urban renewal and education. and the impact of the shutdown on food safety. ♪ host: the house meets at 9:30 this morning. how spate -- house speaker john boehner is scheduled to meet with his caucus. this will be in exchange for negotiations over larger budget issues. that deal, written about in many of the papers today. also about action in the senate with a couple of countering plans. open the government, dealing with the debt limit, and deal with the larger issues of debt and spending. it is october 12, 2013. it is day 12 of the government

shutdown. your we are interested on thoughts on how to shut them has played out so far and what you're hearing about the debt limit talks that are going. here is how you can reject and give us your comments. if you want to reached out -- reject was by phone -- -- reach out to us by phone. media, our twitter page, the way you reach us there is @cspanwj. as always you can send this e- mail act journal@c-span.org. "the boston globe" has an interesting take on the current status of the shutdown. the larger headline is --

when you go to the center it yields with mena's susan collins. deals with mena's susan collins. to give us the latest on the debt limit talks, joining us on the phone is susan davis. she is the chief congressional reporter for usa today. susan davis, thank you for joining us this morning. why don't you bring us up-to- date on the latest as far as -- on the house side we have had this proposal from john boehner looking at some concessions, some offerings as far as the debt limit and the shutdown -- what is the status and what was offered? guest: it is a good question and we should have a better status of the negotiations after the meeting. republicans have put forward to the white house -- first they

are saying to just want to plan on the debt ceiling. the white house says that is not going to work. there've gone back with a plan to raise the debt ceiling and to reopen the government. these are on short-term terms. the house is talking about doing things until november to keep pressure on the longer-term negotiation. they want reductions on mandatory spending, possibly turning off the sequester for setting a new topline spending. it is not clear what they would like to see. one of the latest thing house republicans have suggested is that you can delay the tax penalty if you do not get insurance under the law. it is pre-safe to say the democrats have no interest in supporting that proposal. he will see where that stands. what is interesting is we have senate republicans pursuing a

different track. that is not to say that i think there is any division between do seecans but you senate republicans moving decisively differently than house republicans are. what i mean by that is they are talking about reopening the government in a plan crafted by and keep the government open until the end of january. susan collins said we are looking for a longer-term deal and to give markets a bit of certainty to get us there. six months is preferable. it will give congress more time to reach a deal. this economic confrontation at christmas time or at thanksgiving or over the holidays and just keep in this pattern we have been over the past two or three years. offering that is

being done, what is the reaction that maybe you have heard from those in the house and in the senate, those that define themselves with the tea party, to these concessions? guest: that is a great question. is there anything that the white house and republicans can agree to that john boehner can go back to his congress -- his conference and say, look here is the deal. you are going to lose a significant amount of house republicans who said from the beginning that he would not only not vote or a funding bill that didn't have some kind of concession on the law, but you have republicans that have said they never vote for a clean debt ceiling ever. if there is a clean debt ceiling component of it ended does not do much -- of it and it does not do much to take care of the law, are still a vast majority to get those republicans on board. you cannot guarantee the vast

majority of your republicans, democrats would have a stronger negotiating hand if they are going to be the votes to get it done. is there still a consensus that a deal will be made before the october 17 deadline? guest: we do know the white house has said they would really like to have something in place before monday morning, before the markets open. quite honestly we do not know if that is possible. it seemed clear coming out of white house meetings on friday that everyone had a cordial tone and it looks at we are finally cooking with grease in these talks. every one had the same message, we are still very far apart on the actual terms of a real deal. the houses in its 9:30 today. is there going to be worked on on the floor on these efforts? to release're going

a discharge position they have on a clean bill to reopen the government. discharge petition they have on a clean bill to reopen the government. i do think there are some sense of urgency to get this moving, particularly on the heels of a wall street journal poll that came out later this week that shut the republican party at an all-time historic low. i think it may be changed the political calculus for some members. >> thank you as always. thank you as always. the debt limit negotiations, the talks that are going on and the government shutdown as it continues. the phones --

start off with brian from michigan, democrats line. have a little bit of history that i think is pertinent and i would like to share. never in the history of the program, social security, thecare, medicaid, republicans never voted for any of the health care, any of the safety net, and they do not want any wet -- any of it. host: why is it pertinent? have been fighting for 70 years again social security. -- fightingen filed since 1965 against medicare. they have been fighting the affordable care act tooth and nail for the last two or three

years. host: michael from bronx, new york, your next. caller: i am a republican. i want to say that people are suffering. why don't they do something about this problem? i do not understand this political issue. thank you. you heard our guest, susan davis, talk to the top of the show.

page -- itter off of facebook, a couple of thoughts -- from florida, this is scott on the independent line. caller: good morning. i see it just like a credit card. we are trying to see if we can make these payments.

lot of these loans are sold to china. now we are defaulting on the. that is why i have a problem with china. these things are just small things a normal person would go through, like a credit card. ready and that is where the problem lies. host: this is judy from indianapolis. republicans, the american people put the republicans back in charge. the hateful people, they go out and vote and become the majority in the republican house. and now the republicans are the

ones who are hurting this economy. they have put us in hot -- put us in austerity. with the country being in austerity it is difficult for people to go to work, make money, to pay taxes to put into the system so that the country can grow. cut out jobs, cut out income, and they continue to do so and they want to take the food stamps, they want to take the welfare, they want to take everything from everybody to feed into the economy. , flip everyhe house house at every level that dominated by republicans. the american people need to get out and vote. the republicans have shut down the economy. they shut it down. people need to realize they shut it down. "the financial times" a

look at republicans and future elections -- this is stephen from connecticut on the independent line. caller: i just want to touch

base in the affordable care act. i think the government shutdown has put a big flashlight on the cost of obamacare. i'm going to be going 470 per month, which per is going to cost my family with an extra $1000 per month in earnings. people talk about some studies and the affordable cap -- and affordable health care, those base plans are still twice as much as what they are now. it is not sustainable. the choices are going to be get off the plan and not do sustainably more. everyone should have health care. they're going to bankrupt the country let detroit is bankrupt and a lot of cities -- the united states are bankrupt. i just wanted to put that out there. from california on our democrat line, good morning -- caller: i just wanted to say

something about health care. us middle-class people work. the poor receive medical benefits. they have always been receiving them. most of the middle-class cannot receive them and the rich receive them. why should we pay taxes for everybody else? why do we get nothing because we own houses? ,s far as the republicans everybody is so tired from hearing from them. i don't think it is the republicans, i think it is the tea party. we have made our choices. we have been over this. we went to court and here it comes around again. we don't want the president making it feel with the tea party that once that party because we do not want to hear from these people again. we are tired, we don't want to hear from them. obama i woulddent not give them anything.

what we need to find out is how to vote them out. the: you would even say president should not make any concessions even as the deadline comes up next week? no, because it is blackmail. them and the wars cost us billions of dollars, he got in there -- i never would have taken the job in the first place. he got us out. i am a truck driver. -- i know atle that little about finances. when the market goes, everything goes. things were going slowly but we barely dug it out. the tea party says that they want to help us. you put millions of people out , the people like the lady who is not getting her health care, she has cancer, how

are they helping us? host: jay carney at the white house talked about the president's reactions to the several things he has been hearing. here is what jay carney had to say yesterday. [video clip] >> the president called and spoke with the speaker of the house not too long ago. the two of them agreed that all sites need to keep talking on the issues here that are confronting us that have led to a shutdown of the government and the situation that has put us on of potential default are reaching that point where the government does not have borrowing authority. withs meeting yesterday house republican leaders and today with senate republicans,

as well as with house and senate democrats, there have been constructive talks. when it comes to the house --ublicans in particular indication that we need to remove default as a weapon in budget negotiations, that the threat of default should not be used. certainly default itself is never an option. host: we are getting your thoughts on the government shutdown this morning. the phone lines -- from twitter this morning --

republican line, hello -- the only truth the president obama has told us was that he would transform, fundamentally transform the united states of america. that is what he is doing. our insurance will be canceled the first few years due to obamacare. people need to read the rules for radicals. what you do is pick the people against each other. calling americans terrorists is despicable. up.better wake

don't be dependent on the government. if the health care is not good enough for our president and the people that we pay, it is not good enough for us. host: sharon from georgia, hello. i was calling to say i do not understand why people do not know how representative meadows, he created a letter and got add -- and got 80 republicans to sign the letter, saying that representative speaker boehner needed to shut the government down over obamacare. representatives signed that letter and sent it out. how then does it go from the republicans saying to shut the government down over obamacare

to it being the democrats and president obama's a faulty echo how? if somebody can say that to me i will say, ok i understand. all it is is wrought on by the tea party. the tea party has shut down the government and now this -- and now they are trying to shut down america's economy. host: tony is up next from fort worth texas. i am really tired of all the blaming going on. -- all yourublicans republicans are blaming democrats. i think they both share some responsibility in this. president obama -- i voted for him twice. he seems to be more concerned about the affordable care act and the american people.

