talking about this situation here. and i have a brother that works at a food facility that they have safety rules. they go by and then fully reward it for being safety-conscious about the food that their hands are in contact with. they wear gloves, they wear hair nets, everything. and sometimes things do slip through, and i don't think that the government can really see everything that picks through, because it's very hard to pick out one source. >> mark, i think that's exactly right. food safety is a shared responsibility. we have -- the industry plays a central role. but, you know, we all drive

cars, and if we know that there is a cop sitting at the top of a certain hill, that's going to affect our driving. it's the same thing with food inspection. if you know that there is an inspector sitting somewhere, whether it's in your plant or whether it's somebody who could just knock at your door, you're probably going to operate at a little bit higher level of safety than you would otherwise. i'm glad to hear that where your brother works has those programs in place, but they may be there, in fact, because they know that there's a cop on the beat somewhere that may be checking them. i thought i read 13 different agencies that deal with food inspections. >> that's correct. there are a number of different agencies at the federal level, and that doesn't even count the fact that we rely heavily on

state inspection of certain food facilities. where meat and poultry is inspected every single day, other food plants are inspected periodically. but they can be inspected by a federal inspector, inspected by a state inspector, and they don't know when they're going to be inspected. so i think it keeps everybody operating at a higher level of defensiveness. they want to make sure they've got the programs in place and those mistakes don't happen. host: would there be a value of taking the 13 and condensing them? guest: absolutely. cspi has long regular gate for a one agency, keeping c.d.c.'s job where it is, but having the job of f.d.a. and usda be condensed. but right now, that hasn't happened. we do have a new law that will improve food safety regulation

at the food and drug administration, so we're working hard to see that that's implemented effectively. host: linda and from room husband, michigan, democrats line. hi. caller: hi. how are you? guest: good. hi, linda. caller: hi. i was listening with interest about the food safety program. i work for one of the major agencies within the government that is responsible for food inspections in this country. my problem is, with the state inspectors, although they do a fabulous job in what they trained, their level of inspection is totally different from a federal inspector, and we need to be careful how much we rely on state inspections. they need to be hand in hand, partnership is always good.

however, sometimes things are not caught simply because there's a different type of training and level of inspection that is required by the state versus federal government. zpwoip linda, i'm going to go one step further, and i might irritate some of our state inspector colleagues for whomive the utmost respect. but politics is everywhere, and these food facilities are really big employers in those areas. so it becomes very important to have an independent agency at the federal level that can step in, for any reason, a state agency isn't doing a good enough job. so you've pointed out there may be differences in training or education, and that's important.

but we really rely heavily on the federal government to keep this system working, and that's why it's really quite alarming right now that so many of the federal employees in this system are not working right now. host: john from florida joins us on our republican line. john, good morning. caller: good morning. i wanted to touch base a little bit about the hormones used in food now, and why in so many other countries they don't use them, and in this country we're using so many, you know, to grow the chickening bigger, fatter, plumper. we're getting to where you look at the average 8-year-old kid, and they're 12 pounds, 20 pounds overweight. why don't we step in and say enough is enough? and that's it?

guest: that is such an excellent point. we don't use hormones in chickens, but they are used in other animals. and there are a whole theories of -- a whole series of different drugs, the antibiotic being one of them, but these other drugs as well that are just designed to help the animals grow. they're not therapeutic. they're not for sick animals that require treatment. they're for healthy animals to speed their production, to speed their growth so they can be slaughtered faster and arrive on our dinner tables. i think a lot of americans are not aware of how much the food industry is relying on these drugs, and i think that we need to make people more aware. the good news, john, is that you do have a choice, if you buy organic meet, you can avoid

those drugs. but, you know, it costs a lot more, and i think the food industry could be doing a better job of growing animals in a way that does not raise these problems. i just want to bring up one or example. there was a lot of interest in the fact that one of our major pork producers, smithfield, was bought by a chinese company recently. well, they came in and talked to us, and the chinese are very interested in getting pork not raised with some of these drugs. there's a particular drug that the chinese don't want to buy animals that are treated with that drug oregon moneys or other drugs, and smithfield has three different facilities that are completely producing without the

use of these drugs. so the fact that they can do that for chinese consumers, but not for u.s. consumers, is really pretty interesting. the bottom line is that's what the chinese are demanding. i think if our consumers demanded drug-free food, we could get it too. host: we have a viewer who asked to you explain the risk of cross contamination that's not eliminated by fully cooking poultry. guest: sure. foster farms and the usda have both said now that this is not there's not a recall. these products are harmful, but not adultrated, and therefore, it's up to consumers to protect themselves. host: so it's still on the shelf? guest: that's right. you can still buy these products, bring home the pathogens, and what you have to

do in your kitchen to make sure you don't spread those germs is pretty much treat them like a hazardous material. that means you need to be washing your hands any time you're touching them. the package can be contaminated. you need to make sure no juices from the surface of the poultry or from anything that touches the surface of the poultry, none of those juices can spread to other food items or your hands where it could make you sick. we shouldn't have to treat our food like it's hazardous waste or hazardous material, but with this chicken, we actually believe that the salmonella in this chicken is too hot for consumers to handle in their kitchens, and we really would urge foster farms to recall these products. host: next up is steve from jacksonville, north carolina, republican line.

hello. caller: yes, good morning. i find this, first of all, disturbing any time that, you know, someone becomes ill from a product that a business sales or distributes throughout the united states, but i was in the grocery industry for 30 years. we had standards that we had to meet every day in sanitation. our employees did it, and we did it continually. all the sudden now because. shutdown we have this company that supposedly has sent out tainted meat, has caused people to be ill because the f.d.a. is not fully staffed. i think 99% of the outbreaks we had, they were fully staffed. i find it comical almost that because the government is not fully staffed, nothing is getting done. these companies don't intend on hurting people when they deliver a product. they do it to the standards that the f.d.a. tells them. they have inspectors at the state level. they have inspectors from the federal level. and we do it every day.

we never know when these people are coming. it's like chicken little, the sky is falling, because we don't have an inspector coming out. i remember the peanut butter plant in georgia. it wasn't inspected by the state, wasn't inspected by the federal government for seven or eight years. but yet their nice lady is coming on and satisfying because of the shutdown we have less inspectors, therefore, nothing is getting done,¬hing is sanitized or safe for our public. host: ok, caller. guest: i don't think i said those things. the bottom line is that this particular outbreak was going on and was being investigated prior to the shutdown. the announcement after the shutdown was because usda had new sampling data that was just getting processed that informed them that there was a serious public health risk coming out of these three facilities. what i worry about, though, is that outbreaks that are

happening right now, the signals for those outbreaks would be coming up through the states to the c.d.c., but we don't have the analysts and epidemiologists to run those analyses. i agree with your caller, pedro, that there is a lot done at the industry level to protect the safety of our food, and it's very important that that continues. host: what about foreign foods? how are they inspected? guest: so foreign foods are imported to the u.s. if it's meat and poultry, it is subject to fairly intensive inspection, both in the country of origin and also they do a follow-up border inspection that's pretty comprehensive. at f.d.a., they don't have those systems in place yet. so right now we shift food from

all over the world, it can come in, these are non-meat and poultry products. they can come in through any number of ports of entry. there may not even be an f.d.a. inspector there right now. there aren't f.d.a. food inspectors at our borders. and at the best of times, f.d.a. is only checking about 2% of those products coming across the border. so the food safety modernization act is going to change that system, so we have a lot more assurance that the people who import our food are making sure that it's safe. but that law is really in the implementation phase. it hasn't been adopted yet. host: we have a viewer who says it should want be the government who pays for the inspection, it should be in the price.

