majority is trying to use the budget process to take the government hostage unless we delay the central provisions of the affordable care act. because of the act, americans with pre-existing conditions finally have coverage. women's health is finally on an equal footing. i understand that as part of this proposal it would strike down the preventive services provided for women's health is on an equal footing. ,aturity and pediatric efforts young people can stay on their parents plan. it was a patience and the doctors not that insurers back at the center of health care. we have experience insurance companies who have said, sorry. if your kid is in cancer treatment, you have reached your

limit. insurance is that last affordable for more american families. the amendment under consideration seeks to roll that back. if i may address the underlying resolution. thatl remind the committee we were warned earlier in the year that the automatic cuts could affect as many 750,000 jobs. it appears the majority wants to make the cuts permanent. even the chair of the appropriations committee was just here. it is unrealistic. this must be brought to an end. this aims to make these dangerous games public. because to the deep cuts, over 57,000 children whose access to

learning access through head start. the shoulder will never get this opportunity back. it has not come back. mechanical research is being curtailed or lost. -- these children will never get this opportunity back. it has not come back. i'll mechanical research is being curtailed or lost. this is of concern to me. i am a cancer survivor. by the grace of god i am alive today. why we would want to see the deep cuts in the national institute of health and other of our jewels and health-care curtailed, how many lives did we put at risk? supportive services are being sharply reduced. even though one in five and children currently live in poverty, hundreds and thousands of adults are losing access to

job training program. low income seniors lose out on congregate and home delivered meals. 15% of seniors are going hungry. mental health oh grams are being gutted. -- programs are being gutted. the list goes on. it appears to me they like to pretend these have not already been cut. they have been cut deeply. they have adjusted for inflation and population growth. this is a platform for which i speak. they will be cut by 17%. we are mortgaging our future as a nation. we're setting ourselves back. we stand on the verge of a government shutdown. this is a behaving responsibly, working toward a reasonable compromise, the majority

continues to put ideology above the fundamental priorities of the american people. i think that is wrong and that we should move forward to try to get to some reasonable compromise so that we do keep the government open and we help you try to make a difference. i thank you. >> thank you very much. i appreciate you taking time. this committee respects your testimony in the time he had taken to be here. >> thank you. i appreciate the opportunity to testify before you this afternoon. i am here to speak in opposition to the role before you. it inappropriately mixes a settled policy matter with what should be a simple hunting bill that will avoid a costly government shutdown. this is nothing more than an attempt to achieve legislative goals of both chambers of congress. the house republican congress is forcing a vote to halt implementation of the affordable

care act. it was signed into law by the president and rolled unconstitutional by the united states to print court. ruled unconstitutional by the united states supreme court. they have said that defunding or delaying is a nonstarter. here we are again. just over 48 hours left the work -- before funding runs out, this is both tactically unwise and harmful to our nation. the government shutdown is projected to cost u.s. taxpayers $150 million a day. the impact of a government shutdown will be hundreds of thousands of federal employees making far less than we do here in congress. negatively impacting them personally and also spending a ripple effect throughout the economy. they planned vacations and meals out with their families. disability pay will be disrupted.

farmers and ranchers will halt to the tune of 100 billion dollars a month. important federal research will cease here at the national institute of help will stop receiving new patients. i am a breast cancer survivor. i think we both can understand the dramatic impact of what happens if we cut back on important health care research. the tens of thousands of people will be put away harming restaurants and hotels and gas stations that employs thousands of non-federal employees. it is for all these reasons that i propose this harmful indestructible. it does not have to be this way. and separate two completely different issues. role.ppose this harmful

it doesn't have to be this way. separate two completely different issues. i encourage the committee to allow for passage. if they would deny millions of americans to quality health care, they should do so through regular order not through brinksmanship with our economy. >> i want to thank the gentleman from florida not only for her friendship to me this committee but for taking time to be with us tonight and taking time to know what your thoughts are. want to welcome my colleague from texas was just entered the room and asked that the gentlewoman go ahead. are you here to get testimony? i would ask that you would please allow, if you could please get her a chair and allow her to come?

we are trying to quickly get this till through the committee and to the rule so we can move forward. that is an understanding that we all have on this committee. anything you have in writing will be entered into the record. >> thank you for allowing me to make a presentation. let me first start by saying these are very difficult times and issues. as i was walking over and thinking about my remarks and asked the question to myself is this a debate over issues of morale at sea, whether or not -- morality, whether or not the position to oppose a

continuing resolution is a question of morality will have some impact or high calling goal for this nation. this is not in any way to political opposition. the cost for the appealing obamacare. they mentioned the issue of research. i represent hospitals like st. luke's. they do research

work. they are making great strides. i may add my voice to being a survivor as well. i am thinking of the cr. one is bought down with the opposition to obamacare which had in it a very large portion of research money. to eliminate obamacare would in some instances start research and its track. give a young women or family needing to have health care for their family or a newly pregnant wife past the age of 26. i thought about the excitement of a young person past the age of 26 being able to get health insurance for the very first time between $100 and $130 in premiums. any legislation would include the elimination of obamacare. this would injure and harm millions of individuals who are uninsured.

i am in opposition. i think when you look at the moral decision or question, it is allowing americans to seek good health care in a reasonable amount of money that they might be able to secure. also the research question is very disturbing to me. the other part is the sequester numbers. i know we cannot escape. it has to be regular order. we are not even contending with that. it has hurt so much in job creation and economic development. we are just asking for a simple cr to continued the government. we're asking for the recommendation that in addition

to the amendment that i know will be worth coming on military pay, i live in a community with a high number of seniors that need the processing of social security and medicare staff persons who will then not be there to assist in the seniors. i am in a federal building. i have even come down in the lobby when the doors are locked and there are people standing in line trying to get in for social security issues. the staff persons will no longer be there. i want to make a point of what may happen in the shutdown. our payment is in a different matrix. there are certain elements that will not be funded because of a potential shutdown. a clean cr would have the other body joining. it would have this body joining and we would have the ability in regular order for these very

fine numbers to go in regular order to eliminate sequester, to have a budget that may be balanced and to be able to address the issues that i know the chairman and myself are committed to. i know you have an affinity and affection for nasa. we are not doing well in nasa. i would like to be able to see us go through regular order. in my recent research i have determined that we actually make money with the utilization of the affordable care act. we actually have money coming in and paul ryan actually use what has been targeted now by the republican conference. he used medicare savings to put in his budget. medicare savings has nothing to do with cutting benefits of

seniors. i have come to conclude my remarks to say two things in conclusion. i would like to see us pass all the things that i have said it may be that which i have not about what is the moral question that causes the republican congress to offer to this house acr bogged down by issues i do not believe have a moral weight except for wanting to make sure our soldiers our paid. -- are paid. if we go forward, allow us to have the opportunity to add our christmas tree to the cr and may be an amendment that in the sequester. -- that ends the sequester. i think that we can find common ground and proceed with regular order. i thank the ranking member for her courtesy. i'm happy to yield back at this time.

>> i appreciate very much the gentleman from texas. welcome to the committee. >> we have been overwhelmed with mails, calls from those who have been great the harm by the affordable care act. they have lost their insurance. they lost their dog yours. they have been told their quality of life -- their daughters they have been told their quality of life may change. the cut to the 700 billion dollar cuts to medicare were cut

to reimbursement, not directly to seniors. seniors in my district have been advised they will not be getting the care they want. it is a big deal. i'm not seen anything like this in regard to actual damage that is being done. i very much appreciate doing what the president has acknowledged needs to be done. since the president has done it -- that is postponing part of the affordable care act. says the president has done it for them, we would like to do it for everybody in america. union members are begging. they are begging to please let us have the same advantage that

-- do not force this on us right now. i applaud what is the effort that is being done here. i have been pushing for over 2.5 years to try to get the military paid in the event there was a shutdown. i really hope there is not to shut. i know the president has threatened a veto. he also threatened a veto on a payroll tax extension that he withdrew. i hope when he looks at this he will realize that i was willing to do it for my big is this friend so why should my doing a -- why should i not do it for the union members?

from a procedural standpoint i have a request. i understood that two amendments were going to go over as the original senate amendment of hr-59. my understanding now is that we have full text of the, what the senate sent back. on one we have the postponement of obamacare for one year. in the full text of hr 59 with the addition of the military being paid. according to the parliamentarian of the senate, that means when these arrived separately favorable arrived together at the same time the full text is there. it is attached to the fulltext provisions. the senate may table be one that would provide help to so many people that are facing the loss of their treatment or care. the senate could table that or could only take up the amendment with the military being paid on the other in the medical device tax.

and then send the one back without having every senator cast a vote to let their constituent know whether they stand with the president for big is this only. i would encourage the rules committee to structure it in such a way that there is one senate amendment and that's all of the amendments that they allow that they go to the senate in one amendment where one can be tabled and the other taken and passed. >> thank you very much. we appreciate your testimony

today and you taking the time to be with us today. if the gentleman will please stick around, we are owing to allow you a chance to speak to us. we are going to allow us an opportunity. >> thank you. i have no questions. >> i have never heard anything like that either. i do believe that hearing today from three cancer survivors, and thang god for that, that this can certainly give us pause. you have all heard me say that the human genome project that i have been intent with has said that within four years they could've had the cure for cancer.

we are putting a stop to that. he is losing scientists. none of this makes sense. i can imagine what we think we are doing here you make the best ribs in the world but people are wearing about the things they lost on a bill that has not given them pay. you have a problem. no question about it. i do not have any more questions. i think we have said just about everything we can. would you tell us again what walter scott said? >> hang on a second. >> what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive. a lot of deception is happening.

