one of the issues standing in the way is obamacare. nobody knows what the rules are. employers are scared to hire new and for what reason? the house has done its work. we passed a bill on saturday night that would delay obamacare for one year and will eliminate permanently the medical device tax that is costing us tens of thousands of jobs that are being shipped overseas. the senate so decided not to work yesterday. if there are such an emergency, where are they? it is time for the senate to listen to the american people, just like the house has, and pass a one-year delay of obamacare and a permanent repeal of the medical device tax.

the housetol hill gavel out just before 11:00 this morning after debating two noncontroversial bills. they are now in recess. a couple of tweets to pass on. how longsman was asked congress is expected to be in he said late. also, at 2:00 there'll be strategy. if there are remarks afterward, we will have them for you. we will likely hear the agenda for the senate for the day after they have cap old then. senators will offer general speeches until 5:00 when harry reid will be recognized.

today, the white house briefing with jay carney where we expect or remarks and questions about a government shutdown. supposed to start at 1:00 p.m. eastern. we will have it live. house republicans held a news conference on the steps of the capitol. included kathy rogers, who spoke first. >> ok. good sunday afternoon. with me are several of my colleagues from the house.

we were here almost midnight last night taking action. after midnight. taking action where the house would stay open the senate doors are locked. they're shut down. if the senate doesn't act, it may be inevitable. the senate needs to act. why are they waiting? why aren't the doors open? i would like to have my colleagues share some of their perspective starting with tim griffin. >> tim griffin, second district of arkansas. you know, i think the fact that the senators aren't here and harry reid is off somewhere is all of the evidence you need to know that they want to shut down the government. i've been told that by high level democrats in town that

this has been a plan for a while. i personally believe that senator reid and the president want to shut down the government for political reasons. they blamed every bad thing in the world on sequestration which was the president's idea, they made decisions within the agencies to make the pain as bad as it could be. i believe that's the plan here. the only evidence you need, folk, is the fact that they're not here. this is the old football strategy. you run out the clock because you think you like where you are. that's exactly what's going on here. if they really -- if they really cared whether this government

would shut down or not, they would be here instead of saying that they'll be back tomorrow afternoon at some point. at some late hour, they'll pass something and then they'll say, oh, my gosh, we've run out of time. well, yeah, they've run out of time. they're not here. that is precisely what they're doing.we were here until way in the morning last night to do what we can. we heard my way or the highway. we've had two proposals that we sent over to them, they're stuck on the first one. sounds like my way or the highway is the senate way. so we're just asking them in good faith, come back and do what is required in a democracy and that's to negotiate and work with us instead of being off wherever they are today. so we ask them to come back and get something done and work with us to avoid a shutdown. i think a shutdown is bad policy

and i think it's bad politics and we're doing everything we can to avoid it. i will turn it over to some of my colleagues here. give your name and your district. >> i'm marsha blackburn from tennessee, tennessee's seventh congressional district. we were just talking. i said we could have a great country album going on in this. i could say "o brother, where art thou?" but now it's "o senate, where art thou?" they're too preoccupied yesterday. too busy to come back today. what they're trying to do is shut down the government. this is what president barack obama wants. this is all part of his game plan. shut it down so he can get the checkbook and so he and attorney general eric holder can decide

what parts of the federal government are going to stay open. now, they keep saying, oh, well, it's all because of obamacare, well let me tell you something right now, we have tried to work with them with the issues. the american people have asked us repeatedly to address the cause, the inconvenience, the loss of access to health care and jobs that have come about because of obamacare. we are doing our job on behalf of the american people. we continue to invite the president and the senate to come work with us and to help us negotiate the issues around the continuing resolution and the debt ceiling. so, senate, get on back to town. >> we are here to work. and the senate has been absent for two full days.

we're doing the work of the american people, our constituents, we all have families. we're here. unlock those doors, i say to harry reid, and come out and do your job. the senate must act. they must, must act. we do not want to shut this government down. it's wrong, and we want to work and negotiate and get the job done. where is the senate? >> on friday, harry reid makes it clear we're going to take just a lazy break until monday at 2:00. the clock's running out. and they're not here. it was our way or the highway is what the senate said on friday. and we hear from senate democrats and the president that obamacare is the law.

so just forget about it. it's not changing. i would remind the president harry reid, senate democrats, the debt ceiling is the law as well. and unless you want that shoved back in your face, you need to be flexible and help american people. we've heard from hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people in my office who have already been hurt by obamacare. he's given hundreds and hundreds of waivers and exemptions to cronies and those who supported him in the election. and who's left out? the american people. the american people want an exemption, want a waiver for at least a year. he's given it to business. now, come on back and let's do the right thing by america and let's give the american people an exemption for a year as well. that's all we ask.

>> i grew up on the farm. when you grow up on the farm, you work until the job is done. i would say, hey, dad, i'm done. he'd say, yeah, it's not done well enough, do it again. i learned the value of staying at it until you get the job done. we care about the people that we represent. they deserve better than they get right now when the senate leaves them high and dry and we might have a democratic shutdown in this country. we do not need that. that's why we're here working. we ask the senate to come back, get the job done, show you care about the american people. we're going to continue to be here until this job is done because we care. thank you.

>> shawn duffy, wisconsin 7. it is 4:13 on sunday afternoon. we are less than 32 hours away from a government shutdown. and where's the senate? they're not here. listen, the american people need to understand this is divided government. and when you have divided government, you need both sides to come together, work together to get the job done. the job doesn't get done when the senate doors are closed and we're 32 hours away from a shutdown. let's come together. let's work together. let's do the job for the american people. that doesn't happen unless they're here. so tomorrow coming back at 2:00 in the afternoon, 10 hours away from a shutdown, our country expects more than that. they deserve better than that. come back today, let's work together. let's keep the american government open and running. thanks.

>> the american people asked us to do two things, to address the health care law because it's hurting middle class americans. they also asked us to keep the federal government funded. we tried now twice to do that with this senate. the american people expect leadership in addressing these issues. leadership is not about sitting in a big office. ask you today, where is the leadership in the senate? the house is here, we're going to be here, we're going stay here until the house is finished. i urge the senate to come back. i'm glad to invite to the

microphone our distinguished majority leader in the senate, harry reid. [laughter] i'm sorry, harry's not here today. maybe he'll show up later. [laughter] >> this was the plan of the democrats. i'm congressman dana rohrabacher, 48th congressional of california. democrats say the republicans want to shut down the government. their plan is to shut down the government and blame it on us. the american people want to assess what's going on here, last night the republicans, after a long time of discussion and consideration, decided on what our compromised position would be. we reached out to the senate. we reached out to the democrats

who control the senate with a compromised position. that is, when you have two sides fundamentally opposite of each other but we respect each other's right to disagree, you try to reach a compromise. the republican party which now controls the house offered our compromise. if this government shuts down, it is because the senate, the democrats who control the senate, playing politics want to shut down the government because they have refused to even consider the compromise that we have offered. this president negotiates with all kinds of despots and terrorist leaders. he won't even negotiate with us. we have reached out. we've offered the compromise. let's have a one-year delay. obamacare isn't even ready to launch anyway. let's give it a one-year to consider for the american people and the government people could get ready. we've offered the compromise. they're turning us down.

they're the ones who are shutting down the government. >> i'm virginia foxx from the fifth district of north carolina. i think my colleagues have stated the case very well. but let's put it in even simpler terms -- two branches of this government -- two parts of the three-part equation are controlled by the democrats. the senate's controlled by the democrats. the president is controlled by the democrats. and i want to say we need to use the word "control" and not leadership. there's a total lack of leadership here because leadership will be working to get things done. what they're doing is aiming for a shutdown of the government. you hear republicans constantly talking about keeping the government open, not closing the government. it's only the democrats who talk

about wanting to shut down the government. their attempt is to blame it on republicans. but you know what? again, they're 2/3 of the equation. it's pretty simple. even most kids can understand that. they have 2/3 of the opportunity here to solve this problem. we're 1/3. so let's -- the senate should be here. the senate should be working on this issue. and the president should be joining them. >> tom reid from new york, 23rd congressional district. i wanted to simply state this. if this government goes into a shutdown -- and we're working to avoid that in the house -- understand what it goes to shut down on. the senate has a package in front of it to delay obamacare for one year. president obama delayed it one year with his pen for big business. we're just asking on behalf of all of the other americans, mr. president, harry reid, treat american citizens equally. it's only fair that the delay in

obamacare that the president says should occur for big business we believe should also occur for every other american. treat each other equally and treat us fair, mr. president, avoid this shutdown, senate, come back, accept the compromise, and let's move forward and work out our differences. thank you. >> pennsylvania 12, a freshman member. i have to say, i'm very frustrated. here we are the day before september 30. i came out of a long career in the private sector where deadlines mattered. and you worked overtime and you worked long and hard to get the job done. it's frustrating that the senate majority leader is not bringing the senate back until tomorrow but he needs to get back here because we want to address the problems, solve the problem, we voted to keep the government open and we're going to work hard to keep the government open. thank you. >> kevin cramer, the state of

north dakota, where i represent the entire state where we have 25,000 job openings that pay very, very well. if you come to north dakota, you better be prepared to put in a long, hard day to earn that good pay. and i can tell you i've been very frustrated at the work ethic in the chamber above us. whoever you blame, whatever your position is in the issues of the day, the issue today is that at the end of the day tomorrow, we meet a deadline. and we're here to work. compromise requires two sides, negotiation requires two sides. tim, a football game requires two teams. picking up your ball and going home makes for sort of a lousy game. these are big issues. i'm here to work through the

weekend, and i expect the senate do the same. the people demand it and the people deserve it. >> john carter from the 31st district in texas. last night in the debate we heard a litany from our democrat colleagues across the aisle of all of the terrible things that were going to happen when this government shut down. it was almost 30 minutes just one thing after another after another. this is at the time when the republicans were introducing a bill to protect our soldiers and our military from anything that would hurt them on their pay as a shutdown. and they were acting as if it was automatic we were shutting it down. but we were introducing a bill to continue the government.

today, the senate has the opportunity if they were here to continue the government. instead, they take a walk. there might be a crusading reporter here might get on the phone and start calling senate residents here in washington that you might find they haven't even left town. most have them live here most of the time. most of us live someplace else, to work here. if you want to make a news story, call them up and see if they are here, you never know. if they did their job after last night, who's trying to shut down the government? that's not hard. even in texas, we can figure that out. >> todd mcclintock from the fourth district of california.

if harry reid wants to avoid the shutdown, why aren't they here? this process was designed to work with a bicameral system where the house exercises its best judgment and the senate exercises its best judgment. both sides have done that. then they're supposed to come together and negotiate their differences. the entire process is built on that premise. for 225 year, when crises have loomed over this capitol, the house and the senate have done that. they've gotten together and compromised out their differences. this is not happening now. the process cannot work in this function. the lights are on, but nobody is home back there. the question that we have to ask, is this a specific design of harry reid and his followers to deliberately shut down this government?

>> my background is as a veterinarian. i didn't come here for a job, this is for a cause for this country. the problems are bigger than the republicans and the democrats. these problems need to be put in front of us. they need to come together. i heard a lot of theatrics and a lot of drama that the republicans wanted to close down government. anything but that. nobody wants that done. but the words coming from our districts are that the american people want us to deal with the affordable care act in a real way. and so the republicans are here and my question is, where's mr. reid and where's the president? we're here to solve these problems and i'd sure love to have them here and i'm sure you would and the american people would, too. thank you. >> i'm another floridian, john micah from florida's seventh district. i think we voted over 40 times, most of us here, voted over 40 times to repeal or do away with

obamacare. yesterday, last evening, working into this morning, we voted for a compromise -- some of us maybe didn't like it -- it was to just put a one-year restraint on obamacare, which again you heard is already done for business. now, we're here to do the people's business. we're here till this morning. they have six, seven, eight hours to get folks back here. they're not here. this boils down to basically a plan to close down the government, to not appear to the last minute, shove a bill back, and try to blame the republicans. but what's really happened is today, the day they should be working, the united states senate is a-w-o-l.

>> questions? >> you kind of got some tourists here. normally you don't have press conferences with tourists around, some of whom presumably traveled a great distance at great expense to see the nation's capitol. what do you say to them? >> our message is one that the republicans want to keep this government open. we have taken action to keep the government open. and we're calling on the senate to come back, do their job. there's two bodies in congress for a reason. and just because one body hasn't done its job doesn't mean that the other doesn't want to. and we've shown -- we've acted, we've shown the leadership. we need the senate to act now. >> many of you talked about the problems you have with health care and the opportunities and the concern you have of a government shutdown. which is worse, the government shutdown or having obamacare in

place? >> we have put a bill -- we have put legislation on the table, obviously, that would keep the government open and delay the obamacare for one year, as well as eliminate the medical device tax. this is what we're hearing from the people we represent. we represent people back home who sent us here. we have a responsibility to act upon what they've asked us to do. we hear from them. they want to keep the government open, but they are also panicked over this health care law. and the -- >> weigh this on a scale, which is worse -- >> compromises in between. >> yeah. >> there are -- >> let me say this, i've got a little different perspective than maybe a lot of you. the differences between us and the senate on substance are often great. we can have that conversation. but they've got to be here to have it. the point of this is a disagreement on substance. i give you that.

the point is how can you say you care one whit if you're not here. you get to work. that's is what this is about. that we can work those differences out at some point. but it cannot happen when these folks are not here. that is the point. i think your question illustrates the problem. you're asking us to negotiate with themselves. you ask us to make the choices which one weighs more. we're saying to the senate, tell us which one ways more than you.

we are not here to negotiate with ourselves. here to negotiate with the people who are not here. call your senator. >> were there any republican senators invited here, and where are your pumpkin members of the senate? we have heard nothing from them it on. was organized by the house. we believe the senate leadership in the house, which is a right now,adership they need to act. we've heard from the president, we've heard from the senate democrats that they think it should be a clean cr and a clean debt ceiling. you know, that is taking the easy way out. and that's the foolishness that got us into the place and has frustrated the american people that they see status quo coming

out of washington, d.c., and we're here to say -- we're here to -- >> excuse me -- >> he was elected by the american people. >> ma'am. ma'am -- >> reporters. >> sit down. >> if i may, if i may. is. >> i was elected. i represent -- >> you have individual constituencies and -- >> we are representing the people that we all work with. >> what are the options? >> we're waiting for the senate act.>> they need to have the debate in the senate.

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>> what are the next steps. what are the next options?

>> we are waiting for the senate to act. they need to have the debate. the majority leader needs to listen to the american people. he needs to listen to the people who are crying out. they want this on workable, affordable, health care law that is hurting people. they want relief from government that is spending beyond its means. that is what we want the senate to act on and we will keep pushing the senate. i have a question. [indiscernible] cr were to come up to the membership, it would pass. is that your sense? >> [indiscernible] >> you do not think that is right -- >> thank you so much.

[indiscernible] >> and what do you think about [indiscernible] >> i think they are grandstanding. that is their reality. it is not reality. when they are covered too often and too much, and they are eloquent people, that the american people start to think there is a point there. it is just grandstanding, just carrying on. it is all made up for the camera. it is so artificial. >> what did they say that let your fuse? >> it was at the end when she said that thing we have heard a million times, that her constituents are panicked.

they are panicked by obamacare. i am livid. it is called obamacare. it is the affordable care act. i love barack obama, that he did not do it, the democrats did it. it is not perfect, but it means people have insurance, and the democrats do not even explain it. it is a moral issue that people will have ensures if we pass this law. they act like it is all strategy and tactics, and it is all not. at least people would get more insurance them and these people, they know that. i cannot believe they do not know that. i am angry. >> could you give us your name again, ma'am? >> cathryn carroll. >> and you live in baltimore? >> i'm from baltimore.

i live around here. >> what do you do? >> i teach? >> i teach english. >> for what grade? >> college. >> thank you. >> the few house members come here to say we are here. they tried to change the whole discussion to the fact that the senate is not here. that is not the point. they have had this legislation pending and they did not do anything. and then they add something to --about medical devices excuse me. you know, it is absolutely a charade and it breaks my heart. that is all. [indiscernible] just stumbled in, yes. i was -- \ [indiscernible] and you live in the d c area?

