onto therbachev came scene and the soviet union, he was a new kind of russian leader. young and hip. i was working in the u.k., i have -- i have lived there for 11 years. have a great idea. let's turn mikael gorbachev into a new character -- miami vice. the problem was, before the internet, how do i get pictures of miami vice? how could i drop a miami vice -- draw a miami vice picture? my wife and i went shopping in to getn, we did our best that was not my car, but that was my out of it. the most expensive cover i have

ever had to make. we had to do a wardrobe to go with it next. i will show you black and white ones here featuring uncle sam. and this is one of my favorite ones. what foreign enemies and americans looking for, world control. what americans are really looking for, we remote control. when i came back from abroad i realized this is very accurate. i had just come back from cuba. people of cuba next. big castro?th that

>> missing one. so anyway, to thing about this is everybody can be good cartoon fodder am a whether you are a democrat or dictator to me you are good fodder for cartoonists. this is a cartoon i did back in 1989. it is being reproduced around the world. a guy says i have a stock here that could really excel. sell.sell, it carries on.

a guy says this is madness, i cannot take anymore. i, buy, buy. at the end he says i have a stock here that could really excel. here is the story. cartoon appears in the baltimore sun that gets picked up new york times. third it being reprinted around the world. then i started getting phone calls, stock brokers. south america, all over the place. copy they say they want a of the cartoon. second they say that is exactly how it is. seriously. i get requests almost every .onth a stockbroker in hong kong wanted the size you see their to be put on the wall in their lobby. we had to send them one.

this is an interesting story behind it because we were talking earlier about the value cartoon spring. this is a local cartoon and baltimore. --n we are doing our cap cartoons, we have to do local cartoons. we have to do national cartoons and international cartoons. probably the only person in the newspaper that has the full responsibility. it is the local cartoons that get people's real attention. we are it when it comes to this. they watch us like hawks. the cartoons can have real power. here is a case in point. 20 years ago this took lace. this is about an area of baltimore called the block. a red light district causing trouble for the mayor.

he wanted to do severe zoning laws and said he could close the whole thing down. bend others thought it would ill advised. if you just close down there it will spread and other places. cartoon that make sense. you have the block and explodes. then little blocks all over the place. wrote an essay in the baltimore sun to say that this cartoon changed his mind about policy. going incartoon he was one direction. put the proposed legislation into the city council. he withdrew it after he saw the cartoon. he was brave enough because he was no longer in politics but now in the private sector to be

able to say a cartoon changed his mind about angst. there are probably times cartoons affect politicians in ways we will never hear because no politicians -- politician who is worth his salt will ever hist up cartoon changed mind but probably happens more often than we know. i will show you this because i finished it last night at 4:30 in the morning. here we go. afghanistan. he is chased out. now uncle sam a little more sober approach is iraq. he gets traced back by an even larger set of these. syria. the beehive with uncle sam thinking more carefully about what we are doing. my deadline with the economist is thursday morning at 4:00 in the morning. this arrivedhi

in london. this takes place in heaven, as you can see. michael the ark angel speaking. on the line. >> again? he is worried about the movement women as priests. but i have artie told him what i think, tell them i am busy. i am sorry, she is busy right now. even when you do tricky stuff donereligion, it can be right. that is it. i am through. [applause] like all of them but i really liked the afghanistan one. very clever. before we start, let me just think about what i'm going to say here. , i know what i am

going to do. i just had a brain part. if you read my cartoons, you know i have a strong view sometimes. ,s politics have gotten crazier and in my opinion, as the republican party has gone more insane i have become more strident. shows the cartoon republican approach to governing. republicans await response. we have your dog. they are are ready planning another thing with the debt ceiling. that is not how you govern. the gop keeps talking about how themselves,brand

show they are more except to , gays and latinos and african-americans and the middle class. to me, it is just bs. [laughter] here is another thing. bill clinton, i was so pissed at him yesterday. when he was giving his speech he had the best line. it should not be harder to vote that it is to get an assault weapon. i thought what a great line. because of the nra, they have republican on the

party that we cannot get any kind of sensible gun control. showing ideas the airport. removing shoes. full body scanner. telling someone i am traveling to d.c. to argue against background checks. of ad a recent example assault weapons with huge magazines and a mental-health this is what resulted. a congressman saying as a member of congress my goal is to do the nra bidding so i will not lose my job. he talked to the empty classroom.