the republicans seem to care more about destroying the president than the american people. just think the american people need to wake up and see they plan -- they're pitting us against each other. that's not america. we are a two-party country. we should at least try to get together, get people in the white house and congress and senate, all trying to work together. these people have no incentive to work together. they have never worked together on anything. that is why we have the sequester. that is why we have the american jobs act. these people will not work together and we need to vote them all out. why do americans vote anyway? because it does not matter. people get in these positions and they force their own agendas. an e-mail --

gina joins us from pennsylvania, republican line. caller: this whole ordeal upsets me. i am so proud to be a republican. i never voted for them in the first time and i would never vote for him in a second or third time. say isy thing i have to i lost my full-time job in 2009. what has he done for me? he has done nothing for me. all these jobs he's saying he is

helping to create. that he saying he's helping to create, i had five w-2s last year trying to make it living on my own. is out there shaking hands with iraq is -- with iraq ease and iranians. i think we need to start from a clean slate, get rid of all of them. i am sick of all of them fighting and did not coming to a deal. i am tired of it. get rid of all of them and get rid of the president. the house meets at 930 today. continuing talks throughout the weekend and into next week, that deadline is next thursday october 17, taking a look at when the treasury department can stop a set of extraordinary measures to pay bills and keep things running. after that, who knows? if you want to give us a call

and step state have taken as the debt taught -- debt talk ontinues -- th page, you facebook may want to see it this morning because not only can you share comments on the facebook page but also gives you a picture that you can share -- danny, thank you for waiting, you are next from huntington west virginia, independent line. i'm retired. becausecial security

there are better -- i do not have social security because there are better benefits. what's going to become of us? that's my thing to ask. what is going to become of the veterans and people in social security? it looks pretty sad right now. i'm very angry with both parties. i don't like obama. my choice, that was the people that put him back in there. host: a follow-up story ,oncerning health care websites

this takes a look from the insurer's point of view --

john the from florida, democrats line. caller: i was a longtime republican. i had to be because i was a stockbroker. at one point -- people don't talk about it that much, the government being shut down is which is really bad for the economy. all of these deals that were scheduled to happen are stalled for a long time. i think they ought to extend the debt limit at least a year and let's redo obamacare. i have a suggestion. i believe if we went to a national sales tax come a saved three percent and put a cap on it, and gave everybody a medical the republicans and democrats would go for it and

the rich people and poor people would both pay each of their fair share. through, at would go lot more so than putting all the burden on them. katrina from california, independent line, hello. caller: good morning, pedro. my comment on the debt ceiling -- i am still recovering from 2011. i am losing brain cells as we speak. i cannot take it anymore. congress does the appropriations all throughout the year to pay whoever they are going to pay. and now when it comes time to pay they do not want to pay. it is so dumb. i would like to make a comment on the affordable care act. i don't think people realize it is based on your income.

the people getting these high increases must be making a lot of money. in 2009 i was paying $209 -- 2001 i was paying $209 per month for a premium. my premiums are $977 per month for one individual with a huge deductible. the affordable care act is going to save me $12,000 per year. people need to get educated about this. ands based on your income people should learn as much as they can about it. host: a story taking a look at for loader lurker -- at for loader workers. they write --

california tennessee on the republican line. caller: this is a great time. act -- i hade care

to get certified. it is worse than what people think. the problem is since obama has , the rate ofe how weg -- i don't know are going to be able to fund it. some of these people are democrats -- some of these democrats are very shortsighted. they don't realize that in 10 years before he will care act will cost another one point $8 trillion. he have to find something -- find some way to writing it in. eventually it will go to encrypt. you cannot to this. the affordable care act is a very bad program. a lot of people will not participated.

i think it is time to have a real good discussion about the reform of the affordable care act. we have medicare, medicaid, and social security. tableanother leg to the of mandatory spending. in other angles to our discussion -- you can make your thoughts on facebook as well and give us a call on the phone lines, which will be on the screen. up next is andrea from maryland. she's on the democrats line. thank you -- for takingthank you my call. i have no problem with health care for everyone in the united states. unfortunately it filed its

everything within our country and all of the laws and everything. the business that is running behind it is -- i lost my train of thought. a business and unfortunately the government and business should stay out of our health care. i am a democrat, i work for a health care company. we need to keep government out of our life. why is it specifically important to health care to keep government out of your life? caller: honestly doctors are required to follow certain constraints and guidelines, which are not important to patient care. the amount of paperwork to provide one simple thing is just ludicrous.

i feel like with this universal , it iscare or whatever only going to hurt the people. my mom is 67 years old, she has to go to one company for bed, one company for oxygen. can you imagine what she goes to the hospital and she says i have a problem with this and the betor -- that is going to the irs -- audited by the irs or whomever. that doesn't qualify for my mother later on. thank you for your perspective. a look at the shut down, specifically what it is doing for nasa workers out there. 11,000 contract workers are on furlough. the number will go to 60% by the end of next week if the

government shutdown continues, according to a report by a business organization. or the 90% of contracted workers will be furloughed by november 1, bringing the number of contract workers to 10,000. this is bob mitchell from the bay area -- a few more minutes left. william, good morning. i want to thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk on c-span. comments.veral it is kind of ludicrous because if we have a major catastrophe like we had with katrina, who is

going to help us? the states can only do so much. the main reason i called is because of the fact that my hat goes off to barack obama. soldieron why is i am a , served in desert storm and operation iraqi freedom. how does it look for half of us to eat and the rest of us not to eat? in the military they train those. we take care of everybody. they can't get their check. we live together and we die together. and i like that. -- i have aes me lot of respect for the gop house.

he just does not have the backbone to get the tea party straight. you have to look at this. he is not new to it. he knows about politics. to let someone destroy his legacy -- i just hope that , our president, continues to stand strong. the is up next on republican line. i am a military technician. i have been furloughed twice in the past three months. of the sequester, to because of the government shutdown. go -- whatyou do you do you do you go -- what do you

do? caller: i have been to iraq, i have been to afghanistan. our government to sit here because of their simpleminded bickering with each other, to continuously affect our military , our veterans, is aggravating. we have a military decision making process where are people gather together and we find a solution. why can't congress, the senate, and the president come together and work for the people you go host: what do you think should be offered the echo -- should be offered? caller: i think the president needs to gets on obamacare until all the kinks get worked out of

the system. he needs to give up a little bit. the democrats need to give up a little bit. look at the rates, they are cheap. but the deductibles are astronomical. i don't see how people can afford it unless you make $300,000 per year. host: what should the house give? the republicans are divided. to unite with the people who elected them. we can call in to our congressman every day, tell them what we are happy with and is happy with. you need to come together and make up their mind of what they want. them needs to sit down and negotiate. teresa froms

pennsylvania. caller: good morning. where in the constitution of the united states of america are they allowed to shut down the government? you asked because? caller: because this is our government. forefathers our took care of. letter, read jedediah's should behristianity overthrown -- all the blessings that both for them should flow with them. they should read george washington. --t is going on the echo

going on the echo --what is going on? host: do you agree with the shut down? caller: they should do their jobs but not shut down the government. that affects the whole united states of america. that is all i have to say. thank you. host: pat from rhode island, how are you? caller: i have a solution to the problem. we have two people sharing the same real estate between the atlantic and pacific, two people who will never agree and destroy each other. i think some brave representatives and senators from both political parties should introduce a cosponsor -- an amicable divorce resolution. it is abundantly clear to me -- our have to nations

like to see a red nation. i would like to see a government that takes care of everybody. other people are responding. marjorie is the last call we will take on this. there are more than two parties in the united states and i consider myself a conservative, not a republican. i want to comment that the senate is not doing anything. neither is the congress or president. i did not vote for him but i remember when he was on the he was going to be a uniter, not a divider. he was going to heal the waters.

the president gets up there and bashes republicans right and left so i know he is not up there representing me. i think how this is going to go is just like the irs scandal. i think republicans ought to worry because when i call up i am not going to get covered. can just let all the republicans buyout under obamacare. -- whatw do you think you think of their performance of house speaker during these negotiations, especially in the last few days with these offerings john boehner is making? i don't think it matters because what the president said was he is not going to negotiate. the senate won't take up anything. i think they ought to take up the bills, veterans memorial. we owe them. we should honor them.

one if it is one by one by it should be picked up and the president should sign it. i don't know what they are going to do. democrats.e i wish we would all get along. we are not going to know how it is going to be. we will find out. i think president obama should stand up and unite this country and not bash anyone, not bash republicans or independents or him across. he should be impeached. we continue on our discussion looking at the shut down. two guests joining us to give us different perspectives. you may have seen the value voters summit has taken place. we will hear from one of the participants at the center for

urban renewal and education. dewaalne smitgh will join us. among theddy cruz was participants yesterday. during his talk he has some critics from the audience interrupt him several times. here is a little bit and then we will come back for our discussion with star parker. [video clip] >> what we saw a cross this country. would i wish you participate in the democratic process by speaking respectfully. it seems president obama's paid political forces out today. -- force is out today. [applause] you know why?

because the men and women in this room scare the dipping late -- scare the living daylights out of him. don't know how many of you remember the movie the usual suspects. they described the greatest trick the devil ever pulled to convince the world he did not exist. curious if anybody is left at the organizing for america headquarters? [applause] i'm actually glad the president's whole political staff is here instead of doing stuff for the country.

in the movie they said the greatest trick the devil ever played was to convince the world he did not exist. the greatest trick the left has ever played is to convince conservatives we cannot win. >> "washington journal" continues. star parker is our guest. thank you for coming on. a couple of questions about your organization, what is it he echo -- what is it? we provide market-based solutions to fight poverty. we are privately funded. we do not get government grants. people are interested in our mission and our focus is on black pastors that are serving hard-hit communities, taking a

conservative approach to the challenges for them and their people. host: it seems like a lot of the can you cross the bridge between how participants are looking at what is going on in washington and particularly your take on what is going on with the shut down? most people come from the perspective that we cannot go on this way anymore. ofy are coming from a side america that is in conflict with what is happening here in washington, especially with the ideology, the vision, we are split in half. the people are saying we want to make sure that freedom and personal responsibility -- we do not want a secular socialist government. many of the speakers are in agreement with it. many of the leaders are in agreement. does that mean they would

like to see it a laminated or modified? guest: i think they would like to see it eliminated. any think about how you serve the poor and government, it is not like ideas are not being shared. poverty look at a program of medicaid, there are interesting ideas on the table we can -- interesting ideas on the table. obamacare expands medicaid. we try to socialize medicine for the rest of the country at the cost of looking at this particular poverty program that is not working, not just for the taxpayer, but it's not working for the people it says we are trying to help you -- trying to help. there's a lot of discussion about allowing for the people to go in by a private insurance for themselves, not one that the government has selected, but for them to shop on a boat -- on an open market. paul ryan had floated those kind of ideas. other republicans are coming

forward, expanding the shut down using it as means for the debt issue. it is guest: -- -- guest: it is ok to make those decisions. what i believe congressman ryan is pointing to is the liabilities that we already have with medicaid, medicare, social security. this is what is driving much of the problems we are having. we should have a discussion about it. when you look at the budget act that was passed in 2011, it did not include entitlements. we need to have that conversation. what the left continues to do is build upon what is already without any discussion on how we are going to transition ourselves out of spending more money than we are taking in.