guest: right now, most of our food safety inspections are paid for by taxpayers. this is -- these are programs that have a common good. we all rely on them to ensure the safety of what we eat, and, you know, a few cents of our tax dollars would go to help fund those programs. but they have traditionally been really underfunded, especially those covering foods other than meat and poultry. host: do large food companies, or maybe even all, have some type of sway over the inspection process? guest: the food companies have a lot of interest in the inspection process. they are very active in lobbying members of congress and lobbying members of the administration on how inspections should be done.

i think that there is a lot to learn from people in the food industry. so i'm not somebody who thinks that, you know, government good, industry bad. i think that it's very important that everyone be listening, because there is a common agenda. safe food is a common agenda. and agree with one of your callers who said, i think it was the last one, steve, who said food -- the industry itself wants to produce safe product, and i believe that, truly. so i think there's a lot to learn, but it's like that cop at the top of the hill. you know, you may not be the one speeding, but you want to make sure that the others aren't speeding as well. host: caroline smith dewaal from the center for science in the public interest to talk about food inspections.

here's toni pittsburgh, pennsylvania, democrats line. caller: thank you for taking my call. yes, i sort of agree with the last caller about how it is sinful that we have to handle something that we need to eat in such a drastic way. why is this chicken still allowed to be on the market, and who is allowing it to stay on the market? it all goes back to the shutdown, because i was watching this value summit yesterday where they were saying how they valued the people in the united states and christianity and all of that. however, is it valuable for the country to be shut down, millions of people out of work? it is ok to say, ok, we can waste money, and we can waste

people's time, but it's not ok to help those who are the least of us. jesus himself said what you do to the least of us you do unto me. host: thanks, caller. guest: i couldn't agree with you more that keeping people at home who want to be on the job protecting public health is really very, very troubling. it's critically important that we get these public health officials back to work. and one thing the congress passed a bill that would just put f.d.a. people back to work. and if you really understand the system, that is not good enough. we need the people back at work at the c.d.c., f.d.a., because the three agencies work together right now to too the best job they can in terms of policing

the food industry and ensuring the food is as safe as it can be. certainly the system, when it's working, even when it's working perfectly, is not perfect, but it's just really troubling to have people who are professionals and want to do this job at home. agree with you, let's get people back to work. host: her organization spent a letter to both speaker boehner and nancy pelosi. any response or at least comments? guest: no, we haven't gotten a response, and they did actually pass the -- the house did pass the bill just to get f.d.a. staff back to work, but frankly, that's not good enough. we need everybody. we need the whole group of people at c.d.c., f.d.a. back doing their job.

after all, we're paying them. i mean, congress has agreed that these federal employees will largely be paid. i think the bill hasn't passed the senate yet, but it's not the intent to withhold the salaries from these federal employees, so why can't they go back to work? you know, it's like a lockout. we're locking out the very people whose job it is to protect us. i must say, i'm somewhat angry about this because the risk to the consumer is so large during the shutdown. host: a couple more calls. this is colleen, fort myers, florida, republican line, hi. caller: good morning. this is colleen, and thank you for my call. i'm just doing a little follow- up right now as to what the lady had just said about that we need to have more people policing things. it's ironic that the police are

still on board as far as working and the firemen and all those, even though they're on furlough. we already know that those employees are going to be paid after they do get back to work, and since the three agencies need to be policing us for protection of the food industry, for people that are naive what needs to be taken care of with proper, oh, taking care of their food right before they took it, etc., that they need to have everyone back, plus more, because everyone knows that greed will speak first if there isn't a policeman watching. and another thing i would like to say, as far as the hormones go, if you take a look at how much taller people have been since they've been putting the hormones in the beef -- well, i was born in 1957, since around,

i think it was the 1960's they started putting the hormones in beef to make them grow faster, so it is affecting us as far as growing up, and it's really surprising to me that's never been mentioned. host: caller, thanks. guest: i think it is absolutely correct that everybody plays a role in food safety. so food safety is going to start at the point of production, whether that's on the farm or in the factory. the government plays a big role, and then consumers also play a role in their kitchen. but consumers shouldn't be asked to handle this. it's simply not safe to put really dangerous pathogens into consumers' kitchens. they're not sterile environments, and consumers

aren't really trained to manage these pathogens. the center for science in the public interest petitioned the usda two years ago to declare antibiotic-resistant salmonella as adulterant. that would allow the usda to recall these products on the basis of a simple test if they tested the product and found these strains of antibiotic- resist absent salmonella, usda could recall that product. right now, they told us they're not recalling the foster farm product because they don't have enough evidence of a direct link between a single consumer who got ill and a package of meat and then the production lot and date that that meat was produced. without those details, they can't issue a recall. well, a salmonella that was

antibiotic-resistant was de clared an adulterant, they wouldn't need those hoops. they would simply be able to do the job they need to do on the basis of a test. host: greg from michigan, democrats line, hi. caller: hi, thank you. my first time calling, and i just want to bring up the fact that not only do we need to have the government and everybody else doing the inspection, but i think we need to educate the individuals as well on cross- contamination and things of how they store things in their refrigerators and that. i worked in food business since the 1970's, and one of the things that we were always taught was how to prevent things and how to store the food and everything, and when i go to somebody's house and i help cook and things like that, i noticed that they have to rearrange

things because we store things the wrong way. and we don't clean -- and the cleaning is -- how important cleaning . guest: there is a lot that can be done on the education on handling meat and poultry products. we are an information society. and it is very hard to pick and choose how people are going to be educated. i would recommend that consumers who have any questions about how to handle their products that they go to the internet, and they look up handling advice. you can get a lot of good handling advice off the internet right now. but guess what?

the government websites that would help to advise you in the event of an outbreak like foster farms, those websites are not being updated right now. because of the government shutdown. so we have a communications gap that is happening at the u.s. government because basic out.rmation that should go kart host: time for one more call. art, decatur, georgia. caller: i just got out of the hospital for e. coli, and fortunately it was not in my blood. my suspect was chicken, but it was too late. usually when i buy fried chicken from the store, i will reheat it, and i did not do it that time, and i noticed it was more red, so i cannot identify the culprit, but at the same time,

the question i have is how different is salmonella and e. coli and can you use hydrogen grade peroxide to handle chicken or meat in the household? guest: there are a number of questions there that are important to get to, and first of all, i am really sorry to hear about your illness. i do not think hydrogen peroxide is recommended, but you could go to our website, and we have a report called risky meets and as part of that report, we have handling advice for our consumers. you can download a fact sheet and it will tell you how to --

