and the latest development out of syria. then a conversation with presidential historian. he talks about president obama's relationship with congress. ♪ host: good morning, after a rare saturday session both the house and senate are out today. lawmakers will not return until tomorrow. it has the government shutdown and tuesday six, it is sunday, october 6 in an american commando has carried out raids october 6.and can -- american commandos have carried out raids. secretary of state john kerry will lead the u.s. delegation. and on the government shutdown

story, defense secretary chuck hagel calling back for lotus civilian workers this week as the name-calling and finger- pointing continues. we are asking you who is responsible. if you blame the democrats, give -- call if you say the republicans are at fault -- for those that blame the president -- we will get an update on what happened over the weekend. you can also share your comments on our facebook page, facebook.com/cspan. -- our e-ge rest is mail address is journal@c- span.org. secretary hagel asking civilian employees to return to their jobs following some action over the weekend by the house and senate. the pentagon--

announcing it will ordered all of its civilian employees back to work this week -- that's new development over the weekend. he iss live on the phone,

following all of this for "the hill," newspaper. the house continued to push for a clean cr. obviously this has not gotten anywhere among house republicans or senate republicans. after a couple of weeks of bluster we are still back where we were, which is that democrats and president obama are insisting on a clean cr with none of the extra provisions that the republicans want to pile on. the republicans are still saying they have a dog in this fight, they control the house, this is something they want to do and they are not going to jam a clean cr down the throat. for everything that has happened in the past couple of weeks, no one is to blame. we enter day six of the shutdown without any and to it insight. (202) 737-0001

host: what did nancy pelosi propose? they try to do a discharge petition this week and their latest gambit is if john boehner brings a clean cr to the we won't do any procedural shenanigans. passed -- johnd boehner had said he is worried about something called a motion to instruct, a procedural move that the minority in the house has access to creative -- access to. he was worried about that and pelosi said, we won't do any of that. as the minority will not have access to that legislative tool. we will take it off the table if you bring up that clean cr and boehner said they are still insisting on the obamacare

language. today will be the sunday shows, a lot of back and forth between democrats and republicans in tomorrow, what can we expect? especially in light of the decision of secretary hagel to callback a vast majority of those for lotus civilian employees -- of those for load -- of those fourloughed civilian employees. think anybody is going to go after haggle for that. we are in wait-and-see mode. for most of the employees, that will not go into effect until the shutdown ends. they have some relief that they will be paid for this for low -- furlough. he shutdown.h

who is going to blame first? people seem to be playing this thing day by day. the strategy on both sides seems to be involving. host: there is a sentence in your story i want you to elaborate on because lawmakers are heading back to their respective states for the 36 hours, one young boy at the airport that said "stop acting like children." can you explain? to get outbody wants of the capital, nobody wants to see voting on a saturday morning. there were two very quick votes and as they were rushing out of the capital and down the house steps, there was a family there from alabama and there was a young boy, an 11-year-old boy, who had a sign over his head that said "stop acting like children."

stoppinglawmakers were and taking pictures and making a joke out of it. it is serious stuff. i think a lot of the people across the country are getting fed up with it. that kind of exemplifies all that. you saw the latest poll where conditional approval is at 10%. people are fed up. congress understands they are fed up. i'm sure they're going to hear an earful. lillis, his work is online at thehill.com. interested, nbc news has a look at what to expect in the days ahead. as many as 2000 for load workers will be out of a job -- 2000 furloughed workers will be out of a job.

a major defense contractor says it will be forced to furlough as many as 4000 workers. there is more football expected. one between the air force and navy did go on as scheduled. there's a question as to whether some of these games will continue into the fall. if you owe the government, it is still do. if you're having mass trouble, you will probably not get anyone on the iris to help you out. october 16 and 17th are the big deadlines, the day in which the federal government exhaust its ability to borrow money unless congress raises the limits it can borrow. negotiations increasingly likely to be tied up and talks related to the shutdown. we want to hear from you on who you think is to blame for all of this. first is randy -- actually we will go to joseph, from

scranton, pennsylvania, blaming the republicans. caller: i was a republican and then i was a democrat and today i am an independent. i think these are grounds for treason. the affordable care act was voted by the supreme court, which is actually a lot. they are debating the law. while there is a treason investigation going on, the president has every right to utilize executive powers. that being said, i was not completely in favor of the care act when it came to finding people. it is law, we have to deal with it, and a house divided against itself cannot stand. host: thank you for the call. next is ronald joining us from middletown pennsylvania. you blame the president, why? because the laws thought

-- the law is flawed. it was pushed through without people's consent. he is cutting things out without exemptions, anybody it is finallyhim coming to the point where we do not stop it, it becomes prominent. host: thank you for the call. if you log onto our facebook page we are asking a separate question on how the shutdown is impacting you. so for the majority in this scientific survey are saying not

at all, followed by a lot, and a smaller portion saying a little. yesterday dueling news conferences will begin with the republican leaders and house of representatives. [video clip] looking at is an administration, a president that seems to be unwilling to sit down and talk. we have a majority leader in the senate that seems am more link -- that seems unwilling to sit down and work out our differences. if you think about it it does not make any sense. if the president has an ax to grind with the opposing party, why would he want to put the american people in the middle of that and force the pain on them? up until today we had 57 supported aat bipartisan bill to relieve the pain of this shutdown.

you have to ask yourself with the unanimous vote we suffer federal employees, if it is so important to ease the pain for them what about the vets? feel it iss not important to feel the pain is eased on them? what about the sick children that need access to clinical trials? is it not important to ease the pain of the shutdown for them? federal just the employees that the democratic minority thinks is important? host: the house republican leader recent -- republican leader speaking to reporters yesterday. gallup polls the saying that economic consumer confidence has plummeted. you can log on to the gallup polling site. new concerns about the potential of the government defaulting on its lows. that deadline, according to the treasury, is october 17. the washington post has taken a

look at the impact the shutdown has had based on region. isber one on the list colorado springs, colorado, home of the u.s. air force academy, followed by virginia beach, an area heavy with defense honolulu, hawaii is third. the d.c. region is fourth. is sixth., utah san diego is number seven. a gusto, georgia and south carolina number eight. rounding out the list to sound -- is san antonio followed by charleston, south carolina. next is randy joining us from walkerton, indiana. your limited republicans? -- you are limited republicans? -- you are blaming the republicans? caller: absolutely. i cannot believe they are turning around and blaming this on the democrats. i have been calling my congressman and telling them, why don't you just give them a

clean cr until february? at least you will not hurt all of the retailers for the whole christmas season. this is crazy. they are going to pay these guys anyway. get back in there and start talking. forget obamacare. you with it. they lost these elections. they're trying to hold the government hostage. we have a black president, sorry guys. he got elected twice, deal with it. and come back and do your jobs. [indiscernible] we joined -- we go to kelly in river falls. president.ming the caller: i blame the entire

united states government. when we asked them not to do the bailout that the banks they ignored us and do it anyway. when we ask for a public option or a single-payer health care, which most people supported, that was not even discussed on the floor. i blame the entire united states government. citizens ought to shut down the country. let's have a general strike. i bet you those people in congress would get off their butts and get the stuff going in a heartbeat. we have the power to show the government who is really running this country. we are the ones who make this thing role. i would like to add one other thing. when i listen to these programs and some of these folks: -- these folks call in, i am not part of any organized efforts but i have questions to. it seems to me c-span, rather than -- might want to give them

a program and but the mayor their stuff so we can make up our own minds. let them air their own stuff so we can make up our own minds. thank you for the call and the suggestion. from robert on our twitter page -- "the associated press" reporting on u.s. forces, an operation that took place over the weekend led by the fbi, the cia, and the navy seals. this is front page of "the new york times" above the fold --

chris is joining us from new york. hugh say the democrats are to blame, why? -- you say the democrats are to blame, why? caller: no, i see the republicans.

you cannot tie anything up to this budget. lawyers isanding the the affordable care act and there are so many people that need it. i have no benefits. i have a pre-existing condition, i am a diabetic. all these writers are talking about that -- the affordable care act is no good for the country. this is what they said about medicaid, you know what? asked this question to everybody , how many of us are willing to give up social security, medicare, medicaid. everybody loves it. made be 99.9% of people love it. it will not give it up. andnot going give up affordable care act. see how much people love it.

host: bob is joining us. republicans are to blame? echo -- why is that? caller: i say they are both to blame. you have to look at what has happened over the last 20 or 30 years and take the jet is -- take the jet engine for -- the jet engine for instance. is of a sudden what happens general electric is making jet engines. we let them get to the point where they have so much influence over congress that they do not have to pay any taxes. a little favor here in favor there, all of a sudden they are not paying taxes. we have them come in here and we are buying the jet engines in china.

all of these things, we have given all of our revenue away. we are fighting each other now because there is no money left. we need to go back now and try to straighten this out. you have to follow the money trail. politicians, no one person or group. human nature gets involved and you have to have a businessman running the site. we will just be now fighting over what is left. the have the irs fighting the middle class, trying to squeeze money out of their to run the state government and there's no money left.

now we have to go back and rebuild. a group of people have some knowledge about this and people like ross perot and donald trump are willing to say we have to hold our growth -- we have to hold our ground and have to rebuild the situation. we really have a serious situation. this is from monti, who sent in this tweet -- the cover story of "cq weekly" has this piece --

the house, controlled by the republicans. politico has the story, the headline -- each side trying to blame the other for keeping the government shutdown. even the house passed legislation that would pay federal workers, prompting an angry reaction from harry reid and more than one dozen lawmakers appearing on the sunday shows keeping their rhetorical pace about midsized is responsible for this. -- which side is responsible for this. nancy pelosi california -- [video clip] >> are giving republicans a nether repot that another opportunity to end their shutdown. the opportunity the speaker has been asking for. we have accepted their number, as is -- as unpleasant as it is to do.