>> thank you for being here. >> thank you very much. >> mr. bishop. >> no questions. >> a lot of people would tell me they are thrilled the children tell me they are thrilled the children could stay on their health care until 26. i see citizens getting preventive care without getting co-pays. i'm going to say one thing to my colleague as i look forward to

setting the record straight. the way this should work is that it should be pretty straight by the time you get here. we have a process where we are not doing hearings or markups. we have a bill before us today that we saw over an hour ago that came out of a private meeting that you had. we do not even know what we're going to talk about today. i point that out. what happens is you are going to go to the floor under this close rule were there will be no amendments. very little debate. an hour on this bill. my guess is that you will hit talking points back and forth. not the advice of spurts of people want to understand how the health care works. who will be harmed by delaying the implementation of this bill? i point this out because this is the rules committee. i am not saying that democrats and not mess things up on occasion when we were in charge.

i am saying on this we are at a point where the government will shut down in a matter of hours. we are playing this game. it is a really dangerous game to play. there is a cost to the american taxpayer when the government shut down. this is not for free. i hope that we can get a better process. i thank the gentleman for the time. chairman -- i'm sorry. may i just officially put on the record i did not say it as to make a request? and lastly just to my good friend, if anything, i have heard from my district seniors who have lost themselves in the doughnut hole.

>> does the gentleman was to -- wish to extend time? >> that there is one point we can say for all seniors is the doughnut hole we had previously aided by the article care at the seniors have appreciated that they have no longer fall into a long cost. i thank you. >> thank you very much. >> i thank my colleagues for being here. i have no questions at this time. >> >> thank you. >> i just want to say to my friend from texas who i think is widely considered to be one of the most conservative members in this body. he went through not just today but last night on the floor. a very heartfelt recitation of folks in his district who have been hurt. i also see knobs. some folks have been helped as well. fromds

some folks have been helped as well. i do not say that lightly. i see a real opportunity for folks to come here. i think be gentleman for making -- thank the gentleman for making this point so well. >> you mention in your district seniors are being told that they will not live as long and they are being advised that they will not get the same care. >> fair hearing from the doctors themselves. -- they are hearing from the doctors themselves. we have had doctors decide to leave their practice.

they will no longer be doing that because of the cuts to reimbursement under the obamacare bill. >> they're telling their patients they will not live as long? doctors could lose their license for telling a persian you're not going to live long without any medical reason to do that. >> if i may answer the question. they have been told that there are some things that will not be paid for because of the cuts to reimbursement after the first of the year. the patients know those treatments have helped them keep going. the doctors will no longer come. they say they cannot afford to be going back and forth to dallas. they will not be able to continue the treatment to keep her alive. the doctors tell them what treatments they will not get. the patients know what has been keeping them alive. >> under the affordable care act and the federal exchange

operative, for the vast majority of people, their insurance policies are more robust and reimburse a broader variety of problems that they might face. in previous cases, they had not been insured for. i do hope your office and others can reach out to these doctors and make sure that they can actively inform their patients that they are covered or more problems and they might be able to therefore to treatments that they were not able to do before and be reassured in the exchanges that the insurance audits listed will be reimbursed. having the misinformation from medical professionals or others it is important to make sure that the information that is out there among the opinion leaders and those who are educated

people in our district is accurate and that people are not led to believe that somehow they are losing some kind of care. i will be happy to yield back. >> the gentleman yields back his time. the gentleman from texas. the gentleman yields back his time. thank you to the panel for being here and your thoughtful ideas and presentation. thank you. this closes the hearing portion. >> mr. chairman -- >> the gentlelady is recognized. >> a question -- it has been policy that once we have cbo estimates, what you do in the bill is due away with taxes on medical devices.

any estimate to what that will cost? >> it is proposed -- it is a bill that has some 230 sponsors. it is the result of collecting those sponsors. i'm sure i could quickly figure that out. >> i do not think it matters how many co-sponsors. >> this is not an immature piece of legislation. it is a very robust legislation we have passed before. >> do we have a cbo? we should have it before we vote.

it will cost about $30 billion and increase the deficit by that amount. there is no offset. >> it would not surprise me. there were a number of senate votes on the issue and the house has voted prior to that. i would be pleased to look for and ask at the time if the gentleman could find that out. >> we should have it before we vote. see the cbo estimate. >> vanderbilt will be able to go to work right now. any further issues that wish to be brought up? seeing none, we open the hearing on hr-3210 pay our military act. welcome to the rules committee.

we are trying our darndest to get to this as quickly as possible. my beard would look like yours if i had one. please make sure he has got that turned on. the gentleman is recognized. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i got the short straw on this particular bill on a saturday night. i think you understand our objections, the principal objection to the bill. we feel that it is tantamount to shutting down the government because you know as well as we do that the senate will not accept these amendments.

if you shut the government down, it has some adverse consequences to hundreds of thousands of federal employees in the sense that they will not be allowed to show up for work and probably will not get paid currently or after the fact. although they should. we understand the consequences of what it means around the country to shut the government down. many national park sites and monuments. ripple effects. you have got fund raisers in all

kinds of people who would otherwise get paid will not get paid. it is booked every night this week. these things have repercussions throughout the private sector are. in my congressional district, which is part of the washington metro area, there are repercussions that are more intense than in other districts. the hurt is widespread. this particular bill is what some might consider and i suspect we will suggest on the floor -- an act of political theater because it covers up the underlying problem, which seems to be a gimmick for purposes of rhetoric to suggest that it is not going to security, but it will.

there are related issues with regard to security. it we have a shut down, which this bill would ensure i suspect this week, it will have a direct impact on counterterrorism efforts, weapons of mass destruction efforts, transnational crime, any number of federal activities, anti- crime, counter drug, security, etc.. in fact, it is going to stop the payment until our ally israel -- $3.1 billion.

it is in a tenuous situation, as is egypt. yet that money will be suspended. let me talk about the pay our troops bill specifically. it suggest that uniform personnel, civilian personnel, and related contract pay will continue to be funded, but that is insufficient. we're sending soldiers into battle unable to protect themselves because -- i will give a specific example. in afghanistan, there is still combat activity going on. we have got 60,000 troops. of the remaining $70 billion, that pays for fuel, food for the troops, it pays for the supplies

that they need, pays for the ammunition, pays for the maintenance of the equipment, trucks and the like, pays for the combat equipment. i mean, if we could get away with providing for our national security by just paying our troops, it seems to me we would. it is only about 10% of the budget. you cannot send troops out there unless you are prepared to pay for their food and fuel, equipment, weapons, maintenance of their weapons, etc.

obviously we need backup troops to replace them. there is ongoing training exercises. those training exercises are not covered. we will not fund the ships, aircraft, going equipment, sensors, and ammunition without preparing the troops to take the place of those who are in combat. i would suggest that this bill, the supplemental amendment doesn't do what it claims to do. we talk about the fact that we want to protect veterans. the regular benefits will go out, put up claims processing will not be able to go to work. those veterans returning from

the past 12 years of combat will not be able to process their applications. we are making progress on the va claims backlog. there are untold ramifications, it on told adverse consequences untold adverse consequences for not passing what we know would be the definition of a clean c.r. i'm afraid that means that the government is going to shut down and not only the things i have mentioned, but hundreds if not thousands of other consequences

would start to take effect. that is why i was here in the 1990's, in 1995. the government shut down for six days and then shut down for 21 days. anyone very then, they never wanted to see that happen again. i would have hoped we would have learned her lesson. i will conclude my testimony. >> i appreciate you taking the time to be here for us. i would say to you that the argument you have given is a great reason why we are doing this on saturday night to allow the u.s. senate to evidently reassemble all day sunday and all day monday and we hope they will respond back to us. i think it is probably a great opportunity for the senate to

see based upon what we are trying to do to ensure that u.s. military, the men and women who protect us, who are in combat positions at this time, would be taking care of. i appreciate your testimony. the gentlewoman is recognized. >> thank you. no comments and no questions. >> the gentleman from massachusetts. thank you to the gentleman for his thoughtful comments. it is what it is. my hope is we can avoid a shutdown. it becomes increasingly likely there will be a shutdown. i regret that very much. thank you for being here. >> mr. bishop? >> no questions. >> the gentleman from georgia. >> i know there are concerns about national security, even when we are successful in preventing the ship them. many will continue to exist and will have another opportunity to solve those.

i hope they will come together. this is a question that faces our men and women every day. we can do better. i yield back. >> the ranking member has come back. i want to provide her with the cbo letter that was provided to us some time ago concerning the bill. >> i'm concerned about [inaudible] >> that is right there. i show that to the gentleman from massachusetts. i can read a quick summary if you like. >> let me do this. joint committee cbo estimate the

effects would increase the deficit by $2.2 billion in 2013 and $3.2 billion over the 2013 5 year period. ok. but there is no offset. >> there is not. >> that is bad. >> does the gentlelady wish to enter that into the record? >> yes. >> we will. >> it would reduce revenue between 10 years of 2012 and 2023. the entire reduction would result [indiscernible] >> does the gentlewoman wish to -- record.t that in the

>> without objection. >> there are two different cbo scores. >> are they both the june? >> one is june 4 and the other is june 5. >> 2012? >> 2013. >> my understanding of the procedure was with that kind of money, we do have a cbo. >> i believe what we have counted on is that it would not be offset, that we would -- >> the likelihood is that a would have gone up in a year. >> and the likelihood is that it was a guesstimate that was done

at the time. i cannot say if there have been changes to those articles are not. we will enter those into the record. i promise the staff -- >> i would like on the record that these are a year old. >> without objection. june 4, 2012 and june 5, 2012. >> is that right? >> correct. >> that should be made clear as well. >> i think the point that is trying to be made -- how much are you willing to add to the deficit? that is the question. that is the answer we are trying to get a handle on. >> you are exactly correct if you are on the side of the irs collecting money, or if you are on the harm it does to this this business, we have a different opinion. >> that was on the negotiated. there'll get 30 million new

customers -- >> i do not engage in those private negotiations that were not done in public. >> i think they were. >> the issue is not whether they approved of the source of revenue. when you take away, you add to the deficit. i do not think there's any question that the answer we know is that it will reduce the amount of revenue that comes in. >> ok. >> please let me -- >> follow the logic. we should all agree that the amount was going to be revenue coming in is now if this measure were to become law, $30 billion, we should be able to agree that

it is $30 billion to the deficit. >> in fact, if you look at the june 4 amount, if you look at the june 5 and outcome is says it is $3.2 billion over four year period time. we have taken out $70 billion that was in another section of the bill that was incapable -- we did that rather without batting an eyelash. >> i think 29. >> it depends which one you read. i'm confused, too. i would expect you to do that. further questions from the gentlewoman?