>> i do. cathryn. thank you. [indiscernible] >> hearing from house republicans and others yesterday on the steps of the u.s. capitol. gavel in for about an hour this morning. right now the house is in recess waiting to see what the senate does with the house-past spending bill. a spendinge-passed bill. it also includes removing

funding for the nation's health care law. also today, we expect a briefing with minority leader pelosi. before then, senate democrats holding a meeting at the u.s. capitol at 1:15 eastern. gavels in at 2:00 eastern, and we will likely hear theygenda shortly after gavel in. senators are expected to offer general speeches until 5:00 p.m., and then harry reid will take the floor. you can see the senate live on c-span2. an overview of you have taken the social media to offer your thoughts on the congressional stalemate over funding. --te says gop members

you can tweet us. you may hear your remarks on the air. a reminder that later today the white house briefing with jay carney. we expect to hear more remarks and questions on e-government shutdown at 1:00 p.m. eastern in about 25 minutes. he will have it live on c-span when it gets started. while we wait, a discussion on the start of enrollment in the health changes set to open tomorrow, part of the nation's health care law. we turn to the affordable care act and our series with reporters from kaiser health news. today we are joined by a senior than 24 hoursless before the exchanges are set to open across the country as part

of the affordable care act, we are looking at a looming government shutdown. impacte shutdown tomorrow what is happening with the exchanges? not at all. the exchanges are ready to go. they have gotten most of the federal money over the last couple of years. the shutdown involves annual discretionary spending. most of the money being spent on the affordable care act is mandatory spending. that has already gone out the door, it has to be spent regardless. if this does happen at midnight, people will see no difference tomorrow. unless this thing goes on for months, which has not happened ever. host: what will happen tomorrow? guest: the first thing is, this is a big moment. the online marketplaces where

people can go and sign up for health care coverage. they will go on to a website, healthcare.gov will be the main website to find out which website your state. or if your state is relying on the federal government, you go right there. you start shopping for plans. you will plug in your zip code, your age, your income. out will come information on the plans available. you can go through them based on plans that cover hospitals, the price that you want. you can compare premiums, deductibles. this is the first time people will compare plans. coverage does not again until january. there is no hurry. if you want to wait a few weeks, go on around halloween, that is fine. there is no early bird special. the deadline is actually december 15, that is the

deadline to sign up to have coverage by january 1. host: letting the bugs get worked out. what are some of the bugs that will need to be worked out? guest: as the president and the health and human services department have been telling us, there will be some snags. they have delayed a couple things. the spanish-speaking version will not start for a couple weeks. the exchange for small businesses, businesses with less than 50 employees, will not start for another month. those are a couple examples of things being delayed. for the most part, most people should not experience it. some states, like oregon, have decided you will be able to go online and shop, but to complete the enrollment you will have to call a navigator to help you or

call the exchange or fax your information. but they do say by november, you should be able to do the whole process online. host: talking with phil galewitz of kaiser health news. helping us walk through the opening of the exchanges. we want to hear from you if you have questions or comments about exchanges. doing the lines a little bit differently in this segment. mr. galewitz, you talk about folks having time to sign up. what are the numbers of what the administration thinks is going to sign up with the exchanges? guest: 7 million was the estimate by the congressional budget office. the obama administration has agreed that that is a good number to shoot for.

open enrollment, to have coverage by january 1 you have to enroll by december 15. this year, the open enrollment. will be six months. you will have until the end of march to enroll. in future years, the enrollment will only go through december. you will have a full six months to enroll. host: a lot of folks who are going to enroll will enroll near the deadline. here is a headline from "the washington post," white house predicts slow enrollment. what is a good protection for tomorrow? guest: there is no incentive to enroll on october 1. the deadline for october 1 was imposed by the administration itself. it was basically on the federal

government and on states to make sure that the websites would be up and running. people expect very few people, there is no incentive yet. this is not the first time the government has ever done an online enrollment health insurance program. the government has had medicare advantage and the medicare prescription drug program for many years. these programs usually have a couple months to sign up. most people don't sign up on the first day, no rush. host: taking your calls and comments. mississippi, on our line for those who are insured. caller: i have two questions. i am employed, but i work part time and i have a high deductible insurance. my question is, since i have heard on c-span that in mississippi there will be no medicaid expansion -- there is only one insurance

company on the market -- what happens come tax time for poor people who file insurance? my second question is, i know that there are new regulations regarding 501(c)3 hospitals. can you elaborate on those new rules and what the irs will be looking for? guest: you brought up medicaid. we have not talked about medicaid yet. under this program, the health- care law had a provision that everybody who made under 138% of the poverty level, almost $16,000 a year, would be on medicaid. when the supreme court upheld the act, they may the medicaid provision optional for states. about half of the states decided to go ahead and expand medicaid. it is being paid by the federal government the first 3 years.

after that, states will have to pick up the cost. some states have decided that they are still worried about the costs. some people have political issues with expanding medicaid. in mississippi, the state has decided not to expand medicaid. for people who fall under 100% of the poverty level, they will not have an option. you will be in the same situation you were before. if you cannot afford private coverage and you cannot be on medicaid, you are going to be out of luck. medicaid is key. the government expects about 9 million people to be added to medicaid just in the first year. that is a big number. that is medicaid. the other question you mentioned, hospitals. i am not sure what you are

relying on as far as the new rules. people wonder where does the money come from through this major expansion of coverage. some of the money is coming from hospitals, money that hospitals have been getting from medicare to help pay for coverage to the uninsured and medicaid as well. some of that is being scaled back. the hospitals in return are expected to have a lot more insured patients. hospitals, medical device companies, health insurers, they are all kicking in billions of dollars over many years to help pay for the coverage. host: she brings up the idea of choice in plans. why are some folks in some states going to have more choices in plans than others? guest: the law does not mandate that all insurance companies have to play it all markets. there is major variation in how many plans play in each market. the affordable care act, some

incentives for insurance companies, but a number of companies said that in the first year they want to wait it out and see how it works. a lot of sick, chronically ill people, they are going to be the first ones to apply. some insurance companies were wary. they want to step in a year from now. in some places there may only be a choice or no choice of plans. in most of the markets, about 95% of markets, there will be a choice of at least two or three. host: give us an example of what is happening in a state like kentucky. a unique lab for health law. guest: i went down to kentucky last week. kentucky is one of 16 states running its own exchange. we wanted to get an idea of how is the outreach going. they are spending millions of dollars trying to let people know about their new insurance

options. in kentucky, they have started handing out thousands of these shopping bags to people as a way of promoting it. inside the bag will be information on -- just like we are talking about -- how to enroll in the exchanges. they are actually expanding medicaid, so information on how to enroll. i went down there, one of the promotion events was at the kentucky bourbon festival. in talking to people there outside the booth where kynect was trying to connect people to new options, a lot of people were unfamiliar with the basic tenets of the affordable care act. they were unfamiliar about october 1 being the kickoff, starting in january people with pre-existing conditions will be

able to get coverage because their company can no longer take a health status into account for getting a price for insurance. from going to kentucky, this is familiar in other states, they are starting at scratch in getting the word out. also, they think they are ready, they think they have the website up, they think they're going to be able to enroll hundreds of thousands of people in kentucky. kentucky is one of the poorest, sicker states. their governor has embraced this. other politicians, mitch mcconnell, has been an outspoken critic of obamacare. they are hearing from some politicians about how the law is really bad and will bring down america. they are hearing from other politicians about how this will be a great thing. a lot of consumers and people in kentucky are not surprisingly confused. host: we have got lines set up for those who are insured and those who are uninsured. host: lois is calling in.

an independent on our uninsured line. caller: good morning and thank you for c-span. i am one of the uninsured persons. i would like to say that i have been on my job for like 10 years. i never could afford their insurance. this is even before obamacare. i have been on my job 10 years. i never took their insurance. the deductible is $25,000. the premium is too high. i always took the risk -- i cannot afford it. i have a family, i could not afford the insurance. i cannot wait until obamacare

comes and i'm going to sign up first thing. we have to realize and be sensible that most employers' premium was always too -- i also have a daughter, she has been in her job for six years. she could never could take her employer's benefit because she could not afford it. her kids are not covered, either. host: let's talk about premiums. what do we know about the premiums we're going to see tomorrow? guest: the big term that has come out over the next six months is "rate shock," where opponents of the law are saying that as soon as the exchange open, americans will experience rate shock. rates will go up 40% and 50%. in the last few weeks, the rate shock is turning out the other way. we are seeing people get coverage for free.

not only is the cost coming in lower, the subsidies that people can get -- if you fall between 100% of the poverty level and 400% of the poverty level -- that is about $16,000 for an individual to $46,000 -- the costs are coming in below. some examples that the government put out last week, a family of four in many cities could get coverage in florida for like $30 for the whole family if they make under a certain level of income, about $50,000 in this case. people are being surprised. this is not for everybody. older americans in their 40's, 50's, they are going to pay more. you brought up an important point about if you work at an employer now and you cannot afford the coverage they offer, you will have the option to go to the exchange.

a lot of people are offered coverage at work, but they cannot afford it and don't take it. there are two things going on. if you are finding coverage is unaffordable, you can go to the exchange. the other thing is the individual mandate. in 2014, most americans will be required for the first time to have health insurance. this does not apply if you are extremely poor and you cannot afford coverage. if you can't afford the coverage, you will be required. you will be required to show this when you do your taxes in 2015. host: talking with phil galewitz, a senior correspondent with kaiser health news. kaiser health news is an editorially independent news source and research and communications organization. they are not affiliated with kaiser permanente. we have been talking about the affordable care act in this segment of "washington journal." you brought up the idea of

subsidies. jim asked, let's talk about subsidies. how can the irs ever determine how many folks live in a household? guest: sure. it will depend on if you are a one-person, two person -- the government is going to be comparing the information that you fill out on these online exchanges to the data -- the federal government has a lot of data on you. if you fill out taxes, they can look in your taxes. the states can do this and the federal government can do this. they are also collecting other information, from equifax, a credit rating agency. they are using social security. they have a lot data to compare what you are filling out to see

if you are telling the truth. the subsidy is not based on your income today in 2013, it is based on your estimated income is in 2014. people with relatively lower incomes, their income varies a lot. it is hard to estimate. all of this will be rectified when you do your taxes in 2015. if you estimated your income higher than it should have been and it comes at lower, you are going to get money back. and then vice versa. host: new jersey, independent on our line for those who are in -- insured. caller: i hope that you will let me complete my line of reasoning. i am insured through my pension fund. earlier you had a tweet when the question was asked, in terms of the debt ceiling, the money has already been spent. the affordable care act is going to be enforced.

what is the big problem? my first premise is that the gridlock between the members of congress is a complete sham. over the past 60 years, there has been a combined effort among democrats and republicans -- and i have a question at the end of this i hope you can answer -- to, really, bring our country to the point of bankruptcy. they have done that so far. what will happen, and i think this is an important question for c-span2 focused in on, the government shuts down, the debt ceiling is not raised, our credit rating is reduced, the dollar collapses, it is no longer the reserve currency of

the world, what is -- all of this becomes academic. the focus needs to be on what is the true intent of this government in terms of preserving the national interests of our country? guest: let's try to address that. i cannot say what the one interest of the country is other than trying to preserve our democracy. the interest of the health-care law was largely to expand coverage to people who do not have health insurance. the last count that census did earlier this month, about 48 million americans don't have health insurance. this has been climbing for decades. presidents going back all the way to theodore roosevelt have been trying to ensure that americans don't go bankrupt if they get sick. it was the intent of the administration was to try to lower if not eliminate the number of uninsured.

this law will not eliminate all uninsured. we are not going to wake up in january 2015 and there'll be nobody without health insurance. but this goes a long way. there are estimates that this could help way more than half the uninsured. still, some people will fall out. illegal immigrants are not covered by this. that may be 8 million or 10 million people. people who are offered coverage but cannot afford even with the subsidies are not affected by the individual mandate, they will fall out and not be in sured. it does not help everybody that makes the biggest dent in providing coverage since the creation of medicare and medicaid in 1966. the other big problem is health care costs. this health-care law tries to highlight programs to change how it pays doctors and hospitals

to try and rein in health care costs. most people would say we don't know for sure whether they will work, but they are an attempt. they will be tried around the country. whatever they see working, they will try to expand. host: a few comments on twitter this morning on "washington journal." full health care is a basic human right. human health and live should not be traded for profit. another, if you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what the cost is when it is free. a question for you, mr. galewitz. if a millionaire has retired and his annual income is less than $50,000, can he get subsidies? guest: it is not assets. it is what your income is. i am assuming the millionaire is getting paid with stock dividends or has interest in the bank.

i would find it unlikely that his income is not going to be higher than that amount. assets do not matter. that is a key point. for medicaid in many states, they do look at your assets. if you have a car, you may be ineligible for medicaid. that is going to be taken away as far as medicaid as well. it will be based on your actual annual income. host: richard, pensacola, florida, our line for those who are uninsured. you are on with phil galewitz. caller: as a veteran with a service-connected disability, i get all the federal subsidy i need. i do not need this. what mr. galewitz has been pointing out is that health insurance companies benefit from the exemption from antitrust laws. other than complaining, i will give you a couple steps on how we can improve health care

without socializing it. you can repeal the health insurance companies' exempt from antitrust laws, you can allow states to buy as an aggregate, for self-employed people, have a one-to-one tax reduction. mr. galewitz keeps talking about free money, federal dollars. he is uninformed that there is no such thing as federal money. money. there is not one entity that makes a dollar -- host: let's let mr. galewitz jump in. guest: i agree. it is all our money. all the money is coming from taxpayers. people who do not -- people do not understand that a lot of money is being paid for coming from the industry.

there is a new tax on medical devices bringing in $30 billion. there is a tax on health insurance companies, they will be paying tens of millions of dollars. hospitals will be giving up some of their medicare money. that is over -- hundreds of billions of dollars. it is also coming from taxes on people on medicare who are rich, who are going to pay more. when i say some of the costs have come in, some premiums will -- it does not mean everything will be free. premiums are only one factor that we pay in health care costs. people who are gotten sick, people on medicare realize this. they have good coverage and pay their premium. if they get sick and they go to the doctor, they end up with co- pay after co-pay, they may be spending hundreds or thousands of dollars a year on co-pays and deductibles. when you go on the exchange and

let the covers, look at premiums but also what is the co-pay if i have to go to the emergency room? if i need rehab, the co-pay for these different areas. one of the simple ways the exchanges are put together being soldplans are in different tiers. we look at it this way. if you are someone who goes to multiple doctors every year, you know you will be seeing a lot of providers, it they pay for you to spend more in premiums, maybe $300 in premiums, went on the back side you will have lesser co-pays. it may pay for you to pay less in premiums and then just pay more in co-pays. there is no free lunch. there is no such thing as anybody getting anything for free. when premiums are lower, that is

one factor in what people are going to pay on health care costs. host: elizabeth writes in -- guest: no. it comes down to what your earnings are for your household. counted forare not how much you are going to be available for a subsidy. host: a question on the fines. startill the irs collecting fines from people who do not sign up for insurance? you fill out your taxes in 2015 there will be a box saying if you had health insurance. i am assuming you will have to put in your plan number that shows you are covered.

either medicare, medicare, v.a., a private health plan, you will have to put that down. put in there that you do not pay, the fine in the first year is either $95 or one 1% of your income. the irs will not have a huge police force, sending people fro to collect your fine. guess what -- the refund if you do not have health insurance. that is how the government will collect it. host: joann, good morning.

guest: i am unemployed so i buy i wouldealth insurance, rather have a huge desirable or a lower premium. i do not have that option. i am not too optimistic that tomorrow i will have more options being not in a group. i am wondering if how that works if my insurance is excellent and i am paying for it myself, will i be taxed on that? if your plan needs the same policy, you can continue.

that wings we are no longer going to see plans sold with huge deductibles that have become common. instead the more common deductibles will become $2000 or at most $5,000. he will not see these huge adoptable's anymore because the government is going to limit how much insurers require you to pay out-of-pocket. you've made be surprised. what your insurance, what is in your coverage now. a lot of people fear that we will see skinny coverage. we will have the opposite. 10 essential benefits are being included in the law, including hospitalization, doctors, prescription drugs, maternity coverage, rehabilitation -- all these things will be in the coverage. -- depending on how much

you pay for services. -- you may be pleasantly surprised. i am not sure you gave us your age, but another option for people under 30, who find on affordable coverage at work also have a choice in choosing the catastrophic options. deductible, a high soap under the law it will be a $5,000 deductible, the lowest cost premium. you will not be eligible for subsidies, but it will be the lowest premium you will get under catastrophic. let's talk about the navigators. here's a question from ron. thesks were navigators part of the aca? how are they paid for? navigators were something envisioned by the

health care law. this is a new system and people will need help. the tomorrow comes and exchange is open, there will be . lot of online information they do not know what a deductible is. they will also need a hand to hold them. calledre positions navigators to help out. here are some of the benefits, here is your state exchange. they do not eliminate the role of nx turns agent. a navigator will not tell you what policy is best. they may point to the options that are available in your state. the money coming from the affordable care act.

him guest: we are showing a map. guest: a lot of the south is falling under the federal exchanges. , florida had $16 million, which may sound like a has $6t delaware million. the they? are going to be universities, colleges, social services, planned parenthood.

they have been helping with medicare in choosing prescription plans for people for years. they will help understand people get options. they have had to apply for the ast..b#s.varentbad2,.bbagnum1260 they were not reaching

out to people. the whole idea was that insurance agents would do that. agents will still have a role. there is another website who said the national association of health underwriters, people who go on there and find a local agent who is trained on the affordable care act act who can help them. membersme visible playing the role of the navigators as well. here is a piece by joe biden. republicans are going to demonize it. come tuesday, americans will be able to see for themselves that the affordable care act is not about washington politics, but about regular people shopping for insurance they can finally afford and purchasing security

and people along with it. back to the phones, and deborah is wading in. it republican on our for those who are uninsured. me n my husband, we live in our camper, and we are about to fall through because of obamacare. we cannot afford insurance. he will tell me i will decpwhrwedontmeettdeductbleevery eerthamihubbedeaskphazzwinshuren s

i switch this to $200 a month. i am on social security. will i be able to surf the marketplace again and find something even less expensive? it is some 2500 dollars a year to 1000 a year. also when i can start with medicare and three years, will i be able to get some discounts they are in addition to the supplement program?

