morning at >> up next, newsmakers. about the health care law implementation and its committee role in oversight. after that, american profile with the two lawmakers begin with joe manchin and washington congresswoman. later, remarks from former secretary of state hillary clinton. celebrating the 10th and refers to read -- 10th anniversary. >> we want to welcome back to "newsmakers" congressman fred upton, chairman of the energy and commerce committee. jake sherman of politico and siobhan hughes of "the wall street journal." siobhan, go ahead. >> what was your take away from the hearing yesterday? where will you go from here? will you issue subpoenas?

>> secretary sebelius, we wanted her to come last week. she chose not to. other scheduling conflicts, she said. we have her coming next week to -- and she will give us at least three hours. there will be a lot of questions. there was a line that was on the front page of your paper, i don't remember the byline. it was like "a lot of fingers and no palm." a lot of fingers pointing as to who the blame is. we need to get to the bottom of this. this has not been a story just in the last week or so. we started our investigation last summer. we heard testimony earlier this year, a good number of letters as well. the administration has spent, as you know, hundreds of millions of dollars on this rollout. even though they said they were ready to go and would be ready october 1, it seems like it was so compartmentalized. different players at every

little segment. they did not do the ned -- end- to-end testing prior to a week or two before october 1. we know the real troubles that are out there. i was on a phone call this past week with some radio folks back in michigan. one of the announcers, in fact, had gotten the notice for him. his health insurance was canceled. of course, that breaks the first promise. if you like your health insurance, you can keep it. was told he had to sign up for the affordable care act, obamacare, and was totally frustrated trying to get online. we have a lot of questions. >> just a quick follow-up. who was responsible? do you take the contractor's word that it was really cms' responsibility? >> they all pointed at cms and, in essence, the administration. we will get to the bottom of this. the ways and means committee

will be chairing with cms. we will be having secretary sebelius on wednesday. i think we learned a lot earlier this week. we have a lot of questions for them to find out who made the decision, why if they knew it wasn't going to work, why wasn't it delayed? the president made the decision back last summer on the business mandate side of things. we had a vote on the individual side. and the deadline stayed in place. we have a real mess on our hands. >> you heard a lot, like you said. do you think it's the government, the contractors? from what you've heard so far, and that's a good deal, who is really -- >> this is was -- this was supposed to be a user-friendly service. the promise was you could keep your health insurance if you wanted it. you are forced into this new

program, this new design. it was described by everyone as if you're born -- going to order pizzas or flowers or whatever. it does not work. that's the easy part. signing up ought to be the easy part, anyway. the hard part is when those same folks need some type of medical care next year, when it is in place. whether or not that registration really carries through to the doctors office or the hospital, how are they going to get reimbursed, what are they going to do for fraud and abuse that may arise in the system -- they said it would be on time, ready to go, spend hundreds of millions of dollars to do it, but the proof is in the pudding. who is to blame? i think that the way that it was set up, it seems like there was no overall program manager other than the department of hhs.

they are going to -- kathleen sebelius, the secretary, is going to have to answer through that -- for that when she comes to testify. >> did the contractors deliver? >> they said they did. they said we did what we said we would do. but the way that it was established, it was just all these pieces together that then were never tested. in the end, that's where the real problem came. and when they did test it, it was a small number of testing. it still crashed. somewhere, someone should have decided, you know what, this is not ready for prime time, we have to have a new date. we will try to find that out next week. >> so, they earned their $292 million? >> i don't know. one of my colleagues said, i've heard everything but an apology.

it is a pretty substantial sum of money. you can imagine as the administration is working to fix this 24/7, bringing in all these different teams -- we don't necessarily know who they are -- what that bill will end up eating -- being at the end of the day. >> you have got money from this. you have hampered hhs and cms' ability to do this. how do you respond? >> there is a $2 billion slush fund. that is where a good number of these dollars came from. it does not seem like they have cut any money from trying to sign people up. it is just ineptness in terms of where things are. and when you look at the changes on obamacare, even the president, of course, refers to it that way, so it is not meant as a slight in any way, he has made a number of changes.