>> i think 29. >> it depends which one you read. i'm confused, too. i would expect you to do that. further questions from the gentlewoman? >> no. >> anyone on this side that has questions? thank you. you are now excused, sir. the hearing portion of hr-3210 is now closed. the chairman will be in receipt of a motion from the gentlewoman from north carolina, vice chairman the committee. she is recognized. >> thank you. [indiscernible]

it provides one-hour debate. it provides the motion should be considered as read. the rule provides adoption of the motion. it provides for consideration of hr-2310 to pay our military act. the rule was that you should be considered as read. >> you have heard the motion from the gentlelady. i will defer to myself for some explanation.

this provides the motion to concur that the c.r. amendments provides a single period of one hour debate on all amendments. the amendment offered by the gentleman from minnesota. amendment number two will be offered by the gentlewoman from tennessee. a separate vote for each amendment in the house. there is consideration for a c.r. related to the military fate. the minority will have a motion. with that said, is there any amendment to the motion? seeing none, those in favor, say aye. >> aye. >> those opposed? >> no. >> roll call. >> aye. >> aye. >> aye. >> aye. >> aye.

>> aye. >> aye. >> no. >> no. >> mr. chairman, we did not have a discussion period. i want to say before voting and that is -- we don't want a shutdown, but your date exacting -- you are doing the exact thing that would cause a shutdown. no. >> no. >> aye. 8 yeas and 4 nays. >> the amendment is agreed to.

if i did not clearly ask for any amendment or a discussion, i apologize. i thought i had. >> [inaudible] >> ok. as you know, i want to make sure i offer fairness. thank you. the amendment does pass. i will be on the floor in a few minutes. the gentlewoman, the ranking member, is recognized. i believe there will be some -- i'm sorry? yes. as always in the filing, paperwork has to be together. as soon as that is done, we will go down. i anticipate some period of time. i'm sure they will have a guesstimate of that.

>> i anticipated that we would be meeting again on any other matter? >> that is a very good question. as of this time, i know of no further meetings that i am scheduling at this time. it is my expectation that i will stay here in washington and will be here in this committee on 24 hours notice. thank you did the gentleman. further questions? the hearing is now closed. [gavel] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> earlier harry reid released a statement regarding efforts in that house, calling votes in the house pointless.

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down on tuesday if a deal is not reached. is a debate on a separate bill that would pay military service members in case of a shutdown. the remarks are 20 minutes. >> ok. let's go ahead and begin post up on the chairman of the democratic caucus. we have held a nether caucus the saturday evening september the 18. it has been two days and counting. it appears that republicans have decided to move forward with their plan to shut down the

here we are. seems it is a deep and intense family feud within the republic fhere ithe house of representatives. the elephantagging and the folks who will get hurt are the american people and certainly the middle class. if basic government services are shut down because of a political feud -- that seems to be where we are going. it seems that there are some people who are intent on wedding party before country and letting our budget for the federal government not move forward so we can keep the doors of all of those government services open, whether it is for seniors or for our veterans or for young toilies who use the services

make sure that they go to work. moving in theare direction of shutting down government. i think it was albert einstein who said it best post of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is probably the best way to define insanity. on the evening of september 28, i think we find ourselves with a clear definition of insanity. how we can continue to keep our middle class growing and had to believe it will remain strong and continued to tell those in the middle class that they can provide their kids with the promise of a better future if we continue to create whichmanufactured crises close the doors of government, perhaps jeopardize the full faith and credit of the united

states. it seems odd. i want to crystallize what is going on here. republicans are complaining that are present has not negotiated with them on this legislation. it is supposed to be a budget bill. they have turned into a bill with a can attach all sorts of things are aspects of their republican agenda, especially the repeal of the health security law that is now in place. the republicans are prepared to shut down government and we are on the floor tonight to vote for the45th time to repeal .ealth security law perhaps the oddest aspect is

that they continue to complain that they are neck getting enough attention from the president to negotiate on this republican bill. never once did our republican colleagues approach democrats on what to include in this bill that will be on the floor in a matter of hours for us to debate. while they talk about compromise and negotiation, they ignore 201, 200 representatives in the house of representatives who tens of millions of people in this country. i think albert einstein is right. the same thing over again and expect different results, we have seen them walk away from opportunity to negotiate from the president and democrats, they keep doing it all over and over again, and i think albert einstein is right. that is the definition of

insanity. saturday evening, 8:00 at night, september 28, less than three days watching from the republicans shutting down the government, we are voting on another toll to lead us in that direction. i will yield to our vice- chairman. we are likely -- lucky to be joined from one of our colleagues in new jersey. , after our vice- chairman speaks. >> thank you. is it 45? 46? i have lost count. i think most americans have lost count, as well. i do not think they care anymore how many times you attempt it. what they do know is that failure to pass will bring about a shut down in government.

is their intention to repeal it. they are using that issue to shut down government. that is the big hostage. they are not letting go. suffers as a result? the american people. it continues to show over and over again, unfortunately, that the death -- dysfunctionality that is in washington is not in the congress. it is within the republican caucus itself. i cannot say anymore. i feel sorry for john boehner. he is a decent man. that is not the point. the reality is there caucus is dysfunctional and they cannot function because of their dysfunctionality.

they need to get their act together. on the floor, a clean ,ill, to continue government that is it. the reality is the votes we will take, no matter how many gimmicks we put in the bill, a vote on this bill tonight in favor is a vote to shut down government. that is what it is. they know once it gets to the senate, it will not be taken up what rejected over and over and over again. we are not going backward. we are going forward. butre not in -- repealing going forward with it. their greatest fear. get your acts together and get a seat on the floor that is clean so we can move on with government -- governing. >> thank you. is virtually certain that on

tuesday morning, the united states government will not open. it will be shut down. thes absolutely certain american taxpayers will keep paying for government. theoes not shut down obligation of americans to pay taxes for services they are no longer receiving. how did we get to this point? their presidential nominee in 2008, senator mccain, said it was insanity to shut the government down over the health care law. their presidential nomination of last year, governor romney, said it was wholly ineffective to shut the government down over the health care law. thirds of the republicans in the united states senate refused to use their votes to shut the government down over the health care law. but an avid minority within the house majority is running the show.

have suggested senator cruise is now the de facto speaker of the house of representatives. if we areon is not, eventually going to adopt a clean continuing resolution. the question is when. it is clear a continuing resolution that injures or repealed the health-care bill will never pass the united and would never receive the president posses signature if it did. that our republican friends are about to cast tonight our votes in favor if -- of a government shutdown. it is more than just a government shutdown. it is a shut down of the united states economy. it affects federal employees on paycheck, federal contractors who will find their contracts impaired, and many others who depend on that throughout the country's economy. we have had more than three years of consecutive months of job rose in the country.

they are putting that at risk or there is no good reason for it. we should end this charade. houseclean -- on the floor, pass it, and keep the united states from shutting down. very sadly. it appears to me all but certain, limit talk strikes midnight, the government will shut down. this is an intentional act i the house republicans. an act of extreme. >> we will take questions. >> the military pay bill [indiscernible] house republicans saying they will shut it down? why the contingency? >> that is right. why else would you be passing the bill that says, by the way, in the event the government shuts down, we do not want all of our service members to impacted. so we will pass this will, along with our -- bill, along with our

shut down government bill. it is unfortunate. they are shutting -- showing their hand. it was not just the military bill that will be hurting. a lot of other americans will be by a government shutdown. republicans are trying to govern -- cover their bases with the content -- constituency we all care about. that is insanity. i think that is the shameful part of it. republicans are telegraphing they intend to shut government and the only folks they will worry about our military personnel. pretty sad. >> what is even scarier about this, we went through the same routine on the debt ceiling when republicans passed the page china first at. they called it the debt prior jersey nation act.