>> the house has gaveled out. the senate can come in at any point. a vote in the senate failed to raise the debt ceiling until next year. that is a measure that senator collins of maine was working on. talks have stalled between the house and president obama. we want to hear what you have to say about the government shut down. we will take your calls in a moment. democrats in the senate are expected to speak any time now. but while we wait for them to show up here in the capitol, we are going to take your calls. the numbers are on your screen, and if you are joining us by c- span radio, those numbers are for republicans -- 3885.85- 585-3886.rats -- 202- let us know of what you think of the affordable care act and some

of the health exchanges that opened a couple of weeks ago. of course, the continuing come in shutdown and 812 -- the continuing government shutdown in day 12. you can join us on twitter. while we are waiting for your phone calls, i will read a couple from viewers. daniel says "this country has had enough continuing resolutions passed. an actual budget needs to be past this and every fiscal year." " senate and house democrats are fully responsible for this democratic shutdown> they have rejected multiple offers to end the shutdown. the affordable care act law is at fault for shutting down the government. let us know what you are thinking about what has been going on on capitol hill, how it is affecting your life. thomas is calling from ohio. you are on the democrats line in

on the line. go ahead. caller: this is thomas preston. i was calling about this here shutdown. have neverfdb been happening. and it has gone on for 12 days, i understand. and i feel like the men responsible for it should have to pay towo years of his them. to and the rest of them that is against it and for the shutdown, they should have to pay one year. and i feel like that we have been mistreated, and i feel like this obamacare should be

updated. like roosevelt when the -- they took over hoover or after he got elected from hoover, he said he was working for the people. and hubert thank you so much. i want to get another call in here. louisiana, independent. what is on your mind? this is not to affect the louisiana food stamps. no one is doing the anywhere. have they told you why? have you usually take? the car andgo to

you swipe it. if there is not a balance? not even website will come up. you can get nobody on the phone. all it does is hang up on you. you're not here exactly why? it is due to the government shutdown. host: day 12. 3885blicans call 202-585- -- us as wellays join on twitter and use #cspanchat. hi margaret, republican. outer: i would like to find why they are griping about the chicken and everything and the other me? my father raise

chickens. thisare they talking about organic stuff? caller: are you talking about the food safety issue? host: yes. what have you been hearing? caller: i heard they were griping about the chicken and everything. people years ago a chickens way before they talked about the organic food. host: advocates that i would only fix part of the problem. so much relies on other agencies that need to be funded as well. linda is on the line from arkansas. hello.

caller: i just wanted to make a comment about what i have heard the last couple of days. is about how republicans changed one of the rules. that is what put everything up to the shot down being able to be done. said it is a democrat fault when that role was laid when a shutdown could happen. i know it is true. watched the rule committee. there were nine members and also republicans died in three or four of the democratic side. their even -- in

there even brought that up in a meeting. republicans need to mis listen more to that because the democrats are telling the truth. host: we're going to care for and the democrats in the senate. we're waiting for them to arrive here at the podium. they're supposed to speak. they postponed their remarks. once they do arrive we're going to take you and hear what they have to say. we are taking your phone calls. samantha is next on the line. go ahead. it looks like we lost samantha. we will go on to debbie and matthews, north carolina. you're on the republican line. i do not understand why

we cannot uphold amendment 28 of our constitution. it says that our government cannot put, and i know i am not wording it exactly. there obama care. they cannot do anything on this past the law that they do not uphold themselves. they're expected to do the same as us. why exemptions for the chosen few. i do not understand that. it is not so much that i think the republicans do not want people to have health care but we want people to have a choice. we should be able to have obamacare. if you do not want obama care, you should be able to not have obamacare. i do not have much in this world that i have any say over. i own terry lytle. most of our rights have been taken away.

all i have left is my own body. i feel it my options on that are running out. host: go ahead, johnny. i wonder what all the people in the office with think it they didn't get paid, you know? if they were going through what we are going through. if they know what we're going everything, they would open up the house and the government and raise the debt limit. host: what are you going through? wondering of my mom is gone against her and everything. all work for the government. they do not know what they are going to do and everything else. it's a sick.

host: we avoid default. it is unfortunate that the common sense debt limit increase was refused. have taken the threat of default off the table and given our nations businesses and the economy the certainty we need. that is from the white house. we are taking your calls on this 12th day of the shutdown am waiting to hear from senate democrats here in the capital. roger is up next. s? caller:our thought my thoughts exactly are i think they need to get their act together. i am on disability.

now they are talking about cutting out social security and everything else. they are to cut the food stamps. i think that if they would get in theeads together if it's somebody in there that knows what they're doing. host: another caller mentioned as well this program. earlier today the house move forward on the bar and dell. food stamps are part of that, deciding which portions will go to congress and what they will be looking to as they bring a farm bill on the house floor. fresnoo now to california. . caller: i called on this line because i am a republican.

i am also a food inspector for the federal government. everybody is talking about all the government them ploy ease that are sitting at home not working. we are working. we're are not getting paid. he was going to pay for the gasoline i had to put in my heart to go to work every day? who is going to pay for my pg&e? the people that are going to work are in the worst position in the people that aren't. at least the people who are going to work don't cap to expenditures -- don't have expenditures that we have that we are not getting paid for. when? what you have to go were you considered essential? caller: i am an essential employee. i'm very close to the foster farms contamination problem. i do not know if the government shut down has anything to do with that. i know it does slow down the

process in us getting information of people out to this. host: what was it like in your office is you got ready to prepare for the shutdown to take effect? caller: i joe barton office. i work in a slaughter floor. i'm one of the real people who do the work. what is it like? everyday we go to work wondering when we are going to get paid. if we're going to get paid. i would rather be furloughed and stay home and then at least i would not be occurring the expenses that i have tried to get back and forth to work with no paycheck. guest: we've got to leave it there. we're going to go where the senate democrats are about getting ready to speak. we see a number of lawmakers there including the speaker. this morning at 9:00 i met

with senator mcconnell. the meeting was set up last night late. thator mcconnell indicated has anator alexander the rulesmber and committee had worked. i called him and said what is going on. he short of the story is said i am representing senator mcconnell. asked ifthe evening he i would answer. enter at 9:00 this morning.

they were extremely cordial but very for limoneira. nothing conclusive. talking giveur some solace to the american people and to the world. this is not happen until now. senator mcconnell asked to meet with me. i was happy to do that or it they should be seen as something very positive. even though we do not have any aim done yet and a long way to go before that will happen. .hat is a relative term we're trying to figure out a way to go or word. collins is one my favorite senators, democrat or republican. suggested -- see

that she suggested and writing is not going to go any place at this stage. there are two good things in it. number one, it opens the government. number two, extends the debt ceiling. other than that there is little agreement with us. that beforeke sure you understand that we have some problems with that as does the white house with the collins senatori explained to mcconnell and alexander, and they are not doing us a favor by reopening the government. byy are not doing us a favor extending the debt ceiling. that is part of our job. openis why we have said

the government, let us pay our bills. we need to do that before we agreement on what goes on after that. this is not a concession. this is a sickly doing our jobs. this is four days away. that -- this is just our us doing ourst are doin job. this is four days away. i've a piece of legislation on the floor today to extend the debt ceiling per year. comprehend.or me to every republican outed against it. toe say it is a motion proceed. we will have 30 hours, use every minute that we want to to see if

we could come up with something. they just voted no. procedurally you know how it works. that is not easy to move forward. i cannot imagine why they did that. they're risking american jobs. none hundreds of thousands, millions of jobs. check, medicare he payments, even our military. saying we can privatize them. we want to reopen the government. we are putting good faith negotiations on a long-term budget. that is what we are working on.

