deputy national security adviser for counterterrorism talks about the recent nairobi mall attack in anda and the concert and -- the security concerns it raises in the u.s.. >> this is a program that is too expensive to afford. we have seen it already. trillion.o $2.6 we know that it is making $600 billion in cuts to medicare, we know that it is not ready for prime time. >> we ought to be responsible. and i believe that on the republican side of the aisle there are at least 150 members who believe that we ought to be responsible, at believe that this constant harping on the affordable care act, which was

the central part of the last election, and you want to deny the fact that elections make a difference. ♪ >> and so with that after a late-night session in the house, lawmakers voted to pass a bill that would keep the government funded past tomorrow, but house republicans attached a one-year delay to the affordable care act and repeal of a tax on those medical devices that help to fund the health care law. it is a measure that the senate democratic leader harry reid says he won't consider. something the white house said the president will veto. with all of that, the federal for ament is headed possible shutdown. the house returns tomorrow morning at 10:00 eastern time. the senate is back tomorrow afternoon and as the deadline looms, any agreement needs to be in place before midnight of thee portions

government will be game to close their doors. we welcome your calls. you can also join us on social media. send us a tweet or on facebook at facebook outcome/c-span. our e-mail address is journal at c-span.org. this is a headline this morning from the open quote washington post." washington march relentlessly toward its first federal shutdown in years. speaker john boehner agreed to conservative demands to use to government funding tool to press the attack on the president's health care law, often referred to as obamacare. this headline from mcclatchy newspapers.

the senate won't budge, the shutdown looms. part of the exchange focused on the health care law. >> you say the president is threatening to veto the bill ? ckl you say he is drawn a red line? -- you say he has drawn a red line? >> i think he's very serious about this. it is not just about him, it is about a lot of people who are

entitled to healthcare in this country who are now in jeopardy of not getting it if this were to prevail. >> the exchange from the house rules committee earlier from the exchange on saturday. lawmakers wrapping up business past midnight this morning and the house back tomorrow morning at 10:00 eastern time. we will take your calls and comments on all of this with a day left before a government shutdown. good morning. >> i'm trying to figure out how you are all trying to shut down the government and fire all these people but we still have problems in the u.s. and you all are sending jobs over to the other side, like other countries and other things. i am trying to figure out what else is going to be done about this. host: ok. we will go to jail in freehold, new jersey. >> good morning, i knew what was coming with obamacare.

i knew the goal was to kill off anybody white over 65. and thatrance in this networking is going on, we are going to be taxed. democratspeople that used to be one, when they voted for him, they voted for socialism and communism. and to have all their rights stripped away. gail from freehold, new jersey. all those events have been posted on our website. you can check them out anytime at c-span.org. in a statement issued yesterday from senate democratic leader harry reid, here is part of what he had to say,

that statement from the senate democratic leader. steve is joining us from florida. this. oughts on all of caller: i'm 49 years old and i have health insurance. i pay for it. i have not seen any increase in premiums. actually i got a rebate check. i think this is the greatest debate in american history. i think it is not about healthcare. i think that the two-party system needs to be abolished.

that these guys need to fight it out and do their job and it is good that they're working on saturday because they didn't work for a month and a half. i think that these guys need to in the american way. the i mean by that is bothrats and republicans set your mentoring and where the lines are drawn, the american people need to stand up and find a third-party somehow that can get this thing done because i guarantee the government is going to shut down. host: steve, thanks for the call.

reprinting a statement from senator reid who called the vote-getter pointless. now with that vote in place and the senate willing to take up the house version. let me just go through some the agencies and departments. nasa would furlough about 97% of its employees, the epa would furlough 94%, the labor department 82%, the interior department 81% including ali national parks. the treasury 80% would be for load.

-- would be for load -- furlough ed. joining us from seattle washington, good morning. caller: thank you very much. my comment in regard to this whole thing, and i think what this whole bickering is about, i think if the government shuts down tomorrow evening at midnight, you can guarantee that the republicans will be held fully responsible for it. basically, they will be held for causing what you said. they're going to lose their jobs over this. it is nothing funny. basically, what i do believe that harry reid said is true. we are not going to be blackmailed. we're going to get this job done and get it done now.

the government shuts down, the republicans will get blamed for every bit of it. ok, thanks for the call. we are looking at the "new york which statistics about departments will be impacted by the potential shutdown. you can e-mail us at journal at c-span.org. next call is from katina joining us from panama city, florida. good morning. caller: i think it is a foolish decision to have the government shutdown. i am a mom, i have two children. i have asthma. i've seen the prices even just for medication prednisone. that ofus in complete paying any medical bills.

i think it is fullest because when you shutdown government people who need to pay their co- access to do that if they lose pay and money. are they trying to hold back are theychecks? willing to take their paychecks and so them in the trash at the same time they do that to our? i . whenhink it is right for yo you hold the government hostage --host: host: gaveling in shortly after 540 -- after 5:40 eastern time. remarks by members of congress including this from democratic representative. >> we are debating a continuing regiment resolution, a budget.

we we cannot you do government open unless we delay a repeal the affordable care act. by the congress. the president was reelected. we think the affordable care act will help more americans get affordable health insurance the republicans don't agree, so they should campaign on it in the next election. if they can get the votes come lectin of senators, etc. then repeal it. that is not what they're doing. they're blackmailing the country . their singular shutdown the government or worse. this is not democratic comic it

is like a 1930s gangster film. host: lawmakers are back tomorrow. back to :00 in the afternoon. the "l.a. times." "boston sunday globe", and in the state newspaper in south carolina, how the shutdown would hurt south carolina residents. independent line. your thoughts on all of this. caller: good morning and good morning, america.

whole thought is respect for the constitution. question to speaker boehner is it he suggested bill at the .ast last night, to the senate they really have no dog in this fight. the people have spoken. i think we should move forward

and see what happens next. host: thanks for the call. our twitter account. is the covergure story from cq weekly. former house speaker newt gingrich has called deja vu what shutdowns fast approaching. conservatives are preaching a new narrative. last time the gop pushed a government shutdown, some found political disaster, others saw victory. the cover story from "cq weekly."

[indiscernible] caller: if you shut the government down, you don't get paid. people who get laid off or furloughed don't get paid. fair, it is not right. we live in a democracy. how can that happen? from one of our viewers, the insurance companies will be the ones that make the money off of this mess. house gop is touch the stove

moment. that story from politico.com. joining us from fort worth, texas. caller: i think the democrats

are doing what they always do and they are holding a bright shiny object out there for us to look at instead of the real are not ah is doctors commodity and that is the real issue here. they're not an apple you can pluck off the tree and sell, but that is what they're trying to do their it all the insurance in the world won't do anybody any good if there are no doctors. there aren't enough of them now. this bill is making the doctors decide they're not going to be doctors anymore. they're the ones that decide they're going to be a doctor. they are not a commodity to sell. what they're doing is making it so we will not have any doctors except people who aren't .ualified

doctors are the ones that did the work. they're the ones that should get the money instead of the ones that care. our government doesn't care. as far as i'm concerned, they no longer have my consent to govern. time for the constitution, but i'm not for the people that are ruining it because they are doing it for themselves. i hope the military comes home and guards us from them. that is my comment. there is this from stand on our twitter page. he says it seems like a shutdown is the only way the government employees can share the unemployment rate that the rest of us are living with. you can join us on twitter at c- span wj, or join us on facebook.

robert is turning us on our independent line from illinois. good morning. good morning, c-span. america's original fair and balanced network. i love c-span. sayingnt obama has been pay for the bills we have already racked up. i want to know when the democrats are going to get serious about paying down the nearly 17 trillion we owe and make some serious cuts. ok.: robert?everything, have the think we will

republicans to thank when this is all over. we will turn back the affordable care act kurds thanks, steve. we will be joined in about 20 minutes. back, theate comes headline seemed to indicate this morning, looming for a possible shutdown. our stories are available in a number of and news sites. congressman eyesight gets touchy with the press.

congressman iselin on to say i will not accept from anybody the assumption. caller: yes, the reason why i am calling is because i am from kentucky. i am also in mitch mcconnell's district. that mitchve mcconnell is the of all of this that is going on. i believe that if we all come and the gop for

harassment and denial forhose individuals who needed. and for also calling names to the individuals who also received public assistance, ,ocial security, disability veterans benefits and all of that. mr. assmann, harassment on the mental stress of individuals who are suffering from cancer, heart disease, all of that. host: ok, thanks for the call. tuesday is the start of the exchanges and people can begin to sign up. there a number of headlines related to that story.

next is charging us from the state of new jersey. good morning, charles. this letter is from horizon blue ands shield of new jersey theirou and you and i and now.and you and you will

caller: if you don't take action before december 31 time you will lose your coverage. this was a shocker. i have had this coverage for .uite a number of years guess that the promise of being able to keep your insurance coverage and keep your primary care physician is out the window.

in california which has more uninsured residents than any other state in the country, california executive director expected said he

exactly two people to sign up for exchange is beginning on tuesday in the state of california. joining us from pennsylvania, independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. this is ridiculous. i don't know why we have to go through this every time. you know john boehner is going to introduce a clean continuing resolution to keep the government open. i know that he is going to do it and liberty knows he eventually is going to do it. why do we have to go through this tackle i didn't understand what people were talking about when they were saying this is kabuki theater. now i completely understand. nothing is going to get accomplished but it will cost american people a lot of money to do the shutdown and then the forblicans will take heat it and eventually passed a clean resolution and life will go on. why do they continually have to do this? that is my only comment. thank you. host: this is from robert litan carolina.

