>> british prime minister david cameron taking questions from the members of the house of commons. after that, kentucky senator rand paul taking students -- taking questions from students of university of california at berkeley. >> on the next "washington .ournal," william golson then, fiscal times reporter -- brianna ehley.

we at the federal trade commission have a dual mission, which is to protect american consumers and promote competition. he do that in a couple of different ways. that we are a civil law enforcement agency. we bring lawsuits against companies who engage in unfair or deceptive acts or practices. we also engage in policy and to promote best practices and advocate for laws that we think are needed.

whatur specific question, i can tell you is that we are interested in protecting consumers when it comes to the noble because it -- noble ecosystem. noble entirety of the ecosystem. -- of the mobile ecosystem. that american consumers are protected and that there is a competitive landscape. the federal trade commission, monday on the communicators at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span two. wednesday, david cameron said the referendum in crimea was illegal. he warned that if russia continued to take further actions, more sanctions would be

put into place. the prime minister also answered questions about mental health care, unemployment figures, and childcare policy. this is just over 30 minutes >> questions to the prime minister. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i am sure the whole house will wish to join me in paying tribute to tony band who died last week. he made many speeches in this ofse and alongside a record public service, he was also a great writer, a great campaigner, no matter whether you agreed with his views or not. he will be missed by both sides of this house and our thoughts are with him and other members of his family at this time. i'm sure you also join me in paying tribute to the winter paralympic team, following a

great success at the sochi games. especially kenny gallagher who won our first ever gold medal at the winter paralympics and our most successful winter paralympic and with four medals. meetings.ng, i had >> mr. speaker, i'm sure the will agree with the remarks in congratulating the paralympic team. today, unemployment has fallen 63,000. long-term unemployed is also falling. this is evident where we have seen growth of the private sector continue.

does my right honorable friend agree that we must maintain this growth by continuing to tackle the deficit, support industry, and continue with our long-term conomic --? >> first of all, absolutely the link with the paralympic games. she is also absolutely right about these unemployment figures. they show unemployment going up, they show unemployment coming down. a record number of people in work in our country, a record number of women in our country , and a record number of youth employment, too. private sector employment has gone up by 118,000, public-sector unemployment has gone down by 13,000. 10,000 more jobs created in the private sector. the important thing is what it

means for britain's families. it means that millions of people have a chance at dignity and civility and security. i hope it will be welcomed across the house. >> mr. miller band. nd. r.miliba >> he will be remembered as a champion and a great parliamentarian who defended the rights of backbenchers against the executives. he spoke his mind and he spoke up for his values. everyone knew where he stood and what he stood for. our condolences go to his children and his family.

great -- he was someone of great decency. i also want to join the prime minister in paying tribute to the fantastic winter paralympic team for their great success in kelly in particular gallagher and jade everingham 10. . everingham he also shares my deep concern for the ukrainian servicemen were shot and killed at a military base in crimea yesterday. he's actually correct that the referendum in the crimea is illegitimate and illegal. together in 10 days and held at the point of a russian kalashnikov. this cannot be accepted or legitimized by the international community. we should be absolutely clear

about what has happened here. this is the annexation, effectively, one country's territory by another country. we must be absolutely clear about our interest, which is to see a rules-based international system or countries obey the rules. if we turn away from this crisis and don't act, we will pay a very high price in the longer term. we should be clear that this referendum is illegitimate. we must be clear that consequences must follow and we should work with our european partners and with united states , and strong, consistent robust response. >> i think the prime minister for that answer. i would like to ask him about the meetings that are coming up. white house has indicated that there sanctions will be expanded. i'm sure the whole house will support the idea that the travel ban will also be expanded. will be supporting wider economic trade sanctions on the russian federation.

