>> answer, important to remember, it is true that every member of the media -- i can tell you, we are desperate and falling apart. ago, and when people complain about when the media did this or that, i will guarantee you 99% of the time it is not about a conspiracy, it is about incompetence polls -- incompetence. the media is not the solution it once was, and for sure the big that in tv cameras and changes of course the legislation -- that is not the model anymore. the model is you can make your own media and you are talking about that. you have to do that all over the place. what yourself out there -- >> social media -- >> and it is about theater. journalist, but i will tell you it is the theater of policymaking and the theater of legislating action that does attract attention whether it is

in the traditional or nontraditional media. continue toat there be hearings in congress that move from one committee to another committee about what happened in benghazi? is there any possibility that that is going to end up in some legislation or some meaningful thing? no. it is just a show. you give doing it over and over again, you hijacked other committee meetings to talk about this topic because the people organizing understand there is an audience i will react to that and overtime there is a lot of news coverage of it and there is a tremendous amount of activity around it on the internet. so i would ask -- when was the last time any of us saw a story -- and maybe we have seen them -- but when was the last time there was a story about the origins of a gun that ways used to kill a police officer? have we seen a story? -- that story? shouldn't it be that if you are a policymaker or legislature that is concerned about this,

shouldn't it be that not just the terrible, tragedy stories we are more familiar with in terms of the sad news, in terms of the young people get killed in these terrible circumstances, but when a police officer dies, that is something that even the second amendment folks know, will all be in agreement about how well,ble that is, -- what doslatures we do to legislate to make sure this is not happen again? that is the other thing i would point out is that immediately -- a year ago, immediately after that terrible tragedy, there was that on my campaign that mayor bloomberg financed that had the actors, and some of it actually turned me off, who are these actors, why are they the ones telling me what i should think , but people reacted to it in a lot of different ways. it actually had momentum and it did make a difference. and then it went away. i think a lot of people -- i do

not think the movement toward more gun safety legislation or gun violence legislation, i do not think it was defeated by the other side, i think it was as resisted long enough for the movement to back off. >> in fact, that was one of the issues, as it was unfolding, after newtown. the opposition -- and they were simply waiting for it to fizzle out. they were waiting for the attention to shift. and that is one of those things in terms of how you had to actually keep it going. go back to the other issue, i will go to the floor with questions and comments in about 10 minutes. let me ask this question first, because i think it ties into all the things we are talking about, one of the things we keep hearing is narrative and storytelling and communication. or straight -- stored state legislators ?r elected officials

how many of you have twitter accounts? how many of you use your twitter accounts? [laughter] twice today? that is it? how many of you are on facebook and are asked -- active facebook users? how many of you are on instagram? now, here is why i ask him put that out there. have an all, i do increasing number of younger users who are on instagram compared to twitter and facebook. i put that out there because you actually have to be on all of them because that is where people are. i know some of you are sitting here saying man, look, that is just way too much, but the reality is, and you might be

saying that, but do realize and understand how social media works. between facebook and twitter, i have got about 400,000 followers. so when somebody says something out that can be retweeted that all 400,000, so while you are leading people out there who can be getting information, and to understand to douglas' point -- people are not watching the evening news the way they used to, i literally read and get more stories every day through my social media accounts then going through any one particular news source. you ares a legislator, trying to speak to issues, you are trying to create public policies, you have to be using social media to your advantage will stop when douglas talked about the issue of creating your own media, the same thing happened, when you look at live

streaming, when you look at all the efforts to stream your own content, if you are doing something, a particular rally or whatever, and you are streaming your content, you are not waiting for the local affiliates to show up. gol all your constituents to here to watch our live rally. that is how occupy wall street -- and folks are going to their live video stream. we have to embrace all of those ways of communication, communication to drive this public policy issue. i want to go to one final issue before we go to the floor with questions. you made this point i want to come back to it. you mentioned education, and you mentioned tartar schools, and the issue of education, i believe, also is a civil rights agenda. about what happens with education, if you look at the numbers of those who are , they are largely black

and hispanic. in terms of the numbers, you look at the schools, you look at where they are located. those parents are saying i am sick and tired of being sick and tired of these failing schools. yet when you have folks who come in and begin to say ok, you were on steve perry last night, one of the folks out there when it comes to education reform, when he is talking about charter skills -- charter schools, which are public schools, when you begin to talk about vouchers and online, i will give you an example that to me is problematic. in illinois, i will not name this legislator, but there was a group of folks that had an online charter school. this legislator opposed it. came on my radio show, and i said question -- have you talked to any of the parents of the kids who go to the online charter school? no. have you talked to any of the kids at these schools?

no. why are you opposing it? i believe a kid should go to a brick-and-mortar school. i said you do know that this generation of children come out the will of knowing how to use an ipad. education andk at retaining information is far different than this generation. before you stand out here and go to the state capital, trying to get this thing thrown out, why don't you go take the time to talk to the very people who go to those schools and say hey, is this working? she finally did, so they realized it was a dumb idea to shut it down. this is a perfect example to me when we talk about education that would happens is we are wedded to a traditional educational system, and if our kids are the ones largely

failing, why are our black legislators -- i want to be clear here because many are in this room -- many of our black legislators are in the way of changingfront our system. that may offend people in this room, but do not act like i do not know the real deal. if you are talking about education as a civil rights, and the issue is not always just budgets and money, how do we get black legislators to look at it as maybe it is not a question of just public schools but realizing that if there is a different way to make sure our kids get educated, we support that different way, and it might mean public, private, charter, homeschool, online school, i do not care what kind of school if you are able to show results and we back that. l knew we were going to go

there. >> i think the thing you're talking about with the parents is very important. in new york city used to that happening with the may oral a legend. election. they voted for him but they said they will fight him on charter because they want to make sure charter schools are alive and well in new york. but you cannot win the battle of going against parents because the parents want options, and i support that. i think once we put that down and say we're going to stop fighting and now we will look at how to strengthen public education because i believe the public schools should be strengthened, but we are going to look at how we strengthen them across the board, then we will be able to get to that place and it is a difficult space. issues one of the many we deal with is this old-school mentality of holding on to what wasn't saying we are not going to change. onto what was and

saying we are not going to change. your point about parents is very important -- parents want to have options. if you live in a neighborhood where you know the school in that community is no good, you are going to want to send your of there just for the sense being part of a movement to save public education. we want to abort the public school, but much child so has to be educated somewhere. clear, my brother is a teacher, my sister's three teacher, my wife, my mama is a teacher, my wife, educator, and so what i tell people is i am against sorry teachers, sorry principles, sorry administrators , sorry school boards, sorry mayors who have control of the schools -- and so if you sorry, i do not like you. let me be clear -- i do not like sorry journalists, i do not like sorry media executives, i just do not like sorry. the reason i am putting it out there is because when you were education, many

african-americans get emotional about this because education for a lot of us, our parents, that was the gateway to the middle class. so we think that if we're going against a certain thing, oh, i'm going against my mom and dad. no, i am talking about that kid you are talking about. it is also problematic for me, and steve brought this up last night, and i had some heated conversations with people. it is problematic for me for folks who saying i do not like a particular way of education when they actually are not sending their kids to public schools. a legislative standpoint and a parental standpoint, it is for difficult to say i want this education for your kids but i have a choice. i know we get scared by that, and i know -- look, i understand the reality of who is funding many people campaign, who is giving donations, but i go back the numbersipal --

do not lie. the kids failing look like the people in this room. ,o do we either force a change or do we try to say no, let's just hope this current system gets better with a new five-year plan? when each of you speak to this issue of education reform and how do we drive it when it is about our students and those parents because those are the folks, according to their studies, more than two thirds of the available jobs for the next- generation, the kids today will not be able to fulfill those jobs because they will not have the educational requirements. >> one thing i will say right off the bat, first i should disclose that i am a pretty -- my personal politics are pretty conventional, liberal, democrat voter can a guy, i grew up three hours south of here in the first chat -- class of children in mississippi to begin the first day of first grade bike and white together --