this is from robert who lives in carolina. this is a comment from a viewer who says there would be no constitution if the founding fathers had not reached a compromise on the presentation for small states and large states. kerry is joining us from beachwood, ohio. democrats line. good morning. caller: i just wanted to say that our government has obviously gone rampant.

thisnly way to settle issue and to avoid this type of -- obviouslyive this is like the fox watching the hen house. they get involved with the internet groups, whatever local groups that are watching the government, and just get involved in these politics. , but we confiscated elect these officials and they should work for us. if we don't get involved, this is going to continue to happen time after time. politicians that do these things. they're doing it because they can. host: host: ok. thanks for the call.

from "national journal.com. , ted cruz held a talk-athon. filibustera formal because senate then continued with business. some house republicans are currently looking to senator to pick up despite that he took up over the summer. the senate reconvene tomorrow afternoon. timesnside "the new york ," a picture of resident clinton and newt gingrich.

in fact, the last major shutdown in late 1995 and early 96 paved the way for sweeping bipartisan compromises, including on the budget and changes to congressional republicans and thatresident were pleased they could call their own. this story from inside the new york times. just in from akron, ohio. good morning. caller: i have two questions to ask the citizens of this country. tell me how you support the affordable care act passed by your government. you accept the fact that they have exempted themselves from

an? tell me how you support an organization, your federal government, that allows the irs to turn its apparatus on its citizens, suspends the person responsible for it with pay, and then allows her to retire with pay. nothing would be better for this country than to shut that organization down and build it back from the ground up. it is time, america. excepting the crappy products that come out of washington dc and ask for something better. we could do so much better if you just stop accepting the nonsense that they deliver to us. justin, thank you for the call. james agreeing with you and sending this tweet. if you are just tuning in, the house wrapping up his mess early this morning after voting largely along partisan votes -- partyline votes, although some democrats did sign with

republicans on the issue of theing acr that keeps government in operation through the middle of december. attached to that, a repeal of the medical device tax and a one-year delay of the affordable care act. the measure now goes back to the senate heard already senate democratic leader harry reid said it is dead on arrival. a look at what happened back in 1995 and 96 was a last time the government faced a potential shutdown. marsha blackburn on the floor last night had this to say about the affordable care act. >> this is a program that is too expensive to afford. we have seen that already it has tripled in cost from its $860 to $2.6estimate is up trillion. we know that it is making $600 billion in cuts to medicare, we know that it is not ready for prime time. 1200 laborersn

given to this program. people that are friends of the administration have gone seeking to be opted out. it is not good for the american people. there have been 19 administrative and presidential delays of this program. that theree learned are missed deadlines. we see the impact that it is having on our hospitals. they are laying off people, hospital doors are closing. jobs are being lost. insurance costs are as collating. they have missed 47% of all their deadlines as they have socked to put this into place. on.list goes on and what is most important is what we hear from our constituents, what we hear from the american people.

constituents, i have a small business owner who wrote -- her insurance cost is going up five times. it is going up five times over what is right now. host: from last night's debate in congressman marsha blackburn from tennessee. the government needs to agree to a new policy wide spending bill before the u.s. fiscal year ends it midnight on monday. if it fails, nonessential federal services employees face closure with employees sidelined or left working without pay. u.s. senate democratic leader

harry reid mouse at the democratically chamber will reject the republican bill. and that's statement read saying that we are still at square one. we talked about senator ted cruz inside "the washington post." this editorial from "the weekly standard." what cruz has wrought is the headline. cruz has sparked a republican civil war writes "the weekly standard."

stephen hayes from "the weekly standard." good morning. the problem is they say about obamacare and everything, if obamacare was so great is the other gentleman was saying, why do all these people not wanted? i just got a letter from my insurance company, my secondary insurance company. they raised to $50 more. i can't afford it. i think with the government should do, and they should pass a law, that all these people in the senate, congress, the house and all that, there should be a term for them. for two years or get out. they stay in there and they are set in their ways. they don't care about anybody else because they make big money. the same thing with the supreme court. the woman there is talking about obamacare and she is sound asleep trade they should have a term for them to. only two years or whatever. the only way they get out of these different agencies is

things have to die or they have to retire. look along kennedy was in there. i don't think it is right and the people should stick together. the heck with that obamacare. there is a lot of loopholes. 2005 hundredater pages. how are you going to read all ok, thanks e host: you so much for the call. cq o writes. there's this from doug hay who is a spokesperson for the republican leader in the house of representatives, eric cantor.

from our facebook page this is rom louise who says, you can join in with your thoughts on facebook.com/c-span. good morning. what a wonderful show you have. the people that are spending all to say how awful obamacare is, if they would take that money and put it into the program and explain to people how it is going to work for everybody, how everybody will have insurance.

sick children who have asthma won't be sitting in emergency rooms for hours not being able to breathe. ,f they would take that money those millions of dollars that -- and get it to try to work for a couple of years and see how it manages to work. after you have tried a couple of years stand back and take a look at it and see if it is the horror everybody has said it is supposed to be. i don't think is going to be that. i think it is going to be good for our country. the poor people have insurance. have our senators and congressmen, have them get into it. we pay for their insurance. then let us have insurance. i think america is the most wonderful country in the world ,nd i think that most people

for poor people to be able to see a doctor if they are sick. host: ok, evelyn. thanks for the call. vice admiral timothy giardini is the subject of a story this morning inside "the new york times." carol is turning us from wichita, kansas. good morning, republican line. caller: hello. it has been an interesting night. i stayed up all night watching

c-span. to plug in my charger so i don't lose you. i was very embarrassed by so many when they were speaking to , orspeaker of the house supposed to be speaking to the speaker of the house. they weren't. and he warned them three, four or five times or more to address their speeches to him. if our leaders don't even follow directions or show any kind of responsibility for their jobs, we have a real problem in this country. republicannse at the s for the democrats to address toir demeaning statements arerepublicans like that we

in some kind of race profiling going on. certainly don't like obamacare. none of think that those people even know what it is, what it really reflects. i think a lot of people think that it is going to mean free healthcare to all the people, but it is not going to mean free healthcare. we are not poor losers. we did not want obama, ok? i can admit that. up.: quickly, wrap it because we are short on time. caller: what is wrong with delaying something that people

don't understand? host: carol, thanks for the call. more from the house yesterday. congressman garamendi is a democrat from california. here's what he had to say. >> the one result of all this will be a further 10 you knew diminution ofer the effect from the congress. is not going to be solved by delaying it one year. all the good that is in the affordable health care act, all the insurance reform, and i was insurance commissioner and i can tell you how important is that the reforms there. all the medicaid programs and the millions of americans that have the opportunity, all those children that are now being covered, for what? an the 42nd or 43rd time other failed effort. it is a tragedy. we are about to go through this

process for what? so that some of the wealthiest most profitable businesses in america can have a $30 billion tax reduction? i suppose that is important. can say once again the affordable health care act, obamacare is wrong yucca i remember the days when the nation shutdown its government. it was bad. just part of the debate that took place last night and in the early hours this morning. it is all on our website along with the discussion and the house rules committee. you can check it out at c- span.org. when my call in just a moment. one more story we want to bring to your attention. whereas paul ryan been during the latest shutdown debate?

this morning from cq roll call. randy is joining us from oakwood, tennessee. good morning. caller: thank you for having me on. i'm going to make this quick. ? i was lyingrea to ask a question but i wanted to make a quick comment first. hearing obama this and obama that ankara president. he didn't is there by himself. there is no democrat or

there's only so much room at the table. that's the way it is. if they want to shut the government down they shut the randall,t down --host: thanks for the call. we're going to continue with much more on what happens next as congress returns tomorrow. the deadline is midnight on day. peter baker of the new york times angela lawrence of national journal will be joining us in just a moment. bookuthority of a new called "treasures war." later ine joining us the program. but first let's check in with nancy in the c-span's uterus. all focusing on the same story. you can listen to the shows beginning at noon eastern time on c-span radio. ansi, good morning.

include possible government shutdown and the health-care law. iran and the situation in syria. you can hear a rebroadcast of the programs here on c-span radio beginning at noon eastern with nbc's meet the press. just today include texas republican senator ted cruz and idaho republican congressman raul labrador. at 1 p.m. hear a replay of abc's this week. just today, iran's foreign minister and former president bill clinton. it is fox news sunday with house majority whip kevin mccarthy, republican senator mike lee of utah and democratic senator tim kane of for junior. cnn's state of the union follows at three eastern. representative cathy mcmorris rodgers of washington state. then at fort eastern it is face nation from cbs. kentuckyffer welcomes

senator rand paul and dick durbin of illinois. republican representative marsha blackburn of tennessee and democrat chris van hollen of maryland. the sunday night were the the my c-hows are brought to span. week, at two,is fox news sunday, 3 p.m. eastern, cnn's state of union and therefore it is facing nation from cbs. listen to them all on c-span here in the1 fm washington dc area. across the country on xm satellite radio find us on channel 119. you can download our free up for your smartphone or listen online at c-span radio.org. >> who is to say with the cleveland clinic is doing has anything to do with obamacare? well, madam president, the answer to that is who is to say

the cleveland clinic is to say. a spokeswoman for the cleveland , to prepare for healthcare reform, cleveland clinic is transforming the way care is delivered to patients. and $80d that 300 million would be cut from the clinic's annual budget. >> now we know that there are things that are happening right now that we're getting paid less by private and public affairs. insurance companies are paying is less, may carry thing as last , sequestration had an effect on hospitals. the nih funding decreasing has had an effect on our research. so we had to decrease our costs still further. all of this goes into trying to change our health care comes together. it is not one single thing that did it hurt it is not one single pair the did it, it is able

