soccer or against watching soccer on television. so nobody is safe. iran is not safe because sunni, some radical sunnis are picking bones with iran. the emirates will not be safe because, i don't know, hezbollah hezbollah will pick it on with it. nobody is safe anymore. specifically, folks who have , theenous forces algerians, begin russians, whoever, people in africa, s, whoever hasyan these radical forces has personnel to target these events. finally, russia has a systemic muslims who local are increasingly radicalized. i was talking to the current president, nominated president, -- theortant president

appointed president of dagestan. i chatted with him in september. dagestan is an autonomous republic next to chechnya. i said, what is the percentage supportpopulation who afi ideology? not the suffi ideology which can coexist with a lot of the racism that is prevalent in russia? he said, 25% to 30%. i looked at the research and it is 25% to 30%. it is a huge number. if you take the population of the north caucasus at 8 million and add to it the diasporas in russian cities, that is probably another 4 million or 5 million. -- that ising at 13%

over 4 million. i am not saying all these people are potential terrorists but gete is a percentage who recruited and brainwashed. that technology is there. isolate himerson, or her, brainwashed, show them videos, explain to them why sacrificing your life in the path of jihad is a good thing and, bingo. unfortunately, that is it. what i consider is that russia has hundreds of thousands of potential recruits like that. they have to be very careful. as they are going to a big world soccer championship in 2018 and any other events, this is a test. if they pass the sochi test, there is a hope that other events like that can be conducted safely in the russian federation.

if, god forbid, something happens, they need to seriously reassess. the current finger-pointing, the anti-american propaganda -- we saw an 84 minute film on channel one just two days ago which is viciously anti-american -- that has to stop. they need to understand that ,hey are after all the rhetoric a part of the same civilization that is threatened by these evildoers. they need to understand that there is much more upside in cooperating with us, with europeans, with israelis, with indians, with chinese, then to point things -- point fingers and say that we are somehow supportive of this disgusting terrorist threat. with that, i will finish. thank you very much. [applause] much.nk you very

on --going to call please. >> thank you for inviting me and for organizing this event. my colleagues who started to talk about their background and what they used to do with their work. from the law library of congress. , 60% in3 million books foreign languages. even more, we have american attorneys who had training in foreign countries who can interpret those books. they can explain to american legislators and the american public how to resolve the problem according to laws of a foreign country.

i am covering russia and i am the legal specialist for this jurisdiction. talk abouttart my the legal framework. everything that i will say will be on my own. i will not make the library responsible for what i am talking about here. before we start to talk about ,he lessons learned from munich i have to say that in order to be a good learner, you have to define terms. you have to come to the definitions. there is a confusion, how different terms are understood. example, -- [indiscernible] they promised to have the most

impressive games and they were the most expensive. they promised to have the most secure games and the games are probably the most regulated in regard to that they hate your of athletes, spectators, journalists. laws, and -- current i will talk about pre-major regulations, which control who is coming to the games, what people are doing there, how they have behaved there, what they can say they're. it is not enough to buy a ticket to go to the games. in order to attend an event, you have to get a special spectator's pass. past, peopleet the have to submit copies of their entry tickets and a special application and a lot of personal information. nobody can be sure that they will get this pass.

everyone is required to have a special badge. reports that people who are somehow involved in different opposition-related activities -- they didn't come to sochi. to get somebody was able a spectator's pass and come to sochi, there is so-called regulation 1156 which was passed in december, which is called rules of spectators behavior. defines what they can say, how they will express support to their team. bigger than 16 inches in any dimension cannot be brought. the regulation defines how spectators -- what kind of close they can wear or not wear in order to attend an event. what kind of food they can take,

what goals are prohibited there, and especially it says that music equipment cannot be taken unless special permission was received. in order to receive permission, they need to submit again an application two days in advance. get a special designated place on the stands and the person who will be allowed to keep this equipment will be defined. -- [indiscernible] there are special provisions

regarding benefits. nothing can be longer than two yards. inscriptions and messages on banners should be in russian language or translated into russian. it is not enough just to translate. it doesn't matter that u.s. team doesn't understand russian. you have to translate and make an official notarized certificate that your translation is exactly what you want -- what message you want to submit. requirementpecial that all flags should be fireproof. the fireproof sick to pick it needs to be -- certificate needs to be present also. otherwise the person will be removed from the stands. because of all these restrictions, somebody will decide not to go to the games and will send something to his friends that went to sochi, it is also not too easy.

