but my constituency does not understand why we had to regulate the entire health care industry, destroying the 40-hour work week as my union friends have said, destroying the health care plan that folks in my district have now have had that lost. we don't have an agreement on everything, let's move forward on that with which we agree. i could not agree more, mr. speaker. i urge a strong yes vote for this role and a strong yes vote for every single under lying

provision. i thank my friend on the rules committee for yielding to me and i yield back the balance of my time. >> i yield myself 30 seconds. my colleagues who confuse the fact that they go around that they don't want to shut down the house. it's some hope that nobody would understand that they have actually shut down the house. what my colleague is talking about on the democrat side is let's do it we agree with, they are taking their word for it that you did not want to shut down the house alerts not do it. you cannot superimpose that notion onto the idea by setting up this government by dreads and draft. dad's -- i dribs and drabs. you're going to have a chance to do what you said you did not want to do, shut down the house.

i understand from what you said that because of healthcare, because of healthcare and what you think it has done to people in your district, you are holding this country hostage. >> will the gentlelady yield? >> i yield back. >> point of inquiry? could you tell me how much time is remaining? >> the gentlelady from new york has 13 minutes remaining and the gentleman from oklahoma has 12.5 minutes remaining. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i want to yield two minutes to my good friend from the great state of florida. speaker. you, mr. and theere on a friday government has partially been shut down for some for days now. republicans have tried to be reasonable.

many of us did not like obamacare. did not have health care like my family at certain times and thought we had a responsibility to help people that had pre-existing conditions, else some of our young people and we disagreed with the other side. they passed it and said -- and did not say what was in the bill until we passed it. after we passed it, it became the law and we saw what was in it. times, in counter attention to the law that was passed, the president changed the law. a few days ago, october 1, there was not money to run the government that there was money to run obamacare. still, many people were left in the lurch after many exceptions were made for special interest folks, even business.

i admit to being pro-business. they gave them a waiver. congressaid members of and also the white house staff and others should be under obamacare, when we said the individual should also have a break here -- this is a system that some democrats said was a train wreck. we did not say that but we should have the opportunity to make some changes and we offered three opportunities to make changes, some of them minor, that we thought were fair. when you go out golfing on the saturday before the government is about to run out of money and when you don't show up her work on sunday and you come to work on monday as a united states senator, you cannot negotiate. when you send people to the white house and set there and say we will not negotiate -- can i have an additional minute? >> the gentleman is recognized for one additional minute. >> our layers in good faith go

to the white house to urge the president. a stafferer, i was with senator hawkins -- and would work with my boss and others to get things done. i voted on this floor to impeach bill clinton and bill clinton came back and worked with us and we balanced the budget. we had the last shut down in 1995, within two years, we balanced the budget. we reformed welfare. we balanced the legit and the debate here on september 11 was what to do with the surplus. some good come -- some good can come out of this. they have to be willing to negotiate. when the white house says they won't talk, when he goes to maryland or wherever he was,

they tell folks that a gun is being held to his head, that is wrong. let's get this done for the american people. mr. speaker, i did not know how much time i had. i would be happy to yield more time to mr. mica. i would be happy to yield him a minute if you'd like. >> the gentlelady is recognized. >> i yield two minutes to the gentleman from illinois. >> the gentleman from illinois is recognized for two minutes. >> i want to thank the gentlewoman from new york for yielding. i oppose this rule and i oppose the bill and i'd don't oppose it because my district does not need the assistance. i represent what of the most impoverished and disadvantaged districts in america. we have great need terry at fortunately, many of my constituents know the difference between genuinely trying to help

them or, as the guys in the barbershop might say, gaming htem. they might say full me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me or they could say that this piecemeal approach is not going to cut poverty in my state of illinois that is at nearly 15% and in my district, child poverty is 40%. women, 28%, african americans , 23% of asian-americans and 24% of latinos. in my district live in poverty. people in96,470 eight my district live in poverty. you can see that we need the assistance but we also need affordable health care. we need mortgage assistance.

we need to get homeless people off the street during the cold winters of chicago. therefore i cannot up support this he's male approach what we need is a clean cr so that our employees can return to work and our people can receive the services and benefits that they so greatly need and rightly deserve. we need a claim cr. i thank the gentlewoman from new york for yielding and i yield back the balance of my time. mr. speaker, i yield two minutes to the sink -- to the distinguished chair of the appropriations committee. >> the gentle from kentucky is recognized for two minutes. what is the normal procedure , the time-honored procedure, in the congress when the two bodies disagree?