fact that theye have determined who is essential and nonessential is one place where we can start to say, how do we transition ourselves out we are at a real critical crosspoint. half the country does not have a problem with other people spending money on their behalf. when you look at 1979, 20% of american people got more from government than they put in. today it is 60%. we cannot go on like this. the shutdown is getting us to the point where we have this discussion that should have taken place years ago. host: and what do you think about this debt limit that we will reach next week, using the shutdown as a means to start negotiations because of that? do we continue to spend more money than we taken he echo duly for certain people in our population to pay those bills? i think there are some in that society that some in our society

that want to have that discussion. call andyou want to ask questions, here are the lines -- you can tweak a question or comment and you can also send us an e-mail, that is journal@c- span.org. your bio says you have souvenirs welfare dependency. >> i believe in a lot of the rhetoric we are hearing today. my problems are somebody else's fault, america is inherently racist, and i got caught up in a lot of reckless behavior. criminal and rubbed activity, sexual activity that landed me in and out of the welfare state. it wasn't until a christian conversion that i changed my life.

this is the significance of what we are talking about at the value voters summit. there are americans who changed their liveson new information on religious conviction and personal responsibility. when you change your life and say you have on obligation to be self-sufficient your neighbor, you start to see debt go down. you start to see responsibility increase. it was a challenge in my life and a lot of people's lives today that we keep making political promises that someone else will take care of you and that person is getting weaker as a contributor in the society. host: your latest op-ed -- can you expand upon that jacob guest: --can you expand upon that? to 300we distribute different outlets, i need to clarify that.

what i am looking at this week is this conflict of vision. there are those in our society now that keep insisting that all of the shutdown is the republican's fault. are -- butty people so is the president. they have two separate divisions. that is what the great debate is about. a lot of folks saying the tea party is behind what made the shutdown happen. they are decent people in quite communities who were fed up and began to elect officials to do with this country was designed to do, have a three-part government. the congressional leaders that have taken control of this discussion are rookies and this of districts of people who are saying enough is enough. host: do you think that is a real discussion he echo caller: -- real discussion he echo --

real discussion? they only represent half of the country. the other half are the contributors. they want to have a dialogue about how long how are -- how long are we going to overspend our out-of-control debt, broken families, and this big government is not healthy for society. we should have the discussion. will it conclude this particular time? maybe not. at least we are moving it forward. host: our first call is from new york area and -- from new york. thatr: i would like to say the cry from the republican party is you cannot spend what you do not have. anybody who buys a car or house, they do not take all their money out of the bank and put it down on the one part of the house. to take a percentage out and save some of that money for a rainy day.

what greases the wheels of this country, general motors makes more cars than people can buy. we could buy all the refrigerators, we couldn't file the televisions without credit. without credit this whole system will collapse. the difference between the we do --guest: difference between what we do in our household, we have a budget. that person who let this money also assesses it. that is what much of this debate is about. the senate will not produce a budget. when you think about head start, saying that based on the should -- based on the shutdown there were days of running out of food

, what kind of budgeting have they been doing he echo what government agency would not plan for the future -- been doing yet to what government agency would not plan for the future or have collateral? we cannot continue to spend and borrow. you have to set a budget. let's find out how much do we need, can we live, let's find out the things we do not need that we should not be paying for. let's adjust ourselves. host: walters from utah on the republican line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i think this government shutdown thing is a good and bad thing. in my opinion it is all for posturing. i have heard several callers states that obama won the election -- maybe he did win the election but nobody has really

addressed the voter fraud. every time i have gone to the polls and voted i have had to have an id to vote. are wanting to sue states for not wanting to have voter id. you have to have an id to walk on the streets. they want to know who you are or anything else. the only way obama got in the second time is through voter fraud. there is stuff stated on news organizations where poll voters vote at several different times because they wanted their vote to count. host: thank you. guest: this discussion is not about posturing. it is about what benefit taxpayers are getting.

this is about how we should move forward as a nation. acedd we be a biblically personal responsible nation or should we be a secular anything goes government nation check but this is serious was taking place right now. the same way when a union goes out on strike. people have to adjust. there are challenges in their lives at that moment. we all hope to come out the better for it. this is not posturing. this is serious business taking place in washington. , each day thete shutdown continues, services grow more acute. to cite just one example, many states are about to run out of federal aid for the poor. again, we have to

say, what happened in the american people that their resilience is not there anymore? what happened to the personal responsibility where they think their whole existence is from the government. we have built out dependency rogue rams and increased the slave mentality in people who are not -- dependency programs and increase the slave mentality and people who are not even trying anymore. programs in charge of our most phone verbal running out of food. how do you run out of food? we need to have that discussion as well. we do not see private organizations running out of food. it is only government or they think they have an endless supply of cash or they do not budget. the senate has not produced a budget in years. they came out with a budget that no one wanted in their own house.

the shutdown is painful. sometimes a little pain increases the resilience to say let's solve this problem. host: they need to be modified? where do you fall on that? guest: they need to be modified. we saw people's lives begin to change. the red states are working. the blue states are not. blue state weller's are moving stateed states -- blue dwellers are moving into red states. when we start adjusting ourselves as a nation to say what works and what doesn't, then we will start seeing help for everyone. is there a little discomfort

convert -- discomfort, yes. first of all, thank you, star parker. this is a pleasant surprise. formeet -- you need to run president. you make sense. you back up everything with facts and he did not answer around trying to be politically correct. there are may disconnect people in this country looking exactly for that. this is what i was coined to call in for. i am listening to you and i -- this is what i was going to call and four. one thing that ties into any -- -- this is what i was going to call in for.

my father would rub his fingers , it is aboutsay values. because ofof words the value they have. there is a sense of accomplishment and pride in achieving something you thought maybe you were not capable of doing. guest: a friend of mine told her we have no value. we had 50 years of the social engineering and we have bankrupt this community. we have collapsed america. when you think about poverty, who is poor today? people who are struggling by /or single moms. when you think about marriage,

it decreases incidence of poverty. our values and our ego now make states are converged. our values and our economic -- our values and our economic states are converged. one of the challenges for the middle class is that they do not pay their own bills. they insist their employers pay their own bills. that is right -- that is why the in the back rooms when they were developing obamacare. start winking about a market-based system about how -- thinking about a market they system about how we get our health care.

host: do you think a market- based system will happen? guest: that would be the solution. the polls are showing the american people saying they do not want this. beabsolutely should postponed for a year like that congress asked for. why not allow the american people a year so that we can reassess ourselves. this was ramped down the peoples rose. rammed down the people's throats. they republicans did not vote for this. are we going to be able to live as a society or are we going to constantly have this war. statesvide out the red

from the blue states. i would not suggest that as an idea. the blue states are not working. where we are having republican thingsrs, we are seeing working. host: democrats' line. this is kentucky. hello. star, someone said you were a breath of fresh air. i am thinking, where did this lady come from? why don't we go to a flat tax all the way around? have everybody pay their fair share. guest: some people are talking about that. brought that to the national discussion when he

talked about 9-9-9. the problem with this city is that they wait until there is a crisis. happens innlike what people's personal homes. finally, you say, that is enough. i am leaving. people take seriously the challenges that have been in their marriages for a long time. on.: go on the republican line. the biggest driver of the debt is medicare. people get three times more medicare than they pay for. -- here issy year that people are retired and they are taking their medicare. they say reform entitlements and that is a euphemism. they are not realizing that what they need to do is cut down on the amount of medicare they have. floatedhat is one idea

around washington. i would not single medicare out from social security. there are opportunities for us to look at social security and allow for private auctions. people making $30,000 or less a year or art or the years old -- or are 30 years old. paul ryan pointed out in his wall street journal column just recently that the driver of this debate we are having is entitlements. neither side wants to touch them. ?re we going to keep the epa we must look at entitlements. medicare and social security. host: a website takes a look at actions being touted by republicans. they write that the revised gop plan reflects the demands the president made in a meeting with

the house gop on thursday. guest: it is easy to throw rocks at somebody or try to blame someone. more ofhner is getting his share. one of the things he did when he took over the speakership is he changed the way business was done in the house. it used to be an environment where the web had a lot of power had a lot ofip get people out and to vote. john boehner said, why don't you represent your district? we are having a serious discussion to get serious answers. some say the tea party has too much sway over the house.

guest: president garfield said the representation we have is what we deserve. if we have recklessness is -- it is because we tolerate it. are people in washington that people are not satisfied with, they should vote them out. vilify the tea party and say this is some kind of special caucus. these are decent americans in quiet communities who since representatives here to do their business. why is it that only the tea party gets the attention and we do not look at the congressional black caucus who have represented these communities for the last 60 years. look at the end result. there is a conflict of vision vision right-

there. vision, that secular vision is not working for those people and it is not going to work for the rest of the people. ohio on theayton, republican line. go ahead. our residents once said, do not ask what the country can do for you. ask what you can do for the country. all of the ceo's should get together and have the president act on that. lost 10 million livable wage jobs so that the ceo's can hire people in bangladesh at slave labor. we, the american people, are paying for it. if you go to market solutions for your health care, when was the last time any republican let's issue are you

if you have a pre-existing condition. when did that ever happen yet though -- when did that ever happened cap go -- happen? 2 different discussions the caller is having. we can look deeper and look at the fungibility of money. itss going to money because nature is to create more of itself. it is not people sitting in a back room saying, how can i just joined the american people because i am not paying them what the caller calls a livable wage. insistence on increasing minimum wages and ing businesses.

when we think about why money goes abroad, we have to think about government regulation and taxation. host: abraham from maryland on the democrats' line. caller: everything you have said, most of it i agree upon. they works to make him a -- works to make him a one-time president. come to a point where that is not working either. they decided to work against everything obama has put forth. that is not how the government is supposed to work. this has nothing to do with obamacare. this has everything to do with obama.

they have come to a point that everything is not working and they decided to go back. host: thanks, caller. guest: perhaps, there is some truth to what he is saying. cannot say it is because of his race, which is what many on the left point to so they can shut down discussion. we let that someone who is an ideologue and has a vision with his country inconsistent with the founding of this country, you are going to have debates. for the caller to assist this is not what the country is about, this is exactly what the country is about. that is why we have a constitution. it is an operating manual. we need to have these checks and balances. for there to be people in our society who think the barack obama administration should come in and do whatever they want to

do without any discussion and we have already seen results of what those ideas do, not just in our country, but abroad, that person is in deception. there are people who care about this country from a different perspective. host: our guest is participating in the value voters summit. tell our viewers what it is. summitthe value voters brings together like-minded speakers and like-minded people to talk about these issues from a religious-constitutional perspective. was aone of the speakers doctor who said obamacare was the worst thing to happen to this nation since slavery. dr. carson has been on my advisory board for a couple of years. his story has run through the black community for generations.