we have agreed not to instruct. we have voted to pay the federal employees for not working. why don't we pay them for working by opening government? we can have it open over this weekend, certainly in full force by monday. our employees want to work. the american people want government to be open. it is in everyone's interest that the speaker accepts our offer of nearly 200 votes. all they need is a couple dozen republican votes. we have substantively accepted what they are offering. let's open government, it give us a vote. nancy pelosi.

this is from otis -- you can send us your comments. our phone lines for the blame game. rob is joining us from new jersey, you're blaming the president, why? is it good enough for the american people but not for congress? that is all i am asking. will go to gary next in chicago, whose blaming the democrats. mary -- it's b arry.

wars andese two major we spent billions, even trillions of dollars on these -- two wars and all the american people want is justice for themselves. on republicans keep obstructing the democrats from getting these things done. there's plenty of work in the united states and they don't want to get this done. they keep telling lies that this country is broken but the president has plenty of resources. this country is not broke, we are not broken all. thank you. next is teresa blaming the

government -- leaving the republicans from california. caller: i live right with a shipyard.l i blame the republicans because they are only putting these piecemeal bills up every day when the polling numbers or the voices of their constituents are complaining. they want to open the national -- itute of health because we need to pay this section of ,he military is not getting it the commissary is closed, there is not anything for a service man or woman to do on the base in all of these things are run by civilian employees. i have watched this day in and day out.

the republicans are in control of the house. if they will not bring up this clean cr we are never going to get out of this mess. it is scary. on our facebook page, a couple of comments. one of our viewers saying -- next is madeleine joining us from new jersey. naming the president for the shutdown, why is that? he is not a leader. has been very devices since he came in. he started campaigning immediately and demonized the republicans.

how do you expect the republicans to react to that the echo i think he has been a private -- been a terrible president. respect andally proclaim in my president as a man of the people. i am very disappointed in him. [indiscernible] can is up next for maryland, blaming the democrats. caller: they are not listening to the voice of the people and not getting the whole truth. the republicans have passed a couple of crs in the interest of the people. i'm calling my legislators, whether they are the same party or some times in the same state and voicing my opinion.

people are understanding what is in the obamacare law. this is supposed to be the land of the free. this is not a free nation as well as the fact that it is not a voluntary program. it is a mandatory program. this is not freedom. to, you don't see someone come out here and say you have to go buy a ford it is not just like that. you are being told you have to buy it whether you want it or not. that is not what this country is about. if people would take the time to let legislators know how they feel and get to the bottom of it , the bottom line is -- i live in a world where you have to

deal respect to give it -- deal respect to get it. this president has not even respect to the american people. host: thank you for the call. a couple of headlines courtesy of "the museum." this is from "the arizona republic -- the debt ceiling crisis deadline is just over a week away. haveovernment will only 100 $30 billion cash on hand. on any given day the government spends $60 billion per day. approaching $17 trillion into the nation's that. nation's debt.

in "the sunday free press" -- call is glenn joining us from saint augustine, florida. -- you'reming a blaming the republicans for the shutdown. i'm not blaming the republicans total in part. i'm blaming the whole congress and the president for a simple reason. his obamacare shutdown my and shot -- shutdown my health insurance. a big problem. when you have insurance and all of a sudden you get knocked out, then you have to go out on the markets and tried to find insurance again. in the meantime obama wants to fine you for not having insurance and i do not think that is right. congress and the democrats all need to be in peach.

-- be impeached. from bob in iowa -- this story from richmond virginia begins this way -- "even leaving before the texas senator rose to speak. ken cuccinelli urged congress to work with the democrats. senator cruise has become a face of the gop and the conservative attorney generals that are trying to distance themselves from congressional republicans

and reflects how damaging can to -- how damaging ken cuccinelli realizes this could be for his campaign. inre's one more debate virginia, to debates in the new jersey governor's race. anytime@c- online span.org. susan is joining us from richmond hills texas. you're blaming the republicans for the shutdown? caller: absolutely. the lady that just called, obamacare does not going to affect until january so it does not go -- it has nothing to do with her insurance. how are these employees, how are they supposed to pay their bills ? the fantasy is over.

we have been under in insurance debacle since he turned it over to private insurance so they could decide who could have insurance and if they did have insurance who would get covered? they are making a laughing stock of the world and weakening our whole government. it is just terrible what they are doing. it just makes me sick, what they are doing. during the weekly address, or republicans focused on the shutdown as we entered days six today. [video clip] >> president obama has threatened to veto a series of house bills that would fund our veterans programs and military reserve programs, as well as the

national institutes of health and the d.c. city government. he has also threatened to veto a bill that would keep open our war memorials, our national parks, and museums. when republicans asked senate democrats to join with us and pass these bills, they simply said no. the white house recently claimed that somehow they were winning and that it doesn't really matter how long the shutdown lasts. apparently they think the government shutdown is good politics and they are in no hurry to break this. it has become disturbingly clear that the obama shutdown is no longer about health care or spending or ideology. it is about politics, plain and simple. the democrats have calculated that by prolonging the shutdown and maximizing the pain they can. republicansfor the -- they can fool the republicans.

it is a very cynical game of the democrats have decided to play it. all republicans can do is continue to promote commonsense solutions that would and the shutdown and allow us to move forward. friends across the aisle will eventually get tired of playing politics. hopefully they will remember that neither house nor congress can set the national agenda all by itself. the texas senator delivering the comments to the president. we are also hearing from you. william from twin lakes, michigan saying it federal employees are going to be paid anyway, what is the point he echo there is this, -- the question we are asking, who is to blame for the shutdown. us from newing york.

good morning. caller: they had several months to go to contrary. both of them had a budget. the republicans refused. senator ted cruz, he blocked it every time harry reid trotted up the attached this government shutdown on the affordable care act. it had nothing to do with that. it should not have. they wanted tonight people -- to deny people health care. now all of a sudden they are hypocrites. compromise.ing to the president don't want to compromise. it is totally ridiculous. they're doing this piecemeal of trying to bring back -- bring that the whole government. it was shut down entirely.

they are a bunch of hypocrites, those republicans. the story both in "the washington post" and online -- and is joining us from tennessee. you say democrats are responsible, why is that? caller: i never realized how cold and callous the democratic party was.

they asked harry read the other day to fund the nih. his answer was, why should i do that when i have thousands of employees unemployed? the nih is very important. yesterday i watched c-span all day. the house sent over numerous bills and the only one the was a funding of the employees after they go back to work. telling the ministers and the chaplains that they cannot that is an infringement on the constitution. we have freedom of religion. that is the reason this country was founded. host: a photograph of the

president and this piece -- this is from inside "the washington post." the president talked about the shutdown and what needs to happen next. [video clip] >> there's only one way out of this reckless and damaging shutdown, pass a budget that funds our government with no partisan strings attached. the senate has already done this and there are enough republicans and democratic votes in the house of representatives willing to do the same. and the shutdown immediately.

unfortunately the far right of the republican party will not give -- will not let speaker boehner give that bill in yes or no vote. stop this farce, and the shutdown now. he reckoned people do not get to hold -- they do not get a hold our economy hostage over a law. childo not get to kick a out of education. i will not pay a ransom in exchange for reopening the government and i certainly will not pay a ransom in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. reckless as a government shutdown is, and economic shutdown that comes with default would be dramatically worse. always abide their party on ways to grow this economy, create new jobs, and get our fiscal house in order for the long haul.

but not under the shadow of these threats to our economy. my message is simple. passed the budget, and this government shutdown. from our twitter page -- tomorrow is the return of the u.s. supreme court. mass is taking place here in washington dc. -- cover story that is from "the washington post close to quote magazine. sandy is joining us from ohio, blaming the president for all of this. caller: i am blaming the people. government, of the

people, by the people, and for the people. we are allowing this to go down and we are sitting around pointing our fingers. that is so wrong. these people are acting like a bunch of babies, a bunch of spoiled kids. i think we need to suspend their pay, we need to suspend their pay until they get this worked out. marty has this on our twitter page -- i want to draw your attention to this editorial from the new york times -- he that is this morning from

inside the editorial section of "the new york times." russes joining us from -- russ is joining us from connecticut. you are blaming the republicans. caller: yes i do. i see a way out of this impasse. it is going to take some moderate republicans in the house with some guts.

what i would like to see -- the way out of the impasse is is -- is if enough republicans break away from the party, maybe join the democratic party to get this past, the ultimate goal is to get this together and form their own new party. a third party. democrats isee the that where the republicans are breaking away a month they will not endorse a candidate in the next election and allow these breakaway republicans forming a third party to take on the republicans by themselves. get out ofway to this impasse and get things moving forward. be -- the idea of a third party cannot be worse than what we have now.

it may be a way to get things going again and it might turn out to be a lot better. so many people say we need a third party. host: thank you for the call. this from jodi, who makes this point on our twitter page -- you can also share your comments on our facebook page. the other fustian we are asking is what impact the shutdown is having on you. coming up in just a moment, our guests will put the week's events in perspective. as he said earlier, about one dozen house and senate them .ratz you can listen to all of them on c-span radio, which is heard nationwide.

good morning. on today's talk shows, the topics include the government shutdown, the debt ceiling, and the economy. beginning at noon eastern with nbc's meet the press. jack lew,ts include who is appearing on most of the shows today. also republican senator rand paul of kentucky and assistant majority leader, senator dick durbin of illinois. at 1 p.m. eastern is "this week," with secretary jack lew and john boehner. also mick mulvaney of south carolina and new york democratic senator chuck schumer paid up at 2 p.m. it is "fox news sunday,". cnn's state of the union follows at 3 p.m..

secretary jack lew and senator ted cruz of texas. also steve king and donna edwards. at four eastern it's faced the nation from cbs. bob schieffer welcomes secretary jack lew. also is really prime minister benjamin -- also israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. of the show begin at noon eastern with nbc's meet the week, 1:00 is abc's this at 2:00, fox news sunday. at 3 p.m. estate of the union. at 4 p.m. it is state of the union on cbs. you can download our free app for your smart phone or listen online.