-- priority act. paying first, including china. it is the same -- different fight, but similar actors. if we do shut down government, we will give you some of the hostages. you can almost see it right now. they let some of the hostages go and run across the streets. they are let go, but you are still left with the rest of the hostages. that is unfortunate. but it is the way in which they are operating right now. it is all part of the same play, the same movie. >> we certainly support paying the troops. we stand by them and their families. we support all americans being treated justly. this government shutdown is unjust. they know it is coming.

this is a fig leaf to try to cover up some of these effects. >> the question of whether the democratic caucus will support >>s military-only cr idea? we want to pass a budget will and we said that from the very beginning. a clear budget bill on the floor and democrats will vote for it. democrats may say no based on what it says, but we will vote. when you start to play games with the american people through the federal government budget, which operates as the result of american taxpayer dollars, you are playing with fire. they made it clear. they understand that. that is why they are doing this military bill so it is not as obvious when all the military families are impacted. they want to at least avoid that here it as mr. andrews just said, we are not interested in

picking winners and losers among all americans paying their taxes when it is unnecessary. this is a manufactured crisis by our republican colleagues engaged in a family feud and they cannot resolve it. they are letting tea party ray thatovern in a impacts all americans. that is extremely sad. >> some of your members have supported repealing the federal tax. the twoconcerned about obamacare amendments? >> i think we have made it clear we are not interested in participating in the shut down of our government and the basic services that would close as a result. thatll look for a bill lets us vote on a budget. if the republicans insist on putting things that have nothing to do with putting in place a budget paid for with taxpayer dollars, we are not interested in playing the game.

this game of hostage taking, we are not interested in it. we want to do what we were elected to do. that is to help run the government in the most responsible way we can. this is your responsible, to say the least. we hope what we can do is move forward quickly and get this work done because there is so much more we have to do. the middle-class is waiting to hear what plan we have to get the economy growing even faster. it is raising -- waiting to hear what we will do to tackle the high cost of higher education. it is what we need to do. >> we are also the folks with the megaphone, the cops out on the street. they are holding hostages right now. it is a separate bill from the cr. iny will not have an impact terms of preventing a shut down if the bill is passed were not

in the house of representatives. they can try all the gimmicks they want. at the end of the day, this is about shutting down the government. i wish it were not the case. i wish we had more time. we are heading very close now to the 11th hour. they dondrews said, if not act responsibly, the government will indeed shut down. it sounds like you feel a shutdown is inevitable at this point. do you feel there is any scenario? isthe only inevitability that the american people will suffer the consequences of a very dangerous political game through a man-made crisis. could we avoid this situation where americans will suffer the consequences of their government

shutting down for political reasons? absolutely. up the senateg passed bill as it was, stripped of all or most of the game playing that republicans included the first time when they bashed it earlier. we could have taken care of this yesterday. we could have taken care of this and months ago -- this months ago. if republicans wish to really negotiate on any number of these items, as we have all said, we are prepared to sit down and negotiate, but not with the gun to the head of american people. this can be resolved. you do not need to do this. that is up to republicans. >> i want to emphasize a couple of things that would be universally acknowledged. it will be nearly midnight saturday when this process is finished.

understand the senate rules, and they are abstruse, senator reid can move quite quickly to strike the provisions the house is adding to this bill. , he the senate reassembles will. it is my anticipation the senate, because it has made clear where it stands, will stand there again. trailer for the avie you will see again in certain number of hours. i do not think it is likely that all happens before midnight monday. that is the way things work around here. thell know the end of story. the president will sign a clean cr. that not know -- we know it will, just not when. is that a lot of innocent people will be heard in the process. a lot of people are not part of the political dogfight and will be dragged into it.

we are saying, let's cut the drama, put the senate bill on the house floor tonight without the amendments. i am confident, if that happened, there would be no government shutdown. i think, when the clock strikes midnight on monday, the place is >> can i just close with this remark? i quoted einstein who accomplished some great things and talked about the definition of insanity. let me give you the quote of another individual, or a conservative commentator. pj o'rourke said republicans run for office claiming government does not work, and then they get elected and prove it. this is one of those moments where it is hard to believe, where if it were not so serious, it would be absurd. that is where we are. we are ready to vote to pass the

budget. we hope our republican colleagues will stop their internal political feuding and give the american people a chance to see the representatives vote for a clean move forwardnue to our government and not shut it down. thank you all very much. >> thank you. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> hours after that briefing, the house debated and passed two amendments to the spending bill. first of those amendments was a measure that did away with the tax currently imposed on medical devise to manufacturers. passed with a vote of 248-174. the other amendment, delayed implementation of the health care law by one year. that passed with a vote of 231- 192. next, the debate on both of those amendments that preceded the final votes.

funding the government with a continuing resolution should not be plan a. plan b, or even plan c. our challenges are many. the timeline is short. passing this today is absolutely essential. house passed a version of this bill last friday. the senate amended it. it was sent back to us to consider once again. to motion before us agrees the senate amendments with two

further amendments. one delaying obamacare for a year, and one repealing the medical device tax. areuded in each amendment three changes i have requested. the first change is the date the , december 15, to give us more time to passed the fiscal appropriations bills. on thiseen frack civil issue from the very beginning. this longer time frame will help us avoid the potential need for another cr in the interim. finally, the third will add a

new anomaly to extend the authority for the united states to issue special immigrant visas for the length of the cr. this authority is necessary to ensure the visas continue for iraq is who assisted the u.s. during the war, many of whom put their lives on the line to do so. that sinceme clear the cr was first introduced, this new prison -- provision has wide bipartisan support. one of our primary jobs as members of congress is to provide our people with important programs and services only the federal government can provide and to ensure these services are available. this bill does that. it is also our responsibility to adjust the

nation's fiscal challenges head on with a realistic and pragmatic approach that will allow for attainable solutions. with a debt ceiling looming, a fragile economy in recovery, and the threat of additional sequestration cuts, that will got our national defense, it is essential we come together to find common ground. one side cannot do it alone. in action or on these crucial issues could lead to disastrous results where our people and our nation for years to come. let me take a moment now to of just a few of the consequences if the government were to shut down. our troops will not be paid. national security will be put

death at risk. elderly and veterans may not get the assistance they rely upon. our businesses facing great .ncertainty will take a hit our economy will suffer. we must act responsibly to keep our government open and our country on stable economic footing. now and in the near future, we must also act as productive nations to keep the safe, provide our people with essential services, rain in unsustainable entitlement programs, and secure a responsible and realistic federal budget.

my colleagues will understand that funding the government is one of those essential duties. i ask you to vote yes on the continuing resolution. i reserve. >> the gentlelady from new york is recognized. >> mr. speaker, i yield myself such mock -- such time as i may ensue him to discuss. >> recognized for as much time as she may consume. >> the bill for the -- the house can -- is considering tonight -- instead of working with democrats to prevent a shutdown, the majority has gotten even more extreme by writing a bill that has no chance of becoming law and will be the 43rd vote on rp ealing or undermining of the affordable care act. while the old saying goes, if at first, you do not succeed,

try and try again, i to my colleagues across the aisle tonight, stop trying. givingl not succeed. our medical choices back to insurance companies and keeping health insurance costs too high for too many families. the republican war on women by allowing a woman's employer to determine what is safe and legal health services that she can access. the bill the senate returned to the house would not increase spending, but one provision would cost $30 billion. the majority is wasting time as we get closer and closer to a shutdown, because we all know -- bill will be dead on arrival in the senate. here is an example. small business owners. receiving federal loans to hire and expand their businesses.

you. --erans dennis is will be benefits will be put on hold. these are the painful results of the republican refusal to act responsibly. they walked out of negotiations with the president last year, ignored the president posses deficit reduction plan and his budget, they refused to go to conference on a budget repeatedly and they voted down democrat amendments to replace sequestration. now, when it is time to fulfill our most asic task of funding government operations, republicans push us further to the brink of a government shutdown. anyone who votes to amend the senate bill is voting for a shutdown. republicanthe shutdown proposal. i reserve. -- the gentleman

from kentucky. >> i yield five minutes from the -- to the vice chairman. >> the gentlelady of tennessee is recognized for five minutes. >> thank you. i rise in support of amendment number one and to offer this to the continuing resolution in the bill that is bringing us to the floor tonight and how vital it is we address the funding needs of this nation and how vital it is we do it in a manner of the american people and our cause insurance. they have things repeatedly said is they want to make certain we delay the onset of obamacare. .hat is what we are going to do included in the amendment would taxes inlay of obamacare and delay the

individual mandate. a costly surtax for noncompliance. employerdelay the mandate, the medicaid expansion, the new exchanges and all those subsidies to try to get people to enroll. the dozens of enforcement powers, which obamacare gives to the irs and it would delay the collection of all of your personal instant -- information and data by the navigators and those seeking to put this program into effect with the exchanges. is what this amendment would do. why are we doing this? number one, this is a program that is too expensive. we have seen that already. it has tripled in cost from 800 and $60 billion estimate. up to $2.6 trillion. we know it is making $600 billion in cuts to medicare.

