congressional hearings and conferences and offering complete gavel-to-gavel coverage all as a public service of private industry. c-span. created by the cable tv industry and funded by your local satellite provider. now you can watch us in hd. >> we want to welcome back to "newsmakers" house appropriations chairmen hal rogers, republican of kentucky. thank you, sir, for join us. >> thank you. >> two reporters here in studio to help with us, daniel newhauser is a congressional reporter for qc "roll call" and derek wallbank, congressional reporter with bloomberg news. derek, go ahead with the first question. question. >> mr. chairman, thank you for being here. as you know, the mood out of the capital is joyous right now practically. paul ryan and patty murry are both saying this will avert any shutdown fears for january 15 and possibly for october 1 as well.

but that is not set in stone yet. there is still more to do. can you walk us through what the next steps are? >> you are right. that is a joyous atmosphere. it was a huge event. it breaks the logjam of getting away from these herky-jerky shutdown showdowns we been going through for all these months and years. the budget number is only the first step. they must take it and break it down for each agency and department of the government. we have to do that before january 15, because that is when the current continuing resolution wears out. we have to pass that bill through the bodies and have it signed by the president by january 15th. that will implement the budget

resolution that was agreed to yesterday by the house. >> sir, i wanted to ask you to comment on something that speaker john boehner had talked about in this past week. these conservative outside groups, you have often been a target of these outside groups for your chairmanship for having to spend and allocate money at a higher rate than they would like. speaker boehner was very adamant, saying they lost credibility, that he is frustrated with their involvement in the process and that they are taking advantage of the younger members. do you agree with his comments? >> generally i do. these outside groups, many of them are stirring up trouble just to raise money to get people to sign up to pay their dues in their organizations. it is a money raising scheme, many of them. they are trying to influence our younger, newer members of the congress to take positions on issues that they are stirring up interest in across the airwaves. look, a member's voting card

belongs to that member. that is how we vote. it goes into the computer machine on the floor of the house and it records your vote. no one will tell me how to vote my card except the constituents. no outside group will dictate what i do. unfortunately, that has been the case here during the last bit. i support the speaker's statements. as an example of the fact that they are only involved in

fundraising, dues paying sign- ups, before the ryan/murray budget was announced, many of these outfits came out not even knowing what was in it. i think the speaker is right on target when he says it has lost credibility. how can you be credible when you take that kind of a blind, unwavering position? >> the speaker also said they were very influential in pushing the conference to shut down the government over whether or not to fund obamacare. you have to make the decision about whether or not to fund obamacare. if you are going to fund it, how? i spoke with the labor chairman, jack kingston. he said he would still try to defund or take apart the law somehow. do you anticipate pushing back against those efforts? do you expect you will fund the law in full? >> the appropriations committee is not the place to legislate. there are house rules against us

using language that legislates authorization language. we are a funding committee. our job is to fund the agencies to the best of our ability. we will go through the regular order of funding the agencies as best we can without attempting to legislate any particular one. >> is that legislating when you defund certain provisions of a law, is that legislating? >> most of the funding is mandatory spending. it's not even appropriated funds. most of the funding for obamacare is in the entitlement side of the budget, mandatory spending, which we do not have a say-so over. that would require a law change authorization. we have not looked at that yet. we will be looking at all of the funding in that subcommittee's jurisdiction and others.

>> you had more than 160 republicans to vote for this budget topline. are you telling your members that is an implicit endorsement that would come after it? >> i will tell them that. whether they will believe it or not, i don't know not. it is true. what we will be doing is implementing the ryan/murray budget agreement they voted for. we will do the implementation of that. i would hope that those who voted for the ryan budget will vote for the implementation. >> you know that these almost always come with a string of things at the very bottom that say "none of these shall be used to insert subject here." you can do anything from epa regulations to horse meat

inspections. it can run the gamut. how do you keep that off when your members have been demanding a lot of that, especially on epa. how do he those off in a way that democrats will still be able to support the bill? >> some of them we will not keep off. some of them we will. that remains to be a subject of negotiations between the house and senate. again, we are a funding committee. not a legislative committee. we will refer many of them to the appropriate authorizing committee in the house. interior authorizing defense or whatever. i do that routinely. refer