first grade, black and white together. 1969, 1970. i grew up in a town where my whole childhood, i was making a book about it, i am making a movie about it, was all about the struggle over the schools and civil rights and black kids and why kids and whether we would be together or not. and now more recently i and my wife and a few other people from downtown atlanta started a charter school. we started the second one in atlanta. now -- we started on a 16 years ago and it is now a 700-student school and to campuses and it is the most racially and economically diverse public school in the city of atlanta that has great performance. that is not to say that all charter schools are great. i am not a 100% their perfect, but that is a case study in which some real good has been done, and some a black kids and why kids another kind of kids go together to school. that happens in almost no other place in a place like atlanta. even the public schools, the two

or three other public schools that have any why kids at all generally speaking have only why kids because of where they are located in the city. so were some of this relates back to some of the other issues in terms of gun violence and others is that one of the other ways to try to stop things from -- some of these terrible things from happening is to have a place, a society in which the george zimmermans of the world ared andas sc ready to do some impulsive thing to somebody else because of the way they look like. certain sensesre were more american children go to school together and recognize they share values and share society, i think it will have impact on other things we talk about. more legislative part of this story, and because i have been so involved in this, i can go on for a long time, but the main thing i will say is that i do not understand, i really go right to agree

with you, roland thomas i really do not understand on this more than any other thing in terms of ors inlegislatur particular, the traditional public school formula of these local school boards and every county having three or four different ones and they're all made up of these yahoos who do not know anything about education or because they got mad about something that happened to their daughter anything great, so they run for their school board, they do not , theyack about education are not particularly good leaders -- there are some exceptions to this, obviously, but any and, it is a bunch of amateurs, and they have budgets that are usually the same size as the county government or the city government that they are part of, so just as much money being spent, coming out of the pockets of your constituents. you have the history of terrible leadership for the first 100 years -- because those that are starting after the civil war --

those things started after the civil war. what did black people get? nothing but obstacles and abuse. and the last 40 years, what have they gotten? failure after failure. failures are not limited to african american boards or whiteboards. what i can speak to is the structure. i have become a radical on this. i think there is no argument in defense of the traditional public school structure in america, and legislators, whatever they look like, ought to be able to say ok, let's look at something completely new and different. know ine be clear -- i terms of how folks view this issue, and i think -- i say this because i believe out of all civil rights issues out there, i respect every issue we talked about, there is no more fundamental issue as relates to our people as a civil right as education. there is no other issue because

when you look at the numbers, we cannot talk about income inequality and talk about education. you cannot talk about mass incarceration without realizing that 90% of the people in illinois prison and through chicago public schools. the biggest issue out of any prison across america is illiteracy that is tied to education. we can go down the line and education is that primary linkage, if you will. to your point, douglas, the advice to the legislator is you do not support failure anywhere. if a charter school fails, get rid of it. but a traditional public school fails, get rid of it, find things that are successful. what happens though is when it is time to begin to have the discussion about change, we have to be honest. we have many black school board members, black city

councilmembers, black state legislators who -- i am not sure about that -- i will say it -- you get pressure from teachers unions, you get pressure from other groups, and that causes folks to say no, no, no, yet thousands of our kids are sitting there failing. so how do we move folks to create an agenda in 2014 where education is at the top of the list and is not is a question of let's put more money in? some folks have all the money in the world is still not know what in the hell to do with it. >> i think this will be something that will be very difficult to do because what shadows over all of the things that we are talking about today is that basically people in the black community are just trying to survive. and a lot of parents from day to day, you deem them as

not being involved in their children's lives, they're just trying to make a buck, they're trying to feed them, they are trying to make sure that they get to work every day, so there again, yeah, it is a very difficult question -- how do we engage the parents? how do we engage the community to be active and what is happening in the public schools? they're struggling with my a day-to-day basis -- am i still going to have my job? -- those are all things that supersede what is happening educationally. that is a huge -- >> look, it is, yet when that kid is 18 though, and cannot no, letnnot graduate, me also put this out there -- we brought it. one of the reasons black folks cannot create wealth is because when we have a family member who does graduate, who does go to college, and when that african-

american begins to have a job, making $30,000 or more, what happens is that person then becomes the financial supporter and all ofe family, a sudden that person cannot save, cannot invest, and so then of life is's quality affected when they are 55 and 60 because we are having to help pay cell phone bills, pay rent, buy diapers, and the reason i am -- look, i went to all public schools my entire life, kindergarten through college. my wife and i are raising six of my nieces right now, so i am speaking from experience. we gravitateis because of the issue of education. when people say why do you believe in choice it is because you have to provide an option for parents in a failing system. and so how do we begin to say traditionalort

public schools, but i do support trying something else because if it works, let's roll with it. making that a dominant issue in a way 14 and getting lack legislators -- bl ack legislators to be leaders on this? >> one thing that is important for us to look at is schools and committee organizations. we have to wrap ourselves around different models in the schools in our community. that is something we have not done. when you talk about parents being involved, there is a harvard study that says that parents will go to school meetings when the meetings are about things other than just education. they will go if they are going to be talking about health care issues, if you are to be providing resources for where there may be job opportunities, and so on. i think that is also a very key component of it, roland, is broadening what we're doing with

public schools and schools in general so that people feel more attracted to be a part of the process. that we have,ting the fighting we have a we cannot let the walls down and try to look at different systems often gets in the way of people gathering round models and joining in being a part of it. i think this is an important discussion. nobody seems to be able to get us back -- get us past this point. we have had this conversation over and over and have not nailed to make leaps and bounds that this conversation. in new york, one of the issues has been getting labor and elected officials to sit down at the table and work together. we have had a very difficult time doing that. it is for a much so about leadership. so we hope that the new mayor in new york city will be able to, with his leadership, provide opportunities for usc and other labor unions and committee organizations to sit down on look at these models and find out how we strengthen them.

leadership is key to how we deal and that, having leaders position that understand the challenges that everyone is facing, understanding needs of all the community, and are willing to work together. our issue in new york under mayor bloomberg has been that he has been so for public, for charter, that public went to the the wayside.to so you have resistant people because they will not give up public school as opposed to either or -- >> i think leadership is key, having people who are in in public schools, my son goes to a military school in pennsylvania. i was so afraid of the options in new york that i decided to tod them to another state live at another school. so i cannot talk about limiting people's options, but just like i had him there in school, i am a part of many things in my community that strengthens the public school operation here. i think that is important.

leadership is key. >> to that point, it is so funny when i joined the board of students first, my brother is a public school teacher. my scissors a public school teacher. -- my sister is a public school teacher. so guess where i was hearing advice? from the three teachers. now we will laugh questions and statements. i'm going to hold the microphone, no need for you to grab it, no need for you to hold it, if you do, i am going to hit your hand. i know some of you lead a filibuster, you are not on the floor of your state legislature, so i am telling you right now, if you go long, i will cut you. [laughter] come on up. and also, plus, your back is to so camera, so turn this way they can see you. camera there, camera there. comment or question. but that hand down. >> comment.

as the president-elect and the chair of the rules committee were over 37 policies come out of this meeting, i just wanted to be very clear that this is not a social organization. we come here to pass progressive legislation, and we stood in maryland with the trayvon family and we passed a gun safety laws. we pass progressive legislation in our state as it relates to education. we passed progressive legislation. you ask the question -- the first question you asked what's -- what the civil rights mean today in 2013? and no one spoke to economic justice. [applause] justice,have economic then we have educational justice, it is about all of that, and social justice. deliberated for three and

four days, and we brought a new legislators, and we continue to coalesce every single year, and we go to three and four and five in six different states, and we bring in groups and organizations to meet with us to talk about how we move our communities forward. so i just want that to be put on the record because this is a live presentation that the national black caucus of state legislators is a progressive organization pushing our community forward, and we will coalesce and work with any group or organization in this country, black, white, or indifferent. and we do that, and i think that we do it well. asians,with the latinos, african-americans, and native americans. so we look forward to continuing to work with all of you as we continue to push a progressive agenda for this country. >> one of the things i am going to do also after the questions and comments is talk about -- and real quick -- a media

strategy that i think it's also important. some of you individually have executed this, and i will is plain, sir, what if you got? of memphis, tennessee. >> he that the ipad out. >> it is an interesting conversation for the i am a marine also. we are not monolithic in our approach to some of these policies. i have a slight difference of opinion in regards to gun control. the truth is i think we need to be a little bit more courageous addressing personal response ability within our communities, within ourselves also. >> as it relates to what yo? >> as it relates to gun violence and gun control. i prefer not to be told what kind of gone i can own. i would love to own an a ar-15 not too hot but for defense purposes. hey, i would love to own it.