series of things that we are doing starting back 5, 6, 7 years ago, culminating when we decided that these changes are so significant in terms of what we're going to get paid, that now we have to be even more stringent. cleveland clinic head, to because growth on the future of medical care in the united states. tonight at 8:00 on c-span's "q&a." >> washington journal continues. for our sundays roundtable, jill lawrence. thank you very much for being with us. peter baker of "the new york times yuriko we begin to do any store that you posted today. the president referring to what house republicans are doing as blackmail over the health-care law. we will show the headline. what is happening from the white house perspective. guest: the white house is try to

frame this budget debate in its own favorable terms. the other side is being unreasonable, the other side is being an anarchist. they strapped a bomb to their chest as a white house senior adviser put it. the president used blackmail the other day. they are comparing the company -- the country for the fact that there will be a shutdown. that theyto make sure don't receive any of political blowback themselves. house republicans are the handful of democrats deciding to basically delay the affordable care act, get rid of the medical device tax and also keep the government in operation through mid-december. this is the statement from senator harry reid issued before the house cast its first vote . t

so walk us through tomorrow. what can we expect? we can expect either a lot or nothing going on behind the scenes. the only place that maybe a point of compromise is the medical device tax. this puts democrats in a really awkward position because both the house and the senate have actually passed a repeal of this , which is a $29 billion tenure measure to help pay for it. enough accord in the chambers for this. the question is will the

president and harry reid be willing to negotiate. this is their starting point if they're not negotiating because of being held host so to answer your question, who knows? >> a lot of attention as he is able to pick up the phone and talk to the president of iran. the public and critics saying that he is not meeting with house and senate republican leaders. as a matter of optics is does seem weird or surprising that we can have conversations and notdent rouhani john boehner. each one comes with a different context but you can't really compare the two. it took 30 years to talk to the iranian president. let's hope it doesn't take 30 years to talk to john boehner. what we could see in the coming days. hurt the republicans in 2014. this is something from "the

weekly standard." guest: what senator cruz is talking about the will of the people, if you look at those polls, there's a lot of unhappiness with obamacare, but there is also pluralities or majorities in every poll that they don't want it repealed, they wanted to be improved. they want to try it out and see how it is. delay isa one-year basically as it is a repeal according to some of the health experts i talked to because it is just been to create chaos. president also scheduled to leave for multination trip to asia later next week. is that trip salon? guest: so far they haven't canceled it. you have to assume that that is on the table. if the government really is shut down and really are in this kind of impasse, it is hard to see the president heading off to bali, even as important as those national trips are. he is canceled trips before and specifically to asia in the

midst of these kinds of fights, but if i were one of the host committee i would not assume he would show up. this is a picture of the president and the then speaker of the house newt gingrich. at point in this piece is the political environment is very different today. the debate is on obamacare. guest: it is also different economic situation. they were debating at the time a budget that was out of balance, but at a time when the economy was coming back in a stronger way than we have right now. ultimately they were flush with funds than we are now. the kind of cutting we're are talking about here beyond obamacare to get to any kind of longer-term deficit deal would be much more painful, deeper than what we're talking about in the 1990s. the political atmosphere is much more competent it and harsher, much more geared against any kind of compromise.

carolyn the road apiece this week. guest: even take army, who helped elect a lot of these people, talks about the animosity in the counterproductive mess of shutting off all the older veterans and just try to go their own way. one of the really fascinating things was looking that that is speech that gingrich made in 1998, where he was -- right before he left congress. said this is not a win unless it is a win for the republican house, the republican senate and the democratic president. who would say that now? tom mann and norm ornstein will be joining us. the new politics of extremism.

peter baker, is it worse than it looks? it is a very divided time, a very polarized time. we talk about this a lot. i often wonder whether we forget that it has often been polarized in history. it is hardly a unique. period. the gingrich era was a difficult era. there are differences today. the system is built for confrontation and this happens to be one of the more confrontational times in our history, but this is in effect what the system was designed to do. as frustrating and exasperating as it may be. congress is normally put a budget together before october 1. his is the new norm? guest: i certainly hope not. up until recently we were so

focused on how dysfunctional the senate was and what was wrong with the senate. and now it is the house, too. it looks pretty bad. i don't know if it is worse than it looks, but i think maybe the public will kick into gear when this actually happens. it looks like it will. and then we will see some movement. he center of all of this is the affordable care act referred to as obamacare. your piece for the national journal.com, why delaying obamacare by a year could almost as much damage as defining the issue. thecourt aspect of affordable care act doesn't sound mr. medicus taking weights funding, but it could ultimately do as much to crush this controversial law. how so? for three years, insurance companies, the government, all kinds of advocacy groups have been preparing for tuesday. the day that all these online marketplaces start up. so they have adapted their

, people have made their plans about whether to quit your jobs are started business or shop through an exchange. this it was repealed, what would happen to the insurance --panies who suddenly had to who have been told they cannot underrate anymore. they're going to lose a lot of money. people are going to have nor to go because some of these other ways of getting insurance are gone. it would be very chaotic. opinion would not improve about the law, let's just say that. in the end, they could take it into the 2014 elections and claim a mandate to kill it. ignatiusm david insight the washington post which. he

spend their time pandering to the extreme rather than helping john mannerly. he survives from crisis to to democratic votes at sellwood last-minute compromises. boehnerajor issues that personally supports, such as immigration reform, he has been powerless.

guest: it is unclear to me what he could do differently. foley or tipke tom o'neill, some of the giants of the last few decades have made a difference in the kind of --uation, senator ted cruz could be the tip of the spear on the affordable care act. host: tax reform, immigration reform, are these dead issues?

guest: the white house says they they't given up on it, but don't see any hopes of convincing speaker banner at the loor.t to bring it to the fou people say, why doesn't he bring things to the floor? you can understand from his point of view one of that -- why that is a perilous idea. when you are a leader of the party caucus, you have to be least firstrn at within your caucus, and he hasn't been able to do that. there is an exchange between congressman rogers, the republican from kentucky, as the question democratic senator

mcgovern this morning. >> you say the president is threatening to veto the bill? >> he said he absolutely will veto. >> i think he is very serious about this. it's not just about him, it's about a lot of people who are entitled to health care in this country that are now in jeopardy of not getting it, if this were to prevail. host: your colleague saying it is emblematic of the problems the president has faced.

you heard that reference by congressman rogers. john boehner's problems on this spending fight has helped president obama by the problems he had is his own caucus. two weeks ago we were talking democrats had abandoned him on his proposal to launch a military strike against syria in punishment for the use of chemical weapons. onocrats are challenging him the federal reserve. brought it back home to him in a different way. he is perhaps standing firm on it health care fight as gives him the advantage of repairing some of the political damage, the passive it he that has seen to thwart his effort on

syria. host: using his weekly address to tell the american people what will happen if congress bells to reach an agreement on what is referred to as a clean cr resolution that keeps the mid-nment open through december. >> if congress doesn't pass a shuts, the government down, along with many bottle services be will depend on. the republicans in the house have been more concerned with appeasing an extreme faction of their party been working to past a budget that strengthens the middle class. in the next couple of days, these republicans will have to decide whether to call the senate and keep the government open or create a crisis that will her people for the sole purpose of advancing their

ideological agenda. past government shutdowns have disrupted the economy. this shutdown would, too. our debts have been falling faster than any time in 60 years, a shutdown would be a purely self-inflicted wound. many republican senators and republican governors have urged republicans in the house of representatives to knock it off, pass the budget, and move on. the president talking about reduction of the deficit. that is a direct result of sequestration and we did hear officengressional budget r don elmendorf. we call it unsustainable. in fact we have really not solve the long-term issue. it comes down to medicare, and

entitlements, how we are going to continue to pay for health care for an aging population and make it economically manageable. sequestration has done a good job in a sense of having reigned in some of the spending on the discretionary side that could be painful or harmful as a lot of people would argue. that is not where the biggest long-term issue really is, and they fail to tackled that. entitlements really are the key to this whole thing. you can see the outlines of a president has the said he is interested in some kind of entitlement reform and managing the cost. the republicans are interested in that. they're interested in tax reform . if that were put on the table not in a crisis atmosphere.

host: congressman tom gray, the republican from georgia, leading the charge in a piece from the post. from congressman jim mcgovern saying that newt gingrich seemed more reasonable regarding the government closing. carroll joins us from st. louis, democrats line, good morning. i think if we go another year trying to repeal this health-care law, oh, my gosh, what would it be, 80 votes, trying to reach a deal? i wish you could play that lip had been theocrats ones trying to get gun control and hold back the budget as and i wanted to say i

think the results in syria because of our president turned out better. we are not in a war with them right now. thank you. host: thank you for the call. do you want to respond? >> i think the way the president arrived at the place was not pretty. also there is no guarantee that it will not end up with a military strike anyway, but for , he does have a chance right now to stand firm in a way that he hasn't on many other issues. -- question is whether and he in the senate will be able to do that in the face of a government shutdown, and the pressure will be coming from all sides to end it. colleagues write,

what will happen coming ahead? first of all, the house action all but ensures that a first -- large part of the government will be shut down on tuesday morning. more than 800 thousand federal workers deemed nonessential facing furloughs, millions more could be working without paychecks. a separate house republican bill would ensure that military personnel continue to be paid in the event of a government shutdown, and the knowledge meant that a shutdown was likely. it is a matter politics to say we are not going to pay eurocrats and another thing to say we are not paying our men and women. this is the third time we have seen this fight. we did see it in the clinton presidency. with the exception of an in form we are not ase,

seized by the possibility that is might happen, because of a chicken little sort of, don't worry about it. onis interesting that tuesday, if it actually happens, whether the country will respond in a more engaged way. since c-span thinks the red line is so funny, what happens to big talker kentucky hal rogers district when it is shutdown? joining us from california, the republican line, good morning. good morning, i actually just moved to south las vegas. my point goes to senator reid, but my first point is, and i'm sick of bringing it up, like that other gentlemen, why are they doing this, why are they shutting us down? why are they incompetent in their own jobs?