looking at a mom who could not read, but inspired in her children, excellence. we are missing that voice in black america. when dr. carson talks about the challenges of obamacare, we should respect that. host: louisiana, republican line. michael, go ahead please. caller: good morning. host: michael, try it again please. i have star parker, never heard you speak before. how could we ever do anything right yet go show the plumber ran for congress -- that's --

the tea party coalitions have proven is that you do not have to be an insider to participate. one of the blessings we have today is that we have internet. we have google. we have the ability to communicate to each other without being funneled through the national, mainstream media. think i can agree that decent americans cannot get here and make changes. nonprofita organization. i wanted to develop an organization that did not work inside, but worked on the outside on public policy issues. we look at policy. we build a grassroots initiative . when you think about the time that ben carson pointed to, slavery, we had a lot of people trying to change the course the country was on and to expand slavery into new territories.

he had a lot of people inside and some outside. one of my favorites was harriet tubman. you do not have to run for office to be engaged in it you can find local organizations to help your community. host: you ran for office one- time? guest: iran for office one-time. one time.or office people do not want big government. they felt the community was issues of the left. five months was not enough time and i was not able to take her out. the redrawing of the map in california helped her lose her seat this last go around. is still very local. i was asked to move into a

district i did not live in. host: one more call. you are on with star parker. caller: good morning. ms. parker. good morning. who back the gentleman up said you should run for president. you are the first one who actually uses common sense with some old-fashioned values. make people responsible for themselves. i do work in a federally funded clinic. i see all kinds of things. i live in northern michigan. my community is very poor. one of the things i see our pregnancies with young girls. 14, 17,them as young as 18. birth control is free.

not only do they do this one time, they will go out and have a second and a nerd argosy all on-- third pregnancy all taxpayer' benefits. i do not think we should be paying for the second and third one. reforming start somewhere. we will pay for one. you need to be responsible for your behavior. thet: this is why government should not be in the charity business. and you think about personal responsibility and you think about what has happened in these need someonethey to look them in the eye and tell them this is not the role of government. we have removed from individuals theirself-worth and dignity and have allowed them to

turn their lives over to somebody else. the pathologies we have seen in these communities are inevitable. you start living recklessly. we see an increase in out of wedlock births. free country, a country built on personal responsibility, for us to allow this crime against humanity to continue. it is why we are having such economic challenges. much of this work is now being done by government. the left always wants to attack losses. we need crisis pregnancy centers or kid with these young women who have lost sight of their lives and being lost -- and are being lost in more relativism. is the best case scenario for these debt limit talks? guest: perhaps they can agree to disagree. two sides point where

say here is something we can agree upon. i am not sure that will happen. similar to the 1850s when we were at that critical ross point. abraham lincoln. look at his first inaugural. deliberation was the best. the second inauguration, he was going to war. know.ly do not it seems like the left has dug their heels in and the right is going to dig their heels in because there are people who are saying you must. we cannot go on his way anymore. the centerarker, for urban renewal and education. we are going to take a look at food safety. agencies being affected by the -- affected by the

shutdown. we would like to let you know about our "newsmakers" program. talks about egypt, syria, and iran. the obamawill discuss administration's move to cut aid to egypt. [video clip] focus of our mideast policy stance with having a good relationship with egypt's military and our military. countryovernment or a with which you are allied does something you do not like, i think there are different ways of reacting instead of saying, we are going to punish you and we are going to cut this off and cut that off.

there are two choices in egypt. there is the muslim brotherhood or the military. we are not going to have a western-style democracy anytime soon in egypt. given how mr. morsi and the muslim brotherhood ran egypt, it is much more important and better to engage with the military than the muslim brotherhood. >> the administration is reluctant to say there was a c oup in egypt. would you call it a coup? derailed egyptian democracy. >> what would you call it? >> i do not know if i would call it a coup. what the administration is trying to do is walk that middle path. they do not want to call it a coup.

they do not want to condone it. what they did this week was to go down that middle path. what the middle path is. it is better to keep egypt engaged. and cutall it a coup off aid, that is cutting off your nose to spite your face. i will come back to bite us in the end. >> "washington journal" continues. is carolineg us now dewaal. she is a food safety director. thanks for joining us. a lot of discussion about food safety in light of the shutdown. give us an idea of what is happening. guest: there is good news and bad news. law thatof the 1906 requires it, meat inspectors are on the job. plants have poultry

full-time usda inspectors in place. the end of the good news. there is a major outbreak going on. the bad news is that fda had to workforce --f its send 45% of its workforce home. there were people in the attic of the vice area who were user area who wereice user-fee paid. at the centers for it disease control, whose job it is to protect us from outbreaks as they are happening, a really pivotal job they do, they had to shut down a bunch of the rogue programs they-- run for a number of days. i am concerned that outbreaks

they might be getting signals on during the time of the shutdown are not fully investigated or there will be delays and investigation. it means at the end of the day, more people get sick because it takes them longer to alert us. , what ist inspectors not any expected when it comes to food? inspects meatda and poultry and a couple of other little items. fda inspects everything else. seafood, eggs, fresh fruit and vegetables. all of these items are processed food. these are fda items that are under fda regulations. the two agencies operate differently. operateunder which they , the 1906 law, obligates the usda to check every carcass.

fda has a law that is the same age, but does not require them to do that level of inspection. as you may recall, we passed a new law, the food safety modernization act. implemented, fda will be doing more intensive inspections. it will never be at the level that usda does. host: there was always the concern about manpower to do the inspections in the first place. guest: they have been understaffed and we have been working hard to get them more inspection staff as well as the legal mandate to do the job. outbreak.ad this i am now showing some places brandthis fosters farms outbreak took place. were there extra staff called in?

what about the current manpower to handle something like this? guest: the foster farms outbreak started back in the summer. it has been under investigation for a number of months. it is a complex outbreak. it has several different strains of salmonella. they are coming out of the investigation was going on before the furlough, but what happened when c.d.c. closed down the systems and sent people home, at that point usda was running samples out of these three facilities, so it was during the furlough that usda had the evidence they needed to make the public health announcement. hat was on monday. crfment d.c. has sense called

people back in, and they say cases are continuing. that means people are continuing to report illnesses from this chicken meat, and that's why we're a little -- we're not a little concerned, we're a lot concerned the usda hasn't recalled any of this meat. they say they don't have a clear enough link, but the bottom line is they have showed that the antibiotic resistance -- resistant salmonella making people ill are on the chicken products, so we're not -- we're not understanding why usda isn't recalling at least some of this foster farms product. >> what's the importance about antibiotics in this story for people who don't understand? >> this is critically important. antibiotics are used as chickens are growing up. they make the chickens grow faster, grow bigger, but they can also result in the

development of common strains of bacteria, like salmonella, becoming antibiotic-resistant. that means when someone goes to the hospital for treatment, it's much more complicate. the doctors need to know the resistance profile in order to choose appropriate medicines to treat those patients. the treatment options are narrowed. a lot of doctors don't have that resistance profile, so they start treating them with antibiotics, and then it's not working. the longer the people are sick, the more complications they have. bottom line is this is not your grandmother's salmonella. this is salmonella that has been enhanced through the use of antibiotics on the farm to be much more dangerous, really, to consumers than a common standard salmonella. host: our guest is with the center for science in the public center.

she's their food safety director. and joining to us talk about food safety, particularly under the shutdown and issues related to it. if you want to ask her questions, on the line, it will be divided, 202-585-3881 for republicans. 202-585-3880 for democrats. 202-585-3882 for independents. caroline smith dewaal is our guest. the science for center in the public interest, what is it and how is it funded? guest: cspi has been around since 1971. we were one of the original nader organizations -- host: ralph nader? guest: yes, that's right. our founder and executive director worked for ralph back n the 1970's, so it's been around for many years. we're affectionately known as the food police, because we're the people who report on the fat and salt content in

restaurant foods, as well as reporting on a lot of food safety issues. i've been running the work safety work at cspi for 20 years, so we have experts who have a lot of experience at this,&a very strong team of people who just worry about making sure what you eat is good for you. host: how are you funded? guest: we have over 900,000 subscribers, so our magazine, nutrition action health letter, actually goes out to about 900,000 households, and that's what funds us. host: first call is from jules. jules is from benson, pennsylvania. you're on. go ahead. caller: yes, good morning. thank you for having me. i would like to say, first off, i keep hearing that the president has overspent and his spending has gone through the roof, and i believe the fact is

that congress is the one who does appropriations, and basically they're the ones that approved the spending, and then they blame it on the president. i mean, i kind of see it one way, some people see it a different way. the other thing i'd like to comment on is the affordable care act. it was basically put into law, it's been a law for three years now, and it was upheld by the preme court and by a re-election of president obama. host: thanks, caller. sticking to his first point about the spending. did the food inspecting program suffer from the sequester in the first place before the shutdown? guest: the food programs -- i mean, the bottom line is these programs are essential public health programs. and the fact that the sequester went into effect followed by

the shutdown is causing major problems with just their ability to function to protect us. i mean, at the end of the day, we want government programs that prevent people from getting sick, but if you send the food inspectors home, that job is not happening. the labs aren't operating either at c.d.c., many of the labs, or at usda. usda, f.d.a., i mean, we have a lot of jobs that would prevent outbreaks from happening that aren't being done today. >> mark, good morning. he's from louisville, kentucky, republican line. i. >> good morning to your guests. i really do appreciate her talking about this situation here. and i have a brother that works

at a food facility that they have safety rules. they go by and then fully reward it for being safety-conscious about the food that their hands are in contact with. they wear gloves, they wear hair nets, everything. and sometimes things do slip through, and i don't think that see overnment can really everything that picks through, because it's very hard to pick out one source. >> mark, i think that's exactly right. food safety is a shared responsibility. we have -- the industry plays a central role. but, you know, we all drive cars, and if we know that there is a cop sitting at the top of a certain hill, that's going to

affect our driving. it's the same thing with food inspection. if you know that there is an inspector sitting somewhere, whether it's in your plant or whether it's somebody who could just knock at your door, you're probably going to operate at a little bit higher level of safety than you would otherwise. i'm glad to hear that where your brother works has those programs in place, but they may be there, in fact, because they know that there's a cop on the beat somewhere that may be checking them. i thought i read 13 different agencies that deal with food inspections. >> that's correct. there are a number of different agencies at the federal level, and that doesn't even count the fact that we rely heavily on state inspection of certain food facilities. where meat and poultry is inspected every single day, other food plants are inspected

periodically. but they can be inspected by a federal inspector, inspected by a state inspector, and they don't know when they're going to be inspected. so i think it keeps everybody operating at a higher level of defensiveness. they want to make sure they've got the programs in place and those mistakes don't happen. host: would there be a value of taking the 13 and condensing them? guest: absolutely. cspi has long regular gate for a one agency, keeping c.d.c.'s job where it is, but having the job of f.d.a. and usda be condensed. but right now, that hasn't happened. we do have a new law that will improve food safety regulation at the food and drug administration, so we're working hard to see that that's implemented effectively. host: linda and from room husband, michigan, democrats line. hi. caller: hi.