there is a special regulation. all mail sent to sochi should be unsealed. chobani yogurt was not allowed to be received by american athletes because of some postal service regulations. i would say many of the regulations are in violation of original russian laws. but they were passed. recently there was an article saying that there is a deafening silence and sochi in regard to political protest, political statement. it is obvious why it happens. last august, putin issued a special decree which prohibited all non-olympics related gatherings in sochi and all neighboring territories until march.

amendedhe decree was and a special area was designated about 10 miles away from sochi for conducting protest events. lawhe same time, russian was not revoked which allows people to conduct civil protests. police strongly persecute such events and you can see again the report that people were detained for doing such type of activities. there is a regulation which was passed last november which regulates -- and sochi. drones, it is, probably another reason why you

can hear the deafening silence in the region. probably you read the report that all reporters of our nbc team -- [indiscernible] because there was a regulation on specifics of providing communication services in sochi. authorizesegulation .ollection of data and metadata a regulation specifies that all subject to said control. according to regulation, all records of connections sending shall be recorded in a

special database. kept for thell be 24/7three years, allowing access to the russian federal security service. two major russian investigative journalists reported about this system. what was the response of the russian government? the official russian government website, voice of russia, published a statement saying, don't be scared of phone tapping during sochi. it is for your own safety. maybe it is for safety. to what degree? its ownoesn't have

federal intelligence -- who will monitor use of this data? the russian supreme court two years ago issued guidance that said that all metadata collected in regard to electronic communications should be considered personal private information. in the case of sochi, it is not done. games -- nothing happened yet, hopefully nothing will happen until the end. that measuressure which were undertaken by the russian government are within the legal field and the security is not becoming abused or misuse of personal rights.

who areection of those protected is another question. thank you. [applause] >> thank you again, peter. we are going to our next speaker. he spoke at our evidence before. well, again. >> thank you. i keep asking dr. alexander, why did you keep ticking me to come back? >> i will tell you. first of all, loyalty to the academic work. indicatertantly, to that the university really sponsors areas of interest to the society.

when we talk about sports, we have to deal with security as well. not only on that list but also the audience and participants. it is all yours. >> i am always honored to come back. after hearing all the speakers prior to may, i have this sense of fear to come up here and share with you that our students go to the olympics every year and i am happy to say they are back today. i can talk about this a little more freely. they go and they experience all the olympic movement from a sponsorship, a marketing standpoint, a security standpoint which we never used to cover. they get to meet with ceo's from different sponsors and vendors. , but i wonderful program remember my students talking a couple weeks ago -- did you contact the state department? we have to get our names in. i remember 15 years ago when we

were taking the students, that wasn't even a discussion. what has happened in my own personal class i have been teaching since 1996 or something i never used to even cover security. most of my class was antitrust laws, contract and so forth in the sports arena. "s" thats the closest we came to from a security standpoint. now, i coteach one of my classes with another professor at gw who is retiring. he was also in the military. he teaches in the risk management side of the engineering department at gw. asked me 15 have years ago, would i ever really focus one of my 16 classes on security and risk management, i

probably would have said, are you kidding me? antitrust is the most important thing that is going on. without further ado, i want to cover various things that i would tell my students in my class. one of the things -- i am going to focus on five things, just so everyone knows. the safety act, which we talked about last time. the international security events group, which tom mentioned. the ic sf, an organization in qatar which we will talk about a little bit. happening in sochi with our students and the athletes and so forth. then, what does this mean for future games? when i teach, i basically tell my students, this is all the president and the current that is going to be up to you to figure out where we are going in the future.