>> as we discussed previously in the house, the european union set out some very clear triggers. we said that if the russians did not take heart in a contact group with the ukrainian government to take forward discussions, then asset freezes and travel bans should follow. placehave been put into on monday. i believe further actions on that front should be taken at councilpean administrators, which i will take part in on thursday. we should also respond to the fact of this annexation. we said if there were further action to destabilize ukraine and this annexation is that action, for the consequences need to follow. we need to set that out on thursday in concert with our european partners and at the same time we need to put down a very clear warning that if there was further destabilization, for instance going into the eastern ukraine in any way, then we would move to a position of the sorts of economic sanctions that we discussed in the house last

week. the prime minister knows that from the side of the house he will have our support for the toughest possible diplomatic and theomic measures given totally illegitimate actions that they have taken. i also welcome the announcement yesterday that the g7 allies will gather next week in the hague. it seems inconceivable that they could remain in the g-8. does the prime minister now agree that this meeting of the g-8 should go further and explicitly decide to suspend russia from the group of g-8 advanced economies? >> i was one of the first people to say that it was unthinkable for the g-8 to go ahead as planned. we one of the first countries to suspend all preparations for that g-8 and i strongly suspend the g7 -- and i strongly support the g7 meeting that will take place on monday. it is important we moved together with our allies and partners and i think we should be discussing whether or not to expel russia permanently from the g-8 if further steps are taken. that is the meeting we will have

on monday and i think it is the right way to proceed. to thei add my words support that must be given to tony band? he was a great demand. i work with one of his sons for several years on five policies. 2.7 million qualified people -- is the prime minister least with the abandonment of his intentions? what i'm sure we can agree on is that it has been an excellent move by a conservative chancellor in a coalition government to make sure that the first 10,000 pounds of income you earn you don't pay tax on. that benefits people's earnings all the way up to 100,000 pounds. that has worked so far that is

-- that is worth over 700 pounds to a typical income taxpayer. it is highly worthwhile. i'm looking forward to what the chancellor has to say. that gentleman aware that this week i have received from the palestinian friend and e-mail which tells me he -- the israelis have assassinated a friend in his house and another brother of a friend has been shot dead by the army? we have spent our time from one funeral to another. when the right honorable gentleman was in israel last week, did he raise with constant stream of killing of innocent palestinians by the israelis, and what is he going to do about it? >> i did not raise that specific case which the right honorable gentleman raises his in the house today, but i did raise with the prime minister the importance of how the israelis

behave in the west bank and elsewhere. i raised the issue of settlements, which i believe is unacceptable and needs to stop. i was also strongly supporting to findsraeli minister peace. there is a prospect now because americans are leading a set of talks that could lead to a framework document being agreed. i think it is in everyone's interest to put all the pressure to moven both parties forward. it would mean so much to ordinary israelis and ordinary palestinians and to the rest of us. has now fallen for the past 12 months from 4.9% to 3.8%. it was helped by resurgence in british manufacturing. compared to one .8 million manufacturing jobs lost under the previous labor government, what are prime minister agree with me that our long-term economic land is delivering to the north of england?

>> my honorable friend makes an important point, which is we want to have a balanced recovery. we want to see growth and employment met across the country. it is worth noting that since 2010, 80% of the rise in private sector employment has taken place outside london. the unemployment rate in the unemploymentll the rate in the west is lower than it is in london. we will do everything we can backing apprenticeship and backing industry to make sure that continues. a drug was given to women to determine pregnancy in the 60's and 70's. the potency was 18 times of the morning-after pill. as a result, thousands of babies are born with deformities. there's never been a public inquiry or compensation for the victims. will the prime minister

discussed this issue? lookwill be very happy to at the case the honorable lady mentions. clearly, this is an important issue. anyone who has had a disabled child knows the enormous important he of this issue -- the enormous importance of this issue. will my right honorable friend acknowledge that the benefits of economic recovery in my constituency are somewhat tempered by uncomfortable pressures on housing development and in adequate rail infrastructure? notwithstanding that these matters must be dealt with, is it not increasingly clear that there is a need to do more to stem the flow of -- the continuing floor population to the southeast by imaginative measures which will spread the benefits of recovery throughout all regions? >> i think my friend makes a point that we want a recovery, a