he has dismissed or given a one- year delay for the business mandate. with all the evidence piling up that this was a disaster, they should have looked at a year delay as well. i know since we had our hearing thursday this last week, there is a number of members, republican and democrat, that are calling for delay. we will take a look at that. >> it sounds like there's something there. >> we are going to be looking at this. you will remember that in the house last summer, the end of july, when the president made his announcement that the business mandate would be delayed, we thought, what's fair is fair. it ought to be on the individual side as well. we had a vote. almost every republican voted

for it. a good number of democrats voted for it as well. senator manchin, senator shaheen -- all three democrats. they have been calling for delays, too. >> on the penalty, you are talking about? >> there will be some discussions in the next few days. >> it sounds like something is happening behind the scenes. >> it is not done. we have identified and highlighted some real trouble. certainly, real frustration with signing up for this plan as well. a number of tv shows in the last couple of days have brought in people to try and sign up and cannot do it. we did it yesterday at the hearing.

a couple of our colleagues turned on their ipad and got a complete blank screen. people were told to call in a couple of days. that has happened, i presume, hundreds of thousands of -- to hundreds of thousands of folks across the country. they are being forced out of their present insurance plan, told to sign up for this and cannot do it because of the failure of the system to operate. >> you think the penalty should be -- >> the white house announced there would be a six-week delay, i think? that is under the guise that they will get their act together pretty soon, right? i'm not so sure that happens. >> you mean you might go beyond oversight and there might be legislation? >> we will see. discussions are starting.

we learned a lot this last week. we are going to learn more, i presume, this next week. this is people's healthcare. it is a lot of money out of their own pocket. a lot of changes. where this leads, time will tell. i think we are going to try to take the evidence that we saw this week and see what adjustments we might be able to make, particularly since some of the headlines friday in politico were -- almost every democrat with a tough race said we've got big trouble. >> how active should we expect the energy and commerce committee to be? are we talking about hearings every week? preview what it will look like. >> first of all, there's a couple of committees that have jurisdiction. it is not just us. dave camp and ways and means will have cms come testify on tuesday. we have darrell issa, the government reform committee. i don't know what precisely is

going on in the senate. we are going to continue our oversight role, as we should. we have two subcommittees with jurisdiction, our health subcommittee and the oversight subcommittee. a lot of questions are raised related to the security of the individual's information that they put into the system as well, knowing that they are changing the number of lines to make it work. there are a lot of issues that are out there. i don't know that we will do it hearing every week just on this. we've got a lot of other issues as well, whether they be energy, telecommunications, trade, etc. there is only so much time in the day. with my bill years ago to add daylight savings time, that gave us an extra hour. we may need extra weeks to try

to pore over this mess that we've got in front of us. then we heard at least one side say -- >> we have heard at least one side say, "not my job." >> they were under oath. they were a little careful in terms of how they answered the questions. really, there was a communication breakdown between the contractors -- clearly, there was a communication breakdown between the contractors and the administration in terms of where they were. my question was, and i did not get a straight answer, did you just not know that it was going to work, or did you know that it wasn't going to work and not tell us? what is the answer? in essence, they said, we thought their little section of it work. but no one was in charge of the whole string. as a consequence, though they all professed a month, six weeks ago it was going to go fine,

they really didn't know that because they didn't put the pieces together. that is what is sad. >> we just came out of these two fiscal crises. i know you are probably looking forward to another fiscal crisis -- fight in january. >> really looking forward. i am. >> should house republicans take off the table a shutdown down because of obamacare? >> i have heard both leaders, mcconnell and boehner, indicate they don't expect that to happen. i think we can come to an agreement prior to january 15. paul ryan, of course, is helping to lead a conference between republicans and the mcgrath in the house and senate -- republicans and democrats in the house and senate to try to iron out the differences. there are a lot of differences between the two. i read yesterday that he had

certainly taken the tack that we were not going to be raising taxes. that was the line in the sand. he is looking at the sequester, the thread of the sequester, which kicks in in january again, a second round. everyone wants to talk about that. that could be the pressure to try to get an agreement so that we do not have a shut down come january 15. if i was going to vegas, i would bet that we are not going to have a shut down january 15. there were no winners. there were only losers. i say that with a really straight face. i think you will see all sides do their very best to make sure we don't go through january what we went through in october. >> are the days of the funding obamacare over -- of defunding obamacare over? >> i don't think that's going to be on the front burner.