how are you? guest: good. hi, linda. caller: hi. i was listening with interest about the food safety program. i work for one of the major agencies within the government that is responsible for food inspections in this country. my problem is, with the state inspectors, although they do a fabulous job in what they trained, their level of inspection is totally different from a federal inspector, and we need to be careful how much we rely on state inspections. they need to be hand in hand, partnership is always good. however, sometimes things are not caught simply because there's a different type of training and level of inspection that is required by the state versus federal government. zpwoip linda, i'm going to go one step further, and i might irritate some of our state inspector colleagues for

whomive the utmost respect. but politics is everywhere, and these food facilities are really big employers in those areas. so it becomes very important to have an independent agency at the federal level that can step in, for any reason, a state agency isn't doing a good enough job. so you've pointed out there may be differences in training or education, and that's important. but we really rely heavily on the federal government to keep this system working, and that's why it's really quite alarming right now that so many of the federal employees in this system are not working right now. host: john from florida joins us on our republican line. john, good morning.

caller: good morning. i wanted to touch base a little bit about the hormones used in food now, and why in so many other countries they don't use them, and in this country we're using so many, you know, to grow the chickening bigger, fatter, plumper. we're getting to where you look at the average 8-year-old kid, and they're 12 pounds, 20 pounds overweight. why don't we step in and say enough is enough? and that's it? guest: that is such an excellent point. we don't use hormones in chickens, but they are used in other animals. and there are a whole theories of -- a whole series of different drugs, the antibiotic being one of them, but these other drugs as well that are just designed to help the animals grow. they're not therapeutic. they're not for sick animals that require treatment. they're for healthy animals to

speed their production, to speed their growth so they can be slaughtered faster and arrive on our dinner tables. i think a lot of americans are not aware of how much the food industry is relying on these drugs, and i think that we need to make people more aware. the good news, john, is that you do have a choice, if you buy organic meet, you can avoid those drugs. but, you know, it costs a lot more, and i think the food industry could be doing a better job of growing animals in a way that does not raise these problems. i just want to bring up one or example. there was a lot of interest in the fact that one of our major pork producers, smithfield, was bought by a chinese company ecently.

well, they came in and talked to us, and the chinese are very interested in getting pork not raised with some of these drugs. there's a particular drug that the chinese don't want to buy animals that are treated with that drug oregon moneys or other drugs, and smithfield has that different facilities are completely producing without the use of these drugs. so the fact that they can do that for chinese consumers, but not for u.s. consumers, is really pretty interesting. the bottom line is that's what the chinese are demanding. i think if our consumers demanded drug-free food, we could get it too. host: we have a viewer who asked to you explain the risk of cross contamination that's not eliminated by fully cooking poultry. guest: sure. foster farms and the usda have both said now that this is not

-- there's not a recall. these products are harmful, but not adultrated, and therefore, it's up to consumers to protect themselves. host: so it's still on the shelf? guest: that's right. you can still buy these products, bring home the pathogens, and what you have to do in your kitchen to make sure you don't spread those germs is pretty much treat them like a hazardous material. that means you need to be washing your hands any time you're touching them. the package can be contaminated. you need to make sure no juices from the surface of the poultry or from anything that touches the surface of the poultry, none of those juices can spread to other food items or your hands where it could make you sick. we shouldn't have to treat our food like it's hazardous waste

or has arduous material, but with this chicken, we actually believe that the salmonella in this chicken is too hot for consumers to handle in their kitchens, and we really would urge foster farms to recall these products. host: next up is steve from jacksonville, north carolina, republican line. hello. caller: yes, good morning. i find this, first of all, disturbing any time that, you know, someone becomes ill from a product that a business sales or distributes throughout the united states, but i was in the grocery industry for 30 years. we had standards that we had to meet every day in sanitation. our employees did it, and we did it continually. all the sudden now because. shutdown we have this company that supposedly has sent out tainted meat, has caused people to be ill because the f.d.a. is not fully staffed. i think 99% of the outbreaks we had, they were fully staffed.

i find it comical almost that because the government is not fully staffed, nothing is getting done. these companies don't intend on hurting people when they deliver a product. they do it to the standards that the f.d.a. tells them. they have inspectors at the state level. they have inspectors from the federal level. and we do it every day. we never know when these people are coming. it's like chicken little, the sky is falling, because we don't have an inspector coming out. i remember the peanut butter plant in georgia. it wasn't inspected by the state, wasn't inspected by the federal government for seven or eight years. but yet their nice lady is coming on and satisfying because of the shutdown we have less inspectors, therefore, nothing is getting done,¬hing is sanitized or safe for our public. host: ok, caller. guest: i don't think i said those things. the bottom line is that this particular outbreak was going on and was being investigated

prior to the shutdown. the announcement after the shutdown was because usda had new sampling data that was just getting processed that informed them that there was a serious public health risk coming out of these three facilities. what i worry about, though, is that outbreaks that are happening right now, the signals for those outbreaks would be coming up through the states to the c.d.c., but we and have the analysts epidemiologists to run those analyses. i agree with your caller, pedro, that there is a lot done at the industry level to protect the safety of our food, and it's very important that that continues. host: what about foreign foods? how are they inspected?

guest: so foreign foods are imported to the u.s. if it's meat and poultry, it is subject to fairly intensive inspection, both in the country of origin and also they do a follow-up border inspection that's pretty comprehensive. at f.d.a., they don't have those systems in place yet. so right now we shift food from all over the world, it can come in, these are non-meat and poultry products. they can come in through any number of ports of entry. there may not even be an f.d.a. inspector there right now. there aren't f.d.a. food inspectors at our borders. and at the best of times, f.d.a. is only checking about 2% of those products coming across the border. so the food safety modernization act is going to change that system, so we have

a lot more assurance that the people who import our food are making sure that it's safe. but that law is really in the implementation phase. it hasn't been adopted yet. host: we have a viewer who says it should want be the government who pays for the inspection, it should be in the price. guest: right now, most of our food safety inspections are paid for by taxpayers. this is -- these are programs that have a common good. we all rely on them to ensure the safety of what we eat, and, you know, a few cents of our tax dollars would go to help fund those programs. but they have traditionally been really underfunded, especially those covering foods other than meat and poultry. host: do large food companies, or maybe even all, have some type of sway over the inspection process?

guest: the food companies have a lot of interest in the inspection process. they are very active in lobbying members of congress and lobbying members of the administration on how inspections should be done. i think that there is a lot to learn from people in the food industry. so i'm not somebody who thinks that, you know, government good, industry bad. i think that it's very important that everyone be listening, because there is a common agenda. safe food is a common agenda. and agree with one of your callers who said, i think it was the last one, steve, who said food -- the industry itself wants to produce safe product, and i believe that, truly. so i think there's a lot to learn, but it's like that cop at the top of the hill. you know, you may not be the

one speeding, but you want to make sure that the others aren't speeding as well. host: caroline smith dewaal from the center for science in the public interest to talk about food inspections. here's tone friday pittsburgh, pennsylvania, democrats line. caller: thank you for taking my call. yes, i sort of agree with the last caller about how it is sinful that we have to handle something that we need to eat in such a drastic way. why is this chicken still allowed to be on the market, and who is allowing it to stay on the market? it all goes back to the shutdown, because i was watching this value summit yesterday where they were saying how they valued the people in the united states and christianity and all of that. however, is it valuable for the country to be shut down,

millions of people out of work? it is ok to say, ok, we can waste money, and we can waste people's time, but it's not ok to help those who are the least of us. jesus himself said what you do to the least of us you do unto me. host: thanks, caller. guest: i couldn't agree with you more that keeping people at home who want to be on the job protecting public health is really very, very troubling. it's critically important that we get these public health officials back to work. and one thing the congress passed a bill that would just ut f.d.a. people back to work. and if you really understand the system, that is not good enough. we need the people back at work

at the c.d.c., f.d.a., because the three agencies work together right now to too the best job they can in terms of policing the food industry and ensuring the food is as safe as it can be. certainly the system, when it's working, even when it's working perfect, but ot it's just really troubling to have people who are professionals and want to do this job at home. agree with you, let's get people back to work. host: her organization spent a letter to both speaker boehner and nancy pelosi. any response or at least comments? guest: no, we haven't gotten a response, and they did actually pass the -- the house did pass the bill just to get f.d.a. staff back to work, but frankly, that's not good enough.