members that want something in a writing in a bill and instruct them to see the authorization woman and get them to take it out. >> will you have more than 300 votes for the appropriation? >> i would hope so. that's far in the future. we have to negotiate with a senate governed by a different part. we have a split government, divided government. not to mention the white house. that makes things tough at times. >> the nation, the world is mourning the death of nelson mandela who passed away this month. going back, you were one of four members who voted against the anti-apartheid act and voted against president reagan. why did you do that and do you regret that vote? >> that was a long time ago, 30 years.

like the rest of the world, i mourn his passing. he is a gentle man, peaceful, an icon of peace and goodwill and forgiveness. i mourn his passing. >> at the mandela funeral, president obama got in a kerfunkle because he shook hands with cuban president raul castro. this is something that your florida members object to. now they are trying to insert wording that to limit cuban travel. how do you plan to handle something that routinely comes up. >> we will see what happens when it comes up. >> you have been asking for two

years of budget toplines. we're already well into the year, but you asked with the next fiscal year as well to help you lay target. do you anticipate two-year budget going forward? >> no. not necessarily. the ryan/murray bill which sets the fiscal number for not only 2014 but 2015 was very significant. if we had not been able to appropriate them because they cannot agree on a number for us to appropriate to, until yesterday in the ryan budget deal. now we not only have a number for 14 but we have a number for 15.

we can begin the individual bills for 2015 and bring them to the floor in regular order which we have not been able to do in 10 years or more. that is the big signal part of that bill that i think is most important. it allows us to get the train back on the track and stop these herky-jerky shut down showdowns every few weeks. now we will be able to appropriate for an entire year. on the appropriations committee, they've taken the reins off and now we will be able to roam the pasture. get the job done. >> would it prevent shutdowns in the future it in 16 or 17 you got your budget toplines

together? >> sure. in this world we live in, things change so rapidly and the needs change so rapidly. what you needed a month ago you may not now or you may need double somewhere else. do not get too far in advance. it would only cause more trouble. i think the annual appropriations bill is the way to go. it is the right amount of time for us to anticipate problems and correct the past problems. >> another issue that might come up, and i ask this because you represent one of the poorest districts in the country, unemployment insurance is going to expire at the end of this month.

70,000 kentuckians will lose their long-term benefits. democrats have signaled that they perhaps would like to bring up an extension of ui as either a sidebar or within an omnibus. do you support extending that to americans who are long-term unemployed? >> i have a huge layout problem in my district from the war on coal the administration has waged. we have 7,000 miners that are jobless in the last few months and not much better prospects. however, to extend unemployment would require an act of congress, authorizations coming out of committee and going to the regular process. we cannot do that on an appropriates bill. >> also, sir, in your district alone, 67,000 folks are dependent on food stamps. the house voted earlier this year on a farm bill that would cut this by $40 billion. why did you vote in favor of cutting a program that so many of your constituents depend on? >> later we had a chance to vote

separately for foodstamp increases, which i voted for. >> do you anticipate any farm legislation would cut the foodstamp program? would that be harmful to constituents in your district? >> whatever the farm bill provides, it needs to address the need of people and efforts to try to stem fraud and misuse of that program among others. i would hope the farm bill would have an appropriate foodstamp provision. >> whatever we are looking at in the farm bill right now, the senate had 4 billion, the house was 30 billion in cuts. when you look back to additional foodstamp benefits that is recently happens, you have

unemployment long-term insurance that is going to run out with lack of action later on this month. and then a possible additional cut to food stamps. what is this saying about the republican party's positioning toward people in that need bracket? is it time to be rolling back that level of public assistance? >> the public assistance will be set at a level consistent with the need and the desire to avoid perhaps some people unduly taking advantage of the rest of us. i think we will reach the right median. >> if i could jump in and ask you about the next big date which will be raising the debt ceiling. some have suggested now that republicans, particularly on the house side, some of them voting "yes" for this two-year budget deal for higher spending levels