.e know it is not ready people are seeking to be opted out. good for the american people. there have been 19 administrative and presidential delays of this program. there areso learned missed deadlines. we see the impact it is having insurance isals. escalating. of allve missed 47% their deadlines as they have sought to put this into place.

the list goes on and on. what we hear from the american people. rate shock that is out there.

and with my constituents we also have people that are writing in insurance would take more than what we make, and paying our employers. another it's not ready. we are seeing the impacts of delay after delay that is being done by this administration. and what we are saying is it is time as a fairness issue to the american people, delay the whole thing. delay it for a year. continue to work on it. make certain that we listen to the american people and respond to their wish. delay obamacare. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady's time has expired. mrs. lowey: i yield 2 1/2 minutes to the distinguished ranking member on appropriations, ms. delauro of connecticut.

ms. delauro: this amendment is an exercise in deception. it is designed to shut the government down. it drastically underfunds the priorities of the american people and tries yet again to delay families' access to affordable health care. we do not have time. the nonpartisan congressional budget office that the cuts will cost 750,000 jobs. the majority wants to make these

cuts permanent. regardless of the job loss, damage to our economy, our harm to working families across the country and because of the deep cuts enshrined here, 150,000 lose learning from head start. these children never get the opportunity back. labor health and education programs are slashed.

beyond the deep cuts, the republican majority is trying to use the budget process to take the government hostage unless we delay the affordable care act and because of that, americans with pre-existing conditions finally have coverage. women's health is finally on an equal footing. maternity and pediatric care is covered. affordable care act is at last affordable health care for more american families. we stand on the verge of a government shutdown and instead of behaving responsibly of working towards a reasonable compromise, the majority puts their radical ideology above the fundamentals of the american people and it is wrong. and i urge my colleagues to vote

against it. mr. stutzman: and sue subbing 1/6 of our economy to federal control. the american people disagree. they understand that obamacare broke with history and that is exactly the problem here today. and obamacare is based on limitless government, bureaucratic arrogance and disregard of the will of the people. that is why 3 1/2 years ago, washington broke with history.

washington ignored our country's founding principles. back home, the residents of indiana knows what they forgot. and empowers bureaucrats and issues oppressive mandates. obamacare was unpopular three years ago and unpopular three days ahead of its implementation. ms. schakowsky: i rise in strong opposition to the republican amendments that are designed

quite frankly to shut the government down. ms. lee: no secrete that the tea-party republicans came here not as public servants but to destroy our government and they want to destroy and dismantle the affordable care act, which is the law of the land and upheld by the supreme court. this is morally wrong and is lawless, quite frankly, and not to mention that they want to put insurance companies once again back in charge of the health care decisions that should be made by our constituents. this hostage taking must end. mr. speaker, why in the world

would any member of congress want to jeopardize the jobs of our dedicated government workers who provide desperately-needed services to millions of our constituents and who, by the way, have their own families to feed? well, today, the tea party extremists who came here to shut down the government will see their dream come true. these dangerous amendments would hurt children, seniors, families, yes, the most vulnerable and would create havoc and uncertainty in so many lives. but it's their first step to create a country really, quite frankly, based on a

free-for-all, survival of the fittest. that's what happens when there is no government, mr. speaker. we should reject these irresponsible, dangerous and un-american amendments. they will shut down the government and the american people do not deserve this. the speaker pro tempore: the time of the gentlelady has expired. the gentleman from kentucky. mr. rogers: i yield two minutes to the gentleman from georgia, mr. kingston. mr. kingston: we are here on continued debate. number one, health care is 1/6 of the economy. i think that before we turn over 1/6 of the economy to the federal government, we need to be very clear on the path that we're going on and right now, the path is anything but clear. in fact, to quote one of the leading democrat architects, he said it's a train wreck.

to me to continue the debate on obamacare is the proper thing to do. 1/6 of the economy, think about that, mr. speaker. secondly, in terms of health care system, it's still the best health care system in the world. 40% of the medical tourists come to america for procedures and operations. can't say that about any other country. number three, obamacare has failed. two of its objectives, the prime objectives was number one to decrease the cost of health care and number two, to increase the

access. and let's examine those. do you know anyone's health care premium that has decreased this year. i have asked that question many, many times and i have invited people to call my office if their premiums have decreased. i haven't heard from an individual or business. i have heard from constituents. my own daughter, a 0-year-old, went from $170 a month to $270 a month. the costs are not going down. obamacare has failed on that.

number two and very important, the accessibility has not increased. two fortune 500 companies in my home state have announced the following, one says they will no longer cover 15,000 spouses of their employees under their health care. could i have another minute? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. kingston: another fortune 500 company in georgia has announced that 20,000 part-time employees will no longer have company-sponges soared health care. i talked to one man who has a

start-up business and got to 2 employees and he said i quit growing. not only am i concerned about obamacare, but the cost of ork organization, but i don't know how it's going to be implemented and i don't know the rules of it. this debate is well worth having and i would say to our democrat friends whether you voted for it or not, it's not a matter of

philosophy but admitting it is a mistake to go on with obamacare. it has not decreased the cost and not increased the access of health care and before we say good-bye to the best health care in the world and turning it over to the federal government, we need to stop and retool and start all over. it is the right thing to do to fund the government, avoid the shutdown, but not to fund obamacare. . 10:15. 10:15 my friend, mr. rogers, talked about responsibility, we ought to be responsible. and i believe that on the republican side of the aisle,

there are at least 150 members who believe that we ought to be responsible, that believe that this constant hardshipping on the affordable care act, which was the central part of the lacks election and you will want to deny the fact that elections make a difference. and one of the speakers got up and said, this mandate is unconstitutional. so he also wants to deny the fact that the supreme court of the united states has specifically said it is constitutional. but it doesn't comport with your view, and therefore you have rejected it as you have rejected

the results of the election. mr. speaker, as the representative of 316 million americans, we have a special obligation to see past the politics of the moment and embrace the spirit of cooperation for the sake of the public good, not our good, not

our politics, not a single one of us is here because we were thought to be the best at doing nothing or saying no. each of us was sent here because our neighbors believe we have something positive to contribute, that we can do what is right for our country. may i have one additional minute? not for our politics, but for our country and for our people. we have a matter of days, but hours left to prevent our government from shutting down. a shutdown is not a tactic, it's not a strategy, it is a failure for this country. let us not be a country whose retttives cannot work together

to fulfill the most basic functions of government. our colleagues across the aisle voted over 40 times to derail obamacare without success. when do you say enough is enough? let us move on responsibly to make government work. at your level. the president said he would sign at your level, not a negotiated level, but at your level. you've won, but you can't take yes for an answer. the senate rejected it, as they

will reject this new attempt. instead now is a time to try a different approach. let this house, not just a small faction of the house -- can i have an additional 0 seconds -- which i tell my republican friends, you ought to reject and say enough is enough. you have had your votes. you lost. let us live up to the responsibility that our founders instilled in this great people's house and continue to be the democracy that is the envy of the world.

let us make sure that when people look at america, they look at america as a country that works, an america that can be united and an america that believes the motto. and i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the chair would remind members to address their remarks to the chair. the gentleman from kentucky reserves his time. the gentlelady from new york. mrs. lowey: i'm pleased to yield three minutes to the distinguished ranking member of the ways and means committee, mr. levin. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for three minutes. mr. levin: i urge we need to pause to consider the real meaning of what's happening tonight. this is more than about a vote or two. i think this is a fateful

occasion. it signifies this. the republican party in the house is being thoroughly radicalized. there are republicans cheering, as the u.s. ship of state goes over the cliff. the house republican colleague of ours as report the -- reported today. i do believe republicans will be blamed. there are some, i think, would relish a showdown. i think that's unfortunate. it's worse than unfortunate. it's historically reckless and radical. this is an eventful, and i think shameful night for the republican party in the house of representatives. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. the gentleman from kentucky reserves. the gentlelady from new york. mrs. lowey: i'm pleased to yield

one minute to the distinguished leader of the steering and policy committee of the house of representatives mr. andrews. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. andrews: permission to

revise and extend my remark. imagine you lived in a town where the mayor and council were fighting over the budget and the mayor said if i don't get my

way, i'm going to stop paying the police department, close the schools, turn off the street lights and not pick up the trash, that mayor would get

recalled by the end of the week. that's what the republican majority is doing tonight. they made it clear they don't like the obamacare. 46 times they made it to repeal it. they are saying to the country, you can either have a country that makes the country run without the affordable care act or can't have a country without a budget that runs.

this is not the way to legislate.

we should have the senate bill on the floor and vote on it. this will surely cause a shutdown of the government. it is an outrage and abandonment of responsibility and all members should oppose. i yield back. --e speaker pro tempore: the

in in afghanistan, where there's still combat activity going on, we've got 60,000 troops, we just provided $ 0 billion for those contingency operations, only $10 billion is for military personnel. of the remaining $70 billion, that's what pays for fuel, for food, for our troops. it pays for the supplies that they need. pays for the ammunition. it pays for the maintenance of their equipment, the trucks and the like, pays for their combat equipment. i mean, if we could get away with providing for our national

security by just paying our troops, seems to me we would, because that's only about 10% of the budget. but you can't send troops out there unless you're prepared to ay for their food, their fuel, their equipment, their weapons, the maintenance of their eapons, etc. obviously we need backup troops to replace them, and so there's ongoing training exercises. those training exercises are not covered, and it will shut down. we won't fund the ammunition that are always in use in preparing our troops to take the place of those troops who

are in combat. i would suggest that this bill, this kind of supplemental amendment doesn't do what it ill claim to do. we talk about the fact we want to protect veterans, and veterans, regular benefits will go out, but the personnel charged with claims processing will not be able to go to work. and so those veterans returning from the past 12 years of combat will not be able to process their applications. we're making progress on the v.a. claims back log. hat will come to a halt. my point is there are untold ramifications, untold adverse consequences to what we are

doing this weekend. by not passing what we know would be the definition of a clean c.r. and i'm afraid that that means the government is going to shut down and not only the things that i have mentioned, but hundreds, if not thousands of other adverse consequences are going to start to take effect. that's why i was here in the 990's and 1995, and, you know, the government shut down for six days, and then it shut down for 21 days. and boy, anybody that was here then never wanted to see that happen again. i would hope that we would have learned our lesson. with that i'll conclude my testimony, mr. chairman. >> mr. moran, thank you very much. i appreciate you taking time to be here for us, and i would say to you that the argument that you've given is a great reason why we are doing this on

saturday night to allow the united states senate to evidently reassemble all day sunday and all day monday, and we would hope that they would to that to respond back to us. i think it's probably a great opportunity for the senate to see that based upon what we're trying to do to ensure the united states military, the men and women that protect us, who are in harm's way, who are in combat positions at this time would be taken care of, and i appreciate your testimony. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and i thank the gentleman from virginia. i have no comments, no questions. >> it is what it is, and my hope is that we can avoid the shut down. but again, with this action today, i think it becomes increasingly likely there's going to be a shut shutdown,

and i regret that very much. >> mr. bishop? judge hastings, no questions. the gentleman from georgia. >> just a word of thanks. i know your concerns about national security even when we are successful at preventing this shutdown. many of those concerns will continue to exist because of quer, and we'll have another opportunity to solve those. this isn't just a discussion for october 1. this is a discussion that faces our men and women in uniform every day of the week, and we can do better. thank you, mr. chairman. yield back. >> the ranking members now come back, and i wanted to provide her with the c.b.o. letter that was provided us some time ago concerning the bill and the estimate thereto. >> my concern that is the

divide. >> that is right there. i showed that to the gentleman, but he deferred to you on that. i can read the quick summary if ou like. >> this would increase the deficit by $2.2 billion in 2013 and $3.2 billion over the 2013 -2017, a five-year period. but there is no offset. > there is none. they would reduce revenues by