>> people of america have seen this movie several times. the american damsel is tied to the tracks and the engine is bearing down. the question is whether or not congress at the last minute to come to the rescue and save this country. have saidme of them ultimately they will work it out. i think there is reason to believe that ultimately we will work it out. let's be honest where we are. we saw today on the senate floor. outcome out with a sad when it came to this vote. it is troubling to me that not a single republican stepped up to start the debate on whether or not we avoid the debt ceiling default in just four days. not a single republican would step forward. some have said that we are forward to this vote to vote no.

i do not understand her logic but that is what they said. before people give up hope, and hear the train whistle and wonder if this will end up in there areway, conversations going on with senators of both political parties. beyond what senator reid mentioned in his earlier meeting, there is an active conversation between republicans and democrats in the senate. why question mark we understand how important this is. we understand how much damage has been done to 800,000 furloughed federal employees. we realize the potential damage americans if we default on vista debt. this debt.

they have told us we are dealing with increases with interest rates on everybody. and the reputation of the united states will be damaged anyway it has never been damage. that is why i believe these conversations are underway and must proceed. we're going to continue to open up these channels and find a way to deal with this. it is troubling. it is heartbreaking to think we have reached this point. we are motivated not by what is good for the nation but the fact that the house republicans have utterly failed in leadership in terms of coming forward to coming up with a solution. now we have to except responsibility. >> first i would like to say that we had a very good caucus today. democrats were unified. aroundall united

the principles of paying our government. today breaks bad news and good news. motion news is that the to proceed so that we could pay our bills failed because it did not get the 60 votes or bipartisan support we hope. fire.s playing with we do not know when the markets will react to this. you can't say it will be no sooner than next thursday. i worry on monday that when the american markets open in, maybe because of this vote that they will start worrying and not only will the stock market go down and interest rate go up and value of the u.s. treasuries decline, it is very serious. it would have been a whole lot better if we could put this zero votes toe 100-

pay our bills. i do not happen. the meeting that senator reed and i had with senator mcconnell call give me a little bit of a cause for optimism. the clocks are in their very early stages. i believe senator mcconnell showed goodwill. i believe he wants to come to a solution. i believe he knows how serious it is to default. it will be the senate to that has to come to an agreement here. the house republicans seem so divided and in some disarray. they do not have a plan. at the end ofat the day, sooner rather than later, in a bipartisan way we thisome together and take

burden off the shoulders of the american worker, family, and american economy by coming up with a fair and reasonable solution. clear that we do not regard it as a concession to open up the government. we do not regard it as a concession to say we want to pay our bills. that is our job. we should all be doing our job. way to stickout a to those principles and come up with a bipartisan agreement. i'm considerably more optimistic today than i am yesterday as a result of our meetings and a result of many other things that have happened. we are all ready to roll up our sleeves and work to avoid this calamity. we are looking for our colleagues on the other side of the aisle to join us.

>>. are on a saturday when a lot of families are focused on football and what they will have for sunday morning brunch. we in congress have a responsibility to make sure they are not worried about their paychecks or about the economic future of this country or whether or not we are going to be able to work together. saytand here very strong to we aren't willing to work to -- we are willing to work together and we will pay our bills. it is extremely important to us. there are, stations going on that are critical eared we have to remember back to how we got here. critical.e we have to remember back to how we got here. so we can work on the broader issues we have disagreements about. house republicans decided they were going to take the obamacare hostage and shut down a government which has not led into a point where we are about

not to a our bills and hurt our economy. for have to stop asking hostages in order for our family to be ok. as democrats, we stand ready to negotiate. none of us believe we will get our way at the end of the day. we should not be holding our country and our families and our communities hostage any longer. standed republicans to up, past the continuing resolution, and then work with us on the challenges in front of us. very firm about what you will and will not accept in terms of this deal. he does not have much to deal. >> we should never have had the waste of time. be serious.

he has problems. i have problems. that is how arrangements are made. this is a piece of legislation. with aworking to come up compromise. we are not going to do that until the government reopens and there is a way to pay our bills. i have mcconnell and been in this body a long time. we have done things for a long time together. i know him. he knows me. we do not agree on everything. hips together a long time ago. wings together. we revamped government together. this is what this is all about. if we have clinical scientist commonre now, as is a case of what this is about.

. with that too little of sitting down tried to work out problems. >> to what extent are you taking into account what the house of representatives can expect? how'd you get the government to reopen? >> pass a resolution in a house that could pass just like that. we hope we can do that for a longer time. that would be a step in the right direction. >> saying more now when not help. how long would you like bcr to be? >> i would like the debt ceiling to be for 20 years. i would like the cr to be for 10

years. we are negotiating their. not locked in stone. we have to be very careful. we have this automatic sequestration that kicks in january 15. we have to take that into consideration. to resolve this before january 15? >> we have not done that yet. are you willing to make any changes to the obamacare? >> it is interesting how that is not part of the discussion anymore. when theo tomorrow speaker was on national heevision, the talkshow,

started off on obamacare. that lasted about their the second. then he switched to spending. is no longer the number one issue. the number one issue to do anything they can to divert attention from the full frame made of himself on obamacare. newton taking nothing off the table. mcconnell got a copy of that. we will talk about health care which includes obamacare. we are willing to talk about anything. they want the medical device tax. since you do not consider raising the debt limit a

concession, julie public and have to make a deal to get -- do republicans have to make a deal to get what they want? job to beciate your as inquisitive as you need to be. i'm not going to negotiate with you folks. ince no longernse negotiate with myself. thank you. >> we're going to take more of your calls. i just heard from the senate democrats not taking any questions. the senate was earlier. they have been meeting in the caucus unable to do this that would postpone until the end of next year, trying to get from the majority leader what it is exactly that he would want to see.

thinkt to know what you about the shutdown, what has been going on in your part of the city. let us know. member to call these numbers -- we are welcoming those joining us on c-span radio. orlando has been with us for a long time. thanks for your patience. i am very upset with congress. where you canace work and still live but after you lose her job you can live here for free as long as she wants. i am worried if congress don't come up with something the federal grants we get. and we will get put out on the street.

it is very upsetting. i do not understand what is going on with them. why can they not get their act together? i just hope they can do something. thank you for taking my call. host: bob is next. republican line. caller: yes. am i on now? host: you bet. go ahead. caller: i feel that they are holding the entire country hostage. in vietnam in 1972, i had already been there for 12 months. they made me stay over because of my mos was so critical. every congressman who sent this over here because we were told then that we were fighting a war that was unwinnable.

i sue always being. one time i crashed. i was making my way out of the jungle. i was saying i hope every congressman and every senator behind this war is burned in hell and oil. now i have been a loyal republican all my lap. my mother-in-law. what has happened is these guys are holding the country hostage. that is how wars are started. real wars. obama has no experience. the age limitise of the bro president. i never had -- of a real president. i never have said that one man can't change everything. he has not shown any leadership. i understand it is a depression.

putin whoening to called him a boy. he really is. thank you for sharing the story. the senate earlier did pass death benefit for military families. unanimously, waiting for the president's signature. what is on your mind? caller: i was listening earlier about how they shut down food stamps and louisiana. they shut down ours as well. what about the people who cannot afford to feed their kids? i am on dissent billeting.

what is -- i am on disability. what is next? are they taking that away? be out they all need to of the white house, out of congress. need someone that actually cares. it is not our country anymore. they're taking our country from us. it is like we have a new dictatorship now. obama is just running us into the ground. david is on the line from peru. republican line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i had a comment for debbie who was from north carolina. she was asking the question about how the 28th amendment corresponded to where the way things are done. the reason why they got around it is initially congress did not pass the law to exempt himself. -- themselves.

president obama passed an executive order to exempt these people. >> you're talking about the insurance exchanges? >> that is right. that is why they are able to get around the agreements. >> what do you think should be done? where do you want to see things done and there and negotiations? >> i like the republicans go ahead and let it go into law. then they will pay for what happens in the next election. people are going to see the higher cost of their premiums when it comes to their insurance .nd higher co-pays everything will be higher than what they are initially paying. i think that is where people will see in the end that it is going to be more than what they bargained for. host: thanks, david.

congress, the white house not coming to any agreement. speaker boehner and the president had met. those talks stalled. trying to see if there could be some kind of an agreement reached in the ceiling. the senate is in line. senator bob casey is on the floor. you can turn to our companion network if you want to follow what is happening in the senate right now. we also just heard from senate democrat. at c-n find those online span.org. we want to hear what you think about the shutdown. thank you.aller:

