corporation for national and community service, and elizabeth boris, tractor of the irving institute center on nonprofit and president obama will be speaking on surveillance or format 11:00 this morning. it will be live on c-span. westart off this morning, want to start by getting your views on surveillance and what you would like to hear the president they regarding potential reform. the numbers to dial are on your screen. host: you can also reach out to

us on facebook or twitter. finally, send an e-mail. we get to your calls, here is some of the news from overnight. tom coburn will not serve out the rest of his term. on thursday night that he will not serve the rest to steperm and intends down because of deepening health problems. in his statement, he acknowledged that he is battling a recurrent cancer and will continue to fight for his priorities are in the remainder of his time in office. both carolyn and i have been touched by the encouragement we have been received, he said. as a citizen, he is convinced that he can best serve his children and grandchildren as

shifting his focus elsewhere. he notified aides earlier in the day. earlier in denied the evening. the decision to resign marks a shift in his plans from an interview earlier this month. he said he had believed he was healthy enough to serve out his term, but acknowledged that circumstances could change. the decision will be made in conjunction with family as to how to best implement things. willdo not think i can, i not, he said at the time. from the hill this morning, there is a new supporter of medical marijuana -- here he read. -- harry reid. he thinks there is some medical reason for marijuana. -- heed knowledge

acknowledged that the issue has changed over time. the senate approved $1.1 million spending bill -- $1.1 trillion spending bill on thursday evening after conservative assistance collapsed in the senate. ted cruz dropped his assistance on a vote -- insistence on a vote for funding president obama's health care plan. voted to cut off debate and adopted the bill, which keeps the government funded through september. and from the financial times limitorning, republicans the debt limit. there is a fragile mood of compromise in congress. the bipartisan budget deal calls for republicans to lift borrowing limits quickly. there is a weakened tea party and the $1.1 trillion

budget that passed on wednesday. the senate also passed that. the u.s. is expected to reach its borrowing limit on february 7. from politico this morning, robert gates hires back at here he read over the criticism. harry gates fired back at reid, saying that it is common practice on the hill to vote on bills that you have not read. it is clear that senator reed has not read the book. has not read the book. there was an interview that was done with mike allen at politico -- you can watch him live tonight on c-span 2 at 6:30.

rogan. a book tv he will be in philadelphia and it will be live. it will re-air on sunday night. from the washington post, the lead story is that malachi asks the u.s. for more whaea pons. would like u.s. troops to train counterterrorism forces. the iraqi leader says that he has a wish list. u.s. officials say it might be easy to develop -- deliver those weapons, including assault rifles, to baghdad soon. as the lead story in the washington post. reform speech that the president is giving at 11 a clock.

that is our topic of conversation this morning. we want to get your views on what you would like to hear from the president grid you can see the numbers up there on your screen. this article is in politico. the public is all over the map on nsa. matt, from the huffington post grid what should we expect to hear from the president? guest: well, it has been a pretty -- he has been pretty poised so far. the main thrust of what we have heard so far -- things could change -- is that the president will breach the spirit of reform while only making minor, incremental changes. biggeriving the decisions back to congress. host: what are those incremental

decisions? guest: he could place new limits on the collection of phone data. that was the most controversial program. that would be around the edges. he will not shift the collection of this data to telecoms. he will introduce new privacy protections. course, another one of the most controversial revelations from snowden was that we got a -- he europeans upset could push for some constitutional advocate. host: a lot of the talk and recommendations deal with section 215, what is that? guest: that is the section of

the patriot act that the nsa has used to allow them to scoop up our phone records invoke. bulk. thank you fordge, updating us on the president's speech. that will be live. now we want to hear from you. what do you think the president should say when it comes to nsa reform? here are a couple of articles that appeared this morning. the public remains all over the map on nsa tactics. the president is not the only one struggling to balance programs. the public cannot make up its mind. most americans may be fine handing over their personal data , but they are still not sure what to make of secret government operations gobbling

of raw telephone records and e-mails. makes it moreage difficult for politicians to coalesce around policy. on the one hand, public opinion polls show a willingness among ,he public to trade off privacy if it means stopping the bad guys. most would rather it be someone else. ,eople are all over the map according to a democrat from north dakota, a longtime critic of the nsa clandestine work. this is the lead story in the wall street journal. write that obama wrestles with spy overhaul. addresst barack obama's on friday will be a key step in his re-examination of post 9/11 security practices. designed toess restructure terrorism policies and shore up his credibility

before he leaves office. beachighly anticipated that follows a six-month review of spying programs, he is expected to extend privacy extensions to non-us citizens and evaluate sensitive surveillance, particularly involving foreign leaders. he washursday evening, still wrestling with the most controversial question. bulko manage the nsa's collection of telephone data. that is still the trickiest issue of the decisions that he still have to finalize. mr. obama is said to call on congress to work with him on determining where the data should be stored. his own advisory panel recommended that the storage role shifts from the nsa.

the phone companies or another third-party -- a little bit from the wall street journal, jimmy is following from san antonio on the democrats line. what do you think today? caller: first of all, happy new year. i wish everyone the best. been -- i have a green badge. i have had that for four years. host: what is that? -- a securityan badge that gets you into different facilities. host: you have a clearance? caller: i have worked in , as far as installation and design, and i have had access to all of the security information that i wanted.

i was jailed or fined up to five --rs after i retired host: what would you like to hear the president say about surveillance today? caller: it is important. it is important that we do it. it is important that what we do be kept secret. you give blabbermouth's in congress and people that do not have green badges talking about things that they do not know exist. host: thank you. california on the independent line. caller: hi. i think that the president should dismantle the nsa, the cia, and all of the alphabets.

marshals as the only police. that is all we need. all of this is leaning toward fascism. thank you. host: cary, north carolina. hi cecil. caller: i have a problem. we had a small business ofinistration on the campus the university of pittsburgh years ago. we were talking about computers getting more powerful. there was a question about personal computers and having one in every home. before itome time happened. i am 83 years old and i have a problem with this. if your own personal equipment and you do not have an intention

of getting on internet, it is a violation of your privacy for someone to listen to what you are doing. and maybe in the name of research. you might want to patent something. host: we will leave it there. thank you for calling in. back in december, the president's task force issued this report. liberty and security in a changing world. the five members of this the acting cia clarke,, richard jeffrey stone of the university of chicago, and a privacy law professor at the georgia institute of technology. issued 46 recommendations.

the first one is on section 215, which we talked about earlier. 215ecommend that section should be amended to authorize the surveillance court to issue a in order compelling a third-party to disclose private information about individuals thatif -- one, it finds the government has reasonable grounds to believe that particular information is relevant. or, two, the order is reasonable in focus, scope, and breadth. they recommend that statutes that offer national security letters should be amended to permit issuance only upon a

judicial finding that the government has reasonable grounds to believe that the information is relevant and intended to protect against clandestine intelligence activities. those are the top two recommendations of the 46. we will go through a couple more. rodney is calling from missouri. hello. thatr: i would like to say , our constitution does not say anything about privacy. our founding fathers did give us a secret ballot. it infers the right of privacy. host: all right.

andy, columbus, ohio. good morning to you. this is richard in capitol heights, maryland. what do you think about surveillance reform and the speech that the president is giving? caller: thank you for taking my call. act is law. the only privacy that the people have is the u.s. postal service. if you do not want somebody to know, send a letter. that is still private. everybody is giving it up for the internet and phone calls. if you want a private, sunday package. you cannot get more private than that. that is all i have to say. host: andy, columbus, ohio. thank you for calling. caller: hi. weust wanted to say that

have oxymorons -- i want the he has a to say that funding permit. host: i'm going to have to cut you off. the connection was too poor. we could not understand what you are saying. the president is speaking at 11:00 at the justice department. it will be live on c-span. this is the anniversary of president eisenhower's military-industrial speech to the american people. it happens to be on that anniversary. recommendation number four from force, wellance task recommend that as a general rule, the government should not mass,mitted to store

undigested arsenal information about individuals to enable future queries. any program involving government collection must be narrowly tailored to serve an important interest. number five, we recommend that legislation should be enacted that terminates the storage of metadata by the government as soon as reasonably possible. access should be permitted only with a section 215 order. randy in michigan, what is your thought on surveillance reform should president's speak

-- speech? caller: thank you for bringing this great program on. i do appreciate it. i would like to hear the putting inalk about the privacy advocate. i do think that that would be a good move. more judicial oversight. we need that. secret is not good. we do not do that in this country. you can have someone oversee it. i like the idea of changing -- i do i do not know not like the idea of the government holding in. either way, it is a security matter. number five that you just read, that is the other one. i am sorry i did not catch it all. those would be the ones i would

like to hear and talk about. article against the surveillance. i do not believe we should throw out our constitutional rights. we have to have some of it. those are at least a start. , will i ever love the program? no. it is necessary to have oversight. thank you. host: john is a republican in the fort mill, south carolina. what are your thoughts? caller: mine is a statement. i recall the founding fathers tear and he comes in the form of security. i think that comes in the form of the nsa. host: thank you. barbara bush says no more political dynasties. do not expect barbara bush to be

hosting any job bush fundraisers anytime soon. in an interview on monday on c-span, part of the first lady's series, she says that she is not too keen on making a presidential bid. here is a little bit from the interview. [video clip] >> do you think there is room for another bush in the white house? >> i think this is a great american country. a great country. if we can find more than two or three families to run for high office, that is silly. governors andt great, eligible people to run. that the kennedys and bushes -- there are more families than that. i am not arrogant enough to think that we alone are raising.

we are raising public service. servants, whether they are feeding the poor like lara is. is bringingwho affordable health to the world. but, there are a lot of ways to serve. being president is not the only one. i would hope that someone else would run. jeb iss no question that the most qualified person to run, but i hope you won't. there are other families. i refuse to accept that this great country is not raising other wonderful people. as part of the continuing

series on first ladies, this coming monday night, 9:00, barbara bush. 90 minutes of looking at the former first ladies. the series has been going on since last year. we are nearing the end as we get into more modern first ladies. a lot of that interview will be we have 50 minutes sitting in her living room in houston. on monday. the series will continue. after that piece of video that you just saw out into the public, it was retweeted and played by a lot of different news organizations. her son, jeb, sent this tweet. what date is mother's day? asking for a friend. tune in on monday night at 9:00 to learn more. calls, we will go to angela in rhode island.