$21.9 billion between 10 years in 2012 and 2022. the entire reduction would result in budget revenues and procedure to apply. i was concerned about whether that was there. ok. >> the gentlewoman, does she wish to have -- >> i would like to insert that in the record. >> without objection. >> i'm struck by the fact there are two different c.b.o. scores. and those are old letters. so, again, one is june 4, 2012. one is june 5. >> 2012? > that would be correct. my understanding, my procedure was when we have a measure that deals with that kind of money that we do have c.b.o..

>> i believe what we have counted on is that it would not be offset, that we would rely on -- >> the likelihood is it would have gone up. > and the likelihood is that it was a estimate that was done at the time, and i can't tell you if there are changes to those articles or not. we'll enter those into the record. and i promise to stay after this. >> well, i'd like also into the record that these are more than a year old. >> without objection. i would like to state that this is june 4 -- >> but they were only -- not in conjunction with the c.r. >> that's right. that would be correct. >> well, i think that needs to be made clear as well. we'll figure out these scores later, but the question is how much you're willing to add to

the deficit. that's the question. >> certainly a lot. >> and i think that's the answer we were trying to get a handle on, but hopefully maybe we'll invite them to the floor. >> you know what? you're exactly correct. if you're on the side of the i.r.s. collecting money, but if you're on the side of paying this, the harm that it does to business and this dynamic industry that helps with the medical devices that makes them available for people, which is what republicans are on, then we just have a different opinion. >> well, i didn't engage in those private negotiations that were not done in public. >> i think they were. >> the issue is not whether you approve of the source of revenue. the question is, when you take

it away, you add to the deficit. >> i don't think there's any question that the answer that we know is it will reduce the amount of revenue that comes into the government. it will increase the deficit, and it will not be -- >> please let me yield -- >> just to follow the logic, then we should all agree that the amount of that was going to be revenue coming in to the treasury are you is now, if this measure were to become law, not going to be coming into the treasury are you. and it was $30 billion, then we should all be able to agree that there's a $30 billion deficit. >> in fact, i would say that, if you look at the june 4, it's one amount. if you look at the june 5, it ays it's $3.2 billion over a

four-year period of time. >> reclaiming my time. it helped to pay for the affordable care act. >> well, we've taken out $70 billion that was in another section of the bill that was incapable with $70 billion, and we did that without batting an eyelash, so perhaps $3 billion. >> i think 29. >> it depends which one you read. i'm confused, too. i would expect you to do that. is there further discussion from the gentlewoman? >> nope. thank you. >> do you have any questions? is there anyone on this side that has questions for the gentleman? >> thank you very much. we appreciate you taking the time. you're now excused. the hearing portion of hr-3210 is now closed, and the chairman would be in receipt of a motion from the gentlewoman from north

carolina, the vice chairman of the committee. gentlewoman is recognized. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i move the committee find consideration. the rule provides that the senate amendment and motion shall be considered addressed through an order against the motion. the rule provides the question of adoption of the motion shall be divided between the two ouse amendments. this pays our military action. the rule provides 40 minutes to debate and control the chair, and ranking minority member of the committee on appropriations.

the rule was also against consideration of the bill and provides that it shall be considered addressed. the rules provide one motion. >> you've now heard the motion from the gentlewoman. i'll defer to myself for some explanation. this provides a motion to concur in the senate amendment to the c.r. it provides a single period of one hour of debate on all amendments. it will be an amendment offered by the gentleman from minnesota. house number two will be an amendment offered by the woman from tennessee, mrs. blackburn. the rule allows for a separate vote. the rule also provides consideration of h.r. 3210 related to military pay. the measure will be debate for 20 minutes. the minority will have a motion to recommit. with that said, is there an amendment to the motion?

those opposed, no. mr. bishop, mr. cole. mr. cole. mr. woodall. mr. nugent. mr. webster. mr. burgess, aye. ms. slaughter, no. mr. mcgovern, no. mr. hastings. >> mr. chairman, we didn't have a discussion, and i'm want going to take long to say just what i want to say before voting no, and that is that you all are making much of the fact that you don't want to shut down, yet you're doing the exact thing that is going to cause a shutdown. i find that extreme. anyway, no.

>> mr. hastings, no. mr. polis, no. mr. chairman, aye. >> i would like to say that if i did not clearly ask for any amendment for discussion, and i pologize, i thought i had. i want to make sure i offer fairness, thank you. the amendment will be myself. i will be on the floor in just a few minutes. the gentlewoman, the ranking member. the gentlewoman is recognized. >> i would think that we're going to be a little bit -- i believe that there will be a --

i'm sorry. yes. as always, in the filing, i'm sure you remember this. paperwork has to be together. as soon as that's gone, we'll go down and follow the rules. i would anticipate some period of time, and as soon as we get out of here, i'm sure that miles will be quickly with a guesstimate of that. that's a very good question. at this time, i know of no further meetings that i'm scheduling at this time. it is my expectation that i will stay here in washington and would be in this committee, that's on 24 hours' notice. i thank the gentleman. further questions by anyone on the committee. hearing is now closed. [captioning performed by national captioning institute]

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they spoke shortly before floor debate occurred on two amendments to the bill, as well as debate on a separate bill that would pay military service members in the event of a shutdown. their remarks are 20 minutes. >> ok. let's go ahead and begin. my name is javier, i'm the chairman of the democratic caucus. we have held another caucus meeting this saturday evening, september 28, t minus essentially two days and counting where it appears that republicans have decided to move forward with their plan to shut down the government. so here we are.

it looks like it's a case of a very deep and intense family feud within the republican party here in the house of representatives, where the tail is wagging the elephant, and the folks who are going to get hurt are the american people and certainly the middle class if basic government services are shut down because of a political feud. but that seems to be where we're going. it seems that there are some people who are intent on putting party before country and letting our budget for the federal government not move forward so we can keep the doors of all those government services open, whether it's for seniors or for our veterans or for young families who use the services through head start and other programs to make sure they go to work. it seems like we're moving in

the direction, the republican direction of shutting down the government. i think it was albert einstein who said it best. doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is probably the best way to define insanity. and on the evening of september 28, i think we find ourselves with a very clear definition of insanity. i don't see how we can continue to keep our middle class growing, how we can continue to believe it will remain strong, how we can continue to tell those in the middle class that we can provide their kids with the promise of a better future if we continue to create these manufactured crises, which close the doors of government, perhaps even in the next week or two, jeopardize the full faith and credit of the united states. it seems odd. but i want to make -- sort of

crystallize what's going on here. republicans are complaining that our president has not negotiated with them on this legislation, which is supposed to be a budget bill, but republicans have turned it into a bill where they can attach ll sorts of things, aspects of their republican agenda, their conservative agenda, especially the repeal of the health security law that's now in place. the republicans are prepared to shut down the government, and we are on the floor tonight to vote for the 45th time to repeal, in whole or in part, the health security law that on october 1 will extend access to quality health insurance to millions of americans. and perhaps the oddest aspect of this is they continue to complean that they're not getting enough attention from the president to negotiate on this republican bill, is that

never once did our republican colleagues here in the house approach democrats on what to do in this bill, what to include in this bill that's going to be on the floor in a matter of hours for us to debate. and so while they talk about compromise and negotiation, they ignore 201, 200 representatives in the house of representatives who represent tens of millions of people in this country, and so i think albert einstein is right. when you keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect different results, and we've seen the republicans threaten the shut down of government several times, we've seen them walk away from opportunities to negotiate with the president and democrats, they keep doing it over and over again, and i think albert einstein is right, that is the definition of insanity. and that's why, on a saturday evening, at about 8:00 at night, on september 28, less than three days from watching republicans shut down the

government, we're voting on another bill that would lead us in that direction. with that, i will yield to our vice chairman, and we're lucky to be joined by one of our colleagues from new jersey, who is the co-chairman of the steering and policy committee for the house democrats, rob andrews, after our vice chairman speaks. joe? >> thank you, javier. s it 45? 46, 45? i've lost couldn't. i think most americans have lost count as well. and quite frankly, i don't think they care anymore how many times you attempt to repeal the health security bill known as the affordable care act that we have in place. what they do know is that failure to pass a c.r. will bring about a shutdown in government. that's what the american people understand tonight. what frustrates them, what frustrates us, is that the republicans continue to use the

issue of health security and the hatred for the affordable care act and their intention to repeal it, they're using that issue to shut down government. that is the main objective. that is the big hostage, and they're not letting go. and who suffers as a result of that? the american people. it continues to show over and over again, unfortunately, that the dysfunctional that is in washington is not in the congress, but it is within the republican caucus itself. i can't say anymore i feel bad for john boehner. he's a decent man. that's not the point. the reality is their caucus is dysfunctional, and they cannot function, and the government cannot function because of their dysfunctionality. they need to get their act together. they need to put a bill on the

floor, a clean bill to continue the government, a c.r. to continue government. that's it. and the reality is that no matter how many gimmicks we put into the bill, how many amendments and how many gimmicks there are in the bill, a vote on this bill tonight in favor is a vote to shut down government. that's what it is. because they know once it gets to the senate it will not be taken up. it has been rejected over and over and over again, because we're not going backwards, we're going forward. we're not repealing the affordable care act, we're going forward and implementing it, their greatest fear. so our message is to the republican caucus, get your act together, get a c.r. on the floor that is clean so we can move on with governing. with that, i'll turn the microphone over to rob andrews of new jersey. >> thank you, joe. thank you, javier. it is virtually certain that on tuesday morning, the united states government will not open. we'll be shut down.