i am hoping i am long retired very soon. i am pushing them to the the creative ones. let's talk about the homeland security act of 2002 where they really began to build this. i am going to read it because it is a very long title. i thought they had acronyms that were long until i got into the terrorism world of acronyms. the support anti-terrorism by fostering effective technologies act of 2002. it is also known as the safety act. we will stick to that. easy enough. this act was really passed by to protectbviously from anti-terrorism, but it was more about fostering technologies in the anti-terrorism community. to really foster development of technologies.

what companies are going to get in and really develop the r&d that is needed for these technologies that facilities need and so forth, if they know they are going to be sued if it fails? the act basically creates an immunity for the technology companies to come into the foreplay and begin developing really unique facility technologies. -- to seee first team if you were paying attention last year. who was the first team that ever got certified under the safety act? the new york yankees. should not surprise you. george is probably looking down and saying, of course. we are always the first in everything. the yankees got a certificate act -- a certificate under the

safety act which actually expires in 2017. what this does is, it promotes the creation and deployment of anti-terrorism technologies in their facilities. in their case, they own their facility but don't be full. there are some stadiums that aren't owned by the team. they are rented for a dollar in exchange for tax breaks and so forth. you have to know who owns the facility and is this safety act certificate worthwhile. there is a cost to it. the cost is deploying all these technologies on a yearly basis. they have to keep them updated. they have to report in to homeland security and every so many years, they have to renew. there is another side to it that is sort of fascinating. once they get certified, their insurance premiums go down. i would love to see the cost of

certification and implementing those technologies to how much their insurance goes down. why did their insurance go down? now, they are immune from a lawsuit if a terrorist attack should happen in their facility. the patrons, the vendors, the sponsors, cannot sue. i know tom is ready to jump in. you are going to know much more about this than me. i was a little bit shocked when the yankees were one of the first. i kind of felt the act was really for the technology to be immune. sports always jumps and if there is something advantageous. we are all about winning at any cost. since then, there has been other sports and cities that have gotten -- entities that have gotten certificates under the safety act. under thehich comes queens ballpark authority. it is designed to medicate act of terrorism at citi field.

interestingly enough, it doesn't only cover the evidence that are associated with the mets. it covers all the events that are at that facility. that means non-season special events, concerts and so forth. also hires and trains their employees and their independent contractors to maintain that certificate. not to be outdone by the mets, across the water, the new stadium is also certified under the safety act. game days, nongame days and special events. you all know the super bowl took place there. they were protected as well. major league baseball, also took out a certificate for the stadium in kansas city which involved the all-star event for 2013.

the national football league should not be outdone. the nfl puts together guidelines, standards and credentials that the facilities and team owners need to adhere to. the teams and the facilities need to get separate certificates. the nfl has their certificate to cover things like the super bowl or the super bowl events that as, evenit as well down to the parking lot at a facility. securityas this evaluation and compliance they then educate the security teams at each facility of each team. what does this mean? is this the only way that teams are protecting themselves? well, we have got some traditional ways. a ticket waiver.

every time you turn around your ticket, you see a waiver. even act of terrorism is now in the waiver. it didn't used to be. you are waiving your right to sue that particular team or facility. federal oray is just state immunity. immunity has existed for federal and state entities -- like i said, a lot of stadiums are owned by the state and not necessarily the team. there is some immunity as well there. lastly, you can't forget just traditional workers comp insurance and how the workers are protected versus the vendors and the independent contractors. you try to push the liability over to the vendors and the ic's. wrapping that up, i think there

is going to be more and more facilities and teams being certified under this safety act. last year, i came with one. this year, i have got i think six or seven. maybe by next year, i will have about 20 more. let's go onto a little bit of what tom was talking about, the international security evidence group. is it called isag? >> i didn't really mention it. right, so it is a group that has gotten together. it is under the homeland security group. it is basically 20 or so agencies that get together and this cost main evidence -- discuss main events. it is not about the olympics. it is about any event that aggregates a large crowd that could be attractive,

particularly if the media is going to provide a stage for their act. this isag group coordinates things like credentials, travel warnings which you all heard regarding sochi, evacuation here, if we have an event how are these is going to be processed? at thend of estimated about $16taly, it was million spent in security through the isag group. that is quite a bit. i do agree that the winter games does not attract as much as the summer games do. to be honest with you, the summer games have a lot more athletes. i represented the women's soccer players, the women's softball players. it was in 1996.