>> where do you live? >> right here in memphis, tennessee. >> you need an a ar-15? >> i would like to have one. here is the thing, here is something that is very important -- in most of our communities, 99.9% of those that are killed through gun violence in our communities are killed by somebody that looks like the person they killed. think about that. so those weapons are not ,urchased through legal means and those weapons are not going gune controlled through control legislation. those weapons are being purchased on the street. now, what that means is this -- we need to start looking at ion in this matter because there are crimes that make us mad and there are crimes that make us fear. we need to start incarcerating and throwing away the key on those individuals that commit crimes and make us scared. it is not a funny matter. sir, i do not know why --

>> go ahead. >> what i am proposing is those individuals -- we'd to start cutting the supply of weapons off at the ankles. those individuals that supply weapons to these minors that are using these murders -- these weapons in the murders in chicago -- >> i spent six years working in i have spent six years working in chicago. is, the problem is that you can literally drive 15 miles across the border to indiana and they have done the studies that have shown where a lot of the gun violence is traced to the guns bought at the several different gun shops in indiana. many other states do not have a border state that is that close, but specifically i know in chicago, because we dealt with it, that is a huge issue there. the gun shop in indiana can sell what ever area that is where a lot of the guns are coming from.

>> here is the thing, and i will wrap this up -- i guarantee you there is not one single gang member going over the border and buying those ones. >> what is happening is others are going to the gun stores, buying the guns, supplying them as well. you can have legislation specifically in chicago. there are loopholes there. that is why i make the point that you have to make it about gun violence and not just gun control. >> i think we are in agreement. that was exactly my point. >> i do not need an ar-15. >> let me finish up. have agendas or pathways for african americans in our communities? i think we lack an agenda in most communities. >> first of all, most of these have a caucus,ou in agenda is established.

look -- i have covered places in illinois, texas, maryland, virginia, ohio. i have folks from various states on my media outlets. i understand that agenda. but to your earlier point, talking about coalition, you can have an agenda for the black talk -- black caucus, but you have to have your coalition building to get it passed. questiono to this here. i see over here, and then i will go over here. i got you, i got you. what you got? representative larry butler from connecticut -- >> state representative larry butler from connecticut. i happened to be 20 minutes away from newtown, connecticut were all that happened. we came up with our gun legislation to address be violence. when that happened, there was this need to come up with this

quick addressing thing, not really get into the substance of it is easy to, so pass legislation about a weapon, that we really haven't addressed the issues about the people who pulling the trigger. let's talk about the social- economic justice. if we talk about chicago in the urban areas, it has more to do with that. also, admit to the health issues for these people. [applause] what we need to do there as well. i can tell you, there is a lot more that has to be done. 26 more people killed in your town. people were 40 murdered. -- 26 more people killed in newtown. we have got to press our agenda and talk about supporting states -- we forced our folks to look

at some of the urban issues like the people who have illegal guns , make sure that these people have a permit to buy ammunition. they cannot just walk into your little store here and buy all the ammunition they want, ok? but the problem is they can go across the border to new york, massachusetts, rhode island, and they can buy ammunition. anyone from new york, rhode island, and massachusetts, please has to law that is going to -- pass a law that is going to keep people from buying ammunition for their illegal weapons, ok? let's chart there. thank you. i'm going to go over here. standup. standup. -- stand up. stand up. >> i am alicia reid.

we have 15 african-americans between the house and the senate, so coalition building is always important. we always have to do that. in ohio, during the presidential election they say how goes ohio, how goes the country. spoke at the annual march on washington. i talked about how we need a we areate initiative. going state-by-state. the new civil rights movement -- for one, do not lose what we already have. the fight to keep what we have and expand and make those things permanent. when we talk about voting rights -- we had a temporary solution, the voting rights act. that is being challenged as regards its constitutionality. in ohio in 2014 we are launching a constitutional amendment on

the ballot for a voter bill of rights. we are moving from just trying to get a bill -- which we do not have the numbers -- we will take it out to the peak will and have a model which other states around the -- we will take it out to the people and have a model which other states around the country -- we will put it in the constitution. i think the new civil rights movement is how do we make what we have permanent? we also have our standard your ground in ohio -- we are rallying around what happened with trayvon martin. we had a rally in cincinnati. i got a text message saying they were introducing legislation in olympus four ohio to have stand your ground. we are fighting that. got a text message saying they were introducing legislation in columbus for ohio to have stand your ground. we are challenging our friends

and coalitions. we are there with you. we ask that you either with us so we can make these things permanent in our constitution. is ae reason this significant issue, because in in bush versus gore decision 2000, it was antonin scalia who said the constitution does not guarantee a person a right to vote. in fact it says you cannot be denied if you are a person of to your when it comes sex. if you pass a constitutional -- allnt in your state right. how are you doing? >> thank you. i am the president of the baltimore teachers union. i guess i am not the only non- elected state official here. >> no, there are more people here. >> i am here with labor. thank you. great, progressive

state. we believe that education is a civil rights and it is important that we offer great teachers to our students. it is not the union that does not support great education. we support excellent teachers in the classroom, and we know the only way out of harvard he and anything is to have great teacher -- the only way out of poverty and anything is to have great teachers in front of our students. >> and to get rid of bad teachers. >> absolutely. there are to be due process to find them another place of employment. another profession. >> believe me -- there have to be a lot of steps of development for teachers. we have programs with these teachers need support. and we

cannot just give them six weeks of training and think they are able to educate our true -- our children. there are cultural differences they do not understand. if you do not grow up in the neighborhood, they do not understand when we say "what's up?" they do not understand that. we are about supporting excellence in the classroom and making sure there are choices for parents. and we talk about building coalition and working with the community so they can provide wraparound services to those students. great teachers, but bad people got to go. some administrators -- i know that. i have talked to many a journalist. here.next right step on out right here. then we will take more of your questions. >> i am from north carolina. one of the things i've heard quite a bit with these issue dealing with education and charter schools, i think it is

important to point out one of the problems with your order schools -- and i am not one of those people opposed to charter schools. i have an open mind. but they are not required to offer free and reduced lunches. they are not required to offer transportation. they are re-segregating our school system economically, socially -- >> that is not the case in every state. it in your state. >> while this system may be failing african-americans, our system is failing all americans. when you look at the stem courses, and in places like shanghai -- they are scoring i. to bewhat we ought talking about is making certainly have year-round schools. maybe we ought to be talking about incentivizing education so we get the best and brightest teachers in our classrooms and the top five percent are there

-- not that we do not appreciate those who are there today -- but many glass ceiling set been broken in america in the last 40 years. i think it is important -- >> why can't we talk about all of it though? as opposed to saying we should be talking about this and this and not this, i am saying this is part of the problem. what should be on the table is traditional public, charter, magnet, a homeschool, online, boucher, everything. cher, everything. you have the marla collins method. works, works. if we start limiting the discussion, we are limiting opportunities. and i get your point about the people in shanghai. i am talking about america where black kids are three and four

levels behind their white counterparts, i cannot worry when i amone in china worried about someone in the suburbs and i live in dallas. behind in the third grade, we know by the time they are in eighth and ninth grade, they will be dropping out. then they will be involved in criminal activities and the department of corrections. in terms of the total picture -- -- you didout today not have access to capital. entrepreneurship. access to credit. we have to broaden our to empower wealth building within the african- --rican and latino immunity. community. >> i agree with you. i am coming back over there. do not worry about it.