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radio and c-span.org. public affairs events from washington directly to you, putting you in the room at congressional hearings, white house events, briefings and conferences, and offering complete gavel-to-gavel coverage of the u.s. house. all as a public service of private industry. we are created by the cable tv industry 34 years ago and funded by your local cable or satellite provider. and now, you can watch us in hd. washington journal" continues. thanks to both of you for being with us. where is this all heading? guest: we cannot be sure. it reminds if the stories at the beginning of the civil war when both sides are absolutely certain it is going to be a very short and decisive battle.

people were actually writing down and it was a party atmosphere. followed was grueling years of four. i think there has been a lot of misinterpretation on one side or the other. not look like anybody is feeling particularly vulnerable at the moment. hand, we have heard boehneron from speaker that the deadline over the debt limit is one where he does not want to reach that end is not want to see a u.s. default. the house has passed legislation, making it impossible for the u.s. to default and i think we may see a little bit more attention to that from the house, reminding the senate that if they can pass , the first payment would be

it torvice in fail of raise the debt limit. that would be impossible for the u.s. to default. it seems like a responsible position. it might put pressure on thatrats did host: deadline is next week. could this shutdown continue for the next 10 days? i am not happy, about that at all. the war analogy is a good one. that is what has happened here. ted cruz launched this with this pseudo-filibuster without having much of a strategy in mind. the obama administration seems to have launched obamacare ,ithout much of the strategies underestimating the backlash

against it. both of them are proceeding ahead. boehnert speaker john who is now the man in a middle -- a man in the middle. they're mostly democratic votes. he's pressured by his caucus not to anything without a minority of republican votes or his speakership would be in jeopardy. i was delighted when he said this is not want to go over the break of that default. default.t i know him to be a responsible leader, a man who came out of the business community and recognize the catastrophic nature of a debt default. this is just unthinkable, to take us into default.

housef the members of the still haven't gotten that through their heads. i think he is going to do the right thing as far as the deadline goes. the question is what could this lead to? may be some real reform as far that.es and the general what is going to happen, nobody really knows. one of the unusual things about the shutout as opposed to previous ones -- shutdown as , it hasto previous ones never been the case that the president has flatly refused to negotiate with the other party. he said there is nothing to discuss, i won't talk to you. anything that has obama's

name attached to it is going to get a backlash from various republicans out there. it seems to me the only way out of this is for both sides to lose something. both sides have to give on something. it hasas been talk to certainly been floating around forington that in exchange the sequester caps on spending, which democrats would like, there might be some entitlement reform, which republicans would like. that kind of a deal might be president backs down from his current posture. at least the republicans are saying we are ready. have wandered into this posture. at least they are now saying they're willing to talk. that meeting was a bizarre

little kabuki theater. he invited people to the white .ouse there's nothing to negotiate and for an hour the president sat with leaders of congress and said there's nothing to negotiate. two different sides presented in this outlook section in "the washington post" this morning. is now beingay it implemented, it is a flawed law. why is this the centerpiece of the debate? the law of the land only takes you so far. the bush cuts were him off the land. don't ask don't tell was a law of the land. the fact that something is law paidnot mean it is sacred

up through the democratic process we can repeal and change loss. it became this effort to defund in my judgment, it became an issue because some republicans made it so. i think the better strategy would have been to pick out certain aspects of the law as it is being rolled out. the individual mandate, the president has unilaterally granted a one-year waiver for the employer mandate. it only makes sense to ask for the individuals to be given the same reprieve for a year and that is the kind of reforms that republicans take to the people. -- the notion that congress and numbers of the executive would be exempted from obamacare is highly unpopular with the grassroots. if republicans made that

their signature issue and said that is where they planting the flag, i think they would have had a lot more success and i think they would have had a lot more popular support. a looker region by region on opening week for the health exchanges, clearly a lot of issues with the website. people are still that people are still signing up guest:. -- signing up. guest: the white house believes once obamacare gets rolling -- i heard one of your caller's morning say that obamacare is going to give the government warns list searches of your home? i lost myself. it is kind of tragic in a way that people are so uninformed about it. so many things happened when medicare got started. i am old enough to remember.

rollout isbout the that there is so much confusion. i just read a poll that more people respond favorably if you are collect obamacare. is and ae know what it large percentage of those out the response will be more favorable. i agree with them. you are making a couple of points about what is fair or not. i think most democrats wanted a simple system, just expand medicare to cover everybody. we have a much lower number of aople saying it was

nonstarter even for obama. for awere votes conservative plan created by the heritage foundation. claimadopted it for thenow ob'o it. but obama is convinced that the republicans will love to claim it once it's working. host: the senate and the craddick -- the senate democratic leader calling the house speaker "a coward." a piece from brad knickerbocker goes this way -- with no end in sight for the government shutdown, the artisan animosity has gotten unusually that are and personal even for washington. guest: i agree.

i think the president deserves some of the blame for this. i think talk radio deserves some of the blame for this. the town has become so there are and vulgar. were you have members of the administration describing the other party as people with bombs strapped to their chests or notorists or we will negotiate with people holding a gun to our heads. tucson, in t song -- in when the president give that beautiful speech about we need to raise the level of discourse? his administration is doing the exact opposite. and on the conservative side, talk radio hosts doing very similar kinds of things with extremely vitriolic rhetoric and i think the country is losing something very important. host: who do you blame on talk radio? been: michael savage, i've

misfortunate to tune into from time to time. he is hysterical. and not a pretty picture. were others. hasthing i will say -- he been other places saying, well, the people on the right call obama a muslim or the people on the right sake obama -- the people on the right sake obama obama is not born here. therefore anything that is said about anyone on the right is fair. callingmments about republicans terrorist -- that's coming from the very top. we want to take you back

to what minsky prevails newt gingrich had to say to then president bill clinton. but first, speaker boehner had this to say. [video clip] the was at the white house other night and listened to the president's only some 20 times what he was not going to negotiate. listened to the majority leader of the united states senate say he was not going to talk until we surrendered. than this morning i get the wall street journal out and they say we do not care how long this lasts because we are winning. this is not some damn game! the american people do not want their government shutdown and neither do i. all we are asking for is to sit down and have a negotiation and bring fairness to the people under obamacare. it is as easy as that. in the weekly standard

fred barnes has this piece -- " boehner in charge, how the hell speaker rallied his rest of troops." republican line, good morning. good morning. my take on this whole situation is the president has not signed a budget since he became president, and is continuing funding resolution allows shenanigans like this to take place. that is where i blame this government shutdown on. having said that, let me add this. as somebody whose insurance companies have dropped him, i agree with senator ted cruz. washe letter they said it because of the regulations and the affordable health care act. there were a lot of good things

in the affordable health care act. but there are horrible things denialts are incomplete about, will not address, will not admit. that is causing a lot of anger among the american people. guest: i don't and know what those horrible things are. it's very unfortunate. these things are not communicated. if the aca better were communicated more widely and effectively early on. the question about the president signing a budget, we have had budgets every year. i have been dismayed that republicans have not been more specific in their budgets about dealing with entitlements, tax reform, the deficit. and national healthcare. both sides agree we have too many uncovered people in the country. but republicans did not really engage on a debate before the mention of obamacare.

and even republicans have complained about this. result, we have this haphazard way of governing where we put the program into operation and fix the bugs afterward. comment thanking you for calling out savage talk radio. guest: can i address some of the problems we have seen with obamacare? the rise of employers making people part-time -- guest: [indiscernible] guest: it has increased. guest: that is one of the problems obamacare is trying to fix. ofst: we were told thousands times premiums would go down by $2500 per family. premiums are going up, right? many companies are forcing

employees to drop spouses from coverage. many companies are reluctant to hire because of the requirements of obamacare. we have seen the technical aspect of this law is not ready when the exchanges open up, there was mass chaos. we have many doctors saying they are going to retire early because of obamacare. the list is very long with the problems with this law. i think, actually, in contrast seehe way some republicans this, this is the greatest possibility for the democratic hardy -- the democratic party we've seen in 25 years. or is no way barack obama can say this is the republicans' fault or george bush's fault. if it turns out to be as unpopular as i suspect it will be, it will be a huge political liability for the democratic party. host: this is mona charen. is availablelumn

at town hall.com. websites are preparing the ground for the next phase of this debate. they are saying, ok, there are problems with the imitation of obamacare, which is why we really need to move toward single-payer, which is what they wanted in the first place. topoint is republicans have be ready for that with their own truly market oriented consumer oriented reform. insurance has been run in this country was never based on the consumer. it was always based on employers and insurance companies and third parties. it was terribly inefficient and -- andy expensive area terribly expensive. obamacare has doubled down on everything that was bad about our existing health care system. view is republicans -- and some have introduced legislation to do this -- should give the

text adoption not to employers, but to individuals and let's individual shop for their own coverage. it would give businesses more .reedom a lot more choice insurers would be freed from the obligation to provide bronze, silver, gold, what the government has to -- says they have to provide. host: question about equal time -- is the gop fighting so hard to prevent millions of people from accessing private insurance? that is not what the fight is about. thatight is the belief throw so much sand into the gears of the american economy -- and some republicans unwisely in my judgment thought they could prevent that by showdown andund

they thought they could cause the other party to fault. i think that was tactically mistake. i don't think you can do that that way. reforms to happen. people say we have never changed and entitlement, but that's not true. we reformed welfare in the 1990's. that was one of the most successful pieces of legislation in my lifetime. catastrophic health insurance for the elderly. there have been other instances where laws to change, even entitlements. you have to have the right constellation of forces. it's helpful having one of your own party in the white house who is not going to veto the legislation -- although bill clinton did pass welfare reform. at that time the republicans controlled both houses. host: clarence page. this goes back to world