>> let me start with the thing. there is nothing on the exchanges. there is no selling of medicare. enrolled, youad would have to check. you may want to see if you can get out of that. now you will be eligible for the subsidies if you do not get them.

host: another subject that might be confusing some folks are concerns about delays of different parts of the affordable care act. can you take us through what some of the recent delays are, and do they affect any of these exchanges? guest: no, they should not. in terms of what is available, no, everything that has been going forth now is there. the shop exchange for small business will be delayed about a month. other states are having initial delays, but they expect that to be worked out in the next few weeks. host: other major delays or for other parts of the affordable care act, correct? some of the recent ones for businesses. guest: yes, and this should not have any impact on you going online tomorrow. for businesses, small business, there is no deadline. i talked about open enrollment going through the end of march. for businesses like that, enrollment does not end. they can always go back and check out their options. there is not a you can do right

now anyway. if they miss january, they can sign up in february, march, and so forth. when they turn on the lights at midnight tonight, there is still a lot that is unknown. nobody knows. the government told us this will work and the systems will work together. there is always a little bit of unknown until we see it. we will see what happens. host: on twitter -- is there a requirement that all health care records be electronically accessible for the affordable care act? given the nsa revelations, should we worry? guest: we should always have some questions, but, no, there

is no requirement that all your records will be electronic. from a couple years ago, doctors in the country were getting billions of dollars to upgrade their offices. instead of using paper and pen to take notes on you when you visited, they would use the computer. many doctors, until recently, were still using paper and pen. it has been shown that things are a lot safer and more efficient if you have electronic health care records. on thing that is important is that your health data should not matter. you're not going to have to go

on the exchanges and tell people what diseases you have. nobody should be asking what your health care history is. starting january 1, and no longer matters. it will matter if you're somebody who goes to the doctor more often than not. somebody may ask how often you go to the doctor and what hospitals you use in your area. you will look to see if your doctor is in the plan you are looking to buy. caller: hi, some kaiser news. we're 66 years old. we were with kaiser or 20 years. when we got our medicare last year, kaiser is $144. then we have $300 a month deducted from our social security, which we have no option over. the navigators that are hired, their felons. obama hired a bunch of felons to do this. they will be looking at the kaiser information. host: why do you say they are

felons? caller: we have dropped kaiser. by the way, our co-pay under obamacare has gone from $10 every time to $30. guest: first, kaiser health news is a part of the kaiser family foundation. we have no affiliation at all with kaiser permanente. these are two completely different organizations. you mentioned you are 66, so i am guessing you are on medicare. medicare has not been affected by this. talking about co-pays going up because of obamacare -- actually, people on medicare, the co-pays are going down in many cases. one benefit was free preventative services. so the co-pay should be going down. as far as felons and navigators, like i mentioned before, the government has hired nonprofit

groups often and other private organizations to help people enroll in medicare without controversy. this time, a lot of states resisted. florida and texas have tried to put up more rules which proponents of the affordable care act see as roadblocks. this is why some of the navigators have been somewhat slow. not all the states will have all the navigators up by tomorrow. it may still be a few more weeks. a lot of these states just gather navigator money in the last month, so they are playing catch-up. host: phil galewitz, senior correspondent with kaiser health news. you can follow him on twitter. thanks for joining us this morning. next in our weekly "your money" segment, we will be joined by

>> the white house report versus -- was supposed to start at 1:00. it is right behind. we'll have coverage when it starts.

>> we're waiting for the started today's briefing.

earlier today president obama said he is not get in -- given up hope to avert a government shutdown. he said after a meeting with israeli prime minister benjamin now who he would be calling congressional leaders this afternoon. but is stillut the met. noticeis according to a sent to senate offices that was attained by politico. a couple of the things we may hear addressed. a roundtable discussion on the device in congress from today's "washington journal."

clicks we are continuing this discussion on the possible government shutdown. you have written two books on why the american government is so dysfunctional. they find this just hours from a shutdown. does it surprise you? >> i wish it did. it is entirely predictable. the firsted in edition of our book our politics become intensely partisan, even tribal. it does not fit with our governing institution. one of our political parties has appeared sharply to the right. there is a willingness to use it to achieve what they have

decided our the only proper objectives for america. >> we can get more into the differences. his more serious than past moments of gridlock? >> i was a little bit surprised that we will be at this particular impasse now after the 2012 election. some of the difficulties are part of it permanent campaign that are always focused on bringing down your opponent to green -- to gain traction. his number one goal was to make barack obama a one term president. one might have imagined that there would be a year or two where you could focus back on governing. after all, he achieved his next goal of making obama a two-term president.

he will not be a three term president. rightribalism took hold away. it is self stunning. it has now let us close to the this -- close to the abyss. it is moving ahead with the debt ceiling where we have seen these games played before. now we're much closer to disaster than i have ever seen before. >> any thoughts of whether a compromise can be reached? >> it could be. it won't. compromise ise a for speaker weiner. bill that the senate will go to the house this afternoon. clean, continuing

resolution before the full house. would carry all the democrats and enough republicans to prevent the shutdown. weiner has said it would be very unpopular within his own caucus. he may have made a calculation that now is the time to let his party members feel some of the public reaction to the shutdown to give him a little leg up and avoid a public default in two weeks. >> and you two wrote a piece in the washington post ahead of this shutdown fight. it was our fantasy in congress that gets stuff done. that was published on august 29. a month removed from publishing

that piece and looking ahead to this fight down the road, do you think congress can get this done in >> it's look grimmer and grimmer. the frustrating thing is our fapt si should be close to reality because what we are talking about is moving our economy back on track does not involve dramatic movement away rom fundamental principles for either. we are talking about making some adway in terms of -- >> good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. thank you for being here. thank you for your parings. of course i wanted to make sure that you heard the president's remarks at the end of his meeting with the israel prime

minister, prime minister netanyahu in addition to his comments about the meeting about our relationship with israel, our unshakable support for israel's security, the discussion it is two leaders had about syria and iran and the middle east peace process among other things. the president took a question and answered it about the fact that as of now it is up to the house of representatives to decide whether or not they want to shut down the government in order to make an ideological point or whether they will llow the senate's lead and pass a extension of government funding at current levels for a number of weeks so that we can get about the business of discussing and negotiating a longer term budget agreement. with that, i will take your questions.

>> can you talk more about what the president said about having conversations with leaders on the hill, did that include speaker boehner sand he making any progress? >> i think the president said what we've said which is you can expect he will be having conversations with leaders on the hill as he has in the past and i assume that would include the speaker of the house. the point i think though is that we are at a moment where the house of representatives has to decide and the speaker of the house and the leaders of the house and the house republicans must decide whether roughly 60 members of his caucus, the tea party faction will dictate to the american people whether the government will shut down because they have not been able to achieve through normal means their ideological agenda which is to repeal and do away with in

some manner or other the affordable care act. the ironny of course being that tomorrow enrollment begins in the affordable care act and millions of americans for whom access to affordable insurance has been but a dream, there will be the opportunity to enroll in the affordable care act through the exchanges in the marketplaces and receive come january 1 affordable health insurance for the first time. and that's going to happen. nothing will alter that. that will happen. >> a couple of follow ups on that, can you say whether he's spoke on the speaker boehner? >> i don't have any conversations to read out. the president of course will speak with leaders in the coming days. again, there is nothing here to debate. the president has made clear all year long he is willing and

eager to negotiate over our budget priorities and to reach a common sense solution to funding our government. that's what his budget was about which many of you wrote about and correctly assessed to represent compromise. and we have encuringed republicans to compromise all year long and the president has met with many members of congress of the republican party over the course of the year to have those discussions. what he will not do is go along with the idea that the government should be shut down over this desire to unwind history and achieve through threat and extortion what republicans couldn't do through the legislative process or through the election process. it's just fair to the american people or to the millions of americans who will have access to affordable health insurance

for the first time. >> will the president veto a resolution that included a provision killing the afford able? >> we will not. this is extortion. the republicans will tell you who support this extortion game will tell you that that's compromise. we just want you to do this on the affordable care act and chip away here or delay there. and they will tell you that the ultimate goal and purpose of this is to do away with the affordable care act, to take away the benefits from the millions of americans and increase the deficit dramatically while doing it. but in the end they want to do that for a continuing resolution that will fund the government for 45 days, 60 days. what comes next? what will they demand next?

part of it they want everybody's boss to tell every woman in america whether or not they can get continue septemberive coverage. they want to attach that to this debate. this is not as others have said, this is not the way congress tuth operate and it irresponsible and wreckless to hold the functioning of the government hostage to these i had logical imperatives. >> there is no sign of any movement isn't a shutdown inelvettable this evening in >> the president said and i agree with that i mean he is not resigned to a shutdown because there is an avenue open to the house after they do what we expect after they clean back a clean cr which continues funding the government at current levels. it contains no concessions to the democratic agenda or

president's agenda, just continues funding for a couple of wikse to allow negotiations the president is eager to engage in. that's the responsible thing to do. the irresponsible thing is to attach a lot of demand to this simple proposition of funding the government and not shutting it down and say you'll shut it down if you don't get what you want? >> you're not detecting any signs of any movement? >> i used to walk the halls as a reporter and knew more back about minute by minute developments. i did that during the last shutdown. i leave it to your colleagues to tell me more precisely what the thinking of the house republican leadership is. >> how will the shutdown affect white house staffing? >> well the white house like other agencies within government is affected. there will be reductions in

staff. we'll have a skeletal staff. there is essential staff had is exempted or accepted which is the proper term and that's true in other areas. but it will be an extremely lean operation if this comes to pass. >> will he go on this trip to asia this week snend >> we don't have any changes to announce. the president as president looks forward and to and believes it is important to travel to asia to promote our economic interest in asia and our strategic interest in asia. there are americans jobs that can be created through this engagement with asia, the fastest growing region of the world. so we have this trip scheduled and we intend to take it. we'll see what happens as the week unfolds.

>> i want to follow up on what steve sefment you said there will be a skeletal staff and lean operation if the shutdown happens. could you give us a breakdown? could you give us numbers? >> i would refer you to the office of management and budget which hand tls specifics and can give you more information. but those of you who know if you're as old as i am and remember what it was like in the mid 1990's and remember what you reported just when there was the potential to shut down, there are significant reductions in staff and furloughs that take place here as elsewhere if a shutdown occurs. >> and that staff that will be not coming in on furlough will not be paid, decphrect >> that's my understanding but i he is date to answer these technical questions because there are far better sources for

that specific information. >> understanding today that even the white house is trying to still parse through all the technical tiss of the effects on the white house from a shutdown, is that the case, could you talk to us about some of the things you're dealing with? >> there are effects here and throughout the government. but theas peal in comparison to the impact a shutdown would have on women and children and seniors. shortly after a shutdown federal funding for the women, infants and children program may not be sufficient to cover benefits and agencies may have to cut off services. senior nutrition grants which help two and a half million seniors annually remain healthy and independent by providing meals and related services would not be funded. programs that our nation's veterans depend on would be

affected. for example veteran call centers and regional offices would be effective immediately. so those services that help veterans understand their benefits including call centers and regional offices would be closed. educational counseling for veterans would be limited. veteran business support centers would be immediately closed and should a lapse extend through late october pension and other veteran benefits would be cut off. important research and consumer safety programs would be halted included research into life threatening diseases, work to protect consumers ranging from child product safety to financial security to the safety of hazardous waste facilities would sees. the sandy recovery efforts, the west texas investigation and fire response grants would be halted. and on that i just want to point

out when it comes to emergency disaster relief there is the fund that is operational. so should there be a disaster there would be funding available for initial and immediate emergency relief but what would be affected by the shutdown are the ongoing sanity recovery efforts and investigation into the explosion in texas and the like. those are the impacts that matter. we like every other agency would be affected. but it's folks out in the country who will be affected that concerns us most. >> thank you for that information. but again, how will the resident plan to go to asia if there is a skeletal crew and lean operation here? >> the president said today not long ago he is not resigned to the idea that the government will shut down. he remains hopeful that the house will come to the reasonable decision that it is appropriate to simply extend

funding of the government further for several weeks in order to allow for the kind of negotiations they claim they want about our budget priorities. so he remains hopeful, at least not resigned to the fact of a shut dourn. when it comes to the make nicks of the trip and the people and equipment that gets positioned abroad for a trip like this i would have to refer you to the agencies involved. >> one of the other proposals floating around an capitol hill would be a really short term c.r., like in terms of a week to keep the government running. you have described that as toll booth government. wouldn't a one-week c.r. be the ultimate toll booth government? >> i'm not going to respond to ideas floating around the hill. there are tons of them.

the option available as i understand it to the house, to the speaker will be the opportunity follow the senate's lead in funding the government for a number of weeks in a clean continuing resolution and we would support that. this process, again, has been one where a small faction of very extreme faction of republicans in the house has essentially forced its leadership to go along with the proposition that it is better to shut down the government with all of the negative effect that is we've talked about and better than to default for the first time in history than allow a law that was passed and signed and upheld by the supreme court to be implemented. a law that would provide millions of americans who do not have insurance access to affordable insurance. one might sur mice that the extremeageta that you see among

republicans right now over the affordable care act is the direct result of the fact that beginning tomorrow there is a concrete development that means that millions of americans will for the first time be able to sign up for that insurance. and i've seen republicans say it will be a lot hard tore get rid of obama care once these individuals who have had a hard time getting affordable healthcare are able to see the benefits the affordable care act provides to them. again, i'm not going to negotiate ideas that are floated to me from any row of this briefing room except we don't think political agenda items ought to be -- well, maybe from he front but -- i think i'll make it blanket opposition to

that. but let me just say that congress ought to do it's job. it only has a few absolute functions and one of them is to ensure that the government and its essential operations are funded. another is to ensure that the united states pays its bills as it has throughout the entire history of the nation. >> let me follow up quick. in the last couple of weeks, democrats including the president have -- and he has not used all these words but i'll throw out some of them have referred to republicans as sonists, blake mailers, -- blackmailers. >> they talk about bombs being strapped to chest. it is as if the white house is trying to taunt republicans into shutting the government down. >> that is thot the case.