what are your thoughts on what you would like to hear the president say? host: -- the nsai think that surveillance is necessary and should continue. it is not an emergency situation right now. no u.s. citizens are being affected detrimentally. to deal all, we need with our emergencies, which is the long-term unemployment. host: thank you. bush'srved in george w. white house and tweeted this -- they need to balance reforms retaining ability to collect intell while demonstrating protection of rights. bruce in colorado, go ahead. caller: hello? host: turn down the volume on your tv and start talking. we're listening. think thes, i

president should tell the public about his plans to destroy the country. that program has stopped. we need to realize that in this day and time, we all have to give up something in order to keep this country from being destroyed. that program is working like that. let it continue. host: thank you, sir. recommendation number seven from the five-member task force -- we recommend that legislation should be enacted requiring detailed information about should be made available on a regular basis to congress and the american people to the greatest extent possible. lexis rates for real clear politics and tweet this about the president. president-convened

panels and nsa review panels have in common? recommendations obama decided he can embrace. republican, hello. caller: if everybody remembers, this whole computer system is a carnivore. later on, it became patriot act. it is data mining that just kept going. i just think that they need to quit spying on their own people. dismantle old thing. that is all i have to say. host: john in saratoga springs, new york. caller: hello. two points before i get cut off. is, thet one constitution does guarantee the

fourth amendment, the rate of the people to be secure. right of the people to be secure. search and seizure should not be violated. that is in black-and-white. they should not be doing this point blank. the second point is, we pay for all of this. we talk about the money that they just spend away. we are paying for this. now they will have us pay for people to monitor the us to make sure they are not doing it. i think that those recommendations that you are starting to read will go a long way to curb this. it is out of control now. it is unpatriotic what they are doing. that is all i have to say. hill, bill sb puts virginia in play. bipartisanils agreement.

bipartisan a rarer agreement in virginia. gillespie is a former advisor to george w. bush. both parties concur that warner will be hard to oust. he is a very savvy individual and good at campaigning. the congressman just announced and kept airement steady refrain -- and may not make a difference how good gillespie is, because warner is better. back to your calls. joan in antioch, tennessee. caller: how are you doing? i wanted to make one brief comment. most people are complaining

about the security breach. is, i do not it care who is doing this. eavesdrop on my conversation because i'm not doing anything wrong. what is vital is to keep us safe. that is my opinion. a few people have said the same thing. i'm more concerned about somebody coming over here and doing something or our own people doing something. if they can get data to curtail that, then i am fine with however they do it. i do not have any complaints. most people should not. i would rather have my life than somebody do something wrong. i appreciate you listening. host: recommendation number 11 from the surveillance task force -- liberty and security in a changing world.

decisionend that the to keep secret programs of the magnitude of section 215, metadata programs, should be made only after careful deliberation at high levels of government and only with due consideration of and respect for the presumption of transparency. this should be kept secret only if it serves compelling governmental interest. james in new york. hello. what are your thoughts? caller: i just wanted to speak about the nsa. it is ridiculous, the situation that was going on. they spied on us.

the constitution is the most important thing. everybody talks about fear mongering and situations with the nsa. we need to be protected. waited to follow the constitution. andave a right to bear arms to save our family in that sense. obama, it is a smokescreen for what is going on. journalists, in the news today, it is incredible. it is linked up with the situation. sudden, to stay with the constitution -- do not fall into this fear mongering situation. stay true. host: thank you. we appreciate it. larry is in new mexico. caller: hello. how are you doing? host: we're listening.

what i want to hear president obama say is, i want him to tell all of his secrets that they have been hiding from us. that is larry in clovis, new mexico. carol's bit more from article in the wall street journal. reviewsident handpicked panel says that phone data should be stored someplace other than the nsa. investigators should be required to get a judge's order to do a search of the data. relocation will be technically difficult. separately, mr. obama is ak the processe

for issuing letters to obtain business data by allowing recipients to disclose the receipt of the letter after five years. these letters are issued without a justice order. recipients are forbidden to its knowledge receiving one. is also expected to detail the establishment of a privacy advocate that would argue before the secret foreign intelligence surveillance court. requests based only on arguments from the government's perspective. this speech will he live at 11:00. it will be live on c-span radio as well. voterse financial times, back egypt's charter for results of a referendum on their new constitution. an overwhelming majority is in support of the new charter. it increases the likelihood of a -sisi, theal run by al

defense minister. the document was approved by 98%. the high approval rate was expected because the muslim brotherhood group boycotted the poll. the next call on surveillance comes from dick in cincinnati. these go ahead. like to hearld president obama come out and say approximately how many lots have been foiled in the last four years because of the nsa. turn it over to congress and give them a about one to do something about it. if they do not do anything, then let him have his way. thank you. the new york times this morning -- a big picture of

michelle obama she gets ready to turn 50 years old. you can see her there. first lady at 50, finding her own path, is the article. perfected a mean forehand and is working on her yoga poses. she dishes over russell sprouts and dirty martinis. she pushes her two daughters to play sports, one of their choosing and one of hers. she says that modern dermatology is in the realm of possibility. contemporary, urban, middle-aged woman. she likes to take "me" time. she took an actual week of vacation in hawaii. hangs outdaughter with the boys a grade above her. unlike the rest of us, she has

significant weeding help. on saturday night, she will celebrate her 50th birth they with dancing and suites on the state floor of the white house. trying the nations attention away from her husband. they will sip fine american wind and eat delicate macaroons. the mix of hollywood and individualism underscores the ch of glamorousty mystery woman and regular mother that defines america's first lady. five years and, she has cobbled together a full life in washington. we will show you the page and you can read it for yourself. new york times -- the full page is here. a lot of text in this article. minot, north dakota.

go ahead with your comment. caller: i would just like to know, how much of this nsa intelligence gathering is aimed at our own government? it is obvious that they like to watch every person that is moving around in this country. how much of this is aimed at watching our own government? we cannot get the truth out of them any other way. maybe the nsa can find the truth. that is all i have to say. host: this is how the usa today is playing the speech. obama faces criticism ahead of his speech. he will wade into treacherous he delivers when his much-anticipated address on government surveillance. the knives are out on both sides. worry that he will not go far enough.

allrts one hand to reject expectations for change. a member of his own review panel is expressing disappointment that he will reject a key recommendation. after spending much of the past month pondering recommendations, he convened in the face of public outrage with a series of allegations. he seems intent on taking a middle path. that is a little bit from usa today. go through some of the recommendations, 46 in all, here is number 18. we recommend that the director of national intelligence should establish a mechanism to monitor the collection and dissemination activities of the intelligence community to ensure they are consistent with the determinations of senior policy leaders. previously, the director should

prepare an annual report on this issue for the national security advisor to be shared with congressional intelligence committees. greg in oklahoma on the democratic line. what are your thoughts? caller: my thoughts are not on reform. my thoughts are, people need to chill out a little bit. ,here are some secrets government secrets, that we do not need to know about. it is for our own good. i would like to let the president talk about it. what has been prevented by the program? they will not arrest my little brother for getting on the phone to get a bag of weed. i think we just need to leave it alone. they are not out to get the little man. they're out to get the bad guys in turbans. those are my thoughts. host: tom is from hanover, ohio.

you're on. caller: i think it is funny how when you think about tapping the phones -- after about four years, now we have more billionaires and millionaires than we ever had before. when you look at everything that has been going on, everybody keeps looking at the small man. when these guys are tapping the phones and everything, how come all of a sudden it is like you have puppets on a string? they are making millions of dollars off of this. you look at the stock market when everything is going up. job performances are going down. host: thank you for calling in. washington, here in a longtime journalist, tweets this out. reports say he will recommend to the government not hold bull telephone metadata.

sherry is calling from north carolina. i did it again, i hit the wrong button. hang on. this is joseph in kentucky. caller: thank you for taking my phone call. i cannot help having the feeling is kind ofebacle like a smokescreen for everything. it is far more important that the american people pay partnership the ptt program portrayed. withoutbeing passed americans knowing about it. if people really knew what was going to be coming out of this, they would be astounded. we're going to lose more of our freedoms. bankt think that this nsa has gotten somewhat coverage.

gotten so much coverage. it is -- host: we're listening. caller: the program is a distraction from the real problems. people should turn off mainstream media and looked up alternative news sites. host: thank you. now sherry in north carolina. independent line. caller: hi. i realizeng because that people are spying on individuals. they are not looking at the little man. what they're looking for is terrorists. i need to take my baby and to time, ift, at the same i do not get the shot, the baby will get sick -- it is terrible, but look at me.

spy on me all you want, but keep me safe. we do not need another 9/11. we should worry about this trade agreement. they do not care if we stole pickles. they do care if we damage our country. go ahead and spy on me and everybody else. more power to you. thank you so much. number 20mmendation from the task force recommends that the u.s. government should examine the feasibility of creating software that would allow the national security agency and other intelligence agencies to conduct targeted information acquisition. and now, steve, ohio. hello. caller: good morning. i would just like to echo the sentiments of the last two callers. i think that the nsa programs should be drastically cut back. , they shouldg is put out what this trade

agreement is going to do to american jobs. it is going to alleviate the corporate responsibilities with transnationals who are selling this country out. host: thank you. the nsalking about surveillance reform speech that the president is giving this morning at 11:00. that will be live on c-span and c-span radio. tweetse some of the about this. nsa concerns are hardly liberal versus conservative. i have heard all sides. and opinionated american says the president should have an independent watchdog. yeah right. steve says many want to make this a black-and-white issue. it is not. we need surveillance, but we need to do it right. says obama wanted an

overhaul but the gop says no. john in nc says it is an and a very increasing socialist -- an ever increasing socialist society. monty says the nsa should target those with security clearances. joe says i do not want to talk about the nsa anymore until they come clean. and this is from murray -- marie all talk and no action. stop spying. harper's column -- her whole du jour, this is a gallup

72% released yesterday read of americans are satisfied with the nation's military strength and preparedness. republicans and 85% of democrats agree. are satisfiedns with the state of race relations. 40% are satisfied with the role that the u.s. plays in world affairs. 38% are satisfied with the availability of affordable health care. 31% of republicans, 56% of democrats. satisfied with the amount that americans pay in federal taxes. 28% overall are satisfied with the nation's economy. jennifer is calling from the

suburbs in silver spring, maryland. caller: hi. how are you? the nsa isis that necessary. it is vital for the safety of the nation. we have not and do a word such wonderful safety because we have not been protecting ourselves. the nsa is i'm slowly necessary. what is the problem is when snowden lake to this information. it does not have anything to do with the target of the information. we do have something to worry about. that is called data brokers. they are collecting your information and selling it for a profit. they are also invading your privacy. you do not know who they are. is snowden connected to these people? that is my only concern. host: mark in kentucky. good morning. caller: hello? good morning, sir. host: turn down the volume on

your tv. caller: ok. host: talk to your telephone. caller: how is this? host: you're fine. caller: what i was talking about with the nsa, we're investing too much money into spyware. he took our jobs from us in kentucky. there are families down here without insurance because these people are coal mining jobs. he needs to give it back. host: we will leave your comment there. a couple more articles to share with you. the white house shares iran deal plan. they made public a summary of the technical details of a recent nuclear pact with iran. implementation plan that has been disclosed to lawmakers. the white house on thursday provided what has been described as a 30 page roadmap

implementing the agreement to lawmakers on capitol hill, provided it remains secret. the summary of the agreement provides more detailed accounting of how the deal will be implemented. it seeks to curb the most advanced parts of the nuclear program in exchange for using western economic sanctions on iran. that is a little bit from the article. the wall street journal also opined on this issue. the sanction showdown -- we will read this. the interim agreement keeps open the path to a bomb. they agree to dilute their stockpiles of enriched uranium. they will stop installing new centrifuges and halt work on a heavy water reactor that could lead to a plutonium bomb. as for the fine print of this agreement, she will have to take

the administration's word for it. officials say the agency, which monitors implementation, usually keeps this confidential. monday, the chief negotiator from iran talked about the investigation and an addendum. it covers their right to nuclear enrichment. more important, the bill lists the terms the final deal must include. ais includes compliance with -- existing u.n. agreement. this is a poison pill. it is true only if the administration will accept and an adequate deal. -- inadequate deal. they want to stiffen mr. obama's spine. that is a little bit from the wall street journal editorial this morning. jonathan, we are talking about nsa surveillance.