>> my name is roscoe dixon. i was in prison for four and a half years. i want to thank you, because i get a chance to look at you for four years on the nn. -- cnn. [laughter] i'm also a former legislator. i'm glad i went to prison, because i got a chance to meet the brothers. i was like a lot of forward thinking, crack cocaine babies, and so forth. i did some research and found out who did it too was. it was really heartbreaking, because we did it to ourselves. -- i did some research and found out who did it to us. has never been passed so fast. tip o'neill was the speaker. his district -- went home, came back, within 24 hours the

congressional black caucus joined with them and put the thing together. years, 10 years mandatory. the judge could not do anything about it. the point is >>. it is this -- the point is simple. it is this. the brothers taught me a lesson. the point i am making -- we have got to get the family back together. almost half of our folk are not voting. they are not voting because they do not have any respect for us or relationship with us. someow that they have done things that maybe they should not have done. some are innocent, as my friend here said, as well. we are a football team and half of our folk are not in the game. we have to get them back in the game and solve what ever that problem is and get them back in the game. we need to read the book by the young lady -- in tennessee.

idaho shows you what to do. kick them out. >> all right, appreciate it. going over here. at going to the front row. stand on up, please. that is you. stand on up. all right. put that hand down. i got you. >> force of habit. .y name is tonya i am these states senator from nebraska. i represent about half of the black caucus in the state -- >> i was about to say there are about five of you and the whole state. >> what is sad about it is about half of our life children are in poverty. children are in poverty. the way policy is written now, there is no express prohibition from going out and creating a charter school.

our challenge -- and we had a big, big fight for lack of a better way to describe it this year in nebraska -- is paying for public education in a state where we rely on property taxes and supplement that with state aid from sales and income taxed. certainly i want to include any and all kinds of techniques and totitutions and access public education and a good education. how do we pay for its when we are already -- what i describe as fighting on the floor for crumbs to subsidize our education? >> i will put this out there first. whenever i hear that particular issue, i remind folks there is a failing school out there that is getting money somehow, someway. when i look at numbers -- i do not base it upon, oh, here is the test score.

we know how kids are reading. if there is a school that has 200 students or whatever and 80%, 90% failure rate in their schools, that particular school is getting a budget allocation. for me, it is not a question of, well, do not take money out. what is happening in that school the multiplier when it comes to resources as well? i am looking at what is failing in that school, versus the failure rate. douglas, go ahead. >> i do not want to walk out of here as the charter school guy -- >> i have no problem with you. >> one thing is i agree with roland. any kind of school that is not working needs to have a trouble surviving, and that applies to order schools.

-- charter schools. resegregation -- i get concerned about that sometimes. you look at places like atlanta were 10 years ago, 15 years ago there were about 60,000 children in the public schools of atlanta and 5000 were white. 55,000 black children, 5000 white children. the 5000 white children, 90% of them attended about four schools in the city and the black children were scattered in all of these other schools that were black. to 99% i am oversimplifying a little bit, but it was mostly that way. 15 years later, you have about 45,000 children in the public school system. the city is growing and growing and growing. the population is going down, down, down. the people abandoning public schools are middle-class african-americans. the middle-class white folks left a long time ago.

then you have middle-class white folks like me coming in through alternative channels. when i hear these concerns about recent forgetting the schools, atlanta schools were so segregated already, it was the traditional outlook school system went back to being an overly segregated world. i cannot see how any alternative can end up further segregating something that is already almost 100% segregated. >> it reminds people that schools are based on a neighborhood concept. when your neighborhoods are largely white, largely black, largely hispanic, your schools will be largely white, largely black, largely hispanic. >> exactly. if you have one race neighborhoods -- and i do not think we will go that direction. there will be people who tried to start charter schools for bad purposes. there will be. there needs to be police against that. >> a rigorous process. >> the ku klux klan should not

be allowed to start a charter school. we all agree on that. but what roland said is what i think is the basic answer. it really is a red herring to say that charter schools are taking money away from conventional public schools. it is moving money around, and it is moving money from schools where people are for whatever reason less inclined to go to. these are public schools that everybody attends. and the money that goes to them is still money that is going to be public schools. if they do somehow -- if they are more in lasses where children are successfully learning, i do not know how you can argue with that. --stions question mark questions? >> what we did in the state of missouri, we had this fight with

education as well. it was a huge fight with labor, the educators, the principendents, the als, everybody involved. we had this fear. charter schools were not performing. charter schools were still not performing at the level public schools were performing at. we had a couple charter schools -- they were still for-profit. even though they are public, the money is still for profit. we had a couple charter schools are closed with a significant amount of money and the kids were left standing outside. that issue had been addressed. -- she hasmember moved on to another public service position -- in nbcsl. we put things in place.

we just said, listen -- if we are going to have them, we put legislation in place. i think all schools are important, but at the same time he focus needs to be on the children. another issue we are facing -- we are asking the parents to weigh in. we have educational reform that starts in january. we have asked the parents. the parents are getting together in writing what they want to see in legislation for their children. i think we represent a body of people. form thatack to that government is for the people -- if we say we the people, let the people get involved and what we legislatively. they have hired us to do a job. we forget we are making decisions for them, but not including them in those

decisions. we have parents groups providing information that they want to see in legislation. i think that will be the answer. >> i agree 100%. schools,ree elementary high schools -- you look at all driving around. you say, look. you all are going to school at home, on that laptop. does it work? i think that is what it boils down to. that is the last question we can say. i will leave you with this. when we talk about narrative and thetegy, some of you in room have done this. alicia, she has been on my tv show, radio show. folks from other different states as well, depending on the issue -- one thing that you should except right now is there is a significant black media apparatus in this country that i

think many of you are not utilizing. >> right. >> if you look at the fact that you have the steve harvey morning show, the reverend sharpton show, d.l. hughley has smiley., ricky those are national shows. then you look at the black websites out there as well -- we have a daily morning show on tv one. you have an apparatus that is there to get information out. something happens in florida, allen williams will text me. hey, manall and they, -- and say, hey, man, this is what is happening. folksve to get content to at those places. we assume and we say, msnbc did not cover it, fox was not there, abc, "the washington post," "the

new york times." but when you look at the number of black news programs, radio stations, we have a substantial apparatus that is they are. if we do not know what is happening in your state, if we do not know what the issue with, you cannot assume that we do. if something is going down in textsnd alicia text me -- me, hey, we have of voter suppression act out. as an organization you should put together what is the black media apparatus? who are the members? when something happens, be e- mailing and let us know. hit me after the fact when a bill has passed in louisiana, north carolina -- that does nothing. it we are on the

defensive. letting us know before something passes, when it is in committee, when it is going up for a vote, it allows us to galvanize our audiences, bring in troops, bring in support. tamika knows. something happens. they could not depend on reverend sharpton to be the only voice. whom. this is what we are doing. -- boom. this is what we're doing. i will leave you with this charge. you should put together that national black media apparatus and every member get it so you know how to get those stories have ane will and informed vote. all right, around of applause for new members of our handle please. [applause] beingyou all of us for with us as well. mr. president, we are done. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] u.s.d a live look at the

capitol today on this last day of the session. the house and senate will return next week to begin legislative business for the next congress. as we start the new year, we have been asking our viewers what they would like to see in washington for 2014. here are a few responses. "salt actual problems. -- solve actual problems. not careen from one manufactured crisis to another." "work for our people. honor our troops." you can weigh in with your thoughts at facebook.com/c-span. coming up, panel discussions from a recent conference in san francisco. that will be followed with a discussion on ridesharing services and a little bit later, for-profit educational companies. we also continue our encore "qsentations of "q and a --

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nchcussions from the techcru disrupt conference in san francisco. and note that some language may not the appropriate for all audience members. [applause] >> i am going to stay as far away as -- >> i will stay as far away -- lexa comes it here. come sit here. >> do you guys want to talk about all the stuffers? -- stuff first? you guys want to talk a little bit about failure and what you witnessed over a lot of start ups give us statistically relevant ones and talk about trends you have seen and how to avoid it.