there was no security. i got in too many events without tickets. today, that wouldn't be the case at all. the world has changed. icsf.bout the if we can just look at their csf, i got to i know after i spoke last year. i was introduced to this group. i was like, what do you do? they are the international center for security, safety and integrity in sport. i have gotten to know the lead people and they are opening an office here in bc. the gentleman that founded it is mohammed hanzab and basically they want to be the global meeting hub for safety, security and integrity. it is easy to think about

security because we have been talking about it today. how does safety play a role? qatar so it is sort of off the beaten path. they have clearly funded this to a considerable amount. security, easy. safety, we are talking about maybe concussions that have been in the news quite a bit and where that is going to lead for different sports, particularly in soccer which is a global sports. very few people watch nfl even though in this country it is the biggest thing. the other thing, integrity, i into, what is integrity in sports? i would love to hear what the panel has to say. it interjects into security a little bit. it talks about price-fixing and the integrity of the pureness of the sport.

why i think that connects a little is that the individuals that are paying off in the tobling and the price fixing throw a card at a soccer game or pay off a ref because there is a gamble that is going to pay off, a lot of times those same individuals are also involved in the terrorism side. i see that as a joint area that maybe hasn't been mentioned, but should be considered going forward. if integrity of sports is hampered, people will not go to watch a game. people go to games because of the unknown factor and the fairness. that we keepl integrity within our sports. otherwise, viewership will decline and participation will decline. the other thing that has been mentioned is, what about the

sochi games themselves? i know peter talked about a lot of things that i had no idea -- all these rules and regulations. i used to say, by the time to read all the rules and regulations, the games will be done. we can't forget about the paralympic games. even though there is three days left of the olympic games, i represented paralympic athletes and i never like to forget them. they are just as important or slightly more important to me in many ways. forhe process of bidding the games, there is different sections in the process. there is one section which is called, stage one. in that section, it absolutely mandates that the hosting country guarantees, makes to guarantees. one of it is to the higher st government authority is going to oversee the safety and

peaceful sell a version of the olympic games and paralympic games. there are other things that come into factor. whether it is customs, immigration, the weather is also considered, finance, marketing, sports. obviously, those guarantees are important. what does that mean? ioceans in this case, the required russia to create a separate entity, sort of a committee. it was an olympic security committee. this coordination center, this hub was going to the establishing the security plan and delivering it. this interagency operational fsb, theers had the federal security service was a lead agency. the interior which would be the police ministry, the emergency ministry, the defense ministry and other bodies.

what did that come down to? it was reported that there was 100,000 troops, vehicles, aircraft and so forth in sochi. rumbles have said that there were much more than what were reported. what is the u.s. doing? the u.s. wants to get the athletes over there and home safely. what is interesting, that has evolved in the last few years, is national governing bodies of each sport have begun to hire their own security teams. the is so important because fors have never budgeted that type of private security. ski andple, the snowboard, they hired a company called global rescue. when we take a step back and think about the national

governing bodies that don't have to protect their athletes, doesn't mean the athletes may consider or the agents might consider providing some private protection? the nhl sent their own security team for the nhl players. usually, the leagues have former fbi individuals running their security teams. they are in good hands. what about curling, bobsled, luge and all those other people? we have to think about how we are going to reinvent. to create an going insurance pool where they would hire a security company at a much better rate than doing it individually? these are things that i want my students to think about going forward. is this an area they are

interested in and they can be in the forefront? lastly, what is the future of the games? member, france sued ssc when carter boycotted the games in the 70's. the court basically said, it is a privilege to perform at the games and not a right. therefore, she lost her case. she sits on the board of the ioc so i don't think she lost too much. i think what is more important about it is, the athletes, if we boycott the games for any reason for safety purposes, we say we are not going to send a contingency over, if the athletes would sue, we have some precedent law that states it is a privilege, not a right. what does it mean for d.c. and baltimore? we are looking at bidding for a summer games. that will be critical because the security alone in a