long-term economic land is working, and important part of that plan is infrastructure investment that we are making. obviously hs two is important in rebalancing between north and south. let's be clear that we are spending three times more on other transport schemes in the next parliament as we are on hs two. that includes projects like rail electrification's to bristol, nottingham, sheffield and others. all of this can make a difference and it is all part of our plan. >> mr. speaker, in recent days the country's leading mental health charities have joined together to give deep concerns about mental health services. the impact on those who experience mental health problem's, there families and our country. as the prime minister agree with me that mental health should have equal irt with physical health in our health care system? agree with the right

honorable gentleman about the debate that took place in this house. a number of honorable members took some very brave and bold .teps i thought those incredibly brave and right thing to do. terms of whether mental health should aperitif with other forms of health care, yes it should. we have legislated to make that the case. >> let me ask about some specifics that would suggest we're moving away from an equal footing that we both want to see. mental health chair of the nhs budget is falling. services are being squeezed, there are few mental health feds and more young people are being treated in adult psychiatric wards. this is not just bad for the but forals concerned, the future. as a prime minister agree that this really shouldn't be happening? >> obviously, we have decided to increase health spending rather than reduce health spending. health spending is not 12.7 building across his parliament.

we have legislated parity. we have also put in place proper waiting times and disciplines, things like mental health therapies that weren't there before. there is still further to go. we need commissioners to really focus on the importance of mental health services, but the money is there, the legal priority is there, we need health service to respond. >> the problem is, the mental health budget has fallen for the first time in a decade. it is not getting the share of money that it needs. i would urge him to look at the specifics. we need to ensure that the consensus in this house is reflected in the daily decisions being made up and out the country -- up and down the country in mental health service. will the prime minister agree to enshrine equality for mental health in the nhs constitution in order to send a mission -- a message to decision-makers to they get better

access to treatment and care they need? the point i would make is these. we have put 400 million pounds into the talking therapies, which i think is very important in terms of mental health provision. mental health provision is reference very clearly in the mandate which is given to nhs documentwhich is a key in terms of the health service. he's apt is -- is absolutely right to say that the way the health service works, there is still a culture change in treatment of mental health and helping with problems that needs to change and be put in place. i think on that there can be all many smallrt. >> businesses in sheffield have incomes at or below the current welfare cap. would my right honorable friend look at doing more for small businesses are reducing the burden of regulation, lowering

tax and increasing thresholds, as well as offering expert assistance to help them take on more apprentices? our long-termof economic plan is to help small businesses to take more people on. absolutely key to that is the willyment allowance that come in this april, which is a cut of 2000 pounds. it is important that we all encourage small businesses to take up this money and also to take on more people. time, we are abolishing employers national insurance contributions for the under 20 ones from april 2015, so some pennies in this constituency can start planning to take on more people. >> last week the deputy prime minister wrongly told the house that child care costs in england were coming down, while they continue to grow up in wales. the house of commons says it is not the case.

this week, the deputy prime minister is offering a pre-election bribe on childcare and which won't come into effect -- 2015.tember 2000 will the prime minister get a grip on this policy, help hard-working fan -- families with their child care because of the cost of living crisis today? >> i'm afraid to say the honorable member is wrong on both counts. actually, we are seeing easing of cost pressures in england. i'm afraid in wales they are still going up. he might want to talk to the national assembly government about that. the point of the deputy prime minister and i were making yesterday is we want to help hard-working families with their childcare costs. from 2015, for every child you have you can save up to 2000 pounds on your childcare costs.

speaker,eresting, mr. we can now hear that the labor party opposes this move. clearly, they don't welcome it. you have a very clear choice of the election. if you vote for parties on the side of the house you get help with your childcare and if you vote labor you get nothing. >> with the prime minister john with me in praising conservative -- for 68 years. providing real health to hard-working people in a stark contrast to the labour party. >> my honorable friend is right. we should do everything we can to help hard-working people meet their budgets and the needs. that is why the council is freezing the council tax. the government is doing its part by freezing feels duty, by raising the personal allowance, by doing everything we can to help hard-working people get on with their lives. minister assured

this house in november that the government has exempted stable people who need annexed her bedroom from the bedroom tax periods as you think it is right that my constituents will have to pay that tax of instability living allowance have to pay it because he lives in a tory region? >> what i said was absolutely correct and i'm happy to repeated again today. there's also the discretionary housing payments that are therefore local councils in order to deal with typical cases. i recommend he takes it up with counsel. is not just expanding into the crimea, but also shifts submarines and aircraft that are , submarines and aircraft are appearing near our shores. backefense ministry sends -- is understanding last year.