war ii. employers offered insurance as an incentive. you mentioned medicare. medicare has changed as well. it has been changed to be improved. it was known all along it would be necessary with obamacare. basically-payer -- medicare is a single-payer program that preserves the private inner size -- enterprise system. but somehow obamacare gets demonized as some intrusion of government into private lives. the bottom line is, as you mentioned, this is the debate now. what kind of health care system do we want? the public is now engaged. the more that they

are exposed to it, the more they're going to like it. it, they'reput using the sugar of the subsidies. the subsidies are something new. guest: i would agree with that unfortunate statement. peopleout two percent of who apply for these are going to be eligible for subsidies and the subsidies are going to go to the insurance companies, not to the individual. the flaws with the republican plan are held control, among other things. i imagine there will be a response from fox news. there you go again, giving money out to people who don't deserve it. guest: if everyone got a $5,000

tax adoption to buy health insurance, companies would be competing to provide plans for $5,000 and you would have genuine competition for the consumer dollar. the cost controls though. this is the thing. this is what people do when the insurance bumps up against the government subsidy. host: this is our sunday roundtable with mona charen, a former aide to former first lady nancy reagan, a former editorial assistant with the national reserve machine and a syndicated columnist. do i have that right? author of a number of books howuding "useful idiots: liberals got it wrong in the cold war and still blame america first." , a pulitzer page prize commentator and the author of a number of books including "

showing my colors: impolite essays on race and identity." i have an upcoming book about the response to liberals. guest: you can interview me. [laughter] i have a show called "need to k now." almost every week there is a new and. host: do you have a pop quest -- podcast? guest: i am getting used to living in the century. and: from cheryl silbert mike mcintyre -- the headline is months in the planning -- a loose coalition of conservative activists led by the former he attorney general edwin meese

gathered in the capital to bluster added to. their push to repeal mr. obama's health-care law was going nowhere. they desperately needed a new plan. , held onession morning in a location of the members is keeping secret, kimmitt little notice from it -- blueprint to defunding obamacare." the story indicates this was long in the planning. certainly the pressure of for opening up the exchanges put pressure on the other side. if we do not stop this now, the train is going to leave the station. i think that has a lot to do with the timing. guest: i agree with that. host: we could hear later this week, maybe this month the aesident's choices -- this is

discussion. janet yellen is the major contender to replace ben bernanke. guest: that is the traditional choice. i think the big question is why there was such -- host: summers. guest: summers, thank you. why that loon was bloated. thatresident was -- why loon was floated. the president was very favorable to him. it was very controversial. tends to set fires unintentionally just with his use of language. but yellen has so many fans out there now. i think obama would look bad if

he did not go with her now. host: she is the first female head chairman. guest: so much for the idea that the fed should be above politics. no longer. host: larry from kaiser, west virginia. mona charen. yes, i would like to start from the beginning. when you vote on something without knowing what is in it, that is 100% wrong. wasndly, the supreme court making legislation. when they said it was attacks, they should send it back because taxes should originate in the congress, not the senate. i think all laws should apply to everyone or no one. i went to work in 1958 for the first time and i went to the

union to get benefits. and the unions, one of the main reasons unions used to get benefits to attract good people or get people to do jobs other people would not do. you would take a job maybe cleaning sewer pipes because they give you better health benefits. if everyone gets benefits from the government, there will be no reason to join a union or no one would ever want to do these jobs that no one wants to do. it is in the union's worst interest about the government give everybody health care. if you look at when i went to went to1958, people unions to get benefits. there are people in unions then than there are today. host: thank you for your point. clarence page, your thoughts? under company insurance

for 20 years now, and i have rarely seen coverage go down in recent years and costs go up. that is why there has been pressure to do something about getting more people covered in reducing the rising cost. price forabout the our economy, etc.. obamacare is the current scapegoat. fine. i have yet to see republicans come up with a new alternative. it's the rising cost that is the crux of the problem. host: and his point about unions? guest: sure, i'm always in favor of unions. health care is the least of their problems in this country. have now, yeah, unions offered health care as a feature

. and there has been backlash against obamacare and some unions as a result of that. this is the kind of issue that gets worked out in negotiations. unions have a much bigger challenge facing them. host: what do you think about rush limbaugh and other right wing talk show hosts? said theesident obama rollout of obamacare was working. great. he said it was working fine. said everybody's costs were going to be reduced by $2500 a year. and what we have seen is the opposite. in many states, premiums are rising by that much. someone has to hold him to account for the fact that what he predicted is the absolute opposite of what is happening. the short term or the

long term? law was said when this passed. it has been passed and signed. the unions were there to point out this block. the unions are one of the democratic party's strongest supporters. you are going to destroy the 40-hour week. i confess i have not listened to rush limbaugh in a very long time. i do not know what tone he has been taking lately. i will blame liberal talk radio as well. msnbc. bill o'reilly was on the chris matthews show the other day. guest: i saw the show. context,ere was the

joking on comedy central. host: the new book though. guest: they were talking about "killing lincoln," "killing kennedy," and " killing o'reilly" just got blurted out. guest: can you imagine what the result would have been -- guest: [indiscernible] you're absolutely right about the civility declining, clinton-y since the gingrich battles of the 1990's. and we did not have talked radio and twitter, etc., etc., megaphones like we've got now. it has only gotten worse. only go away by public shaming. guest: i'm absolutely for that.

and all these websites have anonymous comments. just put their names on it and i think that would be a big some of the vulgarity that has become part of our national discourse. host: we have a name on the tweet just sent to us. thank you for joining us. think weess doesn't need a budget, do they think we need a congress? maybe we outsource budget to each state they left." myra, good morning. caller: hi, i was just listening to ms. charon, and she was saying the government is changed and she named a few things. change was --gest

[indiscernible] as a black woman, that hurts very deep. , civility, not only in the right wing media. have seen it deteriorate because this black man is president. host: thank you for that comment. guest: i know that is out there, that perception. there is a perception that there is more weakness toward this president than others, he does not get the level of respect other presidents have received. i really don't think that is the case. i really don't. i was a supporter of president my reservations. i remember he was routinely compared to hitler. he was called stupid. he was a.

on abuse that was heaped george w. bush was quite beyond anything we have seen. i really think it is a matter of where you sit and where your sensitivities are. just so you know, from my point of view as someone who supported the previous president, there was a lot out there that was deeply offensive. guest: i think you're absolutely right, first of all. i have heard a lot of people complaining about the joker pictures of obama. are -- i remember there was joker depictions of george w. bush. yes, this has always been in politics. we have the first african- american president.

forgotten joe wilson's july moment. congress -- you go back in history, another congressman from south carolina got up and the with the cane -- a northern cane representative there -- i am blanking on the names. this was after the civil war. the divisions in our country now are severe. even when we talk about obamacare, we have over half the spending medicaid out of protest with this white house. a lot of people out there who need health care are not getting it as a result of it. how things are perceived out there in the countryside, it's

very hard for me to argue against people who say this president isn't getting special abuse because he's african- american. i think that is certainly part of it. i agree with you it is not a , but it is out there. kathleen parker, her piece in the washington post this morning. sayingental mistake, that playing politics with the greatest generation was ridiculous. guest: the memorials were closed off. the link morrill, etc. people need to see this government shutdown. a visual story. you can't show closed head start. guest: sure you could. guest: all the processing of

stacks and stacks of applications. the clerks aren't there. as part of the story. jefferson lincoln or out there, that is a story. we need to end the shutdown. and not take a piecemeal approach. to close offt more the open-air memorials then it would be to leave it alone. host: governing by blackmail. i suppose the -- suppose president obama would hold military funding for gun control. guest: both sides have to give. there has to be negotiation for both sides to make concessions. the president has said he is not negotiating. until that time comes when he

begins worst rating, giving a taking, we are going to have a shutdown. republicans have been holding the line, insisting on having another swipe at obamacare. to republicans are trying put this on the regrets, as though democrats have an the funding obamacare. the public polls, i think, is showing it. of the viewers saying maybe you'd be a good idea to outsource congress to china or india. good morning, charles. caller: good morning, steve. two observations. for the people who argue this is a law that has already passed him i would like to point out almost a century ago we passed a law for prohibition. it almost destroyed the country before he had enough common .ense to turn around and repeal

the same thing is going to happen with obamacare. is, asond observation far as defaulting on our debt, i hope we do, because if nothing else, it will make foreign countries such as china aware that we can't pay our bills and maybe it might even force congress to live within a budget we can afford, for god's sake. everybody knows we are spending more money than we have. what are they going to break up and use some common sense? there is none in congress. host: ok, thank you, charles. you mentioned asia. the president was opposed to be at that conference. loans from asia account for half of the gross domestic product in terms of the economy. guest: right. the caller made good comments. the debt.