we need everybody. we need the whole group of people at c.d.c., f.d.a. back doing their job. after all, we're paying them. i mean, congress has agreed that these federal employees will largely be paid. i think the bill hasn't passed the senate yet, but it's not the intent to withhold the salaries from these federal employees, so why can't they go back to work? you know, it's like a lockout. we're locking out the very people whose job it is to protect us. i must say, i'm somewhat angry about this because the risk to the consumer is so large during the shutdown. host: a couple more calls. this is colleen, fort myers, florida, republican line, hi. caller: good morning. this is colleen, and thank you for my call. i'm just doing a little follow-up right now as to what

the lady had just said about that we need to have more people policing things. it's ironic that the police are still on board as far as working and the firemen and all those, even though they're on furlough. we already know that those employees are going to be paid after they do get back to work, and since the three agencies for o be policing us protection of the food industry, for people that are naive what needs to be taken care of with proper, oh, taking care of their food right before they took it, etc., that they need to have everyone back, plus more, because everyone knows that greed will speak first if there isn't a oliceman watching. and another thing i would like to say, as far as the hormones

go, if you take a look at how much taller people have been since they've been putting the hormones in the beef -- well, i was born in 1957, since around, i think it was the 1960's they started putting the hormones in beef to make them grow faster, so it is affecting us as far as growing up, and it's really surprising to me that's never been mentioned. host: caller, thanks. guest: i think it is absolutely correct that everybody plays a role in food safety. so food safety is going to start at the point of production, whether that's on the farm or in the factory. the government plays a big role, and then consumers also lay a role in their kitchen. but consumers shouldn't be asked to handle this. it's simply not safe to put really dangerous pathogens into

consumers' kitchens. they're not sterile environments, and consumers aren't really trained to manage these pathogens. the center for science in the public interest petitioned the usda two years ago to declare antibiotic-resistant salmonella has adulterant. that would allow the usda to recall these products on the basis of a simple test f. they tested the product and found these strains of antibiotic-resist absent salmonella, usda could recall that product. right now, they told us they're not recalling the foster farm product because they don't have enough evidence of a direct link between a single consumer who got ill and a package of meat and then the production lot and date that that meat was produced. without those details, they can't issue a recall.

ell, a salmonella that was antibiotic-resistant was tee chaired an adulterant, they wouldn't need those hoops. they would simply be able to do the job they need to do on the basis of a test. host: greg from michigan, democrats line, hi. caller: hi, thank you. my first time calling, and i just want to bring up the fact that not only do we need to have the government and everybody else doing the inspection, but i think we need to educate the individuals as well on cross-contamination and things of how they store things in their refrigerators and that. i worked in food business since the 1970's, and one of the things that we were always taught was how to prevent things and how to store the food and everything, and when i go to somebody's house and i

help cook and things like that, i noticed that they have to rearrange things because we store things the wrong way. and we don't clean -- and the cleaning is -- how important cleaning s. guest: you know, i think you are exactly right, and there is a lot that could be done at the level of education on behalf of the consumer on handling of meat and poultry and many other products. we are in an information society, and it is very hard to pick and choose how people are going to be educated. i would recommend that consumers who have any question on how to handle their products, then they go to the internet and they look up handling the device. you can get good advice right

now, but guess what -- the government website that would help to advise you in the event of an outbreak like foster farms, those websites are not being updated right now because of the government shutdown. we have a communications gap at the u.s. government because basic information that should be going out to consumers is not because of the shutdown. host: time for one more call. georgia.tur, caller: i just got out of the coli, andor e. fortunately it was not in my blood. my suspect was chicken, but it was too late. usually when i buy fried chicken from the store, i will reheat it, and i did not do it that

time, and i noticed it was more , so i cannot identify the time,t, but at the same the question i have is how different is salmonella and e. coli and can you use hydrogen grade peroxide to handle chicken or meat in the household? guest: there are a number of questions there that are important to get to, and first of all, i am really sorry to hear about your illness. i do not think hydrogen peroxide is recommended, but you could go and we have a, meets and as risky part of that report, we have handling advice for our consumers. you can download a fact sheet

and it will tell you how to handle raw chicken, which is one of the riskiest meat products you could handle, ground beef, which is the next riskiest, and everything down to steak and roast beef and your luncheon meats. i recommend that anyone interested -- and we would love it if everyone interested -- would go and look up these fact sheets on safe handling of meets that you purchase. host: cspi not.org is the website. caroline dewaal, thank you. guest: thank you. att: the house is meeting 9:30 a.m. this morning. for the remainder of our time, we will go to open phones. we will take a short break as "washington journal" continues

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she created it. it was inspired by her ideas and she had very close involvement in all aspects of the house's creation. >> meet first lady lou hoover monday night on c-span. also on c-span radio and c- span.org. >> "washington journal" continues. host: again, the house coming in at 9:30 a.m.. until then, we will have open phones. times" -- one story that does not deal with the government shutdown deals with voting. arizona.ut of phoenix, they write that

again, that is a story in "the new york times." it does not deal with the shutdown, as we have been dealing with. today witheeting plans submitted from the house and the senate. you can talk about that and other issues as well.

starting off (for the session starting off open phones for this session will be tom from columbia, maryland. would like to remind everybody about how president obama, the first week he was in office, he was thrown into the eye of a hurricane. $10.2 trillion worth of debt from the republican party and the previous administrations. yet, our current republicans in office forget that. ok, so, if they are going to try obama and assigned problem, they have to remember they own $10.2 trillion of the

debt. host: jesse. michigan. democrats line. seek out good morning -- caller: good morning, pedro. the african american lady on their. my ancestors would be turning hearingtheir graves something like that after all they had to deal with in life -- slavery, years of jim crow. it made me so angry that i had to try to get in. --ther thing i want to know

, the promise well that we need -- we always keep our promises. they made a promise to us 400 years ago. need to know what our history lynched,e we have been things.and all of those i could go on and on. learn the history. host: ok. kurt. texas. independent line. sayer: what i would like to

is it is time to stop this shutdown. i believe the solution is simple. all of these agencies that are saying it is wrong have attorneys. those attorneys need to write a class-action lawsuit naming members of congress and the for annt, and ask immediate freeze of all of their assets until they resolve this and use that money to fund all of these furloughed employees. thank you. host: from "the wall street journal," some foreign-policy stories. this is about afghanistan.

host: tampa florida -- tampa, florida, republican line. caller: this is --

is kind of a heinous thought, but could it be this administration is trying to inflict harm to not allow the recall of salmonella chicken to allow more deaths to make a political point? your thoughts? host: how do you make such a connection? it is the policy of this ,ountry to make sure that usda the way they processed foods, can be checks and balances, and make sure that if there is a recall that is needed, and could save lives, why wouldn't this administration allow these people to go back to work to continue their research to pinpoint lots that are causing problems that could cause harm to americans?

why is that not an urgent issue. they recalled the military folks. this is an emergency and they should treat it as one. from c.e. in next kentucky. guests was of your aboutg about and innuendo the 1%. it was about envy. the middle-class is pretty much extinct. it has nothing to do with envy. it has everything to do with fair and equitable treatment. everything to do with as employees continuing their

wealth, continuing to make them money by producing the products they are putting out there on the market, or serving people in restaurants, or made in a hotel room. it has everything to do with that and every thing to do at a living wage. and he has nothing to do with it. it is a right wing talking point from 2012. thank you. host: roy from grand prairie, texas, independent line. my name is roy and i am calling from texas. i have been watching this on tv, i think it is time to quit this propaganda and quit using -- we are going to take social security away from people . that is the way they should be. host: the front page of "the

financial times this morning" writing -- here is more from jay carney yesterday and reporters dealing with reaction from the president on what is being offered. [video clip] >> the president did call and speak with the speaker of the house not long ago, and the two of them agreed all sides need to keep talking on the issues here that are confronting us that

have led to a shutdown of the government, and to the situation that has put us on the precipice of a potential default, or at least reaching that line beyond which the united states government does not have roa and authority. -- borrowing authority. the president believes in his meetings yesterday with house republican leaders, and house and senate democrats there have been constructive talk -- thoughts. with house republicans in been ther there has thought that we need to remove default as a weapon in budget negotiations. the threat of default should not be used. default itself is never an option. host: again, the house of

representatives in at 9:30 a.m. today. we are taking your calls this on that or anything else as well. cb fromre is farmersville, texas. caller: you do not hear anyone discuss cutting out foreign aid that goes to countries that do not care for us. why are we spending tax dollars when we could be using it to pay our national debt instead of giving it away? --must be a taboo system something taboo about that question because you never hear about it in washington, d.c. it is always give me, give me,

give me. host: why is the topic important to you? caller: a should be used in the united states instead of somewhere else that does not even care for us. york.staten island, new caller: thank you for taking my .all one president obama was doing ,ll of this being to the public he used a comment in his remarks about the house, and one of the words that stuck out to me was which referred to how congress was taking this as an extremist act toward the american public. when i heard the president use

this term, it sent the message that he was having such a fight that the people who are supposed to be cooperating with him in settling this budget the affairs of government, his counterparts -- i really do not know how to say it, a what i am basically trying to say is that -- but what i am really trying to say is the government is playing a kid for cap with us, the american people -- tit for tat with us, the american people, and it is alarming to know the house is giving our president all of this fight all because of an act they want overturn that has already been implemented. host: pat is from pennsylvania. independent line. caller: good morning.

i just wanted to mention that they are trying to balance the budget on the backs of small people and small business, when in reality the business pays nothing. ge made 5.1 billion dollars in 2010 and paid zero taxes. small businesses have to pay their taxes. no wonder they are going under and cannot compete. it is astounding. now they are doing political distortion on a bill that has already passed. these folks have to be removed from office. host: michael from the trite, michigan, republican line -- detroit, michigan, republican line. caller: good morning. the quarrel over democrats and republicans [indiscernible] in people dying in

poverty. another side -- sending money outside of the united states is not good. israel, a country that is killing children and babies. friend wants to join the program if you do not mind. his name is alex. host: ray. democrats line. caller: good morning. i heard on talk radio last night that those of us who are retired and who are on social security, our medicare is going to go up $105 per retired person, and nobody is telling us this. host: how did you find out? caller: on talk radio last night.

host: did you cap -- check it out with other sources? caller: i did not. host: why is it important to you? i am retired, and a $105 taken out is going to be a problem. it is because of the affordable care act. host: here is true from nevada.