non--d.c. area is massive. can you imagine the security we would need here and what kind of budget we would need? look for that bit and that discussion may be a couple years. we can talk about it if they formally submit their bid. what is the best place in the country? i think that is something that is going to be considered as well. where is the best place in the country that we can have a secure location? i think you talk was fairly simple -- utah was fairly simple. d.c., baltimore and richmond would be massive. we might have to bring tom out of retirement to do those three areas. [laughter] as long as i come with you, i am good to go. obviously, i talked about the national governing bodies. going to do,if's

the international federations like fifa, are they going to pool their resources as well is to mark -- as well? what are universities going to do? lastly, i would just say that we are glad our students came back and they are safe and sound. told us that we should not speak about security and terrorism while our students are over there. so i thank you for having it on the perfect today which is today and they came back yesterday. of course, one of the proudest things i can tell you is my next speaker is a former student of mine. someone was paying attention in my class. [applause] >> ok, all yours.

>> thank you, ellen. i am a former student of alan's. .pproximately -- ellen's approximately 18 years ago. i would like to give a little bit about my background. everyone else here today has spoken about their own background. i am a practicing lawyer. i also teach at george washington university. itg sports management class. of my practice on privacy and security issues. i deal a lot with digital crisis management and digital risk management. those are some issues that i think these past olympics have really brought about and several of our speakers today have focused on the physical aspects. peter spoke about some of the issues with the digital issues, especially the laws that have been put in place. what i'm going to try to do is talk about the role of the media along with the different social

and digital media issues that have come into play these past olympics. or the current olympics that are going on. i think that is helpful in understanding where our security concerns are currently and where they're going to be moving forward. i think youk back, have to first thing about the media's will in the 72 olympics in munich. that was the television age. you have to think about, the security issues were focused on, how do we protect this venue? no one really knew what was happening. we all know what happened in munich. 96,next biggest step was in atlanta. that was the cable age, especially with atlanta being the hub of ted turner's media empire. you have to think about the olympic in that aspect was focused on cable issues. 9/11 and another aspect of my background is that

i was down at the world trade center in the area and i became homeless because of the terrorist attacks. i saw the whole thing and took some photographs and ran for my life along with tens of thousands of other new yorkers. reallyrience that day gave me the impression and the knowledge about what some of the things that we all have to think about as practitioners as trying to protect ourselves. what are the possible things that could potentially happen on the ground for different types of events? to problem is that you have try to plan for the unexpected. i believe peter might have said something to the effect that the issues in greece with the amount of money that they spend was exorbitant and the u.s. may have been sounding the alarm. the thing is, i am glad they spend that type of money. even though some people come out

in say, we spend too much for security, my feeling is that you can never be too safe. i a parent of two children, never want them to have to experience those issues that i did on 9/11. i would never want to see anyone who participates at the olympics to ever experience the types of things that happened in munich and also in atlanta. as far as i am concerned, the amount of money that was spent at the olympics regarding security is very well spent and my hope is that there is more attention paid to the digital issues of the olympics. in my opinion, that is a growing threat that many of the people in this room are going to have to deal with.\ when you think about some of 2008,other issues -- in the beijing olympics, that was the first time we had the so-called social media age.

2012, they had the so-called social media olympics. that is when a lot of organizers started to think, how are we going to protect our athletes from saying dumb things online? --ides that, you have things you have people that want to do evil things that are posting videos on youtube about things they want to do at the olympics. you have these olympics in sochi where they are really called the surveillance olympics. we are at a point where we are trying to figure out, what is the best way to protect us? we have this big issue of privacy versus security. how much is too much? advocated forlly very strong privacy laws in this country. social media username and password laws have been and acted in about 14 states. i helped start that trend. however, i see how important it is to understand that you have