>> does that mean it was a tactical error? >> there were a number of us who did not agree with that tactic. i was one. it was ultimately used to try to get negotiations started between the different forces. because we came to a final agreement, even though it took much longer than any of us would've wanted, it ultimately happened. but it was a mess. i was one of the 87 who voted to end the mess. >> will we see a health-care alternative bill this congress ? charles krauthammer said that paul ryan would put one out in 2014. >> there are a lot of different ideas. our committee, our house

republicans have met for a good number of hours in the last number of months. this is a 2000-page bill. what the president did was simply deny the regulations being written. that is how he delayed the business mandate. we took an early provision that was bipartisan early on to take reference on page 737. it would require that every business that had a 200 dollars transaction annually was going to have to file a 1099 form with the irs. at&t said, can you imagine just the cell phones with us? that is millions of 1099's. we ended that provision. that was bipartisan. we came within -- very close of repealing the medical device tax. i've got a big company in my district, almost $95 million

they would pay. that was a bipartisan idea to end that. i think you will see a number of different ideas. one of the ideas we would -- we talked about come a should there not be a delay in the individual mandate -- one of the ideas we talked about, should there not be a delay in the individual mandate? we'll see a number of ideas move forward. to get them done, they have to be bipartisan. >> what are some other ideas? >> i have not talked specifically to paul about his proposal, but the idea of allowing folks to purchase insurance across state lines. i think there is almost universal support. i often hear defenders of obamacare talk about folks should not be discriminated against if they have a pre- existing condition. i think you have universal support, almost, for that. same thing for children 25 or 26 being under their parents'

policies. i think that is a given. tort reform -- that is something the president talked about early on when he was first elected. pretty substantial savings if you can get something like that done. a lot of roadblocks that we have seen in the past. there are ideas. this is not a perfect bill, for sure. by almost everyone's estimation. and shouldn't we go back and look and examine where these flaws are and see what we can do to fix them? >> what about waiving penalties? is there a point that you have to if it isn't fixed? >> i would like to think that has some bipartisan, generous support. a point was made in the hearing this week about some of the glitches early on, that they were part of part d, a prescription drug benefit of medicare.

that was a voluntary program. you were not forced into it. that was your decision. you had a number of different choices. most states offer a good number of different choices if you want to participate in that or not. i think that would be one bipartisan way. i think it would have some pretty good support. >> have you talked to democrats about that? >> we are just starting. we had some other things that occupied us here for a couple of weeks. i am glad we had the hearing when we did. health discussions will be -- i think there will be a lot of discussions in the weeks ahead about different ways of fixing problems that are clearly there. >> as someone who has been in washington for quite a few years >> not long enough. >> a lot of people talk about the rebranding of the republican party. how do you think that is going?

>> let's face it, the last couple weeks were pretty rough. the polls would show more so on republicans than democrats, but we have to govern. that is what john boehner wants. we are going to have the oversight role on lots of different things. we have 1/3 -- we have the house, the democrats have the senate as well as the white house. to get things done with this divided government, we have to work together in a bipartisan way. if you actually look at what we have done in our committee, whether he be health care, energy, a number of different things, -- whether it be health care, energy, a number of different things, we have had some pretty good bipartisan results. keystone, that was almost 2 to 1. i have sat down with senator wyden a couple of times. they are looking soon at the senate at moving in an energy efficiency bill.