with thishting discretionary spending in discussions about balancing budgets. we are ignoring the 52% of federal spending goes to entitlements. if we don't deal with that problem, we are not going to be solvent in the very near future. entitlements are -- guest: medicare medicaid -- medicare, medicaid, and social security. you.: thank the most popular programs -- guest: they may be popular, but they are bankrupting us. the fact of the matter is -- guest: the fact of the matter is, we need to talk about the the services as money is coming for. that is why we are spending this money. let's be honest. china, they are the ones who are

paying for our spending to a large degree. the extent of people understand globalism and how it works, we are a global society. we tried putting up trade barriers. go up,at walmart will and people do not want that either. guest: we have the same debate every single year. and as soon as republicans say we need to get a handle on entitlements spending, democrats demagoguery. that is why we are at an impasse. guest: where did that come from? a republican president. i'm just saying. you can even talk about reform without being demagogue by democrats. those stairs are the best tactic for getting democrats elected. guest: do you -- republicans are not about to cut medicare or

social security. guest: they did before in the paul ryan budget. guest: yeah, but the paul ryan budget was the same cuts in the obama proposal. that is demagoguery. it's a third rail for both sides. we can't dispense with this government sending because the public wants it. host: jamie at the table, clarence page and mona charen. useful toit would be go back to 1995. i want to share with you two moments. this is december 10, house speaker newt gingrich on the government shutdown back then. [video clip] this is the president's two-

page has conference before going off to play golf. , which a real bill extends the debt ceiling. this is a real bill, which keeps the united states government open. one of the major problems we have in america, we are present it who does not mind playing. he doesn't mind talking. he seems to hate working. we have been locked in rooms hour after hour, a reconciliation process, which is moving us to a balanced budget, which is doing the right thing for america. this is hard. and is not just teeing off having a nice 19th hole with your friends. decisions that are going to change the lives of our children by balancing the budget, or dissing taxes, lowering interest rates, and creating a better america.

and they are tough. they take real work and people with the courage to be real leaders. ah, memories. the great thing when the rhetoric was cleared away, we got a balanced budget in the clinton years. and we got rid of that in the bush years with the tax cuts geared to the wealthy. guest: there we go again. cuts for the wealthy. no, actually, they were geared to everyone and when the democrats took over congress, they did nothing to repeal the vasttax cuts for the majority of americans. they liked those. the democrats did like those, because indeed bush did the taxes for everyone who pay taxes. that moniker, tax cuts for the rich, was always falls. guest: i don't think so. guest: maybe so, but it's true. host: here is what bill clinton had to say.

[video clip] >> i veto the spending bill sent to me by congress last night because america can never accept under pressure what it would not accept in free and open debate. i strongly believe there budget plan is bad for america. i believe it will undermine opportunity, make it harder for families to do the work they have to do, weaken can our obligations to our parents and our children, and make our country more divided. so, i will continue to fight for the right kind of balance budget. remember, the republicans are following a very explicit strategy, announced last april by speaker gingrich. to use the threat of government shutdown to force america to accept their cuts in medicare and medicaid, to accept their cuts in education and technology and the environment. yesterday they certainly legislation that said we will only keep the government going,

and we will only let it pay for this if and only if we accept their cuts in medicare, their cuts in education, their cuts in the environment. host: mona charen. guest: president clinton did eventually cave and sign a balanced budget which he said many times could not be done. first he said it would take 12 years and six years in five years. he finally found one. they thought this was evidence that the government in washington was get a handle -- getting a handle on this out-of- control spending. absolute spending continued to rise but as a percentage of gdp it was falling and that was good news for market and the economy boomed. it was a very, very successful negotiation. despite the fact that it looks like what is happening now, its

endpoint was very different. we are so far from having a balanced touch it now that, if you know, it is frightening. the smallest increase in interest rates could bankrupt me. what would you expect this week? make predictions, but if i'm right, everybody remember. i think it will be more the same but behind those doors, i think discussions are happening. new developments need to be done. see saye we will president issued this week. host: mona charen? guest: i hope there is a bargain. i hope there is worst rating, because i do not think the government shutdown is a good thing for either side. i do not think the issue of

obamacare goes away in the sense that it is the biggest issue in american political life, and it will be for the perceivable future. it was notal matter, worth trying to defund it now. republicans do not have the votes. the republicans will and should continue to point out the flaws in reforms that are necessary, including a full repeal should a republican be elected in 2016. guest: they will definitely point out all the flaws as time goes on here. betcha.> you better -- host: thank you both. guest: thank you, steve. when we return, we will talk about seriocomic iran, and the u.s., and later on historian doug griffith will join us to agenda.the second term

we are back in just a moment. >> i have been asked were yoully -- when most afraid during your government service, which my -- mying government service in government spend the in entirety of bush 43's administration from 2001 to 2009. including 9/11. asked what was the scariest moment, i think people are to say 9/11,ed me

but it wasn't. the scariest moments came in september and october of 2000 it eight -- 2008 when genuinely appeared and probably was true that the global financial system was on the verge of collapse comparable to or worse than what was experienced during the great depression. click this weekend, part one of our conversation with former white house chief of staff josh "q&a."on c-span andhis weekend on booktv american history tv, we traveled to montana's largest city, billings, montana as we look at the literary life of what is happening in billings, montana, including the battle at little they good morning, known to many as custer's (. here is a preview.

>> folks, it is quiet here now. it is useful. there's tranquility here. -- it is peaceful. 137 years ago on the back of that ridge, it was far from quiet. in fact it was apocalyptic chaos, gunfire smoke, yelling, screaming, cursing. "more ammo! more ammo!" warriors getting closer and closer and closer, desperately trying to destroy the soldier command. bighorn,e at little custer's final battle. how did this happen? why did it happen? folks, it's really a culminating in march nearly 400 years of cultural animosity, cultural friction, cultural

disdain between euro americans and native americans, in the fight was always over the same thing. land. land. who would occupy it? how would it be used? who would be allowed to traverse across it? the guys you see when euro americans come out west, they see huge expanses of territory and they see grass and water and timber and minerals in the ground, particularly that yellow metal that makes a white man go crazy. >> our travel to billings, montana. part of booktv. be sure to ruin us all weekend. -- the short to watch as all weekend. -- be sure to watch is all weekend.

we welcome stewart patrick. the headline from the washington consolidating its chemical arsenal compliance. can we trust syria and how do we verify it? guest: this is good. syria is consolidating these weapons. there has been a major risk that some of these could fall into the hands of either rebel forces diverted by the syrian government. there are now 40 weapons inspectors. there are going to be 100 quite soon. in most important thing the international community has to do is make sure that those are not diverted by the government. the syrians have undoubtedly

seen what happens to leaders who have given up weapons of mass destruction -- muammar gaddafi -- and they are not actually alive anymore. u.s. officials are cautiously optimistic, but how weaponsow that these are being dismantled and ultimately destroyed? who was checking all this? from the security council resolution, the organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons is dispatched and may have a threefold mission. they are to identify the sites declared by the syrian government. there are two quarantine sites. then they are supposed to begin destroying as quickly as possible the materials fabricated. what is crazy is the timetable here is something that has never been done before. i think it can be done.

it is compressed where it would normally be, maybe a five-year effort. inspection team will clearly be getting access to intelligence services and a sense of what we think is out there. reasonably confident, again, but it's always possible that something has been diverted to different facilities we don't know about. there is a eight question going forward. will assad play cat and mouse much like saddam hussein did in the 1990 route? -- in the 1990's? among our guest for books -- weak links. i want to ask you about another story from the washington post as secretary of state kerry and defense secretary hagel said the u.s. would not be fooled by iran.

force is motivating iran run's economy which has been struggling under un's sanctions. yet there seems to be an opening. guest: as you recall, when he was elected one of president -- obama's first moves was to say to outlier states, if you on clench your an open handl find ready to shake it. for the first four years of the obama administration, they got a mailed fist instead. but now there is an opening. election of ahe relatively moderate iranian president, not favored by the conservatives. he has signaled for the first time that iran is really serious about putting constraints on its nuclear weapons program in

return for a relaxation of these sanctions, which as you have suggested, have been quite iraniang to the economy. host: we heard from prime minister benjamin netanyahu was quite critical. we will hear from him in a moment. guest: mr. nine yahoo! was playing bad cop to the u.s.'s good cop. he was singing do not be taken for a ride. the iranians have changed nothing. secretary kerry was the first senior u.s. official to respond, basically saying, look, we are not going to be taken for a ride. it is going to be a trust, but verify situation. i think the israelis were a presidentrtled that obama's human speech had taken table --ange of the off the table and had acknowledged iran's right to peaceful nuclear energy.

the israelis believe, not without a patient, that that could easily be a back door to nuclear weapons. here is the israeli prime minister from the u.n. in new york. [video clip] >> the only difference between them is this. wolf'sob was a wolf in clothing. sheep'ss a wolf in clothing. a wolf who thinks he can pull the wool over the eyes of the international community. but like everybody else , i wish we could believerouha -- believe rouhani's words. on iran's actions. the extraordinary contradiction

between his words and iran's actions is so startling. rouhani stood at this podium last week and praised uranian democracy. uranian democracy, he said. that the regime he represents bycutes political dissidents the hundreds and jails them by the thousands. "the humanke of tragedy in syria." directly participates in assad's murder and massacre men,ns of thousands of women, and children in syria. and that regime is propping up a nerious regime --a syria regime that just used chemical weapons against its own people. in an interview with nbc

news, he went even further. he called the ayatollah khomeini, these virtual leader of iran -- the spiritual leader, ali ron a cult. guest: there is no question that -- thetollah coming a ayatollah will call the shots. however his initial reaction to rouhani's more conciliatory ani is suggests that rouh acting with some support of the senior leadership in iran. this has to be tested. the way to test is the negotiations. i agree with secretary kerry who said it would be diplomatic malpractice not to at least see how this plays out. that will play out in meetings later on this month in october.

there will be multilateral meetings. the united states and its allies, russia and china, as well as the iranians. will have to take place between the uranian's and the united states and they will try to agree on a final , which will involve constraints on the nuclear program in iran on the one hand with monitoring and a relaxation of sanctions. then the debate will be -- if they get that far, the debate much control over this allegedly peaceful nuclear program will be enough for the israelis. host: our guest is stewart patrick from the united nations. he worked at the state department during the should ministration. a former teacher at nyu. democrat's line with stewart patrick.