-- i thinkring during the debt negotiations, i personally think the debt taken outns should be of the hands of congress. with theiro business irresponsibility and an ability to do their job that they should take not only the full faith and credit of the united face of america but the entire world. and trying to collapse the entire world. it is ridiculous. if people do not have the ability, they should not have the power. they should have powers taken out of the hands of congress from this day forward. tony is on the line from indiana. is talking about

the president and this and that. fault.he people's we elected these officials to take care of us. that is exactly why i am an independent. even before the selection, before, the american people have always said they would be taking care of. i am a veteran. i am a disabled veteran. of course i am in jeopardy with all the other veterans. i just wanted to say why do we elect people that cannot even sit to the table and talk to each other about, and interest about our government, about our budget? they are like children. off.m sorry to cut you i just wanted to read some of the tweets. john cornyn says bling check

clean. this is not just a disaster for public employees, it is also hurting the private sector are. he is pleased that the national park service responded to requests to allow state and local government to temporarily manage the grand canyon. the statue of liberty reopening tomorrow. it was shut down along with other parks. the state of new york is going to pick up the tab. site,re going to run the about $60,000 per day. we're going to keep it through thursday. new york said it will renegotiate to keep the statue .f liberty ( republicans. caller: i feel it is important

for me to say first that the president of the united states is holding the government shutdown. first of all. is possibly the most socialist legislation that has ever come across the desk of this country. i do not think it ever should have passed. is too much for anyone to even comprehend. you ain't going to comprehend nothing. it is 200 pages. we are doingink passing this kind of socialism? you cannot mandate people to do this kind of thing. it is unacceptable. want to commend

senator ted cruz for spearheading this campaign. i really respect him for that. a lot of people are mad at him. i understand where he is coming from and i think we should bring america back as it was. >> thanks for all of your calls. if you do not get a chance to weigh in, this is the chat. you can also go online to facebook.com. look at sometake a of what happened earlier. we will take a look at what they did on the house floor earlier today. >> i rise today to continue funding for the role of the indian health services. this focuses on education, health care, and many other vital services to american indians and alaska natives. government he ceded

the vast lands that make up the united states today. you will quickly realize that the federal government has not even come close to living up to its end of the bargain. my colleagues on both side of the aisle in my predecessors have been working hard over the past several years to a dress the critical needs and challenges in indian country. even and declining budget environment, our committee continues to make funding a priority. that is why i doubt my friends and colleagues on the other side will oppose the merits of the bill. it is something we agree on. ing we agree on on a bipartisan bay bipartisan basis. for the past 11 days the house has abeen tempting to reopen the government without further delay and without trying to extract

any further concessions from the senate or president. mr. speaker, you can't go wrong by trying to do the right thing. right here, right now, those of us who care about indian country have been given the opportunity to do the right thing. let's not waste this opportunity, pointing fingers and arguing over everything other than the topic at hand. the topic at hand is indian health, indian education, and the b.i.a. this is the hand we have been dealt. let's do the right thing. i encourage my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to support this resolution. i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the chair will recognize the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: i'd like to ask unanimous consent that i be able to control the time. i guess there is a parliamentary procedure. does mrs. lowey have to request that? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. moran: thank you very much, mr. speaker. i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. moran: thank you, mr. speaker.

here we go again. each day the gaping wound of the government shutdown represents grows bigger and the house republican response continues to be these little band-aid. of course we on the democratic side want to see all native american programs funded. the other side knows that. and in fact, this has been one area where we have achieved bipartisan agreement. both chairman simpson, i want to particularly mention mr. cole on our subcommittee, myself, ms. mccollum, all of us have tried to put as much money as possible given very severe fiscal constraints to native american programs. but this bill that's on the

floor today in fact doesn't state -- doesn't serve its stated purpose. we are going to hear from house republicans what this latest band-aid temporarily funds, but here is just some of the native american programs and offices that are not funded by this resolution. native american education programs that are funded by the department of education. native american law enforcement programs funded by the department of justice. the programs to carry out the violence against women act. that's an area we had achieved finally bipartisan agreement. this doesn't allow us the funds to carry out that program. native american social service programs that are funded by the -- >> mr. speaker, the house is not in order. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is correct. members will please tear their conversations from the floor and -- take their conversations from the floor and clear the well.

the gentleman may continue. mr. moran: thank you, mr. speaker. i understand that this is a very trying day for all of the american people, and that colleagues feel that as well. i'm happy to speak through the interruption. but i do want to make the point these native american social service programs that are so important to the american indians, particularly on our reservations, are not funded by this bill. childcare, temporary assistance to needy families, because they are funded by the department of health and human services. native american housing programs, funded by the department of housing and urban development. h.u.d. has the highest percentage, almost 100% of its employees are furloughed. still, what is this the 11th day, mr. speaker? that was a rhetorical question. mr. speaker, while this resolution temporarily funds the

bureau of indian affairs and bureau of indian education, it fails to fund the office of the assistant secretary for indian affairs, which oversees those agencies. we are not even willing to fund the office that's responsible for managing the programs that we purport to fund today. what about the office of the special trustee which administers $3.7 billion in tribal funds and $728 million in individual indian accounts. that's not funded either. let's not be deluded that this is going to fix the situation with regard to the -- our native americans. that's why a number of tribes have opposed this way of doing it. they want all the government to open up. because it is their government as well. mr. speaker, the underlying basis for the republican shutdown of the government has

been an irrational and intransigent opposition to the affordable care act. that's how it started. house republicans voted 43 times to repeal the affordable care act. at the same time they were voting to repeal the permanent re-authorization of the indian health care improvement act. every time the other side voted to repeal the affordable care act, they were voting to repeal the determine re-authorization of the indian health care act. as well as voting to repeal many new programs that are contained in the affordable care act that are designed to assist indian health -- indian health service in meeting its mission to raise the health status of native americans. these 43 attempts to repeal the affordable care act and shutting down of government is all the more disheartening because we in the subcommittee on interior and environment have so strongly supported native american programs.

unlike what we have seen in the last week of certain members come to the floor to claim support for n.i.h., head start, all of which we strongly support, even as members have pushed sequester and proposed additional cuts to these programs in 2014, on the other side, this subcommittee has a bipartisan commitment to native american programs. that's something we should be proud of. and this subcommittee, i know, does not want to go about funding native american programs in this manner. it's a halfhearted band-aid approach. it's strong. we need to fund all native american, we need to fund all federal government. it's long past time for this shutdown to end. let's release all the federal employees that have been taken hostage. let's reopen the people's government. i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the entleman reserves.

the gentleman from idaho. mr. simpson: it's my pleasure to yield three minutes to the gentleman from washington, the chairman of the natural resources committee, mr. hastings. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for three minutes. mr. hastings: thank you very much, mr. speaker. i thank the gentleman for yielding. i rise today in full support of this resolution to fund the bureau of indian affairs. while house republicans continue to offer solutions to end this government shutdown, we will continue also to take steps to provide funding for important areas of our government. this measure fulfills the congress' unique responsibility to fund programs vital to indian tribes and alaska natives. there are 56 million acres of indian trust lands in the united states. unlike other privately owned lands, in most cases indian trust lands may not be leased for development purpose without approval of the secretary of the interior. these lands are critical for indian tribes to create jobs and generate revenue for their reservation economies.

for example, in my central washington district, two tribes are major producers of timber that employ hundreds of people and produce income for tribal governments and thousands of individual members. in other parts of the country, tribes utilize their trust lands for oil, natural gas, and coal development, and a variety of business leasing and housing. it is critical to ensure continued funding for the bureau of indian affairs to perform functions necessary for tribes and individual landowners to lease and develop their lands. the joint resolution additionally provides funding for the indian health service programs. while direct care for accuse and chronic health conditions is being provided to the american indians during the shutdown, other services have been scaled back. it is critical these be restored to normal operations. the president repeatedly stresses the importance of the united states' unique relations with indian tribes. he now has the opportunity, mr.