inis like when you are school, the kid with the most cars, they succeed in the best graces of the teacher. where are the stars, where are the senators, where are the congressman with the stars? if you cannot get your stars, you cannot hold your job, you are not confident. i'm sure we have a lot of talented americans who could. my third point is senator reid. we have the highest unemployment . the real estate market has really gone down the tubes. he stand and talk about state iseader when our going through such dire straits? maybe this time we did get up and take the terrible talent out . i wasn't sure, i think he congress that he wants

to repeal obamacare and he would like republicans who are not on board with that, mostly in the senate i guess, to be replaced. is kind of what john mccain was saying the other day. that may be the way to go for republicans. they are minority in the government. they only control the house, and they are kind of on a quixotic quest at this oink. point.his democrats and republicans are not negotiating in a way to avoid it. they are not even speaking to each other. guest: we have seen this movie before. "jaws" movie,hird

nobody cares if the shark is about to eat somebody. the president will stand firm for obama care. he wants to send a signal that he is not going to negotiate on this at all. vanish, the republicans or so they believe, to be pushing away at it and to stand firm on behalf of people who don't like it. cutting actually about a deal. it's about sending a signal to constituents on both sides, they are standing on principle. host: all eyes continue on the red ink as we approach is $17 trillion national debt. this is what it looks like. us from athens,

tennessee, independent line. good morning. caller: >> good morning. according to harry reid and the president, all we have in the representatives, so it doesn't matter what the house passes. says [indiscernible] up fromdebt has gone $11 trillion to $17 trillion. the premium? is what is the coverage e what is the deductible? it is a great idea, if you don't lay that out, you don't get the insurance. biggest culprit of the whole

bunch is unfortunately in the press. host: on the threshold of obama , warily. one of the stories out today on what to expect on tuesday. we should point out that tuesday is the start of signing up for don't kickes, which in until january 1, correct? guest: some of the concerns the caller mentioned are ones that democrats share as well as republicans. businesses that don't have to pay to provide insurance to employees over 30 hours writing back, and the white house says there's not enough evidence to suggest that is happening on a large scale, but there are certainly anecdotes of businesses doing that.

we have seen implementation problems, and the president says these are glitches that can be fixed. they had to postpone for year, the aspect of businesses that have now postponed the small business sign up for these things. what it adds up to in the long- term is up for debate. host: you were with the president and the headline came out afterwards, another delay. it is a very complicated thing we are doing here. a lot of people are involved in it. health care is one of those complicated things. we try to make it is easy and user-friendly as possible. for it to be like amazon and you go on the computer and everything will be hunted dorie, it will take a while to iron out some of the wrinkles and have it be as user-friendly as we wanted to be. host: the white house predicting

a slow enrollment in obamacare, saying it will not be as large as some expected. peter lee joking that he expected exactly two people to sign up on tuesday, october 1, in the state of california. california has more uninsured residents of any state in the country. that is probably something he wishes he hadn't said. if you look at massachusetts, the only place to have a mandate and an online marketplace, towards the very end of the sign up period there was a rush on enrollment. anyn't think there will be judgment on this until the end of march. the message from the president right now is something they have not been never to say until now, it from anyn't take of us, just go online and see

for yourself. see what works for you and your family and make a judgment for yourself. on our twitter page, if we have 800,000 nonessential government employees, our government is way too big. people are fed up with all parties and want to fire everyone and start all over. these are the democrats, republicans, tea parties, and the works. it has become a circus, and we are ashamed that we voted to put the present people in office. i guess what strikes me is how many people who put these -- the business community is now trying to tr negotiate. i think some democrats are having some misgivings about the president, he doesn't seem to have a strategy for dealing with any of this. from virginia on the

democrats line, good morning. caller: i just want to saddam a federal retiree. if they are going to hold my federal pension back, we need to stop paying congress. i'm not going to get paid, but congress is going to get paid? that's not fair. i voted for president obama. he has done a great job. give a obamacare a chance. tell these republicans to get the hell out and go back where they came from, and we need to go on. i'm sorry, if the federal government is going to hold my pension back, let's not pay congress. congress is going to get paid on the first of october. why should i not get paid? thank you. on thee will go republican line, from new york. good morning. waitingi got so nervous that i hope i make sense. i am for a hospital or medical plan for everybody.

i have members of my family, i worked at a bank for years, and i know how hard people work for little or nothing. they cannot afford medical insurance. and why are they so against it? drugagainst the program that they put down and made us take, the republicans. i think it would be a blessing if people could have insurance and have peace of mind about something. i don't know what to say. i have been a registered republican, i am 80 five years old and i have been a registered republican all my life. host: and you support the president health-care law? caller: i certainly do.

i see the people around me, sure they can go to the emergency room for just regular care, but they cannot get operations are anything. i don't understand it. i have a friend, she went to the doctor. he said it was her heart, so they sent her to burlington, which is a very good place. and they said she had to have a new heart. they said you would have the best chance in boston, so they called boston. she didn't have any insurance, so boston said if she has no insurance, we don't want it. so they sent her to albany, and albany did take her. because sheed away waited so long. but that's terrible. if it was one of these millionaires, they would have got it right off. that is the thing, for all the politics here in washington and the games playing

in the competition, these fundraising pitches last night as the vote on the house more, contribute money. it is often forgotten in washington the real stories out there, and there are complicated issues. republicans and democrats i think seriously want to find a enough, interestingly the polls this week show only 39% support president obama cause health care program. some think it does not go far enough. gray are lots of shades of here that get lost sometimes. go to your story from friday, following the phone conversation with the president of iran. along the more fractured relationship took a significant turn friday when the president

and president rouhani became the first leaders of the countries to speak since tehran hostage crisis more than three decades ago. my question is, how that plays into all of this. , president putin's role as the president tries to reach out to an ally. a few weeks ago, we were trying to figure out how best to aoceed on syria, he had congress that was going to vote against any ill a terror strike and did not have a way out, and president luden offered a lifeline -- president putin offered a lifeline, proposing this diplomatic deal. it may be a moment of some interesting possibilities. syria giving up its chemical with this, if it were actually going to do it, would be a big deal -- giving up its chemical weapons. withuine rapprochement

iran in which it gave up its capacity to develop nuclear weapons would be a big deal. an issue -- settling an issue that has been out there for re- presidents. but we have seen this movie before. the cliché, the devil is in the details. there are a lot of different ways this thing could be messed up before it gets to fruition and it a lot more than we have seen so far to bring it to a meaningful conclusion. there was a lot of attention that there would be a handshake and at least they stop by or drop by. that did not happen, and there was no photograph. what is the back story? that underscores why this is so difficult. obviously madeni the calculation it was too inflammatory back home to have a picture of him shaking hands

with the leader of the great satan, as it america is often called there. there wasn't a photograph that would inflame people back at home. a photograph of the president on the phone is not the same as a photograph of the president with rouhani together. if rouhani was so worried that a photograph of a handshake would damage, explain some of the complicated dynamics he is facing back home, not to mention what president obama is facing here if the two sides come together. to allow him to give up centrifuges and some of the uranium they have accumulated so far, to have a more open relation with the president. this is from karen who lives in massachusetts. the shutdown is another attention grabbing ploy.

the big question about the unaffordable insurance scam act is why no one brought out the romney'seriment of state of massachusetts, because it did not work here. the insurance company paid off romney, i hope this shields in the house cut a good deal. there have been opinion polls that show that is very popular in massachusetts, and also that they have the highest rate of coverage in the united states. or 98%,it is 96% virtually everyone covered. and they did it without cost controls, and they are now putting in cost control. that is an ongoing experiment, they are a couple of steps ahead of the rest of the country. from michigan on the independent line, good morning. whole thing is just absolutely absurd. i think that smarter people are starting to recognize this is nothing more than a game of

deceit. it is really unfortunate that the republican party, in my opinion, and i am being an independent. i voted for both parties in past elections. but currently, the republican party's acting more like the syrian government, where they would rather destroy the country then listen to the people. they keep complaining that the majority of the individuals in the country believe in their way , but we had a chance in 2012 to make that decision be made. it was proof that the majority of the country wanted to vote the way of obamacare, and that is ok with me. i am an individual who is 51 you're so, just finished law school, had a business of my own for 20 years, and it was one of the hardest things of my life not to be able to afford health care for my family. thate two college-age kids require medicines as well. people don't know the challenges that confront a lot of middle income families in this country. it's not just for individuals. it's not just the rich.