are now on the hook to raise the debt ceiling to pay for that higher spending. do you agree? >> not necessarily. i think you can make that kind of an argument. i do not think it is 100% transferable. no one knows yet when that is going to come up, when the debt ceiling is reached but it could possibly be in the spring. >> would you raise the debt ceiling? >> it depends on what the conditions are at the time. i've done that before, yes. we've got to pay our bills. >> critics have said that the appropriation committee has not been able to be as productive as you had once been. there are several reasons for that. just looking forward to this

process, you are going to have to put together an omnibus bill. do you see this as a make or break time in reclaiming the ability to do its work? >> i do. i do. we have not been productive because the budget committees never agreed on the number that we used to appropriate. that has been the problem. this budget deal solves that problem at least for these couple of years. now senator mikulski and i have talked about the need for us to get this bill done forthwith with no big hullabaloo. get it over with so we can march on quickly to 2015. this is the first chance we have had since i have been chairman. long before that even for the committee to be able to operate the way it's supposed to be operate, regular order if you

will. two thirds of the house has never been through regular order on appropriations bill. over half the house has been the less than three years. most people in the house had never seen what you and i call "regular order." i am determined to restore that, which in consequence i think it will restore the stature of our committee. >> the goal is to pass the individual appropriations bills for the next year, sometime before the end of september. can you guarantee that is actually going to happen this time? >> that is our absolute goal. in this business i cannot guarantee anything. that is our goal. senator mikulski and i have talked about the need to do that. that is what we're going to try to do. >> what would it say for the house if there had to be need another cr relied on in january

or october? >> what would it mean? >> what would it mean for the congress? the best set up you have had in years in terms of a topline agreement. this is heralded as the end of the word "herky-jerky." going from shutdown to shutdown. what would it mean if we cannot still get it done? >> i mean, it is the holidays, number one. we have less than 30 days, calendar days. we've got christmas and new years holidays and football games and distractions. this is a difficult time to talk about the hard stuff like the appropriations bill for the entire government. that is what we're going to do. i do not see a need for a cr.

if at the last minute we need three or four days, that is another thing. the senate is going through some tumultuous times right now. sometimes they need more time than you would think to do things. that could be a complication as well. >> what about the "minibuses." is there a chance you'd have to break off some of the bills and pass them and break them off into smaller sets of packages, especially since some conservatives object? >> no, it will be in omnibus. >> what about for the next year, the goal is separates? >> absolutely. regular order. that's what i've been talking about. for 2015 will start these hearings on funding 2015 in

february. we will do probably close to 100 hearings, getting ready for the markup of those 12 bills. then we will separately mark up each of the 12 bills in subcommittee and full committee and congress to the senate, senate to the president. i want to do all 12 bills that way like we used to and are supposed to do and directed by the constitution to do. that is what i call regular order. this is the first chance we've had to get back to regular order in my memory. >> you said you might need a cr. there is a possibility. what level would you anticipate marking the cr? there are lots of numbers out there. >> we are not going to do a cr. we can talk about that later that we have to. >> as you are looking forward to

this, talk to me about how you pitch these appropriations bills now to your younger members, especially those who have really bristled at the idea of funding things they do not agree with. you are well aware of the line that came up during the october shut down, shutdown. it is like you voted for the program. how do you pitch compromise to those same members? >> every bill, not every member agrees on what should be in the bill. there will be things in that though i do not like. i had to put them in because we had to get a bill. this is a matter of you've got to work the compromises. that is what appropriations is

all about. we're the city council of the country. you have got to give some things you don't want to give in order to get a bill and most of the things you do like. this is a republican democracy, a republic. we substitute our views from our constituents back home. our constituents don't agree with everything. politics is a matter of doing what you can. >> do you think this omnibus you are hoping to the floor, it is under a rule that allows members to amend it? >> the rule will be set over the course of time. we do not have the vehicle for the bill as yet. we will see what vehicle is available at the time. >> what challenges might arrive at members are allowed to amend it? >> you are getting into the