speaker, to match his rhetoric with action by supporting the passage of this resolution and signing it into law. i thank the gentleman for yielding. i yield back to the chairman. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from idaho reserves the balance of his time. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, it's my great pleasure right now to yield two minutes to the ranking member of the full appropriations committee, mrs. nita lowey, from new york. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is recognized for two minutes. mrs. lowey: mr. speaker, i rise in opposition to the republican shutdown. of course we support funding for indian education and health services. unfortunately, the house hasn't had the opportunity to approval funding for these programs this year because the majority did not have the courage of their convictions to bring their f.y. 2014 interior and environment, on the labor-h.h.s. appropriation bills to the house floor.

don't for a moment think that today's bill fulfills their commitments to native americans. under this bill they will still not receive funding they are due from the departments of justice and the department of education. this is nothing more than a republican ploy, and the claim that democrats are not negotiating is absolutely false. house republicans wrote a bill, sent it to the senate, the senate adopted the motion -- the most important part of it, the funding level, anti-president agreed to sign it, even though democrats wanted greater investments to support economic growth, jobs. the only thing democrats oppose are irresponsible efforts to put health care decisions back in the hands of insurance companies. which has nothing to do with keeping the government opened.

that is democracy. that is negotiation. we have done more than meet in the middle, but the republicans now say no to their own bill. we could end the shut down today if the majority would only support a reasonable solution to allow a vote on the republican written senate-passed bill. vote no, demand a house vote to immediately end the reckless republican shutdown. yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman yields back. the gentleman from virginia reserves the balance of his time. the gentleman from idaho. mr. simpson: it's my pleasure to yield a minute and a half to gentleman from montana, mr. daines. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for 1:30 seconds. mr. daines: i rise to support to appropriate funds for the bureau of indian education today because our native americans

cannot sustain another day of this washington gridlock. in my home state of montana, we have seven indian reservations, and also the state recognized little shaw tribe. we are now working on getting recognition for them. native americans encompass 6% of montana's population. on a reservation, unemployment can rise as high as 50%. the indian health service, the bureau of indian affairs, and education can literally be life line for many. earlier this year, when i visited the college, i learned about their slogan grounded in tradition, charging into the future. our reservations want to be self-sustaining without adequate health services, education, and economic opportunities, that goal is unattainable. i want our native american to be able to thrive in my home state of montana. that's why i support this

resolution today. i yield back my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from idaho reserves the balance of his time. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i'd like to inquire how much time we have on both sides. remaining in the debate. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from virginia has 12 1/2 minutes. the gentleman from idaho has 14 1/2 minutes. mr. moran: at this time i'd like to yield two minutes to the gentlelady from minnesota, the chair of the indian caucus, miss betty mccollum -- ms. betty mccollum. ms. mccollum: mr. speaker, the house not in order. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is correct. if members would please remain from conversations on the floor. the gentlewoman is recognized. mitts mccollum -- ms. mccollum: i rise today to oppose this bill. as democratic co-chair of the native american caucus, i'm here to promote respect for tribal

sovereignty, to fight for the needs of native american families, and to call our federal government to uphold its trust and treaty obligations. mr. paul, my republican co-chair, ranking member moran, and mr. simpson, the author of this legislation, shir those very same goals. . but i think the bill before us today doesn't meet the needs of indian country. the national conference of american indians has asked us to, quote, reopen government operations for all federal agencies that meet trust and treaty obligations to tribal nations and to stop the sequester of 2014. and i've heard that same message loud and clear from minnesota tribal leaders. mr. speaker, when we consider federal funding for tribal nations, we are talking about government-to-government relationships. this means the entire federal government needs to be open and functioning. many services have been pointed out that are vital to indian country are not funded with

b.i.a. or b.h.s. the department of agriculture, commerce, justice, transportation and other agencies within h.h.s. or interior all have native american accounts. food distribution on indian reservations is administered by the department of agriculture and no funds is able to replenish food reserves to support low-income american indians each month. in minnesota, winter is on its way and tribal housing development has been brought to a halt for white earth nation because the bureau of land management is closed. mr. speaker, i could list other important tribal partnerships that this bill will not open. and i have one that i'll enter into the record with your permission. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, so ordered. ms. mccollum: we need to vote

for a clean funding bill for this government. i'll vote no. i encourages others to do the same. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman's time has expired. the gentleman from idaho. mr. simpson: mr. speaker, it's my pleasure to yield to the gentleman from alaska, mr. young, two minutes. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from alaska is recognized for two minutes. mr. young: i ask unanimous consent to revise and extend. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, so ordered. mr. young: my fellow colleagues, this is an important piece of legislation. when you vote against this legislation, you're voting against the first americans. everyone in this room is an immigrant. we made a trust relationship with american indians to take care of them, provide them and a trust relationship that we failed. you say this won't go anywhere. very frankly, we should have done this a long time ago. we should set up the system because of the trust system that they are front end loaded for their health care primarily. we have a system now that does

not work. they have to hold their hand out and beg, and a lot of you on that side, all you'll say, don't say too much. take your blanket and go home and be quiet. no other minority would be treated that way. this health system has to be fixed. we have an opportunity to fix it now. we should fix it now. when people stand up and say, i support the american indians, the first americans, you're not really supporting it. you're paying lip service. you're paying lip service. that's all you have been doing for all these years ever since columbus landed on these shores, and you broke treaty after treaty after treaty, both sides of the aisle. i've been with eight presidents and they paid lip service. they paid lip service. the president is going to have a big first american conference, the fifth one, and

now all they tell them again, be quiet, take your blanket and your half a beet and go home. for those that talk about the minority, this is the first minority. yes, i get a little emotional about this because i have 10 american native grandchildren. i have two beautiful american native children that's given me those 10 grandchildren. and i had a wife that was in fact one of the first americans and i'm proud to be associated with that. we should vote yes on this bill. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from idaho reserves the balance of his time. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i agree with my good friend from alaska. the unconscionable treatment that's been accorded our native americans. and i agree that there should be a unique commitment to our native americans, but at this point i'd like to yield one minute to the gentleman from

michigan, mr. kildee. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. kildee: thank you, mr. speaker. thank you for the time. look, we all know what's happening here. if anybody believes that there's a true commitment to fully fund the promises that we have made to america's native american tribes, you've got to be joking. look what is not funded in this legislation. it would be really simple to meet the promise that the gentleman spoke so eloquently about and the way we would do that is to simply bring up a clean bill to reopen the entirety of government. instead of picking and choosing which promises we will keep to america's native american tribes, we would keep them all. instead of skipping the housing program, skipping the social service programs and providing a talking point but not meeting the obligation that this congress has made to america's native american tribes.