>> yes. what i did this past summer for -- i took eight companies that did not have the outcome they were looking for and looked at all of the data, every single e-mail they row and all of the information we have at the time we made the investment and thought about, how can we make the process better. >> you with that -- knowing something failed, you looked at eight companies and said, how can we have seen this from the beginning? done what could we have better and how can we use that to improve our decision-making process. first of all, when we invest, we focus on founders. we focus on founders and the idea. one of the things that was pretty telling, and i learned this on day one, founder dynamics really matter. in the trying to predict

diligence phase how these founders will gel when things are not going their way -- >> what were the eight companies that failed. is there fails, you can mention them. >> they asked not to be mentioned. suffice to say, i looked at these companies. >> a couple so we have an idea of what we're talking about? >> they preferred not to be mentioned. >> they failed. why would they not rejoice at the opportunity to share their failure to let other people not fail in the future. let's name one and start with one. >> i will just focus -- >> it did not work out as planned. i have talked to david. we have talked about it. i am sure. >> these dynamics really matter. sometimes, how do they work

together? that was super important. -- thees, the chemistry thinking almost becomes too alike. me -- es there is no exact science to it. >> what is your failure rate? for every hundred you invest in, how many outright fail? every early percent? >> it depends on the companies that fail. >> if it is not even giving the money back their quest probably 30%. >> ok. you still make good money with a 30% failure rate. >> yes. >> our failure rate is lower because we have been doing it since 1994 and have repeat

entrepreneurs who end up typically being more successful. >> ok. that is interesting. we talked about that before onstage about how repeat oshman ores are twice as likely -- likely or something to not fail as the first time entrepreneur. >> yes. there is some data there and then there is some where that is another thing you learned, that some of the thing -- that some of the founders repeat entrepreneurs who exited either very quickly -- you have to think how they learned the lessons from being a first-time entrepreneur. the take away on the first white is to just continue to ask probing questions and be a better listener. >> effective party rounds, talk about that. tell us what it is. >> party round is when you have in 200,000, who put let's say, as opposed to maybe one investor who put in 600,000 and other injures -- angels. the risk of that is you have a bystander effect where the

founder asks for help and everybody else thinks the other person is helping and nobody helps. the data is inconclusive because there are companies that have used party rounds and have gone on to do well. it is clear when they ask for basic hell, nobody answered. the take away for me or for us was you have to think about these founders and, are they self-aware enough to think about the known unknowns. you cannot anticipate all the risks, but if you're not great at user acquisition and who will help you with that, or if you're really good at it -- >> if you think they can be bad if people are not realistic -- >> that is where you have to ask the questions and figure out, are they being self-aware enough to think about what they need. they have 10 if investors, if they cannot really expect much help from each

investor. >> exactly. for some founders, they want that. they are repeat founders. >> ok. do you have anything to say at all or are you just the pretty guy on stage area >> i do. -- , we talked about this in may. who is running the show. one of the things he said is important is there was a clear leader. i do not see a clear leader. are you guys jostling for a position and one of you will go? who is the leader? >> we are a partnership. >> dave is the leader. >> david is the managing director. >> what is ryan? assistant managing? >> a managing director as well. >> ok. >> if -- is anyone not the managing director? you guys have known each other for 10 years. you get along pretty well. ok. do you have anything to add. >> yes.

i think david looked at a lot of data and feedback. to, with social media apps, and some people said it was dead, you look at snap chat success and new companies, you could apply a lot of these thoughts to them. at each to look independently, or there is a gut feel. it is a combination and that is what the partnership is. i tend to look at a lot of the product as well as the founding there are always a handful of characteristics within the product that worked. is it simple and can it be use waiting in line at the grocery store? fromt carve out behavior instagram and twitter and facebook and does it create a new media format. is it a tweet or a broad -- blog post? is it any of these things? your eyes are glazing over and you called me to talk about this. >> ok. you will burp -- you brought this up so i will finish this.

we are looking at this deal and the founders are critical and smart and we are in. you go away for a minute and come back and whatever your answer is, let's talk about snapshot for example. you you can come back and if you decide not to invest, you come back with a 15 minute explanation, and in-depth discussion, very smart, about why snapshot -- snap chat will never make it. you could have a yes or no discussion and you go with your gut and then you fill in the bull ship later. >> the gut instinct is led by the facts of what the product looks like and how it feels when you use it. vines felt good instantly. >> i'm not unique. talking about that. --n we have a start up >> i spoke to the team after the discussion. >> social network dynamics not here same way they worked with amsterdam -- instagram. bullshit?ieve this

it sounds really interesting. sorry, i am going on and on. go ahead. factor is the biggest when you hear the vision and a look at the product. that is the most important thing. right. this is awesome data. anything that helps you with making current decisions? >> it does. a limited sample set, but we went pretty deep into the data. we literally looked at every single e-mail. we looked at what was written at the time we made the investment aired we said, what can we do better? there was one other point and this leaves intowhat brian was weaves intoaves -- what brian was talking about, $18 per runway, some company's in thated to things

18 months, that is a recipe for disaster. or raise more money. a good example is a company -- build and develop an ecosystem and also get developers on the platform. a hard thing. >> to one thing unless you do two things. >> right. -- ou do two things collect easy what i am saying see it is all -- do you what i am talking about? it is all bullshit. i have seen it. in the meeting with guys, you say, that guy is a deck -- dick ./ [laughter] i will not work with him. >> the purpose of the project we that we summer was so

would go do a deep dive in the failed companies so that we could give new entrepreneurs that her advice. now that the coach is back, the coach went through this experience. so, now, we have someone who just went through it. cano more research and we give better advice to watch the north now. we have always been proactive about tapping in on -- entrepreneur on the shoulder and saying, do you know what a soft landing is and if you agree, we will help execute that. with thet many times 30% that fail. if you have a soft landing and you get the team to be part of a bigger team and you sell your twitter,o facebook or that is a soft landing. we define that as a success.

found a place for the team and your software to continue to be fulfilled. >> ok. >> that is important. >> do you feel like you have said what you needed to say and is there anything else you want to add? >> we love founders. >> and you are right, this is very limited. it helps us to think going forward how we make decisions. we do not look at this and say, this is the gospel. all of this -- we have a responsibility to give good advice. >> it is more art than science. you claim it is all b.s. b.s. not b.s. class we still say the most important early stage investor ourselves- we include

in that. we always try to get you guys into the deals because there is a huge amount of value added where you're not just be a thing -- just bullshitting. started this anti-gun platform. have your comp list a single thing. >> it was not quite a year. december 14. >> have there been any laws passed or guns taken off the has been anything that successful. >> there has been a lot of gun buyback spirit are getting guns i had antreet. epiphany on september 14 the day of the sandy hook massacre when gabby giffords happened to be a party, the holiday congresswoman who was gunned happened to be,

a guest in my home the same day sandy hook happened. i guess, but as we quieted the group down, and we recognized sandy hook and gabby giffords, i say, the 10th community needs to get involved in the issue of gun safety. the u.s. congress had a proposal and everyound checks poll said 90% of americans agreed there should be background checks. the u.s. congress ignored that and the senate actually voted it down. there is a big disconnect there. >> you have bill of rights issues. this is a long battle. >> we are not interested in taking anyone posses arms are way. anyone's arms away.

