want the government shutdown. it was a bipartisan vote. we have had 22 democrats voting for us to delay the individual mandate for a year. 22 said we need to delay this for a year. we are working hard to do it. we are trying to get our message out there. as he said, there are a lot of people angry right now. host: charlotte from knoxville, tennessee, independent line. caller: hello had -- hello. my comment is why is it every

time something happens, republicans are blamed for it, and democrats look like they are the greatest thing since peanut butter, but they do not do anything. i think there should be a term limit for you people. you get up there, and you are living off of us. this is the united states of america. not all youpeople, whiny people up there complaining about everything. do what is right for the people of these united states, not for your little group. do what is right for the people. that is what i have to say. nobody cares about the people. they are too busy carrying about themselves. thank you. guest: charlotte, thank you. we do care about the people. that is the reason we are working so hard because we do care about the people. you know, we do get a lot of the blame because we are trying to

do what is right, and sometimes doing what is right is not the easiest thing to do. what -- you know, it is just not easy sometimes to do what is right because sometimes that means correcting something that has gone wrong or is being abused, and any time you take something away from somebody, that gets bad. when you start giving people stuff, then they like that, so we do get a lot of reps because we do think there has been a lot , and things that should not be going on. so, we're working hard to do that, and charlotte, i am sorry that you think we are being selfish up here and just looking after the group of here, because we are not. we are looking after the american people. host: what did you think of

santa ted cruz on the senate floor this week? for 21i think he spoke hours and nine minutes, the third longest speech on the senate floor, and i think he was standing on principle. i think the american people, whether they like ted cruz or like someone who is going to stand on principle, much like rand paul did in his 13-our episode. hour episode.- that is what people want to see, people willing to stand on principle, and sometimes members of congress do it is politically correct rather than what is right. sometimes it is hard to get these guys and girls to do what is right when they think it is

going to cause them to have a primary or some kind of election, and that is a problem. that is the reason i think the leadership needs to get everybody out from under their skirts and make them vote on these tough issues so their constituents can know how they really feel on them. greg in virginia is on our democrat line. seek up thank you for taking -- caller: you are for taking my call. guest: hi, greg. meant: earlier when you -- when you mentioned the deficit -- the budget numbers and how obama cut it in half and all of that -- guest: that was the deficit. caller: right. theime we talk about deficit and the debt, i do remember when we had president bush in office, we had the war , andoff of the books

congress never said anything about that, and that debacle in iraq, we never knew how much money we wasted, far less important that the young men and women that gave their lives in that unfortunate mistake. it is really hard. you guys have muddied the waters on every issue. truthfully, you have to admit that since obama came into office, the republican party has tried to stop anything. on the epa, you have totally muddied the waters and put out misinformation constantly and it is difficult to get the facts. believe whato reinforces what their beliefs already are. they will not want to listen to what the facts are, if they do not line up, and our country is getting worse and worse on that.

also, i would say there are a lot of very strong special interest, -- for instance, the insurance companies having to use 80% of their money for the actual care of the individuals. they do not like that. i think a lot of this has to do with campaign contributions that congress takes from insurance companies. that is what it gets down to. we all know that. guest: let me tell you, insurance companies are making out like a bandit on this in my opinion. i think the insurance companies really supported the affordable care act or obamacare, and you talk about muddying the waters. let me get this straight. you say we are muddying the waters when this president's come out and said when you like your insurance, you can keep it.

he told the two seniors, all americans, and then he said your premiums are going to come down. ok, that is not true. you talk about muddying the waters, and it was nothing but a sales pitch to try to sell this, and look, this president to go is to go to a -- this go to at's goal is to single-payer system, and that is where he is driving this train. we are driving it off of the edge. we will not know the great medical care we have had in this country because we are fixing to be under this socialist medicine, and i hate to say that, but that is what the truth is. do not tell me we are muddying the water, because we are not here the american people have .een -- not the american people have been lied to by this president, and they are tired of it. we hear every day.

i can give you e-mail after e- mail i get from my constituents talking about what obamacare, when it is implemented, is going to do to their lives and their health care. so, i am sorry if you think we have been muddying the waters. host: here is cap the from new york on our republican line. kathy from new york on our republican line. a couple ofve comments. age oftwo sans under the 30, and both of them carry --astrophic life churns, health insurance, and for you listeners who do not understand what that is, it is a high deductible, and the insurance kicks in when you have something catastrophic happened to you like getting hit by a bus, or chopping your hand off. that is perfectly acceptable for their age. they are completely healthy, and

in the event of something terrible happening to them, they will be covered after both of them have a $10,000 deductible. guest: right. caller: so, what i want to tell you is obamacare wipes that insurance out. it just wipes it out. instead, they are going to be fluke'sfor sandra birth control. they will be charged for all kinds of insurance remedies that do not pertain to them. i would like to tell the people listening to this row graham under the age of -- program under the age of 30,@they are being sold a horrible bill of goods -- that they are being sold a horrible bill of goods. the other thing i would like to say is i am completely nauseated

by the fact that the congress and the staffers have been given obamacare, and that the taxpayers of the united states of america will continue congress and staffers health insurance premiums. host: thank you, caller. guest: you are exactly right, we that is something, kathy, are going to address in some form, whether it is on the cr or the debt ceiling, is what this administration had opm do as far as giving that exception. now, we think it should go to executiveive ranch -- branch. we should make sure they do not get the subsidy and the political appointees, because they are exempt from this, too. we want to make sure that this,

along with us, because we know we should be under the same laws as every american, a we also think the administration, and thee ranch, political appointees need to be under it like every american is, too, so we are certainly going to push for that. you are exactly right. healthy, young person, and you have health savings accounts, which we think need to be holstered, increased -- bolstered, increased about while basically this president has said you cannot use them for certain things -- over-the- counter drugs and so forth, so it really limits the health savings account. -- decreases what you can actually do in your pretax dollar. we need to bolster that. your two sans our healthy young men that are going to be paying

are healthysons young men that are going to be paying premiums to cover other people. we are trying to put everyone in and everybody else the same. everybody else does not live the same lifestyle. going toe that do are be paying for the people that do not. kathy,is a real problem, and we are going to try to do everything we can to address it, and i think we are doing everything we can. forward,the waivers go will you take up your self and your staff? guest: i do not have federal health insurance, so it does not really affect me, but i think that is something the american people are going to demand. host: what about your staff?