we have some pretty early bipartisan support in the house, too. i have talked to senator wyden. if they are able to move their bill soon, we will take it up in our committee and move with regular order, open process. we have done some hydro electric bills. we have done some good health bills. we have fixed the sgr, the reimbursement for physicians under medicare. that was a three-year process. 51-0, we passed that out of our committee, every republican and every democrat. the press does not always like to cover them. frankly, if you look at the last congress, our committee, we had 88 bills pass. they came through our committee and passed on the house floor. 40 of them got signed into law. the pipeline safety bill -- that was sent to the house, voted out of two committees.

the president signed it into law a year ago. it upgrades the safety standards for every new oil and gas pipeline built in the country. those are some pretty good things that we have been able to move. bill shuster moved a major water resources bill. i think there are three people that voted against it. that is the type of thing that we need to be doing. working together, solving the nation's problems in a thoughtful way. certainly, i'm committed to doing that as chair of the energy and commerce committee. >> we have time for a couple more questions. i want to ask you about pipeline safety. there was a headline about a spill this past week. it was not discovered by the pipeline company. it was discovered by the farmers. >> i read that story. >> it has brought up a lot of concern about going forward with the keystone xl pipeline. the regulations for old pipelines are such that there are no real standards from the

agency that is supposed to monitor them. they are regulated on areas where it is environmentally sensitive or there is a large population, but not in remote areas. >> a couple things. we had a bad spill in michigan a couple years ago that just -- that was just outside my district. i was new to being the chairman of the committee. i said we need to upgrade these standards. we had a number of hearings, brought in all the stakeholders. what can we do to ensure safety? we had millions of pipeline -- millions of miles of pipeline. there are lots of ways to transport oil and gas and other hazardous things. pipelines have a pretty good safety record. but we knew they could be better. which is why i teamed up with a major democrat and former chairman of my committee to the two of us shepherded -- the former chairman of my committee.

the two of us shepherded the bill through with dozens of standards. one of which was that when a pipeline company, under the old standard, they had to report in a timely manner when they had a spill to the federal regulatory agencies. what does that mean? it was literally a day were two before the word came out -- a day or two before the word came out. you have automatic shutoff valves. you do a number of things when a pipeline goes under any type of major river or stream. instead of being just trenched. we saw a spill -- i want to say it was at yellowstone river in montana a couple of years ago. a trench pipeline that had some flooding, some boulders broke a hole in it. a sizable spill. guess what? under the bill that we passed,

it will be dug in 20 feet or so but need the riverbed. -- or so beneath the riverbed. but that applies to new pipeline. the san bruno explosion in california -- a congresswoman from that area came and testified. increased penalties and increased damages. a holy number of things. -- a whole number of things. as it relates to the keystone pipeline, they changed the route. it does not go through the same aquifer that it did before. different routing. nebraska now supports -- the governor now supports it. we knew that there was more that we could do, and we did that. >> but what about the pipelines that exist? your regulation doesn't deal with that. >> eventually, they will be replaced. it is pretty hard to impose a new building standard on literally a million miles of pipelines that are already there. with the keystone pipeline, if

it is ever built, there will be more safety standards on that than what we were able to get signed into law by the president. >> let me just follow up on keystone xl. this will have to be the last question. that oil has been coming into this country for 25 years, and it is coming without the keystone xl pipeline. there are many other pipelines that cross that border. why is it even needed? it is coming without keystone xl. >> we want to be energy independent from the rest of the world. canada has been a major importer of oil and gas. we get a million barrels per day today from canada. a lot of it actually comes into my constituency. then it is piped across the state of michigan. the argument is, if we already get a million bales -- barrels per day, why don't we want to take an additional 750,000

barrels of it and displace what is coming in from maybe a country that is not so friendly to us, whether it be venezuela or someplace else? canada is going to do this anyway. if they don't send it here, they are going to send it someplace else, china, india, who knows? why not take this oil, refine it here, create the jobs here, and use it to displace oil that comes from somewhere else? >> all right. chairman upton, we have to leave it there. we are out of time. thank you very much for being on "newsmakers." we are back with jake sherman of politico and siobhan hughes of "the wall street journal." siobhan, chairman of the energy and commerce committee, fred upton, what did he say about the strategy going forward, dealing with the affordable care act and the glitches we have seen in healthcare.gov? >> this week, we thought the republicans were shifting gears and focusing solely on oversight.