realm of "ifs" and we are not there yet. >> let me ask a questions where if that is an "if" this is a "dead certain." you're going to have to work with your counterpart from maryland. what is your relationship with the senate appropriations chair? >> very good. i knew her when she was in the house. we served six or so years together in the house before she went to the senate. we have met several times. we had a good chance to work together on the last omnibus of this bill which most people thought was impossible to do. she is pragmatic. she is honest, smart, savvy, tough, easy to work with. we have a great relationship. we spent some time yesterday afternoon talking about all this. >> thank you very much for your time. we appreciate it. >> thank you. i enjoyed it.

>> we are back with our reporters. let me ask derek wallbank about what you heard from the appropriations chairman. going forward, this two-year budget deal looks like it will get through the senate this week. then what happens? >> here is the thing. everybody has been sitting here saying shut down over. crisis done. maybe. sure. one of the things hal rogers was clear on is that is not quite it. there is still another step. just because we got more than 300 votes, which is a good thing, he is quite right. everybody's really happy. but we are not done. there is another step you are. that is to vote for all of the numbers that trickle-down in hundreds of pages of appropriations bills that flesh out what a topline spending number agreed to actually means in real life. >> all 13 appropriations bills put into one big omnibus package.

>> it is an open question. they agreed to the spending of $1 trillion. it has happened in the past where the conference has agreed and then voted against the very bill that was set at that spending level. a big issue has been the affordable care act and funding it. i asked the chairman whether he would fund it. he did indicate that he does support legislating through appropriations bills. he seemed to be saying that he would fund the law. that is a big no-no for a lot of his members. it remains to be seen whether the 169 members who voted for this will still vote for a bill that funds obamacare. there's a very fine line to cross against the finish line. >> 169 republicans voted for

this. what are the odds all 169 turn around and vote for the appropriations bills? >> you vote for the topline number. then you had to vote for the stuff under there. if you sit there and have an october shut down, you fund it, you own it on the health care law. marco rubio was out there saying it. ted cruz was fighting implementation. this has been a very high- profile argument friends and people who are very likely to want to represent the republican party in 2016. january 15 comes and goes there has to be a vote in the republican house the somewhat repudiates that. that is going to be a big vote for a lot of members. we have already seen earlier this year when you get into the budget you start filling that out, it becomes very difficult.

the transportation appropriations bill had trouble because people were reluctant to fill out the votes because it was so hard to fill out the numbers. >> let's not forget we are heading to a midterm election year, a notoriously unproductive time. jack kingston is running for the senate. it would have to be his bill that funds the affordable care act. what fodder would he give to his opponents if his bill funded the law thathe spent years running against? cuba comes up. the epa. the irs. anything as small as funding for public radio. there are so many things that are funded that people have ideological opposition to. a fine line to walk. >> you are on the hook to raise the debt ceiling.

>> it is an argument the democrats have made before as well. it did not get much traction then. i suspect they will make it again here coming up. we have coming up in february, the debt ceiling comes back into play. there are extraordinary measures they can take to extend that. it is an open question whether making it to april 15 on tax day. i think everybody is pretty much saying there may have to be another debt ceiling vote to raise that before the midterm elections. at that point you are in the teeth of primary elections. you have people who are running for the senate. you have people who, paul ryan, who may want to have another stab. all this will come into play with those elections in november as well as the primary elections that will be underway at that

point, very much in focus. >> derek wallbank with bloomberg news, daniel newhauser with "qc roll call" thank you both for being on "newsmakers." >> thank you. >> thank you. [captioning performed by >> the authors of the new 2014 budget agreement, senator patty murray and representative paul ryan appeared on "meet the press" this morning and talked about the deal. >> we did not get everything we wanted, but i will tell you what we did get is certainty for the next two years. we have a point now where we are not going to tell anybody we are going to throw the economy in a tailspin because we have to have something. importantly, a budget agreement is about how we can manage this countries resources so we can have the things i do whetherut, which -- it's education or transportation