-- not the case. mr. mcconnell referred to the economy being a hostage that they could take in negotiations with the president. so i don't think this is that either side has exclusive rights to or has used in the past. when it comes to funding the government or paying our dets, the democrats and the president on one hand are asking for nothing, no concessions, no ideological riders, no special t projects, no political got cha items in exchange for the government funding, in exchange for congress ensuring that we do not default. republicans on the other hand are attaching in the concrete bills they've passed and in

their imaginations when they talk about what they'd like to attach all sorts of political agenda items, some of them wildly inconsistent with where the american people want the country to move and that includes issues unrelated to the budget and the dets and deficits we must manage and the responsibility of congress to ensure we don't default. >> two questions, one, this is no longer such a hypothetical since mitch mcconnell hot lined a c.r. to the senate in the last hour. there looks like there is movement on that. congress is keeping the government funded -- >> you mentioned this happened in the last couple of minutes so i'm not going to give you a statement of administration policy but it's our position that congress ought to make sure the government doesn't shut down

and not to attach any ideological poison pills or any agenda items they can't achieve through the normal process. but we'll have to see what congress does. there is a lot of movement in congress that doesn't result in actual action. >> on the affordable care act, will the president be doing anything tomorrow to promote the rollout and can you talk about what the white house is going to be doing? >> i don't have any information at this time for you on the president's schedule tomorrow. it is certainly the case and i appreciate you bringing it up that the department of health and human services and others are engaged in preparing for tomorrow's opening day of enrollment. there is a lot of activity around that. it will be the first day of a six-month open enrollment period for individuals to basically shop for health insurance in a

way that they've never been able to before and for so many of them to have options available to them at affordable prices they've never had before. and we expect when those marketplaces open and the exchanges open and you can as a consumer review your options either online or through the telephone call centers, there will be a lot of window shopping and a lot of people will assess what is available to them. and as time passes and we move close tore january 4 more and more of the millions of americans who have this option available to them will take advantage of it and that will be a very good thing indeed. >> are these briefings essential? will you continue to brief if there is a shutdown? >> we believe it's important that the american people be aprized of what is happening here at the white house and we will endeavor to provide that information as best we can with a skeletal staff. >> are you confident this will

be a political disaster? >> i wouldn't make any kind of predictions. that suggest we're looking for an outcome. i'm not. i don't know and honestly i think it's important to know that we don't care about the politics of this. the president cares about making sure that the american people aren't hurt by it. because we talked about this with regards to the comprehensive immigration reform legislation that passed with a strong bipartisan majority in the senate and there were questions about whether secretly we didn't hope that the republicans would block it because it would be continued bad news for the republicans when it came to their worsening relations with hispanic americans across the country and the answer is no. we would love them to take advantage of the political opportunities available to them bypassing comprehensive

immigration reform and improve their standings by doing it and love for republicans to do the right thing and improve their standing among the american people and congress' standing with the american people. >> let's go through quickly what the republicans are demanding. the debt ceiling nothing there negotiateable? >> correct. >> the idea of repealing the healthcare law, not negotiate snble >> no. >> delaying the healthcare law for a year? >> no. >> nothing is negotiateable when it comes to the debt ceiling and when it comes to extending the government, the president is willing to talk about ways to improve the healthcare law if the republicans are interested in that, after all a lot of the affordable healthcare law was designed by republicans and there are republicans out there o have some good ideas

although they are unlikely to talk about them in party circles. the president is willing to do that. what he's not willing to do is have that under the threat of shutting down the government and not defaulting on our obligations. >> cutting this tax on medical devices also? >> that is not negotiateable. congress has throughout its time in session the opportunity consider and pass legislation to try to get majorities big enough in both houses to achieve a compromise. that's the way it it is supposed to work. as you know the house of republicans in particular have done little else over the past couple of years than attempt to legitimate ways that defund or repeal or other ways negatively affect the affordable care act. so they can certainly endeavor to keep doing that. but to have that attached to the

simple responsibility to fund the government is just not acceptable. >> is the reason we've seen no negotiations going on because everything the republicans have put out there is -- >> it is not a concession to keep the government open. it is not a concession to pay america's bills. that is a responsibility. and as i e-mailed way reporter out there it is enshrined in the constitution. congress has power to authorize funding. if it were other wise the president would go about it and there would be no drama and no delay. >> what is the president doing to try to keep the government running? >> again, it is not within the president's power to pass legislation on the hill. >> what is he doing? >> the president said moments ago that he will certainly be he expects having conversations with leaders in congress.

here.so pretty element al there is on option to keep it open or shut it down. he would not have the power of persuasion within the caucus that john boehner or others might have. >> the president said he was open to negotiating on the budget overall. so -- >> all year long. >> over a one year proposition of funding the government. >> his proposal -- >> is that what he's saying it's about funding the government for 2014? >> and well and dwhrooned as reflected in his budget. >> under those circumstances, nder that umbrella, then are parts of the law of the healthcare law negotiateable? >> he is open to discussions with republicans who are sincere

about it ways to improve the affordable care act. >> so opening the exchanges is just not oversee ours? >> i'm not going to say he's open to delaying because he is not. at is a deliberate effort to basically eliminate obama care. >> [indiscernible] >> i'm not going to get into specific things but he is willing to discuss with congress ways to improve the affordable care act. that has been the case and will be the case moving forward. he is eager to negotiate with members of congress and he has demonstrated that all year long. republicans insisted as part of the last time that we had a budget negotiation with deadlines at the end of last

year, that they would not -- they would move forward with a bill that raised taxes on the wealthiest americans and locked into place a permanent tax cut for middle class americans. in exchange they insisted that the senate pass a budget. and by the way, they raised the debt ceiling without drama and delay, no threat of default. but they insisted as part of this that the senate pass a budget. they were hopping mad about the fact that the senate had not passed a budget because the house passed a budget. john boehner said he wanted regular order in the congress. they ought to pass a budget. the two sides ought to come together in conference and work out differences and produce a budget that could then move forward. senate upheld its obligations. senator murray passed a budget

through the senate with leader reed and it has languished ever sense with house leaders refusing to do what they said they would do. here we are the president has put forward a budget that is filled with compromises all-year long, filled with demon strabble effort to find common ground and republicans won't even negotiate over that. instead they are obsessed with refighting an old battle from a can you believe of congresses ago which is the debate about the affordable care act and its passage and the fact it was signed into law and upheld by the supreme court and the fact it was a heightened debate during the election. and the candidate who supported the affordable care act was re-elected. >> every week there is a new discovery that n.s.a. is doing

something you guys swear n.s.a. isn't doing for example following incident americans and creating this graph of how they create networks. can you look at this way straight face and say this isn't going a step beyond what have you said n.s.a. is doing? said? directedtivities are against foreign targets to protect this nation against the rats of terrorism and proliferation -- against the threats of terrorism and proliferation of weapons of destruction. as a matter of policy, we have made clear we do what other nations do, which is gather intelligence. >> this is about americans. this is about americans that are not foreign -- they went beyond that. >> again -- ?> are you denying that is the

>> i am not going to discuss the specific tools or processes. as you know nsa's activities are directed against foreign intelligence targets to protect america against terrorism and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. are conductedes pursuant to and overselling -- and overseen by -- >> i understand that is the statement you have to say. are you at all concerned -- >> again -- >> it is supposed to be about people that have connections overseas, but this is a step beyond. it went beyond what you just said. >> i am not going to address the specific allegation. we have begun to review the way we gather intelligence so it can balance the legitimate the

purity concerns of our citizens policyies with the concerns all citizens share. >> are you going to continue leaked bymething gets snowden and you guys acknowledge , ok, we were doing something bad? is that how this is going to work? >> chuck, i am not going to discuss it. carol? >> [indiscernible] what is the window for that? a that an offer to have negotiation with republicans? does that happen after the cr? after the debt ceiling? >> it is an offer that has been on the table for the whole year, virtually, or since the end of the year last year -- an open ended offer? >> i think the president has

demonstrated he is open to and eager to negotiate with republicans who want to find common ground and are willing to invest inn a way that areas that help our economy grow. it also reduces our deficits and debts in a responsible way. that is reflected in the budget proposal. it was the central topic of the presidentrsations the had ended the vice president and the chief of staff and many others had over the course of the year, especially earlier in the year where we were hopeful there was a willingness i republicans to find common ground. when we were hopeful there might be sincerity behind the assertion by republicans that all they really wanted was for the senate to pass the budget and we could have a conference and reach a compromise. yes, that offer remains on the table.

>> if they are so eager to do that, will we see a big push from him? >> and negotiation is not a one- way proposition. the president put forward ideas. the speaker, every time he addresses any budget issue, keeps moving further and further away. to have a continuing resolution that allows for killeen funding -- clean funding for the government, ibo away from that under pressure from a small faction, a less than majority faction within his conference. instead he launched on this effort to appease the extreme wing of his party that is focused not on reducing the deficit, not on dueling with our long-term debts, but on the, you know -- not on dealing with our long-term debt, but on this, you know, piece of legislation. >> [indiscernible] >> no, i did not say that. it would be something

big. >> not under threat of shut down. not under threat of default. if the republicans are serious throughgotiating congressional appropriations, yes, and he has been willing to do this all year long and has sought partners and had many good meetings with republicans who expressed interest in doing that. unfortunately, we have not seen anything concrete from republicans that represents the same spirit and substantive reflection of compromise the president fell budget recognizes. intricate. it is very simple. >> i get it, major. you guys have blackberrys and i do not. i am not going to respond to every single thing that shows up on your blackberry.

i'm not going to comment on specific information i have not gotten myself. -- ii am going to tell you should have a little action appear. but the -- i do not have a reaction to a nowting proposal from a empty seat on the front row or the -- [laughter] >> cnn. we obviously will see what happens in congress. made clear just now in the oval office what his view is, which is the responsible thing is for the not to engage in this partisan bickering -- partisan brinksmanship. but rather to responsibly pass a bill that extends funding at current levels so the government does not shut down and does not have the negative affect we went

through before. is it a good idea if the president is open to it on the health care law, eliminating the medical device tax -- >> know, that is not a good idea. major, this would not be a part of any deal. i am not going to get into future hypothetical negotiations when the republicans have so year -- all year long not shown themselves interested in holding. we want to find where we have common ground. what we've seen from the republicans concretely in budget proposals are ideas that protect special interests with tax limit the middle class, and defund or repeal the affordable care act, which by the way, is a huge budget buster.

>> the president said he would be in favor of stronger sanctions if negotiations with iran dragged on or -- position and the president's on the day he took was opene indicated he to having bilateral conversations with iran if iran were serious. absent progress on that issue, absent a willingness by karen to deal , a willingness to make clear through sanctions that violations are serious matter. that is what we have done. another way of asking that which i can answer is, the sanctions regime has brought us to this point. the international cents that the sanctions regime that was made possible -- the intern national

-- the international consensus was made possible by the president's edition. we were able to change the focus conversation to a focus on whether iran was the problem. the last five years, we have studyhe physician and the escalation of sanctions in a way that has dramatic impact on the iranian economy. we have seen that in members of the new government. we are encouraged i what we have heard from the new iranian -- we are encouraged i what we have heard from the new iranian leadership. as we have said all along, actions are what we are focused on. there was a meeting in which secretary kerry and his iranian counterpart for dissipated. meetingll be another

coming up in about 16 days. that is the vehicle through which we will be able to measure concrete progress and test the theory that you ran into serious, as he ran has set it hasabout whether -- as iran said it is, about whether it is series about meeting international commitments. >> [indiscernible] last have said over the five years, intensified the sanctions against iran. right now i think we are exploring the possibility that iran is series about this challenge. >> you do not know whether iran on hisllow through promises. but the president called the president of the ron on friday and opened up diplomatic negotiations -- the president of iran on friday and opened up diplomatic negotiations.

so why not house republicans? >> can i remind you it was the speaker of the house he said he would never negotiate with the president again? that he felt doing so burned him -- >> [indiscernible] tomaybe you did not catch up what the president just said, but he said he would be talking to leaders of congress. i have nothing new to report on the president's schedule, but the house of representatives could have in the past, a few days ago, and could have today very easily avoided shutting passing aovernment by clean continuing resolution that extends funding of the government for several weeks into the future, allowing for further negotiation about our budget priorities. you know. ox has reported this.

the speaker had one direction to take and the tea party yanked him and the other direction. we have seen a number of republicans, including in the house, say they believe if the speaker would just what on the floor the senate will, the clean cr, they would get a majority in the house. from the the votes republican party necessary. what we have here are these republican lawmakers -- charlie dent and others -- what we have proposition where both parties are absolutely willing to pass clean continuing resolutions and allow government funding. just keeping the government riders orthout any imperatives attached. speaker of the house do that or shut down the government? because there is a majority in both houses to do it. we saw it in the senate.

we know it exists in the house. this should not be about the internal politics of the house republican conference. it is to serious. >> the president's position is he is in favor of a long-term budget deal. it has you get a long-term budget deal without sitting down -- has met, the president with countless republicans including the speaker of the house and made clear his seriousness about a compromise. his willingness to make tough choices when it comes to resolving our differences and funding our priorities, protecting the middle class, and dealing with our deficit. continuing to bring down our deficit, which by the way have been falling at the most precipitous rate since world war ii. again, not a talking point you often hear from the republican party. just as you do not often hear things from the republicans that

this is about the debt anymore. it can't be, because doing most of what they consist we do with their demands would actually increase the deficit and that rather than decrease it. so, i guess that is not their main priority anymore. the objective is now focused entirely on trying to prevent the implementation of a law that congress signed into law, that was upheld by the supreme court's of the united states and validated across the nation in a presidential election. >> 17 years ago, we had a government shut down. jack lew was around at that time and others. but in a different capacity. they were grounds. have they offered any lessons learned? do they apply to today's situation at all? >> yes. we have been through this already several times in terms

of the prospect of shut down or default. and most of the people you named, with the exception of sylvia, were here for parts of that. people remember the vice president and others -- you know, what happened in 1995 and 1996. but obviously this is a new and different time. we are focused on 2013. we are focused on the middle class today. the seniors and women and children who will be affected if there is a shut down. the veterans whose call centers would close. 12:01 october 1 if there is a shut down. that is the president's priority. >> [indiscernible] >> yes, not to say that past experience is not a useful thing

to have when contemplating the future. >> there are a lot of democrats who think the president has made , and the fear is what ever comes out of this, it would lock in sequestration for another year. can you rule out or the president that he would ever agree to another year extension for sequestration? >> jackie, a fair question, but i am not going to get ahead of where we are now, which is focusing on congress's responsibility that the government does not shut down. they simply could extend funding at current levels, as you mentioned, to allow for further negotiation and not make this about a partisan wish list, attaching things to congress's essential responsibility that

republicans, the tea party republicans cannot get otherwise. and that the american people rejected in an election. putyou know, the president or were the budget. i know you and others have looked at it. you know what his priorities are. you know where he is willing to compromise. he did not put that budget or word and say, i get -- he did not put this budget forward and say, i get this or nothing. he understands that this requires compromise and finding common ground. but what he won't do and what he has never suggested he would do is reduce our deficit in a way that puts all the burden on the middle class or all the burden on our seniors or all the burden on children through underfunding their educational opportunities. so, there is a way to do this responsibly. the president has demonstrated that you can inherit the largest

deficits in our history, the worst financial crisis in our history -- or close to it -- certainly in our lifetimes. manage those challenges, steady our economy, see the automobile industry, see the economy grow and create jobs, see it create 7.5 million private sector jobs, do all that, past the affordable care act, which was the goal of members of both parties for a century, including republican presidents, and see our deficits come down by half at a rate we have not seen since the 1940's. so, his record is pretty good on this area through a willingness pretty goodcord is on this. we have done this. we can do this in a way that allows us to grow the middle class.

the health care open enrollment starting and the visit from the israeli prime minister -- can you give us a sense of what the atmosphere is like? is it tense? what is it like vector? what is it like back there? >> well, it is busy. busy. is always we are very focused on making sure the implementation of the affordable care act continues and it will. making sure the enrollment opens that opens tomorrow and continues for six months, and it will. canmaking as much as we information available to the millions of americans and their families who will now have the opportunity to shop for affordable health insurance for the first time.

on the foreign policy side, the president noted -- i think, we may have done this, i can't remember. i think it is safe to say that president obama has spoken with prime minister netanyahu more than any other foreign leader. that reflects the closeness of the relationship between our two nations, the united states's commitment to israel's security and the importance of the issues discussed today. whereing syria and iran, we have had major developments. busy times, to be sure. yes? tomorrow, ahead to what is your level of confidence this rollout is going to be ready and is going to rise to the expectations of the president and others have set for it? will have to evaluate expectations. regardless of what the

republicans do in terms of theuing their agenda, implementation will continue. the d funding for the affordable for the -- defunding -- millionsare act of americans are going to have the opportunity to enroll in these marketplaces and to purchase affordable health care for the first time in years. about, the we talked option available to them in the past, and they did not have networks. they did not have doctors. they had to go to the emergency room. anir kids, when they had asthma problem, they had the emergency room. now they have something better and more reliable available, which is health insurance. >> the president has nothing on the schedule regarding this tomorrow? >> i just said i do not have any scheduling announcements to make. >> is he going to do something?