law.: well, no, it is the if we repeal it, they will not get it. what a lot of people do not understand is we are under -- members of congress and the staff are under obamacare. what they change the world were -- what they changed the rules were -- what the rules set is if you are on an exchange, you cannot get a subsidy, so opm says we are going to change that and say you can, but they are not doing that for the private sector. the private sector cannot do that. if they have an employee go on an exchange rather than company health insurance, then they can not pay the subsidy, so they are giving us that exception. we need to say well, he we cannot -- you cannot do it, or let the private companies do

that. we are definitely going to bring that up for a vote. i think you can see that as it comes, and i think it will include the executive branch and the political appointees also. and, if you look at the labor unions, this is one of the big problems they have in the fact going to is really destroy their health care plans. if you look at some of the trade unions that i have talked to, five dollarsuch as five --.65 an hour, -- five dollars $.50, $5.65 an hour for health care. hoffa has told the president we need an exception. there have already been about

1200 exceptions or waivers that have already been given. he has given those to his friends and supporters, and other groups, but he has so far yet to give it to the labor unions. host: here is the last call from alex in florida. independent line. seek out how are you -- caller: how are you doing? guest: i am doing fine, alex, how are you doing. caller: good. i have a question, but i need to make a comment on something you said. i am an independent. this is something that keeps popping up when i am watching c- span. republicans keep claiming that this is something socialist. i have read marx and engels and i know all about shabbos, and to claim that anything coming from obama is coming -- is socialist is an insult to socialist. i'm sorry, but it is true.

guest: have you ever read a linsky? you need to read about saul a linsky. host: we are running short. seek help i'm sorry, -- caller: i'm sorry, i had to make that point. know, in the eyes of the republicans, how do you think shutting down the government would, in the long- term, benefit the american people? all, toell, first of think i have tried to make it perfectly clear that we do not want to shut down the government. we do not want to do that. and that is what we are trying to keep from happening. -- weat we have got to do have to do what we think is necessary for the american people to be in a much better situation. we do not want to shut the government down.

i think this president, harry reid and nancy pelosi want to see the government shutdown because they know republicans will get the blame. to shut it down. if this government shutdown, it will be on them. host: representative lynn westmoreland, republican from georgia, thank you for your time. guest: thank you. host: we continue our conversation with jan schakowsky of illinois, and then charles clark will talk about what will be affected directly if the government shutdown. we will have those segments, the first an update from the c-span radio. soyuz capsule carrying three astronauts has docked with the international space station. michael hopkins of the united states, along with two russians, traveled six hours in the capsule before linking up with this playstation -- the space

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series mondayr with first lady florence harding. "washington journal" continues. host: joining us to continue the conversation from capitol hill, representative jan schakowsky, chief deputy whip, and a member of the energy and commerce committee. july for joining us. guest: my pleasure. the: what you think likelihood of a government shutdown is? guest: i heard lynn westmoreland say they did not want to, but it is my way or the highway, they say, and they are willing to do a shutdown, which would be disastrous for this country. it hundred thousand federal jobs are at stake. let me tell you what happened the last time -- no new patients at the national institutes of health. disease control

stopped monitoring for diseases. , museums, and monuments shutdown. 7 million visitors were affected. 400,000 new medicare beneficiaries trying to shut -- sign up founded was delayed. 200,000 passports were held up. the american people would feel a shutdown. it would be a disaster, and even karl rove and the wall street journal and all of the people aresane saying do not do this. host: we have been talking to people about the bill heading to senate with conditions attached. guest: absolutely. the idea of not paying the bills

for the united states of america that have already been approved by the united states congress -- just the threat in 2011 of not paying the bills, of default theme, resulted in a 2000 point drop in the stock market. 401(k)s and people's retirement will be put in danger. it will throw this country into a recession. again, it is about obamacare. i understand it is about the keystone pipeline attached. some other things are attached. what is this about? i have never seen this before. john dingell, the longest- serving member of congress, he says he has never seen this before -- these kinds of threats, the willingness to country, our economy, and even the world economy down -- i do not understand it. i think it has crossed over into

the completely irrational, if not the insane. host: our guest is with us. askou want to ask asked -- a question we understand, representative schakowsky, you met with the white house chief of staff. what was the message from him? guest: the message was there was no negotiation on the debt ceiling. we met with harry reid as well. they are going to pass a bill that takes out the defunding of obamacare, and taking out this we shut the, if government down, we are going to pay china first rather than making sure we get social out, medicares payments out, and that is going to be stripped from the legislation. they are going to send it back to the house, and we will see. tribune"e chicago

talks about the insurance rates some in illinois will pay. a single 30-year-old in cook county will be able to buy coverage for as little as $60 a month. the design of schakowsky, not event -- now that the figures are out, -- representative schakowsky, and that the figures are all, you concerned about their sustainability over the long term? guest: absolutely not. the congressional budget office said passing obamacare would save about $1 trillion over the next decade because finally we would have a regular and sensible health care system even with everybody covered. in illinois, we saw those rates. we call it get covered illinois. peoplee 1.6 million more having insurance, and the rates at 20% less than predicted, so we are very happy. host: bill, houston, texas. democrats find. you are on with jan schakowsky.

caller: good morning. why bothike to ask members of congress cannot come together on the issue of building seven in 9/11 and the evidence that it was destroyed. is thei am sorry, what quest -- what is the most important thing? had -- havingbeen organizers talk about the building seven. guest: i'm sorry, i do not understand the question. host: we will go to a caller. georgia. caller: talking about speaker john boehner, he cannot get things up to a vote.