it is absolutely certain that american taxpayers will keep paying for the government on tuesday morning. the house republicans are about to shut down the government, but doesn't shut down the obligation of the americans to pay taxes for services they're no longer receiving. how do we get to this point? their presidential nominee in 2008, senator mccain, said it was insanity to shut the government down over the healthcare law. their presidential nomination of last year, governor romney, said it was wholey ineffective to shut the government down over the healthcare law. 2/3 of the republicans in the united states senate refuse to use their votes to shut the government down over the healthcare law. but an avid minority within the house majority is running the show. some have suggests that senator cruz is now the de facto speaker of the house of representatives.

now, the question is not if we are eventually going to adopt a clean resolution. the question is when. it is absolutely clear that a continuing resolution that injures or repeals the healthcare bill will never pass the united states senate and would never receive the president's signature if it did. the votes that our republican friends are about to cast tonight are votes in favor of a government shutdown. it's more than just a government shutdown. it's a shutdown of the united states economy, because it affects federal employees who won't be earning a paycheck, federal contractors who will find their contracts impaired, and many, many others who depend on that throughout the country's economy. we've had more than three years of consecutive months of job growth in this country. and they're putting that at risk. there's no good reason for it. we should end this charade, get

a clean c.r. on the house floor, pass it, keep the united states government from shutting down. very sadly, very sadly, it appears to me all but certain when the clock strikes midnight on monday, the government will shut down. this is an intentional act by the house republicans. it's an act of extreme malfeasance. e'll take questions. >> the military pay bill, the accompaniment to this, as house republicans say we're going to shut it down. we're not trying -- they're not trying cut it down, why the contingency? >> well, that's right. why else would you pass a bill that says, by the way, in the event the government shuts down, we don't want all our service members to be impacted, so we're going to pass this bill along with our shutdown government bill. i think they're showing their hand, and it's unfortunate

because it's not just our military personnel who will be hurt, certainly they will be hurting their families as well. there are a lot of americans who are going to be impacted by the government shutdown, and it's unfortunate that republicans are trying to cover their bases with a constituency that we always care about, our men and women in uniform and their families. but that's insanity, and i think that's the shameful part of it, is that republicans are essentially telegraphing that they intend to shut government, and the only folks they're going to worry about with the government shutdown are military personnel. retty sad. >> it was the seam routine on the debt ceiling, when the republicans passed the pay china first act. they called it the debt prioritization act. in the event of not raising the debt ceiling, these are the people who will be paid -- or these will be entities paid

irst, including china. different play, but similar actors. if we do shut down government, well, we're going to give you some of the hostages. you can almost see it right now. one dog day afternoon, when they let the hostages go, they run across the street into the arms of the police officers, they're let go, but you're still left with the rest of the hostages. you know, that's unfortunate. but it's the way in which they're operating right now. it's all part of the same play, he same movie. >> we certainly support paying the troops, and we stand by them and their families. but we support all americans being treated justly, and this government shutdown is absolutely unjust. they're tipping their hand. they know it's coming. and this is a fig leaf to try to cover up some of the effects.

>> they support this military c.r. idea. >> we want to pass a budget bill. we said that from the very beginning. put a budget bill on the floor and democrats will vote for it. within way or the other, i mean, some democrats may say no based on what it says, but we'll vote on that. but when you start to play games with the american people through the federal government budget -- and again, a budget that operates as a result of the american people's taxpayer dollars -- you're playing with fire. they've made it very clear. they understand they're playing with fire. that's why they're doing this military bill so that it's not -- it's not as obvious, when all those military families are impacted by a government shutdown, they want to at least avoid that. as mr. andrews just said, we're not interested in picking winners and losers among all americans who are paying their taxes when it's unnecessary

because it's a manufactured crisis by our republican colleagues, who are just engaged in a family feud, and they can't resolve it. they're letting their tea party members govern in a way that impacts all americans, so i think that's extremely sad. >> some members have support repealing the medical device tax. are you concerned about defections on the two obamacare-related amendments? >> i think we've made it very clear. we're not interested in participating in the shutdown of our government and the basic services that would close as a result. and so we're going to look for a bill that lets us vote on a republicans he insist on nothing to do putting in place a budget, then we're not interested in playing that game. as the vice chairman said, this game of hostage taking, we're not interested in.

we want to just do what we were voted and he elected to do, and that is to help run the government with taxpayer thrars in the most responsible way we can. this is irresponsible to say the least, and we hope what we can do is move forward quickly to get this work done, because there are so many other things we have to do. the middle class is waiting to hear what plan we have to get the economy growing even faster. the middle class is waiting to hear what we're doing to tackle the high cost of higher education. there's just so much we need to do. >> we're the cops out in the street. we're not the folks in the bank with the guns holding hostages. that's what they're doing right now. and really, going back to your point about the bill itself, it's a separate bill from the c.r. it will have no impact in terms of preventing a shut goun shutdown if the bill is passed in the house of representatives. so they can try all the gimmicks they want. at the end of the day, what

this is about is shutting down the government. i wish it wasn't the case. i wish we had more time. we're heading very closely to the 11th hour, and as mr. andrews said, i think many of us believe that if they don't act responsibly, the government will indeed shut down. >> it sounds like you feel that a shutdown is inevitable at this point. do you envision any scenario where there's a last-minute reprieve here? the only inevitability is that the american people will suffer the consequences of a very dangerous political game through a manufactured, a man-made crisis. could we avoid this situation where americans will suffer the consequence of their government shutting down for political reasons? absolutely.

you can bring up the senate-passed bill as it was, stripped of most of the game playing that republicans included the first time when they passed it earlier. we could have taken care of this yesterday. we could have taken care of this months ago. if the republican colleagues wish to negotiate on any number of these items, as the president has said, and we have all said, we're prepared to sit down and negotiate, but not with a gun to the head of the american people saying we're going to shut down government unless you give us what we want. absolutely this can be resolved, but that's up to republicans. >> i want to emphasize a couple of things that i think would be universally acknowledged in candor here. it is going to be nearly midnight saturday when this process tonight is finished. as i understand the senate reid can senator

move quite quickly to strike the provisions the house is adding to this bill. and when the senate reasemples, he will. and it's my anticipation that the senate, because it has made clear where it stands, will stand there again and send the clean c.r. back. so this is really just a trailer for the movie you're going to see in a number of certain hours. but i don't think it's very likely that all happens just before midnight on monday, just the way things work around here. we all know the end of this story. the president is going to sign a clean c.r. don't t know we just know when it's going to happen. the sad part is a lot of innocent people are going to be hurt in the process. a lot of people are not part of this political dogfight. they're going to be dragged into it. what we're saying is, let's cut the drama. put the senate bill on the house floor tonight without the amendments. let the majority work its will.

and i'm confident if that would happen, there would nobody government shutdown. but i think in candor, they'd really tell you the same thing. when the clock strikes midnight on monday, the place is shutting down. >> can i just close with this remark? quoted remark -- i quoted einstein, who accomplished great things and talked about the definition of insanity. let me give you the quote of a conservative commentator, p.j. o'rourke. he said, not that long ago, republicans run for office claiming that government doesn't work. then they get elect and prove it. -- then they get elected and prove it. this is one of those moments where it's hard to believe, if it weren't so serious, it would be absurd. but that's where we are. and we are ready to vote, to pass a budget, as we've been ready, and we hope our republican colleagues will stop their internal political

feuding and give the american people a chance to see their representatives and vote for a clean bill to continue to move forward our government and not shut it down. thank you all very much. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] >> after that briefing the house debated and passed two amend ams to the federal spending bill meant to fund the federal government past the deadline of september 30. the first of those amendments was a measure that did away with the tax currently imposed on medical device manufacturers, which passed with a vote of 248-174. the other amendment, delayed implementation of the healthcare law by one year. that passed with a vote of 231-192. next is a debate on both of those amendments that preceded the final vote.

the house passed a version of this bill last friday. the senate amended it, sent it back to us to consider once again. the motion before us afreeze to

the senate amendments with two further amendments, one delaying obamacare for a year and one repealing the medical device tax. included are three changes that i've requested. the first changes the date back to the house past end date of the c.r. of december 15. to give us more time to pass the fiscal 2014 appropriations bill. i've been flexible on this issue from the very beginning. but this longer time frame will help us avoid the potential need for another c.r. in the interim. the second change would make a technical change to an anonlee for the eisenhower commission added by the senate. this change will simply continue the status quo of a hold on that project.