>> i do not have any scheduling announcements to make. >> what will it say to the public if he does not do anything? >> peter, i am not going to get into a back-and-forth become that -- because i do not have any scheduling announcements to make. happened to cushion the shutdown, to make it less dramatic. i wonder if you have a prediction about how long it might take for people to really sequesterhen the happened, there were a lot of protections that it would be awful and people would rise up to demand it was ended, and they didn't. down -- howshut will be shut down be different than 17 years ago? willsential functions continue. different parts of the federal operations will be affected in other ways. the impact is considerable.

i listed some of them. underpinning of your question supposes that we are howoaching this in terms of much political pressure will it take for republicans to do the right thing, and we are hoping maybe zero and maybe they will just do the right thing. you know, take up the president's year-long, essentially, offered to have substantive negotiations about how we find the government in a way to help it grow and create jobs and invest and reduce our deficit in the medium and long- term, rather than playing this game of -- that has as its regularprimarily americans out there. i think it is important to note the immediate deadline we face is the laughs in funding that would occur at midnight, but there have been all -- is the

lapse in funding that would occur at midnight, but there have been all sorts of negotiations with republicans on capitol hill where they would the willing to engage in this in a few more weeks where the consequences would be far more serious. that in any case. >> does the president have any -- forutional recourse the second time you said no, but there have been suggestions that theill be violating constitution if he lets the debt ceiling going to affect or if he -- isi'm not sure what "this" -- >> raising the debt ceiling. >> congress has to raise the debt ceiling. this administration does not believe the 14th amendment is them the -- gives them the power to ignore the debt ceiling.

even if he could, the fact that there is controversy around the president's authority to act unilaterally does not mean it would be taken seriously by the global economy and markets. as the president said today -- the reason this is so serious is the world looks to the united the world economic leader. and relies on the stability and good faith and credit of the enormously.s and and that is why it is so important to maintain that and never even to flirt with the possibility it would not be maintained for any reason. in this case, in order to ,chieve this narrow political you know, piece of business that tea party republicans could not achieve through other means. again, i mean, it is up to the congress to pay the debts of the

united states. congress has the power to do that. it is up to congress to appropriate funds and make sure the government remains open and functioning. the president hopes that congress takes those responsibilities seriously. >> [indiscernible] >> yes? the interns were running the shop 17 years ago. [indiscernible] >> i do not believe that has been the case, and it is not the case now that volunteers or interns will be working. they will not. way in the back -- oh, sorry. l.a. times. the president and his campaign last year talked about how his reelection would be the washington --

>> pretty stubborn fever, clearly. observation.s my i think we all can assess without anyone's assistance that republican intransigence remains quite real. here we have an opportunity to ensure the government does not shut down. not askingpresident for anything. not attaching anything to this proposal. not attaching anything to the proposal that congress fulfill its responsibility to pay its ills, the bills of the united states. yet, the prospect of shutdown and default on the table because presidents want -- congress partisanattach highly some a political agenda items they have not been able to achieve through the normal

legislative process or the electoral process. >> [indiscernible] >> no. he hopes and believes that common sense will prevail and we can get about the business of reaching reasonable compromise when it comes to our budget priorities. nore is no -- there is agreement when it comes to the debt ceiling. that should not be flirted with, reaching it, and it should not be used as a negotiating ploy. that is the president's very firm position. clarify, i just want to make sure i understand -- the president and the vice president have not had any discussions about the shutdown as of today? discussionsd no involving the president or the vice president to report to you today. i am not asking you to parse my

words. i am just saying, the president on camera moments ago -- i do not have anything beyond that to report. >> he also had meetings with the cabinet. can you elaborate on whether they talked about the plan for the shutdown? is that the purpose of the meeting? >> i would simply say that i would expect that that would be a topic, the potential for a lapse in funding. i would not rule out other topics. [indiscernible] they know that as of now, >> -- as of nowcorrect? >> i would refer you to omb as to the notification process. thanks very much.

[captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] the government will shut down if they cannot reach agreement. we ask your thoughts. as we look live at the u.s. senate where lawmakers gavel in at 2:00, over the weekend the implementation

by a year. a simple majority of votes was needed, 54 -046. we understand harry reid will take the floor. unless the house and senate come to an agreement, the government will shut down at midnight. the houses currently in recess. we expect to house to reconvene. any further action in the senate would figure into what the house does. at 3:00, nancy pelosi will hold a news conference, which you will see live on c-span. and now on c-span, some of the house debate earlier today on the potential for a government shut down.

charlotte writes i do not feel our economy could afford obamacare. i am retired. my follow-up care will be denied. do whatever you can to stop this. it will be an oppression of the people of this country in terms of health care and jobs. another has valid concerns. our company has already spent time to be compliant with the plan, that there are many what- ifs? melissa is correct -- free ticket, no show. i'm grateful the house is making every effort to protect the american people from the unsustainable health care

takeover law which destroys jobs. god bless our troops and we will september 11 and the global war on terrorism. >> for what purpose does the gentleman seek recognition? [indiscernible] objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. >> mr. speaker, 12 hours. we threaten to shut this government down. now is the time to exhibit leadership. you are the leader of this body. as democrats and republicans, we got to take the best ideas out of both parties. the gay sheehan -- negotiations cannot take place between immigrants and tea party republicans. we have ideas. let's take the best ideas, put them together, and put the american people first. this is the united states of america. the first name in our country is

united. we got to start fixing these problems, come together and put we the people first, the american people. the the best ideas and let's start working together. esther speaker, my office is mr., and iced day and -- speaker, my office is open and -- >> the gentleman is recognized. >> as i travel around my district, that people are worried about their jobs, their incomes rising, because they are all under pressure. the economy is not growing. one of the issues standing in the way is -- the fact that nobody knows what the rules are, employers scared to death to hire new employees, cutting the hours of many of their current employees, and for what reason?

this law is not ready for prime time. the house passed a bill on saturday, said it to the senate, that would delay it for a year and eliminate the medical device tax that is costing us tens of thousands of jobs that are being shipped overseas. the senate decided not to work yesterday. if there is such an emergency, where are they? it is time for the senate to listen to the people just like the house has and pass a one- year delay in obamacare and a permanent repeal of the medical device tax. does theat purpose gentleman from california to seek recognition? >> [indiscernible] without objection, the gentleman is recognized. >> on friday the intergovernmental panel on climate change published their latest report -- >> we will go to the senate

radio tv calorie to hear from senate majority leader harry reid. >> the house has had our bill since friday. they have still got amendments. there amendments are no longer part of what art caller: caller: on what we are doing here. as he said friday, nothing has changed. they are spinning their wheels. we're not going to change obamacare. they want to make changes in obamacare. wait until after they are willing to do a budget for us,

with us, and approach this in a reasonable manner. i have a very simple message for john boehner -- let the house vote. stop trying to force the government to shut down. let the house work its will. all 435 members. not just the majority. they have brought this bill to the floor, so everybody can vote by ans and it would pass overwhelming margin. we would prevent a government shutdown. if john or boehner blocks this, forcing a government shutdown, it will be a republican government shutdown, urine simple. -- pure and simple. many house members have amendment that this is a full's

errand. member said let's vote tomorrow. i will vote for it. other house members have said the same thing. the votes are there to pass a clean cr. here is what dent said specifically -- i am prepared to vote for a clean resolution tomorrow. i do not intend to support a fools errand. that is a good direct quotation. democrats have already met for publicans in the middle on spending. we are not going to be negotiating with ourselves, and that is what it amounts to. have heard the idea of an extension floated. senatebe very clear, the 's bill is a short-term extension. that is what it is. this is a six-week funding bill, all it is, six weeks. if you cannot pass this, we are truly entering the banana

mindset.n the united states would be funding the government 10 days at a time -- not to good. the bottom line is this -- house republicans face the same issue they faced yesterday and the day before entity before and the day before. -- ie senate's clean cr am sorry -- there we go and -- let ai got it clean cr pass. we will do it with bipartisan support, or there will be a shutdown of the government caused by republicans. without being too dramatic about this, the fate of the country depends on the house being able to vote, the house, all members of the house. i hope that john boehner will make the decision that is good

for the country. >> before the final roll call was announced moments ago, there was a memo circulating that the republicans in the house anticipated losing and now wanted to tell us what the next stage of the drama would be. they will send it back now with new versions. some sort of delay or defunding of obamacare and something to do with members health care. andee where this is headed you see where this is headed. they are going to keep playing this over again, expecting a different result. the result will be the passage of the clean cr that we sent them when they call it on the floor of the u.s. house of representatives. i watched over the weekend while some of the tea party republicans were congratulating

themselves on their wisdom and their coverage, their courage? what courage does it take for a tea party republican touchett down the federal government at the expense of someone else's job, at the expense of critical services that people across america count on every single day? that is not encourage. that is cowardice. let them step up and accept the responsibility to govern, and let's start with the speaker. the speaker has a willful group in their caucus. one member said we are dealing with three parties in the house, and most of the caucuses are a fight between the two versions and factions of the republican party. i do not feel any sympathy for him at all. at some point he has an awesome responsibility in the change of success and to lead the united

states to step up and lead in the name of the american people and for the good of our country. to think that because of his willful faction of tea party republicans, he would allow this government shutdown and continued to play these games back and forth is just inexcusable, inexcusable for anyone who calls himself a leader. i hope the speaker steps up. he owes it to the american people, not just to federal a ploy ease, but everybody who is praying this economy gets stronger and we do not lose jobs over this folly. >> in all my years in washington i have never seen anything like what the hard right republicans are doing now. hostagetaking tactics have left us 10 hours away from a government shutdown. the second, zero, no days, nine hours, 17 minutes, 20 seconds. some on the right have sent this

always happens. they say people always compromise and make deals to keep the government running. they say we have had shutdowns before. it is true, there have been shutdowns before, but it was not like this one. it was never the intent t of one side to shut down the government if they did not get their way. there were disagreements on extraneous issues and the clock ran out of time. they never said unless i get in my way, i will shut down the government. never before, never before in partystory has one threatened a government shutdown if they do not get 100% of what they want on an issue totally unrelated to the budget. of best analogy i can think -- let's say nancy pelosi, during the tarp debate, when the

world economy was tv airing on the edge, when george bush was president, said she would not talk unless republicans rolled back all the bush tax cuts. the analogy is exactly the same. the danger is real. numberey are asking is a one priority of the first obama administration, just like the bush tax cuts were. what gave in to this, about a group of members saying we are going to shut down the government unless we get the farm bill just as we like? what about a group of civil libertarians saying we will shut down the government unless an data -- nsa stops their program. it would be unprecedented. i heard a couple of republicans compromisedy have

from moving from defunding obamacare to just dealing it a year. that is like saying we are compromising. instead of cutting both of your arms off, we will only cut one off. aren't we great? republicans made such extreme demands. the funny thing is the owner knows he will not succeed, but the harder right is demanding a pound of flesh to show how serious they are, how much they hate obamacare. by going along with the hard right, boehner is like the ancient mayas, making a sacrificial offering to the right wing god by refusing to accept the clean cr, but he is putting the economy, the paychecks of millions of americans on the sacrificial altar as he shuts down the government. rather than doing the right thing and abandoning the hard

right, speaker boehner is forlorn hopeor that by sending us new demands that democrats will capitulate. he is wrong, and we will not. and why? just think about it. if we give an inch on the cr, they will take a mile on the debt ceiling. e,e hard right will say, se they gave in, let's demand more. and they will do the same thing on the full ncr in december. encourage these pack x, it will happen again and again, and our economy is tied in a big not and our government knotied in one big and economy goes down the drain. we will not be extorted now, two weeks from now, in december.

speaker boehner, pass our bill. of people are watching the house right now and asking the same things all of us are. what are they thinking? and why would they hurt their own constituents simply to make a point? we are hours away from a completely unnecessary government shutdown that will hurt our families and communities and threaten our fragile economic recovery. to happen. have the path forward should not difficult. the senate has passed a very short term bill that will keep the government open at the current spending levels with no changes in policies while we continue to work on a long-term budget deal. six months -- spent six months working to get republicans in a room to negotiate the budget deal and avoid this rices, but at this

moment the absolute their minimum cover should be able to do them at the least we owe our constituents is to not actively hurt them and sabotage our economy, and that is exactly what the house republicans are doing by playing political games with this short-term spending bill. we in the senate have made it clear, we will not allow the tea party to take the government hostage to put the insurance cover these back in charge of our health-care system. it is just not going to happen. families across the country, whether they support the health care law or not, are really getting sick and tired of the tea party per -- pushing us from one crisis to the next to fight a battle that is already over. i know boehner is concerned about what the tea party thinks of him. i urge him to do the right thing. put the senate will up for a vote in the house. let it pass, and then join us at the table so we can work toward

and theseerm deal and constant crises. there is still time for the house to act to avoid the shutdown. we are hearing more from republicans who agree with us, that the only responsible path forward is a clean cr. i hope owner is listening. bring the senate bill up and pass it. [indiscernible] will be a delay in the individual mandate and this vitter language. will you reject that as well -- [indiscernible] yes, maybe they will try something else, and i do not know when it gets her, it will take however long to get over here, it will take us long enough to vote, 20, 30 minutes. we are not going to negotiate on this.

we have done everything we can to be fair and reasonable. senator murray, in spite of their ignoring her, in spite of ignoring senator mikulski, why don't they take yes for an answer? the president has met with these folks all over town, and the white house has had dinner at fancy restaurants. he is put in writing. they have yet to issue a sentence after all those meals, not a sentence as to what they're willing to do, which is nothing. and negotiation is over with, and i have said that for two weeks. i should pass a cr. there holding down the government. i do not know what in the world is wrong with them, why they are fixated on obamacare. it is the law. you have 600,000 people in sparsely populated nevada that the help. they can go in nevada and buy a

policy for hundred dollars. dam sure cannot do it now. with obamacare, they can starting >> [indiscernible] >> we are not going anyplace. >> [indiscernible] like it iseel important to stay underground on this argument knowing the debt limit fight is coming up in the next few weeks >> all the more reason. just as senator shuman said. bully youley, a cannot let them slap them around. tomorrow it will be seven or eight times. we are not going to be the lead. we have done everything we can and then it reasonably. ,e have a debt ceiling coming and this is horrible what they're doing, but as the business roundtable said, the chambers of commerce

says, this is cataclysmic. they are playing with fire. >> have you had recent ehner?sations with bo >> i do not talk about my conversations with speaker boehner, pelosi, or mcconnell. >> [indiscernible] >> i do not know. they can try whatever they want. remember, so the record is very to put us on exchanges -- we are on exchanges. staffsenator come every every senator, every staff member are on exchanges, and boehner and what was going on every step of the way. policy knows what is going on. is disingenuous for

him to now say he does not want my staff to go on the exchanges. he does not want me to go on exchanges. it does not matter. you're not going to mess around with obamacare, no matter what they do. they have got to get a life, as i said here last thursday or whatever it was. they should get a life. , declaredlaw constitutional. the exchanges are coming on board tomorrow. this., and i look at one reason they are so afraid, it is just like social security, just like medicare. thoseicans hated programs, but now they are so popular with everybody, and given a little bit of time, obamacare will be supported by 90% of the american people, just like medicare. i was on a hospital board. when i came to work there, i was elected to that, 40% of seniors

who came into the hospital had nothing, and people had to sign for them to get them in the hospital and had to sign brother, sister, mother, father, and if they do not pay he would go after them collection wise. 99.9% of all seniors are going to the hospital have things paid for, and that is why people love medicare and that is why the republicans are afraid of obamacare, because just give it some time it will be as popular as medicare and social security. >> [indiscernible] is it worth doing again [indiscernible] or would you like the president put off? >> we will wait to see what the republicans want to do with the debt ceiling. >> there are a lot of government employees who will have to go without hx if this -- without paychecks. people who serve you your food everyday and you will continue to get paid.

what do you say to those people -- >> what i say to those people is this. understand we are dealing with anarchists. they hate government. and who is the worst part of government from their perspective? it is people who work for the federal government, whether they are part of the fbi, it does not matter what it is. we're going to do everything within our power to protect federal employees, and i say this without any qualification or reservation. we are not going to do anything other than wait for them to pass our cr because otherwise government will shut down. ok, good enough. >> that was live coverage of senator reed and other leading democrats. this is one of those days in

washington where a lot of press conferences and volleys act and andh across the capitol parties, and we will want to hear from you this afternoon. we have other live events coming out. presspelosi will have a conference in about five minutes. the house is due to come back in. latest news is that there is potential that the house will act on another bill, and this would delay individual mandates. is another story saying senator mcconnell is working on a one-week continuing resolution, so lots going on. you where wew stand. right now the house has passed a bill that would extend government funding through december 15, and it delays the health care act. the senate ejected that. they passed one that would

extend government funding through november 15 with no health care restrictions. a federal government is due to shut down at midnight if nothing is passed and signed by the president. funding ends at midnight tonight. the new budget year will begin tomorrow at 12:01 a.m. 1970 seven. since if the federal government shuts down, here are the potential impacts. approximately 800,000 civilian workers would be furloughed. closings would include national parks, federal museums, overseas agencies, irstory call centers, and federal grant/contract offices, and things that would not close would be social security offices, medicare, entitlement programs, law enforcement, and the military. the houseicans --

republicans met just about an hour ago, and darrell issa came out of that meeting, and here is what he had to say about the republican meeting and strategy. >> [indiscernible] send a new bill since they tabled the existing one, with further compromises, anduding the entire cabinet the president and all his political appointees will have to live under obamacare, the same as members of congress, but we continue to believe the individual mandate being delayed is in the best interests of the american people, and the bill will come to the fore sometime late this evening. >> [indiscernible] >> a one-year delay? >> that is what i voted for. >> [indiscernible] >> if you would like to dial in and talk about some of the issues is regard to government spending and potential --ernment shutdown

this twitter feed -- and we have a couple thousand comments there, and a couple thousand comments on our facebook page. question where you can answer how you feel about who is responsible for this current stalemate in washington, but there is also a poll there whether or not the government should check them. we will begin this afternoon with a call from donna in tennessee on our democrats line. you are on c-span. isler: what i'm thinking harry reid is right on this point. we have some points in obamacare that i do not like, and i am a democrat, that when the government shuts down, it hurts the american people. organs do not want --

republicans and not want to support people. they do not care. this before with unemployment, and they want to take a break and do all that stuff them and that is when the american people needed unemployment and they do not care. as far as the government getting paid, i do not believe they should get paid. they should be doing the same people that the american people feel. not getrnment should paid either. the president, any of them. >> houston, republican line. to the with regard constant reiteration about this is the law of the land, obamacare being the law of the land, it seems the democrats are white selective with the laws they choose to enforce. immigration laws are the laws of the land, and they have disregarded those come and basically thrown them by the the president

stopping deportations and also the executive actions that he is taken with the dream act and things of that sort. to go to the point of what the previous caller said, where she is saying with the demagoguery of the left saying that the republicans are shutting down the government, the republicans have passed the continuing resolution to fund every branch of the government sans obamacare. in reality, it is the democrats who are choosing to go ahead and shut down the government over funding obamacare, because the republicans passed a bill that said they were fund every branch of government, every service the government survives except for obamacare. it is pretty clear -- >> are you worried about a government shutdown? caller: not so much that i am worried about a shut down. when the government shuts down, it affects a lot of people and

it trickles down into the system. the problem is this administration, along with the senate, are addicted not only to spending money, but they are addicted to you sensually the idea that -- to essentially it is limited, -- to the idea that it is limitless, that we can spend as much as we want. they have not made the is that debthat it and the ridiculous spending that has got us in a large part of the struggle we are in. >> thank you for calling in this afternoon. the house is in recess subject to the call of the chair. they were in this morning and several members spoke to on this issue. we may be showing you that this afternoon. the house could come back and any time. they are not expected to come back. said they are not going anywhere.