they get posted on facebook. so i get a lot of response. i do not usually respond, unless oris like really nasty beyond.g i do not like to get into big things with people. it is like having an argument with a relative, nothing is ever resolved. the republicans are losing it demographically. they are trying to come up with ways to discourage voting you just had the supreme court decision on writing -- voting.

this is a crappy drawing. i had done a cartoon on michele bachmann leaving congress. i cannot remember what the punchline was. -- i haverd in this her in a straitjacket. i cannot remember what she is saying. my editor says we should not do this because it is making fun of people with mental health issues. i was getting in my car to pick my daughter up because she was working at an internship. we will disrupt another

one, a syndicated one. i said i hate doing that. i said let me see if i can come up with an idea. i will drive her home and come back. this is the cartoon and that is my house. our cartoonists -- a cartoonist lives there. one of the things that has just is the quickness of and gay rights. i think it is so amazing. this is after the supreme court vote. i am sorry i am being so

partisan, but it is like the carelicans, they do not about the country. they will ruin the country to get policy goals because they cannot get it through legislation. recently. cartoon the nsa guy saying we intercepted the chatter of a group plotting to triple -- cripple the u.s. government. he says we do not appreciate you listening to our phone calls. again, this is the past couple of weeks we have had discussion celebration with martin luther king's 50th anniversary of the speech. i have an elephant saying i have a dream. because the republican party has gone so far to the right, they have been taken over by tea

party people. this is the cartoon i did about that. which one is the face? all right. thank you all very much. [applause] >> i think they might have put me on the bill for equal time. conservative.ore i am the baby of the group. i have been following these guys works for a very long time. i do a lot of local cartoons. for us, this is a local team. i think any falcons fan could .ppreciate the cross fingers

i thought about trying to market goes. after the whole miley cyrus thing, going to stay away from the foam anger. back whene that i did thejong-un was causing all problems. pretty popular on the internet. another local topic for me. this is where it equal time comes in. there was a time where president obama was trying to position himself as the new reagan. here is the rockwell self- portrait painting to show he is more like the old carter than the new reagan. here is another one.

i do not know if there are any reporters here. there was an incident where the department of justice was tapping into the phone records news. a pay -- ap and fox one of his favorites is the press listening in on. here is another one. we went through a time where things were happening. president obama would say i heard it on the news just like you did. just in time for labor day, another cookout. change poster. during the campaign, a big uproar. mitt romney wanted to kill big bird.

i also go after republicans. this is when new mitt romney him in a landslide. weiner,e anthony whatever you do, do not let him kiss your baby. this is one for last thanksgiving. the turkey is a metaphor for something. [no audio] [applause] >> we have a couple more minutes. go to the microphone, please. >> good evening ladies and gentlemen.

i have been living and working for the past 43 years. structural engineer and builder. i will be brief with my question addressed to all three gentlemen. iraq i am originally from i am proud to be a u.s. and .raqi citizen i could not help but ask a question to you all, which is the same question i asked a few months ago here at this halt to the former editor of "the wall street journal." the question is very simple, if someone told you all that the 100% in general almost

betray the american will by not telling the truth, why we lost in such a big way in iraq. >> it was a rush to war. we were sold a bill of goods on that. off to think in a just world, i think bush and cheney should be in prison. i think that members of the ands did not ask questions there was topic and the involved. -- propaganda involved.

i think it was one of the worst mistakes ever made and we will pay the price for many years. cartoon. when there were 2000 american service members killed during the iraq war i did a cartoon and wrote the word "why" with that? and drew it the size. i wrote the names of all the troop's that had been killed in iraq in the letters. generated a lot of controversy and was at a time when people still thought the war was a good thing. i think that was responsible for you getting a pulitzer prize that year.