how do we work that out? we schedule a conference and go to conference and try to negotiate our differences. that is the time-honored tradition. that's the way the place works and how it should operate. that's regular order. the senate has passed a bill, the house has passed the bill which disagree with each other, the house two or three nights a go, past their motion to go to conference. it passed the house. the house then appointed contraries from the house side and sent that to the senate waiting for the senate to appoint contraries so that we can meet together, work out our differences, and bring that agreement back to each body of the house and the senate. why aren't we proceeding on regular order in this case? do you have an answer? mr. chairman i don't.

i would highly recommend to my friends that we do because it seems a good way to resolve our differences. >> that's the way we have done it for 200 years or so. that is when we disagree with the other body, we each appoint our contraries in the countries go off and amend and change and argue and debate until there is some agreement that can be brought back to each chamber which then can reject or accept that conference report. the house has acted. we are waiting on the senate to appoint their contraries so we work 24 hours a day if necessary to come to an agreement which we can do. i would urge the other body to honor the age-old tradition in the congress -- when you disagree with the other body, you appoint contraries to work out the differences and bring it back to each body. i would hope the senate would do that. i yield. >> the gentlelady from new york.

>> mr. speaker, i want the time to say that regular order has not been the order of business in this house for a long time. i am pleased to yield two minutes to the gentleman from california, the appropriations subcommittee on agriculture. the gentleman from california is recognized for two minutes. >> thank you for yielding. i am a member of the andopriations committee that's how we keep government open and we have never been able to get the appropriations bills to the floor because the republicans will not appoint contraries to the joint committees so we are doing a continuing resolution, it continuing resolution is not new to this congress. it has been done every year. it hascking thing is never been used as a weapon of destruction until now. we were here last year with the same argument.

the healthcare bill is not the issue here. that has been law in this country for 3.5 years. we have been, appropriating money to keep government open. what is the difference now? newdifference now is a attitude, new breed, very mean, very conservative, very anti- government. theirre willing to bring internal kind of power within their caucus to shut down the whole country if not the whole world. it's totally irresponsible. they say we can do this if we can change the health-care bill. if it needs changing, bring it up in a bill, that's how we change things. this rule says let's perhaps 10 parts of government, let's have multiple-choice. whichave a triage, parts of government do you like?

we cannot be against all healthcare. we will provide healthcare services for some but any other system that might provide assistance for other kinds of low income people, this is government by multiple-choice. ,et's bring the whole family the whole nation together, rejected this rule, reject the ability to the previous question. >> i believe i only have one more speaker in the room so want to inform my colleagues that i may be prepared to close. i would like to yield two minutes to the gentleman from

new jersey. it should be error shared conviction that we should take a vote on this and let all 400 33 members present here cast a vote on whether they want the senate bill to pass or not and if our side wins, find and if our side loses, that's fine, too, that's democracy. after this avalanche of talk, there'll be a chance for people

to vote on this question.

after this avalanche of talk, there's going to be a chance in a few minutes for people to actually vote on this question. and this is not the technical procedural language, but the reality language. what this vote is going to ask is this -- do you want the government shutdown to continue or not? if you vote no, that you don't want the government -- the shutdown to continue. the senate bill will come to the house floor this afternoon and we'll take that vote. if you vote yes, then the senate bill will not come to the house floor and we'll continue on this ever lasting process of burdening the american people, talking the issue to death, and not getting anything done. we owe it to the american people to raise our hands, vote yes or no on the senate bill. if the answer is no, the answer is no. mine would be yes. but the way to make that happen is to cast this vote in a few minutes. the question on this vote is do you want the government shutdown to continue or not? if your vote is no, then we vote on the senate bill. if your vote is yes, then we don't. and the shutdown continues. the american people deserve this vote. plk, give us this vote. i yield back. >> gentleman from oklahoma. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i have good news i want to announce here in just shortly. i want to note for the record that we don't like the piece mill approach. rowdy if you look at actions, sometimes they do, they like it until they don't. the point that we had, of course, hr 3210 here which funded the military by our good friend from colorado, mr.