both the house and senate are in town. the president is in town. he is due to have a cabinet meeting at 4:45 this afternoon. on of those days in washington where everybody -- a lot of voices coming at you and we will try to bring all those to you as we go on. jeff in orlando, independent line. what are your thoughts about potential government shutdown, funding, etc.? caller: i think it is a disturbing matter. partisan on all issues, and the way i see this is i think people on the right need to understand what democracy is, and i see them constitution and the rights of the people and how we fight for the people and about our forefathers. i think they need to understand that our forefathers died for the country. he did not die for a political

party. they died not only for the people who were living in their times, but for the well-being of the people that are going to come after them and for the country to better itself. i just inc. this is not a game, it is not a football game. one side wants to say they win or not. we win as americans and we lose as americans -- >> what would you like to see happen? toler: they are up there government. i do not think that you are brought there just to say whatever. i believe we are going to shut down the government because that is what i believe. that is not fair. he have laws and we have to follow laws. >> the bronx, on democrats line. caller: thanks for taking my call. >> we are listening. caller: what is really shocking to me about the republicans, just taking the whole country

hostage, because this obamacare that they put in the resolution, it is uncalled for. we have been watching the debate over the budget over time. we all know how things are working. becausew obamacare, republicans do not like what is perfect,ll, we are not as our leaders said, but over time we can see what is good in there, consider to use it, and we will see what is not good and delete it along the way. right now shutting down the government because of obamacare, because that is what the in thecans are using budget negotiations, i do not see why they have to put obamacare in to score political points. i am yet to see any republican''

suggestion tied to obamacare, that this is not good for the people, that this is [indiscernible] health care that is good for you. let us look at it. if obamacare is not good for the country, we are ready to [indiscernible] thank you, sir, very much. a couple of the face with comments we have been receiving. zach says -- senator vitter is holding a

press conference this afternoon. he is bring forth whether members of congress or their staff should get subsidies on the health care act. that is what the house is working on, according to darrell issa, sending it back to the senate, and then senator vitter is talking about the issues of subsidies for health care for members of congress. he is due to speak at three: 30 this afternoon. we are still waiting for nancy pelosi to come to the statuary hall area of the capitol to hold her press conference, so we will bring you these as they come up live. tony says on the facebook page they do not have to shut anything down. this is their way of scaring the american people to get their way. right is a republican in washington. you're on c-span. caller: i have been following this for quite some time now. i see that immigrants turning

around, chasing their tails, saying the same things over and over again, and they do not listen to the hearts of the people. the people do not want obamacare. i know it has hurt us. we have looked through our stuff, that we went through in medicare, stuff like this, and everything has jumped off -- >> we will go live to the , nancy pelosi coming to the podium. good afternoon, everyone. democrats have continued to work to avoid a shutdown of our government. that would be a bad thing for the american people. we are confident in what and weent does for them, have made an explicit offer to the speaker to say that we would be willing to accept their 986 number, which we do not

like, but we are willing to accept in order to not shut down government. republicans have put forth a add number on the budget. -- a bad number on the budget. even their chairman said we will not allow government to fulfill its responsibilities to the american people, the republican chairman of her appropriations. and then they add to that undermining the affordable care act. two nos do not make a yes, and that they insist on bringing forth legislation to delay or undermine the affordable care atis like hounds baying the moon. now this will be the 46th time if this is what they propose. you have two bad things there, one, the 988 however ite 86, comes out, and then you have the undermining of the affordable care act, take that off, we will

accept your number in order to go to the table to negotiate, which is exactly what he should have been doing for the past months. when all of us agreed that we wanted to proceed under the regular order of congress. house passes a bill, the senate passes a bill, that happened in march. for six once, republicans said they wanted regular order, then abandoned that once the senate passed its bill, and for six months have been long overdue. let's test bring a clean cr to the floor in a clean cr to the floor, past it with the few weeks that it gives us to come to the table to eliminate the sequester, which again hurts our at the destroys -- cost of the leased one million jobs, and again, something that

is beneath the dignity of honoring our sponsor these to the american people to do what you did government should do, to grow the economy, to create jobs, and very importantly to reduce the deficit. with that i am pleased to yield to mr. hoyer. much, madam very leader. we are against shutting down the government. shutting down the government is bad policy. it undermines the confidence of our people, and national security, the economy, and creation of jobs. we are against shutting down government. errors are result they're prepared at this point in time to allow six weeks so that we can negotiate how we operate government effectively and efficiently. as result we are prepared to work as a leadership team to get the votes for a number which we think is not accurate, but which is the republican number. we are asking them to take yes

for an answer. hope they take yes for an answer. this is not a negotiation. and're taking their number we would hope that they could also take their number. so that we can keep the government open to keep america's confidence at a level of respect for their representatives sent to the congress of the united states, to make sure that government works well for them and their families. i now want to yield to my good friend, the assistant leader, j im clyburn. >> i think the whip for yielding. cannot say it enough. the fact of the matter is that number that had a we thought was a good number, the best number for the country, 1028, and we have given up that number in favor of their number

of 986. if that is not compromise, then i do not know what is. have said thei last two or three days is that we are not compromising, we have not given up anything. we have given up our number in favor of their number. the senate has accepted their number. so now we are at a point of rough closing, th down the government because they refuse to say yes for an answer, i do not know why that is. we are here today to say we are not in favor of closing down the government. we are not in favor of ruining middle-income families, federal employees, ruining our communities.

i come from a community that depends upon the federal government, and so we are for keeping it open and keeping it lurching, and we would -- and keeping it for a shame, and we would hope our republican friends would accept our number and it is time for them to move keep thelean cr to government open. with that i would like to yield bacerro.air, mr. and itank mr. clyburn, has not been said enough. it still must be repeated. usr caucus numbers, the 200- democrats have met over the last several weeks in preparation for what will come in terms of our government. there is not a government democrat among us who has talked

about supporting shutdown of government. democrats are united. he must do everything to prevent a shut down of government service to the american people who have pay taxes so they can receive the services that are essential to the operation, not just for government, but our economy and the livelihood of so many american families. if you really want to strengthen the middle class, you will prevent the shutdown of government. this man-made crisis we believe cannot be sustained. we do not believe that the smallest business in america would run itself that way. therefore, we do not believe the largest economy in the world should run its budget affairs this week. unless we wish to be compared to a banana republic, we urge all of our colleagues to stop with game-playingchild and give us a chance to vote for a clean budget resolution to take us at least two november 15. democrats, unitedly, standard to

say no government shutdown, let us move forward, and tell them a medical we are ready to work on behalf of the middle class. i will now yield to the vice- chair of the caucus. >> thank you. i am proud to stand with my leadership again, all the democratic leadership, in asking our colleagues to stop buying these childish games. we have accepted their number of 986, and it is time to stop making these new man-made crises. there's enough turmoil in the world in our country. turmoil as well as man- made term all. the republican congress did not have to create any more and made crises, any more man-made cliffs . we ask our republican caucus, colleagues to accept the solution. the american people are looking for solutions. .ot more rancor

we are prepared to pass the cr with a number that will continue to keep government open. we are not for shutting down the us government. we will vote to keep us government (operating. we ask a republican colleagues to do the same. i turn it over to congressman israel. >> thank you. the republicans have said take it or leave it. we will take it. the question is whether they will leave it. that is the question the americans will be asking them tonight. are you going to leave your own number, walk away from it? if i am trying to buy a house and i'm sitting at the table with the person selling the house and the person writes his price or on a paper and slides it to me and i think i will take it, and they say, no, not good enough, there's something wrong with the negotiation. we will take their number, we will negotiate moving forward in order to keep the government open. it is up to them now to decide

whether they will take their own budget bottom line. if they reject their own number and reject our offer, then it will become clear beyond any shadow of any doubt who was responsible for shutting down the government. if they are going to walk away from their own number two defund the affordable care act, then it will be conclusive to the american people what this is about. he urged the republicans to listen to the republicans -- take the deal. -- we urge the republicans to take that deal. i yield to congressman chris van hollen. >> i think the congressman. there's just one person between now and midnight whether or not the federal government stays open or whether it shuts down, and that is the speaker, john boehner. if he were to put up a clean solution to keep the government open, it would pass the house.

it would pass the people's house. what we are saying to a is we want to work with him to make sure that happens. we believe that the sequester level of funding amount which is in this continuing resolution, is the wrong way to go for this country. we have been saying that, and we have put forward a plan to replace that sequester. next sixepared for the weeks to accept that sequester level of funding as we work together to try and eliminate the sequester. the sequester, which, by the way, the director of the cbo just testified this week would ult and up to 1.2 fewe million fewer jobs by this time next year. we will work to replace it. we are willing for the next to live with the

number at the republicans have insisted on as we negotiate that outcome. the speaker has to make decisions. will he listen to the american people and the full house and let it come to a vote him or will he continue to allow this house to be run by the most extreme right-wing tea party elements who are channeling senator cruz? has effectively taken over the house and the republican caucus. there a question for the speaker is are you going to listen to senator cruz or will you allow the house to vote to keep the government open? >> i thank my college. it is very clear democrats are making an explicit offer to the speaker to keep government open. whatever he may bring out of his caucus to bring to the floor, we hope that he will also have a cleano the clean cr, the

continuing resolution. has accepted that number as the basis on how we go forward. the senate has accepted that number as a basis on how we go forward. house democrats will accept that number as the basis of how we go forward. 1.58,a long way from which was the budget control act number that we agreed act in a bipartisan way. it is a long way from there all the way down to 988, and it to the big difference american people. but for the basis of keeping government open and going forward to have a negotiation, which we should have been doing six months ago when under the regular order the house passed a bill, the senate passed a budget bill, than what we were supposed to go to the table.

we will swallow this bitter pill in order to go to the table to negotiate it further. again, take yes for an answer. it is your number. we will be pleased to take any questions. speaker,lked about the he has an option here to go with them a credit votes and some republicans. why do you think he is under their thumbs of the republicans? butou have to asking that, if the speaker does not give us the vote on a clean cr and just intends to bring out again the moonng, being to the amendment again -- bayhing to the moon amendment again, that it is the attention of the republican caucus shutdown government. this is there affirmative statement of shutting down government. make no mistake. why doesn't he give that house the ability to work its will?

one of them has passed on the floor, one of them has already passed the senate, and it would go to the president. we will vote for it. >> this is their number, which we do not like. we are willing to compromise down. steny was willing to go to 1017, but they are going to their number. that is our offer. we will take your number. keep government open. give us a chance to vote for it on the floor. there are republicans over here -- [laughter] we understand republicans are considering adding some version of the vitter amendment. those consider

contributions a subsidy, and what would you think about that being added to a cr? >> let me just say, look, we need to pass a continuing resolution which keeps the somenment open tomorrow, 15 or 16 hours from right now. we need to stop playing games, gotcha or otherwise, and that ought to be the principal focus of all is right now. there is time to discuss other issues, including the health care issue, for the 45th, 46th, 50th time. there is time for that. today it is time for doing what is our responsibility and effectively keeping the government of the united states of america operating for our people. >> i do want to say one thing in that regard. thisor schumer referenced is morning. we are talking about something very serious. then we are getting into the --

and maybe we will make you feel the pain. this is very serious. ira public and colleagues i'm this is the major leagues. this is about the functioning of the united states government, and, by the way, what will come next, the full faith and credit of the united states of america. when the country was on the brink of i meltdown of our financial institutions, the president asked us to vote for the tarp bill. it was his problem that was created by the failed economic policies of the bush administration. it was a solution they had proposed which we amended to protect the american people and the taxpayer. but ira but -- but our members did not want to vote for what looked like a-- out of wall street. the republicans abandon their own president at that time. we could have said, your people are not with you.

if you want our votes, we want background checks on purchasing a gun or an immigration bill or anything else. but we did not. we moved -- we removed all doubt that action be taken, that we would do the right thing, in a timely fashion, and again, we did, with overwhelming, 170 -- some democratic votes, to support president bush's initiative because it was the right thing to do. for them to be putting this thing, that thing, gotcha, these gotcha things on this bill is really beneath the dignity -- i keep saying it, because it is just so obvious -- meet the dignity of what we come here to do. unless what you came here to do was to shut down government him and that is what their intention is, and that is why it is important for the american people to know that what they are doing with her budget is we are willing

to accept that number, to go to the table, to improve the legislation, and, therefore, the prospects for creating jobs, growing our economy, and reducing the deficit. >> did you have any conversations with -- >> should the government shutdown, you have leverage and it would be easier to get a clean cr -- >> our members said can we work with republicans if it means it makes them well on this issue, and we have said to them, all we are interested in is keeping government open. if her publicans want to join us in doing that and that raises their appreciation in the public's mind, god bless them, we are all for them. >> have you had conversations today,ehner about this, and what was his response to you? >> he told me what they're going to propose. >> to support something very

short-term rate week long? has beenr reeid very clear about that. my colleagues? >> let me just say, six weeks is short term. >> short term. >> have you called boehner? >> it is not a question of -- yes. [laughter] >> thank you. i've coverage of the house democratic leadership press anderence in the capitol, live coverage of the events strutting the continuing cr and potential shutdown of the government at midnight. here is where we currently stand. wouldpassed a bill that continue government funding through december 15, and it delays the health care law for

one year. the senate has passed a bill that would fund the government through november 15 and no health care law changes, included in that. so if the federal government, if they do not come to an agreement on a bill and get it signed by midnight, the federal government will shut down in the new budget year getting tomorrow. there have been 17 shutdowns since 1977. the latest was in 1995 when newt gingrich was speaker and bill clinton was president. 21 days that one lasted. here are some potential impacts. about 800,000 civilian wor for loaded,e including national parks, federal museums, overseas offices, regulatory agencies, irs call centers, that her grant/contract offices. what will not be affected will care,ial security, that a entitlement programs, and

military, national security. on facebook and you are more than welcome to go to facebook.com. is responsible for the current fiscal stalemate? 730 six say democrats are responsible, while 3300 30 say congressional republicans, and group say that the white house is responsible. this is available on span, and thec house is coming into session. the senate is still in session, talking about this issue. harry reid has said this issue is not going anywhere. we do not know when the house is coming back, but we will go there live when they do.

senator david fitter is holding a press conference shortly. he will be talking about the government shutdown, and in particular, what was talked looking the leadership. at the congressional workers and congressional members for health care. that is one of the issues he is concerned about. you can see a live picture. called the senate swamp. it is in the lawn area of the capital up in the northeast corner of the capital, and that is the senate in the background, and it is between the senate chamber itself and the senate so he will beg, coming there and speaking, and we will bring that to you live, as well, but we want to go back to your all's, your tweets, and your facebook comments. -- we went to go back to your calls. ,he line for democrats

republicans, and independents. atare also taking comments #cspanchat, and we have this. cowboy dave says -- .ti.ah.moss.shak concernedone says -- says --adger and this comment is from craig --

theresa in ms. kiki, oklahoma, you have been very patient waiting on the line, and now it is time for you to make your comment. >> now, they are telling people they are forced to buy health care. gone without medical care for two years because i did not have the money to get insurance. i finally have the insurance, i cannot afford the co-pay. a family ofgot four, you are not going to get $100h insurance for under per month for a family of four. for the united states to push back their food that they cannot afford in the first place, and then the senators and the congressman, they are sitting up there, and they do not have to worry the last week of the month

where their food is going to or about-- come from taking a child to the doctor. they do not have to worry about anything. this country is getting more communist than anything. and our president, if he is so concerned about the united states, you have got classrooms fighting, and they are fighting at recess. and then you will go to the principal's office. and then he will cut out recess. if our president is so concerned about the government why is he not trying to make negotiations and talk to the democrats and republicans? and killing our military men, sitting over there and getting and i, for one, am tired

of it. >> that was from oklahoma. >> hi. i would like to make a statement. we are the people of the united states, and those of us that need thehe government help we do receive, and if the government should shut down, it might not last that long, but any shutdown is not going to help. it is not going to create new jobs. ofis not going to get us out the deficit. >> surely, i apologize. here is senator vedder -- vitter. >> yes, please, please.