opponent of strong the war from the start. i got a lot of heat for it at the time but felt very strongly about it. i will tell you an interesting story. you might recall the patriot act that was done in secret for several weeks and everyone was wanting to know what was going on behind closed doors. toer berating john ashcroft come forward publicly he eventually did and gave a presentation and did this in front of the senate committee. he had a written statement at the beginning. said something along the lines that to question my action is to aid the enemy. that you should not question

that take what we are going to give you. i remember hearing that and say this is every citizen's job and responsibility to ask questions. we are paid to do it. i came up with a cartoon that i thought was very strident on the day. the country was in a strange mood of the time. i thought this will get lots of e-mails, facts, letters. my phone will ring off the hook tomorrow. tomorrow came and there was no comment. instead, i saw cartoonist around the country echoing the same thing i did. i heard members of both sides of the aisle coming out in protest. two years later, when the library of congress was doing a special commemoration exhibition , part of the collection to talk that 9/11, they asked for

cartoon. i was very proud of that. question is, why did the media not tell the truth about how we lost the war, i do not think there is any grand conspiracy. i think the media was probably doing their best to tell what they perceived to be the truth. that is really all i have to add. >> i will shock you. i believe that nobody should hidden point or criticize without having the facts to support his position. i will give it you documents here. have the documents. >> we are going to focus on the cartoonists. the constitution.

they have full knowledge why we lost in iraq. >> go ahead. >> please go to the microphone. >> this may be a figment of my seems then, but it literate editorial writers are are liberal and the oral more right wing. is that my own illusion or is it real and why? in general terms. are you talking about commentators? >> editorial newspapers.

it is interesting where both represented. from my perspective liberals outweigh conservatives. fox news came along, there was not a whole lot of conservative voices on tv. rush limbaugh came along. talk radio seems completely eaten up with talk radio. i think your point is right, liberals have a tough time. tv channel is completely gone now. it may be because there is really one place. that is reflected among cartoonists as well.

>> i think i would agree with that tom a yes. my paper, there are a variety of reporters and editors that are not backed by conservative and liberal. my paper, because the internet people can go and get the exact news they want in their own -- now it runser my cartoon and directly below it it is called from the right. if you are conservative and have this paper and is liberal, the editorial page is liberal, you will want to have some -- here some sympathetic voices.

what the paper has done is run a liberal and conservative columnists every day. conservative, you can read the liberal columnists or cartoonist and you are deathly not going to agree, but you can understand where they are coming from maybe. the same for the liberal conservative. i just forgot what the question was. >> two points about that. and worked in the u.k. for 11 years where it is widely regarded the media is conservative. it is very amusing to come back here and get this turned on its head. that there is a spectrum of what they think is liberal conservative.

is therecan all agree is probably 20% on either end and are truly conservative and liberal. every place in the middle is really up for grabs. the spectrum in massachusetts is different than other parts of the country. there is a lot of gray area for how people define what is going on. versus theout print oral thing. it would be worth investigating. there is something very interesting is satire. that is usually people taking on the status quo. from someonecomes on to the last or unknown -- unorthodox. in that case, it may be understandable you more have more liberal or nonconventional people in that realm but not

always the case. was reallyt interesting to see rick's cartoons because he has such an articulate point of view. lots of room for different kinds of voices. should not be from one perspective. please go ahead. >> my name is mac. i work at fox communications. to know as an aspiring cartoonist, what is one thing you would recommend or something that you would? say this is a growing

newspaper cartooning. if you can find an outlet on your website or suburban paper that you could do drawings for, that is how i got started. i was selling life insurance. weekendspend the inwing for suburban papers and around seattle. most of them were not even paying me. it was just a way to get .ractice eventually something opened up in south carolina so i got that job. it is a tough situation. i think it was probably easier for us starting out because newspapers were healthy and you

knew if you could not get a job right away that if you waited long enough something might happen. cra >> i would echo that. i did the same thing for selling life insurance. school newspaper, college newspaper, local small-town newspaper. newsute was to go into the our department. i worked at the atlantic constitution and the late 1980s. that was my foot in the door. tough these days to get the job. was not even -- easier for us. cartoonistrd-winning do not have jobs right now.