kauffman, i think in a very bipartisan way, we voted overwhelmingly on both sides to fund the military and most of the contracting and civilian employees. a little disagreement with the administration about that right now. but that's half of the discretionary budget, taking care in a piece mill vote. today the administration just announced and i commend them for doing it. i commend my friend because she announced she was going to be supportive of this too. i think we all are. it's evident in the rules committee, hr-2233, federal employee retroactive -- administration's just announced that they're going to support that legislation. the president looks forward to signing it. that's a bipartisan agreement. and quite frankly the good work of mr. moran and mr. wolf of virginia that found common ground in a piece mill approach. it's maybe not the greatest news in the world, but on a day when there's not as merchandise good news as we would all like, some good news. and i would hope my friends would look at the individual pieces of legislation that are coming where we mostly agree and accept those. we don't have to weigh on

everything as the point has been made by several to agree on some things. those are areas that we do agree. we can fund our military in this fashion, and we can make sure that our federal employees are not going to lose any pay retroactively, certainly, you everything as the point has been know, one step at a time we can walk in the right direction and turn back on critical parts of our government. i hope that's what we're moving toward, mr. speaker. and with that, i'll reserve the balance of my time so my friend knows i'm quite prepared to close when she wishes to close. >> gentleman's time is reserved. gentle lady from new york. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i'm absolutely going to vote to retroactively fund the federal employees that is the best i can do on one issue. that's the matter of basic fairness. it's not good enough. the fact is, that the federal employees will not get paid the retroactive money until after all of this charade is over. announced and i commend them for we have no idea when that's going to be. i think what -- let me reiterate again what all my colleagues have said. we can do it right now. put them back to work and let

them get their paycheck. i'm embarrassed every time i pass the capitol police, what's happening to them. it bothers me terribly to hear from my friends at the state department they're working on fumes. we cannot run the government of the united states, which is the beacon of democracy, has been the pattern for countries all over the world, by saying that we're going to fund this piece over there and that piece over there. and we don't care what happened to the rest of it. that's not what we are here for. certainly we will fund that one piece. but i can tell you right now, the democrats are not going do the rest of it because the senate is not going to take it up and the president is not going to sign it. we are simply wasting time. and we're taking up valuable time. and we are worrying the country half to death. for heaven's sake, when we do this previous question, let us do the right thing, vote no and the pattern for countries all over the world, by saying that we're going to fund this piece over there and that piece over get all these -- does it literally make sense to anybody who manages a house hold or then we wouldiness.

set to everybody --go on and rest, we'll pay you later when we decide you can come back for not being here. that makes absolutely no sense. let them go back to work. we're going to pay them. pay them now for the work they're doing. pay concurrently with work. done that make more sense? does it really make any sense at all we're saying to them we have no idea what the end game is here. you may be sitting around for a very long time while the country pays $300 million a day of the cost of the shutdown. so heaven sakes, say once again that you have to do this today. we have to stop this nonsense. it's humiliating us. we cannot go on with this another week. we're only here today to maybe try to look like we're doing something because of the government shutdown.

and we know it. those bills that we're voting on today had no committee action, nothing. the senate is not going to take it up. they will not become law as every school child knowles. now, those who vote no on the previous question will give the chamber what the leadership of the majority has not. and that will be the real chance to vote this down so we can put the cr on the calendar. and stop the shutdown now, today. the president -- it does have to go back to senate. the president is waiting for it. and it's unanimous consent to insert the text of the amendment in the record along with --traneous material 3450edly immediatelyprior to the vote on previous question. >> without objection. >> mr. speaker, i urge my colleagues, i beg my colleagues, i do implore my colleagues, for goodness sakes, come to the floor, defeat the previous question. vote no.

and i yield back the balance of my time. >> the gentle lady yields back her time. the gentleman from oklahoma. >> i want to thank my good friend from new york. she's always a good counterpoint debater. we agree on a number of things. it's not something either side wished to achieve and it's something we ought to work together step-by-step to try to undo. and frankly, we made a little bit of progress. again, the idea that it never works to work piece mill, it did with respect to the united states military, civilian defense force, and contractors. exactly what we did. we passed something out of here and the senate which said wasn't going to agree on anything, magically did. then the house resolution 2233 out of here to guarantee back -- 3223. most people on both sides of the

aisle will support that. the president indicates he will sign it which suggests to me the senate will take it up and move it. voila, once again, working through the process, we found something that we can agree on. the differences here should not be so great that they can't be bridged. just to remind everyone of the history, we have placed multiple offers concerning the affordable care act before the senate. the last offer seems to me something that we ought to be able to agree on or certainly be willing to sit down and discuss. only has two points. and it's basically a question of fairness. why should members of congress and i appoint the executive branch and our staff go into the exchange and be able to bring subsidies to us when no other american can do that. it's just not fair. now, we can amend the law and let everybody come in to the exchanges with subsidies, that would be fair. or we can say, you know, really members of congress and their staff are a fundamental level,

you know, employees of the federal government. they ought to be in that. that would be fair. but let's treat everybody the same. more fundamentally, currently, the president has unilaterally decided to exempt 1100 plus organizations, he's unilaterally in a questionable measure constitutionally to suspend parts of the law for the year and big business. we think, gosh, if you're going to do that, shouldn't every single american have the right to decide if they want to participate in this for one year until everybody is operating under the same system? that, too, is a question of fairness, give every individual american the same relief from the mandate that you're giving big business and big labor. it seems to me common senseive cal. doesn't mean you have to stop the exchanges or the taxes, don't undo the program. treat everybody the same, be fair.