good morning. your geography is very good. just outside buffalo. my question is -- my question is this. my question is this. , many people feel that the council of foreign sealions is like a train for right-wing american foreign policy. maybe we can get the answer that question with my question. as you know, the united states, israel, many other nations also possess chemical weapons, including our chemical weapons are already armed and bombs and missiles ready to launch. if it is such a terrible weapon, what is the position of the council on foreign relations on the united states, israel, other nations that currently possess chemical weapons also giving

them up? host: thank you. i will get a response. guest: thank you, herb. the council on foreign relations is a broader church than the one you described. we do not take institutional positions. our membership includes democrats, republicans, independents. i myself, if you check out my writing on my website, and i do have a blog called the international, tends to be international in scope. annaishirely polly about these things. the united states is a party to the typical weapons convention as is russia, as are all the major embers of the un security council. the united states is in the dismantling its chemical weapons arsenal. you're right. it does remain large.

it has been making steady progress. it has forsworn use of those weapons. chemicalomes to weapons, we have consistency in u.s. policy. this is a reason why the obama administration, which has been taking something of a hands-off syria, was so outraged, because this was breaking a chemical weapons taboo that had stood for more than 25 years since saddam hussein used those weapons or similar weapons on his kurdish population. a thing in this case the united states is acting to defend their national norms. host: let me follow up with this tweet from our viewers. what benchmark or will it run use -- what is worker is the west wing to use to see if it run is serious? start with what

the united states would like to get out. the formal benchmarks, we decide during these negotiations. ideally the united states would like a cessation of all iranian enrichment activities, and preferably if possible, enriched uranium being taken out of the country and placed under .nternational supervision and. could be imported that probably is not going to happen. is, will probably occur iran will be permitted to raise a certain level. international inspectors will inspectte blanche to any time, anywhere in iranian facilities where enrichment is occurring.

enrichment is only occurring below the 20% threshold which is well below the 80% or 90% threshold eventually used for making nuclear weapons. experts debate whether or not going for nuclear weapons or they are seeking breakout capability. there's a question of what level they can in rich that in that level will have to be monitored. , thenn makes progress there will be a gradual ratcheting down of international sanctions. it there are some might the israelis in particular you would like to see it run take all the steps first -- get rid of all of that stuff, ship it out of the country, before any relaxation occurs. my personal opinion is that is unrealistic and the uranian and uranian's are not

going to agree to that. host: our guest at the table is stewart patrick from the council on foreign relations. go ahead, ken. caller: good morning, gentlemen. i want to make to points. one in regard to our friend from to americath regard and the united states and israel and giving up our weapons, etc. there was a very good anecdotal argument that. we arm our police. we do not harm the criminals. the iranians are the paymasters of has bloc, hamas, any other number of terrorist groups. as a consequence, it is a matter of protecting the world. manyu remember wikileaks, governments wanted the israelis or the americans to take out the

iranian nuclear facilities. we found that in their diplomatic correspondent. the second thing is, if you have book, he at one point was the chief nuclear negotiator for a run. his book that and while he was negotiating and patronizing the west, they opened up their main nuclear weapons system, and he certainly --ried and the fact that glory that they pulled the wool over the eyes of the west. what i am trying to say in so many words is you have to distrust and verify and get everything out of this country that possibly could be nuclear material, because otherwise we run the risk of having these extralegal terrorist groups get andld of fissile material

walking into california, l.a., and blowing up something. he ran would say "not our problem." host: ok. two very interesting points. let me start with the first one. you made a distinction -- and i think you are right, in practice this has been between countries we consider responsible, and those we consider irresponsible. international treaties don't always make that distinction. seen the attitude towards israel's undeclared nuclear arsenal, where we have been much less concerned with the dramatic proliferation of a nuclear arsenal in israel because we believe israel can be

trusted and that those weapons will be used for self-defense. we've also seen it with respect to india, where we have made a civilian nuclear deal with india . we did that because india is a fellow democracy. there needs to be a major degree of skepticism about what the iranians are planning. in terms of your scenario that iran could give these to hezbollah, it is possible. possible, that there would be a transfer from a state to a nonstate actor. taking an be existential threat to its own survival if they would move in that direction.

be likely that they could be traced back to hezbollah, and iran could be on the receiving end of a nuclear attack itself. israel is not a signatory to the chemical weapons ban. guest: that is true. .srael is an outlier one of the goals of u.s. foreign-policy has been and presumably will continue to be to create an environment within the middle east in which israel feel secure and which it is no longer being threatened on a regular basis with countries that would like to remove it from the map, which has been the preceding irani and rhetoric.

-- iranian rhetoric. for right now, this is a double standard that the u.s. has been willing to accept. the israelisby that were strategic conditions to change in the environment that they would begin to consider to move towards a nuclear free zone in the middle east would be welcome. that future is a long time in coming. how would you respond to this tweet? what is unclear to me,

disarming israel would lead to a disarming of the iranians. secondly, in terms of regional aggressiveness and export of , those threats are not coming from the state of israel. the state of israel, its policies with respect to palestinians, one can believe that internal political dynamics of israel are not what one would want them to be, but it is hard to make the case that they have been a source of instability in that region. we heard from the israeli prime minister, that the nukes are for self-defense. guest: indeed. it may simply sound like words and a continuing double standard

to others in the region. it is important to bring pakistan and india into the nonproliferation treaty, as well as israel. regiononditions in the are such that israeli security andbe guaranteed, ultimately israel can only rely on itself to defend itself, it is unrealistic to take that position. host: a caller on our republican line. amazing you are saying that israel does not carry out terrorist attacks. tell that to the 30-year-old scientist who was blown up. in 2007, the cia put up the national intelligence estimate iran stoppedt

pursuing nuclear weapons in 2003. about a very reputable journalist who put out a story a couple years ago that israel was sending up a false flags against the u.s., posing as the cia and carrying out terrorist attacks in iran? i see iran as a country that wants nothing more than to defend itself. watched other countries in the region get attacked. they're trying to defend themselves, after we attacked ourselves on 9/11. the fort me start with statement, after we attacked ourselves on 9/11.

that is a totally unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. that bears no credence whatsoever. iran wanting to defend itself, iran has .upported hezbollah and also, terrorist activities in countries around the world. beenstrategists have toniving with the alba group try to increase its influence in the western hemisphere. has not been a benign force, nor has it been a benign force to its own inhabitants,

being an incredible violator of human rights and civil liberties of its own people. said,he president has which is not pleased a lot of neoconservatives -- has not pleased a lot of , is that he iss not pursuing a policy of regime change. you havees a time when to negotiate with tyrants, and that is what he's attempting to do. it's ambiguous as to whether or not the iranians, who have a very large supply of oil, ambiguous as to whether or not they are pursuing a nuclear weapons program or not. the question is, why do they need such a big civil nuclear facility if they have such great reserves of oil that they can produce at a far cheaper price? caller on our republican

line. caller: i was wondering why iran needs all that nuclear enrichment. i can't think of one civilian nuclear power plant. it is powered by plutonium, not uranium. i wonder why they claim they need for civilian purposes. where are the power plants? ,uest: i would agree with you with your reasoning there. there is also work on a new plutonium reactor, and that is becauserisome in iran that can provide a second route to a nuclear weapon. is not galloping

theyds a nuclear weapon the abilityo have to go in that direction. the timeframe for the israelis and for the u.s. is a bit different. in the united states, if the current trajectory continues, it would be estimated that iran could have a nuclear weapon within a year. the israeli timeframe is more along the lines of six months. there needs to be some movement. moreme ways, netanyahu's bellicose statement may be helpful in concentrating the minds of those in tehran to think, we had better get a deal sooner rather than later. host: if you are just tuning in, our guest is stewart patrick.

peter is joining us from virginia. patrick, my question is what country will pay for the thenstruction -- destruction of chemical weapons in syria? guest: it will be paid for by the united nations. the u.s. will assume a share of that. some of this may come out of assessment. others would presumably come out of a special fund. --t: this is an e-mail

my understanding is that since the signature of the 1997cal weapons treaty in is that there has not been any growth in chemical weapons supplies. the stocks were enormous. up byf it has been held congressional foot dragging, others by technical details of destroying the chemical weapons. the unitedsimply be states destroying them and having others take their word for it. you have to be international monitors and inspectors. there is also been perceived foot dragging on the part of the russian government as well.

both are making progress. it has simply been slightly slower than anticipated. caller is from maryland, on the democratic line. caller: thank you, c-span. a question and a comment. the previous caller was intimating that the israelis and massage -- massad were carrying out assassinations of these irani and scientists -- iranian scientists. i have a different take on it. was saying that we don't need a nuclear bomb. ianldn't it be just the iran secret service cleaning up its own mess? the scientists were road guys -- rogue guys, or they knew too

much. that's a possibility. it's difficult for me to speculate at this point. right now i would put my money on an operation conducted by a foreign intelligence service. it is possible that as iran seeks to begin cleaning up its act, there will be internal casualties. host: some historical perspective from this other tweet from jack, who says -- guest: it's a fascinating question. there's a wonderful book called "paris 1919." it looks at what happened at the paris peace conference.

there is another one called, "a peace to end all peace." at thoseically looking agreements which created a number of states artificially created some of the instability we continue to see in the middle east. a we can talk about syria for second, it is intensifying the sectarianism that has always been prevalent within the middle east. what you're seeing there is shia iran arming and aloe white sect -- an alouite sect. at the same time, you are seeing the gulf countries but also turkey arming sunni groups, often different types of sunni , the turkish groups

funding the more moderate sunnis. the saudis tending to fund the more jihadist elements. breakdown sectarian in the middle east, and you see that increasing in iraq. this has implications for the u.s.-iranian relationship. iran does not want to see a truly sectarian breakdown in the middle east. it is worried about the taliban coming back, al qaeda coming back. about theied resurgence of al qaeda not only in syria, but in its neighbor, iraq. this is an area of potential agreements in the united states. that may play into some of these negotiations.

the nuclear issue is paramount. one or two more questions. on our republican line, from houston, debbie. the people of iran and islam makes have a way of keeping history in their present i. we put the shah of iran in. that is where it started. we were the first country to drop a nuclear bomb. we used agent orange in vietnam. to look at iran and say, no nuclear, we should be saying that but we need to lead by keeping our power. degree, u.s.e as,cy could be criticized do as we say, not as we did.

to iran, you are right. there has been an incredible legacy of mistrust dating at least since 1953, when the federal intelligence agency help andack the overthrow subsequent installation. after the shah was deposed during the iranian revolution, we have had three and a half decades of almost complete estrangement from a great civilization and very dynamic people. and the united states -- if one took a long-term vision, if one got out of the ideological baggage of the past, you could see a workable partnership along the lines of the u.s. relationship with china.