he has to check with people before he can do anything. they have destroyed the republican party. anm turned out to be independent now, and soon to be a democrat. lives about --ny they tell so many lies about this insurance. there's plenty of good unit. i have a son that does not have insurance, and he picks up every little job he can. talk about jobs. that is what we need to be talking about, things to get the country back going. there is a lot of obstruction. guest: i could not agree more. we need to focus on putting people back to work. there are some people who have been without health insurance whatuch a long time for

reason -- they cannot afford to obamacare, now, with and the subsidies people can get, they're going to be able, finally, we're going to be a healthier country, a better country. regarding this kind of hostage- taking, john boehner, look, he has been around a long time, long enough to remember we defined our job as legislators as people who may fight across party lines, but at the end of the day, we sit down and we bang out a compromise, come up with an agreement that moves the country forward. nobody is happy with everything, but nobody is disappointed with everything. the democrats are ready to do it, but we now have a small group of republicans, tea party people and some others, at saying no, we are not here to compromise. we do not like government, we want to thin government down, and we're willing to do that if

we do not get our way. i do not understand that. this is new. that is different. host: that was many -- that was many from new jersey. is lucy from kentucky. caller: i want to make a point that mr. westmoreland said earlier. plan, they get the insurance from the same company. the only people getting cut off our spouses that are offered insurance to their own job. it will still cover the employee of ups. i have read all of the information. i see what it is. yes, it has gone up a little bit, and some things will be taken out of the plan, but not much. another point i would like to note is i am on medicare.

i have a medicare advantage plan, and my opinion is did go up. can you explain that to me -- my premiums did go up. can you explain that to me? i'll have my wellness visit, and i will have to pay $50 for it. this year it was free. when you are on a fixed income, our opinion should not be going up. thank you. guest: i know that the premiums for medicare itself have actually dropped, and the life of medicare has been expanded for 10 years. the wellness visit is a preventive visit. they cannot charge you out-of- pocket costs or that. -- for that. if they are saying you do not get that under medicare, that is not correct. that is a preventive service by

getting mammograms or diabetes screening or cancer screening that no longer will require a copayment, any kind of out-of- pocket payment, so i do not know what your insurance plan is telling you. your supplemental. i am not aware of the supplementals -- i want to check that out, to medicare going up. there should not be any reason for that because medicare is actually covering more things now. the only thing we have done to your basic medicare is make it better, so i will check that out. host: we have a viewer asking about doctors in illinois and if they would be willing to accept new medicaid patients, adding that payment backlog to providers is over six months. medicaid, theng federal government is paying all the costs for two years of expanding the medicaid program,

100% -- what a great deal. it is amazing to me that some of the governors have actually turned down that opportunity. so, we are very excited that a lot of people who have been unable to get any health insurance at all are now eligible for medicaid, and, in fact, unicode connie, we have -- and, in fact, in cook county, the expansion has been going on for almost one year. people in illinois who have not been eligible for medicaid ought to check it out, and that is 100% paid for by the federal government and so, yes, we will see doctors that will be accepting the new leaks landed -- that will be accepting the newly expanded medicaid. , north carolina. caller: i am a nurse and i work at two hospitals, and i was

wondering about the rationing of , and i amlderly folks worried -- these free programs, they are not free. the citizens are paying for these. taxpayers are paying for this. and there is money for china. myths there are a lot of going around about how elderly patients under obamacare will not be eligible. i was at a senior meeting and i a true at as of is certain age i will not be able to get certain procedures? not true. not true. medicare is not effective at all access tof limiting procedures. the same ability to getting the replacement or heart surgery is going to be available to medicare patients, and, as i

said, they are going to get additional preventive services without any out-of-pocket costs. i do not know what free programs you are talking about, but obamacare works with the private sector through private insurance companies. there will be subsidies to help lower income people, and actually, not just low income people. they will be subsidies for a family of four earning up to $94,000 to help them get the insurance they need for their families. because we are going to deliver care more efficiently, we are going to be able to, yes, save money. this is not going to be a drain. obamacare, a retail the congressional budget office says -- repeal obamacare, the congressional buffett says -- budget office says that will add to the deficit. host: we have a viewer asking

how many people will sign up for exchanges to work, and what will the costs to stay state be in the out years? guest: we have 1.6 million uninsured people. we are hoping to get them insured. we know people will sign up because we have seen that already with county care. they met their goal of 100,000 new people signing up for county care way before it was expected that they would be able to do it . so, there is a hunger to be able to sign up for obamacare, for -- getw insurance covered illinois -- i love that name. we are expecting that this is not going to add to the budget deficit of the state of illinois because it is a private plan. the federal government offers the subsidies and the medicaid expansion.

host: our guest serves on the energy and, -- commerce committee, and fred upton responded about the weights, saying he was wary about the figures, saying they were using creative arithmetic. just not true. what we are finding from the republicans, i think, in this desperate, lastgasp attempt to fear comemacare, the a not that it will not work, but the fear that it will work but i want to predict that in a year or two, we are going to see this program been so popular that people are going to sign up, and why not? the idea of 100 29 million people with pre-existing

conditions in this country -- 129 million people with pre- existing conditions in this country will have this worry lifted off of the shoulder that either they will not be able to get insurance at all, or that they will have to pay such exorbitant prices for insurance that it will jeopardize their family budget -- this is a blessing to our country. we're going to be able to let people get the insurance they needed. children that are born with pre- existing additions, already under obamacare, they cannot be refused insurance. conditions, already under obamacare, they cannot be refused insurance. being a woman has been rated as a pre-existing condition. we are charge more for pregnancy and maternity care. that ends. that is over. it is such a great thing, and that is what republicans are afraid of. host: nikkei up next in new

jersey. independent line. caller: good morning. is this hill the same one that was sent to the supreme court? the same one that was sent to the supreme court because i see the waivers. was that given to the supreme court? guest: yes. the waivers were built into the legislation and this is the legislation that went to the supreme court. new, this is a massive, program, that is going to ensure 25 million more americans. it is not a surprise we're going to find glitches along the way, but right now we do not have a partner on the republican side of the aisle that will help fix that. d, thedicare part pharmaceutical plan, a lot of democrats did not like the plan because it prohibited medicare

from actually negotiating with the pharmaceutical companies for lower prices come as the veterans administration does, but when it passed, we went to , as the veterans administration does, but when it .assed, we worked we do not have that now. we have republicans telling constituents they should not sign up, they will not get help from their offices, and i think that is political malpractice. we need to be working together to make this thing work, and to get people the health care that they so desperately need. the waivers were part of it. host: representative, if someone takes an insurance plan from the exchanges, how much flexibility will they have to choose their health care provider? illinois, one of the ways you can choose what plan you want is to put in the name of your health care provider,