that's the republican proposal in front of the senate right now. frankly you don't want to discuss it because it's a hard one to say no to. it's fundment tally fair. that's what we ask is that the senate which rejected it to come to congress and talk about it. the issue here beyond the questions of policy is the senate going to be allowed to dictate unilaterally what the house does. is it going to say no, you've got to do it our way. we're not going to negotiate, we're not going to go to conference, we're not going deal with you. you have to do it our way. that's not the way the system was set up. my friend and chairman mr. rogers pointed that out simply. we've got a way to handle this. it's called go to conference, argue, work out the differences. and i suspect we're going to see the same thing a little down the road from the president, who told us and told the speaker this week, you know, i'm not going to negotiate with you on raising the debt ceiling in the united states. you just have to do it unilaterally.

you have to put the country further into debt without any discussion of what we're going to do to protect the debt. the remarkable change of what he wants in august 20611, remarkable change. he was in a very different place and position. he was willing to sit down and talk. i don't know what -- why it would change that now. we should do something on this bill to build on the piece mill approach. we agree the parts of government ought to be open. we continue to work through in confidence with our friends in the senate and ultimately in negotiation with the president of the united states on the debt ceiling. so i urge the adoption of this rule. in closing, i would like to again say the basic functions of government are to fund government, congress, excuse me. this rule would allow ten more pieces of that government to open again, provide for crucial services that they provide. i would urge my colleagues to

support this rule and the underlying legislation. mr. speaker, i yield back the balance of my time and move the previous question on the resolution. >> the question is on ordering the previous question on the resolution. those in favor, aye. those opposed, no. the ayes have it. request the yeas and nays. >> those favoring the questions of the yeas and nays will rise. the yeas and nays are ordered pursuant to the clautz rule 20. pursuant to clause 12-a of rule 1, the house will stand in recess subject to the call of the chair. >> next house speaker john boehner and house republican leaders talking to reporters about the government shutdown and efforts to end it, including a call for negotiations with president obama and senate majority leader harry reid. members spoke about the current process under way in the house to fund individual federal agencies and programs through targeted spending bills. >> you know when we have a

crisis like we're in the middle of this week, the american people expect their leaders to sit down and try to resolve their differences. listen to the president 20 times and listen why he would negotiate. sat there and listening to the majority leader of the united states senate describe to me he's not going to talk until we surrender. and this morning, i get "the wall street journal" out. it says it doesn't matter how long this lasts because we're winning. this is not some damn game. the american people don't want the government shut down, neither do i. all we're asking for is to sit down, have a discussion, bring fairness -- reopen the government and bring fair tons -- fairness tothe american people under obama care. it's as simple as that. but it all has to begin with a

simple discussion. >> good morning. you know, this week the american people have seen once again that obama care is not ready for primetime. dysfunctional website is the least of that law's problem. and we've asked as the speaker said for basic fairness to the american people, no special treatment for anyone under the law. and we're continuing to ask for that, no special treatment for us, no special treatment for special interests. now, now the president has refused to sit down with us republicans. and sadly, that is a hallmark of his presidency. a divided government, americans expect us to work together to solve problems. we vote reopen trials for children with cancer, to fund the services and the national guard.and opened national parks.

today we're going to vote to open fema and the national weather service as we witness a growing storm in the gulf. and we're also going to vote to provide nutrition services for women and children in poverty. we plan to also later next week open up head start. and tomorrow, we're going to vote to ensure that all furloughed federal employees know that they will receive their pay once the shutdown is over. now, 57 democrats have joined us this week to make sure that some of the critical functions of government are operating while we in washington are trying to work out our differences. i want to thank them for that. and i'm hopeful that we can see more bipartisanship and start talking so we can end uncertainty and restore the confidence in our economy and the faith in our government. >> this morning i read the president is cancelling his trip

to asia, the perfect opportunity now that he's here to begin the negotiations. as the speaker laid out, it doesn't matter how long we're shut down. i believe it does. i believe the 57 democrats that joined with us on passing the legislation to open government back up believes it matters as well. now the is the time we get in the room, settle our differences, and move this country forward. >> we continue to hear from the president that the way out of this shutdown is basically to give him whatever he wants. he wants the easy way out without addressing the debt crisis, without addressing a stagnant economy, without addressing an unaffordable health care law. we've heard the president say that the republicans are holding the u.s. hostage.

