patients they will not live as long? thereelieve dr. stem is license. as longot going to live without any medical reason to do that. >> they are being told by their doctors that are some things that will not be paid for because of the cuts to reimbursement after the first of the year. the patients know those treatments have helped them keep going. the doctors will no longer come. they say they cannot afford to be going back and forth to balance -- dallas. they will not be able to continue the treatment to keep her alive. the doctors tell them what treatments they will not get. the patients know what has been keeping them alive. >> under the affordable care act and the federal exchange

vast majority the of people, their insurance policies are more robust and reimburse a broader variety of problems that they might face. in previous cases, they had not been insured for. i do hope your office and others can reach out to these doctors and make sure that they can actively inform their patients that they are covered or more problems and they might be able to therefore to treatments that they were not able to do before and be reassured in the exchanges that the insurance audits listed will be reimbursed. misinformation from medical professionals or others -- it is important to make sure that the information that is out there among the opinion leaders and those who are educated people in our district is accurate and that people are not

led to believe that somehow they are losing some kind of care. i will be happy to yield back. -- theuntil and gentleman yield back his time. the gentleman from texas. the gentleman yield back his time. thank you to the panel for being here and your thoughtful ideas and presentation. thank you. .his closes the hearing portion >> mr. chairman -- >> the gentlelady is recognized. -- it has been policy that once we have cbo estimates, what you do in the bill is due away with taxes on

medical devices. an estimate to what that will cost? most -- proposed -- it is a bill that has some 230 sponsors. it is the result of collecting those sponsors. i'm sure i could quickly figure that out. >> i do not think it matters how many co-sponsors. this is not an immature piece of legislation. it is a very robust legislation we have passed before. >> do we have a cbo? we should have it before we both. -- we vote.

about $30 billion and increase the deficit by that amount. there is no offset. me.t would not surprise there were a number of senate votes on the issue and the house has voted prior to that. i would be pleased to look for if the at the time gentleman could find that out. >> we should have it before we vote. see the cbo estimate. will be able to go to work right now. any further issues that wish to be brought up? seeing none, we opened the 3210 pay ourr- military act. welcome to the rules committee.

we are trying our darndest to get to this as quickly as possible. my beard would look like yours if i had one. sure he has got that turned on. the gentleman is recognized. chairman.ou, mr. i got the short straw on this particular bill on a saturday night. i think you understand our objections, the principal objection to the bill. we feel that it is tantamount to shutting down the government because you know as well as we do that the senate will not accept these amendments. ,f you shut the government down

it has some adverse consequences to hundreds of thousands of federal employees in the sense that they will not be allowed to show up for work and probably will not get paid currently or after the fact. although they should. the consequences of what it means around the country to shut the government down. many national park sites and monuments. .ipple effects you have got fund raisers in all kinds of people who would otherwise get paid will not get paid.

booked every night this week. these things have repercussions throughout the private sector are. district,ressional which is part of the washington metro area, there are repercussions that are more intense than in other districts. the hurt is widespread. is whatticular bill some might consider and i suspect we will suggest on the floor -- an act of political theater because it covers up the underlying problem, which seems to be a gimmick for purposes of frederick to suggest that this is not going to affect -- mrs. of rhetoric -- purposes of

rhetoric to suggest that it is not going to security, but it will. there are related issues with regard to security. down, which shut this bill would ensure i suspect this week, it will have a direct impact on counterterrorism efforts, weapons of mass destruction efforts, transnational crime, any number of federal activities, anti- crime, counter drug, security, etc.. in fact, it is going to stop the israel --til our ally

$3.1 billion. it is in a tenuous situation, as is egypt. yet that money will be suspended. let me talk about the pay our troops bill specifically. uniformst that personnel, civilian personnel, willelated contract pay continue to be funded, but that is insufficient. we're sending soldiers into battle unable to protect -- i will because give a specific example. in afghanistan, there is no combat activity going on. we have got 60,000 troops. -- there is still combat activity going on.

we have got 60,000 troops. of the remaining $70 billion, that pays for fuel, food for the troops, it pays for the supplies that they need, pays for the ammunition, pays for the maintenance of the equipment, trucks and the like, pays for the combat equipment. could get away with providing for our national security by just paying our troops, it seems to me we would. it is only about 10% of the budget. you cannot send troops out there unless you are prepared to pay for their food and fuel, equipment, weapons, maintenance of their weapons, etc.

need backup troops to replace them. trainingongoing exercises. those training exercises are not covered. we will not fund the ships, aircraft, going equipment, sensors, and ammunition without preparing the troops to take the place of those who are in combat. i would suggest that this bill, the supplemental amendment doesn't do what it claims to do. we talk about the fact that we want to protect veterans. the regular benefits will go out, put up claims processing

will not be able to go to work. those veterans returning from the past 12 years of combat will not be able to process their applications. we are making progress on a va claimson the backlog. there are untold ramifications, it on told adverse consequences consequenceserse for not passing what we know would be the definition of a clean c.r. means that the government is going to shut down and not only the things i have mentioned, but hundreds if not thousands of other consequences would start to take effect. that is why i was here in the

1995. the government shut down for six days and then shut down for 21 days. anyone very then, they never wanted to see that happen again. hoped we would have learned her lesson. i will conclude my testimony. >> i appreciate you taking the time to be here for us. that theay to you argument you have given is a great reason why we are doing this on saturday night to allow the u.s. senate to evidently reassemble all they someday -- sunday and all day monday and we hope they will respond back to us. think it is probably a great opportunity for the senate to see based upon what we are trying to do to ensure that u.s.