what we heard is there might be some type of legislation around the corner am awaiting penalties around the corner. waiving penalties, perhaps. it was not clear. something might be coming. >> did it sound like they might have some support from democrats? >> these hearings exposed a very flawed website to sign up for health care. the democratic line has been this is unacceptable. this cannot go on. the logical next step would be we are not going to find people for -- fine people for a website that does not work. the question for republicans will be how do they define when the website is working. it will be a tough nut to crack, to put in legislation that the penalty will kick in once the website is operable. how do you define operable? a lot of hurdles there.

there will be discussion and legislation down the pipeline. >> so, if you don't impose the fine, have you effectively delayed the individual mandate, which is what republicans were aiming to do? >> absolutely. the penalty is the mandate, which is what forces individuals to participate. without that, you don't have participation. without participation, are the economics going to work? this will be a tricky needle to thread. >> semantics wise? if you are republican, you are saying i think we just won on delaying parts of the affordable care act. >> for the democrats and specifically president obama, he was not seen as trading a government funding bill for an individual mandate delay. i haven't spoken to the president today, but if he has to delay the individual mandate, at least he is not seen as doing it as allegedly to horse trade

with republicans. there is that piece for democrats. >> you are right that there is a semantic issue. if you just say we are waiving the penalty, that sounds a lot different than we are waiving -- delaying the mandate. they can win rhetorically without winning in fact. >> even if they are not waiving it completely, even if they say the penalty will not go into effect until april or may or june, it is a lot easier -- it does not sound as harsh as we are delaying the individual mandate. >> where you hearing? >> there are some senate immigrants who are up for reelection who are proposing this, along with joe manchin -- senate democrats who are up for reelection who are proposing this, along with joe manchin. what about senator harry reid? >> the unity between harry reid and obama -- they had never been closer. reid has been his soldier on capitol hill. that dynamic is going to remain.

they present an unbelievably unified front. you see that cracking a little bit. we will have to see what republicans choose to do. >> preview for us this coming week. >> we will hear from secretary kathleen sebelius. a lot of republicans want to know did she know how serious the problems were. if she didn't, why didn't she? this is going to be a key moment for her. also, what we heard the contractors say -- they are not sure if, under their contract, they can give congress all the information they are requesting. she will answer for that. >> our cameras will be there for ways and means are also having hearings on the affordable care act. thank you both for being on "newsmakers." we appreciate your time. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] [captioning performed by national captioning institute]

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lawmakers. first is joe manchin. dan washington congresswoman mcmorris rodgers. their remarks from former secretary of state hillary clinton. organization's 10th anniversary. at 8:00 p.m., q and a. >> senator joe manchin. democrat of west virginia. you are a true native. >> absolutely. >> where you born? the hospital closest to my home town of farmington. that was where i was raised and grew up. >> hominid brothers and sisters -- how many brothers and sisters? >> two brothers and two sisters. there are five of us. i have about 20 cousins. and that my grandparents were called mom and poppel.

poppa.a and >> what were your parents like and did you talk politics? >> we talked about it. it was a part of life. michael was a flamboyant politician. was a flamboyant politician. 1947 or 1948, he was elected. he was at least 20 years old. he turned 21 when he was serving. he was one of the famous civil rights before it was even thought about. he was defeated on that issue. he did not think there should be two separate books, one for black children and one for white children. they defeated him on that. that's back in 1950. he served with proper bird. important.always

-- he served with robert byrd. we had to start working. -- and this arguing back and forth and i went back there and there was robert byrd and my grandfather. anderent parts of the bible verses and what they meant. my grandfather said, i think you might want to miss -- meet this person. he is running for united states senator. that was many years ago. , the 1960 imagine campaign change our family because of john f. kennedy. we are catholic. knowing that was going to be a big part of this election, could he break the religious barrier? i never thought there was a

barrier. my home town, everybody worked in coal mines. my father and grandfather had a grocery and furniture store. everybody made about the same amount of money. there was no class that i knew of that i could recall. i never thought religion was a problem. my methodist or baptist friends or whatever, were all the same. in any way, that was a big thing. i would never forget. one night we watching the news and they were talking about in john kennedy got elected, the pope would run the country. i looked at my mom and said thomas i do not and they know the catholics that we know. was putt being said, at to rest. my uncle became a big part of the john f. kennedy entourage. he was big. him and teddy were friends.