>> i love blind people but i do not think they should be driving cars or firing guns, or sleep. >> i agree. >> you put a huge machine to work and you had senators following you around. it is a long haul, but you put a huge machine to work to fight the issue. the nsa is strong- arming the companies that are part of our ecosystem to give them data, or the companies are handing it to them on their own. they are forcing telephone companies to give all this data and grabbing encrypted data and decrypting it and subverting standards and they have hacked the operating standards on mobile phones and they have presentations that call us zombies and she then mocked us, knew whatonly orville he could pull off now, why have you sat by and not done a single thing to stop this? this is our community. you have not done anything. not one thing.

>> i absolutely agree we have to national security. there was a thing called 9/11. the government's responsibility is to protect the country. that you have to balance with transparency. now, there is a debate starting about that. i completely agree with that debate. >> are you ok if the government stores every bit of your online data as long as they are transparent about it? >> for me personally, it would depend on how they digest the data. and how long they keep the data. but for my involvement, i have picked three issues in the last -- gun safety, immigration,

and i spend at least an hour a day right now working on immigration reform and we hope it passes right end of the year. the third issue is civic engagement. the we have done to get tech community involved locally in their community. i am just one human being. cannot fight five other issues. this is an issue you are --sionate about, >> i and speaking out but i do not have the time to put together machinery with you. you are saying you're basically come for the government do whatever they want. >> no, i am saying it depends on how they digest my data.

>> do you trust any government authority to do the right thing when it comes to power? >> obviously, the events of the last 60 days with the nsa says there has to be a balance between national security and transparency. there is a healthy debate going on about it. i will probably not be the tech leader ahead of that because i would be misleading people because i'm spending between now and the end of the year working on immigration ref arm. with forward. u.s., with the awesome founder group, and i cannot sit here and say, ok, i will now do the same thing with the nsa issue. i am not a bullshitter. i personally do not have the bandwidth. me isnow, immigration to more born. >> nothing will happen with

immigration reform this year or next year. >> i hope you're wrong. any senator or congressman listening, he is not representing the effort that will take place in the next few months. we have to think positive about these problems. has not.s. congress passed immigration at the end the year -- we're talking about the end of civilization. the basic cuban life to have some level of privacy in your life. it does not seem to bother you to think the government is collecting everything you do and can look at it at will. what if they decide people against government -- gun control -- pro-gun control like you are, what if they decide those people are basically communist in the 50 pop -- in the 1950's. are you afraid at all about the government having this data? >> of course i am. that is why there is a national debate going on about the issue. >> you stand up and you could make a big difference on the issue if you were to do that.

>> of course i could. i only have so many hours in a day and i have a day job where i spend 70% of my day helping entrepreneurs. >> ok. >> i agree there should be a debate about this. you sound like the perfect leader. [applause] >> i am too dogmatic about this. i am angry about it. i want the government to be brought down on this. i am not the guy to figure out a compromise. we can talk about that more in every single discussion i have with everyone the next three days. hopefully, you will find a tech leader. >> i thought i found one. i thought you would come here at -- and say he would not stand -- stand here anymore because history will not look kind. >> not when i am looking --

working seven hours a day helping us open doors and working on immigration reform. you have got to pick your issues. right now, immigration reform, important.the most i hope we can get it passed. that is why i have to be focused on that. there are a lot of congressman saying, it would be great if connelly went to the nsa issue because he will not bug us about immigration. i am on the immigration train and cannot get off when we are pulling up to the end of the station. >> i appreciate your time. thank you very much. [applause] a look at theith future of ridesharing, the founder of a smart phone based service. this is 20 minutes.

e -- going?going >> good. >> you have seen pink mustaches riding around town and he -- picking people up and dropping them off. how do you start with that? where is the pink mustache coming from? >> the idea is we want to create the light from you lift. a user experience of notches in and out but the actual users earrings when people connect in person. like a smile. passengers often smile and then drivers smile. then we have the fist bump when you get in the front seat of the car. we stayed all of this out in the beginning and sat in cars and thought about different ways to do it and we want to think about the user experience more broadly

. >> what we wanted to convey is an experience of equals. we wanted to break the idea of a service relationship or you get in the backseat and the person in the front seat is working for you. we wanted to create one of equals. to otherhat translate markets? it is one thing to have a big mustache riding around in san francisco because we are quirky like that. play in that indianapolis? is some dude in dallas? dallas going to feel comfortable getting in the front of a car with a pink mustache on it? >> that was one of our big questions. when we went to seattle and chicago and boston, it is translated in every market. every market has not seen it before. street going down the with a pink mustache, and they feel like a celebrity when

people are stopping and pointing at it and taking pictures. mystiques a sort of around it and people start acting what is going on and it creates a viral, word-of-mouth effect. drivers pass out cards when people ask them. >> you have expanded pretty quickly recently. you started out in san francisco didnine months and then you another market for a few months and then another one and you just added three) a holiday weekend. you are at 10 now. how quickly do you plan to expand going forward? >> we were in one market in san francisco. since then, we have launched 10 additional markets and raise $75 million and even in the last three months, we have doubled

the number of rides we are doing per week and have reached a million rides and we will and wee to grow rapidly want to maintain the sense of community. we will be doing it as fast as possible. you saw last week we launched three markets and togoalie lost three and last week we lost another. we will keep spreading this across the country and the rest of the world. >> how fast is as fast as possible? do you have a number, a target? [laughter] we do have -- >> we do have a target. >> he will not tell us here and let's talk about -- at the time you did it, it seemed like a lot of money. i talked to some people. it kind of felt like maybe you did not need that month -- much at the time. to scare off your investors that

might enter the space. is that what happened? expensive to launch each. the reason we raise a large round is because we knew we were gearing up to launch it. that gave us the cash to do that without any concern. marketplaceant this to be about who had more money. we wanted it to be about the experience. we wanted to take the money piece off the table and be able to focus on the experience. will playhis market out with who has the experience and the most mass-market. you have seen different types of experiences from different companies. >> open -- ultimately, it kind of comes down to who has more money. >> i do not think so. raised a good

amount of money and we have access to more capital. it comes down to, again, experience. we invested in a sense of community and a peer-to-peer experience. you have companies that offer a professional experience. the abm beer to experience and that is working well. >> since you brought up huber, you caught the attention of huber and the launched in three few weeks ago and then a week later, they said they will launch their low cost roddick in those markets. and, they would make it through -- free for the first month. how do you compete with free? >> we thought that was a bit of a coincidence he picked the same markets we just launched. practices a standard

in all markets for companies in this space to give away free rides and acquire new users. doing have a code we are it it will give every user in san francisco a free ride. both companies know free is not a long-term sustainable strategy. based onfferentiating the experience in the community. we have not seen any impact of the efforts. our demand is growing double- digit week over week. not something we needed to push any farther. raise $200 see huber million or whatever it is, that does not worry you? as a competitor? >> no, we just need to not get distracted by doing something else. what we are doing in terms of

community and experience and sitting up front, that is resonating. in san francisco, huber had been here for three years when we launched and we are thriving here. it is because we are offering a different experience. that will continue to work for us. >> ok. i want to take a step back and see how you got to that experience. you have been doing lift for a year and a half. five or years before that, you have a company that was also a peer to peer ride marketplace but had more long-haul or corporate university trips and that type of thing. the question for the occupant was in the audience, if you put your heart and soul into this thing, and you do it for five years, how do you decide to step you know, let's do something else. was it, this is not working or

cannot grow quickly enough, or how did that happen? >> we started back in 2007 and the vision we were always going after -- at the time, i was on the board of a public transit district in santa barbara. i was really frustrated with the lack of scalability in public transit and realize public transit systems were stagnating across the country and there were no investments being made in the systems were not being improved and there were no funding mechanisms. we started the ride and the idea was to create a crowd source and at least elbow marketplace where people could buy access and get access to all of the empty seats and cars on the road. the vision was always that you could step out of your seat and put your phone and buy a seat. in 2007, few people were carrying smart phones.