he said that he has bent over backwards to work with us. his words may sound good, but you know what? actions speak louder than words. and this is the president, this is the democrats in the senate that continue to tell us that they're not going to negotiate. they're not even willing to come to the table. the government is committed to keeping the government open.-- the republicans in the house are committed to keeping the government open. they're working every day to keep the government open. what we need is a dialogue to begin with the democrats with the senate and the president. these bills we're working on, this legislation, is the area where we should be able to start finding some common ground so that we can have a dialogue over the other big issues that face this country. they're not going to negotiate. that the american people want to see us add dress. >> i reminded the president the other night he's famous for saying you know, in a

negotiation, nobody gets 100% of what they want. we're not going to get it in this one either. yes, sir. >> you got a debt ceiling coming up in the next couple of weekings. what we're hearing about in conference, you guys focus mainly on the cr. a, is that true? and solely on the cr, and, b, to what extent would you be willing to look at the temporary debt ceiling increase given there's little time to resolve both of these issues. >> the continuing resolution to open the government. all we're asking for is for harry reid to appoint conferees so we can sit down and have a conversation about bringing fairness to the american people and getting our government open. >> plk, you've been quoted before saying you do not want -- that you want the debt cerealing to be raised.-- the debt ceiling to be raised. you do not want the u.s. to default. democrats are interpreting that

saying the 11th hour, when the president refuses to negotiate on the debt ceiling, you'll run a clean debt ceiling bill. but can you be clear on where you and your conference is on the debt ceiling. >> you heard me saying this, going back over the last two or three years. our goal wasn't to shut down the government. our goal here was to bring fair tons the american people under obama care. i don't believe that we should default on our debt. it's not good for our country. but after 55 years of spending more than what you bring in, something ought to be addressed. this year, we'll have more revenue than any year in the history of our country and yet still have a nearly $700 billion deficit. i think the american people expect if we're going raise the amount of money we can borrow, we ought to do something about our spending problem in the lack of economic growth in our country. >> is this shutdown -- this showdown about the affordable care act? is it about the budget deficit? why is the government shut down right now? saying the 11th hour, when the >> we sent four billes to the united states senate. four different positions trying to soften our position to get the senate interested in keeping

the government open and bringing fairness to the american people under obama care. it's as simple as that. >> last question. >> mr. speaker, we've seen a lot of reports about how there's sniping -- personality sniping between you and the democratic leader and the president. >> no, no. that's just not true. that's just -- listen. that's just not true. now look most of you have dealt with me for sometime. i might have sniped once or twice. but i have good relationships with all of my colleagues across the aisle. >> about getting the government it's me and maintaining these relationships is critically important. all i'm asking for is let sit down like the american people would expect us and talk to one another about getting the government open and dealing with the significant problems we face. >> what about a grand bargain? >> you said you care more about your job than your country?

>> congratulations, guys. >> next, house democrats talking to reporters about efforts they're taking to end the government shutdown. one scenario mentioned at this briefing was the option of a discharge petition that would bring the senate-passed funding bill to the house bill for a vote if the majority of members were to sign it. this is 20 minutes. >> good afternoon, everyone. thanks for being here. i'm honored to be here with some of the leaders in the congress who have great experience and the appropriations process as well as in the authorization process. chairman dingle called to our attention recently an i'm honored to be here with some opportunity for us to keep the government open. it's an attempt for us in a bipartisan way to open up government. and with that, i'm pleased to

yield very distinguished member of the house -- chairman for the natural resources committee, chairman of the education and labor committee, now ranking member on that committee, george -- government open.miller. >> thank you very much, speaker pelosi. we're on the fourth day of the government shutdown. the question in everybody's mind is how does this shutdown end. we believe the best course of action would be for the republican leadership to bring up the senate-passed funding resolution today and for an up or down vote to reopen the entire government right away. it's very unfortunate that the majority of the house has not been allowed to freely cast the vote to reopen the government. but one thing that's becoming clearer is that as the shutdown drags on, the growing number of the republican members of congress want the opportunity to work with democrats to end this crises.