the president is speaking at 11:00. jonathan is in georgia. hello. supporti am calling to the recommendations of the nsa. also, for those who think there is no issue with the nsa, i think they should google and look up the recommendations under j edgar hoover. i have a question for c-span. i want to see if you could have somebody who is involved to be a guest on your program and make a video available on your archive. host: the church commission? caller: it is very relevant. host: 1972? we did not come along until 1979. we do not have video in our archives. your idea about the church commission has been hurt by the right years around the company.

thank you so much. steve in east lansing, michigan. hello. caller: i want to thank edward snowden for his public service. i would also like to say that i think it is silly to talk about retracting the nsa surveillance program. how do you talk about something that is the secret? relevant tos more talk about the difference between spying on people for political reasons or spying on them for national security. thank you. host: thank you, sir. the court denies detroit's debt agreement. this is in the usa today. a proposed settlement will pay off to banks that entered into a financing agreement with the city a decade ago. it is too expensive and will not be approved. that was ruled on thursday.

andoit must stop improving making financial decisions that are hasty. a judicialsidered responsibility to help the city emerge from bankruptcy. from usa today, and a lot of papers, a report adds to smoking's disease tally. that smokingfinds causes more physical and financial damage than previously estimated, killing 480,000 americans per year. diabetes,nclude colorectal cancer, and liver cancer. the report is the first time that they have concluded that smoking is harmful and linked to these diseases. they find that smoking causes --umatoid arthritis, rick

and macular degeneration. increases the risk of death from tuberculosis and infectious disease. it also harms pregnant women and their fetuses and causes birth defects. it can cause ectopic pregnancies, which occur when a fertilized egg implants in the fallopian tube rather than the uterus. this comes 30 years after the first report by the surgeon general on smoking. it goes on to say in this the report raises the annual death toll by about 37,000 additional lives lost. it notes that tobacco has killed 20 million americans since 1964 when the first surgeon general

report was released. 21% of women of childbearing age still smoke today. that is little bit from the article in usa today. rie, oklahoma on the republican line. what do you think about nsa surveillance reform? is going to take about half of the money from the nsa and should secure our borders. people coming in and out of our country. thank you. host: ross in oregon. what would you like to hear the president say today? caller: good morning. what i would like for him to say is, we continued to talk about the nsa and this agency.

about else is talking some of the other agencies that are involved in this. there has been a record around the country that the cia is also putting their servers and some of these facilities. i will not name any particular companies that their partners with, but that is going on as we speak. there are a lot of things that are going on behind the scenes. it always seems that our government says that we cannot handle the secrets. i think the real truth is they do not want us to know them. they are the ones that are being causing the problems. i think that the last three presidents have shredded the constitution. obama has put a match to it now. some of these people should be thrown in federal prison. we are talking about the constitution here. host: that is ross in oregon. this is mike in tennessee.

democrat. caller: i would like to ask mr. illegalhy exposing the things that our government has been doing is illegal? that is all i have to say. i would like an answer to that question. host: thank you sir. this tweet from linus. he would like to hear the president say that there is more oversight in the nsa. jackie is calling from new york. republican line. hello. caller: good morning. that iwanted to say would like president obama to address the allegations that have been made by others. in addition to edward snowden -- nsars have alleged that the has been using their data mining facility and technologies to

facilitate black male against members of congress. i would like someone to address those allegations. thank you. host: michael is in washington dc. what are your thoughts? i would just like to hear president obama say that he is going to use some of this funding to help the homeless and the hungry in our nation. that is about it. host: thank you, sir. from the washington times, few snooping changes likely. if the skeptics are correct, president obama is about to embrace an endorsement he of the controversial national security tools and tactics introduced by his predecessor despite railing against those policies while campaigning in 2008. the expectation for friday's long-awaited address, which will outline changes on the surveillance and data collection

efforts, are exceedingly low among privacy advocates and others. they expect that the president will pay lip service to the notion of privacy protection and limited government power. he will continue to practice what has been implemented by the bush administration. the president will be live on c-span from of the department of justice. www.c-span.org watch it on c-spanwww.c-span.org,, or listen to it on c-span radio. in other news this week, an appeals court struck down the federal communications internetn's open rules, also known as net neutrality or network management. we will have a discussion on that next with two former sec commissioners, michael copps, who also served as at the end whilean of the fcc for a and robert mcdowell, senior

republican for a long time on willcc and after that we talk a little bit about volunteerism. toward the end of the show we will go back to going through the newspapers and taking your calls on public policy issues. as regular viewers of c-span no, on the weekend, american history tv on c-span3, booktv on c-span2 , 48 hours of history and 48 hours of nonfiction books respectively. and every couple of weekends we like to visit a city to learn about literary and other histories and we will be able to see this weekend the city of chattanooga, tennessee. this is a little bit from what you will see this week. chattanooga is surrounded by mountains, and that is why we were critical in the civil war.

a great place to set up camp and have a strategic advantage. that has also affected everything that has happened to us over the last several decades, from our really growing ,ut doors and sports world because we have mountains and a river that throws through the middle of the city. that allows us to have an outdoors presents. to how we look at ourselves in terms of connected -- connecting to other communities. in 1969 walter cronkite called is the dirtiest city in america, and then it got better. good news and bad news. the good news, we have cleaner air. the bad news is the air got cleaner because manufacturing left. we really saw that and took control as a city. civic leaders, business, community, and government leaders came together and started to build a new image. now we have a vibrant downtown. the only u.s. home of volkswagen . chattanooga has a real

opportunity. we have an over abundance of manufacturing. if you look at our nation today and what everybody from the president on down is talking about, it is about a real manufacturing renaissance in our country. chattanooga is emblematic. but we have to pull in the high wage jobs that go along with that. that means figuring out, not just having the activity here but having people here doing innovation. how do we make this manufacturing better? yes, internet service providers are gatekeepers and they are also two-sided gatekeepers, like any gatekeeper. somebody on one side and somebody on the other side. so the situation than is very similar to the credit card industry. so, we all have credit cards. then there is the credit card company. on the other side of that, there

is the restaurant. it is very useful for restaurants that we all have credit cards, and it is useful for us that all the restaurants will take them. theit is not so useful if gatekeeper says, now, some of these restaurants, we are not going to allow them to participate in the system. translating that to the present, if the internet service provider were to say, you know, not all the people who are putting the content on their computers, we don't want all of them to be able to have access to all of the users, that is a problem if the gatekeeper behaves that way. >> this weekend, a look at the impact of the d c circuit rolling on broadband and high-speed internet regulations. saturday morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern. on booktv author gary young examines the speech, the story behind martin luther king, junior's drain. part of three days of program this holiday weekend. an american history tv looks at

emancipation, reconstruction and race, atlanta after the civil war. sunday morning at 11:00. continues. journal host: the federal appeals court struck down the federal communications commission's net roles. for the next hour or so we are going to talk about those with two former commissioners of the fcc who served on the commission during the time the open internet rules were established. robert mcdowell is a republican and was the senior republican on the commission for quite a while. and michael copps, a democrat, in the majority during that time. also served as acting chair of the commission for a while. , what exactlyopps is net neutrality? what are we talking about here? guest: i think net neutrality is the effort to keep the internet free and open. terms,ted into practical

it means consumers have a right to access the lawful content of their choice, to attach whatever devices they want to attach to run applications that they want to run and have the benefits of transparency, openness, and nondiscrimination. to makeally an effort sure that consumers rather than companies are in charge of their internet experience. host: when we talk about net neutrality in this view, if somebody is downloading a netflix movie or sending an e-mail, they get equal treatment? guest: that's right here at host: do you support what the appeals court did? guest: no, i don't support what the appeals court did nor do i support what the fcc did on the way to the appeals court. court credit, the appeals did emphasize that the fcc has authority to conduct some

oversight, to keep the internet open. the so-called net neutrality. which, incidentally, i think is a god awful term because it is such an anodyne and non-mobilizing thing. i would rather talk about the open internet or internet freedom, because that is really what we are talking about here. and a lot of the discussion we will have today will probably get in the weeds. but people need to understand what is at stake here, what we are talking about. the future of the internet. and that is the place where increasingly our civic dialogue takes place. that is increasingly where television and radio and news are going. and that is central to our democracy. that is central to our ability to conduct civil dialogue, giving people the news and information, openness without gatekeeping and all of that, so they can make intelligent decisions for the future of the country. goodness knows we've got so many problems in the country. i am one of those people who happens to believe that journalism is hemorrhaging.

we don't have the type of investigative journalism we used to have. and the open internet is very much a part of whether we will have that in the future or not. host: you said you did not like what the fcc did on the way that you supported at the time. guest: i voted for it because it was that or nothing. but basically you get into the weeds are really quick here. but what the federal communications decided several years ago, the beginning of 2002 and then in 2004 was broadband was not really a telecommunications service him it was an information service. , you information service cannot conduct oversight or regulate it to the degree you can if it is a communication -- telecommunications service. things like consumer protections and privacy and public safety and things like that. but the fcc said, no, it's not

that, it is an information service over here. what the court said was, if you are going to call it information service then you have to regulate it like information service, or in this case, not regulate it at all. but if you go back and classify it as a telecommunications service, then you are probably on sound ground. it would be contentious but it would not the all that complex. you would have the commission go back and say, we kind of made a 2004.e back in 2002 and of course, this stuff is telecommunications. at telephone call is a telephone call, whether a land line service or an internet call. functionally it is the same sort of thing. why wouldn't a consumer be callled on that internet to the same kind of protections that advocates fought for or consumers for years and years west among all these things we are talking about?