good afternoon, everybody. we welcome all of our colleagues and outside groups that are here and all of you. we are here again to state strongly and clearly that we believe rule one of democracy, including this obama care debate, should be that washington is treated like the rest of america and does not have special exemptions, special their louts, and that is why we are continuing to fight hard for make surexemption, to that that happens under obamacare. treated like the rest of america. no special exemptions, no special subsidies, bailouts, or sweetheart deals. thank all of our colleagues and allies for their strong, strong support, which has been advancing this cause

for the last several weeks, being very, very effective, and i am very excited about where we are going towards the finish line, and with that, let me introduce the leader in the house for this legislation, a great ally and friend from florida. >> thank you, senator. thank you all for coming. after the health care law was passed in 2010, there was an times" in "the new york about how congress was being treated. he did not understand what they were doing for their own health care, so how could they understand what they were doing for the health care of the rest of the nation? whatwanted to get out of they had passed, but there is no easy way out. we do not inc. this is legal, and we think we need to take legislative action to correct that, and simply go back to what the law actually says, and that

is members of congress are put into exchanges, and they are not given any type of tax-free subsidy under the law. i think we're actually going to be voting on this today, from what we were told at our conference, and i think that will be a tough vote for a lot of people, because when i campaigned, i am a first-termer, and people came up to me to say that they just take care of themselves. you have get people losing hours, being pushed to 39 hours per week. nobody is talking about relief for those people, and yet, when inches to congress, they are able to engineer a special rule for the bureaucracy. we should be the last ones who are getting relief. our constituents should be the first ones, and i look forward to today's vote, and i think the senators here who have been very vocal and strong on this, and i would like to see how this

shakes out once it gets to the upper chamber. >> and next is a leader on this issue from the very beginning during the obama care debate. he fought hard for this language. senator? >> thank you, and thank you for bringing this up. yes, i was on the health committee when it came through the senate. we got this amendment on there that said whatever pain americans are going to feel, the senate and their staff are going to feel, and members of congress and their staff are going to feel, and i was on the finance committee when chuck grassley brought it up there, and we passed it. bey know that they ought to under the same laws as everybody else in america. unfortunately, during the recess, the president asked that there be an exception there, that we be allowed to be different than the american people, that we could bring people with congress with us. that is wrong. the amendment we are trying to

get through would prohibit that. it would make us be under the same law, and everywhere i go, people are saying it is about time. one of the things it will do is point out to congress some of the pain we are inflicting on this country with the law where a lotll have to disclose of personal information where there is no protection on privacy, which they can certify, and we have done the appropriations bills. if that would have been done, this would have come up under health and human services, and it would have been fixed. so we are trying every step we can to fix it so congress has to live under the same laws as everyone else. they ought to feel the same pain as americans, and i cannot believe that the president would not want to be under a bill that has his name on it. >> thank you, mike.

and another great leader who has been very, very involved from the beginning of this fight, from was constant. >> first, i would just like to that i thank them for their leadership on this issue. this is a basic point that congress should live by the laws that we passed. here during the health-care debate. i watched it from afar. it is the clear intent of congress when they passed this law that apparently the subcommittee is so great that pretty much by unanimous sense, they thought congress should have to actually purchase their health care through the exchanges without subsidies. that is very clear intent. is thereof the matter will be millions of americans who lose their health care because of obama care. and their congress

staff are part of that population, but because president obama has the legal authority to direct his agency to carve out a little special treatment for members of congress and their staff, and that is simply wrong, because under that ruling, it will only be members of congress and their staff that will be able to contribute to their health care coverage in the exchanges regardless, regardless of their income level, and that is simply not fair. and, of course, president obama is all about fairness. the threehink senators for leading on this issue to make sure that congress and their staffs must live by the law that is passed. have a wide spectrum of citizens groups very, very involved in this effort, and they are the main reason we are advancing this ball i think very effectively, and we have three representing a broader coalition here today. first, grover norquist.

obamacare, we are told, is a good idea. they have to make it mandatory. we are told, is a good idea, but washington is exempted from it. we have seen the president give exemptions and delay is to organize labor, big business, insurance companies, and now, to official washington. to say that washington should live by the same rules as the rest of the country in obamacare and other things. this legislation by the leadership here is very important, and i am glad we are focused on this. this is one of the things that even harry reid's senate is going to have to agree to. >> thank you, grover, and next, with an activist group. >> thank you, senator, and thank

you all for your leadership. just in the past week, we sent 26,000 letters trying to force an amendment on this. there is an exclusion. thekly, what we saw on floor today was absolutely shameful. we saw harry reid and every single democrat say they are willing to shut down the government to ensure that only the privileged few have this, only the privileged few are protected from the ravages, and the largest one percent of corporations that are protected from the employer mandate, while the mandate hits everyone else. senate to do this at this point in time, for them to live under the law they passed, let there be no mistake. the law is written absolutely clear that they should be in the exchanges. employers have dropped employer coverage. are employees of the

american people, and it was crystal-clear that they move their coverage, and extend, doing this like every other american losing their coverage. that has been stopped by a ruling that disregards the language, structure, and intent of the law. that is wrong, and at the very least, senator harry reid, refusing to grant special interests. they can live under the law. we are very proud, and we would love to see the house concluded -- included in the next continuing resolution, four harry reid to shut down the government to just protect his own special interests. >> thank you. another great leader in this fight and very active is with the independent women's voice. independent women's voice. have a repeal pledge on obamacare.

nowashihave ngtonexemption.com. we are concerned about what will happen to americans after this law. higher costs, fewer doctors, and and we haveion, already seen time and time again. this law makes it clear that congress needs to be treated ist like any employee who losing his or her employer-based insurance and now has to go and face these costs. the proposed special ruling gives benefits to congress that no one else receives. they can delay the law for everyone, not just selectively for themselves. why 45 different organizations signed this letter supporting this organization and the principle of fairness that it embodies. that senatorl

harry reid would not allow a vote on this legislation, nor would he even describe it properly. a percentage of the american public thinks this special washington exemption is grossly unfair and says no, and they are right, because in america, no man or woman is above the law, including congress. thank you. much, andou very then, finally, in terms of speakers, brian baker, and then we will get to your questions. >> thank you, and thank you all for your leadership. from the obamacare very beginning, including taking it all of the way to the supreme court, and we pointed out all of the sweetheart deals, the kick backs, all of the things that outraged americans, so it is really no surprise to us that here on the eve of obama care taking effect, there is yet one more sweetheart deal that screws over the american people and allows congress a special exemption from this law.

the obama allies stand up to say the national election proves obama. our polls do not show that. number ofshow a great the american people oppose obama care. but if they think it is so great, they should live under it. the elected officials in congress, excuse me, should live under it also. exactly how the subsidy is. it is so different from employer contributions for walmart employees. because that walmart employee does not go to the exchange, and if he or she is, no employer contributions and follow that person to the exchange, and so this special congressional subsidy is unique. nobody at that income level can get this sort of bailout or subsidy going to the exchange.

the whole purpose of this provision from the beginning was to make congress walk in the who werethose folks losing their previous employer- based coverage and being forced against their will to go to the exchange. if you give congress the special a lot subsidy, you defeat the whole purpose. would just say, i mean, the law does not allow you -- it essentially severs your employer-based coverage. at is what he did. the idea that the law said this, they passed it, and now they can just not abide by it, to me, i ain't is wrong, especially when that law is not being enforced. benefits seems to people in positions of power. we have not seen waivers benefiting blue-collar folks who are losing hours or losing their coverage. >> anybody else? is a, in fact, there

shutdown, and the public feels disruption and uncertainty, how long? what brings it to an end? what do you see? manufacturing a background, so i am just looking at the root cause. i think it is important to recognize the root cause of why we are in this position today, is the fact that this bill was jammed through on a totally partisan basis, so it created a division in this country which is still playing out, and then another source is that senator harry reid, who fully controls passed an, has not appropriations bill in two years. are continuing to fund the government with these continuing resolutions, and i guess september 30 kind of creeped up on people. order to solve these problems, actually have congress do the work it is supposed to do, which is passed budgets,

start doing the hard work of prioritizing spending, and then we would not be here. how this is all going to play out, i do not see much of a desire here, so i am hoping this is very short lived. would certainly be supportive of one week to see how this process plays out. >> i do not have a crystal ball. i do not know exactly how it plays out, but i know this. or two, the democrats are refusing to fund government only because of this provision protecting themselves, then i think they will be correctly perceived for what they are doing, and we will be on solid ground in that scenario. >> in conversations with your own staff about getting rid of these benefits to them, and they will be seeking employment elsewhere if that happens? not would just say we are

getting rid of the benefits. obamacare got rid of the benefits. it actually got rid of the benefits. you cannot magically create subsidies through executive fiat, so my staff understands that it is legally not sustainable in terms of what opm tried to do. view it as taking something away. they understood that obamacare did that, and it is just a matter of time. >> speaking for myself, my staff understands with the obamacare statute is what did this, but i itght against that, in stands to reason with me that washington could live with the laws it created. >> i actually had a very specific conversation with my staff. this, so strongly about one of the things i did, i wanted to avail myself of every possible remedy, so i issued a note to the office of personnel management, asking them to

reject this ruling, and seven people from my staff joined me, and the reason i did that was to make sure i exhausted every remedy so i could hopefully establish standing to challenge this in court if it goes that far. i am really hoping that the continuing resolution, they codify the fact that we should not be getting special privileges here in congress. >> anybody else? >> what about the white house? >> our language does apply to the white house. first of all, it goes back to the language of the statute applied to all members of it expands that and applies the same rule to the president, vice president, and all of their political appointees. >> do you have any comment of what the house should do now going forward? an individual

being in the senate, i cannot give free and unsolicited advice. >> i think you may see that today. thei would just say also, beauty of the one-year delay, that would have delayed this provision also, so the staff would have been able to keep their current benefits, and that is something that a lot of people have not thought out, but i think that shows that we would like to delay the whole thing. at would actually give everyone, including staff and members of problem -- i have no fixing it for us, but we should be at the back of the line. we should be fixing it for our constituents first. housebers of the democrats joined us since july to delay the individual mandate for one year. and then you are adding on this provision which says no special treatment for congress.

i think that is a very tough thing to vote against, and i think a lot of constituents will look at that and say that is very unreasonable. colleagues on the republican side voting against what we are trying to do here may mean that we are facing a primary challenge. number is. people do not like this out in the country. it gets them in their gut when they see this. >> final question? strongly you feel very about the merits of this, but it may result in a shut down, and are you worried about a backlash of that? this is the best thing to avoid a shutdown, quite frankly. there, and that is what democrats have to hang their hat on, i think our language is sort of a response or solution to that.

>> the government shutting down at midnight. will is because democrats not accept treating washington like it treats america, i think that is a message that is important for all americans to hear. thank you all very much. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] continued live coverage of the goings-on of capitol hill with the potential government shutdown and the continuing resolution. and his folks up there talking about their bill oft would put members congress, their staffs, and the executive branch, the white house personnel, no more subsidies. this press conference that you have been listening to is a little more significant. is reporting that the house republicans have decided to send the continuing resolution back to the senate with provisions

that would delay for one year the mandate on insurance and includes controversial language about coverage for members and staff, and the house rules committee, where all bills in the house have to go through the rules committee, it is meeting in about 15 minutes or so, and we will bring you live coverage of that, so the house rules committee is meeting. it is on the house floor. the senate is still in town, so chances are they will have some more votes and back and forth between the two chambers. which would deal with a stopgap spending plan added billions in sequestered spending and the individual mandate that was particularly the targets and president obama delayed the employer mandate, it would also include that mandate. it would roll back contributions

provided to members and staff and at the political appointees to those required to buy their health insurance through the exchanges. now, there is one other note in here. meanwhile, house republican moderate are considering voting against the rule that would be needed for the chamber to take up the new amendments to the stopgap spending plan, and that puts republicans against the rule. towould lead house leaders be unable to bring to the floor their measure on stopgap spending. so we wentt from cq, to continue to take your calls for a minute as we wait for the house rules committee to come in. number is are there on the screen. go ahead and dial in if you can get through, and if you cannot, you can send some tweet comments

8, or you can make a comment on our facebook page at 0, and here are some comments that are coming in -- our facebook page facebook5-3888 -- .com/cspan and here are some comments coming in. is a democrat in indianapolis. you are lending your voice to this discussion. >> all right, well, what i want perception.t is the it is no wonder the american people are so confused right now, because you have the media effect, where people are talking more about what they deal rather than the tax, and then the

politicians that people vote in office. they religiously distort what the bill is, what it is all about, in the american people, where were they when the companies and reports of how much money and the billions they were profiting off of something that is not a luxury, it is a necessity. where have they been? already reducing that. it is nothing new. what i believe is in their own personal interest in the interest of business. worried about people, they lack compassion.

i paid for my insurance through my employer. if they are not forcing them to pay for insurance, they are forcing us to pay for it. a lot of people don't want to carry at, but it is a mandate. , if they arey concerned about the people, about that? of the other bills at the house passed early sunday morning and late saturday night the military will still get paid, it was passed by the house separately. it was by unanimous consent. george in north carolina on the republican line.

>> i always tell my sons that history begins the day that you start to pay attention to it. they were disingenuous about this latest great reception that we had blaming it on the bush administration when it goes back to jimmy carter. the banks took advantage of it. prior to this issue on obamacare, 10% to 15% of the people were not covered by insurance. it changes the world for 100% of the people instead of addressing the 15%. leaves 30 million people just as before uninsured.

good is it doing to have it nationalized if it is a states issue? saying that the poor were being thrown aside by the republicans prior to obamacare being installed. poor.e medicaid for the children, people with pre- existing conditions, and quite honestly, tort reform. your comments to a conclusion. what do you think of the government shutdown and this back and forth? >> let me put it this way. thatchef serves you food he won't eat, would you eat their? -- there? you be supportive of a

government shutdown on this issue? >> certainly. this is liz calling on the independent line from corpus christi, texas. we are listening. say to the previous caller talking about medicaid for the poor. he could not be further from the truth. state because it is mostly run by republicans and they can care less about the poor. everybody keeps talking about the middle class people, this and that. ihave previous conditions and am on my fourth appeal. i applied in 2011 and i am still waiting. if i go to the county hospital, i am not allowed to see a licensed doctor.

i have to see a practicing that won't take you seriously because they can't stop laughing at you enough to treat you. >> thank you for adding to the conversation this afternoon. a couple more comments we want to show you. see what you get when you hire a bunch of idiotic lawyers to decide the fate of america? why did we have the 2012 election if the gop is going to shut down the government unless loser is when her -- winner? reid believes the people and pushes for shutdown. facebook.com/cspan to join the conversation. office, he was asked

about the current situation. here is what he had to say. >> the bottom line is that the senate has passed a bill that keeps the government open and does not have a lot of extraneous issues to it. it allows us to negotiate a longer-term budget. it ensures that we are not shutting down the government at a time when a lot of the families out there are just getting traction and digging themselves out of a hole. before, congress has two responsibilities. budget and pay the bills. i am not only open to but eager to have negotiations around a that makes sure

we are investing in middle class families, helping the economy grow, giving people that are working hard a leg up and greater security and stability. the long-term challenges in terms of debt and deficit. the only way to do that is for everybody to sit down in good faith without threatening to harm women and veterans and children with a government shutdown. we can't have any kind of meaningful negotiations. leader that a world would be responsible or consistent with america's leadership in the world. foundation of the world economy.

and the reserve currency of the world. we don't mess with that. we certainly don't allow toestic policy differences endanger not only our economy but our world economy. there is a pretty straightforward solution to this. if you set aside the short-term politics and you look at the , it's a plea requires everybody to act responsibly and do what's right for the american people.

>> continuing live coverage this afternoon of everything going on in washington on capitol hill at the white house. potential shutdown at midnight tonight and the continuing resolutions. just in case you're confused about what the house rules committee has done. they are coming into session this afternoon and will probably be a few minutes late. we will be live at that house rules committee meeting. they are not making plans to continuingnate resolution in order to avert a government shutdown. the house is planning to make ,urther changes to the senate that is currently what is going on. texas,ublican of

democrat.the ranking views ofo hear your what is going on. dems are running out of excuses. ok to shut the government down. tow the insane and irrational party line and welcome yourselves to the trash heap of history. what is your view of all this? >> i am against the obama care law because i think the state itself should cover the people, not the government. it has taken a constitutional right of way.