military, the men and women who protect us, who are in combat positions at this time, would be taking care of. i appreciate your testimony. the gentlewoman is recognized. >> thank you. no comments and no questions. >> the gentleman from massachusetts. >> it is what it is. my hope is we can avoid a shutdown. it becomes increasingly likely there will be a shutdown. i regret that very much. your seat for being here. >> -- thank you for being here. >> mr. bishop? >> no questions. >> the gentleman from georgia. >> i know there are concerns about national security, even when we are successful in preventing the ship them. many will continue to exist and

will have another opportunity to solve those. i hope they will come together. this is a question that faces our men and women every day. we can do better. i yield back. the ranking member has come back. i want to provide her with the cbo letter that was provided to us some time ago concerning the bill. concerned about [inaudible] >> that is right there. i show that to the gentleman from massachusetts. i can read a quick summary if you like. >> let me do this. cbo estimate the effects would increase the deficit by $2.2 billion in 2013 and $3.2 billion over the 2013 5

year period. ok. but there is no offset. >> there is not. >> that is that. -- bad. >> does the gentlelady wish to enter that into the record? >> yes. >> we will. >> it would reduce revenue between 10 of 2012 and 2023. the entire reduction [indiscernible] does the gentlewoman wish to -- there are two different cbo

scores. are they both the june? >> one is june 4 and the other is june 5. >> 2012? >> 2013. my understanding of the with that kind of money, we do have a cbo. havebelieve what we counted on is that it would not be offset, that we would -- >> the likelihood is that a would have gone up in a year. >> and the likelihood is that it was a guesstimate that was done at the time. i cannot say if there have been changes to those articles are not. we will enter those into the record.

i promise the staff -- >> i would like on the record that these are a year old. >> without objection. and june 5, 2012. >> is that right? >> correct. >> that should be made clear as well. >> i think the point that is how much be made -- are you willing to add to the deficit? that is the question. answer we are trying to get a handle on. correct ifexactly you are on the side of the irs collecting money, or if you are on the harm it does to this this we have as,

different opinion. >> that was on the negotiated. there'll get 30 million new customers -- >> i do not engage in those private negotiations that were not done in public. >> i think they were. >> the issue is not whether they approved of the source of revenue. when you take away, you add to the deficit. i do not think there's any question that the answer we know is that it will reduce the amount of revenue that comes in. >> ok. -- lease let me >> follow the logic. we should all agree that the

amount was going to be revenue if this measure , $30 billion, law we should be able to agree that it is $30 billion to the deficit. then fact, if you look at look atmount, if you the june 5 and outcome is says four $3.2 billion over year period time. we have taken out $70 billion that was in another section of -- bill that was incapable we did that rather without batting an eyelash. >> i think 29. >> it depends which one you

read. i'm confused, too. do that.xpect you to further questions from the gentlewoman? >> no. >> anyone on this site that has questions? you. you are now excused, sir. 210 hearing portion of hr-3 is now closed. the chairman will be in receipt of a motion from the gentlewoman from north carolina, vice chairman the committee. she is recognized. >> thank you. [indiscernible] it provides one-hour debate.

the motion should be considered as red. -- read. the rule provides adoption of the motion. ofprovides for consideration our military act. the rule was that you should be considered as read. you have heard the motion from the gentlelady. i will defer to myself for some explanation. this provides the motion to concur that the c.r. amendments provides a single period of one

hour debate on all amendments. the amendment offered by the gentleman from minnesota. amendment number two will be offered by the gentlewoman from tennessee. a separate vote for each amendment in the house. there is consideration for a c.r. related to the military fate. the minority will have a motion. is there anyd, amendment to the motion? seeing none, those in favor, say aye. >>n a aye. >> those opposed? >> no. >> rollcall. >> aye. >> aye. aye. >> aye. >> aye. >> aye.

>> aye. >> no. >> no. mr. chairman, we did not have a discussion period. voting anday before that is -- we don't want a shutdown, but your date exacting that would cause a shutdown. no. >> no. >> aye. 8 yeas and 4 nays. >> the amendment is agreed to. if i did not clearly ask for any amendment or a discussion, i

apologize. i thought i had. >> [inaudible] >> ok. as you know, i want to make sure i offer fairness. thank you. the amendment does pass. i will be on the floor in a few minutes. the gentlewoman, the ranking member, is recognized. some --e there will be i'm sorry? yes. as always in the filing, paperwork has to be together. as soon as that is done, we will go down. i anticipate some period of time. i'm sure they will have a guesstimate of that. >> i anticipated that we would be meeting again on any other

matter? >> that is a very good question. as of this time, i know of no further meetings that i am scheduling at this time. it is my expectation that i will stay here in washington and will be here in this committee on 24 hours notice. thank you did the gentleman. further questions? the hearing is now closed. [gavel] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] [captioning performed by national captioning institute]

>> the house rules committee breaking up now. they met to work on a bill to fund the federal government. funding runs out monday night at midnight. we will take your calls. the numbers are up on your screen. democrats -- 202-585-3885. 3886.licans -- 202-585- 3887.endence -- 202-585-

here is a quick look at what happened a few minutes ago. >> you are saying the president will veto? >> he has threatened. >> he has drawn a red line? >> yes. [laughter] >> you know why? i think he is very serious about this. about him.ust it is a lot of people who are entitled to health care in this country. they are scared they would not get it if this prevails. thank you for being here. >> and some of what the rules committee looked at tonight exactly. the house proposing to extend funding through mid-december for the federal government, delaying the health care law for a year, something the senate has said it will not accept. the medicalith

devices taxed that would have gone toward supporting the health care law, as well as the a separate measure to make sure soldiers and others involved with military work are paid in the event that the government shuts down. we want to hear what you think of the capital, congress funding the government. the numbers are up on the screen. you can also send us a tweet at #cspanchat. alabama. democrat line. go ahead. caller: yes. i wanted to comment on the meeting that just broke up. about stoppingg this bill, this law.