mcdowell,issioner same question. how would you define net neutrality? what did you -- do you think about the court did? the folks me say for watching, michael copps and i come from different philosophical approaches on many issues but we are the best of friends and we had a terrific colleagues inas the fcc. this is a rarity in washington. sometimes we would arrive at the same destination but through different paths completely. and there are things that this -- divide is. it is not republican versus democrat and not necessarily net neutrality, but he is unc chapel ill and i went to duke -- so am wearing my duke tie and cufflinks just to throw him off his game. i have to resort to such tactics. can i emphasize what he said? when i was acting chairman we went through the dtv transition, a consultative thing, and i cannot not have had a more cooperative attitude -- traveling to dance around the

country explaining to folks. of looking at how this plays runs, and it turns out while there are less optical differences and differences of opinion in these issues, over 90% of what the place does is by consensus and it is not divided by politics of the left or right. it is a license or spectrum dispute or something like that. but when we were talking about net neutrality this was a partisan issue. guest: thank you, sir. appreciate that. guest: net neutrality is what i called for years a workshop term , what different people see into it. the concept of open and freedom enhancing internet i think is important to everybody. we all agree on that. let's look at the internet before december 21, 2010, the date of the net neutrality vote. it was open and freedom enhancing then. you had start up companies.

google was a start up once upon a time. facebook was a start up, so was twitter and a lot of other companies. they blossomed beautifully. the internet has been the fastest penetrating technology in the history of mankind. all across the globe. and i think it is precisely because that space was unfettered. and keeping it deregulated and not regulating it like a monopoly phone company, which we will call titleii for folks folks, the for shorthand. that was bipartisan consensus. whatoing back actually to we call computer inquiries, starting in 1970 at the fcc, and again, another big bill -- big order in 1980 and another in 1988. during the clinton administration, then the chairman of the fcc, bill kennard, i'm a big fan, talking about how we should not regulate the internet or broadband as a phone service.

reasons.iety of it just operates differently. if you talk to an engineer, packet switching operates differently -- that is the internet -- from analog circuit switch voice. there are a lot of differences. so we treated computer-two-computer medications differently for a variety of good public policy reasons. consumers have been a net beneficiary. guest: commissioner mcdowell, what you think of the decision -- host: commissioner mcdowell, what do you think of the decision by the appeals court, to clinton employee -- appointees and a reagan appointee? guest: commissioner baker at the time and i wrote a very long , and the --dissents scaredited our dissents i was very happy with the bulk of what it said. that the commission exceeded its statutory authority and that congress never gave the fcc the

authority to do what it tried to do. i note that it did leave in the fcc's roll on transparency so internet service providers still have to be transparent and disclose to the public what their practices will be. this has been underrated in the mainstream press. it is not really been picked up. the significance of that is big. the other thing that is big is while the court reinforced the fence around the fcc's jurisdiction, or wall off the jurisdiction saying the fcc cannot legislate and only congress can legislate, there is a hole in the fence under what is called section 706, the cornerstone of the fcc's argument that december 21, 2010. as they looked at the section to give it authority. the court says there is authority to do something -- section 706, at hole in the

fence in the jurisdiction. we don't know how big the whole lives. this is a prelude to a sequel, to be continued. then the court went on to say it can't look like any regulation -- any regulation, not a fcc cannot look like the old-style phone regulation. it can't look like that. the judge, who also fashioned a case also known as of data roaming case about 18 months ago or so i think was looking for a looser net revelatory structure. that is my cute -- theory of the case. whether or not a new panel of the d c circuit will uphold that, you have a panel of judge kavanaugh or williams or other in the majority -- i don't think they will agree that the commercial arrangement of the loosely knit -- i don't think they would agree that it will hold up in court. host: what is going to be the effect?

what is going to be the us that on the consumer of this decision? guest: absolutely nothing. weremmediate press results that consumer costs were going to go up. actually, i think the opposite will happen. if there are web destination for applications that consume content, there is now the freedom to have those companies subsidize consumer bandwidth consumption. i would use my 14-year-old son griffin as an example. he uses his mobile device to look at espn a lot. we will try to get him to look at c-span more often. anyway, that consumes a lot of our data plan. withpn has an arrangement the isp, the wireless company, in this case -- and by the way, the commission exempted wireless from the neutrality rule -- his grades -- rates may be able to

stay low. it punishr is doesn't or dis-incentivize startups? the answer is, no. there is a whole panoply of laws already on the books. antitrust laws, consumer protection laws, common law, interference of contract, the federal trade commission, the u.s. apartment of justice antitrust division, state attorneys general, consumer advocates, a whole host of state and federal law where the government can come down on internet service to writers like a hammer if consumer harm starts to arise due to deals being cut that produce consumer harm. consumers are safe. maybe next year their rates are not going to go what. in fact, they may have a more robust experience. let's wait and see how the marketplace develops before we as a government try to guess. host: michael copps? guest: i think the cost to consumers will be high cost and potentially horrendous if this decision is left unaddressed. i look at what is happening here

really as a slow, sometimes not so slow cable ovation -- cableization of the internet. if those watching the show are happy with the cable providers and don't mind all of the fight to the cable and content get into onto whether they will carry a football game or the nfl has to pay more for the game or your favorite dramatic series, fine, don't be worried about this debate we are talking about right now. but if you want to consign this open internet technology, perhaps the most innovating -- will in history to the gatekeeper control and potential discrimination with the provider can favorite on products or favor those who can pay them the most fees, then you ought to really be concerned about this. this is not what broadband was supposed to be. it has the potential to be the most opportunity creating technology than the printing press. you see it go the way of cable or the way of any other

communications system -- radio, tv, or cable -- that we have had, i think would be a tragedy of almost historical dimensions. on theur discussion is open internet rules that the fcc developed in 2010 and the federal appeals court denied this past week. 202 is the area code -- guests are two former members of the federal communications commission and you can begin dialing in. we will begin taking the calls in just a minute. you mention what could occur, what the fcc commission could do. the new fcc chairman tom wheeler book about what the fcc may do, yesterday. [video clip] the court invited the commission to act. and i intended to accept that

invitation. -- intend to accept that invitation. using our authority we will readjust the concept of the open internet order, as the court invited, to encourage growth in innovation and enforce against the abuse. we noted with great interest the expressions from many internet service providers to the effect that they will continue to honor the open internet orders concepts even though they may have been remanded to the commission. is the right and responsible thing to do, and we take them up on their commitment. , we accept thee court's invitation to revisit the structure of the rules that it vacated. host: robert mcdowell, what is

your reaction? isst: i think tom wheeler the type of leader who is going to do what he says he is going to do. i have known tom a long time. he is saying there is that hole in the fence, and he will look at other ounces. whether it is under the legal authority the cap -- court granted him under section 706, i think he will explore that. i think you will explore all his options. ,t may be full court of appeals or an appeal to the supreme court and it could be an attempt to try to reclassify broadband under title ii, phone service. i think that would be a huge mistake for the economy. but he could do that. there is a docket that has been sitting there since may of 2010. he has a number of options in front of him. and, by the way, the transparency option. let me talk about that very quickly. that was left standing. service provider, needs to, as a matter of law,

disclosed to the public, disclosed to the world, what plans are. act in anns are to anti-competitive way, it has to say so. if it acts in an anti-competitive way and has not said so before hand, then the fcc can come down like a hammer on that internet service provider. but in the meantime, i would hope chairman wheeler would meet with the leadership of the federal trade commission, state attorneys general, consumer advocates at the state and federal level, as well as even trial lawyers to lay out all of their weapons whether statutory or common law, put them on the table, meet with internet service providers and say we have all of these weapons at our disclosed -- disposal. if you start harming consumers, we will come after you. that is and will be in as a huge deterrent. host: commissioner copps used ization acable-

broadband. "wall street journal" has a ofumn beware of cableization the internet and he talks about some of the new business models. i want to get your view of whether it will be good, bad, you are indifferent to them. "the regulatory details are complex but the critics and proponents agree that the new rules could alter internet and basic business model" --

guest: right, these are actually old arguments. i disagree respectfully. first screen the computer -- for consumers increasingly is mobile. i look at my three kids, my focus group, and their first screen is the mobile screen. more often than not, that is spectrum,licensedvia which i have been a proponent of that the commission. that mixes up the competitive equation quite a bit. so there's a lot of competition. so, if a cable company literally that is offering broadband that is at thing in an anti-competitive way or somehow frustrating consumer demand, there are alternatives for the consumer. there is also the fact that the fastest-growing segment of the broadband market is the wireless segment. that mixes up everything and waters down the cableization

argument. but the premise of that argument is that there is market power and an abuse of that market power. if that is the case, you can look to section 5 of the federal trade commission act, you can look at the department of justice antitrust division, and there would be investigations right away, if not lawsuits filed by the government and consumer activists and plaintiffs attorneys. that acts as a determinant for the so-called cableization. the cable industry is under threat by unlicensed wireless. commissioner cox, what is wrong with netflix and at&t teaming up saying, hey, we will give you a discount and you can access netflix or whatever service provider if you join at&t. what is wrong with that? guest: big-money joining hands with big money and discouraging

the garage entrepreneurs, the small website operator, the small content producer. i want to go back for just a second to your playing of chairman wheeler's remarks, because they are good remarks. wise toink we are realize how difficult really this is to do. it is easier said than done. i had been in this town for 40-some years right now, and during all of that time i have seen the power of the special interests and the power of big-money proliferate. so, the folks on the other side who are against this kind of open internet have armies of fullists and wheelbarrows of money to deploy in this crusade. so, this is not something that will be politically easy for am counting on the fact for the commission to be as

immune as possible. are allransparency, we for transparency, but if there's no rules about what will be transparent and then i think we've got a problem. if we are going to count on companies, because they say we are going to be in the mode of good behavior, well, that is taking a leap. because the dynamic of capitalism and free enterprise is to try to get market control and to try to get the gatekeeper control. there is nothing wrong with that. youif you let it go and have no public oversight and you can't say stop at some period before it becomes a doo-wop and monopoly.ly host: we have gone too long -- i apologize to the viewers. statel, i don't know what you are calling from but you are

calling on the republican line. go ahead, michael. pennsylvania. i'll echo -- bestr: thank you tuesday's to c-span. the fcc is integral to a free and open society. i agree with both. i particularly like what mr. cox is saying-- copps about the openness of the internet and the freedoms allowed because of this new entity, so-called new entity. but i had a question for both gentlemen. it may not be completely related to the internet. showve a local radio talk that recently has been taken off of the year, and i think it was very popular. and i think it was taken off for political reasons. fcc, this newe rule that the senate, without the 60 votes, you can improve -- with thesimple

simple majority. i think you don't have the mainstream american political thought now than you used to have because of this ruling. and i think you can pack the fcc with radical viewpoints. i think that is one of the things that is detrimental to our free society. i was wondering your take on some of these appointments. host: robert mcdowell? any word for that viewer especially when it comes to the radio issue? guest: i am not familiar with the facts of that particular matter of a show i guess being taken off the air, a radio station in pennsylvania. and you think it was for political reasons. i don't know how to respond directly to that. is if you are saying there some fcc action involved, i would love to know more about that. that would be probably patently unconstitutional. there is something called the fairness doctrine which came up in the late 1940's, which was

the government effort to balance political speech over the airways. it was a pale -- upheld but barely in a sip record case in 1969. but i think today would be viewed as unconstitutional under the first amendment. we think of other platforms -- let's say, a newspaper, the government would have no rights under the first amendment to try to balance political speech there, and this and not on the air and should not try to do so on the internet, either, and does not need to a cause of the very low barriers to entry. regarding whether or not the commission can be hacked -- packed. they are appointed by the president and confirmed by the senate that you mention the nuclear option, that no longer it takes 60 votes to get nominees through. we will see. that is going to be invoked from time to time. i agree with senator mcconnell, i think the majority in the senate will regret that someday when the tide turns.