-- not just for individuals. you have a small group of extremists who would destroy this country rather than listen to the voices of this country. the voices were heard, the 2012 election told us what people wanted. 39%, as the gentleman just said from the new york times, there are a lot of individuals who feel that obamacare doesn't go far enough. individuals who were polled said they liked the affordable care act. koch brothers and others have invested so much in trying to distort this reform and destroy the country because they want tax breaks, they don't want to pay their fair share. i am in a community where someone went overseas to get a heart transplant because they couldn't afford it. my father or my mother or my family are not viable enough to

us that we should have access to that type of care as well? i don't think money should dictate that. the call.ks for let me turn the comment into a question. this has become known as the touch the stove moment, after nearly three decades of narrowly avoiding government shutdown, house republicans appear poised to finally grasp the hot stove and allow the government operations to begin shutting down early tuesday morning. if this happens, who is to blame? well, obviously, each party will blame the other. republicans 1995, took the brunt of it. there is polling that suggests president obama is not going to fare so well in this, either. i think it is particular true people who realize there is so much support for repealing the

medical device packed, people like that he seems willing to negotiate. they seem to be giving him better marks for reaching out. i think there is a danger for both sides. one of the former speakers i spoke to, denny hastert, he predicted that as things move on toward the 2014 elections, this dynamic will change. the tea party republicans in the house will realize they have not accomplished anything, and they are in danger of losing the majority. representative ron bishop says it is a legitimate question, i have no idea where he is. the chair of the house agriculture committee saying i don't know that i can really answer that question. he has not sided with senator ted cruz and has not been seen

standing with the republican house leadership on this issue. the 2012 came out of election thinking that paul ryan was perhaps the voice of the republican party. i think people thought he had a future for 2015 as a possible presidential candidate, yet he has allowed himself to be eclipsed at least in terms of public attention by ted cruz, rand paul, and some others. is he lying low and planning to come out at some point and take on a leadership role? we don't know. from the new york times, who goes to work, who stays home? the breakdown from nasa to the epa, interior department, treasury. guest: we should call it a partial shutdown for that reason.

it will be useful to have graphics like that to explain which parts are deemed essential. 800,000 are considered essential. if that is too many, that is a fair point. including the national park service, which is often the most visible sign of a shutdown. guest: that is right. clinical trials at the national institutes of health, that might not affect a lot of people, but for some it is life or death. caller: good morning, am i on? i would like to ask the two people that you have their, if obama care is so good, why did he let the democrats off of it, and what about the core poor

people am of the people you hear on the news, i'll these millions of people that don't have jobs and are not looking, is the government going to pay for their health care all along the way? so they go to the hospital and they have a heart problem and they have to go home and they won't be able to pay the hospital bill, so is obama care going to pay for all of that? once you start providing exemptions, as the caller indicated, does that not feed into this anger and frustration that congress has had for the president, implementing a law that they say the country isn't ready for? the big exemption is for large companies over 50. that is a small part of the law, because most of those cup already provide health insurance. and there is an argument now --r whether congress congressional staffers. actually they are being treated

worse than the rest of the country because they are being made to give up their federal insurance. they already have employee-based insurance. ofre is going to be a lot gaps and unfairness is, that the only way to find out what is working and what is not is to wait for it to go into effect. are some theories that republicans are so adamant about trying to reveal this, they are afraid people might like it in the end. in the tea party cronies are disputing the 2012 presidential election. they lost, sore losers. sort losers are hurting everyone in their wake. the chairman of the house committee that oversees presumens, how dare you a failure? congressman is,

issa getting testy with the press. i wasn't there, they are presuming failure because in , we have this rock and a hard place side on this. it is important to remember, several callers say the 2012 election settled this. that is the argument president obama has made and some republicans have said, to understand the politics of all house wonrepublican the election in 2012 and a lot of them believe because their constituents wanted them to do the things they are doing now.

it did not provide the clarity by making it all republican or all democrat that it could have. time the last republicans pushed a government shutdown, some saw political disaster. others saw policy route. there is a photograph of speaker of the house john boehner. we talked about him earlier. he has a lot of choices to make, i think. there's so much that was good for his party about them aggression reform, and yet in some districts, some members of the caucus are just absolutely dead set against it. i think probably also on budgetary matters and fiscal compromises, in the past he has been a believer in the art of the possible. that seems to be an alien concept these days. he will have to decide which way to go. there are some rumors that he may retire, which would make his

choice pretty clear, he could do whatever he wanted without repercussions. i think that is right, he faces a tough moment. if you are a lawmaker who has ien here as long as he has, think he would prefer to be able to cut deals. ,nd advance conservative ideas even as he had to accept some he didn't like, but that is not the atmosphere right now. texas,rom round rock good morning on the republican baker and jill lawrence. caller: thank you for taking my call. i think it is utterly despicable that the president of the united states would negotiate without a pretense with a sponsor of terror like the president of iran. that is unfathomable to me.

yet he won't negotiate with our own republican party. host: we will get a response with peter baker. the timing of these things is really interesting in that regard. he is in fact negotiating with syria and iran. inmade a point when he ran 2008 and saying look, i believe in negotiating and talking to our enemies as well as our friends. he is saying i will not negotiate. the timing of these two things at the same time i think raises the question that the caller raises. our: i noticed in the past you referred to the weekly standard article by stephen hayes two or three times. i notice you read the very first paragraph, which makes it sound like the weekly standard is acknowledging there is a

republican civil war, but i'm asking you now to please read the second paragraph am aware he says we are inclined to a somewhat different view. i think in the interest of balance, i would like to hear that second paragraph, but i do appreciate your time and your guests and your program today. thank you. host: i will turn around and try to find it. obviously republicans are in an interesting moment here, because there is a disagreement. i have not read the article, but there is obviously disagreement. you saw senator john mccain get up from the floor and chastise ted cruz. there are democrats who are also divided. they are happy to have a common in a me and senator cruz -- a y.mmon enem the more revolutionary republicans are looking at this in different ways right now. host: when one party rules, we end up with massive overreach.

where you stand depends on where you sit, in this case. did in fact pass with only democratic votes. of his platform. it was part of hillary clinton's lab form. they campaigned on it and said they were going to do it. clinton's hillary platform. people have been trying so many different things for so long, but it is true that when you don't have divided government, when you have unified government, that is a mandate for an agenda. this with you earlier, the first paragraph. he begins by saying ted cruz has sparked a republican civil war. he has done the bidding of the gop fringe, and a self-

aggrandizing crusade. hispractical effect of campaign to defund obamacare has been to elevate the president and jeopardize the 2014 elections for his own party. the at least seems to be consensus in washington. we're inclined to a somewhat different view. cruz, two cheers for ted and for mike lee, rand paul, marco rubio, and their fellow procedures. everyone is talking about obamacare. the more he gets talked about, the clearer its flaws are to an already skeptical public. they will emerge from the debate this fall in a stronger position politically, and perhaps even with some agreement on policy changes that would further weaken the president pause collapsing health-care regime. there you go, exactly. i thank the caller for asking for a little bit more.

it is a complicated story right now. how it is going to play out is not clear. ted cruz is a champion and a hero to a significant part of the republican party these days, because for many years, many felt their party was not standing up and giving the full started advocacy point of view that they had. they were frustrated with the go .long and get along they are now receiving a more assertive leadership. the whole debate over obama care, the only way to is going to be settled is when it goes into effect. the most significant parts of it haven't gone into effect yet, so we will see as it happens. i think it is inevitable that it is going to happen. obviously there will be problems. the question for republicans will be tom are they going to

try to fix them, or are they going to try to repeal the law e that will be the true test of the tea party influence, and the moderates versus the full throated advocates. that will have a bearing on the future politically. the prospect of a unified republican message was gone until conservatives launched their outside-in campaign using grassroots activists groups and a growing conservative angst about the president's health- care law to force at the top the agenda. former senator jim demint thought perhaps he would have more of an influence by outside education in effect. we have seen this historically .ver time, on the left as well

they agitated and pushed from the outside. you see president obama, even now, suffering criticism from those who feel like he hasn't done enough for their side of the calls. host: from maryland, independent line, good morning. caller: first of all, i would like to say it is a shame that journalism today is relatively dead. watchdog e any of the media that we should have. i think the media should be educating us, specifically your viewers and the rest of the country as to what is really in this till. for instance, the taxes that are now on the irs website, the products that are going to be taxed under miracle devices. harry reid got up in front of

the microphone and he stated that obama care has been the law for four years. let me regress here. viewers,ld educate the your panelist should educate the viewers on what the polls were when this law was passed, as far as who is in favor of this in the country and who wasn't. and also tom a how the polls test -- also, how the polls test. what the republican should do is enact this law in full, no exceptions, no exclusions, no delays. like harry reid said, this law has been law for four years. so they should have their stuff together and they should enact the delays aree

basically to get past the next election, and i think that if people in this country see what . wretch this is the comment was made by jill that we need to enacted to see what unfairness there is in it. -- thatcy pelosi saying is absurd. congress rightn now, what they know about the bill, they learned after they signed it. houselast night a few members had an interesting suggestion on how to handle this. the senate should bring it up and add both and immigration amendment that would include a path to citizenship to those 12 million undocumented aliens and a tough gun control amendment, then send it back to the house for approval. like the color just said a moment ago -- like the caller

just said a moment ago. guest: we would have a divided nation if we did that. regardless of what the callers have said, i think it remains true that this is such a complicated, ambitious thing that the democrats are trying to do, every big program of the passed has gone through the process of trying it, fixing it, and usually, though in this case we don't know, that is what is going to happen, i think. people are going to love it, hated, tolerated, we will just see what happens. peter baker, you get the last word. b, put inicare part place by president bush, it was very controversial at the time and expense of and had its issues when it was put into place.

today, many people are happy it is there someone need to be there, and there doesn't seem to be any effort to repeal it. this has touched off a real feeling in the country, and the question is whether that will remain so. host: peter baker and jill lawrence, thank you both very much. guest: thank you. be back inouse will tomorrow morning at 10:00 eastern time. is expected toch gavel in tomorrow afternoon at 2:00 eastern time, there had been some speculation that congress would be in this weekend. the house was in last night. but no legislative activity today, as lawmakers in the house enacting a measure that now goes back to the senate, a measure that harry reid says he will not take up in its current form. we will come back to this issue later in the program. an zarate, next, ju