and find out what plan they are associated with. that will betool up on our website that starts next tuesday, that is going to be very helpful. i do not know how many states are doing that kind of thing. people will be able to -- if that is their main priority, first, search for that provider, and then figure out what plan the provider is in. i think that will be helpful. host: does that assume the provider might not participate in some of the lower level two years as opposed to the higher- level tears? guest: i do not know that. of the doctors that are in a particular plan, whether it will be the bronze level, or the silver, gold or the platinum, the only question is how much they will have to pay as copayments. i think once the doctors agreed to sign up with a plan, they

will participate at all levels. host: rich joins us from madison, tennessee. good morning. caller: good morning, representative. the morning, pedro. how are you all this morning? host: find. go ahead, sir. caller: i have two issues. of theernment shutdowns 1990's, they are what made me a dedicated democrat. i realize the games being played in congress, and those continued until the 2006 elections. the idea of shutting down the government over something like this is asinine. it to the attribute fact that we have had this rise of a radical tea party as a third-party, not part of the republican party, but as a third-party, actually, that are

giving us the problems that we are getting now. nothing productive is being done in congress, and things like this coming up. the second point is on insurance. n.am retired r i worked in the emergency room. i saw how many people came in without insurance with minor problems that the rest of us had to bear that had health insurance. and paid the premiums. on car insurance, i have to pay for uninsured motorists because about half the accident in tennessee involved uninsured motorist. so, the fellow that was on her previously, the congressman from george -- the fellow that was on previously, the congressman from georgia, said people would have unhealthy lifestyles and cause us to pay more.

would allin tennessee buy liability insurance, i would not have to pay as much for mine and i would not have to pay for uninsured motorists insurance. host: caller, thank you. you tell it is also true that every insured person -- guest: it is also true that every insured person pays about $1000 more a year on their insurance to cover people that do not have health insurance. if people think they are not paying now, just like with the car, having to pay for uninsured motorists, you are doing it already. i agree with him, too, this idea of shutting down the government ourhrowing our country and families in our country into economic turmoil, throwing the markets off, and don't think the markets do not affect you if you have a 401(k) or any kind of a pension plan -- this will drive down the value of your retirement. it is just crazy.

think threatening that, just threatening that, it is a great danger. "the wall street journal" has said really what the republicans are going to accomplish is in electing a democratic majority. i know they do not want to do that. they have to think again about what they are plotting to do. next from is up noblesville, indiana. republicans line. caller: good morning. guest: good morning. caller: i just wanted you to explain to the people that are about ready to lose their jobs because of this health care plan , they announced on our local news that it hundred people were going to lose their jobs -- 800 people were going to lose their jobs, so can you explain to those people that are going to lose their job because of their health care plan? thank you.

guest: i cannot imagine why, when we are going to be adding people to the health care system , people that are going to be insured -- in other words, hospitals are not going to have people walking in the door that can not pay for the care that they are getting -- why there would be predictions that those people would lose their jobs. there are all kinds of myths. there might be some people who can now retire, they can -- they do not have to work to get a health care policy because they will be able to afford a health care policy on their own, or they will be able to get better health care coverage now, they may decide to retire, or leave their job, and look for another one because they have been locked in their job just in order to get the health insurance. it is a mystery to me. we have great support from the hospital associations for

obamacare because they see the advantage of people actually being able to come into a hospital and pay for the care that they are going to get. schakowsky,entative when it comes to the c.r., what you think about the spending level, especially when it relates to sequestration? guest: even republicans have said how terrible sequestration as. we have seen major cuts in that program. that number is too low. the president has said that number is too low. whether it is in this round of votes or votes upcoming, we will have to raise the level if we want to be able to maintain the level of services that the american people really need, and i am not just talking about people that are -- we are talking about being able to build the roads and fly the airplane's, and do all the things that we need to do as a country.

we cannot live at that low, low level. see how it rolls out, and what time frame we are going to actually deal with way better low number. you think you will deal with it as far as time frames are concerned? guest: the senate is going to pass a bill that includes the number and send it to the house. we are caucusing right now on what to do about the low number, and we will see. are republicans going to sit down and work out an agreement with us? we're are still hopeful we can raise that number. host: here is mary. she did. independent line. see, this is -- caller:. this is very. how are you this morning? guest: i am good, mary. that is my daughter's name. i love it. michigan have been in since the 1960's, when i was a

teenager, and i know for a fact that people from canada have been coming to the state because there is a long line due to their health care system. feel that the endgame is going to be the endgame, which is going to be socialist medicine. i have been to australia. i have seen on their news, a young man from great britain in , he has cancer. he had a drug that he was getting that was working for his

body. he was eventually denied that drug because they said the value because there is no guarantee that he is going to live. there is no guarantee any of us are going to live. we could go tomorrow and get hit by a bus. we count on our health care to take care of us in these -- when these things happen. not on some bean counter telling us that our life is not worth the cost of the drug. guest: the good news for canadians is that when they come to the united states to get a service, the health -- the canadian health care system pays for it. it is not because they are flooding across the border that the health care system says you need this, you need it right now. we are going to send you to the united states and we are going to pay for it. i also want to say, there are

people -- you say you do not want to wait in line. it are people that wait in line right now for their health care. try and get an appointment. i tried to get an appointment and oftenrmatologist it is months away. there are 30 million americans who are in a line that never ends because they cannot afford to get health care insurance. i want to assure you this is not about rationing of care. as is about expanding care to more people. if you have your health insurance and you are getting good care, you are going to get it right now. this does not change. the people that have good health insurance right now -- it is going to meet people that have been waiting in a line to get the health care, right now we do ration health care. the ration care -- card is dollar bill. if you don't have it, you do not get it. that is why poor people die at than wealthye

people. we want to even it out. this is not a threat to your health care. this is good for your neighbor who cannot afford it right now. host: if the senate sends back a clean bill, is there an expectation that the house speaker will attach something to it and send it back? guest: that is what i am thinking right now. i heard there may be in the house, a one-week extension of a clean, continuing resolution to send it back to the senate and try to buy another week while the republican conference tries to figure out its game plan. everything is up in the air. host: that is representative jan schakowsky. thank you for your time. we will continue on with calls concerning what is happening in congress this week along with the spending bills and issues