>> do you feel strong enough that you would support seeing the government shut down for a while? >> yes, i would. >> when you say the states, do you mean -- >> the state of texas should insure the people, not the government. >> rochester, michigan on the republican line. >> i think we have reached the point where the people are beginning to realize the federal government cannot run everything. it is time for congressmen and senators to realize they cannot continue to spend our money -- more money than they takke in. i hope they shutdown the government and save enough money that we won't go into bankruptcy

like a lot of local governments are doing. politicians continue to spend more money than they take in. >> mark, new york city. >> i used to be a democrat and became an independent. harry reid has blinders on, stop earned -- stubborn as a donkey. i believe if jfk was still he would have checked and created balances before this bill was even written. that it was written behind closed doors and dumped on the , i think the democratic

party is the one that has fallen apart. they are basically cowards. they follow the party rule. i am an independent now, but if this continues, the stubborn harry reid and the rest continue, then i'll vote republican and switch party. >> john from magnolia, texas. >> can you hear me? >> i apologize, i needed to hit the right button. i worked from 16 to 58. i paid taxes for social security, medicaid, and a safety net. i hit 58 and my glaucoma got so bad that i lost my eyesight.

when i went and filed for social security, they sent me to doctors and i was approved for the disability. in the state of texas, when you become disabled, you cannot get any medical help for two years. i think the american people need to know this. you must suffer for two years before you can get anything from medicaid. you must be disabled for two years. i lost my house, i can't pay my credit card bills, the four prescriptions are over $800 a month. i can get help from anybody in the state of texas. into what's happening in washington.

>> i would pay into health care. for me to keep insurance would be $800 a month. >> are you going to sign up for one of the exchanges? are you going to look into that? >> i don't mind paying according to what i make. but i can't get anything because glaucoma is so bad that nobody will touch me. larry in lebanon, indiana. >> i have a comment. country orree politics telling us we have to take this and we don't have the

right to stop it. >> is that all you wanted to say? >> i say shut the government down. >> thank you. humble, t tennessee. we do property management and everything. and we also have a preservation issue. i don't know if they have something to do with it, but where will we work at? i don't know if that is the case or that is what the matter is. i am really concerned about our job.

>> we are watching the house and the senate and the republicans all kind of circle around this apologize, the i continuing resolution and government shutdown at midnight tonight. you can see the chair of the in theules committee committee room. they will be talking about a new the -- itwould have would take out the subsidies for members of congress and the executive branch appointees. that will come to the house

floor. then, it will go back to the senate. it is about 4:15 on the east coast. the government runs out of money at midnight. >> the takeover of the health care system. since obama care was signed into haveseven part-time jobs been created for every full-time job. americans don't have an for theity for a career lives they were used to living in this country. it has now been estimated that the law will cost twice as much

as it was originally thought. the american people are speaking loudly. house republicans are listening. the american people are asking not to please stand so that we ,ave an opportunity to repeal defund, or reverse this disastrous law. they have been unwilling to take the votes necessary to sustain withosition of doing away the american people. our job in the house of representatives to make sure that we are not only listening to the american people but we are responding accordingly. united that we are ready to prevent obamacare

from becoming a reality. we prepare a motion for the floor. the gentlewoman is recognized for the purpose of making an opening statement. everything you have said has already been refuted. i am not going to belabor them. we don't want to get into the weeds with you. i would like you to look around at the people that work extremely hard and tell them why you want to take away their health insurance. you are going to try to stop the mandate as well. understand or

explain why you would fight so hard to keep 30 million it makes no sense. you know it is not going to work. the senate dispatched the earlier bill in half an hour or less, maybe. , is it yourou intention that we will come back ? i think the gentlewoman for , butnly being very fair the intent of what we are saying , we believe that the president,

the vice president, the executive branch should be in the same boat. >> please don't ignore the facts. these young people come here with hope of being able to affect the common good. >> will the gentlelady yield? >> let me finish my point. you can hardly bear to look at your staff and say that, but our -- we have one intention all the way through

and we are desperately trying to stop this government from being shut down. >> the affordable care act included members and staff. we are trying to use the same language. >> no you are not. they are entitled to a contribution from their federal employer like everybody else, but they can't have it. >> we believe the president and vice president should be in there. >> i am talking about the staff that works here every morning.

they are entitled to health care and other from taking food away from poor people, this is probably one of the most cynical things. expectation that sometime before midnight we would be able to pass something to keep this government running. i agree with that. want to remind you that the last time the government was those parts of the government were not involved in the shut down because this congress did not pass any appropriations bill. the federal government is affected. this is worse.

>> we have not sent to the president an appropriations bill. always her words and her efficacy are appreciated and i have told you that i am delighted that you're here. >> imovie committee grant a rule providing for the consideration of the continuing appropriations resolutions. his designee that the house receive the amendment printed. it provides 40 minutes of control on the committee for appropriations.

it waives all points of order. considering a rule on the same reports resolution through october of 2013. >> is there further amendment or discussion? >> the ability to vote on what the senate passed, it was clear int they will not succeed the senate and the president is

not going to support this. you mentioned what the american people want. and yet, we are getting perilously close to the moment that it will be shut down. get to sit on the secret meetings you have to decide what will be in these bills. i would like you to pass on a message to your leadership. it is time to put the grown-up pants on and bring a bill to the floor that the president will sign so we can avoid a government shutdown. my question is, there is talk about that when this fails,

there will be a clean one coming to the floor. the gentleman asked pertinent questions that should be asked. and you are doing answer. i believe what we are doing right now is moving to the floor this motion that will be approved by the rules committee and will have a chance to offer a full debate. we will send that to the senate. there are still hours left and we will hope that there is a response that we can operate off of and agree with tonight. them to continue to make themselves available.

they are making headway and progress for the american people. saying, enough of the gamesmanship. doing here is moving us closer to a shut down and this is not going anywhere. this is dead on arrival. time.a waste of place look even worse if that is possible. as best i would tell you, there is much debate about this. we are trying to do the things that we think are in the best

interest of the american people. times forked over 40 the president to be engaged in this. and we are going to be faithful to the end. want to shut down the government and i appreciate the comments. >> the majority leader of the senate has indicated that he will not accept anything other than a clean cr. what did you anticipate would happen if you do something like this other than the government would shut down? i think there can be an action or reaction.

i have stated we will keep this committee on alert, we will be ready and available. even if father conroy had a bible right here, that they are faithful about attending and would be here to the bitter end. we will try to find something. come to athese things bitter end. it goes to the last play. i would ask that you are being very faithful, all nine of us are staying very calm in the midst of some very difficult things we are dealing with.

we are called and you have resolved. resolve.nd you have i amnot lecturing you, encouraging you and saying to you that we are doing the right thing to play this out. this is the rules to many -- committee. that as we getk closer to midnight, that frustration level will, perhaps, be answered. >> i was not finished. ask.e other questions to i yield to the gentlelady for the purposes of an introduction. >> this is a statement of administration policy. bill forly oppose a

the funding measure to maintain government functions and avoid a damaging government shutdown. the house of representatives should pass rather than propose an amendment that advances a narrow ideological agenda. measures thatus have no place in a funding bill, the president has said it is unacceptable and they are pushing the government for a shut down if presented as amended -- they would veto the bill. >> continuing, let me make a prediction for you. we won't be back here tonight choose to vote on a continuing resolution that is clear and clean. you believeept --

you are doing the right thing and i believe you're doing the wrong thing by precluding staff members. is unfair to have young people -- i might add, you might cause a brain drain because a lot of these kids would leave. i have three staffers that have given me their termination dates largely because of their uncertainty. the other thing the senate can do is quickly send it back, and i will assume at that point, we nearing somewhere the

end of the legislative day. insofar as the legislative time, you will run out at 2:00 in the morning. if they do nothing, the government shuts down. political gamesmanship at this point is unnecessary. chairman if, 17 when ago, if we were here the government shutdown, what did we gain? you as a republican and me as a democrat? not trying to correct you, but i was not here. >> you do know about it and you know that we did shut down.

i apologize to you, i thought that you were here. just as a gentleman from the republican party and me being from the democratic party, what do you think america gained by virtue of that? perhaps several things. party thatwas a would not put up with the status quo of spending more money on what we produced. the second was an $80 billion agreement of less funding. other than that, it was terribly difficult for people. i believe the recollection is as mine, it caused a lot of confusion. thatmerican people knew somebody was there to fight for

them. >> let me tell you what it is going to cost. they shut down all over america in government situations. it that kind of preparation has been going on when the people could have been about the business trying to prepare to do .omething to create jobs it is essential, it

will burden people. shutding on how long we the government down, it will cost $150 million. i can think of things in each of our congressional districts that $150 million will do. use terminology as you did it, doing the right thing, the american people. is a 40-40 nation. 40% of them would agree with you. agree with ms.ld slaughter. 20% is an interesting phenomenon, that is where the battle will be in 2014 and 2016.

constitutes an interesting phenomenon because inside that body is a group that what't care of boot about anyone else does. i can assure you that most of willwho are the majority be looking at our actions. a lot of people are going to lose their elections on both sides by virtue. we are no longer legislating, we are gaming the system. group of people in your party make the decision that they are going to cause this i thinknt to shut down,

that that is not democracy, that is mymocracy. the old whigs were having their party with other whigs like you're doing. thata sad day for those agree with you and those that agree with me. able to reconcile our differences and we are not doing this. >> thank you for your comments, but your genuine nature. you, i wouldcting like to say it is not us shutting down the government yet. legislativelying in an appropriate way. i hope that the people that do negotiate between the house and the senate and the president, there will be some commonality.

we have this prestigious position just a few short years to be able to allow our legislative agendas, whether they be republicans or democrats, to come forth from the party. representative and member of the republican leadership and i have wide latitude in many things. it one of the things which will do and say is that i doessent a party that believe we are trying to do the right thing. is there further discussion at all? fromere futher discussion -- further discussion from any member that wishes to be heard? >> i want to make the comment

that there is a thought that we would beeway, treated differently as members of congress. and people would be denied their health care coverage, which is not true. the average small business out there has a choice to make. one of those choices is to allow employees to go on the exchange. that is exactly what we were told to do. it was made to circumvent that law. what it does say is that if an employer allows that to take employer -- place, the coverage.ize that they will be put in a situation where the employer will not be bee to provide and they will

sent to the exchanges. but they are barred from giving any kind of subsidy. i don't blame you for vetoing it because i would not want to be put on obamacare either. and if we follow that law that was passed, we would not be able to get the government subsidy. just like millions of others are going to do. this is exactly like everyone else. >> i want to point out that the said it wasuthor not his intention to have the federal government be able to

to peoplede subsidy that work on the hill like other businesses do. what you're doing here is taking this one step further and treating staff people differently. want't care how much you to beat up members of congress. loathingough this self exercise every year. it is the people that work here. they believe public service is an honorable profession. the signal you're sending to people is that it is ok for them to become political pawns. it is a lousy thing to do. i get the politics of it.

putyour leadership needs to on their grown-up pants and pass thattinuing resolution will keep this government running. we can have this debate on the floor and go through this game. i think the sooner we get this over with, the better. >> the gentleman is recognized. what mypathize with friends say about staff. the right one is and in some sense, they are very much innocent bystanders. the legal remedy is sufficient to protect them because, frankly, we set them up

look forward to working with my friends on it. it is a process that we would be going through. back, fair enough. favor amy friends medical device in one way or another. that was also summarily brushed aside. now we are coming back again , and my friendcial deals pointed out how that could be done. since we are giving big businesses and many individual entities exemptions from this, why mandate that any american have to participate?

if you want to participate, you still can. this idea of requiring individuals to do what we are not willing to require large corporations to do is just the law isunfair, unfairly. cr and head clean down to negotiate the larger issues. we would probably not be here on the last minute if the senate were here on sunday. he knows what running out the clock looks like and that is precisely what our friends were doing. we will see what they do.

i hope we can avoid a government shutdown, i really do. we have made that abundantly clear. i don't think this right to defend congress having something that others should have, i think that is the essence of the debate. >> the gentleman from colorado is recognized. >> i hope we can get to this process. i will respond briefly to the gentleman that said about the medical device tax, there is a democratic bill where we pay for it to get rid of gas industry

loopholes. i would also be willing to look at it with other things that might be mutually agreeable. there is a lot of things i believe. i believe we should replace no child left behind with a better education policy. those are my dearest beliefs. i don't feel that we should shut down government over this issue. is it really worth shutting down overederal government these disagreements? or can we work on them together? can, let'ss body find a pathway to do that. not part of a high-stakes negotiation where everybody feels like they have a gun to their head.

that kind of behavior is the immaturity that people see in this congress. that, that we can take you know, take that away and say, let's work at what we can agree on. they lose a lot of people that would otherwise be your allies. , ande that is constructive that we can work together on issues where we agree. and hopefully be back here later tonight or tomorrow with a bill that will cut the government shutdown. >> i appreciate what the gentleman said and the spirit in which he said that. there is

nothing in this legislation that says shutting down the government. i will make myself available. i will agree to be here late at night and when the senate finishes their stuff, perhaps i agree andyou a way to the american people will know that those guys can work together. maybe we can be seen that way. i don't know what is going to happen, but i know i will call the question and we will vote on the measure. to theould prepare us motion that has and presented by the general -- the gentlewoman. those in favor? those against? the ayes have it. roll call. >> miss fox, aye.

mr. bishop, aye. mr. cole, aye. mr. woodall, aye. mur. nugent, aye. mr. webster, aye. mr. burgess, aye. ms. slaughter, no. mr. mcgovern, no. mr. hastings, no. mr. chairman, aye. nay's.y's and four >> i will be managing this for the majority. the gentlewoman from new york will be managing that -- texas, miss texas. hearing,s to end this but with that said, i would

advise all members as i have previously done that i hope that you would leave your devices on this afternoon and this evening for a possible opportunity to call you back. us.er, pray for this ends the meeting. thank you very much. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013]

>> live coverage of the house rules committee. they have voted to send an amended bill to the floor of the house of representatives. that means the house of representatives will probably be coming into session at some point in the next hour or two. perhaps voting on this amended till and sending it back to the senate. the senate is still in session and talking about the issue of the government shutdown and health care. maybe the senate will take it up a little later this evening. we will continue our live coverage of the events going on this afternoon.

come outdent is due to in just a minute and make a statement about a potential government shutdown. the white house correspondents for the different networks, chuck todd on the far left. abc, they areof all ready to do the two-minute warning. the president will be out in two minutes and it gives the anchors a chance to make a few comments fire to the president coming out. are standingthey up there for right now. as soon as the president comes out, we will be live with his statement and continue to take your phones. few calls waiting for the president and we might have to cut you off if he comes out. show you this politico article, first of all.

shutdown, house gop to delay individual mandate. just hours to go, republicans will try to pass a bill that cancel health insurance subsidies for members of congress and staff. these provisions will be attached to a funding bill that will certainly be rejected by the senate since harry reid said he would not accept changes to obamacare. not even all republicans agree with representative peter king who stood up on monday afternoon and said he was opposed to the measure. another suggested house republicans try to add to obamacare that approves approving the aca.

it can get a little messy on the house floor this afternoon. but the house has passed a bill that would fund the government through december 15. the senate has passed a continuing resolution. in 1995.was it lasted for 21 days. 800,000 civilian employees would be furloughed. national parks would shut down, museums, regulatory agencies, grant andrs, federal contract offices. things that would not close including social security offices, medicare payments, entitlement programs, law enforcement, ella terry and national security. ella terry and national

security. and national security. as we continue the live coverage around the events of the government shutdown, we will .ear from you colleen on the democrat line. i don't know the answer to any of these questions. in particular, right out of high when 18-year-olds were first allowed to vote, but i don't understandt h the democratic position that the staffers, this group of americans that need to have health insurance paid for by the federal government. from highduated school and got social security because my husband's father

passed away. job.s a part-time i just don't understand this exceptionalism with these staffers. >> do you agree with the republicans that this should be >> is it worth closing the government down for? >> the affordable care act is law and it should be the law of the land, inclusive. you know, it should be for everybody. you for calling this afternoon. live pictures from the briefing room and they were just given

the two-minute warning because the anchors are getting ready to do a quick preview of what the president is going to say. the president will come out in two minutes and make his statement. caller: thank you for taking my call. the government has flood insurance. why don't they set up the same thing for people who do not get health insurance? that is all i have to say. it would be the same thing. tony from alabama. caller: i am loving it. i am getting my free phone, welfare, and food stamps. i think the country will be a whole lot better off. host: are you being sarcastic?