? i will echo some of the things mentioned. ofm bullish about the future the cartoon satire. i am seeing some really exciting possibilities out there.

>> i was curious about the future of newspapers in america. >> that is a good question. that they may come, i do not know. right now i am just speaking from what my paper is doing. we have a free online presence. withve a paid thing special content for the paid subscribers. or bothget it in print or a variety of things. -- i read it every morning on my ipad.

flips the pages just like a regular newspaper. i hope we will be able to continue doing a variety of things. the local edge maybe you would lose. that might be deluded. i would imagine it would be different. curious to see how things will happen. i am sorry. one chance before you have a second one. i think you may have more impact online. mightmy cartoon and it get shared on facebook and gets passed around. that is the thing going on right readinge people are

newspapers than ever before. they are just reading them for free online. we have to figure this out. hearing your answers to earlier questions and seeing your cartoons, especially the ones with the bees and the iraq nest, you guys can say what everyone is thinking and what journalists can never say. sometimes i feel like i can watch the rebroadcast and read the entire paper and have no perspective. you guys are able to put it into a perspective with humor that is so true. sometimes i watch jon stewart and stephen colbert ai at night and i think they got it other than the journalist got it. i was wondering, did you ever

post a cartoon that you got a completely unexpected reaction to? it is funny, because cartoons for me, a lot of times you draw them and you say this one is going to be great and it led him -- lance with a side. then you do one that you do not expect and will either get some huge positive or negative reaction that comes out of nowhere and cannot predict what is going to be the reaction. you just have to try to do what you think is best for the day and hopefully there will be another one tomorrow. mix yourur editors ideas? >> not that often. i am always glad that an editor looks at my cartoon.

you do not know if it works or not. there has been times i come up with an idea and will draw out the sketch and show it to an editor and the editor will say you cannot do that. what people will think. i will not have even realized it. there was a guy at the new york post that there was a crazed ape that killed somebody so he drew a cartoon of the eighth being shocked by the cops and one cop is saying to the other, and now the next stimulus, there will not be someone to make up the next stimulus. was the crazedd ape was obama.

i do not know if that is what he meant but what i have always thought as he was looking at the saying and thinking there is a crazed ape in the news and against the stimulus bill i will try to do a cartoon on that. that is where you need an editor to say people will think that is obama, you cannot do that. it became a huge thing. i do not know what was in his heart, but when i saw it, i thought i could see me doing something stupid like that. that is why you need an editor. >> thank you. name is troy alderson. how do you avoid getting burned out? you have to do a cartoon everyday.

>> bert had this thing for calvin hobbes. some have taken breaks. the one thing that is similar with them is they were not political cartoonists. if you do a comic strip, you have a few characters and you create a world and reside in the world and will live in the world the rest of your life. for us, we have the best scriptwriters working for us in washington. they are giving us new material, plus we're doing something because of the conversation we're doing with the audience and are dealing with very serious thing sometimes, we get to vent. i think there is an additional element for us as well. i think it gives us a lot of

juice. mike makes it sound really easy. he talks about the panic side of it, and i completely understand it. all the neurons have to be operating to do this. you can become really exhausted at the end. there is a concern, do i have 12,000 heart tunes in this ? can often cause a little bit of a panic. thathing is that for all it takes out of you to do it, you get it back. tomorrow being read by other people, getting comments from others. also, being with my colleagues and seeing their take on the we are in aalized very special and deeply honored

to be able to do what we do. i would agree with that and say i am so excited every day to come in. it is not a job. this is what i always wanted to do. those guys had to go seven days a week. vacations. got we get vacations. so we do get our days off. in and drawing pictures. someone else's digging a ditch. i am excited to go to work. honored and privileged to have the job. >> great to have you here. thank you for coming. yes information about iraq.