that are in the paper this morning. we will talk about what the latest news as far as what is happening on capitol hill. we invite you to continue on with your calls and comments. (202)one lines will be 585-3880 four democrats. (202) 585-3881 for republicans. (202) 585-3882 for independents. you can also tweak us. louisiana, democrats line, and john is up first. my questions would be -- if the obamacare is going to be such a great program, why are so many waivers being issued out to larger corporations, also waivers for congress and why do we continually have the fight going on with all of the issues without a whole lot ofeople

knowing the answers to what is actually in obamacare? here is carlos, port st. lucie, republican line. caller: my question is for the representative that was on before. she is a good salesperson. this were 2700 pages of law, did she read it all? she sounds like she is 100% behind it. i heard there was another 2000 pages added to this. my second question -- nancy pelosi says it has to pass before we know what is in it. how did she know what is in it before nancy pelosi? thank you. diane, almanac, michigan. independent line. caller: i feel that obamacare .hould be unfunded if it requires a government shutdown, so be it. as far as i am concerned, health-care reform starts with

the equitable fairness in pricing. i am a single mom of one child ,nd i pay a family program which costs more than two single plans. i am same -- i am paying the same amount as octomom. obamacare does not address this. defunded and if it means a government shutdown, so be it. host: we will continue taking your calls. to get the latest information, we introduce shane goldmacher. thank you for joining us. on the senate side, tell us about the timetable in the days ahead. we are looking at a conclusion that we know is going to happen. the senate is going to take this continuing resolution, strip out the language that the funds the

president's health-care law and they're going to ship it back to the house. they're going to do it over the next couple of days. the vote could be moved from friday. they should be sending a measure back to the house and the next big question is what does speaker boehner do. ? does he approve it or does he try to insert new goodies back in that his republicans are going to want? goodies such as what? they're getting together at 9:00 a.m. to consider what their next step is. the speaker said what he wants to do is redraw the battle line. he wants to not fight over this continuing resolution, avoid a government shutdown, and fight over the debt limit. that is only a couple of weeks away in mid-october. if they're going to insert some goodies, it could be about obamacare, other priorities. host: talk about the new

strategy that was real -- revealed in the newspaper. this bill concerning the debt limit -- what is going to be attached to it? guest: what the speaker is trying to get his members to rally around is to accept something they do not want to do -- increase the debt limit. it includes a one-year delay of the health-care law, the approval of a keystone pipeline, invite -- environmentalists despise this project. it would include all kinds of things. why choose the debt limit for this kind of legislation? caller: polling shows that -- guest: polling shows that americans don't want to see the fight over a wall that has already passed. -- it has never

happened before. america has never hit the debt limit and not increase it. is weould happen if we do would default on paying our bills. it would be the first of our kind. it could have a major impact on financial markets. the speaker says let's have the fight on this issue. we are not going to win ofitically on the shutdown the government. we might on the debt limit. host: if it goes forward, do you think this will extend as far as the legislative fight is concerned to october 17? guest: absolutely. two major fiscal showdowns and whether the lawmakers and white house wants them blended together, they are blending at this point. one fight happening after each other. there is talk that the republicans could extend the funding for the government for a single week. that would bring us closer together. one big fight coming up in the next coming weeks.

host: we will continue on with our calls. carol, good morning. mount vernon, illinois, democrats line. i would like to know if obamacare is supposed to be helping so many people, how come my company has made everybody part-time so they don't have to carry insurance that we used to --e before westmark host: used to have before? guest: it is being brought up by members of ingres's, by members of the public. one more example is trader joe's. saying you have to find health-care on the health-care exchanges. they are giving these employees a little extra money and saying this is going to be a good eel for you. cuttingline is they are their employees health care.

say the kinks are going to have to be worked out. it is going to work. host: alabama, republican line, betty, go ahead. i am not a supporter of obamacare, but my grandmother received a letter and in her letter it said she can only receive up to five prescriptions. differentseveral medications, for her heart, her blood pressure, and several different things. it would include and covers things such as hiv and seizures. has to do withg impact on the american people. it goes back to what carol was talking about. as far as jobs, where i live, businesses and even our board of education, the education

department is coveted -- cutting for to 30 hours a week substitutes. there taking people that work full-time and putting them to part-time, due to obamacare that is coming up. it is affecting us all the way around from businesses to education. host: that is betty and alabama. this is carolyn in texas, independent line. you are on, go ahead. caller: if it comes from texas, be wary. the only people in texas that the 1%. prospering are remember your history. cameushes -- the bush's from texas. ted cruz comes from texas. i apologize to the rest of the nation because the tea party in texas is very well-funded and we

-- we do not have the money to support the right causes. we are poorly educated because of it. i want to apologize. if it comes from texas, do not believe it. ted cruz affect on all of these negotiations? guest: is going to have an impact on -- here. ralliedhas done is conservative republicans all across the country and added a lot of pressure on the republican party to stand up and fight over this obamacare and to threaten to defund the government. a lot of people do not want to have this fight over this issue and he has forced them into it. reason of why of there is a fight in the

republican party about his aggressive posture. host: we saw the release of these rates among the state exchanges. was an interesting dichotomy. straightwas on for 21 hours. if he looks at local papers across the country, there are stories about the rates and they were pretty good about these health-care -- about this health-care law. this is going to be a key indicator whether countries -- companies eliminate jobs. what is the actual cost of insurance under this new system? marla from omaha, nebraska. democrats line. i was watching rachel on cnn -- nbc. a senator, or a

congresswoman who was republican she was going to ask the congress if they were willing to wages also.r to make a bill that they would lose their wages while we had to wait for our wages to come through. how will members of congress be affected if shutdown occurs? guest: this is the playing with fire of a government shutdown. there are hundreds of thousands of federal employees. if the federal government shuts down, everybody deemed nonessential does not get a paycheck. they get back pay, but there is no guarantee they will receive it.