,he question for the iranians are they willing to make a rapprochement? willing to accept that sort of thing too? the price for that in this case will be iran controlling its enrichment of nuclear materials so there is not a fear that it will get nuclear weapons. not only with respect to the , but what would be the effects in the region with the saudi's and egyptians. it is a big nuclear cascade that could conceivably occur if iran is not dissuaded from going this direction. host: we will conclude on that

note. stewart patrick of the council on foreign relations. when we come back, how the president is doing in his second term and the perspective of author and historian and professor douglas brinkley. shows the sunday morning focusing on day six of this government shutdown. nancy callow is keeping track of the guests and topics on the sunday morning topics that can be heard later today. today's sunday network talk shows, the focus of discussion will be the government shutdown, the debt ceiling and the economy. you can hear rebroadcasts of all of the programs on c-span radio beginning at noon eastern with "meet the press." lew.'s guests include jack

republican senator rand paul of kentucky and assistant majority leader senator urban of illinois as well. at 1:00 p.m., "this week those lew. -- week" with jack at 2:00 p.m., "fox news sunday" with peter king of new york and tom graves of georgia. "state of the union" follows at 3:00, candy crowley speaking with senator lou, ted cruz of texas, and steve king. also, donna edwards. at 4:00 p.m., "face the nation" from cbs. secretary lou ann john cornyn of texas -- and john cornyn of texas.

rebroadcasts of the shows begin at noon eastern with "meet the press." 1:00, "this week." 3:00 eastern, "state of the union." @4:00 eastern.on" listen to them all on c-span radio, across the country on xm channel 119.io download our free app for your smart phone or listen online at cspanradio.org. host: joining us from austin, texas is author and historian douglas brinkley. tried to count how many books you have written. what's the latest count? guest: i don't do counts, but i work hard on one at all times and right now i'm writing a book called "rightful heritage."

in thebout how fdr 1930's and 1940's really saved by combating soil erosion and planting one billion trees with the civilian conservation corps. host: let me pick up on roosevelt's second term, and some of the problems many people say he had. are there lessons, are there parallels to this president? fdr's second inaugural was the closest to what barack obama's second inaugural was. only presidential scholars study but they're both talking about how to press a progressive agenda forward. fdr was talking about class warfare, how do you help the middle class prosper.

barack obama did too. they were promoting civil rights. case, climatea's change. fdr was working to rebuild the lead -- land with agriculture. try to packis to the supreme court. that did not work. he wanted to add new protein deal justices. -- new dealeal justices. get stuff done, use executive power. i was just writing how the day fdr was getting beat up on the supreme court packing, and he

had the big crisis of his presidency, signed an executive order. has used ourma special forces into somalia, in libya. just letting the public know that the government may be shutdown, but it's not being held hostage. there's all these lessons to learn from the hubris of fdr. in the end, he outfoxed all his adversaries. isst: douglas brinkley joining us from texas. he is also a contributor to a number of publications, including "the new york times." he also writes for the "los angeles times" book review. i want to share a piece from the "christian science monitor" with you.

the piece points out that with no end in sight for the government shutdown, the partisan animosity has gotten unusually bitter and personal, even for washington. americans are angry as well. on that note, on the partisan nature of this, is it as bad as it is ever been? guest: no. the point of history is to remind us that our own times are not uniquely oppressive. i hear people saying, i can't believe how awful it is. prophets of doom and gloom here . our country has been through a lot worse. sacred battlefield sites for the civil war are now shutdown.

this is always going to have political feuds. we tend to over romanticized how marvelous it was between tip o'neill and ronald reagan or newt gingrich and bill clinton. sunday barack obama and congressman boehner will play well together, either a year from now or when they are both out of office. we want to over magnify and say things are worse now than ever. the tea party movement is unique and it is potent. some people say it is toxic. thatunique in the sense the shutdown has a different cast to it, but we've had 17 other government shutdowns since gerald ford. evenof our listeners can't remember what was shutdown or what it was about. these things tend to seem big at

the time. a decade from now, he won't look quite as big. obamacare is big. oft like social security fdr, medicare of lyndon johnson, obamacare is now the law of the land. it may be seen as one of the huge progressive achievements of the 21st-century when it is all said and done. 'sst: douglas brinkley subjects have included a number of former presidents. richard is joining us from missouri on our line for independents. good morning. a couple of days before this over,wn took the news obama wanted to send $50 million

to syria. syria -- $15n to million to syria. thank you for calling. weeks ago theof president was contemplating the use of military force, and his decision to put it before congress. now it is off the front pages. what looks big today gets forgotten in a few weeks. syria has been a long-term american conundrum. christopher, bill clinton's secretary of state, went 27 times to damascus to try to cut a deal over there and could not get a deal. it's a very tough environment to do business. callers have a natural

suspicion of, why do we get involved in a syrian civil war? we have an interest in it because they are right on the border with israel. you can't have a stockpile of chemical weapons right on the border of our most trusted ally, certainly in the region, anymore than if we had chemical weapons pointed at as in mexico of that degree. ande is a link between iran their desire to have a nuclear weapon. something had to be done in syria. president obama's handling of it was unusual. i don't know if the war college is going to study it as a case study in future years of how to do business, but he got a pretty good result out of it. if we can truly rid syria of chemical weapons and at least give the rebels a chance to eventually overthrow assad,

which is more and more unlikely as days go by, at least we did something and stood up for the issue of chemical weapons. it's not enough for some people, too much for others. the president got it right in syria. thinkdoes this president about history and his legacy at this moment? he absolutely thinks about history a lot. he reads presidential biography as a hobby. he's a voracious reader. he made his money in life as a writer himself. we have little historian's groups who have met with him. i know how much he admires abraham lincoln. in recent years an in largein eisenhower, part because of the korean war in 1953.

president obama sees himself as having to get us out of afghanistan and iraq. covertwer used activities to help in our foreign affairs and you see barack obama using seal teams and drones, something besides sending boots on the ground around the world. eisenhower had to work with our defense budget in the same way the president obama will have to continue with chuck hagel to make cuts. is sort of in eisenhower figure when it comes to foreign policy. in domestic policy, he is part of a progressive tradition -- john kennedy, lyndon johnson, bill clinton. firmly in the center, but wants to try to do the things that help the poor and middle class.

host: with reference to the front page story of the "new york times," the operations led by the navy seals, the fbi and cia involved in libya and somalia as the u.s. uses this operation to take down individual terrorists. right.that's it will be a hallmark of the obama presidency. i was at the george w. bush library in dallas. i would think the killing of osama bin laden is a high water ,ark of the obama presidency the most wanted man, the most heinous crime against america of 9/11. obama got him. historians will show that barack obama was vigilant in the world just as vigilant as

george w. bush, but had a different strategy of how to do it using drones and special ops instead of sending in the troops the way president did. the legacyalk about of franklin roosevelt. this is a tweet from a viewer. how will the president's environmental legacy read? one national park was created under the obama administration. it was a monument, and got upgraded to park status in california. there have been a number of executive orders signed by barack obama creating national monuments. one was for munro in virginia. .he san juan islands he created the first federal park in the state of delaware and harriet tubman -- at.

tubman's -- at harriet tubman's home where she lived. and compounds home in california, where chavez lived. it is less of a ledger of things he has done in that regard. thes trying to educate country about climate change and how environmental history is living in the age of climate. the president has book -- done bold things, at least rhetorically. just this year in the state of the union address and his second inaugural. his effort to deal with all of the issues related to global is very real.

you see him striving on something such as the keystone pipeline, but the fact that he has not signed it -- he spoke to georgetown university and made it very difficult to greenlight the keystone by making people prove it would have no environmental damage when any kind of construction project could have and would have some environmental damage. presidency onll the environment, one who sees educate.s to onould give him a "b" dealing with environmental issues. he is not a president who gets and "a." is a douglas brinkley graduate of georgetown ohio state, and has taught at a number of leading institutions around the country academy, the naval

hofstra university, and his former director of the stephen ambrose eisenhower center for american studies. rose is joining us from connecticut, independent line. i'm 70 years old and my grandfather use to talk to me about fdr. i'd been fascinated throughout the years. thomas dewey, the candidate that ran against fdr, called him a communist. doesn't that sound familiar? victory against hitler. he gave us social security, unemployment insurance. there was a great documentary on public tv a few weeks ago. fdr's grandson said that years after he passed away, the republicans and their corporate buddies still hated fdr.