we will be out the door. thank you very much. [applause] spoke toanchin reporters about the government shutdown and the debt limit negotiations. john hogan ofrks, north dakota talking on the senate floor about the government shutdown. >> it is positive, extremely positive. you just feel good when you see the senate start working the way you know it should work and congress hopefully moving in the right direction. we should never get to a shutdown. i have said this before. to serveaken an oath the people. not to basically invoke any hardships or pain. should be to prevent that from happening. when this happens, the self- inflicted pain, that hurts. hurts from that standpoint.

we will get this done. i feel very confident. the leaders are very positive. they are working in the most positive manner. i would have to say they have an outline of what they want. i think it is just putting the dates and times and making sure it works for everybody procedurally. i know four of them are supposed to go to the president to meet with him at the white house sometime today. they are all working together. the house is just as important as the senate. we all work together. takes both of us. i feel good about it, i really do. i come to the floor today to make an appeal or action, action on opening up the government and action on addressing the debt

ceiling. of course that requires bipartisan effort. that is something that colleagues on both sides of the i'll have to work together to accomplish. ,e have been negotiating now not only their leadership, senator reid and mcconnell, but the members of the body, we have been negotiating and talking about many different ideas, but now we need to come together and find a way to address the debt ceiling and to get the government open. the kind of ideas we have discussed include a short-term extension of the debt ceiling. certainly members on my side of we have to also address the underlying problems that are leading to the growing debt and deficit. asneed savings and reforms part of addressing the debt ceiling. also, we have talked about ideas

for a continuing resolution to reopen the government. lawthat follows established , by that i mean the budget control act, which establishes budgetary caps that need to be in place and honored as part of the agreement. the continuing resolution we have talked about would include flexibility for agencies to prioritize spending subject to congressional oversight, but we have to have budget discipline. we are spending more than we are taking in. we have to exercise budget discipline. also, we talked about ideas that might include addressing the medical device tax amah possibly repealing the medical device tax were at least referring it for two years and paying for it with

pension smoothing under provisions similar to those in map 21. talked about income verification under the affordable care act to avoid fraud. ideas that republicans have put forward. i think there has been brought up support for on the democrat side of the aisle. composed of these kinds of ideas would open government and address the debt ceiling on a short-term basis, but the reality is, we need to find savings and reforms to address the underlying problems that are driving our deficit and debt as part of a debt ceiling agreement. we need to have savings and ourrms that underlie problem. the problem that we are spending more than we take in.

we cannot just raise the debt ceiling for another year at a trillion dollars in debt to the dutch we are ready have of $17 trillion. kind of like going to the bank. you go to the bank and talk to the banker and say i want to increase the loan i have and want to increase mice but it -- credit limit. he may be willing to give you but he will say what are you going to do to address the underlying problem? the president identified more

billion dollars in changes in savings and reforms that he could support for mandatory spending programs. we talked about those times. now is the time to implement savings and reforms to the mandatory spending programs. i will give you an example of one that i have been hard at work on for the past two years. that is the farm bill. we work hard on changes and improvement and strengthening the crop insurance. that is what farmers and ranchers want. as we work through that, we have identified 25-$30 billion in savings we could generate by reforming the farm program. i am a member of the conference committee on the senate side.

go and resolve the differences. stronger farma program and save billions of dollars. those are the kinds of mandatory spending reform programs we need to put in place as part of the debt ceiling agreement. and we need to find a common commitment am a bipartisan commitment and a commitment on the part of the administration come as well as the congress, to do that. he talked about addressing the debt ceiling. that is what it really means. does not just mean raising the debt ceiling. it does not just mean our wing -- borrowing more money. it means fixing the problem. so we need to act. have a common commitment, a bipartisan commitment to solve the underlying problems, to get the

reforms and savings that will ensure we are not spending more than we are taking in. of course a big part of that is economic growth as well. we understand that. i would argue this is the point, this is that time are we truly come together in a bipartisan way. i think the markets would react. i think business across this country would react. this misses large and small would react because the certainty of knowing we are truly dealing with our debt and deficit would give them the confidence to invest and hire more people. not only bringing people back to work, reducing unemployment by getting economic growth. not by raising taxes but economic growth, broadening and growing the base, generating revenue to help with deficit and debt. theink by putting