but it is entirely possible. but right now i think you have five highly intelligent committed public servant serving on the fcc. it is one of the most qualified ever. i disagree philosophically with there, but folks some very intelligent people and i think the american people should take some comfort. -- i may regret the statement later if they do something egregious. now otherpacked right than the white house's party tends to get the majority. host: michael copps, a viewer tweets in -- guest: well, i think you can make the case probably and government by and large, in agencies, not just the fcc, that

there has been something of a which is power and trends in power. entrenching power. they try to put in some curbs on that. i do not think it has worked 100%. but the fcc mission in life is to preserve the public interest. it is a consumer protection .ublic interest agency that is its job. host: new chairman tom wheeler served as as the head of served -- some interest groups -- corporate interest groups, etc. is that a mistake to put him as chair of the fcc after that? performancenk the test will count. tom is a tremendously capable man who understand how the town works. i think he is looking for another job anywhere in his career right now. i think he is going to be

dedicated to public interest. i certainly hope so. but that being said, i still think as a general matter, given the amount of money and given uninhibited campaign --enditures, we ought to we've got to start putting the public interest back on top. host: starting with you, commissioner mcdowell, should communication and wireless communications between the same? they are currently not, correct? guest: let me throw out a #for commactupdate. i do think we need a rewrite of our communications laws. the last time they were fundamentally written was really 1934. we had an amendment to that in 1996. but the foundation are still rooted in 1934. and if you dig deeper it goes railroad9th century

monopoly law. what it does is it regulates different technologies based on the history. again, if you look at the average american consumer, they don't really care what conduits their content came over or if they are generating their own applications. we right now now have a statutory construct where is -- if it is over the air one way, broadcast, it is to do differently, and another way, unlicensed mobile wireless, treated another way, and licensed wireless is treated another way. coaxial cable, treated another way. fiber is treated another way. twisted wires, another way. what is actually happening with everything you are doing on your computer right now and what i might do on my phone later, as the communications traversed, they are going through a number of technologies but with a different regulatory treatment. that creates distortions in the marketplace.

i think we need to look at all of this through the lens of competition law and with the goal being consumer protection. what harms are there being put forth to consumers? so, i would hope that the fcc would actually do a market study of the broadband market, a bona fide, peer-reviewed market study before it acts. and also before congress asked to rewrite the law. my hat off to chairman fred upton of the energy and commerce committee and the subcommittee chairman for launching last month a dialogue which will take years, but a dialogue to examine how can we modernize, bring up to date our communications laws. they are out of date and they are creating a lot of distortion. guest: i don't think wireless and wireline have to be regulated exactly the same, but certainly when you get to fundamentals like consumer protection and you say, well, one can't discriminate but the other can, that is a

dissimilarity that i do not think is appropriate for this day and age. and i don't think we have years to ponder all of this. because every year that goes by seized the power of these big companies grow and more and more consolidation, more and more mergers pending, more and more and gatekeeping. so generally the protections it should be the same -- protections should be the same. you get into the weeds and -- it harkensate back to a previous error, so is the constitution and the declaration of independence. host: stephen is calling from new york. canandaigua. caller: one of the beautiful finger lakes. is copps is correct

everything he has said and mr. mcfaul likes to focus on the consumer experience -- mr. mcdowell likes of focus on the consumer experience but small businesses like ours are being locked out by big internet players. let me give you some detail. we are a small business in upstate new york whose largest customer is the federal government. we were pioneers of the internet and we have been sending personal and business e-mail from our own servers since 1995. ever,not, nor have we been a source of spam. last year, without explanation, yeah. delivering our mail to its yahoo! e-mail customers, including my own brother-in-law. verizonhe same time, aopped answering our server's connection request. so i can't even send e-mail to my sister-in-law, either. nor verizon were

responsive to requests to resume delivering e-mail. messages refer me to a nonexistent yahoo! website and verizon simply ignores all communication. host: we will bring this to a close. if you could put a conclusion on that. caller: it has no authority in this matter. host: you are saying the fcc has no authority? caller: i went to the fcc about this and it replied it has no authority in this matter. host: you guys are hearing just a little bit of a story here. i think these are details that fill in the argument that i have been trying to make any more eloquent fashion and more fact-based fashion van i was able to do. these companies have tremendous power to run over small providers and small websites. that is what we are talking about. guest: i don't know the

specifics of your case, and i would obviously love to talk more about that. but if indeed that is the case, under the net neutrality rules that stood, one could make the argument that you could have filed a complaint with the fcc. i don't know if you filed a complaint during that window of time or not. but if it is a matter of traffic congestion, then the fcc might come back and say it is reasonable traffic management. i don't know the specifics of what you are saying, but if there is a market power concerned that is harming you maybe you have -- maybe deceptive trade practices claim or maybe antitrust claim. there are a lot of other legal tools for you to look at. i would write to the federal trade commission and the state attorney general if you think you are being unfairly treated. again, i don't know your specific facts. robert mcdowell, a viewer tweets in --

guest: so, a network engineer would actually say, no. and here's why. ,f you are downloading a video you want that experience to be seamless. you don't want fragmentation and pixelization of the video. the video bits have the be given priority over the e-mail bits, let's say, or other bits like voice over ip. ,o, when you are using skype voice over ip, you want that to be a good experience so those bits have to be given priority. that is not treating all bits of the same. some would say, of course, that is reasonable traffic management, network management. there is a lot of engineering that goes on here. we have to be careful of bumper stickers saying treated all the same. that is how the mainstream press likes to oversimplify it. it is much more complicated than that. day, ishe end of the

the consumer experience being frustrated, and why? is it an application that is clogging the pipes for the some otheris it nefarious purpose like being anti-competitive? so, treating this all the same sounds good if you say it fast, but it is not the way an engineer would look at how best to run things. host: michael copps, from "the wall street journal" this sprint -- talking about taking t-mobile in a merger. if you were sitting on the fcc right now, just generally, how do you think he would vote on that? guest: first of all, i would like to see the background and listen to the arguments on both sides. historically, as you know, i have been an opponent of all of this consolidation that we have had. some have argued it is better to have the third big competitors, so you have verizon and at&t and then this combined entity, but i don't think it represents the

kind of competition the wireless industry really needs to have. and you can't unwind the clock. thousandsgo back to and thousands of wireless providers but you can do better than we are doing now through spectrum auctions and screens to encourage some kind of competition. skeptical.k at it as i would have an open mind if somebody comes up with some facts i have not thought of. but it has not been a good friend and i have not favored the trend. marietta, georgia. you are on with former fcc commissioners mcdowell and michael copps. caller: good morning. first, i want to say off the top , mr. copps is my hero. i watched him some time back when william powell, colin powell's son was sitting on the tord pretty much trying

throw the fcc under the bus, as far as i was concerned. that observing all of this, me as a consumer, customer, i go to places like abc, link tv which i contribute to in order to get news -- bbc, link tv that i contribute to or al jazeera. i do this because i cannot get content that is informative in this country because it is owned by big business. here is mr. mcdowell tried to calmly thatt -- these companies have the right to come into the internet, which taxpayer subsidized, even though the military comes out with it, and they basically want to privatize this. control thel content now. another place to go to for news, of course, in the internet. now when i go to the internet i

will have to be concern i would access tonal have independent content because these would have to be noted as not-competitive -- i would have access to independent content. who is going to prove it? how many lawyers will it take to disprove it? it is just ridiculous. host: i think that appointment let's get a response from robert mcdowell. sharon, tould point, paris december 21, 2010, internet, the date the net neutrality order was voted on. robust, buries the entry low, it was blossoming -- barriers to entry were low. more news on internet than any other time in history. consumers have more in tune -- information on the fingertips within just minutes that people did in their entire lifetimes. if you want to go back to the days of three broadcast networks

and maybe one or two newspapers per city and have lots of government oversight and regulation of that, i would not take those days again. i think we are in the best possible situation here. we are just not entering the golden age of public his course and access to information, and that is why there are a lot of authoritarian regimes throughout the world wanting more steak and involvement. the internet has blossomed beautifully precisely because it has been unfettered. the concern i have is with more and more state intrusion, whether the nsa incidents or international attempts to try to have more government involvement with the net, that is the wrong direction to go in. enjoying, sharon, more information and opinion at your fingertips than any other time in your life, and that happened precisely because the internet space was deregulated. i think you put your finger on one of the central problems facing us today. what you are talking about is largely the result of all of the

consolidation the media industry has gone through over the last generation. it is a documented fact that when these companies merge, then they are looking to pay for the mergers and to finance the transaction and the first place where a lot of them look to fire people and to make these so-called economies is the newsroom. i have seen various figures but since the turn-of-the-century we have lost maybe 40% or 50% of our investigative journalists in the united states. that is no way to hold the powerful accountable. last time i looked there were 26 states that don't even have a reporter accredited on capitol hill. how can you hold the powerful accountable? passing laws on voter suppression and deregulation and all -- the coverage of those state capitals is almost nonexistent. problem inen the traditional media, but now it is the problem in new media, too. much more difficult to

start right now than five years ago. we don't have a model of investigative journalism in the internet and unless we face off -- face up to the problem we will dumb down civic dialogue to the extent we will make even worse position for the future of the united states of america. -- i think it is much easier to start a blog than 10 or 15 years ago. you can do that on your wireless device right now. just start blogging away. certainly something we did not have in the day that the printing press or a.m. radio or three tv networks. now it's really the golden age for information for consumers. they are much more empowered than any other time in human history. in --virginia weighs guest: i am a virginian and my dad is a texan -- hopefully not a relative of mine.

mentioned caller michael powell, the former chair of the fcc and is now head of the national cable and association. he has an op-ed piece in "usa today" and he writes about this. ask, is the internet so heavyhat you need injection of rules and regulations to fix it? answer is no. guest: we are going down the path on the internet that we radio, cable,nd television, more consolidation, controlled by a few and gatekeeping. this ought to be a golden age of media. it ought to be a golden age of reporting and journalism. exactlyeaded and just the opposite way. we've got the tools but we will not use the tools but i think my friend michael is wrong on that.