he says, brother jimmy you are in charge of little brother teddy to make sure he is the oratorical skills. these are in some of the looks if you read the memoirs. every time he got down, he would want teddy to imitate to make him feel good. that is what really got me interested. i saw this young, vivacious president that i can remember thatisenhower -- before and he was more of a grandfatherly figure. now i see this young person who is a leader of our country that plays football and athletic and swims. he really got me excited about that. i got a scholarship lane football at wvu. i went in there and met my wife. we were married. i got hurt playing football. my grandparents and the whole block of burned down. we lost everything.

the coal mines burned up. the dollar happened in 1968 in a short amount of time. we had 50 a miners that cow blown up -- 58 miners that got blown up. my dear uncle john was one of the fatalities. with the coal fields and understanding the real challenges that we had any opportunities that it provided. my next-door neighbor was harry dunbar. in 1954, i was seven years old. harry used to play ball with me full top right across the street. one night he did not come home. his wife, i said when is he coming home? the mine had just blown up. she said he will be late tonight. two or three days went by and she is probably trying to figure out how to tell this seven year old boy that he is not coming

home. i recall that. i really do. fast-forward to 1968. my uncle, the same person who lived in the same house and that pinchy was on the same cutting machine that he was on. this is all part of who we are. fast-forward to when i become -- i got involved and how i got involved. it morphed into that. >> i want to come back to a couple of points. campaign. was virginia was a predominant state. predominant protestant state. did you work for kennedy? >> i was 13 years of age. i will never forget, i was in , i was on a go kart. my mom kept saying i want you to meet some people. i was thinking the mom, i am dirty and greasy.

it was the kennedy brothers. bobby and teddy. they were having spaghetti and mama was feeding them. all of the excitement. this whole arrays that our not just oure, family but the whole state. it was a turning point. dad, our car was in the parade. we were proud of that. 1958 chevrolet. i remember the impala. john kennedy road in that. into that. uncle jimmy would travel with them. he was sure the stories with us. i was kind of involved. because i knew every time they were here or there what they did

and how the president was a regular person. coming from a completely different culture. >> the 50th anniversary of his assassination. do you remember where you were that friday morning? >> i had, off of lunch. was going into english class. i was a junior in high school. i just gotten my driver's license. was walking to class. in.our teacher walked i will never forget it. mr. matthews, also one of our coaches. he said the president has been shot. on,first reaction was, come stop kidding. he said i am not kidding. it is series. he has been assassinated. you all need to go home. we beeline home. ,y whole family, my grandfather

our grandfather was there. -- uncle, ogle jimmy jimmy, who was working for the kennedys, everybody was there. just out of the clear, my grandfather said him a we have to go to washington. license ih my volunteered to drive. poppa had a 1958 cadillac. we all piled in. i had my uncle jimmy and my poppa and my cousins. it was seven or eight of us. we drove to washington. my sister was living in arlington. we got here and my grandfather said, i have to go to the casket. longands in line all night to pay homage to the president. kid, remember, it little if you see pictures you will see children hanging in trees. that was probably us.

i remember little john john. the casket and so many memories. every time i visit my sister, i go to the grave and say a prayer. to walk to they cemetery. the president grave was right there and the eternal fright -- plane. i would say a prayer. one thing i went there and there was security everywhere. i thought something had happened. more than the crowds. they had to have some kind of order to these visits. it kept a few years after. >> from your perspective, did we change as a country after his assassination was mark >> in my eyes, we did. reason, i grew up in

the most peaceful time. after world war ii, i was born in 1947. were, --vietnam, korea was, i was too young to know what was going. it was a good time in america. all of a sudden, our lives were shattered. we headed that and two years later martin luther king. you saw the country was really .ot -- it was not as cohesive let's put it that way. it made us understand it was a different place. parentsentioned your and the business they were in. basically, my father was full of italian. they immigrated in the 1900s. hadather, our name was -- i gone back to be little village.