to give up some of your privacy to ensure that you have security. that is something that i think everyone in this room understands. unfortunately there are some groups that don't understand that as much. as well as we want to protect our olympians and those who attend the games, they are going to have to give up some of the privacy to ensure that they are secure in attending the games. good things will happen while they are at the games, meaning they will win olympic medals without having to worry about the overriding terrorist issues that are out there. those are some of the issues i want to talk about. since the hour is getting late, i'm going to be brief. i have a couple of slides that i would like to share with you. when i brought it up, digital surveillance, it was spoken approximatelythat $50 billion had been spent in

total for the olympics. how much of that is with digital surveillance? i just don't know. in the next couple of years, maybe some hard figures will come out. thatter said, everything is being done digitally in sochi is being collected. somebody is looking at it. programhas some kind of and i believe it does the same as our prism which came out in the documents that snowden leaked to the press last year. , that i types of issues believe are very important and something that we are only going to increase with the fact that everyone here is using one of these. how many people here have a cell phone? i believe everyone does if i am not mistaken. there was a really funny piece

that jerry seinfeld did on the tonight show where he talked about cell phones, how everyone is walking around with them. that is how it is at the olympics and every single sporting event these days. everyone has one of these. that is why we have to think about these issues collectively and try to figure out the best practices in trying to protect our athletes and protect the attendees and the people who are on the ground physically protecting those people at the olympics. next slide, please. those of you for active social media users, one thing i would recommend is that you have to understand what is going on out there. htags that has come into play is called sochi fail. there have been interesting things that have happened in sochi. one of the things which this shows is the pussy riot

bandmembers. i guess you could call them pussy rioters. they are just a rock band who was protesting against some of the human rights issues in russia, especially the anti-gay laws that are in place and some of the other issues and they were arrested. they were put in jail. yesterday, i believe it was, they came out and did some type facto performance and the cossacks came out and literally beat them up. those types of issues, it got a lot of press and it went viral. if you take -- go online and take a look at sochi fail, you will see everyone talking about that. what a lot of people need to realize is that when you make a big deal about something, especially in this day and age, it becomes a big deal.

if the russian security forces would have ignored this and let them come out and did their little dance and song, it wouldn't have made a big deal. i would not be talking about it here today and the entire world would not have covered the issue. it is not only that but there was other interesting issues. there was a bob's letter who got stuck -- bobsledder who got stuck in the bathroom and literally came out and barreled through the door. one of the other issues that popped up was in the beginning, there were two toilets next to each other. as far as privacy, there could be some argument whether or not that is a privacy security issue for this type of forum. anything you do in this day and age could end up online. that is what i was talking about. that you the issues have to understand when you have to understand when you're planning for the olympics.

you can't just prepare for physical security. you also have to keep in mind digital security. that is becoming more important when you're trying to figure out the best way to deploy your resources. next slide, please. it is something that i find very fascinating and i deal a lot with this with my different clients. about different types of security issues, for example, this deals with the boston marathon bombing. that tragic case that happened last year which i am pretty sure everyone here knows about. you have to think about, we have all this cool crowd sourcing information. everyone is posting photos online, taking a picture with one of these. how can we work together to try to find the so-called terrorists? that socialwas media can be used for good in that you can help with security

and hopefully try to find the bombers, but it also can be misinterpreted. unfortunately, because of some of the crowd sourcing, the new york post and some other different media outlets incorrectly named the wrong bombers. it is a double-edged sword. that is why you really need to think about how to handle these issues when we are dealing with large sporting events. especially with the olympics. my biggest take away from here is that i would hope everyone thinks more about these issues and tries to figure out the best way to not only protect our athletes and venues and various different attendees from physical issues out there, but also the digital issues. i really think that is something that we need to collectively think about. how to resolve on a national basis and internationally. thank you. [applause]

>> i think the panelists for your very profound insight. a course on each presentation. recommend that we open it up for some q and a because audience,ave in the people with very rich backgrounds in government service, and congress, and the academic community. why don't we try to take a couple questions and the panelists will have a chance to speak again. i know a few of the people had to leave. ellen has a -- class. any questions or comments?