commonsense reforms, solutions in place as part of the debt ceiling agreement, a commitment of thehat on both sides aisle, we will unleash the power of the strongest economy in the world and economic growth will be a huge part of solving the deficit and debt as well. it is vitally important that we do it. vitally important. .he strength of our country to get people back working, and most of all, for our children and for future generations. i do not believe there is anyone in congress, senate, the house or anywhere else that wants to leave our children a $17 trillion debt. we can do it. now is the time. with that, i yield the floor.

from texasarks republican congressman joe barton. he spoke monday about a possible deal in the house. >> you know more than i know. the senateer on floor and talk to some of my senate friends. they do not have a deal yet. conservatives are afraid if they get a deal it will not be a very good deal. >> is a concern the duration that you only go to january and february? let me just speak for myself. governmentt the down, which no one wanted to do on either side because of the debt ceiling we have to make the next week or so.

from my point of view we would need to put up clan in place. spending is out of control. i will not vote for anything that does not do that. is a bigcare issue issue. a huge new entitlement. not sustainable. it is unlikely to get the president to repeal. i would focus on reforms to obamacare in the short term and really work hard on the plan to get the budget back in balance. the sequester. the conference by itself is not. i cannot vote for something that does not have substantive cuts right now. worried this is a way to take a look at the sequester? the sequester is saving money

in the budget deficit is down and part of the mechanism. that is supposed to be a 10 year process. all of my liberal friends voted for it. most of them a year and a half ago. i consider that to be something like just like obamacare. people may think the sequester process is off the table. >> does not sound like you are too crazy about the emerging deal. >> all i know is what you guys know. reforms.no spending just kick the can down the road. does avert any type of crisis on the debt. it is a short-term version because there is no mechanism of overtime and reduce the need to borrow more money. from your you hear

constituents? >> there are two camps in my district. one camp is mainly for load workers. furloughed workers. the majority want us to hold the line and get real reform. >> what do you expect to hear tomorrow? >> i hope to hear house republicans will hold the line and insist on what i have just been talking about. >> you do see economic applications? the argumentuy about default because the president and secretary of the treasury have flexibility. we have more than enough cash to come in to pay interest on the debt coming due. do not have enough money to pay everything because we are running into investments of 800 billion per year.

we have enough money coming into pay the things that actually -- absolutely have to be paid, interest on the debt, social security, military pay. i would say retirement. people take me can hold off a long time. >> why is that? >> i think the big problem facing the country is out of control federal spending. sooner or later we will have to address it. i think now is as good a time as any. mean you will encourage the speaker? >> i would say any deal. in needs to be a good deal. no deal is better than a bad deal. balance theto budget and 5-10 years is not radical. a mechanism to begin to reform entitlement programs is not radical. some sort of a mechanism to take

a look at obamacare. the president has voluntarily suspended some of those mandates. it does a rates the entire obamacare if we make it voluntary for six months or a year. there are a lot of ways where the president gets his law but people like me get a little sanity in implementation so we do not force it down the throats of the american all. i do not think that is a radical proposition. think you all. -- thank you all. >> one more question. [inaudible]

>> the house is back in this morning, and according to majority leader eric cantor's office, they could take up legislation related to the debt ceiling. they are in at 10:00 eastern for speeches with legislative business at noon. c-span2, live coverage. senate leaders -- >> coming up this hour we will talk to tim polity about the financial effect the government shutdown has had on the economy. ron kind will join us to talk about the latest on the shutdown. ty.tim pawlen

♪ senate leaders appear to be nearing a deal to end the impasse of raising the nations that ceiling and open up the federal government and whether the house agrees remains an open question this morning. good morning everyone from washington on this october 15, 20 13, day 15 of the government shutdown. we will get your thoughts this morning on the emerging compromise on this morning's "washington journal." here are the phone lines -- or put a tweet as well your comments on facebook and e- mail us.