my mother is czechoslovakian. they were born here. americaents migrated to vote up both of them ended up in the coal fields. -- both parents migrated to america. -- both of them ended up in the coal fields. both grandparents had stores. of theer when he got out service started a furniture store in farmington. we growth in the retail business. is retail. it is retail politics. who yourply knowing customer is and made sure they are satisfied. you give the product with a good value and great service. you live and die by the satisfaction of your customers. i put in same approach to government. i've been bit -- i've been in business since i was 10 years

old. i have learned this. ones, myly were the mother and father and grandparents, is who i am. i'm a product of my environment. we growth in area that we had tracks, the railroad tracks ran. we had a buffalo creek. all those little kids living between that, every time a train , my grandmother went and signed. when she did not know is we would ride the train. it would drive her crazy. that is what the train provided. coalead was for -- the that fell off, a lot of people heeded their homes. it was what we lived with. my grandmother was the most kind, compassionate.

if anybody needed a place to stay, you go to mama kay. she made us conscious of our social responsibilities. she had a shower and a little bathroom in the basement. not much. she shared. we had all the different people who would ride the rails in the 1950's. a lot of people would ride the rails. we had names for every body. we had nicknames for all of them. >> what was your nickname? >> we had nicknames for people who would stay. she had three rules. they had to be sober. you have to stay sober. anything, i will feed and take care of you but you cannot swear. you cannot drink and you have to work. it set a good example. i'm a product of my environmental stuff i saw people

met nothing but a little by rules. no work, no eat. i understood that very well. when i see people that are down and out, i say do something. some people need a little bit of help. mama help to them. they got back up. i saw young girls who got pregnant out of wedlock. becauset their house their parents threw them out. they will come to mama kay. i would come home after school and i was see her having lunch with a mother who threw them out. they would have the most productive kid in the world. i have seen it all. i am who i am because of where i am from any varmint i grew up in. >> you ran for governor wants and you lost the primary. why did you lose and what did you learn? >> i did not do a good job. i did not do a good enough job explaining who i was and what i

called the state could be and how we would change the state. i come from this is. my goodness, i grew and labor town. -- i came from business. i do not project it properly. when it was over, i knew one thing. i never lost a race before that. my son was sitting with me. i said, we have been a very honored to be serving people. tonight is not going to be our night. we are not going to win this. it is easy to win. you have to show a little class. i have watched people walk out. there's only one person name on the ballot and that is yours. if you cannot take blame for what ever went wrong and not blame a solo for voting for me, i blame myself. the ideas i had for the state. i lost that election. after that, i did all i could

do. get back in business and to join my private life. my wife and three children. we have eight grandchildren now. with all of that, i was really enjoying that. i got pulled back in. some of the people who work against the undefeated meet in 1996 they said we think we made a mistake. would like to work with you. i said, fine. i would like to work with you to. too.u, >> let me ask you about your uncle who was killed in a mining accident. what did you take away from your personal experience to what happened as governor of west virginia? january, we had a -- and three weeks later we had 2 mi ners, we could not find them.

we lost so many. so many wonderful miners. , i have thing i knew said this before. nobody gives you a manual when you rely on everything you have ever experienced. , you rely you learned on it. you delve deep into who you are as a person. i remember anew, flashback to 1968. local john. -- uncle john. my mother's younger brother. very close. he powered by gun to go hunting. that was before he got killed in the mine. he slipped and fell. new 12 gauge shotgun. he put some scratches on. he also bad as that i will get it fixed. i said, do not worry about it. remember waiting for