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and i think the subject has fallen off the radar quite a bit since the end of the cold war. >> words you do not want to hear together, nuclear weapons and accidental detonation. control, tonight, part of booktv on c-span2. zarate, out with a new book, "treasured's war." for one week after the attacks took place inside nairobi, kenya among what do we know about al- shabab? >> this is a hernandez attack. i'll should bobble is a movement that was partly borne out of invasion by ethiopia of somalia in 2006. keep in mind that the obama court movement which was a precursor to the al-shabab movement had long-standing ties

to al qaeda in east africa, with operations to include 1998 and the bombings in east africa. the al-shabab movement has been under a great deal of pressure under the last year because of a tax coming from hidden forces in the south, ethiopian forces, it ugandan forces, but over the last few months they have engaged in additional acts in mogadishu, attacks on security forces, government offices, and now this attack outside somali borders in the heart of kenya. this is a very dangerous sign, because it signals that the group remains committed to attacking outside of somalia's borders to go after its key enemies. importance ofthe somalia as a haven, by some accounts, for this type of terrorism. guest: what you have in somali you is a fight for

power and control of territory. al-shabab in many ways has taken on the flavor of insurgency. clan-based, tribal-based, but infused with this viral islamic ideology that is aligned with al qaeda. for number of years they have controlled territory to include mogadishu. over the last year and a half they have been pushed other places like mogadishu. control -- what is interesting there is, this is a group that also has recruited somaliners and non- community members into their calls. thought within somalia for control of territory, but also outside. nairobi, again

perpetrated by al-shabab, forms one of the outposts of al qaeda, as aqa to metastasize and has implanted itself in these regional groups and conflicts. we see that in somalia, we have seen it in yemen, we see it in north africa, with the group that the french fault. this represents a new form of terrorism, a new landscape where these regional groups are the outpost for a new form of al qaeda. we have seen this emerge in syria as well. host: when this happened last week, u.s. officials saying it was unlikely that al-shabab could have that kind of attack here in the u.s., but u.s. officials did travel to kenya to find out what they could about the possibility of threats that they could hit a u.s. so-called soft target. what do you know about that? guest: the dangers that we could

have somali americans that have been recruited, trained, and possibly train with al-shabab, recruited and brought back to the united states. in 2007, we started to see or individuals from the minneapolis ,rea and columbus, seattle actually head back to fight in somalia. keep in mind that the first instance of an american suicide bomber was an american somali in somalia. so u.s. officials have been worried ever since that we could have an incident where a group of them could come back, perhaps unbeknownst to u.s. authorities, and attack inside the united states. that would also map with al qaeda's strategy, which is to motivate and radicalize individuals to attack in place, to attack where they live, as

opposed to fighting in some distant jihad. >> in the book, you write "over the past decade, the united states has waged a brand- new financial warfare, unprecedented in its reach and effectiveness. this so-called hidden war has become central to a america's national security doctrine. the u.s. has financially squeezed or isolated the following organizations or countries, al qaeda, north korea, iran, iraq, and syria." financial power and the use of financial influence have taken lays in our national security. it is no secret that the reason the iranians want to talk to us about their nuclear program is because their economy, the ranking system, has been squeezed. when youeresting that listen to president rouhani and the negotiators around him

talking about nuclear talks with the u.s., the first thing they want in terms of relief from the financial racer is not lifting of an oil embargo, not lifting of trade sanctions that have existed for three decades, but instead, to be able to flood back into the banking system. that is at the heart of what this new power is about. 10-12 years, what has shifted is the ability of the united states to actually motivate and activate the s.nancial system the reality is that even though we restrict trade with north korea, nobody wants to do business with al qaeda, these are groups and regimes that rely on the ability to move money around the world and to access banks and non-bank financial institutions. if you can cut that off, you can undercut their strategy and their global reach. host: you identified a couple of countries often are virtuous banking havens.

you said it was no longer acceptable for a banking center or a country to simply say that we did not know or could not find out whether tainted money was nestled in their banks. they all had to adjust to this new risk there was a 9/11 deep focus on the fact that money helped drive the reach of groups such as al qaeda. to ensure that terrorist networks did not have access to the financial system. we had to ensure that the system itself were not willing to do business with these actors. we engaged in the use of tremendously powerful tools, being able to not only freeze the assets of people such as bin laden, but potentially banks doing business with him.

section 311 of the patriot act, that wereg banks pariahs in the international system. find banks are- no more. range of tools in an environment where people are much more sensitive to their risk and reputation, and we use that calculus to say, you have to take on the onus and be the guardian at the gate of the system. that'll will be a prime mover to qaedalowing -- whether al or other rogue actors -- to access the financial system. anotheres this create weapon for these terrorists or the citizens of set or angry at the u.s. by saying, we are squeezing -- we are being

squeezed economically? guest: that is always a byproduct, if you're squeezing the economy or leadership of a country. what's different about these tools is in some ways they are not only targeted, but focused on the illicit conduct of those engaged in this activity. the focusct to iran, has been what the revolutionary guard has done. it is a military unit responsible for their nuclear program. they also control much of the oil industry and infrastructure of the country. in terroristged financing, sanctions evasion. the focus on the revolutionary guard itself, its corruption allows not only the isolation for the financial system but argument into the iranian people that we are not trying to hurt to stop therying

illicit behavior that is being perpetrated by the military elites and by corrupt officials who are part of the system. you can check that out on our website at " ---- booktv.or g. treasury was not the only element of the u.s. government focusing on. guest: one of the very important elements of financial power was the use of financial intelligence. that means everything from receipts found in pockets of terrorists to the ledger is held by terrorist accountants to the bank accounts of the revolutionary guard.

to determine the networks of these groups, the financial flows and relationships between key actors and use that information as financial footprints to follow the money became an essential part of this period. it developed a doctrine called whichial intelligence, followed human intelligence, signal intelligence. it is now a core part of intelligence and how they look at the use of financial data. how much was this part of the discussion in the bush white house? guest: i was at the treasury department in the first term of the bush administration, white house second term. i was able to watch the evolution of the perception of treasury. there were times when i was at meeting of the white house and i

would be asked, why is treasury here? by the end of my time at the white house, the question was, it isn't treasury here? became apparent to everybody that we could use these tools in very effective and creative ways , a way that was unanticipated to have strategic impact on our enemies. these are countries we have had sanctions on for years. they don't have bank accounts in new york. arecommon question is, what we going to do financially that can hurt these countries? they have access to banks and the financial community and we have the abilities to a fact -- affect multilaterally the way the financial community acts to them or rejects them. that is what we did with north korea in 2005. it became a wake-up call.

those toolshen, have been essential part of how we thought about our strategy. host: our guest is also a consultant to cbs news. the book is called, "treasury's war: the unleashing of a new era of financial warfare." joining us on our line for democrats. i have three questions with a couple subparts here. how much of this terrorism war is due to 50 years of u.s. or lack thereof, number one? guest: there's always a question of whether or not we have caused or created grievances that are motivating terrorist actors.

i happen to believe the way you see in the case of a least al qaeda, the leader of the actorst is a group of driving a global strategy against the united states regardless of u.s. policy. the evidence of that is they have used whatever excuse or prompt in the environment to justify their cause. and frankly dismiss the facts. u.s. aid to muslim communities as countries over the years falsehoods are not fitting their narrative. we have to be sensitive about our policies and how they affect the environment. al qaeda, these are groups and movements committed to their strategy, committed to fighting the far enemy, which is the u.s., but anyone who will get in whether it is kenya,

.hether it is the french may affect ondoes the margins, but strategically the art herbs committed to -- these are groups committed to their goals ideologically. i won't disagree with everything you've said there. i agree with quite a bit of it, actually. the second point is about lack of respect for religious freedom . we in america say, respect religious freedom. the actuality is that some governments. we need to respect them as they are.

they are a religion and yet a government. the u.s. has been a champion of religious freedom around the world. it's been underlined a lot of the human rights policies. one of the interesting things that has arisen in the wake of the arab revolutions is what happens to minority communities, in particular christian communities coming under assault in places such as egypt. is ahappens to minorities key question. we need to advocate for them. we have been respectful of religion. weaknesses of the u.s. government is we often can't engage in the theological debates at the heart of some of the terrorist debates that are happening. what is it mean to engage in a rightful jihad? what is a pious

?uslim in the 21st century ech forest part of the national security equation. the dutchf a part of features as a part of the national security equation. -- features as a part of the national security equation. or we have seen is banks taking advantage of common citizens, their role in the world. banks need to be held to account for fraud they are engaged in. my story is a different angle on

the banks. banks are properly incentivized or prodded, they can act as key actors in the system to isolate rogue behavior. in 2005, 2006s were starting to make decisions on their own based on what the treasury department was saying to them about suspicious iranian activity. ands why the vietnamese mongolian banks decided to stop doing business with north koreans. there is an ability to affect how banks react, in financial warfare. host: you put it this way -- money finds a way to move efficiently, even in the most remote parts of the world. guest: that's right. if you look at the global

financial environment, there are a lot of systems that allow for money and trade to happen even in what appears to be inconvenient environments. in informal exchange system south asia, middle east, africa is a way of moving money without actually moving money and without requiring banks. there is a question of how you can regulate that system and ensure it is not being used by others. despite what we try to do to lock out illicit finance from the financial system, these actors are going to find ways of evading it or at least trying to. you have seen that with iran. they have engaged in bartering arrangements. host: our guest, a veteran of the bush white house, juan zarate, is also an author of

"comparative margaret c." -- democracy." a caller joins us on our republican line. caller: why didn't dhs make any attempt to find out who placed explosives in building 7? isp admitted the building was not freefall for eight stories when it was distributed on 9/11. topic and a different we have focused on that in the past. will go to david in florida. good morning. i'm military, and i've listen to everything you have said.