we've seen this in press reports and i heard it in my private conversation with republican colleagues. we're offering the republican friends and the american people a way forward. we're initiating this afternoon a discharge petition under the rules of the house that will allow the majority of the house to freely express their will on whether or not to reopen the government to a clean funding resolution. if a majority member signed this petition, house members can take up an up or down vote to reopen the government as early as october 14. it is time to return the majority rule to the house of representatives and to get the federal government back to work on behalf of the american people, again, make no mistake, the first choice would be not to have to wait until october 14 or even one more day, but to have the republican leadership to have the senate-passed funding bill and immediately allow an up or down vote on it. we believe the senate funding bill would pass in the house and the government would be reopen right away. but if that doesn't happen, we have another way forward.

it is time to allow a true majority in the house to allow the vote, to open up the government, the entire government right away. thank you. >> mr. dingle. >> ladies and gentlemen, we're about to rescue the republicans who have gotten themselves in the unhappy position of the dog that caught the car. they shut the nation down, they're costing the country money, they're jeopardizing our international reputation. they're costing us wasted money. they're having us have employees of the government not being paid

and not working and we're going to have to then come forward and pay them. in addition to this, they're threatening the stock markets, they're causing huge amounts of difficulty in the economy potentially. and they're probably significantly increasing the national debt. and indeed they're disregarding the words of a number of their distinguished leaders like senator mccain and my dear friend senator dole and my dear friend from other -- my dear friends from other places who have pointed out, including mitt romney that this is not the way to do. we ought not hold obama care in that caught the car. thrall of the republican effort to shut down the government, to tie the whole mess together into an infernal battle that's hurting each and every one of us. having said this, my good friend george miller has announced that

we're going to be bringing forward a discharge petition on hr 1164. that's a good republican bill. congressman hensarling of texas. congressman blackburn of tennessee and huizenga of michigan. good, solid conservative republicans. we're trying to help the republicans get back to show some real sincerity. because as you note, they've been all over the lot. they've been talked about how they're doing this for one reason, and now for another. and they've left this country in the awkward position where every time they get to be angry about something, they go about their business like spoiled children to stop the government so that we will negotiate with them and give them something that spoiled children want and thinks they get that by blackmailing the country and by blackmailing the some real sincerity. congress, by blackmailing the

senate and the president. this is no way to do. so we're going to, as announced, help them by putting one of their bills on the floor which will speed things forward in terms of getting the country back going again and we will stop this radical republican shutdown of our government, something that the american citizens want and are insisting that we do. thank you. >> thank you to the dean of the house. great to be with my colleagues here. all of you know from the beginning we've had a simple message which is we want a vote in the people's house on a clean continuing resolution to keep the entire government open now. the president has indicated he would sign it as soon as he got it to his desk. if the speaker would allow us to have a vote on that bill, we could go upstairs on the next five minutes, vote on it, and

send it down to the president and he would sign it and the government would be opened up. the american people would be shocked to learn the lengths that the speaker and the government majority have gone to undermine the democratic process here in the house in order to keep the government shut down. we learned from the parliamentarians just two days ago that on october 1, the republican authority changed the standing rules in the house to keep the government shut down. the standing rules in the house say if you're in the situation you are in the house and the senate, in the situation back and forth, that any member of the house, any of my colleagues up here, any republican member, could bring up the clean senate passed resolution for a vote. that's what the standing rules of the house say. it's rule 22.4. they changed that rule in the

rules committee to say only eric senate and the president. cantor, the majority leader or his designee could call for that vote. so not only has the speaker of the house denied us the opportunity of the democratic process. but they deliberately rigged the rules in an abusive way to keep the government shutdown. so today, we're calling on using the standing rules of the house, the real rules of the house, to get us a vote by october 14. we want the vote today. make no mistake. we want it right now. but this will start the clock ticking so by november 14, unless they abuse the rules of unless they try to abuse the rules of the housethat we will have a ,clean up or down vote to keep the government open. we should do it now, but our republican colleagues that keep telling us, many of them, want to keep the government open, now have the opportunity to join us in signing this discharge petition seven days from now so

that we can put an end to this ridiculousness, open the government, open it today, let's start the process and get it done. now i'm very pleased to yield to our terrific colleague on the ms.ropriations committee. nita lowey. >> enough is enough. it's a national disgrace that the government of the greatest and strongest nation of the world should be shut down and held hostage to the demands of a small faction of the most radical tea party republicans led by senator ted cruz. it's time to end the reckless and dangerous republican government shutdown. at this point, the majority can't even tell us what they're trying to accomplish. one republican made what some may call a gaffe a moment of unintentional honesty -- asked why the majority would not end the shutdown, he said, we're not going to be disrespected. we have to get something out of this. and i don't even know what that is, end quote. well, democrats know exactly