independent line. caller: good morning. i want to say there was a time when people in congress and the senate worked for free. they barely made anything at all. i would like to see all the current ones have their paychecks stop, the government perks stop, and freeze their assets so they can get half of what they are putting the rest of us through. any president, i do not care who they are, that gives in to blackmail by other side, will lose his right to be president in my book. thank you. 9:30 a.m. is the expected time for the house of representatives to come in, if you want to repost it on what is going on, c-span.org is our website. you can look for the latest

information & video from the hearings this week and events that took place. are in forrs saturday's session, as the front page says there. henry. toledo, ohio. republicans line. caller: good morning. god bless c-span, our president and leaders in washington. sectionticle four, four, u.s. constitution, we are . republic anyone that cause us a democracy is calling our founders liars. stuffeople quoting the linsky-lites. it says never let a crisis go to

waste and blame others. that headstone of socialism is the control of health care. in order to have a communist, regressive, socialist state, you must control the people and control their health care. then you can control the people completely. up, people. we are a representative republic. learn what a republican government is. host: sharon from gaffney, south carolina. caller: good morning. the lady that spoke just before this gentleman, and i -- i agree with her wholeheartedly, and that is my problem. i understand that they talked about canceling their wages, and they said it could not be done because of the 27th amendment. then, i would like some kind of congressman, representative,

president, step up and say repeal the 27th amendment. not only should they not get a salary, they should not have the perks. if they want to mail a letter, they buy a stamp. if they want to drive a car, they drive their own. they do not have drivers. they do not need protection. they need to be able to protect themselves just like everybody else, with one exception. they caused this, so when it is over, they do not get back pain. host: the president making comments about proposals in his weekly address. "the hill" writes it up this morning that he signaled saturday he would not accept the republican offer for a short- term increase. saying

evelyn. is joining us before we go to the house of representatives in a few minutes. independent line. good morning. caller: my concern is if we are trying to save so much money, why are we allowing women to have children repeatedly and sit around the house and collect so much money on welfare when we should be focused on reforming them and utilizing the money properly? from david is up next owens crossroads. good morning. caller: hello. i have a two-part statement. of heated by this

health care. i am looking see what information i could gather, and the way this thing was presented to us that it was not a tax, and the supreme court said it is only legal because it is a tax, when easy to be deceived the president tells us it is not a tax. it seems as a progressive penalty it will be a huge burden on middle-income families that might be right on the edge of being able to afford it, and if they are not able to afford it, they have to pay the penalty. it looks like it will be a burden to them in the future. i'm not sure that if it continues to go -- that they realize that if he continues to go the route it is going, they will owe money, it will come out of their earned income tax credit, they will have to pay the penalty, and they will still be expected to purchase the

insurance. host: david, that will be the last call that we take. the house of representatives and the senate meeting today to discuss issues. as for right now, we take you to the house. r pro tempore: the house will be in order. the chair lays before the house a communication from the speaker. the clerk: the speaker's room, washington, d.c., october 12, 2013. i hereby appoint the honorable jason chaffetz to act as speaker pro tempore on this day. signed, john a. boehner, speaker of the house of representatives. the speaker pro tempore: the prayer will be offered by our chaplain, father conroy. haplain conroy: let us pray. loving god, we give you thanks for giving us another day. we thank you for your ongoing presence and sustaining grace in us all and your concern for

our nation. continue to bless and inspire the members of the people's house. may they be encouraged in the movement that has occurred and may the hopes and prayers of the american people and indeed the world that a break in our current impasse may be imminent be fulfilled. forgive our failures. forgive our lack of faith. may the good intentions of all acting in this house be rewarded by solutions to our struggles that benefit our nation. may all that is done this day be for your greater honor and glory. amen. the speaker pro tempore: the chair has examined the journal of the last day's proceedings and announces to the house his approval thereof. pursuant to clause 1 of rule 1 the journal stands approved. the pledge of allegiance will

be led by the gentlewoman from ohio, ms. kaptur. ms. kaptur: i ask all present to join us. i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. the speaker pro tempore: the chair will now entertain requests for one-minute seaches on each side of the aisle. -- speeches on each side of the aisle. for what purpose does the gentleman from texas rise? mr. poe: i request unanimous consent to address the house for one minute and to revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. poe: mr. speaker, the mall and the memorials on the mall e public places, open 24 hours a day. but the park has closed them. but the park service discriminates who exercises the first amendment and who may not. it allowed a free speech

immigration rally on the mall but denied people access to the world war ii memorial. this is arbitrary. thus, constitutionally unlawful. the park service forgets also that the first amendment includes the right of the people to peaceably assemble. the supreme court sometimes limits the first amendment, citing a compelling state interest, even though the first amendment doesn't really give that exception. the government's compelling state interest here, lack of money. does this mean anytime the government claims it has no funds it can shut down the first amendment, deny the right to peaceably assemble? i think not. this excuse is ludicrous, unlawful, arbitrary and in practice it discriminates. the first amendment was written to prevent this very type of action by government. let the people assemble, take the barricades and constitutional oppression down. and that's just the way it is. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentlewoman from ohio seek recognition?

ms. kaptur: i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentlewoman is recognized for one minute. ms. kaptur: mr. speaker, i rise today to call on house republicans to end the federal government shutdown. the shutdown is causing significant negative impacts on our economy, jobs and consumer confidence across our country. the number of people applying for unemployment benefits jumped by 66,000 this week. local economies across our nation are losing $76 million a day from people not able to visit our nation's parks. just in one location, the closing of zion national park in utah has cost the surrounding community over $3.5 million in lost visitor spending. the head start program already has turned away over 7,000 children across this country, and u.s. consumer confidence is detear yor -- has deteriorated in october to the weakest in

nine months since the first federal shutdown over 17 years ago. the federal shutdown is stalling almost 130 highway and bridge projects in 35 states. we need more jobs. mr. speaker, let's end this uncertainty for our nation. let's stop the battering of jobs in this economy. bring a clean continuing resolution to the floor and reopen the government of the united states. the speaker pro tempore: the entlewoman's time has expired. if we could ask all members to refrain from conversations on the floor as we conduct these one minutes. for what purpose does the gentlewoman from north carolina seek recognition? ms. foxx: i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute, mr. speaker. but the house is not in order. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is correct. if the house will maintain order, we'd ask members to refrain from conversations on the floor. without objection, the gentlewoman is recognized for

one minute. ms. foxx: mr. speaker, it is time for solutions, end the government shutdown and every day house republicans are working to shape a bipartisan agreement to reopen the federal government and restore services for the american people. mr. speaker, the house is not in order. the speaker pro tempore: the entlewoman is correct. mr. hoyer: mr. speaker, a point of parliamentary information. the members are trying to open the government. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is not recognized. the house will be in order. the gentlewoman may proceed. ms. foxx: while the senate has refused to talk, house republicans are trying to restore services that should be open and running for north carolinians for all americans. republicans and democrats in the house of representatives passed 15 separate measures to

pay our military, restore the w.i.c. program, open national parks and end delays to veteran benefit applications, among other things. like my constituents, i think the gridlock in washington needs to stop. to have any hope of solving the challenges before us, be it this shutdown or a debt crisis, democrats can't simply refuse to negotiate. they have to be willing to work together. divided government demands bipartisan solutions. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman yields back. for what purpose does the gentleman from california seek recognition? >> mr. speaker, i rise to ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. >> day number 12. mr. speaker, today is the 12th day of the government shutdown and one day closer to defaulting on our debt. mr. bera: mr. speaker, in the history of our great nation, we've never not paid our bills. we're americans. we always pay our bills. mr. speaker, enough with the

gamesmanship, the finger-pointing, the name calling. it's time to get back to business. mr. speaker, we can do it in three easy steps. step one, let's open the government. step two, let's pay our bills. and step three, let's negotiate a real budget that begins to rebuild jobs and an economy that rebuilds middle-class america. mr. speaker, everyone wins. especially the american people. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. for what purpose does the gentlewoman from new hampshire eek recognition? without objection, the gentlewoman is recognized for one minute. ms. shea-porter: thank you, mr. speaker. in new hampshire and across our

country, we continue to -- ms. kuster: thank you, mr. speaker. in new hampshire and across our country, we continue to see a damaged economy. every day i am speaking with mayors, business owners and constituents in my district to hear how washington's inability to do its job is hurting their ability to do their job. this week i held a teletown hall and heard why the leadership in this congress can't simply fix this problem that's hurting our state and our economy. our banks, planning for potential default instead of focusing on serving families and businesses in new hampshire. the small business administration has frozen loans to general small businesses. it is threaten funding that keeps families in homes and

infuses millions of dollars into our community. every day this shutdown continues is a day that congress does not focus on the economy and the middle class. mr. speaker, let us vote to open the government. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from washington seek recognition? >> i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. >> thank you, mr. speaker. the reason dozens of my colleagues are here is to reopen government. mr. kilmer: too often during this shutdown, the discussion of this shutdown is -- what's lost is the real hardship that's faced by the people we represent. i heard from a woman this week who told me she was attempting to find a job and move her family out of a shelter. she put in the work to make the necessary appointments, she filled out the paperwork for a

housing voucher, set up a job interview and was given an opportunity. let's talk about how this shutdown affected her. she can't be brought onto the job. no one can because the job relies on a government contract that's on hold in this shutdown. she can't move into permanent and safe housing because her housing voucher can't be processed during this government shutdown. there are others. i spoke with the leaders of the emergency food network in tacoma who said that as this shutdown continues and as funding for women, infant and children nutrition deteriorates, they're struggling to provide baby formula. we need to reopen this formula. it's harming our economy and it's straining the social fabric of our country. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentleman from minnesota seek recognition? >> to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. ellison: mr. speaker, i am looking forward to joining my colleagues in that line to sign

a discharge petition that will reopen government. not with conditions, not on the condition that we want this thing or we want that thing or we want to open the -- won't open the government until we get it, but just to open the government with no conditions. my republican friends know very well that this shutdown is for one reason and one reason only. it is because they wanted to delay, defund, destroy health care for the american people and they're ready to destroy the american economy unless they get it. we don't have to go through this long line. we can open up the government in 15 minutes if speaker boehner puts a clean continuing resolution on the floor right now. let's get it done. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. for what purpose does the gentleman from idaho seek recognition? mr. simpson: mr. speaker, pursuant to house resolution 37 1, i call up joint resolution

h.j.res. 80, a joint resolution making continuing appropriations for the bureau of independent & affairs, bureau of indian education, health services for fiscal year 2014 and for other purposes and ask for its immediate consideration. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the title of the joint resolution. the clerk: house joint resolution 80, joint resolution making continuing appropriations for the bureau of indian affairs, the bureau of indian education, and the indian health service for fiscal year 2014, and for other urposes. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to house resolution 371, the joint resolution is considered as read. the joint resolution shall be debatable for 40 minutes equally divided and controlled by the chair and ranking minority member of the committee on appropriations. the gentleman from idaho, mr. simpson, and the gentlewoman from new york, mrs. lowey, will each control 20 minutes. the chair recognizes the gentleman from idaho. mr. simpson: mr. speaker, i ask