it was not possible. so lift came out of a hack a fun project where we were trying to figure out what does the mobile one look like. we were talking it over and we were going to call it instead. luckily we took a second and stepped back and changed the branding. is the ultimate incarnation that we have always been going after. >> at some point, you had to flip the switch and say, to all the people working for you, all of your employees, and say, the thing we have been doing for years, we will focus on this other thing now. >> that was mentally difficult. you had to literally change gears in your head. .riving so hard for so long one product. and then you had to make a gamble on a new product that you

believed in but it was a lot earlier along. it was a tough switch. but we were pretty decisive about it and we said, we actually launched lift three weeks after we said, let's build this. filled in appst store. about a month or two after that, after feeling the weight of trying to do two things really said, let's completely focus and get 90% of the team on lift. decision buth worked out. -- at what point did you say, this is working? let's just go for it, because this is making us a lot of money? poll never experienced the coming from the user, the

passenger in the experience. we never experienced that with zimride. we were seeing thousands of rides per week early on and there was a poll for more. we had to create a waitlist because there was so much demand . we had never seen anything like that. felt like we hit and the product market fit and we wanted to continue to invest in that. >> i want to talk about regulation. this is something you will run into in every market. you had it in california really early on. you received a cease and desist notice. you have been working with them. you have got that worked out. where a things right now? >> yes. to take a step back about regulations in general, there is a changing tide you have leaders

declare a lift today on july 13 and have been -- has been .upportive of us you have mayors in indianapolis that have supporters of seen the type of evolution and transportation. whatuestion we always get, are your concerns? literally, we cannot fill it out . we do not own vehicles. what are your concerns? we approached them from a collaborative point of view and they say safety. we said great, let's talk about that. in california, black cars and limos are not required to do criminal background checks. we do them and we have a crack. of what is successful and what is not. do require those but you can have a few duis and --ll pass on their driver record check and you would not be able to pass on list -- a

lifts. you can confirm we are doing everything we say we're doing and let's find the path forward. >> safety is not always the concern. i feel like regulators are kind of in the pockets of the lobby years that they actually regulate. when you look at markets like new york as an , when you look. at these markets where it is not really about safety or regulation, but more about who has clinical power, how do you deal with that? >> you try to shine light on it why they are against this. or do you care about consumer safety.r consumer

then you work with your community. unless community is really strong or has been really helpful for us in many markets in los angeles, you held a community event and hundreds of people share their stories and sent e-mail to politicians. that.l continue to do consumers have a strong voice and will often be listened to by the politicians. what do you say about taxidrivers? these guys are pests. he spent all the money on routine maintenance and stuff like that. then you guys come in and do not have any of those overhead cost. costs. aren't you creating an unfair playing field? been around for decades and decades. there has been a lot of regulations on top of it. when we go in and open up the

discussion, part is shining andt on these policies regulators have realized they put unfair burdens on them. to go back onng regulations not helpful as a whole. i do not think it is a zero-sum game. serve a really poured market and lift is serving a different one. >> there are differences so you need different regulatory structures. the first structure california tried to put on us was for companies that own vehicles. i did not work for us. the new platforms were not imagined when the regulations were written decades alone -- decades ago. it is necessary there are separate categories. >> ok. you guys do not think this is a zero-sum game. when you think about the market opportunity, you are not just a $30 billionis

cap market worldwide. we can take a share of that. >> not at all. the transportation market in the u.s., roughly $11 billion. but when you look at how much people spend on transportation, it is the second-highest. budget,very household second only to housing. that is the market i think is incredibly exciting when lift becomes something you can use twice a day. thanr vision is different the four higher category or uber's vision. from the early zim ride days, we see the opportunity as 80% of seats on our roads and highways are empty. what we are doing today is just the first chapter of what we want to do. the original vision is that you can go outside and find an empty seat in cars going a similar direction as you. maybe that driver has a friend

in common with you. we want to build the information ourastructure on top of roads for consumer transportation. that is different than competing with a -- an existing market. that has not been created yet. >> at some point, does that break down? it is easy to do it in san francisco or los angeles or where there is a large enough population density. you -- laurel areas? areas?rk in rural >> it is hard to reach across the geography like that but it is the same. >> ok.

so, let's go back. we did not really talk about what is actually happening. where are you with it? >> they put forward a proposed decision which would create a new category that would require safety standards, many of which modeled after what we already do. would be voted on probably in the next month or so by the public utilities commissioners. >> ok. is the hope that you say to all of the other jurisdictions that gotlaunch, you say, we have a framework in california. it seems to be working. why do you guys not adopt this? is that sort of the plan? >> it provides a model. every city and state is different. it actually provides a model and a framework we could refer back to. how about international?

are you going international anytime soon? class we are going international. >> how soon and where? [laughter] >> all right. i guess that is pretty much it for us. thank you for joining us. thank you for listening, guys. >> thanks. >> thanks a lot. >> next, a look at higher .ducation a for-profit educational organization offering massive online curse -- courses. he is also the developer of google glass. he sat down with california lieutenant governor gavin. this is 20 minutes. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] ♪ >> welcome. >> thank you.

we asked a number of university presidents to come and represent the old world of education on the stage today. they all said no. why do you think that is? time foran interesting higher education to really understand where we are going. what i would love to see is much more experimentation. people diving in and trying new things. a language in the state of california that the old model is the only model out. it is a great model. century, we 21st have new technologies, it is time to try something new. >> that is the great challenge. i serve on the california state university system board of trustees. us is ourm for success. as a consequence, our

unwillingness to dramatically change our behavior. we have been to the -- debating the last number of years about the new crisis. that is the lack of state support for higher education. that has been substantive. crisis is an overused word. it is apt here because we cut the budget months, by over two main dollars. everyone knows this. in the last number of years, we have doubled tuition and more than tripled it since 2001. the concern now is with quality. we are not paying our faculty what other private universities and other -- other public universities -- it becomes problematic. all of these things are now creating an opportunity to have a different conversation that sebastian is on the forefront of. mooks.s world of nukes 0

overdue and formidable. >> you told me your own staff advise you not to get on stage. said, when things are going well, you want to get along. lot of mixed reviews. a lot of folks are threatened by it. the faculty is concerned. we have had an institution that outperforms other institutions around the world every year. people are saying, why screw up a good thing? top 10still one of the universities. ucla is always in the top 10 or 12. highest performing universities in the world. the workhorselly of american education. why screw up a good thing? from my perspective, the question is officeed back at the

because they say, why associate yourself with sebastian? he wants to disrupt it. he has a radical new view of doesr education and if it not work out, the fact you are sitting here upstage may not work out for you so well. >> are you a threat, do you think, to higher education? or do you think you are complementing it in offering something that can run in parallel? >> i do not see myself as a threat. it has been discuss his way because it is the first reaction people have too understand what will happen to me if we find a new way of educating. we need so many students behind. in the state of california, 470,000 students willing to enroll and pay full tuition. if you look broader, china has 20 million freshmen this year. and then there is a huge gap in the professional development side. no single start up company here