what we must accomplish and it could not be simpler. we want to end the republican shutdown immediately, put 800,000 americans back to work. restore all of the services american families depend on. that is why the discharge petition is so important. if speaker boehner will not allow a vote on a clean senate passed bill to open the government, we should force one. i call on all republicans to stand up to the tea party and end this reckless political game. join us to reopen the government. put americans back to work. get on with the business americans sent us here to accomplish. >> i thank my colleagues for leadership on this issue. remember, this is the bill that was introduced by the republican conference. this is their bill that we're asking them to support. i -- i -- i just want to act knowledge that we have been

joined by congressman crowley who's left now to vote, who's been such a great member of our leadership and our distinguished whip, mr. hoyer. any question s? >> yes. >> considering how the debt ceiling deadline is october 17, that's coming up. any negotiations work to start now would include that as well. is there a chance that the government shutdown lasts all the way to the deadline. >> i hope and pray it does not. it's harmful to our country. and as dreadful as the -- as the full faith and credit of the united states of america being discredited, this is parting our fiscal -- our fiscal is hurting our credit rating as well. so the sooner we can shut this down, the better, and perhaps the leverage of having something go forth to the 14th is something that will encourage the republicans to go earlier. because defaulting on our full

faith in credit is horrible, but this is terrible. and the combination is really catastrophic. i'm going to yield to my colleagues who have been working on this. none of us has voted -- maybe steny -- >> you voted. >> i voted. >> but -- >> you talk first about the discharge petition. talking about the october 14 bill. is this a non -- the rule is you might consider the petitions on the second and fourth mondays of the month? that's a federal holiday? hope we're going to be here. and we -- that drags that out. i realize youle might have legislative options. but that's not the question of -- that's not the question of >>that's not the question of the legislative options. we chose to do this, everything worked right. we can get it up.

we can get republican co-sponsors. the leadership can provide an alternative, the leadership can take it up when we return from columbus day. the point is, the clock is ticking. the more this gets combined with the issues around the debt limit, the more complicated all of this -- all of this becomes. and i think the point is, we ought to open up the government now. the government should be opened when we're -- when we're discussing the debt limit, when the leaderships of the house, the senate, the president, are discussing the debt limit. i think to have the government close down at the same time you do that you're sending a horrible, horrible message to the world markets about the united states. and you heard all of the discussion how important we are to the markets, how we're the reserve currency and the role that we play to have the government shutdown while you're discussing the debt limit, the republicans are asking for double trouble for the american economy and they're going to end upstanding on the throats of the american job opportunities if they do that. yes. >> the procedure. are you circumstance latering -- are youure. circulating a petition? >> this resolution, we will make

an order to discharge the petition, to discharge the -- the language of the langeford bill, but we will have a complete substitute for that language that will be a clean continuing resolution to open up the government. >> how do we get this -- >> we get the -- >> we round them up. >> you -- >> how long do you think it will take? >> we have -- in seven days, they'll be eligible to sign the -- to sign the discharge petition and we expect that we can get them all in one day. yes. >> with this.debt limit deadline , the republicans want to broaden the discussion issues. is that going anywhere? . >> we'll want to broaden out the discussion to include budget issues, including, even, possibly the sequester. is that going anywhere? >> well, i think -- i think all you're seeing through for the moment is the signal that they understand that the idea of holding the government hostage and people's jobs hostage and the service hostage to their vision of repealing the

affordable care act has now failed and they're trying to shift to some other topic. but on the budget, let me have our budget -- the senior person, chris van holland. >> look. we have said from the very beginning, as you know, that we're prepared to sit down with the republicans to talk about all of the issues. we've been trying to do that since last march when the house passed a budget and the senate passed a budget, we've been blocked three times on votes here in the house asking the speaker to name budget negotiators so they can have that negotiation between the house and the senate. and the senate, senator reid and senator murray have tried 18 times to try to appoint budget conferees. here in the house asking the they were blocked by senator lee and cruz and some of the tea party senators in the senate. they blocked that conversation to date. we welcome that conversation. the president has a budget with a big jobs package in it. he's got a balanced approach to reducing the long-term deficit. the republican budget takes the country in the entirely wrong direction. but we always wanted to have that negotiation. they stayed away from the

negotiating table for months and months in order to very deliberately push this government and the country up against the wall because they thought they could get through that process but they could not get through the negotiation in compromise. so we stand ready to do it. i would say the irony here, of course, is the underlying bill we're amending as part of this process, the underlying republican bill as mr. dingle said, has called the government shutdown prevention act. now they worked hard to say the government did shut down. we are going to use that vehicle. that is the vehicle to make sure that we have a chance to open government again. we could do it in the next five minutes if the speaker would allow a vote. but this is an opportunity for republicans who claim that they want to vote on a clean cr to keep the government open to actually put their signature where the statements are.