yes sir, please identify yourself and speak -- do you have a mic over there? >> i will speak loudly. with the university and i would like to ask two quick questions. i guess the lady left who was talking about integrity. as you might know, in 9/11, corruption was a key player. gentlemen were able to access the airport using their drivers license. i would like to know more about the integrity issue and how corruption -- integrity is the opposite. the second question i had was, i would like to mirror -- to hear

more about the assad regime. againstve been threats the russians. if you could talk more about that. >> any panelists? >> there was a really good report i believe about a week ago with richard engel from nbc news where he showed -- i believe it was peter who talked about this -- if you access wi-fi, your cell phone or your computer is going to be hacked. i think that goes to show you that we really have to be thinking more about these issues. ornever our athletes travel whenever you travel on business, are you going to take your regular laptop or tablet or cell phone or are you going to take one that is totally clean and utilize it for your time being in that other venue or country? with my clients, i try to

recommend -- where are you going, what is the potential threat? from hackers or from other potential business competitors. them, maybe you shouldn't use your regular e-mail address while you're over there. maybe you should use a messaging app that is encrypted and that you believe will not be susceptible to being hacked. it is those types of things that we need to think about. >> definitely corruption is an issue. i addressed it as to how much money of this was stolen. nobody knows. it seems to me that the security system was organized in such a way that simple corruption, a lone wolf who was to corrupt a police officer in order to get to sochi, will not allow him to do that. aty have so many levels

which he would need to penetrate. andnitely, corruption access to information which was received by authorities from people who came to sochi is an issue. journalists said recently that and is good from this issue that the world now knows what russians are doing. not only nsa is looking. recently there was a hearing at the european parliament regarding this russian system. there are questions. well, you understand. >> ok. i was wondering, without

getting into sensitive issues if you could give us a flavor of the international cooperation. in cases like athens, there was geographic issues involved and barcelona --n, and >> maybe you are recalling the request for helicopters to move people, perhaps the u.s. provided some support in that regard. the point you make about international cooperation is certainly valid. there is always teams from the last olympics that provide lessons learned within government circles. i remember right after athens in

the summer of 2004, we took a from various national security agencies to italy to meet with our consul general in milan who was a senior representative for the turin olympics in 2006. we brought to her our initial first recollections -- first impressions on lessons learned from athens. this was two years before the winter games in turin. there is always that effort and that is part perhaps of the international security event group. when i was working in sydney, we chaired the counterterrorism office. by athens, it was a code share arrangement. since the time i left to go to the fbi, diplomatic security chairs the group itself. they are always going to be the body within the government

circles that captures those key lessons learned and shares them again within the u.s. government and also within our partner nations that we have arrangements with. that is certainly a healthy process that goes on. extensivey not see reports from these events, they are certainly there. i would say it has been a very successful process. it with thenage right expectations but understanding the nature of the threat, the fact that it is very unpredictable and yet you can't ever underestimate it in any country. it is very important that we share intelligence information between our nations and there is

that effort even between the u.s. and russia to share the information we have with one another so that no one is caught unawares. there is nothing more important than preventing terrorism. if we have issues between agencies, we need to put them aside to make sure that we know about any impending threats that are going on. that effort always goes on even when our nations may seem not to cooperate as well as we might like them to. as important as the olympics, i think we see that cooperation increased. >> my name is patrick murphy. putdo you think that putin the winter olympics in a summer resort area only a few hundred miles from dagestan? that must have worried all of you somewhat, the fact that it was so close to terrorist land.

>> again, remembering the seven-year window before the events are planned out or the venues are determined, seven years before hand. certainly, based on what dr. ohen said, the threat in that area were pervasive. i was kind of rooting for chicago to get the money 16 olympics. they ended up in brazil. since that time, we have scenes things in brazil that trouble us with soccer and other aspects, crime and such. that i don'ttors think anyone of us can fully understand. they come into play and there is certainly beyond my experience how those decisions are made. i am with you on some of those questions. >> any other -- yes? >> [indiscernible] what kind of role --

approximately 60 officers and embassies around the world, anywhere from one agent to a few agents providing liaison between the fbi and that host government service.

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