would love to hire more software entered -- engineers. so extreme that companies come to us and say, please, please, put in a curriculum that gets people trained to understand what the industry needs. there is a huge vacuum. what i am focusing on is the opportunity of existing higher education that really provides andlong education international education and economic disadvantage and so on. >> why do you think it is a moreke that we graduate bachelors in psychology than engineering? class it turns out we do more bachelors in psychology than engineering. i want to see a single person in this room saying i want to hire more psychologists then software engineer spirit i've nothing against psychology. it is important to have a diverse set of skills in a nation. but there is a huge need of big data and cyber sturdy

scientists. the technical fields are really what drive forward silicon valley and the nation as a whole. when i caught -- talk to companies like google and at&t, they do not need more psychologists in english majors. they need technical talent's to get on the market. is self-evident. you have got a system of higher education not sustainable. from my perspective. we have talked so much in the last year were two about the debt crisis. that is self evident to everyone in the room. higher costs are self-evident. the issue of access. for me, it becomes a more fundamental question. what kind of world are we living in? what are the lines that defined the world? are we conveying enough talent to meet the needs of jobs that exist today, let alone the jobs that will exist tomorrow? sebastian loves to point out of this statistic. the labor department came out

suggesting 65% of grade school kids are going to have a job that has not even been invented yet. of highera system learning, particularly california, we have been the leader, are we prepared to advance the workforce development for that workforce of today, let alone the future? the skills gap is widening in real time. we cannot afford to fail more efficiently. this is code red and we have to do something dramatic. if it is disruptive, it is worth i think leaning in and making the case that there is an alternative pedagogy of learning and the opportunity to use technology and the tools of technology that sebastian and his colleagues advanced, i think it can be extraordinarily .dvantageous >> do either of you think it is ok for online education to divorce itself through academia

entirely from a job training platform? of forcing from academia, i think there is an education manythat goes across in different ways. there is an educational need for then al thinking and vocational need for people to have skills that are necessary tomorrow morning to rescue your job. i think what the governor so nicely pronounced is that a change of the skills gap affects the nation. when my great grandparents lived , things did not move fast. thanks to the tech crunch, the world is on fire and things are moving extremely fast. after fiven expires or 10 years. then everything is new. the cloud is new and facebook is new and google is new. in languages. historically, we sliced human life into five slices.

the first five years and then a learning phase and then the work phase and a resting phase. doing think we should be is have them all at the same time. we should play and work and rest at the same time. it moves so fast today, we cannot up -- we need to stay up- to-date. we work with at&t. at&t was the first one to work out the what we do not just benefit the new kids on the block. and the workforce. they havegineers and to stay up-to-date. something new comes along reggae cyber security threat or an opportunity, they only care the existing engineers get those skill sets. a fundamental new vision of education than academia which says, get your degree and once you get it, you're done for the rest of your life. >> it is extraordinary. think of all the disruption in the world in every industry. and financial

services, and talk about the economy moment ago etc. if you went back in time to budget years ago, it would look like contemporary classrooms today. in terms of most of these professional -- professor and student relationships, the broadcast model of academia that s today.ist we are not -- even indulging in k-12. it is comedic in some ways. the raging debates are about seniority and tenure, which seem trivial in the context of the world we are living in. what sebastian is offering is imagined --at is imaginative. he is not just taking a lecture and putting it online. he is talking about a whole new model of education that takes how weest in terms of

learn and incorporates it into a new platform of engagement that arguably will make learning more interesting and meaningful and lifelong. click sebastian, you are not just paying lip service to this. you actually have something to announce. >> yes. today, we put about website and announced we have an been educational alliance. we have companies we worked with in the past and new companies and we're talking to more educational outlets. the idea, we got a lot of inquiries from the industry [indiscernible] we wondered this thing over here. can we participate in the creation of curriculum for higher education? historically, that is bit hard with industry. put workforce an

industry first. [indiscernible] if you want to get a job, come to us and that is where you can learn the skills necessary. we work with those companies to keep those skills up to date. what then understand right skills are. we decided not just to make a product, but an industrywide offering so we can really get multiple education providers involved and multiple companies involved. open up to a much broader set of companies to access our students and so on. of awill be a little bit platform to think about education, what skills do you need to find a job, and it is not just us you can come to. anybody you can come to. to create the best education product to serve workforce and unemployment needs. >> google university, but sort of like the system, so an academy course would count.

>> my friends at google will get nervous if you call it that. an industrywide alliance. where everybody is invited to join. >> i love this. if it does not wake up community colleges, i do not know what does. not give him my economic development speech. but you all know this. it is two california. not north and south. coastal and inland california. i left this morning and we will get new unemployment numbers soon. a 5.3 unemployment rate. we are down in imperial county right now. 26.1% unemployment. state with the fourth highest unemployment in the united states and hundreds of thousands of open jobs right now we cannot fill. we have a system of higher learning designed over half a century ago for a world that no

longer exists. do you know what the conversation was when the master plan was conceived? the conversation sebastian has been having with the private sector. we are not having that anymore. what do you need in all the companies? what does google need and twitter and all of these companies and are we conveying enough of the talent? the answer is we are clearly not. you cannot continue to do what you have done. we have got to radically alter our approach and address the need. if it takes sebastian on the outside to put pressure on all of us on the inside, i say bring it on and that is a wonderful thing. encouragedi am very by his hard work and most importantly very enthusiastic about the next phase of his announcement as he scales this on a much larger level. is not always been successful. what happened at san jose state? >> the key to innovation is anyone -- everyone in the room now -- try it out and learn from

it and try it out again and learn from it. the thing has been in the news quite a bit positively and negatively. did nott set of numbers look the same way campus numbers would look like. our rates were lower. last year, involving inner-city high school kids, we talked to gavin and governor brown and many others who said, there is a real need in california to give high school kids a chance. most inner-city high school kids do not have access to computer science education. oftook a big hit and most these kids were not quite as prepared as college students are. it was spun against us understandably. the california association has the drop of making -- the job of making sure it is appropriately funded and with a big funding on, as that crisis going was mentioned a second ago, there is a big question, should we tell the governor or not? be moment that there might

an alternative path to education than regular on-campus education, it could be construed as a threat. we see the results of this. what i think in response is that this is not about replacing or changing on-campus education. on-campus.fan of i asked to increase the funds for the system. please do it. there is no question it is extremely important. that does not mean you should not stop innovating or leave people out. there are many different paths in the world. in the most recent round, over were out-of-udents state. we are reaching people in the entire world. in little tiny university silicon valley can go out and teach people in all countries full credit. that is a big success story to me. is not linear. we are on a journey here. this is the first phase. people are quick to jump on this

early example. myhave been doing on education system 1990's. it just has not gotten a lot of attention. what is getting a lot of ocs.ntion are these mmok bee anything, there will setbacks. thegenius of "and" and not tierney of "or." rewindortunity to sebastian because of your unique status. educationmassive anymore. it is individualized and personalized and everyone learns differently. as a consequence of the

technology, we are able to bring the disciplines and the opportunity and scale it to not just 20 or 200, not just 20,000, but hundreds of thousands of people who are desperate for the opportunities to take advantage of this world. >> 10 years from now, are your go there instead of stanford? >> you have got a five-year-old. .> i hope save myself the college money. >> i have got a 3.5-year-old -- who runs up to the tv and does not understand why it does not do this. you cannot educate her like i was educated. i thought she was a prodigy when she was on the smart phone at age one. a cement affair magazine and she did not understand why the top of the magazine did not slip. -- flip. there is no capacity to continue to do what you have done. not in this world.

you will fall behind. the global average is rising. we have got to get serious about this. i'm here with sebastian. >> it is important to be creative about this. to reinvent education today, we have to reinsert every student to go exactly the same pace and think exactly the same thought at the same time. an industry of drones. if you spin this a little further, why wouldn't education be as much fun as a videogame people play games can compete for prizes as part of the class experience as much fun as anything. why shouldn't education be like they say it's boring and there's a lot of old-fashioned things we can perpetuate that's not interactive and we try to retain