congress be able to collect their own paychecks during that time. ? to -- e're talking where some of the debt limit was put into place by the treasury department. if you want to call, the numbers will be on your screen. frank. rank, -- here is with $17 trillion worth of debt, what has the government done right so far? i would like to exercise my to exerciseal right the right of choice. i choose shutdown. they do not do anything right. nothing. they can't even run the post office. how can you run a country? shane goldmacher, public perception of what is going on. we filed a $17 trillion

-- filed up $17 trillion worth are spending money on things that are not working. it is not authorizing new spending, it is authorizing paying for bills we have already incurred. did two yearsns ago, they drew a line saying we needed extra spending cuts in order to raise this limit. they are talking about the health-care law, change in the this keystone -- pipeline. host: is this a strategy you have heard about being in play before? guest: john boehner wants to move a bill that increases the --t limit through a a house through a house with a

republican vote. he is going to try to get them to side with him and do that. in order to do that, he is going to have to give them things they are looking forward to. that is the whole laundry list of republican ideas. host: is this a tea party caucus is this a tea party caucus? only lose about 70 members of his congress in order to get there. 17 members of his congress in order to get there. he needs everybody to get that bill through his house so he feels he has a better negotiating chance with the senate. mine is a combination of comment and question. a lot of the politicians go emoting the aca. they never mention the co-pay or

-- deductible or the highest some people will have to pay a higher tax -- for medicare and medicaid. do they do that because they do not know the true cost or they do not want us to know the true cost? guest: i think when you talk about what are the costs going to be of this new health-care law, it is going to be a challenge. health care is not free. even at the cheap and, the administration says -- even at the cheap end, the administration says it is not going to be affordable for some people. it is a challenge for people living close to the edge. democrats terms to mention the health care is not free. they just say the government is footing the bill. you get a combination of things that are not reflecting reality. one more call from kansas,

and david. -- kansas, david. people that say their prices are going to go up, i work for a company that makes good money and they paid big money to help our employees have good insurance cover and -- coverage. i have health insurance, dental, for $28r $20 -- and eye a week. just for me. the companies that are making the money, they are going to take care of their employees just like they did with the company i work for peer -- the company i worked for. going to keep taking care of their employees that are

making all that money. you are talking about employer-sponsored health care, that is what 70% of the country has. if you have your health care plan, it is not going to change. now you hear about companies cutting hours and making people part-time, it is changing. the vast majority of americans, if you have health insurance through your company, you will continue to have health insurance through them. host: what are you watching out for today? guest: the republican meeting that is happening this morning. let's draw the line and fight over the debt limit. he wants to avoid a show -- a government shutdown. anything the house of willsentatives does precipitate at least a short term government shutdown. host: shame shame -- shane goldmacher.

thank you for your time. we will take a look at the actual functions of government that will be directly affected if a government shutdown take place. charles s clark will join us for that discussion. we will get a news update from c-span radio. there is some economic news. jobless numbers in this hour from the labor department show applications for the benefit falling to just over 300,000. that is near the lowest level in nearly six years. very few companies are laying off workers. the commerce department says the %.s. economy grew at a 2.5 rate. that is unchanged from a previous estimate. economists worry that growth may be growing to a sluggish rate. this headline from "the wall u.s. running out

of cash. the government will be left with $30 billion of cash on hand no later than october 17. officesional budget estimates these funds will be used up by october 22 if the legislation isn't and acted -- debted, raising the ceiling limit. we will hear more from the congressional budget office this morning when its director testifies before the house budget committee on the long- term economic outlook for the next 25 years. hearing. shares the it starts at 10:00 a.m. eastern time. you can watch it live on c-span3 or online at c-span.org. those are some of the latest headlines on c-span radio. since 1990 eight, booktv has

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on monday. a few others our meeting this morning. discussionsf those is whether an employee is essential or not? guest: yes. it is sensitive in terms of the polls -- people's pride. thousands of people, civilians in the defense department for example, a lot of the agencies had hugeand commerce chunks of people that would not be working at the government shutdown. joining uses clark to talk about the specific issues. four democrats. (202) 585-3881 for republicans.

(202) 585-3882 for independents. walk us through day one if a shutdown happens. a lot of communication can be done electronically. they should have the drill prepare this week. everybody knows it is midnight, monday night, by the time people wake up on tuesday morning, they should already have their plan of attack. it is interesting that two years ago, president obama signed the bill later than midnight. there could be a few hours of christian time. if i am essential? i come in and take care of paperwork? guest: you do. the ones who stay home with like to be paid retroactively, but that is unclear. that depends on congress. host: if i am an employee and i

have vacation time, can i volunteer? guest: you cannot. this came up during the furlough issues. tried to substitute vacation. in theory, you are supposed to take your furlough and you are not supposed to do any work either. closeds far as what is should a shutdown take lace, here's a breakdown. about a hundred thousand federal civilian employees would be furloughed without pay. it would affect most federal government offices, include national parks, museums, and include things like visa and passport delays. those are the broad strokes. what are the details? people out of work are based on the lack of a current appropriation. a our long-term money funds --

are long-term money funds that take care of things like social security benefits that are not affected by the lapse in appropriation. public will see if they try to go to a national park, the washington monument is closed for repairs, that was a in 1995-1996ple shutdown. will be suspect -- subjected to long waits. things not affected our enforcement of the borders, immigration, social security checks, natural disaster lanning, air traffic controllers, anything that is related to safety is still in place. that is because of multiyear funding. if a government employee andurloughed without pay the shutdown lasts a week, will

they see that weeks loss of pay? be one of theuld issues congress is negotiating with the white house. congressional staff would be denied their pay, not the president, not the vice president, not the political and -- political appointees. to go backuld have to congress and work out how to put that payback? guest: retroactively, yes. host: william, democrats line. we are talking about what happens in the shutdown. caller: good morning. i am calling to -- the side that actually closed the country down, like they plan to do. if they do it, why are they still going to get paid? i don't understand why congress

is still going to get a check. they're going to get their check and other people would not. that is not fair at all. a lot of federal employees would agree with you. congress has suspended its own pay raise for the last few years. they are sensitive to it. they know it does not go well with their constituents. they could argue they are part of a solution to the problem. they need to be on the job. their staff is not getting paid. that is incentive for them to make progress. retired,ederal worker, joins us on the democratic line. joseph. good morning. to let you know that i was a civil service employee working at a veterans hospital in the 1990's when they shut down.