host: michael copps served in robert 2001-2011 and mcdowell served 2006 until just this year, 2013. and both have appeared on c-span's "communicators" program on a regular basis. this weekend, current fcc .ommissioner senior republican here's what he had to say about the decision on the open internet rules. [video clip] >> to be sure, there are some who argue there should be invested back to the future solution to internet regulation. that and looking at this innovative dynamic, broadband industry, we should apply the outdated, in my opinion, 19th-century railroad style regulation. but i think the key for us if we really want to incentivize broadband deployment and greater investment in broadband infrastructure is to have an approach that leaves behind a

heavy-handed economic regulations of the pass and recognizes the marketplace for what it is today, which is one of intra-modal competition, telephone companies, cable, satellite, wireless and other companies competing to provide the same service. if we do that, i am confident it will take care of the problem without the need a prophylactic regulations from the fcc. host: that to your calls. rory calling from virginia. go ahead. going to have to move on. it reminded to viewers, when you get through, turned on the volume on your tv. there is a delay. we are able to hear you through the phone and you can hear the program through the fun as well. huntington, west virginia, democrat. taking myink you for call. i am scared to death of this internet, especially in the school system. -- 90% of theunty

students cannot even afford the public lunch. that's why you have 100% free public lunch is. internet, they go home and they have zero access. [indiscernible] thank you. to talk abouts school? guest: i will. it is so important our schools do have the kind of high-speed technology that enables students to be able to keep but with their competitors in the urban areas of foreign countries. thank goodness to west virginia senator rockefeller, there is a program that enables a school to access this kind of technology and in many cases use it as an anchor institution in the community. but if you are a student in you arest virginia,

competing against everybody else. not just in your country but around the globe, for johnson opportunity. you are trying to do your homework or research on low speed or no speed tools while the kid in the urban area or a student overseas has access to really high-speed technology. you are trying to start a business in rural west virginia and you don't have any bandwidth, you don't have any markets, you don't have any opportunity. though you are absolutely right. thathis is not something the marketplace by itself can resolve. we have never built infrastructure in this country that way. it has always been to a public-private partnership with a national vision, goals set by the government, incentives provided by the government to get infrastructure built. whether it is roads, highways, interstate highways, electricity, you name it. going back to the founding of the country. why should we expect business to go into an area where there is

no business plan for it to go? it has to have some incentives and it has to have encouragement from the government. au put your finger on just tremendous problem for this country, if we are denying our kids access to the kind of tools they need. we are denying the future of the country. it's good jay rockefeller is currently chairman of the commerce committee in the senate. here -- host: jay rockefeller is currently the chairman of the commerce committee in the senate and this is what he said about net neutrality -- host: robert mcdowell, a viewer who tweeted earlier i wanted to follow-up. she is asking --

guest: the one i talked about the engineer giving your video get priority over the e-mailed it to make the experience better for you, that is because of consumer demand. just to make an assumption -- is there some sort of anticompetitive conduct going on? the answer is, no. early not in any systematic way. and there was not before the net neutrality roles. what is interesting the fcc never did conduct an economic study, market study of the broadband market. that happened was the federal trade commission in 2007, and it have a unanimous -- had a unanimous bipartisan vote that found that actually the broadband market was robust and competitive. and it warned in a bipartisan way of the unintended consequences of regulation, that actually costs go up especially for low end consumers who just sip bandwidth may be subsidizing

higher and consumers who guzzle it. something also want to point out. you want to go into the title ii direction, the phone monopoly style regulation of the internet, it actually allows for tiering and a two-sided market that all of these things that proponents of title ii do not like. it allows for that, but just in a regulated way. it would stifle competition. it would stifle investment. i think it would be bad for america. is the oldr that black rotary dial phone that was there for 60 years because of this type of regulation, rather than focusing on competition. but just people of that you mind. --t: would have been would've you been doing since you left the commission? visiting fellow at the hudson institute. a wonderful think tank here in washington, for their center on economics and the internet.

speaking and writing and spending more time with my family as well pit until this week. until this court decision came out, then i have been doing media interviews. host: michael copps, since you left? g come i thought i was retiring -- guest: i thought i was retiring but ended up spending time at common cause and a reform and democracy initiative, really to study civic dialogue in the country about the future of our media and the internet. i have had wonderful experience as a fellow at the harvard university center this past semester. i am keeping busy. but also finding a little more time for the kids and grandkids. host: what is your biggest concern when it comes to telecommunications today? createshat it opportunity and serves democracy. and these are not questions about terminology and semantics. these are questions about the future of where this country is going. all of the communication things are going to translate to the internet, that internet becomes hugely invested with the

public interest, and as a country would have to face up to that if we want a free and open internet, if we want people to have access to all of these communications tools and if we want a civil dialogue that is forms rather than diminishes the state of the nation. guest: my concern is there would be some public policy adopted that would have perhaps the best of intentions but unintended consequences that will actually harm innovation, investment, and the consumer experience. market.us look at the i think the fcc should wait and see. it should do a market study. again, peer-reviewed bona fide economic analysis -- what it has not done. i think it had done, it would find that the competitive, dynamic, robust and consumers a much better off because the internet was unfettered. the concerned about unintended consequences and sometimes intended consequences of government action.

host: rich in marion, ohio. go ahead with your question for two former fcc commissioners. caller: what a fantastic discussion. available topes get information in and out quickly. or someone downloading a movie, is it important for them to get it done and half a second or two minutes, or can they get a discount for taking mother to get it so we don't jam up the highway with things that people don't really care about having right away? other types of common occasion should go the speed of light and should have the right-of-way. the other thing, we build bigger pipes -- how long would it take to download library of congress? who will it be sent to? sent to our students are sent out to china within a half an hour? important questions. business, they are loading up a lot of junk -- "mob wives" and stuff like that you

can step out of your bill, but there are a lot of great things coming through. host: we will start with you, commissioner mcdowell? up a lot ofring issues. but under the net neutrality roles there is a disincentive to try to foster pricing freedom. if you wanted to download a movie and you wanted it done quickly and you didn't want to -- big,a 24 by seven fat, expensive broadband hype to your home, if you could for $.50, let's say, download that movie with an extra burst of speed so you get a very quickly, that is good for you. , ifare actually paying less speed is important. paying less than if you had a full-time big fat high-speed pipe to your house. it gives the movie to you quicker. you are happy. there is an economic efficiency for both the supplier and the

buyer. is the time for experimentation. if that becomes anti-competitive , then let's look at it and stop it, obviously. but i think this is a wonderful time to try to experiment with pricing freedom because we don't know. the private sector there are billions of ideas and decisions made. some succeed and some fail of their own merits. we want them to continue to succeed or fail on their own merits. but this is one possibility that offers a great deal of benefit to consumers going forward. i think there is an expectation on the part of consumers for really fast downloading. one reason why it is more and more difficult to establish i think we ought to see this discussion in a different perspective. we're talking about rationing

scarcity. companies are saying we need data caps. big companies saying, were not going to build that much fiber anymore to the country. they're prospering on the current scarcity they have a broadband capacity. if we had a national mission to every cranny of this land, we would have fewer discussions because we would have capacity to facilitate quick transmission of everything. host: unfortunately, we are out of time. thank you for being on the "washington journal." we do have to close with one more tweet.

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house events, briefings and conferences and offering complete coverage of the u.s. house all as a public service a private industry. created by the cable tv industry 35 years ago unfunded i are local cable or satellite provider. host: this week we want to look at the state of volunteerism in the u.s. us is wendy spencer, ceo of the corporation for national and community service, as well as elizabeth boris, founding director of the center on nonprofits and philanthropy at the urban institute in washington. wendy, what is the corporation for national and community service? guest: it's a federal agency. grant,nister a miracle

senior corps grants. we engage about 5 million americans in service. host: are we a volunteering nation? guest: we are. tells us that one in four americans volunteers through an organization, even more informally. boris, 64 point 5 million americans, one in 4 -- 7.9 billion hours in 2012. what kind of volunteering are we doing? everything the map, from direct services, providing food and shelter, to mentoring children, boy scout leaders,

, all acrosseaders the board. help services, community services, active civic volunteering. host: is the u.s. unique? guest: certainly in the scale of volunteering, we are far ahead of the crowd. host: why is that? have 1.6 million nonprofit organizations in this country and we have an agency that is helping to promote and study and make volunteering visible. host: wendy, what are the volunteer activities? the number one activity is fund raising. people like to raise money for causes they believe in. , our 25% of volunteers ing,arch shows us, collected

distributing or serving food second. host: when you say fundraising, does that mean getting on the phone or hitting up your neighbors? early it starts at an age. you mentioned selling girl scout cookies, which is what i did at the way up toll volunteering for your faith organization, your charities you really believe in. our research tells us that if you volunteer, you are almost twice as likely to give to charity. our research says they also give to charity. three americans

informally volunteer. what's the difference between formal and in volunteering, informal? guest: formal is through an organization. you go to a school or university and get into a mentoring program. al can be taking your neighbor to get to the health or providing services your neighbors may need. with a population aging, there is more and more of this informal volunteering to help one another. to participateke in our conversation on volunteerism, the numbers are on your screen divided by region. if you are volunteer, we want to hear about your experience.

put a dollar value on volunteerism? guest: you do a survey and then you figure out how many hours people are volunteering and then you put a dollar value on it. research over the years has come up with something like a little over $19 an hour, and that blends in, both the administrative and soup kitchen work along with the pro bono lawyers and accountants, and we get this average number. host: what is that number? $22.14 this year. if you take the hours of american volunteers in 2012, that is $175 billion in value. host: wendy, there are people sitting out here who say, we don't need a government organization to tell us to volunteer. are agency i consider a

seed at the local level. we provide grants for americorps, for example. recruitingre volunteers who serve alongside them. part of the idea is not only will they provide direct service for a set amount of time and objectives over the year, but they will also recruit volunteers to serve alongside them. when they graduate from their year of service, you have left behind a country of volunteers who will help the cause and even give money to the cause. host: what is the urban institute and what do you study their? guest: social science research institution. my center studies the nonprofit sector and philanthropy.

we have the nation's databases. we are so happy that the of thetion is in charge effort, because it was difficult to do these volunteering studies. we need the data on a regular basis. host: why? guest: it is an invisible part of the economy. to know the scope and dimensions and be able to promote it and say there is a value to this, so people are encouraged to do it, that is what the data has enabled us to do. host: when you look at data supplied by the corporation, what surprised you the most? guest: two things. one, i'm happy to see the millennials volunteerism is going up.

when you look at the proportion that are working mothers, almost 40% -- who could be busier than a working mother? that is an indication that everybody can volunteer. host: look at those volunteer rates. ,arents of school-aged children 33.5%. what kind of work are they doing? guest: lots of work, especially connected to the schools. a lot of these are serving and connected to the schools. why,ata does not tell us but i know when i was a parent child i remember

being very close to the community organizations and wanted to make sure my children were being raised in a quality community. host: how many hours a week do we volunteer? about 50 hours a year. our seniors, almost 90 hours a year. host: let's work in our callers as well. the first call is from grand rapids, michigan on our volunteer line. caller: hello. host: what kind of work do you do? i have a rare disability so since i've been out of work i've been volunteering for three years and i just had a question on the agencies and programs we volunteer for.