and we're going to yield to -- we're going to yield to -- >> as the whip, i'm going to -- >> we yield to ours. >> a couple more minutes. because the bottom line is, the government wants the government open. they don't want to shut it down. the majority leaders given and we're going to yield to -- himself the authority to do exactly that, he ought to exercise it. this is just another legislative opportunity for us to press that point. it seems ahe senate. tad unrealistic. the error is a holiday in the way. then you have to go to the senate and a potential filibuster problem there. you're looking at -- are you throwing your hands up and saying we're not going to get there any sooner? or is this more of what we've seen a lot of -- press conferences and not real opportunities to do much? >> i agree with you. i agree with all of it. we should stop the press conferences, stop the rhetoric. but a bill on the floor.

let's vote. see who wants to open up the government. see who wants to shut down the government. this is a previous question vote. you now have -- we have 178 noes on this. we have 217, i think, is what we need. they're one over what they need at this point in time. if we have 217 vote, then the government. ability would shift to us and we put on a clean cr. you hear people saying i want to open the government. look at the 180 votes to open the government, the 219 votes right now voting to keep the government shut down. you're right. don't listen to the words, watch the actions. yes, sir. >> is there any republican with a chart petition like this simply guaranteeing the primary challenge? >> i think that's part of the problem here. i think republicans are terrified about tea party

opponents. i think you're right. you asked me a question that i don't know the answer to. no, but the fear factor is high. i have a lot of republicans coming to me. i have a very good relationship with most of the republican side of the aisle, some of the more put on a clean cr. conservative members as well. and they tell me that we have 17 republicans that said they would vote for a clean cr. hate that term. a bill top government. open up governmentbut they would vote ,for that. the speculation from looking at the numbers from 184 who have voted on that side of the proposition they haven't voted that way. both sides say procedural votes you should stick with your

party. but hundreds of thousands of people who want to work are not allowed to work. and the people's government is shut down. >> mr. hoyer? >> as we said earlier, no one wants to see this come to fruition. we're hoping the republicans come to their senses that can get a vote on the floor and get government open right away. so far i've seen two republicans put their votes where their mouths are. peter king and charlie dent. they have not yet here to for voted against their leadership to get what is known as a clean continuing resolution on the floor. that is what we want to have happen. this is a tool to demonstrate whether your signature and your vote is where your mouths are.

>> i pointed to him already. >> will democrats in the house support the bill to retroactively pay federal worker which is i understand the administration is working to pass? the administration is urging pass ing? >> i don't think the democrats are going to vote against it. not a republican vote against it. there are hundreds of thousands of people are worried about are they going to be able to pay their mortgage in november? are they going to be able to put food on the table? most of us do not have a deep reservoir of savings to sustain weeks of nonpayment. we're now seeing the specter of going into a full week of a government shutdown unless, of course, our republican not a republican vote against colleagues put on the floor, which they could do today or tomorrow. a bill that would open up the government of the united states of america.

thank you all very much. president obama made a stop at the local sandwich shop in washington, d.c. and he talked "washingtonp next journal." live at nine eastern, the house cables and for legislative business to work on a bill that would allow for richer rack to pay for federal employees who are furloughed as a result of the government shutdown. >> i have been asked periodically when were you most afraid during your government service? which they could do today or mys the entirety of bush 43 generateistration from 20, 2001 -- january 20, 2009.

9/11, and when asked what was the scariest moment -- i think people are always expecting me to say 9/11. in reality for me it wasn't the scariest moment. there were more than one. it came in september and october when it genuinely --eared and bubbly was true and probably was true that the global financial system was on the verge of a collapse comparable to or worse than what was experienced during the great depression. of ours weekend part one conversation with former white house chief of staff, josh colton sunday night at 8:00. "washington journal" -

then a look at the impact of the government shut down. " washington journal" is next. ♪ host: good morning. it is saturday, october 5, 2013. the federal government shutdown has hit day five. no breakthrough appears to be in sight, congress is meeting today for a rare saturday session. the house will convene at 9 a.m. while the senate will meet at new. at the white house, president obama was slated to leave today or did those travel plans were canceled late thursday as the administration focuses on the budget stalemate. we will take you through the latest on do