infrastructure. we were not managing the country in a way to get the things i cared about. >> on the right, my colleague spoke to marco rubio and he called this an un-american deal. there are other conservatives who say you and others made a promise -- across-the-board cuts. you're going act on that promise and there will be consequences, they warned. >> i reaction to that is the budget control act which created the sequester said to replace the sequester 141, we have exceeded that. this resulted in that episode much.ion great >> but not >> we're not saying this is a massive agreement, it just gets government working. but it has $85 billion of savings from what we called mandatory spending, the autopilot department that congress often ignores, to pay for 63 million dollars of sequester relief. everything you

want a divided government. >> when senator rubio says it's un-american, is it because he's running for president? >> i'm not going to go into his rationale or motivation. i know what i think and i know what i think is the right thing to do. getting a budget agreement that reduces the deficit without raising taxes and prevent the government shutdown is in my opinion the right thing to do. >> the senate move forward on the budget deal and defense programs bill great each passed last week in the house. the senate will return tomorrow at 3:00 eastern time. they will consider the executive nomination of and patterson for assistant secretary of state for near east affairs and jeh johnson for homeland security secretary. votes are expected around 5:30. you can watch live coverage of the senate on c-span2. the house has finished his legislative biz -- legislative business for the year and will be in for a pro forma session tomorrow life here on c-span.

u.s. tradeformer representatives from the george h.w. bush and clinton administrations will discuss the 20th anniversary of the north american free trade agreement or nafta. you can watch that live from this center for strategic and international 30s at 9:30 eastern on c-span2. , dan outgoing gm chairman ackerson will speak about the company and their investment plans. he led gm initial public offering in 2010, 1 of the largest in u.s. history. you can watch his remarks beginning at 1:00 eastern here on c-span. host: joining us from boston is john della volpe, the polling director of the art institute of politics. he is joining us to talk about the new poll looking at millennial's and the support of president obama in particular, focusing on the health-care law for the affordable care act, and

also to more broadly look at the millennial view of politics and public service. thank you for being with us this morning. guest: thanks for having me. good to be with you. host: we have the overall numbers in terms of your poll for the harvard institute of politics. the approval rating for president obama, where does it stand for november, 2013? guest: thanks again for having me. where it stands now is overall, among all 18-29-year-olds in america, the president posses approval rating is down to 41%. this survey was conducted between october 30 and november 11. it has been a few weeks now and we talked to a couple thousand young americans and have been doing it every semester for our undergraduates since 2000. questioned poll shows in particular some disapproval of

the way the affordable care act is being handled by the president. what in particular do you hear? guest: what we hear is overall approval ratings of the affordable care act are essentially the same level where the president's approval level is generally, slightly less than 47%. 38 and 39% of young people currently approved of the affordable care act. what our students were interested in studying this semester was the messaging and the words. we actually asked half of our sample questions related to the affordable care act and the other half, we asked questions related to obamacare more generally. used that term. we found no significant differences when you look overall at the level of approval for the law, regardless of which name you put on it, currently. host: we spend the next 40 minutes looking at the pole and in particular, more broadly, millennial's and their view of politics and public policy. if you are between the ages of

18 and 29, a millennial, the number for you to use -- for all others -- outside the u.s., you can join us at -- you can join us at twitter. we will read some tweets if we get some of those, as well. to be fair about it, the approval rating for republicans and democrats in congress is nothing to write home about. guest: not at all. that is something that may have gotten lost in the last couple of weeks. so many people were focused on relatively low approval ratings of the president, but we saw republicans in congress, the

approval among young people was down to 19% and democrats, it was ms. 30's. we have seen a pretty slow and steady decline of approval ratings, frankly for both republicans and democrats in congress and obama since we began tracking opinions related to his administration in 2009. host: just for our viewers, 35% approval rating for congressional democrats and 19% for congressional republicans. a number that fairly tracks closely to what the polls like the associated press or the gallup pole will show. in particular, in terms of the recent poll you have done, was there fallout from the government shutdown? did you hear some of that in the responses? guest: we did not hear necessarily about the open-ended response in the government fallout, but we did find in the survey it actually motivated young people to participate to a greater extent than perhaps they would have in midterm elections when we asked them if the

current mood made it more likely or less likely for them to participate during the midterms. we think it might have a motivated -- motivated them more to vote next year. it will not be good news for many incumbents across america. host: a national journal story looking at your poll, the headline is -- why is important millennial's support law? guest: a couple reasons. i would argue if it were not for millennial's, we would not have had barack obama as president today. very well likely would have been hillary clinton. it was in iowa caucus that three times as many moneyless showed up as before. by a margin of five-one, they supported barack obama over hillary clinton.