why is it that they don't pay more attention to the moms of america that is volunteering when i'm not able to work and not trying to assist us with finding a regular job that we can work? you wouldabeth, if address this. one of the charts the corporation puts out is volunteering among the unemployed. the corporation has some good data now on the benefits of ,olunteering for the unemployed providing all kinds of opportunities to gain skills, which volunteering often enables folks to do, and builds a connection so people meet other folks and through those networks are able to secure employment. i am an example of that great i was a working mother, finishing my phd -- that.

mother,working finishing my phd, and working with a vice president from a major corporation. soon i had a job. it's those connections that often provide that pathway into employment. nonprofits should seize almost possibilities and start making those pathways to employment. great your viewer makes a point. in mothers,ested especially those who are unemployed and want to work. -- if youew research volunteer and you are unemployed, does it help you gain employment. the answer is yes. if you are unemployed and you volunteer, the likelihood of you gaining employment increases by 27%.

if you live in a rural community and you are unemployed, the likelihood increases 55%. if you don't have a high school diploma, 51% is the odds. very important for those who are looking for work. our messages get out and volunteer. host: men are women, who volunteers the most? guest: women. host: why? guest: our research does not tell us why. very connected to the community, women are caregivers. ence, i0 years' experi have seen a pattern of women. the busiest people i know are the working moms. host: elizabeth, why do women volunteer more than men? guest: it's a lifecycle thing

for women. moms, yourworking kids are in community groups. good one, youis a want your kids to grow up in a caring community and being cynically active helps those communities to do their best. host: the volunteer rate for the to 27%.als is up what kind of activities are they doing? guest: lots of activities are connected to schools. of teenagers, i did notice the schools getting very involved in my children as they were teenagers.

elizabeth, you may have seen other patterns. schools are encouraging more as far as i've observed. schools are more likely to encourage volunteerism than when i was going to school. the benefits of volunteering are really getting into the public domain. who come toof folks urban and want to work with us. that stuff on your resume. you volunteered at a food bank or entity at some sort or another, that shows that you're out there and connected. host: are you a volunteer? guest: i am. mostly on committees and boards and advisory groups. i have painted school walls in the district. guest: on mondays i tutor a child at a local school. i walk there on monday afternoons.

it's a very special part of my week. if i'm going to ask people to volunteer, i have to walk the walk myself. i really enjoy it. it actually teaches me lessons as a volunteer myself that i can speak about when i'm traveling the road. host: a caller from maryland. caller: i volunteer at a nursing home here in rockville. i have for over 15 years. i escort residents to and from activities. host: what do you get out of it? i love it, and the relationships i develop with the residents -- i've been doing it .or more than 15 years sitting in a room, playing games

with them, it just makes you feel good. host: are you employed as well? i have a great job but i wanted to talk about what you're guests said. i lost a great job in 2008. if volunteer director asked i would like to come in more often and i said yes. it makes looking for a job a little bit easier. day, i wass a volunteering, busy with the residents. guest: some interviews i've done over time really stress what dave is talking about, the benefits of being connected and giving back. so many of us are very fortunate , and find time in our lives to be connected with other folks

that we can help. mentoring is a good example of how people can be helping young people. we need so many more mentors that i would encourage folks to be doing that kind of work and in our nursing homes and facilities for older americans, there are a lot of opportunities to build those one-on-one which mean a lot to many folks. host: what about liability issues with phone tears? -- volunteers? liabilities,are but there is insurance for organizations. in most nonprofits they're aware of the issues and can hedge -- any him and

downsides. in my many years of working with nonprofits, i know they're becoming better at looking at policies and procedures and managing risk around this. marjorie in washington, d.c. caller: hi. host: if got to turn down that tv -- you've got to turn down that tv. please go ahead. these are the organizations that -- host: we will come back to you. hi, edith, in arkansas. admin volunteering just

about all my life, raising my children in pasadena, california. we volunteer with little league. team a teen mother -- mother. inoved back to arkansas 1992, i hooked up with my cousin who has a feeding mission. each month it's called feeding mission. we served over 800 people. deliver 50 plates to homes myself every two weeks. the second saturday of every month. i also volunteer to take people to the doctor. if they need to go to little minutesere about 90

from eagle rock. -- little rock. to do something for somebody and when we had fulld the people, they are of joy and have no one to come in and cook for them on saturdays and sometimes i have a lady who is 100 years old, i take her plate, she wants me to pray for her. it's a fulfillment in my life. if you were not doing those things and there was a government agency that did those things for you, would that be good? caller: no. need to learn how to volunteer. other.here to help each

we have government agents that feed people. that's an everyday thing. but on saturday they do not take these people food. i go into the peoples that are shut in and sick. this is what we as individuals should be doing. guest: edith, thanks for your volunteering. i have some good news. ushave research that tells if you volunteer, you live longer and happier. thank you for volunteering. elizabeth boris, this tweet from matt smith.

are you familiar with that book? guest: yes. this kind of social capital -- his term -- that we gain through being involved really ,romotes a healthy democracy and healthy economy because it builds trust. when's a lot going for us we think about the benefits of volunteering for our community. volunteering is not changing in the long term. it talks about change. volunteeringic went down a little bit in the to 2009.ession, 2007

it's getting back to where it was. i'm really encouraged by the millennial data going up. 9/11 created a surge in volunteering. we are at a steady state. the giving is that a steady- state, 2% of gdp. more volunteering leads to more giving. those things just go together. host: marjorie in washington, d.c. caller: good morning. thank you so much. wouldhoping this group get folks to volunteer to build .omes i understand they do a lot of

work for raising money. volunteers, you can volunteer making $12 an hour, and that is what d.c. likes to pay its people. when these retire, some of them may receive $2 a month in their social security check. i don't think people just sit around for nothing and when the retirement comes they don't get benefits. if this group really wants to appears to meit what they're doing is blocking people from getting a job. group claims, that money should be used -- guest: let me go to your

comment. housing is so important. , one of thehumanity largest homebuilders in america don't by volunteers and partnerships with local organizations on the ground -- 575 our miracle members, recruited 260,000 volunteers. you have addressed a very important need, and volunteers on the private sector can come together and provide housing for families who need extra help. host: elizabeth boris, this tweet host: do federal programs use

volunteers? guest: i'm not sure directly federal programs using volunteers, but for example, they facilitate volunteers. think about cleaning up rivers or streams. many times parts are government parks, but nonprofit organizations, environmental organizations will get the community together to clean up by park because the park service doesn't have all the ability to pay paid workers to do the work. the reality, going back to the last question, is that our volunteers supplement and leverage the resources that government is able to put in programs. there is never enough money to do all the things that need to be done to have a high quality of life. individuals can help that. host: john is coming from alexandria, virginia. caller: good morning, ladies. thank you for everything you do. it is wonderful, the research

you are doing. i thought that recent twitter question about the robert putnam question was on the spot. i like that but then i was going to ask that. thelunteer, i'm a member of order of the purple heart's. we are committed to volunteering in the community. we have historically been more focused on veterans-type fall into activities, whether it -- veterans-type college activities, whether it be helping the v.a. and other s groups. we are trying to volunteer on the community with all types of , anyway people could be interested -- feeding the homeless, working on adult literacy along those lines. a question for you, ladies -- again, i thank you for what you're doing -- could you please tell me if you thought of

targeting the veterans community? we have a massive group of people who have omitted themselves to service overseas -- committed themselves to service overseas. how do we best get those individuals and target them to expand the service to our community -- host: all right, john, we got the point. thank you. guest: john, thank you for your service you are doing for various men and women who are sacrificing their lives for their freedom and our country. one way is helping sections of the military families to volunteer as well. we have 26,000 veterans who are currently serving with us in americorps, senior corps members, but we are also serving .eterans we have priorities and one of those is serving military veterans and families. those who haven,

parents deployed, they need help. we need to reach out and i thank you for doing that as well. it is a big priority for us, serving veterans and military families. host: elizabeth, political s, are they volunteer included in these stats? guest: that is an interesting question. i know there are civic activities -- host: any volunteers for our campaign, wendy spencer? when you ask questions about volunteering, it means different things to different people. certainly advocating for your favorite politician -- people volunteer for that. host: that would be included in these figures here? guest: anything they do serving their community that is unpaid. host: lansing, michigan.

go ahead. caller: hi. so i had a question, but i have been valid turn since i was a little girl. my mother made us go volunteer , just to have a sense of respect for people who may need something. i'm also a girl scout troop leader, i volunteer at senior centers, soup kitchens, in the local detroit area. and also behind the scenes, i am in americorps alumni. i work for the michigan community service commission also. going back to the whole government question, how do you link gauge local government and corporations deserve -- how do you engage local government and corporations to serve? host: thank you. guest: thank you for being with americorps, too. this is the 20th anniversary of

americorps so we celebrate all year. when i was in government in florida, governors followed up with other governors and it was a policy of volunteering. agencies toll the promote volunteering and said that every employee could have one hour off per week to volunteer while they were a state employee. and of the city governments county governments in the private sector followed suit when this occurred. and is one way that leaders government can encourage volunteering among employees. host: we are out of time, but here are the trends. volunteering in 2012, 60 4.5 million 4, one in american adults. 7.9 billion hours volunteered in 2012. b. billion with a spencer, and elizabeth

boris is with the urban institute reaches the rent -- she is the director of the for nonprofits and plantar putrid we will open up the phones for any issue you want to talk about. host: it is an open phone segment. we will look at the newspapers and the articles we haven't gotten to yet today. if you have a public policy issue, one that we discussed this morning, or another one you want to bring up, go ahead and start dialing in. the president is speaking on 11:00 a.m. eastern time at the department of justice this morning on nsa surveillance reform.