and finally, the third will add a new anomaly to extend the authority for the united states to issue special emigrant visas for the length of the c.r. this authority is necessary to ensure that the visas continue for iraqis to who assists the u.s. during the war, many of whom put their lives on the line to do so. it's become clear that since this c.r. was first introduced that this new provision has wide, bipartisan support. mr. speaker, one of our primary jobs as members of congress is to provide our people with important programs and services only the federal government can provide. and toen sure that these services are available. this bill does that. however, it's also our

responsibility to address the nation's fiscal challenges head on with a realistic and pragmatic approach that will allow for attainable solutions. with a debt ceiling looming, a fragile economy in recovery, and the threat of additional draconian sequestration cuts that will gut our national defense, it's essential that we come together to find common ground. one side cannot do it alone. and inaction or failure on these crucial issues could lead to disastrous results for our people and our nation for years to come. let me take a moment now to remind us all of just a few of the consequences if the government were to shut down. our troops will not be paid,

and national security will be put at risk. our borders will weaken. our most vulnerable citizens, the elderly, and our veterans, may not get the assistance they rely upon. our businesses facing great uncertainty will take a hit. our economy will suffer. we must also act as protective partners to keep the nation safe, provide our people with essential services, rein in unsustainable entitlement programs and secure a responsible and realistic federal budget. and remust remember that we do this not just for ourselves and our districts, but we do it for the nation as a whole.

i hope that today, with the countdown to shutdown clocks tick ago way, my colleagues will understand that financeding the government is one of those essential duties. i ask you to vote yes on this continuing resolution. i reserve. >> the gentlelady from new york is recognized. >> mr. speaker, i yield myself such time as i may consume to discuss the majorities. >> the jenltslady from new york is recognized for as much time as she may consume. >> the bill of the house is considering tonight takes yet another step towards total dysfunction. instead of working with democrats to prevent a shutdown, the majority has gotten even more extreme by writing a bill that has no chance at becoming law and will be the 43rd vote on repealing or undermining the affordable care act.

while the old saying goes, if at first you don't succeed, try and try again, i say to my colleagues across the aisle tonight, stop trying. you will not succeed in giving our medical choices back to the insurance companies and keeping health insurance costs too high for too many families. and it continues the republican war on women by allowing a woman's gore determine what faith and legal health services she can access. the bill of the senate returned to the house would not increase spending, but one provision within the jurisdiction would cost $30 billion. the majority is wasting time as we get closer and closer to a shutdown, because we all know this bill will not dead on arrival in the senate. here's a sample of what the house majority shutdown will do. small business owners will stop receiving federal loans to hire

and expand their businesses. the national institutes of health will stop receiving new patients. veterans benefits will be disrupted and housing loans for middle-class families will be put on hold. these are the painful results of the republicans' refusal to act responsibly. they walked out of negotiations with the president last year. they i go noticed the president's deficit reduction plan in his budget. they refused to go to conference on a budget resolution, and they repeatedly voted down democrat amendments to replace sequestration. and now, when it's time to fulfill our most basic task of financeding government operations, republicans push us further to the brink of a shutdown. anyone who votes to amend the senate bill is voting for a shutdown. vote no on the republican shutdown proposal. i reserve. >> gentlelady reserves her time. gentleman from kentucky. >> mr. speaker, i yield five

minutes to the vice chairman of the energy and commerce committee of the house, gentlelady from nashville, tennessee. >> the gentlelady from tennessee is recognized. how vital it is we address the funding needs of this nation and how vital it is we do it in a manner that is respectful of the american people and of our constituents. one of the things they have repeatedly said is they want to make certain that we delay the onset of obamacare. and that is what we are going to do. now, included in the amendment would be the delay of the 20 new taxes of obamacare. it would delay the individual

mandate and the costly surtax for noncompliance. it would delay the employer man death, the medicaid expansions, the new exchanges and all those subsidies to try to get people to enroll. it would delay the dozens of enforcement powers which obamacare gives to the i.r.s., and it would delay the collection of all your personal information and data by the navigators and those seeking, seeking to put this program into effect with the exchanges. so that is what this amendment would do. now, why are we doing this? number one, this is a program that is too expensive to afford. we have seen it already. it has tripled in cost from its $860 billion estimate. it is up to $2.6 trillion. we know that it is making $600

billion in cuts in medicare. we know that it is not ready for primetime. there have been 1,200 waivers given to this program. people that are friends of the administration that have gone seeking to be opted out, it's not good for the american people. there have been 19 administrative and presidential delays of this program. we also have learned that there are missed deadlines. we see the impact that it's having our hospitals. they're laying off people. hospital doors are closing. jobs are being lost. insurance costs are escalating. they have missed 47% of all their deadlines as they have sought to put this into place, and the list goes on and on.

but most important is what we hear from our constituents. what we hear from the american people, the rate shock that is out there. and with my constituents, i have a small business owner who wrote me this week, her insurance cost is going up five times. five times over what it is right now. a teacher with a husband and two children, 105%. we also have people that are writing in, and they're talking about how disappointed they are. they had a plan they liked, but they can't keep it now. one that said, look, our insurance would cost more than what we make. we would be paying our employers $71.50. another who said they blocked their insurance -- they lost their insurance. the reason they were given,

obamacare, discontinued due to obamacare. his is what we're hearing from our constituents. parents of children, a family, a child, type one diabetes, they need those reimbursement accounts. they're being cut, cut in half. they're not able to keep that. and employers are seeing their out of pocket expense go up. you know what that amounts to? r this family, it's a $7,600 pay cut. so what we do has come to the floor tonight to say it's not ready, we are seeing the impact of delay after delay that is being done by this administration. and what we are saying is it is time as a fairness issue to the american people, delay the

whole thing. delay it for a year. continue to work on it. make certain that we listen to the american people and respond to their wish. delay obamacare. i yield back. >> gentlelady from new york. >> i am pleased to yield 2 1/2 minutes to the distinguished ranking member on appropriations, connecticut. >> the jenltslady from connecticut is recognized for 2 1/2 minutes. >> let me begin by quoting sir walter scott. what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. this amendment is an exercise in deception. it is designed to shut the government down. it drastically underfunds the financed mental priorities of the american people, and it tries yet again to delay

families' access to affordable healthcare. we do not have time for this sort of recklessness. the nonpartisan congressional budget office, federal reserve chairman ben bernanke warned us that the automatic across the as d cuts could cost us much as 750,000 jobs in 2013. majority wants to make these cuts permanent, regardless of the job loss, damage to our economy, or harm to working families across the country. and because of the deep cuts enshrined here, over 57,000 children lose access to early learning through head start. these children never get that opportunity back. the biomedical research that saved lives is being curtailed, delayed, or lost. educational programs are sharply reduced for over a million of our most disadvantaged kids, even though one in five children currently live in poverty. hundreds of thousands of adults

are losing access to job training. while seniors lose out on meals. mental health programs are being gutted. and with this funding, labor, health, and education programs are slashed 17%. beyond the deep cuts, the republican majorities once again are trying to use the budget process to take the government hostage unless we delay the affordable care act. and because of the affordable care act, americans with preexisting conditions finally have coverage. women's health is final on the an equal footing. maternity and pediatric care is covered. preventive care can be obtained with no out of pocket cost. the doughnut hole is closing for seniors. young people stay on their parents' plan. it empowers patients and doctors, and yes, insurance companies no longer can make the decision about whether or not you will get health insurance or not get it.

the affordable care act is at last affordable healthcare for more american families. we stand on the verge of a government shutdown, and instead behaving responsibly of working towards a reasonable compromise, the majority continues to put their personal radical i hadology above the fundamental priorities in the american people. this is wrong, and i urge my colleagues to vote against it. i yield back. >> gentleman from kentucky. >> mr. speaker, i yield one minute to the gentleman from indiana. >> the gentleman from indiana is recognized for one meant. >> thank you, mr. speaker. 3 1/2 years ago, many stood in this chamber claiming to have made history by overhauling our nation's healthcare laws and subjecting 1/6 of our economy to federal control. the american people disagreed. they understand that obamacare broke with history, and that's exactly the problem here today. when government mandates that

every american buy insurance established by bureaucrats and threatens to severely tax them if they don't, that is unconstitutional mandate. this country was founded on the principles of limited government, personal responsibility, and consent of the governed. but obamacare is based on limitless government. bureaucratic arrogance, and a disregard of the will of the people. that is why 3 1/2 years ago washington broke with history. washington ignored our country's founding principles. back home, hoosiers still know what this town forgot. they know that their freedom diminishes when government raises taxes, empowers bureaucrats, and issues oppressive mandates. that's exactly why obamacare was unpopular three years ago and it is unpopular three days ahead of its implementation. >> time of the gentleman has expired. gentlelady from new york.

>> i'm pleased to yield two minutes to the gentlelady from california. >> thank you. i want to thank the gentlelady for yielding. i rise in strong opposition to the republican amendments that are designed, quite frankly, to shut the government down. it's no secret that the tea party republicans came here not as public servants, but to destroy and decimate our government and to add insult to injury, they want to destroy and dismantle the affordable care act, which is the law of the land and was upheld by the supreme court. this is morally wrong and is lawless, quite frankly. and not to mention that they want to put insurance companies once again back in charge of the healthcare decisions that should be made by our constituents. this hostage taking must end. mr. speaker, why in the world would any member of congress want to jeopardize the jobs of our dedicated government

workers who provide desperately needed services to millions of our constituents and who, by the way, have their own families to feed? today, the tea party extremists who their dream come true. these dangerous amendments would hurt children, seniors, families, yes, the most vulnerable and would create havoc and uncertainty in so many lives. but it's their first step to create a country really, quite frankly, based on a free-for-all, survival of the fittest. that's what happens when there is no government, mr. speaker. we should reject these irresponsible, dangerous and un-american amendments. they will shut down the government and the american people do not deserve this. the speaker pro tempore: the time of th