they had a significant role throughout the general election of 2008, as well as 2012. millennial's have been one of the two or three most important political groups associated with the president over the last four or five years, number one. number two, when it comes to the health-care law, certainly a lot of economics would indicate it is important that younger and healthier people sign up for the law. in order to compensate for older and sicker people, in order to bring the risk pool down and the cost down for everybody. that is the exact message moneyless have been hearing for the last few months. from a young person's perspective, it is not the most attractive benefit of the law, currently. i think the president and his administration have tried to reset the stage and reset the messaging. we will see how effective it is over the next couple of weeks and months. host: we go to denise. good morning. our millennial line. caller: thank you.

my opinion is the fact that i believe the aca did not go far enough. i have lived in three countries where we had national health, and the false statements made by republican about national health is ridiculous. as for the president, his support would be a lot higher if he did not have this congress to deal with. they are blocking everything he tried to do. they continue to block him. if he could do half of what he wants, i think things would be a lot better. a hell of a lot better in the united states. they are just not supporting him. that is my opinion. thank you. host: thank you. john. guest: i think there is a lot of

truth to what denise is talking about. when you look at follow-up questions we asked, young people think by a margin of 2-1, the quality of their care would the crease under implementation of the law. by a margin of 5-1, they indicate to us they think the cost will rise. it seems to me the republican message is, and those groups lined up to oppose a law, their messages have resonated to a greater extent in favor of young people signing up through an exchange. host: i want to ask you about the methodology. do you believe the amount you pay will increase, decrease, or say about the same? under that tommy you have two different areas, two different

pie tarts. one was on obamacare and the other, the affordable care act. you asked the same question using a different term. guest: exactly. that is the benefit of the work we do with our students. every semester, we talk to 2000 or 3000 young people. only between his -- the ages of 201029. it lines up with the significant findings we have found around approval of the president. their samples are only a couple hundred young people. that can be significant when the differences exist. for us, we talked to 2000. it allows us to ask 1000 people one question and another 1000 people another wetjen. that is what we did. we asked 1000 people the overall opinion of the affordable care act. 39% approved and 56 disapprove. when we asked the second sample the same question about obamacare, 38% approved and 57% disapprove. it does not matter how you talk about the law, opinions are the same. there could be differences when

you look at subgroups, democrats and republicans, but big picture, it is about the law and not the name. host: here is mary in wisconsin. good morning. caller: if the president could determine what we need for our health care, it is going to be very soon, people are going to see what will happen when they are making decisions about our health care, what medications we can get, and if those are not effective, we move onto the next set of drugs. people will not be happy with that. without your health, you have nothing. it is not the issue of how expensive the health care is. it is who will make the decisions. the doctor will no longer be making those decisions. it will be some group of people on a panel saying, ok, she can

get this because she is 20 and he cannot have this because he is 50. we have already seen it happening. people will be really concerned and health is the only thing we need in life. health and happiness. but with obama passing this law and being dishonest, how dishonest will they be once they start making decisions? host: let's hear from our millennial's line and go to dylan in lexington, south carolina. caller: i wanted to say, you know, as far as millennial's, a little support for obama, you know, that demographic, they tend to be more liberal. they get kind of trapped in the moment, especially for the telling that the approval ratings for obama care is nearly identical to his overall approval rating. i think sometimes, maybe, with

millennial's, idealism, maybe they lose a little bit of perspective, you know, in the larger scheme of things. you know, how obama tried to end don't ask don't tell, challenge doma, you know, you know, check up the mantle of the health care in the first place. there was a lot of progressive change he did try to take up. maybe i guess i think, just speaking as a millennial, maybe my generation just kind of got blindsided by reality a little bit. host: before we let you go, if you had to define your politics, what would you say? caller: i am more liberal. but i think, again, that is part of my generation. host: thanks for your call. john, we talked a little bit about being blindsided by some of this.