i don't have any questions. gentleman, you are talking about the money transactions. military. a lot of folks in the government were not aware of what was happening in the fact that treasury was trying to use its tools and authority and relationships to fight this war. one conversation i had in the white house with a senior pentagon official, the official was asking me, why is in the treasury doing more -- isn't the treasury doing more? i had to tell them, the treasury is doing a lot. one of the developments i described in the book is the evolution of a document in the

military. it is going after the finances of our enemy that are shooting at u.s. forces. it has evolved in iraq and afghanistan. the idea, can we use network analysis to understand who is funding those who are trying to kill our soldiers, that is something that treasury was deeply a part of. from the book you write, we harness the private sector's own interest in calculus to isolate rogue financial actors. we leverage the fact that we are in a globalized financial system and the u.s. dollar is the chief reserve currency for the world. u.s. capital markets are the principal or the key attractive market. if you're a u.s. actor and want to do business globally, you

have to play by our rules. in many ways, that allowed us to effect in a multilateral way how we used our authorities. we try to use them carefully, but we try to use them strategically. risk realize that the aversion that was part of the bottom line for banks in terms of not wanting to do business with tainted capital actually converged with our national security interest. how do you ensure that convergence and have the banks and non-bank financial institutions acting in a way helpful to our national security? how are they closing bank accounts for al qaeda? how are they shutting down office 39 accounts for north koreans? that, we did away with the old orthodoxy. was all about financial pressure that was multilateral. host: can you explain to our

audience how this impacts the military and the changes u.s. foreign policy has in going after these countries such as iran and syria and north korea and the role the military plays in light of what treasury is now doing? guest: this type of power is that middle ground between , what we can do in convincing others, and military power. it is a complement to diplomacy and military power. it gives us leverage over our squeezeto not only their current assets, but to affect their budget and strategy. you hear the complaint, a terrorist attack only costs a .ew hundred dollars a group like al qaeda that wants to have global reach has to have resources well beyond the next attack and they need budget to

imagine these grand plans for have, including development of weapons of mass destruction. if you're able to constrain their budget, you're forcing them to make strategic decisions. military,mes to the what you're trying to do is constrict the ability of our enemies to access the things they need to harm us, whether or moneyr wmd program, to buy the next ak-47. the goal is to constrict their ability to do damage to the u.s. and their ability to have global reach. host: who is funding al-shabaab? been: al-shabaab has perhaps the most creative of al qaeda offshoots in terms of raising money. they have controlled territory. i mentioned the lucrative port. the portcompeted with of mogadishu. they were issuing taxes and levies on things coming in and out of that port. taxing atalso

checkpoints, areas of the country they controlled. they were taxing people to go in and out. and were receiving money continue to receive money from elements of the dias per our community -- diaspora community. they engaged in one of the most creative laundry -- laundering, the export of charcoal and import of sugar and making money. it is a group that has diversified its funding sources and is no longer reliant on an al qaeda core and localized its fundraising. aghreb has raised millions of dollars in africa. these are huge challenges for the u.s. and our allies. one thing that surprised you the most. think about that.

york.er from new i wish susan swain would come back to thursdays and mr. lamb on fridays. host: i will share that thought with them. i'm sure all you folks have your hands full. i don't know how you keep the ball rolling. there's so much information. you guys must be up all night in here early in the morning doing all your research. and then everybody calls in and complains all the time, which is unfair to you guys. that said, no offense to your guest as well, i feel as though it's almost like we are looking over there when we should be looking at ourselves. everything he's describing, all these injustices, it sounds like what we do here. there's is no greater threat to democracy in this country than

what has gone on. we're not looking at our own backyard. we have undermined our own financial systems. if diplomacy were at the head of the table for what we should be doing in other countries, we wouldn't have all these troubles. we've made this bees nest we keep hitting with a stick. zarate, we mr. should be looking at ourselves. were not bailed out, our society would have collapsed. it's so unfair that the taxpayers should have to pay for the malfeasance at the top. i would hope we would look more in our own backyards. everything you described is very similar to what we have here. system'scial allegiance to our government leaders, quid pro quo, quantitative easing. the list goes on and on.

we have all this money to drop bombs on people but no money to take care of the health of our elderly. the list goes on. host: thank you for the call. we will get a response. guest: anthony raises a good point. the soundness and credibility of our banking system, our economy is at the heart of our power. the ability to even wield the kind of tools that i talked about in this book depend on the strength of our economy and the integrity of it. there's no question that is the case. i disagree slightly, and maybe read throught to what we're trying to isolate the financial community. we're trying to isolate thing such as terrorist financing, sanctions evasion, money laundering, even counterfeiting

of u.s. 100 dollar bills, which north koreans do better than anyone else in the world. we're beenhe things trying to isolate in using these tools. it's a good point, though, because there is money laundering in the u.s.. there's been a lot of talk on capitol hill as well as at the treasury about some reforms to look more deeply and closely at how transnational organized crime groups are active in the u.s. economy for money laundering purposes. that has to be a focus. host: this is a tweet from one of our viewers. guest: it doesn't. i wrote this very carefully so it would not harm anything we are doing. i used to carry high-level clearances. i still do. anything i write has to be reviewed by the government.

i wrote it carefully so would not expose anything. our enemies understand exactly what we are doing to them. the iranians have called this the hidden war. why they have put the relief of financial pressure as the principal initial goal for negotiations and talks with the u.s.. it's important for people to understand what this power is because our enemies understand what we are doing to them. we need to understand what we're doing to them and how to tend to that power. he made a point about the fact of the president had a phone conversation with the president of iran. the white house releasing a photograph of him on the phone with president rouhani, but not a picture of the two shaking hands. guest: that is telling. president rouhani, his tone is very positive.

the realities of what is happening in tehran have to be taken into account. charles cross summer had a very good op-ed in "the washington post" on friday, a reminder of rouhani is. bywas one of the hand-picked the clerical establishment. we have to be cautious about filling the vessel of expectations too high too early. there's a lot of management of .ide -- hard-liners in tehran we will have to see if he's going to talk about tangible deliverables. on our side, were going to have to be deliberate about how we unwind some of the financial pressure. one of the lessons of the north

korea episode was we did not do that very well. we ended up giving our leverage up too early with the north koreans and made a mess of how we unwound the pressure. host: we welcome our listeners on c-span radio, cerium -- serious xm channel 119. a caller on our republican line joins us. caller: the last few times i time iin to c-span, one was cut off on the drone attack on the 16-year-old kid and things of this nature. you're hitting on an interesting topic with currencies. we got a call earlier about 9/11 that was shut off. on theere saudi arabians plane that did this thing. the issue is support of the american dollar as a world

reserve currency. -- it used toom be mcgovern's district and now it is kennedy's district. in massachusetts we have the saudis come in and buy ge plastics. 40,000 jobs. recently we have had very bad by investments in having the chinese command and finance are rising -- come in and finance our housing bubble. north korea, there are some verbs you use about sanctions. sanctions are siege. siege is an act of war. host: is your main concern when

you have companies being bought up by the chinese government? isler: no, my main concern our government -- when you have a reserve currency of the world, to have a moral obligation run thing sort of for the good of people, not to finance al qaeda, not to finance these wars. guest: this is something that hank paulson has talked about. he talked about tending to the magnificent glass house. the u.s. has principal responsibility to ensure the financial system operates properly and has integrity. all sorts of challenges in the wake of 2008. this is something the u.s. takes on. there's a question as to whether or not countries such as china care as muchhers

about the systemic impact of what they do. chinese have already labeled their banks and offshore oil platforms as strategic assets. they view the economic landscape from a national security perspective. the question in the future -- i lay this out in chapter 16 -- what are the financial wars to come? how are these countries going to think about the use of their power and influence, and what are the u.s. vulnerabilities in that context? we have entered a new period where not only are we using financial power to our advantage, but others are thinking in those terms as well. one quick point on our golf partners. -- gulf partners. was to getchallenges the saudi government to realize that we had entered a new period. we could no longer finance causes that may or may not support al qaeda activity around the world.

one of the things i worry about is that the syrian conflict itself is seeing the resurrection of some of the funding networks that we have done a good job of suppressing or dismantling, but are resurrecting again in the context of support for the syrian rebels. we have to be very cognizant of that. a couple of comments from our viewers. guest: it's difficult. i would not describe it that way. this is more like financial insurgency. you have to tend to the system constantly. you have to ensure that the actors understand what is legitimate behavior or not. you have to target a legitimate behavior. that is why you see the treasury department putting out lists of illi -- als --

legitimate behavior. it is like building a snowman. the snowfalls if you are doing this properly and you can keep adding to it. host: you write in the conclusion of your book, power and influence is now outside the classic state structures. guest: exactly right. one of the great lessons of this is that it wasn't just what governments did and it wasn't just what institutions like the u.n. were capable of. it was what the private sector actors decided to do that continue to matter for national security. important forore treasury officials to meet with ceos of banks and compliance officers than with counterparts

in a finance minister or foreign ministry. we bemoan the fact that we don't have the kind of streak craft to go along with our statecraft -- street craft to go along with our statecraft. there are influencers within this environment who have our same interests who subscribe to our values and principles. they may not want to wear a patch with the american flag on it, but their values and principles are the same as ours. if we can find ways of promoting them, working with them, working in parallel, that's a different way of thinking about national security and it's exactly at the heart of what this new financial power is about. caller is will from columbia, tennessee. caller: good morning, steve. i'm grateful for c-span.

it's an open window for all three branches of our government. i hope she's doing all right. host: just and on for the last -- she's been on for the last couple of weeks. caller: i must have been sleeping. host: i hope you haven't been watching another network, will. [laughter] there are three questions i want to ask. crisis, during the cuban , it did not take president to get thedly a week congress and them to put a blockade against that invasion. bring a nuclear warheads on

cuban land. we have russia providing syria with weapons, then telling america, we will negotiate and get the things out of the way here. and here we have got north korea, and iran. both of them saying, i'm ready to push the button whenever somebody gives me a reason. is you so frightening have a conventional war, i hope, you have syria sitting on the border of israel. what is america supposed to do what all these bombs come over at one time? what i fear more than anything is, does juan ever go on youtube and look up some simple information like the word thri ve? guest: i have not done that.