unanimous consent that all members may have five legislative days to revise and extend their remarks and include extraneous material on h.j.res. 80 and that i may include tabular material on the same. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, so ordered. simpson -- the gentleman will suspend. the house will be in order. and ask first that members lear the well. does the gentleman from idaho yield to the gentlewoman for a parliamentary inquiry? mr. simpson: i'd yield for a parliamentary inquiry. ms. jackson lee: is it in order to put the clean bill on the floor from the senate to open the government? the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman has not stated a proper parliamentary inquiry. ms. jackson lee: is it appropriate -- the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from idaho is recognized. mr. simpson: thank you, mr. speaker. i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. simpson: mr. speaker, i rise today in support of this important legislation, to continue funding for the bureau of indian affairs and indian

education and indian health services. this bill focuses on education, law enforcement, health care and many other vital services to american indians and alaskan natives. mr. speaker, for long ago the federal government made treaty commitments to american indians who in return ceded the vast lands that make up the united states today. visit any indian reservation today and you'll quickly realize that the federal government has not lived up close to its end of the bargain. my colleagues on both subcommittees on both sides of the aisle and mr. moran and mr. dicks that chaired this committee have been working hard over the years -- over the past several years to address the critical needs and challenges in indian country. even in declining budget environments on a bipartisan basis, our committee continues to make funding for indian country a priority. why i doubt my friends

and colleagues on the other side of the aisle will oppose the merits of the bill. they might oppose the strategy but they probably won't oppose the merits of the bill as something we agree on on a bipartisan bay bipartisan basis. for the past 11 days the house has abeen tempting to reopen the government without further delay and without trying to extract any further concessions from the senate or president. mr. speaker, you can't go wrong by trying to do the right thing. right here, right now, those of us who care about indian country have been given the opportunity to do the right thing. let's not waste this opportunity, pointing fingers and arguing over everything other than the topic at hand. the topic at hand is indian health, indian education, and the b.i.a. this is the hand we have been dealt. let's do the right thing. i encourage my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to support this resolution. i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the chair will recognize the

gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: i'd like to ask unanimous consent that i be able to control the time. i guess there is a parliamentary procedure. does mrs. lowey have to request that? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. moran: thank you very much, mr. speaker. i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. moran: thank you, mr. speaker. here we go again. each day the gaping wound of the government shutdown represents grows bigger and the house republican response continues to be these little band-aid. of course we on the democratic side want to see all native american programs funded. the other side knows that. and in fact, this has been one area where we have achieved bipartisan agreement. both chairman simpson, i want to particularly mention mr. cole on

our subcommittee, myself, ms. mccollum, all of us have tried to put as much money as possible given very severe fiscal constraints to native american programs. but this bill that's on the floor today in fact doesn't state -- doesn't serve its stated purpose. we are going to hear from house republicans what this latest band-aid temporarily funds, but here is just some of the native american programs and offices that are not funded by this resolution. native american education programs that are funded by the department of education. native american law enforcement programs funded by the department of justice. the programs to carry out the violence against women act. that's an area we had achieved finally bipartisan agreement.

this doesn't allow us the funds to carry out that program. native american social service programs that are funded by the -- >> mr. speaker, the house is not in order. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is correct. members will please tear their conversations from the floor and -- take their conversations from the floor and clear the well. the gentleman may continue. mr. moran: thank you, mr. speaker. i understand that this is a very trying day for all of the american people, and that colleagues feel that as well. i'm happy to speak through the interruption. but i do want to make the point these native american social service programs that are so important to the american indians, particularly on our reservations, are not funded by this bill. childcare, temporary assistance to needy families, because they are funded by the department of health and human services. native american housing

programs, funded by the department of housing and urban development. h.u.d. has the highest percentage, almost 100% of its employees are furloughed. still, what is this the 11th day, mr. speaker? that was a rhetorical question. mr. speaker, while this resolution temporarily funds the bureau of indian affairs and bureau of indian education, it fails to fund the office of the assistant secretary for indian affairs, which oversees those agencies. we are not even willing to fund the office that's responsible for managing the programs that we purport to fund today. what about the office of the special trustee which administers $3.7 billion in tribal funds and $728 million in individual indian accounts. that's not funded either. let's not be deluded that this is going to fix the situation with regard to the -- our native

americans. that's why a number of tribes have opposed this way of doing it. they want all the government to open up. because it is their government as well. mr. speaker, the underlying basis for the republican shutdown of the government has been an irrational and intransigent opposition to the affordable care act. that's how it started. house republicans voted 43 times to repeal the affordable care act. at the same time they were voting to repeal the permanent re-authorization of the indian health care improvement act. every time the other side voted to repeal the affordable care act, they were voting to repeal the determine re-authorization of the indian health care act. as well as voting to repeal many new programs that are contained in the affordable care act that are designed to assist indian health -- indian health service

in meeting its mission to raise the health status of native americans. these 43 attempts to repeal the affordable care act and shutting down of government is all the more disheartening because we in the subcommittee on interior and environment have so strongly supported native american programs. unlike what we have seen in the last week of certain members come to the floor to claim support for n.i.h., head start, all of which we strongly support, even as members have pushed sequester and proposed additional cuts to these programs in 2014, on the other side, this subcommittee has a bipartisan commitment to native american programs. that's something we should be proud of. and this subcommittee, i know, does not want to go about funding native american programs in this manner. it's a halfhearted band-aid approach. it's strong. we need to fund all native

american, we need to fund all federal government. it's long past time for this shutdown to end. let's release all the federal employees that have been taken hostage. let's reopen the people's government. i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the entleman reserves. the gentleman from idaho. mr. simpson: it's my pleasure to yield three minutes to the gentleman from washington, the chairman of the natural resources committee, mr. hastings. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for three minutes. mr. hastings: thank you very much, mr. speaker. i thank the gentleman for yielding. i rise today in full support of this resolution to fund the bureau of indian affairs. while house republicans continue to offer solutions to end this government shutdown, we will continue also to take steps to provide funding for important areas of our government. this measure fulfills the congress' unique responsibility to fund programs vital to indian tribes and alaska natives. there are 56 million acres of

indian trust lands in the united states. unlike other privately owned lands, in most cases indian trust lands may not be leased for development purpose without approval of the secretary of the interior. these lands are critical for indian tribes to create jobs and generate revenue for their reservation economies. for example, in my central washington district, two tribes are major producers of timber that employ hundreds of people and produce income for tribal governments and thousands of individual members. in other parts of the country, tribes utilize their trust lands for oil, natural gas, and coal development, and a variety of business leasing and housing. it is critical to ensure continued funding for the bureau of indian affairs to perform functions necessary for tribes and individual landowners to lease and develop their lands. the joint resolution additionally provides funding for the indian health service programs. while direct care for accuse and

chronic health conditions is being provided to the american indians during the shutdown, other services have been scaled back. it is critical these be restored to normal operations. the president repeatedly stresses the importance of the united states' unique relations with indian tribes. he now has the opportunity, mr. speaker, to match his rhetoric with action by supporting the passage of this resolution and signing it into law. i thank the gentleman for yielding. i yield back to the chairman. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from idaho reserves the balance of his time. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, it's my great pleasure right now to yield two minutes to the ranking member of the full appropriations committee, mrs. nita lowey, from new york. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is recognized for two minutes. mrs. lowey: mr. speaker, i rise in opposition to the republican shutdown. of course we support funding for indian education and health services.

unfortunately, the house hasn't had the opportunity to approval funding for these programs this year because the majority did not have the courage of their convictions to bring their f.y. 2014 interior and environment, on the labor-h.h.s. appropriation bills to the house floor. don't for a moment think that today's bill fulfills their commitments to native americans. under this bill they will still not receive funding they are due from the departments of justice and the department of education. this is nothing more than a republican ploy, and the claim that democrats are not negotiating is absolutely false. house republicans wrote a bill, sent it to the senate, the senate adopted the motion -- the most important part of it, the funding level, anti-president

agreed to sign it, even though democrats wanted greater investments to support economic growth, jobs. the only thing democrats oppose are irresponsible efforts to put health care decisions back in the hands of insurance companies. which has nothing to do with keeping the government opened. that is democracy. that is negotiation. we have done more than meet in the middle, but the republicans now say no to their own bill. we could end the shut down today if the majority would only support a reasonable solution to allow a vote on the republican written senate-passed bill. vote no, demand a house vote to immediately end the reckless republican shutdown. yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman yields back. the gentleman from virginia reserves the balance of his time.

the gentleman from idaho. mr. simpson: it's my pleasure to yield a minute and a half to gentleman from montana, mr. daines. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for 1:30 seconds. mr. daines: i rise to support to appropriate funds for the bureau of indian education today because our native americans cannot sustain another day of this washington gridlock. in my home state of montana, we have seven indian reservations, and also the state recognized little shaw tribe. we are now working on getting recognition for them. native americans encompass 6% of montana's population. on a reservation, unemployment can rise as high as 50%. the indian health service, the bureau of indian affairs, and education can literally be life line for many. earlier this year, when i visited the college, i learned about their slogan grounded in

tradition, charging into the future. our reservations want to be self-sustaining without adequate health services, education, and economic opportunities, that goal is unattainable. i want our native american to be able to thrive in my home state of montana. that's why i support this resolution today. i yield back my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from idaho reserves the balance of his time. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i'd like to inquire how much time we have on both sides. remaining in the debate. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from virginia has 12 1/2 minutes. the gentleman from idaho has 14 1/2 minutes. mr. moran: at this time i'd like to yield two minutes to the gentlelady from minnesota, the chair of the indian caucus, miss betty mccollum -- ms. betty mccollum. ms. mccollum: mr. speaker, the house not in order.

the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is correct. if members would please remain from conversations on the floor. the gentlewoman is recognized. mitts mccollum -- ms. mccollum: i rise today to oppose this bill. as democratic co-chair of the native american caucus, i'm here to promote respect for tribal sovereignty, to fight for the needs of native american families, and to call our federal government to uphold its trust and treaty obligations. mr. paul, my republican co-chair, ranking member moran, and mr. simpson, the author of this legislation, shir those very same goals. . but i think the bill before us today doesn't meet the needs of indian country. the national conference of american indians has asked us to, quote, reopen government operations for all federal agencies that meet trust and treaty obligations to tribal nations and to stop the sequester of 2014.