guest: the millennial generation, it is interesting. in the largest generation in the history of america, almost 25% of people in the country today fit within the definition of the millennial generation. not only people between 18 and 29, but typically people between 1980 and 2000. 13-33 years old. we only focus on 18-29 youth vote. one of the more interesting trends we have picked up, we are beginning to see a cleavage between the older element and the younger. an example, among young people between 18 and 24, only 31% consider themselves to be democrats today. when the president was inaugurated in 2009, the number was 43%. there was a 12%

decrease in the number who consider themselves democrats. the 25 and 29-year-old category, we set -- we have seen the numbers they study. the older millennial's who came of age with the obama campaign and the movement in 2008 have been more loyal to him than the younger millennial's who came of age at a very different time on the brink of recession and they have a very different relationship with obama, those people who voted for him for the first time in that election in 2012. host: john, a question on the methodology from twitter. rick asks, -- guest: great question. no. we surveyed all 18-29-year-olds. we have high school students, community college, college students, grad student, people

who never extended their level of education beyond high school, and folks who graduated, etc.. the survey represents all 18-20 nine-year-olds regardless of the education. host: what of the findings in terms of breakdown by race? -- they say from november 2009 to 2013, 36% say they will vote in the next generation. 37% of black when you overcome a job from 49%, and hispanics are about the same. any reasoning why african- american millennial's say they will not be voting in the next midterm elections? guest: that has been a significant series of findings

over several questions in the survey. we have really seen the support soften for the president, generally, among actually young african-american black one yields. the percentage of young people who overall approval of the president posses rating is down nine points. it is well over 70% still. it is close to 74%. we saw a nine point decrease in the last six or seven months. a significant decrease in the percent of young african- americans who think the country is headed in the right direction. it is an overall disapproval of the way things are happening in washington dc. so much of the way young black people think about politics is through the prism of the white house. the fact that health care law is having a difficult time being marketed and overall levels of trust are decreasing in washington dc, indicates young blacks do not feel as connected

with the government as they might have in 2009 headed towards a 2010 midterm. they are less likely to participate. host: on these approval ratings in general, a tweet about that. -- is that something you can really determine in the poll you do? guest: that is a difficult question. the press has always played a role. these numbers are not good for the president. nobody wants to be below 50%. but he has been there before. most recently, heading in to the 2012 campaign. when you have a campaign, you are able to focus your position and compare it to a political opponent. during 2012, we saw his approval ratings increase. i will also say, when we follow

a question regarding obamacare and the affordable care act, we ask, where are you getting most of your information? i believe the number one answer was, mainstream press. press is important. they are driving what currently is not a positive narrative regarding health care. but i question whether they are just relaying information that they find from congress as well as the white house and administration. host: our guest with us is the director of polling for the harvard institute of politics. the new poll is, five trends and five key findings, surveys of young american attitudes toward politics and public service. we look at some of the other areas as well that you found that the poll. let's hear from pennsylvania, good morning to tom. caller: good morning.

the primary question i have is, did you ask about the education level and the income level of the people you were pulling echo polling? so many people are so profoundly influenced by their own prejudices. this man who sits in the white house right now, and i am a republican, this man is the smartest to sit in the white house since john kennedy. the republicans have been hell- bent to drive him out of the picture. you also talked about black participation in the upcoming votes and such. these people, they have to be profoundly disappointed by the treatment this black president has gotten. i think the primary mistake the man-made is that he thought he could compromise with bullies.