the nursing staff did not get their pay, but the administration and doctors and higher paid personnel did get their pay. the politicians got their pay. it was over a month before we got paid. i had a wife and small child to support. guest: that is a good anecdote. there is a similar issue with contractors. shutdown,last washington has been relying more on contractors. time unlessrough they have a multiyear contract. they could be shortchanged. the company chief has to decide how much of an investment he can make in paying his employees and whether or not he has to make adjustments. because of sequestration, people are ready for this. shock the waybig it might have been back in the mid-1990's. sequestrationd --

changes shutdown overall? guest: is part of the republicansand the consider the best way to cut federal spending. a lot of people say the low hanging fruit has already been cut airing the past nine months. past nine months. if the laws not changed, it continues for nine more years. members of the military, border control agents, air traffic controllers, air traffic tsa, they would remain on duty. omb sets up the definitions of the general -- epts in who is host: if you receive title and continue,they will

there is a possibility they will be slowed. the u.s. postal service and the federal reserve is open and this is because they have independent sources of funding. guest: a lot of those agencies from fees paidng by financial institutions. they are not subject to the 12 annual spending bills. that is new for the new consumer financial prevent -- protection bureau. host: veterans in hospitals with so receive care -- will still receive care. barbara is from iowa. republican line. caller: thank you. i have a way to fix it. when nancy pelosi said you have to pass it to find out what is and it? is full ofngton lawyers, why did they not read it?

why was there no tort reform in it? if you put tort reform in the health will, it will probably go away or be fixed. inc. you very much. -- thank you very much. was on the reform a help there, but it became so polarized that there was not a chance to amend the bill because amendmentsmany other that they wanted that the democrats could not stomach. host: linda, independent line. mississippi. caller: the democrats keep saying insurance rates are not going to go up. hours have gone up $150 per month. they are going up again next year. that is a myth. they talk about the

people out of work. when we had katrina and the government kept getting everybody fema money and rooms to stay and, there was a -- to stay in, there was a shorter's death shortage of workers. when they cut the fema money off, people started working again. it was amazing. health premiums vary by state. the massachusetts health care law that the federal law was based on, it did not see that the currenting from player provided health care that is making the headlines now. republicans want to make it an issue, but there are pointy of debating points to be made on it.

people are saying maybe we should wait and see how it unfolds. memberstional guard were furloughed, which shutdown be the same? debbie, democrats line. about howkeep hearing it is going to affect social security if it shuts down. what about the people on unemployment? get a little over $100 a week on unemployment. if this care law goes into effect, i am not going to be able to a for any health insurance. afford any health care insurance. are they going to be able to help me at all? -- a: élan urge part of --ge part of uninsured

there's a medicaid provision in the health-care law, but because of the way the supreme court ruled, it is optional for states. it depends on your state. int: we had a shutdown back november 1995. inhad a shutdown again december 1995. charles clarke, did we learn lessons about what happens when you have those long-running shut ? did people notice? time, peoplection were back to the basic issues. the polls, reviewing

in general, bill clinton came out ahead. the republicans were blamed more. the republican reputation recovered and bill clinton won the election in 1996 and republicans gained a couple of senate seats. budget andbalanced agreement to lay that out as a goal. no continuing was resolution. all 12 or 13 of the spending ills were enacted. bills were enacted. was another statistic -- we saw an overall cost of $1.4 billion. anst: i believe that is dollars from that. , about $2 billion. host: even though we stop

things, we still end up spending money. guest: there are a whole lot of delayed whose work is in long-term mining. there criticized a lot. makes all of those efforts a lot more difficult. host: ward, democrats line. you are on. know --i would like to the people want to know what is really going on, go to obamacare.com, scroll down to 107 and you people will want to know why you want your residence and your judicial -- we want your presidentnt and your judicial system impeached. and the united

states is required to have insurance because of us being infidels. does thed -- host: judiciary shut -- function during a shutdown? reducedhey will have a services. states and various their caseloads are all different. the judges are scrambling to keep certain functions going. they are hampered by short changes in staff and services. are almost at another supreme court session. will they be affected? guest: there is appropriations bill -- an appropriations bill, so they will have to make adjustments. we found out during the d.c. snowstorm a few years ago that the government works just

as well when people stay home. the services are not as dramatic as the washington monument or the national parks being open. whether you get your passport or not, this up -- the services are more concrete. mr. clark, you may have answered part of my question i was going to ask about the courts. --ffing, such as law courts law clerks, paralegals, secretaries. the prison would stay open. safety issues. there are cases that have deadlines. fiscal years are ending. when chief justice roberts gives his talk, he talks

about the budget. they are sensitive to annual appropriation. i think they will be chasing a bit if the government shuts down. host: default within the judicial system? you fall within the judicial system? yes.caller: host: how are you prepared for a government shutdown? more than the general guidance you have mentioned on the show. the specifics will be coming in shortly. host: let's hear from bobby and indiana -- in indiana. my -- i was thinking my insurance already changed over to that. it was one company and now it is into a another company.

a good while.it i am a retired teacher's aide. they have already put me over on that. i am retired from texas, not here. they have always looked out for me because my husband is deceased. do you think that is possible that i am already on it? guest: in the last three years, many insurance -- employers who pay for private insurance have altered their plans in preparation for the health-care law. the insurance exchanges are not health-care companies. they are a website you go to to examine what private companies are offering. you choose one whose plans suit your needs. haveis what your employers always had the right to do is

switch to a different insurance provider. are easing out of it. they are encouraging their employees to go onto the exchanges. it is going to boil down to whether the exchanges work well and overcome stigma. it seems a largely political fight stigmatizing this being second class. host: how many are deemed essential? all managers, those in higher ranks, being told stall -- stay home. guest: it depends on the agency. in education, huge swath of the people are nonessential, that would include managers. political employees, under secretaries, in most places they would be considered essential. host: mark, from michigan.