if any community in this country understands broken promises, it's the native american tribes of this country. in this bill, this legislation, continues the trail of broken promises. the speaker pro tempore: the entleman's time has expired. mr. moran: i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from idaho. mr. simpson: mr. speaker, it's now my pleasure to yield to the gentleman from oklahoma, a valued member of our subcommittee and probably the largest advocate for indian issues in congress, the gentleman, mr. cole. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. cole: thank you very much, mr. speaker. i thank the gentleman for yielding. i can agree with parts of what my friends have said and parts i frankly can't agree with. i worked in a bipartisan manner across the aisle and with the white house on native american issues ever since i've gotten here no matter who was on the other side of the aisle or who was in the white house. i have to tell you, when you

question the commitment of our native american affairs, you clearly haven't looked at the record. because of this chairman, indian health expense is up 29% in three years. each year for the last three years, we have raised above what the administration quested in native american community. i want to give my friend, mr. moran, my friend, betty mccollum, a lot of truth -- excuse me -- a lot of credit for those achievements. i want to give our predecessor, norm dicks, who operated in the same way, a lot of credit for that. this is a good faith effort to do exactly what my friends suggest, make sure that critical programs in indian program are funded right now. i'll continue to work in a bipartisan manner with my friends on these kinds of -- and other issues, but to suggest that they're being used as a pawn, no, for the first time they're just not being forgotten about, because that what tends to happen around here. that's happened with democrats and republicans. so with that, i would urge the adoption and support.

i want to thank my friend for being the leader in this house on funding native american programs. has done more than anybody in this country to improve the quality and the level of federal services on that. so he ought to be given the credit that he respects. i want to thank my friend, mr. moran, working with him every step of the way to accomplish those things. i saw them do it when their roles were reversed and he was chair and he was ranking member. not an effort to divide. it's an effort, actually, to put something out that has united us in a bipartisan sense and to make sure that the first americans aren't the last americans that anybody around here thinks about. with that i yield back my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from idaho reserves the balance of his time. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, this releases .15% of the federal government, leaving more than 9% of the federal government -- 99% of the federal government still closed. so at this point i'd like to yield for the purposes of a

unanimous consent request to our very distinguished minority whip, mr. hoyer from maryland. mr. hoyer: i thank the gentleman for yielding. mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h. resolution 59, to open the government and go to conference on a budget so that we end this epublican government shutdown. the speaker pro tempore: under guidelines consistently issued by successive speakers as recorded in section 956 of the house rules and manual, the chair is constrained not to entertain the request unless it has been cleared by the bipartisan floor and committee leadership. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i'd like to yield for the purposes of a unanimous consent request o ms. velazquez from new york. ms. velazquez: i thank the gentleman for yielding. ask that the house bring up

the resolution to open the government so we can end the republican government shutdown. the speaker pro tempore: the request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i yield for the purpose of a unanimous consent request to mr. green from texas. mr. green: thank you. mr. speaker, i, too, ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59, to open the government and to go to conference on a budget so that we can end the republican government shutdown. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i yield for the purpose of unanimous consent request the gentlelady from california, ms. hahn. ms. hahn: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j. resolution 59, to open this government and go to conference on a budget so that we can end this republican government shutdown that is

hurting so many american people. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertain absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i yield for the purpose of a unanimous consent request to the gentleman from rhode island, mr. cicilline. mr. cicilline: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to house joint resolution 59, to open the government and go to conference on a budget so we can end this republican shutdown now and get the american people back to work. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, at this time i yield for the purpose of a unanimous consent request to the gentleman from new york, mr. maloney. mr. maloney: mr. speaker, in order to end this republican shutdown today to get the people's government working, i ask you bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59 and open the government without further delay. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained

without appropriate clearance. mr. moran: i ask unanimous consent to yield to the gentleman from texas, mr. hinojosa. mr. hinojosa: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to the house joint resolution 59, to open the government and go to conference on a budget so that we end this republican government shutdown. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: i now yield for the purpose of a unanimous consent request to the gentlelady from new hampshire, ms. kuster. ms. kuster: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59, to open the government and go to conference on a budget so that we end in republican government shutdown and give the american people the relief that they deserve. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained

absent appropriate clearance. mr. moran: i now yield for the purpose of a unanimous consent request to the member of the appropriations committee from new york, the honorable mr. serrano. mr. serrano: mr. speaker -- the speaker pro tempore: the chair would ask that any member seeking recognition remove any communicated badge while making any request. mr. serrano: you mean this sticker? the speaker pro tempore: yes. mr. serrano: we're allowed to bring posters and other items to the floor. why not this red, white and blue sticker? the speaker pro tempore: badges are not allowed. mr. serrano: i'll take it off but it's with great pain i do so. mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59, to open the

government and go to conference on a budget so that we end this republican government shutdown now. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, this cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i now yield for the purpose of a unanimous consent request to the gentleman from california, mr. mcnerney. mr. mcnerney: thank you. mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59, to open the government and to go to conference on a budget so that we can end this republican government shutdown and get our nation back to work. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i now yield for the purpose of a unanimous consent request to the gentleman from texas, mr. doggett. mr. doggett: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.r. 59, instead of leaving for a three-day weekend, that we open the

government and go to conference on a budget and end this republican government shutdown. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, the request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. mr. doggett: ms. pelosi has cleared it. who's objecting? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is not recognized. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i'd like to yield for the purposes of a unanimous consent request, the gentleman from wisconsin, mr. pocan. mr. pocan: thank you. mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j. resolution 59, to open up the government and go to conference on a budget so we can end this republican government shutdown that's costing the u.s. economy $160 million a day. . the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised that request cannot be entertained without appropriate clearance. mr. moran: yield to the yeal from california, mrs. davis. mrs. davis: i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up

senate amendment to h.j.res. 59, to open the government, go to conference on a budget so that we end this republican government shutdown. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertain absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i now yield for purpose of a unanimous consent request to the gentlelady from nks ms. jackson lee. ms. jackson lee: mr. speaker, because many families today are not able to pay their mortgage, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59, to open the government and go to conference on the budget so we can end this republican government shutdown hurting the children of america. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: i now yield to the gentlelady from alabama, ms. terri sewell. ms. sewell: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59 to open the

government and go to conference on a budget so that we can end this republican government shutdown now. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, at this point i'd like to yield for the purpose of a unanimous consent request for the -- to the gentlelady from ohio, mrs. beatty. mrs. beatty: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.r. res. 59, to open government and to go to conference on a budget so we can end this unnecessary republican government shutdown that hurts veterans and children and the american citizens. let's open up the government now. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, at this time i'd like to yield for the purpose of a unanimous consent request to the gentleman from florida, judge hastings. mr. hastings: thank you very much for yielding. mr. speaker, i have a parliamentary inquiry.

what i would ask the speaker to advise of this member as to what is the definition of appropriate clearance. the speaker pro tempore: earance must be given by committee staff. under guidelines consistently issued by successive speakers as reported in section 956 of the house rules and manual, the chair is constrained not to entertain the request unless it is cleared by the bipartisan floor and committee leaderships. mr. hastings: further parliamentary inquiry, do you know as speaker whether or not such an attempt has been made and maybe denied with reference to the bipartisan clearance? the speaker pro tempore: as indicated in section 956 of the house rules and manual, it is not a proper parliamentaryry inquire to ask the chair to indicate which side of the aisle

has failed under the speaker's guidelines to clear a unanimous consent request. mr. hastings: mr. speaker, you are a republican and i'm a democrat, further parliamentary inquiry, i seek appropriate clearance from you. the speaker pro tempore: the chairs has not received appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia is recognized. -- moran: mr. speaker, i now i yield time to the gentleman to complete his unanimous consent request. mr. hastings: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59 to open the government and go to conference on a budget so that we end this republican shutdown and that's with or without clearance. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, for the purpose of the unanimous consent request, i yield to the distinguished layy from -- lady from california, ms. bass.