you cannot do that. the only thing they understand is that your fist is bigger than theirs and you will knock them down and keep hitting them until they cannot fight back. that is the mistake he made. he was going to compromise with these jackasses. host: we will get a response. guest: yes, the survey is very detailed. we sample individuals based on where they live and then they conduct a survey via the internet. we ask detailed questions about education level, education and income, whether they own or rent or live with their parents, a variety of other questions, to make sure the opinions expressed in the survey are reflective not just of one segment of millennial's, but of all people in the country between 18 and 29 years old. host: this is a poll you have done since the beginning of the obama administration?

guest: the number in the trends we are talking about are reflective of the polls we have conducted from the obama administration 2009. this is a 24th edition of the survey that we began working with since 2000. we are talking about the first survey, in 2009, nine months, 10 months after the nomination of the president. host: jim in south carolina. caller: good morning. the president made it real clear. he said, am i my brother's keeper? many of us voted for him in saying, yes, we are. when it came down to a bill crafted by the president, and it only required them to pay $300 more a year or whatever, health care him a depending on the plan i'm a they say no. we are the ones who voted him in, and yet we are not willing to pay up or pony up a little

bit even $300 a month and we complain. i do not understand it. if you vote for a socialist and someone who has socialistic politics, you ought to pay the cost and share the wealth. i am beleaguered at my generation that we cannot see that. i do not know why the fellow who just called, it is not about race, it is about money. it is about them not paying for a plan that they in essence voted for. guest: i think the jury is out. currently, when we spoke and interviewed young americans, one of the pieces of data we pulled out were, among the people who do not currently have health insurance, we asked them what your opinions are and how likely would be to enroll. today, 29%, less than one third of folks who do not have health

insurance indicated they are likely to enroll deftly or probably will enroll. another 41% are on the fence. it is still early. if anyone knows anything about millennial's, they typically take every single moment to make up their decision, whether it is writing a paper or other parts. they typically work to the very end. because we see less than one third indicated they will sign up today, there is still seven months left while they have that opportunity. i think they are open to a dialogue and a conversation about the pros and cons associated with its exchange. they need to be treated like adults. they need to have a conversation and understand how this fits into the other issues they are dealing with, coming from an economic point of view, as well as the trust and role of government providing such a solution. host: we are talking about the budget and other segments, the

harvard institute poll not only talked about the affordable care act, and how millennial's view it, and also in terms of cutting the budget. the headline in one of the charts was -- in particular, on foreign aid, you write the fold -- the poll found 71% of the time, 18-29- year-olds and a majority in each party -- that sort of view is resonating with people like senator rand paul of kentucky, calling to reduce some foreign aid to countries like egypt. guest: what our students were interested in is not just understanding what priorities were but understanding what priorities would be in a difficult budget cycle. what we did, in this exercise

within the survey, we had six proposals that would reduce the deficit by about $200 billion over the next several years. we had another six proposals that would reduce the deficit by slightly less than $100 billion. we took each of those six proposals and did a comparison. would you favor a or b? when we did that, we found, as you indicated, a majority of democrats and republicans and independents supported the buffett rule. in a partisan time, to see a significant level of support across the three big political categories, indicates there is a lot of support for that from rand paul, from the right, or from whoever could be the democratic candidate. on the right on the other side, we saw similar levels of support

for cutting and reducing foreign aid. again, generally, but also when it is compared to things like cutting entitlements, they prefer to cut foreign aid first in reducing the nuclear warhead arsenal before cutting in to entitlement programs. host: what sort of stories did you get in terms of how connected millennial's are to foreign aid or the buffett rule and other political topics being debated? 25%omewhere between consider themselves to be politically active. we conducted in this round of research, qualitative research with some focus groups -- it's

important to understand their , every single day to deal with these things within around households. love the people we talked to had not just one job, but sometimes to to -- two jobs, that they have to save money to get a house or apartment. there is a lot of things that young people are dealing with your day have to take politics seriously, but it is just one part of their lives. for young people who have been engaged, they need to be empowered and challenged to do so from both republicans as well as democrats. they will do it, but i think what young people are saying is there are a lot of things imported in their lives, and you want to have a conversation about obamacare, affordable care act, or anything else, let's have it he