we will bringing that to you live on c-span, c-span radio, as well as cspan.org. i don't know if you are watching yesterday, but there was quite a hearing on capitol hill about the health care website. representative michael burgess emmer republican of texas, had a -a-tete with the head of the centers for medicaid services, gary cohen. here is a little bit of that. [video clip] coming you know i am going to bring this up. i ask you a yes or no question come will be ready this year. you said consumers would be ready to go online and get a determination of what tax subsidies they are eligible for, they will be able to look at the plans that are available where they live, they will be able to see the premium net subsidy they will have to pay and it will be

able to choose a plan and get enrolled in coverage beginning october 1. you recall that exchange? >> i recall it very well. >> knowing what you know now, would you like to revise the answer in any way? >> clearly, it was on, but it was also what i believe and what i understood based on what i have been told -- i would like to answer your question, if you would permit me. asked i was going to be that question when i came here on september 1990 they was close to october 1 and i was careful to get a thorough briefing from the people responsible for overseeing the build of the website and the answer i gave you was exactly what they told me our functionality would be on october 1. >> who told you that exactly? you heard me say before and i will continue to say it in the future -- i simply don't understand why no one has been held accountable for an ever thategregious. -- error

egregious. if i were you, i would've fired someone under me and that would have been in october. if i were the secretary, i would have fired you and that would have been in october. if i were the president, i would be so mortified and embarrassed by what has been the disaster of my signature piece of legislation signed into law, i would fire the whole lot of you. now -- >> is that it happened -- >> why should we believe you now when nothing you said over the past year, year and a half, has been accurate? >> because the site is working, congressman. if we had all been fired -- thet is not been built on backend, provider payments are not flowing, the subsidies that are supposed to go to the insurance companies they tell me are coming as a result of a paper process, having to be entered by hand. -- this thingis is a disaster. >> "washington journal"

continues. host: 20 minutes left in "washington journal." if you want to call in are going to put those numbers on the screen in case you didn't catch them when we read them out loud. want to go through some of the papers and articles that are making news today. this cannot early this morning. -- this came out early this month. tom coburn won't serve the rest of his term. actually came out last night. coburnatement, "senator stated he is battling a serious recurrence of cancer and said he would continue to fight for his priorities during the remainder of his time in office. he intends to step down after 2014 even though he is not up for reelection." he chose not to go for reelection but his term would've lasted until 2016. this is from "the hill" newspaper this morning.

senator harry reid is the newest supporter of medical marijuana. he has a knowledge that his position has changed over time. that his acknowledged position as change over time. the senate approved the $1.1 trillion spending bill. the vote was 72-26. the house had already cleared it. this will fund the government through next september. no more budget wars until at least next september. the next issue will be the debt limit, which will come up in early february. read story in "the washington post" is from an interview they -- there. "maliki asks u.s. for more weapons." "u.s. officials said it might be easy to deliver those weapons, which include assault rifles and artillery, to baghdad soon."

every monday night for the last several months and 9:00 p.m. it has been c-span's "first ladies" series. we have been going through all the first ladies, beginning with martha washington and going to michelle obama. this coming monday is a look at barbara bush. it is a 90-minute program and will look at her life and image. c-span went to houston and sat down for an hour long conversation with her. one of the things she had to say making a lot of ms. this morning. -- has been making a lot of news this morning. bit.s been tweeted out a here's what she had to say about

whether there should be another bush in the white house. [video clip] i think this is a great country and if we can't find more than a 2 or 3 families to run for high office, that is silly. there are great governors and great eligible people to run. clintons, bushes, there are just more families than that. i'm not arrogant enough to think ng -- wealone are raisi are raising public servants, whether they are feeding the lauren is, with 68 million children around the world, or barbara, who is bringing global health to the world, or pierce, who was working for the brothers big sisters -- big brothers big sisters. there are a lot of ways to serve

and being president is not the only one. i would hope that someone else would run, although no question in my mind that jeb is the best qualified person to run for president. but i hope you won't. thatnk you will get all she will get all his brothers -- -- i think you will get all my enemies, all his brothers'. and there are other families. host: and after that segment of the interview, which will be seen monday night, aired, her son jeb bush sent this tweet out. host: again, barbara bush, this coming monday night at nine a p.m. p.m. -- at 9:00 the president will be speaking at 11:00 a.m. at the department of justice doing nsa

surveillance reform speech. that will be like t -- live on c-span at 11:00, live on c-span radio, live at cspan.org. politico has this article about nsa reform. "public remains all over the map on nsa tactics." " president barack obama isn't the only one struggling to balance national security and civil liberties with the country's post-9/11 surveillance programs. the public can't make up its mind you do. -- either. many may be fine handing over their personal data, but they are not sure what to make of the secret government operations gobbling up their rock telephone records and e-mails sent to foreigners abroad. that mixed message makes it all the more difficult for politicians to coalesce around policy. publicone hand, recent opinion polls show a willingness among the public to accept trade-offs in privacy that means stopping the bad guys.

on the other, most would rather -- rather it be someone else who gets swept up in the dragnet." san diego, good morning to you. caller: good morning. i would just like to say about this nsa stuff and the drones, i feel they should be gotten rid because privacy is very important to most people, and it is against the law to spy on an individual or his family without their permission. host: thank you, sir. lou from florida on our republican line. morning,es, good peter. thank you for taking my call. i just pray for this country that we respect each other more and that the congress works together to solve our deficit and hopefullyms

put more people back to work. thank you so much for taking my call. i appreciate it very much. host: matt from maryland, what is on your mind this morning? caller: 2 points. one is the health-care law. it seems to be a lot of political heat back and forth screwing itmocrats up and republicans enjoying it. i would like to see them work together and work out the fine points of the law and get it going. i am an independent and there is a ton of points about the law that is going good. with the nsa thing, people forget that they are taking data from google, yahoo!, from your phone companies. there is no guarantee of privacy to begin with. data that they are taking. they are taking data from other

companies, which is clearly legal. the internet and don't use facebook could they sell a data to private companies for millions of dollars a year. people forget that. host: what kind of work do you do? caller: i'm currently in law school, graduating this semester. host: what law school are you going to? caller: university of maryland. host: this is your last year of law school? caller: yep. host: good luck to you. caller: thank you. host: john is calling from herndon, virginia, another caller in the suburbs. caller: thank you for taking my call. host: we're listening, sir. caller: first of all, that is a good interview with barbara bush and i wish her long health ,ecause she is a great mother and i agree with what she said that this country cannot only be bush family. my question is, we are getting tired of politicians who always

attacked and in order to solve the problem of the country, every time that we turn on c-span, we see a lawmaker insulting somebody who was working on obamacare. i think the 2 callers earlier mentioned one thing. when they say enough is enough, this obamacare is the law of the country. they can get things done and whenever they can work it out and the rest they can work out differently. rather than every time there is a secretary of health shows up, all she gets is insults and attacks. this country can do better. i'm an immigrant who came and i see right now the way things are going. it goes back where i grew up, that attack mode is not going to work for the country. we need to work out our differences and grow up. host: all right, thank you.

from "the wall street journal" this morning, "gop readies new immigration plan." "house republican leaders are ready to endorse legal status for 11 million people living in the u.s. illegally, a step that could jump start the moribund immigration debate. as early as next week, house speaker john boehner and other gop leaders will be releasing a one-page set of principles outlining how they hope to overhaul the immigration system, people familiar with their plans say. it will stop short of offering the path to citizenship offered -- endorsed by the senate but represents a major step towards what immigration advocates and democrats have long sought." that is from "the wall street journal." this is in "usa today." "obama faces criticism ahead of nsa speech." obama wades into treacherous waters when he delivers his address on nsa

surveillance to already the knives are out on both sides. privacy activists worry he won't go far enough to curtail government snooping. conservative national security experts won him to reject all ruminations for change. a member of obama's own review panel is exposing disappointments over reports that he will reject one of the key recognitions." a little take on the president's speech today at 11:00 a.m. at the department of justice. it will be live on c-span. i want to show you the front page of the "l.a. times" and this rather dramatic picture could these are the fires over southern california. just thought you might be interested in seeing a rather dramatic picture of downtown l.a. robert in ohio, republican line. hi, robert. morning, this is robert. i want to talk about the unemployment extensions. i just wish these 2 parties thed get together and help

over one million people that are unemployed. that unemployed men check is what is keeping these people afloat. i worked in the automotive andness and got laid off i'm getting out there in age and it is hard to find a job. daily -- resume without resumes -- put out resu mes daily. it seems with the bailout the government did not invest in people coming in invested in technology and equipment, and it seems more people lost their jobs when all the money was used. this unemployment is keeping people afloat. host: robert, how long have you been unemployed? caller: i just finished up my first tier. host: what does that mean, "tier"? caller: it is 26 weeks in ohio, and then they have 4 tiers, and

i think the first is 14 more weeks, and then ran out at the end of the year. as of the 28th, i'm no longer collecting anything. it is hard to find anything. host: how long were you employed by one of the major auto company -- were you employed by one of the major auto companies, a supplier? caller: i had 25 years at one place and then i transferred to another place and had about seven or eight years there. host: how old are you? caller: i am 62. decided to start social security early or are you ?eady to go back to work calle : caller: i'm ready to go back to work. social security is great and i hope i can hold off until 65 and i get to full retirement. it helps to get something to just stay looking. wrote tieryou

congressman or call their crimes and's office, who is congressman and will was the response -- call your congressman's office, who is your congressman and what was the response? caller: i'm not sure of his name right now. this is from "the washington times." administration's ballyhooed david to asia is running into some frank talk from the u.s. commander in the pacific. three years after the pentagon says it was deemphasizing europe in favor of the asia-pacific region, the navy admiral said that u.s. dominance has weakened in the shadow of a more aggressive china. 'our historic dominance that most of us in this room have enjoyed is diminishing, no locklear saidiral wednesday at a naval conference in virginia." if you're interested in reading more of that in "the washington times" this morning.

christiee hill," " continues to top gop field in a new hampshire." "12% said they would support governor jeb bush, and senator rand paul got called percent. another 11% said they would like to see mike huckabee as their ."minee rhodeis calling from island. caller: the public has to be more realistic that there is terrorism, their marathon bombing, stuff like that. i don't know if there is any maybetions against somebody who committed a crime .ot related to terrorism i think they should just

investigate terrorists and not implicate anybody for anything else set on the telephone. i think we need it. it has to be realistic. they are out there. but i don't think there should be such a broad spectrum, but i think we still need the protection as far as investigating whatever means necessary to get leads on terrorism and knit them in the nip them in the bud. i think the public is not realistic about it. it is out there and how to deal with it is another issue. this evening, another live event on c-span. this will be on c-span2, actually. it is robert gates talking about ," in conversation with a reporter from "the philadelphia inquirer."

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you can watch that also online today will be a three-day weekend on american history tv because of the martin luther king holiday. "usa today" this morning, their lead story is that up to 48,000 afghan, iraq vets are homeless. nearly 40,000 iraqi and afghanistan veterans for either homeless or in a federal program aimed at keeping them off the streets during 2013, almost 2011, the number in according to numbers released by the department of veterans affairs." want to thank everyone for being with us on "washington journal" seven days a week could ever -- everybody will be back tomorrow at 7:00 a.m. for more conversation. enjoy your weekend. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute]

>> join us in just about one hour for remarks from president obama on proposed changes to government surveillance programs , specifically from the national security agency. he will speak at the justice department, and you can see that live right here on c-span at 11:00 eastern. later this afternoon, the brookings institution hosted a discussion on the president's remarks with a former cia analyst and bush -- british defense official could we will have that live at 2:00 p.m., also here on c-span. we got a preview of the president's speech earlier today. let's take a look.