the speaker pro tempore: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59 to open the government and go to conference on a budget so that we can end this republican government shutdown. as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: at this time i'd like to yield for the purpose of unanimous consent request to the gentleman from california, mr. honda. mr. honda: good morning, mr. speaker. i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59 to open the government and go to conference on a budget so that we end this republican government shutdown. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair has previously advised, that request is cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i would like to yield for the purpose of a unanimous consent request to the vice chair of our democratic caucus, mr. crowley, from new york. mr. crowley: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to

h.j.res. to open the government and go to conference on the budget so we can end this republican government shutdown. it's time to shut down the shutdown. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: i yield for the purpose of a unanimous consent to mr. welch from vermont. mr. welch: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59 to open up the government and go to conference on a budget so we can end this republican government shut gun. i yield back the speaker pro tempore:s the chair previously advised that request cannot be entertain absend pronetcleernts. mr. moran: i yield to the gentlelady for the purpose of a unanimous consent request. ms. shea-porter: i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59, to open the government and go to conference on a budget so

that we end this republican government shutdown and allow the government to do the people's business again. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertaint absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: i now yield to the gentleman from texas, mr. veasey. mr. veasey: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59 to open the government and go to conference on a budget so that we hand this republican government shutdown -- end this republican shutdown now. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: i yield for the from e ms. waters california. ms. waters: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59 to open the government and go to conference on a budget.

so we can end this republican shutdown. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from virginia. >> mr. speaker, parliamentary inquiry. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman will state. mr. scott: mr. speaker, you have ruled that these unanimous consent requests cannot be entertained because they have not been precleared. it's obvious the democratic leadership supports these motions and i would wonder if it would be in order for the republicans here now to preclear these unanimous consent requests so we can vote to reopen overnment. as speaker pro tempore: indated in section 956 of the house rules and manual it is not

proper to ask the chair to indicate which side of the aisle has failed under the speaker's guidelines to clear a unanimous consent request. mr. scott: further parliamentary inquiry. apparently the chair can't do it. is it in order for me to ask the republicans to preclear the unanimous consent request? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is free to try to obtain clearance. mr. scott: i yield to anybody on the republican side at this time under my parliamentary inquiry to please clear -- the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized is not recognized to yield. does the gentleman have a unanimous consent request? mr. moran: i yield to the gentleman from virginia for the purpose of a unanimous consent request. mr. scott: thank you, mr. speaker. i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59 to open up the government and go to conference on the budget so we can end republican shutdown and let the record reflect that the republicans have had an opportunity to preclear one of these unanimous consent requests. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance.

the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i now yield for the purpose of a unanimous consent request to the ms. elady from california, roybal-allard. ms. roybal-allard: i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up senate amendment to h.j.res. 59 to open the government and go to conference on the budget so we can end this republican government shutdown today. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: i yield to the gentlelady from california, ms. lofgren. ms. lofgren: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59, to open the government, to go to conference on a budget so that we end this republican shutdown and stop holding the economy hostage. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: i yield for the purpose of a unanimous consent request to the gentlelady from

california, ms. brownley. ms. brownley: mr. speaker, please, our country is asking, i'm asking unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to house joint resolution 59 to open our government and go to conference on a budget so that we will end this republican government shutdown now and get our government back to work for the american people. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i now yield for the purpose of a unanimous consent request to the gentleman from california, mr. takano. mr. takano: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59 to open the government and go to conference on the budget so that we end this republican shutdown now. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i now yield for the purpose of a

unanimous consent request to the gentleman from massachusetts, mr. kennedy. mr. kennedy: thank you. mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59, to open the government and go to conference on a budget so we can end this republican government shutdown today. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. he house will be in order. members will take their conversations from the floor. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i now yield for the purpose of a unanimous consent request to the gentlelady from new mexico, miss lohan grisham. miss lohan grishian: i join my colleagues and ask unanimous consent that the house immediately bring up the senate amendment to h.j. resolution 59 to open the government and go to conference on a budget so we end the republican shutdown immediately. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained

absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, at this time i yield to the gentlelady from california, ms. lee, for the purpose of a unanimous consent request. ms. lee: thank you, mr. speaker. i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59 to open the government and go to conference on a budget so that we can end this tea party republican government shutdown and put people back to work. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i now yield for the purpose of a unanimous consent request to the gentleman from minnesota, mr. walz. mr. walz: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up senate amendment to house joint resolution 59 to open the american people's government and go to conference on a budget so that we end this republican government shutdown. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from california. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i now yield to the gentleman from california for the purpose of a

unanimous consent request, mr. ruiz. mr. ruiz: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the house bring up the senate amendment to h.j.res. 59 to open the government and go to conference on a budget so we end this reckless and irresponsible government shutdown and do the right thing for the american people. the speaker pro tempore: as the chair previously advised, that request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance. the gentleman from virginia. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i now yield for the purpose of a unanimous consent request to the dean of the new york delegation, mr. rangel. mr. rangel: mr. speaker, may i make a parliamentary inquirery. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman may state his inquiry. mr. rangel: under what circumstances could a senior member of this august body protest the shutdown of government at this time? it the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is not making a parliamentary inquiry. mr. rangel: i ask -- i'm asking from a parliamentary point of view, i don't want to violate the house rules, but as a member

of congress, representing 700,000 people, i feel that i have to scream out in protest as to what's happening to the country, and my constituents, there has to be some way for me in a parliamentary way without violating the house rules to express myself. . the speaker pro tempore: the chair is following guidelines on appropriate unanimous consent requests. mr. rangel: with all due respect, that has nothing to do with my parliamentary inquiry. nothing at all. the speaker pro tempore: under the -- mr. rangel: the rules for unanimous consent doesn't have to do with a parliamentary inquiry. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is engaging in debate. does the gentleman have a unanimous consent request? mr. rangel: are you saying that you're ignoring my parliamentary inquiry? i'm just asking. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman has not made a

parliamentary inquiry. mr. rangel: that's how i started. and i could ask the recorder but i don't want to waste a lot of time on this weekend legislative session. but i started asking permission to make a parliamentary inquiry and that was granted. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman will suspend. under guidelines consistently issued by successive speakers the rule 956 the chair is constrained not to entertain requests -- mr. rangel: mr. speaker, are you talking about a unanimous consent request? the speaker pro tempore: yes. mr. rangel: well, i'm talking about a parliamentary inquiry. if you're telling me i'm out of order for making a parliamentary inquiry, i'm not prepared to challenge the chair even though i truly believe you and i believe you would be incorrect. the speaker pro tempore: the

gentleman has not stated a proper parliamentary inquiry. mr. rangel: i ask -- how do you state it properly? i ask, how could i properly state the feelings of my constituents as a member of this august body in a parliamentary way? what could be more parliamentary than that? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman may be yielded to for debate. the gentleman from virginia is recognized. mr. rangel: oh, so the parliamentary inquiry is not going to be recognized? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from virginia is recognized. mr. rangel: ok. i accept that. mr. moran: mr. speaker, i had yielded the gentleman from new york for a unanimous consent request if the gentleman has unanimous consent request. mr. rangel: i ask unanimous consent that the speaker and the parliamentarian take a good look at the rules of

>> on twitter, a number of news outlets saying harry reid arrived at the white house for a meeting with president obama. patty murray expected at this meeting. --ers of congress tweeting members of congress also tweeting. georgia representative lynn westmoreland says the bill complies with spending limits established by law they supported. house was working on the farm bill. members who will be in the conference to work on the bill or announced earlier. republicans include ed royce, the chair of the house foreign the housemmittee and

ways and means committee. on the democratic side, senator levin of michigan. eliot engel of new york. eliot engel will be our guest ."is weekend on "newsmakers you can watch that at 10:00 a.m. on sunday and 6 p.m. eastern. we heard earlier from the house on some of their action earlier today. we will take a look at what they had to say from earlier this afternoon. >> once again in the 12th day of the shutdown of the american people he 12th day of having people out of work. worke having to