news and it did not come. sometimes i set for day and it did not come. i said, that is what is hurtful and cruel. to give relief to people and there are ways to do it. and information was one. it may not be a whole lot of new things to tell you but something every couple of hours. i wanted to know we're doing everything we can at any questions you ask us, i will find out. i am in the command center. i can find out. i want you to have the facts. i am not going to talk to the press until i talked to the family. i learned that basically from watching my mother and aunt and the agony of they -- they went through of not knowing anything. they heard the mine would be sealed and into my own goal. uncle.mb my

it was so dangerous. i learned on that. families depend and if i could do anything as governor, i will sit down with the people, the owners of the mine and say i will ask you to do one thing, make sure they never miss a paycheck. make sure they do not miss a paycheck. if you want to compound the problems, the family cannot take care of themselves through the most difficult times until we can get all of the straightened out. you have to continue a paycheck. and i knew that. i knew that was part of our way of life. people need that. they have to take care of their families. some of those things came back from my experiences and living in the coalfields and being around. you never could've learned that. nobody could've talked that to you. you.ught that to

>> it is safer to be a miner? >> absolutely. it is getting safer. you have to empower the miners. you would never have enough inspectors. you can all the rules but if you do not have a company -- a company i know very well because they are big in my area, have taken the approach if one person sees an unsafe situation they can pull the plug and shut the mine down. he of her situation where people try to stop or shut a mine down they would be fired. that is what we have to change. that is what has to be changed. it has. i want them to let me know if they are in unsafe conditions and they are afraid of their jobs. we have to change that attitude. i think we have. you are doing things to make us safer. the bottom line is, well some

the best of miners in the world. we really do. patriotic -- they are as patriotic as our veterans. i say that with all the respect for our veterans. doingook at what they are for this country and the energy that provide for this country. if it was not for the minds and miners we would not have the economy or the country we have. would not be the prince economy in the world. -- theyus dependable give us dependable and affordable energy. fighting and making people understand that coal is still part of the mix. the largest part of our energy mix. do not make it more difficult. thatme find the technology would continue to clean up the environment. would've done more in the last two decades than ever before in the history. we can even do more. we like to think we have a partner. in west virginia, our government

is working against us. i think they are, too. i am trying to get every door open that i can work with. i'm not going to sit back and not to let them know what we do and how hard we do and how much energy we provide for this country. and some the best coal in the world comes from west virginia. we do not mind heavy lifting. we will do the heavy lifting. would like for somebody to recognize and appreciate. >> based on all of that, you're been washington for a couple of years. if the senate what you expected? >> no, absolutely not. i guess i live that through the byrd and hist reference for this institution. for thisnce institution. i thought it was always country

first estate second. it is not what i see. i see 100 good people. i really do. i do not have anybody i do not like. i like everybody. i try to get along with everybody. i would question some motives and reasons and the purpose of your service. i go back to john kennedy. i keep thinking. i watched the speech on television stop ask not what your country can do for you but when you can do for your country. at means it is our country. we own it. the constitution says we the people. you have to take ownership and care like owning a car. you have to change the oil and maintenance. and now it seems we have a country where people are saying, ask not what your country did to you but what you can do to it. that is a long way in 50 years. i want to get back.

we're still the greatest country. can fix.e problems we economically, we can fix this. country first our and again. it is about this great country. virginia will do just perfectly fine. the people my state are going to do well. i am here with that purpose of how i can serve retail government. how do i serve my customers and that as my constituents. >> what is next for you as smart -- you? >> getting the finances in order. my grandfather, one time i will never forget. i came home and i said i thought charlie will doubt what a beautiful person charlie is. i set the nicest person you ever met one stop he said he would give the shirt off your back. i said he would. he does not have an answer sure

to to give you because he did not work hard enough. 10-year-old 11-year-old kid. talk about busing her bubble. keep yourself strong. not just physically and mentally but financially. people used to say, hey potluck, cap five dollars? no problem. go ahead and take care of the parking lot. he said, don't worried. i am thinking, financially, the oath of office. my code in january, 2005. grandfather popped up in front of me. keep yourself strong financially. i put all of my efforts. i used every bit of capital of mine