caller: thank you. thank you for c-span. this is my first time on c-span. iwas wondering about -- believe there is a line of corruption going on in washington with politicians money from corporations and foreign interests. i was wondering -- the people still getting paid during the government shutdown, would this be part of the corruption? you are referring to campaign contributions. i do not think foreign interests are allowed to give to our campaigns. or print in trysts -- corporate interests do. those,been debatable if contributions affect -- if those contributions affect the vote.

that will continue regardless of whether or not the government shuts down. host: mary, democrats line. caller:. i am a first-time caller. the ladyike to answer for my sister about her insurance premiums going up. they go up, not because of obamacare, they're going up because her company negotiates with her insurance company and signed another contract and her insurance rates go up because of the new contract. usually her benefits go down. our insurance through the company i work for goes up every year. it acts as my supplemental and my part b.

every year it goes up. every time they negotiate with blue cross. it is because of the new contract. the macro level, health care costs have been rising for decades. that is one of the big issues the affordable care act was intended to confront. some people think it is weak in that area. in the last two or three years, health-care costs have been rising more slowly. it is not necessarily attributable to what they call obamacare. oklahoma, independent line. billy, good morning. caller: john kerry, hillary clinton, and obama, they are all cousins. they need to be impeached, removed out of office.

what they're doing is treason against the united states. fromsurance has jumped up $400 to $500 a month. i am a veteran from 1991. i am a federal employee and i cannot afford it myself. it is ridiculous. it is going to go up higher. obama passed this as a no tax and there is a tax. there is a lie there. we know they are liars. they need to be removed from office. that is all i have to say. thank you. guest: that is out of my jurisdiction. says aboutsmith hearing predictions for the second or third time about a government shutdown that we know , does thishappen time seem different than the last? it depends on speaker boehner. he is concerned about losing his speakership.

he wants to placate the tea party faction in the house. probablyed cruz's talk drummed up some support among the republican base around the country. moreybe put a little pressure on, but it may have turned off a couple republican colleagues. senator alexander and mccain giving suggestions, among others. it is possible that they will punish next week and -- punnit next week week and move on to the debt ceiling. this whole fight may be postponed a couple of weeks. host: treasury affected by this? guest: fewer of their people. they have a lot of people considered essential. host: alexander, pennsylvania, republican line. caller: i have three items to

mention. before obama was elected, michelle is on record as having said she does not like this country. seeer two, when it's below going to realize that she is because of all of this by saying vote for it and we will read it later. if it is item is -- that good, how come the senators do not have to have it, but they can have their own without going through obamacare? the only point i would make on that is health-care mary's dramatic -- varies dramatically based on how much you are willing to pay or how much your employer is willing to pay. it is not equal. classess had a first- health care plan. the democrats argue that it is 32 40 million

to 40 million0 americans that don't have health care. if the shutdown takes place, is there a process? guest: the president signed an order that opm and it will go out this coming monday. caller: i would like to call meant on the general -- comment on the gentleman from georgia that may be erroneous statement about obama being a muslim. that refers to muslims being exempt from paying penalties, etc. --that is not the case.

it does say that there are a couple of people that are exempt. the ammonites, there is one other that eludes me. these people are not even in the mainstream of our system of paying taxes. muslims are not exempt from obamacare. this misinformation is on the internet. hopefully, people need to understand what is going on before they go out. host: george, san diego, independent line. george? i am retired, disabled 100%. is that going to exclude my benefits? you're talking your v.a. benefits? caller: my v.a. and my social

security. i am 100% disabled. a government shutdown would not deny you those checks. host: let's assume this comes and goes and if it goes into shutdown, what is the process and how does the government get back to life? there will be midnight talks. they used to talk about pizza being shipped in. it was easier in the earlier days to horse trade and do logrolling. people would sign up for provisions that they do not like that would help the process along. that has gotten harder. if it does shutdown. there is ato show

larger percentage of the public that would be willing to tolerate that. it is still not a majority. once a deal is reached, it has to be a three-way deal. thepresident does not have veto power to nullify. they have to have house, senate, and white house on the same page. new order would go out that everybody returns. host: the next day, everything goes back to normal? guest: i am sure there are some delays. lots of events, conferences, meetings that were delayed. not sure it is all completely normal. it in will be following today's hyper connected society, it will not be a secret they reached a deal. host: there will also be determining how back pay is paid back. guest: right. they would postpone that to a specific piece of legislation.

we are at the end of the first session of the legislation of congress. host: seymour, harpers ferry, west virginia. i have a question -- pending a government shutdown, after we have had a filibuster and a vote from both houses, how is, and who is paying our president to fly around and sell a program that has been defunded? the white house gets an appropriation and some of the expenses of flying him around involve the secret service and defense department that operate air force one. they get an appropriation and they have to account for all of the cost if they do private activities like campaign fundraising, they have to keep that as a separate budget.

the budget is in fact as of now. -- is in tact as of now. us -- charles clark, tell us about the publication. -- t: host: this is jan, from georgia. you are on, good morning. caller: i was watching the news and they were talking about the obama insurance. host: you have to keep going. newsr: i was watching the and they said there were scams going on about the obama insurance. host: your question is? caller: about the obama

insurance. there are scams going around on the news about that. there have been warnings against unscrupulous telephone solicitors. people should does recall the calls. host: steve, texas, independent line. caller: i am a marine corps veteran. i have worked as a defense contractor. i have worked in germany. the house resolution that they passed on to the senate funds the government, but the funds obamacare. i agree with that. the constitution clearly states that the government can not impose their will upon the

people. it does not make sense. if the government shuts down, it is the fault of the democrats. it is the fault of harry reid and obama. they want to fund obamacare. know, they both speak with -- tones here that is my opinion. you cannot trust any of those guys. been under au ever government shutdown? was in the military in the 1990's. it did not affect the military at all. you have to get them to save some money. if that is what it takes to get the will of the people done, go for it. that is my opinion. i served my country. i believe in the constitution. i believe this administration -- guest: i would point out the supreme court upheld the health-

care law as constitutional. charles are talking to clark of government executive media group. congress is about to get in. i was thinking about the obamacare. i lost my job -- a year ago. i have been working. host: we're going to have to leave it there. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] the clerk: the speaker's room, washington, d.c., september 26, 2013. i hereby appoint the honorable doug lamalfa to act as speaker pro tempore on this day. signed, john a. boehner,