host: rose, thanks for the call. obama much like president is catching so much disdain from the right, so did roosevelt. dr had the public on his side. he was quite a remarkable man. when you think that he has polio , ande's in a wheelchair yet we never have evidence of him being downbeat or said. -- sad. what he did in the new deal years alone, how our country was just burnt out and how he spent history understanding the need for water power, how to build the country and get our

agriculture sector back alive. institutions. it was a ccc camp and he turned it into shangri-la. the whole idea of wildlife protection and saving is born. need, theor people in wasle-class, elderly, sick intense because he had felt such physical deprivation in the later half of his life. then we get to fdr as commander in chief in world war ii, the great job they did of picking the right people, picking omar bradley and george patton and .ark clark and admiral leahy

there's really no president liked fdr. put third behind lincoln and washington. when it comes to knowing how to get things done, fdr is one. view,from your point of was it a mistake for him to seek a fourth term? why did he decide to do so? was reading evidence about how much he wanted to go back to hyde park on the hudson. his great love of his life was the river. anyone who spends time around the river knows why. beautiful.utely he thought he would go back and write mystery novels for fun and continue being a forrester and enjoy life in dutchess county. there was a great fear that if

he did not, the republicans would come in. he had become so popular. to strip them out of that post would have been a political mistake. -- him out of that post would have been a political mistake. fdr was a cartographer. he had maps everywhere. he had really understood the world situation like nobody had. he had built those friendships with world leaders that were so superb. where i get critical of franklin roosevelt is not his handling of things in 1944, but the fact that he did not inform his vice president, harry truman, about the manhattan project and other aspects of our strategic aims in the pacific and europe. it seems to me to be very shortsighted. it shows fdr as an egomaniac in a way, or someone him. oh, that he did not take the let his vice president

know what was going on. his lasting legacy is the united nations. put a loteller family of money to attract it to new york city. that is where we try to solve problems in the world, sometimes with success, sometimes not. the longis institutional shadow of franklin roosevelt and it is still running today. response to an earlier congress had to get past robert taft of ohio. linda is joining us on the democrats' line. caller: hi. we seem to have drifted off the topic of the obama presidency. to bring it back to the present

long time i have a when historical question to which i do not know the answer e historical questions which i do not know the answer. how normal is it for one party to try to undo the legislation of the previous party's administration? guest: it's an interesting question. a key one. ronald reagan's white house diaries. there was a passage he wrote when he was angry. i voted for franken roosevelt four times. i want to unravel the great society. a lot of what is going on right now is trying to dismantle things that lyndon johnson did, not let medicaid and medicare expand any further into obamacare.

i could go on and on. they're trying to roll back the great society. jimmy carter, nixon -- it was nixon who created the apa -- epa. the epa is something like 98% shutdown. the republican party does not like the epa. nixon did endangered species and clean air, water. the conservative movements want to roll back on growth from the 1960's and 1970's right now. what i find unique about what you are asking right now is that the republicans were trying to use the economy to trash the economy to allow our nation to not only lose status in the world, but lose billions of dollars by shutting down the

government to score political protestnd to show a against a law like the affordable health care act. that is rare. you would find that kind of behavior in the dark days before the civil war in the united states. usually people in washington want to get stuff done, so it is unusual when you are electing who feel their job is to be the monkeywrench gang a capitol hill. there is really the republicans and democrats i think are on the same page, and you just have a group with irreconcilable's with the tea party caucus. i think they will be won over in the coming weeks. everyday the shutdown goes on, more and more damage occurs.

let's hope they get this silliness finished this week or next week. regardless of where you come down on the political side of the fence, do you think voters in 2014 will remember what where going through now? voters don't like congress. they have a 10% favorability rating. you have a country where 90% of the american people agree on one thing, they can't stand congress. these guys have to for reelection every two years. you may be seeing a buildup of the throw the bums out movement. i travel the country far and wide. i was just speaking in idaho. i talked to democrats, independents. i find a lot more unity in the country. the unifying factor, people are sick of the media and is washington politicians. there will be a public backlash to all of this.

that's the only way the american people can show their frustration about what's going on in d.c. host: our next caller is on the republican line. i think there are several similarities between roosevelt and obama right now. i have been a registered republican for over 40 years. i will never vote for one again. we will go back with the world war ii, when roosevelt took over . our country was in a mess. we were almost positive we were going to have to go to war. people at that time did not want to. people don't even think of this. with the new deal, he set up social security. he had unemployment insurance.

he started doing things for the middle class. the republicans objected to everything he did. they called it social experiments. he had the g.i. bill. not even one republican voted for that. roosevelt made a comment that we were sending our men off to war, but when we were bringing them back, we needed to take care of them and we were not. in before heaft was even reelected. that took a lot of guts. was obstructed for everything he tried to do. this is where the same similarities are with obama right now. which republicans have you voted for based on your comments just now? caller: the last republican i voted for was reagan. i even regretted that after i did it.

where we look objectively at republican presidents, theodore roosevelt was a republican who did a tremendous job. dwight eisenhower was first rate. didge herbert walker bush very well. gerald ford is greatly admired. george w. bush has been very polarizing. have been some outstanding republican presidents have done an amazing job for our country. you mentioned the draft. about politicians in d.c. today. the problem with a lot of them today is they became lawyers and politicians. it used to be that we honored a man first for service to his of our, meaning most presidents were speakers of the house, senate majority leaders, had been a general or kernel.

-- colonel. we honored them for their military service to the country, then they became president. how we have people in washington with no military service -- now we have people in washington with no military service. they tend to use washington to line their own pockets. we might have to raise $1.5 billion to want to run for president in 2016. the money and lobbying has gotten so out of control. it is hard as a father of three kids to say, i want you to grow up to be like a politician. , honor scientists, doctors explorers, teachers. people otherhonor than our own politicians, that is sad.

we have slick lawyers who can take either side of an issue. we are not giving people a great character to go into government. movies have you watched, who have you dated -- we are treating people in government as in human. -- inhuman. it is creating a nest of mediocrity in washington. maybe somebody needs to come out of the military. a george marshall figure, someone who can split the difference down the middle and get our country moving again instead of clowning around on the right and left, racing to to do cable tvn appearances instead of locking themselves up in closed rooms and getting the business done of america. that's what we're paying them for. every congressperson is our servant.

they serve us. the public has lost track of that. the only way we can reclaim our dominance over politicians is going to be -- if we can't limit their terms constitutionally, we certainly can throw them out at the ballot box and gets some new blood in with some new ideas, and get people who want to work in a bipartisan fashion. we've got to get back to be able to cut deals together. congressman weiner -- ted kennedy did no child left behind not so long ago. douglas brinkley is joining us from austin, texas. you mentioned past republican presidents. this is from bill. was that the genesis of what we are dealing with today? guest: you can say that.

the tea partyved was born out of the affordable health care act of 2009. that is when they started having town hall meeting disruptions while president obama was at martha's vineyard. television was looking for a story, and it kept showing these tea party people. when george w. bush did the bailout in october of 2008, in some ways he abandoned the hard right, the conservative movement who wanted to see government spending cut, not government growth. george w. bush did the right thing in the bailout, the only thing he could have done. for it.d them when you do something like that, there's going to be a reaction. the tea party dislikes george w. almost as much as it does

barack obama. host: jeff is joining us from indiana. caller: thank you. this is a great show. .'m happy to be on willrinkley's answer influence my thoughts greatly. i read an article between 15 and 20 years ago in "usa today" about generations and the differences between generations of americans, and how they handle the affairs of the day. comparedrticle, they the boomers to the civil war generation in terms of not being able to get together at critical come together on issues and solve problems. what is your thoughts on those type of thoughts or thinking about the boomers, who have been

in charge probably for 20 years? that comparison, is it fair or is it to general? -- too g eneral? guest: it's probably too general, but it's interesting. it's interesting to think about the boomers in general. said recently, i'm the new old. a lot of people who got known in 70's 20's are now in their . we can start looking at what that generation did or did not do. one thing they did very well was confront the inequality in the u.s. we teach cold war history and teach that there was jim crow all over the south.

lyndon johnson in the civil rights acts. it look at the pushing of the youronmental movement -- look at the pushing of the environmental movement, going forward with the space program and trying to put science and the government. -- in the government. i can go on for an hour with accomplishments that the baby boomers have done. it has some validity to it. it seems that they don't have that art of negotiation. there is a spoiled nest. -- spoiled-ness. maybe we spoiled our kids. born, time our kids were there was the era of dr. spock and parents indulging their a deren to such an end -- gree that we had high youth unemployment. people do not want to do the

low-wage jobs because they feel entitled to more than a minimum wage job. the question of the parenting of the boomers is interesting and relevant. part of the boomer experience is the vietnam war. that divided the country. anytime i write on vietnam, i get myself in trouble. you cannot be objective about it. this group of boomers on one side of the equation or the other. seems to never have left america. since neil armstrong went to the moon in 1969, we have not had a moon shot. we have not worked together to do one big thing. i wish our country could find something like that, take on a war on cancer or try to create , somethingive to oil we could do as a nation together.

right now i don't see it happening in the next two years. is andouglas brinkley author, presidential historian, and professor. thanks for a much for being with us. guest: thank you. host: i want to show you what the scene looks like outside of saint matthew's cathedral, the so-called red mass marking the start of the supreme court as the term gets underway officially tomorrow. justices are attending services a few blocks from the white house in the center of washington, d.c. we will continue the conversation tomorrow morning on "washington journal." we will look at the week ahead in washington. liptak willand adam be joining us. we will get the perspective of hah former clerks, pratik s and william jay. they will join us tomorrow morning on "washington journal."

the government shutdown continues. the house and senate back in session tomorrow. thanks for joining us on this sunday. "newsmakers" is coming up next. have a great weekend. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] "newsmakers" with jeb hensarling. legal experts look at the next term of the u.s. supreme court, which begins tomorrow. >> congressman jeb hensarling, republican of texas.

part of the republican leadership team in the house of representatives. thank you for being with us. >> good morning. >> let me introduce our reporters. from "usa today" and washington bureau chief for "the washington journal." we are all interested as the debt ceiling date moves closer, what you see as the endgame for what is going on with the standoff on the budget in washington. how do you see this all coming together and ending? >> regrettably, my crystal ball is a little fuzzy. house republicans have now put one offer on the table, a second offer, a third offer, a fourth offer. we are not through negotiating, but we are through negotiating with ourselves. regrettably, the president called congressional leaders over yesterday to tell them in person what he already told them in public, that was we refuse to negotiate. ultimately, i do not believe ths