i go on youtube, of course. please write it down. it has to do with procter & gamble. host: we will give our guest a chance to respond. guest: there's no question we live in a complicated environments. one thing that knowledgeable viewers recognize is that the can no longer be isolated. we can no longer be isolated from things happening around the world, even though we may be war weary. what happens in syria affects what happens with it run. -- iran. this is a complicated environments. of the good piece of news on

the financial power aspect of this is there has been bipartisan support for how we have done this tom a congressional support. there's been continuity between the bush and obama administrations. in many ways, people have looked to financial levers as an alternative to having to resort to military power in all instances and as a way of building leverage against our enemies around the world. our enemies understand how we are using it and that we are using it. what surprised you the most putting this book together? guest: how long it would take. no, interestingly, the continuity of this tower. the tools and authorities i talk about in this book, some of them are new and many of them were put on steroids post-9/11. there is been a continuity of the community that has been looking at these issues for a number of years. many of the characters that are

present now -- bob mueller, just retired fbi director, had once in his former job gone to the bank messaging center, swift, in brussels, to ask for more data. that's what we did in the post createriod to access and the terrorist tracking program. there are all sorts of ligaments pastrically that through activities to current strategies tha. , the book israte called, "treasury's war: the unleashing of a new era of financial warfare." our guest also appeared on "booktv" over the weekend. the sunday morning shows are under way. the looming threat of a

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attached to that measure is a plan that would repeal the byical device tax and delay one full year the implementation of the president's health care law, often referred to as obamacare. we want to use this opportunity to get your calls and comments. one day until the possibility of a government shutdown. the numbers are on your screen. "they landed journal constitution," the funding bill in standoff is the front headline. republicans tying the funding bill to a health law delay. in south carolina, the state newspaper, how i federal shutdown would hurt south

carolina residents, as many as 800,000 nonessential personnel could be out of a job tuesday morning or off the job until the situation is resolved. in swanson is following all of this for "the hill" newspaper. he's joining us on the phone. us who were not up late last night or early in the morning, what happened overnight? the house passed a bill to keep the government funded through december 15. the added a couple of bills -- things to the bill that will be unacceptable. they want to delay obama care for a year. the white house summit democrats said before the house acted said such auld reject measure. house republicans were responding to their own conservative members in moving this bill. is going to be rejected by the senate. we are no closer to a solution.

referred to aid certain wing of the republican party as tea party anarchists. caller: democrats are trying to use this politically to put all of the blame for a possible government shutdown on republicans. there are some politics going on behind the scenes here. most people think the only chance democrats would have for bringing back the house next year is if the government does shutdown. democrats are working very hard to put the blame on republicans if the government does shutdown. they are being helped by fighting within the republican party. many republicans in the senate and house think their party is making a tremendous mistake by tying government funding to the health-care law. aree are republicans who worried that their party could lose senate seats could lose control of the house next year

because of the game they're playing right now and the shutdown question. host: this is a headline from "the washington post." a photograph of john boehner being asked questions by reporters on capitol hill. is he in control of his own caucus? to the degree that they are all able to rally behind this bill. it has become clear over the last week that there is a number -- cruz wasns talking to republicans. republican leaders have tried a .ouple of different strategies their strategies have been knocked back in part by their own members and in part by cruz. a lot of people are starting to ask the question, who is leading the republican process? host: the house and senate will

not be in session today. they are back tomorrow morning. walk us through some scenarios. what are you looking for? the senate will be scheduled to come back tomorrow. they would try to quickly dispose of this bill. it's not clear whether they will be able to do that. theakes a long time for senate to do anything because of its rules. they would to get all the senators to agree to give of their time so that they could quickly proceed with a debate on the house bill and move forward. we saw in the last week senator cruz decide to try to delay actions that would involve stripping things he did not like from the government funding bill. if cruz wants to present harry reid from removing the obamacare language from this bill, you can see the senate action drag out a few days and the government will

shut down on tuesday. host: his work is available online at thehill.com. thank you for being with us. energy secretary ernest moneys will be joining us, and we will a partiale impact of government shutdown on the department of energy. [video clip] how does this affect the energy department and what are the plans? >> this is a serious concern. we are still hopeful that what we view as a completely unnecessary disruption will not occur. having said that, we are planning for the eventuality. this will have significant impacts. notdepartment of energy, all the viewers may be fully aware of the scope of activities. we have major roles in our

national security, nuclear weapons, nuclear proliferation issues, and we have a lot of classified information to protect. we do have essential security functions we will have to maintain through this period. while other activities probably get trimmed back, on the energy and science side, it's the same story. we will try to maintain essential activities. for example, we manage the strategic petroleum reserve which has to be ready in case of disruption. we have emergency response responsibilities should another superstorm, and impact the energy infrastructure -- come, and impact the energy infrastructure.

we try to clearly curtail things . we will not be traveling to conferences, for example. impact.e serious i can't give you specifics right now. it will depend on how exactly this unfolds. we are still hoping to avoid it. we view this as an unnecessary activity that just impacts our delivery of services to the public. we will cope as best we can. host: ernest monee is joining us on newsmakers at the top of the z is joining us on "newsmakers" at the top of the hour. quote, republicans in the house of representatives showing unity endorsing the plan. a rapidfire series of votes that stretched past midnight.

then voted 231 to 192 to delay the law for a year. the house voting on a measure that would assure u.s. military personnel will be paid if the government shuts down. is joining us from pennsylvania. good morning. caller: good morning. comment. make a quick i been a democrat most of my life. i've watched c-span for a lot of years. pelosi and reid rammed this health-care law through the house and senate. later, we ended up with the tea party vote. i think it's a kos what you sow, you reap -- case of what you sow, you raep. -- reap.

host: thanks for the call. we go to richard in laurel, maryland. republican line. caller: good morning. debatebeen following the on the government shutdown. ,y take on this whole situation the financial waste that goes running agencies in the government -- to give you an nasa, you takeke the clinic run by nasa that is f.o.h. anded to subcontracted to another subcontract. the way these clinics run, there's hardly anybody that

comes their. there is maybe a patient or two. they pay the nasa medical director, the employees, the subcontractor. the whole thing is a waste and i , especiallyernment the republican party and democracy look into the amount of waste that the government foroyees enjoy getting paid hardly being productive or doing any work. i hope the government employees can be treated the same way as any private citizen who works hard. me as a physician, i sometimes see 40, 50 patients a day. here you see a government doctor that sees one patient a day. he or she is paid all the benefits, paid everything. this ties into obamacare, where i'm afraid in the future with

all the bureaucracies, the , itontract, the whole thing will be very difficult to find. couple of comments from social media. first, this tweet. send in your comments. our hashtag anytime is cspan chat. -- richard smith our next caller joins us from rockaway, new york, on the independent line. caller: i'm calling in agreement with the lady who sent in a

suggestingnew jersey that the immigration bill send it back to the house so we can compromise. , forwould be a better idea everybody to have something for them. host: thanks for the call. this is from ed o'keefe, who talked about outside interest groups involved in this effort. if photograph of john boehner walking into his office in what was a rare weekend session. revel in the fight. at a big influence from heritage usa, these outside groups -- pointing out big influence from heritage usa, these outside groups. the kind of action they support. thetional coordinator for

tea party patriots a plotting republicans for their courage and refusal to be cowed by the send and president. -- senate and president. a caller on the line from texas. senator joseph mccarthy went on a witchhunt back in the 1950's. ted cruz and the tea party on a witchhunt against obama. known as the to be ones who fiddled while a whole country burned. outrageous that they can't separate their fight against obamacare from this government funding matter. it's ridiculous. they have no concept of what governing means when they are so rigid and so determined over and over again to try to repeal a law that was passed regardless of how it was passed. it is the law of the land.

the preparations have been in place for a few years now. before the law even really takes effect, they're on a witchhunt. thank you. back at president bill clinton, and then newt gingrich from the new york times. the headline, the new crisis looms. the last major shutdown in late 1995 and early 1996 pave the way for sweeping bipartisan compromises, including tax and budget changes that both congressional republicans and the president were please to call their own.

jim is joining us from dallas, texas on the republican line. good morning. i want to make a comment. for most of the headlines you it's the showing, house republicans that put us in a situation where we have a possible shutdown of the government. i don't see it that way. months the house republicans have passed bills, send them to the senate to prevent any possibility of a shut down. they were at the same time trying to repeal the aca. the newest bills to come out of have not use the word repeal. they have used the word delay

for a year, which is something president obama did for companies. it's fair that that same thing be extended to individuals. i don't like the idea that the media is pushing that there are house leadinghe the majority of republicans around. case, i'm glad to have republicans do some change. during the bush administration, there was a lot of spending done by republicans as well. i'm glad there's been a shift for younger members coming in that are more considerate of future generations that will have to pay a bill on these things. the: one final point to

earlier caller, $17 trillion in fiddled the tea party while the country died? a tweet. the house and senate campaign -- convene tomorrow. a piece indicating that the senate will not take up the current version of the house bill. of the get perspective co-authors. both longtime watchers of congress and capitol hill. we will turn our attention to the health-care law. the implementation of the affordable care act and the impact all this has on the economy. the next big debate over raising the debt limit. all tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern time, 4:00 for you on the west coast. "newsmakers" is coming up next.

hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] klevenis to say what the limit is doing anything to do with obamacare? the answer to that is who is to say the spokes person, to prepare for health care reform. the way transforming care is delivered to patients. she added the $300 million with a cut from the annual budget.