is it possible that we could have a new maritime patrol before the next sds are? >> what i would say to my honorable friend is first of all, we are only able to have these sorts of discussions and the sorts of considerations because we have sorted out the defense budget, got rid of the enormous deficit in it, and we have a successful and growing economy. in terms of maritime patrols, we are currently using the a wax aircraft-- the awacs and of course world navy ships and submarines. ministry of defense will be listening to his representations for the forthcoming sps are. -spsr. this is a great labor campaign. i spotted this morning. they have enumerated a number of

tax increases that we had to put in place in order to deal with the deficit area just to remind people, we said it was right to 80% with the deficit with spending reductions and 20% tax increases. there's a problem with this labor campaign. when the spokesman was asked, would you change any of these taxes, the answer was no. -- i'm not the world's biggest expert in campaigns, but i would say that was a bit of a turkey. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i welcome the prime minister's help for those hit by flooding, but i am told it only applies to areas affected its december. my constituency had its worst ever flooding last september. will he visit the area and will he extend his help to the homes and businesses who are still suffering? >> i absolutely understand the

honorable gentleman's concern because the sea surge that took with somee took place of the worst floods overseen in the area for a long time. we approve the sea wall to protect property from future flooding. my understanding is that working with partners, there is a 30 million pound investment going ahead across the remote kilometers of coast. there may well be more we can do and i'm happy to discuss that with them. to discuss that with him. what went wrong with his promise to eliminate the deficit ? >> we said we would cut the deficit and we have cut it. we said we would get britain back to work and we are getting britain back to work. private sector led recovery. she asked what went wrong. i can give it to you in one word

-- labor. >> mr. speaker, this week the n w announced that they're bringing with them 100 skilled week, bnw- this announced that they're bringing with them 100 skilled jobs. >> i'm always alighted to visit tamworth. happy to come back and do that. is important what he said about this manufacturing revival. we really can see it now in the west midlands with the news from jack you are/land rover. w as what he says about bm well. wsthink it is one in four bm

with a british made engine in it. joined in the, we tributes for tony band. he spent his life fighting for working people. the cost of living crisis, wages falling by 1600 pounds a year, able queuing up at food banks, so much that it requires the prime minister's attention, why is he seems so obsessed with plans to bring back foxhunting through the back door? iph are due to tony band is a constituent. he was always incredibly busy. he never forgot about his constituents. also, he was very good with a

friendly helpful word for new back benches, whatever side of the house he happens to be on. i'm sure many members like me experienced that from him. terms of what we're doing to help the poorest in our country, the most important ring is getting people back to work. seenact that we have now 1.7 million new private sector jobs under this government is the best way of helping people sustainably out of poverty. as a come out of poverty, they're going to see a higher minimum wage and also the ability to earn more money before they pay any taxes at all. those are the government priorities. that is our long-term plan, and that is what you're going to hear about. join my right honorable friend in paying tribute to tony -- where he was held in high regard by my constituents, even though they may not agree with his views. is he aware, however, that today's figures show that unemployment have fallen in

maldon by 27%. does he agree that this is further proof that the chancellor was actually right to ignore his critics and to stick to his guns? >> i thank my right honorable friend for what he said very indiana plummet figures as i said there is good news about women it to work him about young people into work, about falls in long-term unemployment. the number of people complaining unemployed benefits, the largest fall in that since february 1998. this is a really important point about getting people back to work in giving people the chance of a job and dignity and security in their lives. that is what our plan is all about. womanthe weekend, a young from my constituency died of cervical cancer. it left her family and friends bereft and unable to understand why she did not get the smear test that she asked for.

will the prime minister sent is -- send his sympathies. we must have the right policies in place to make sure this does not happen to anyone else. >> i think the honorable lady is absolutely right to raise his case. many of us have read about in the papers at the weekend there it seems an absolutely tragic case. we made huge breakthroughs in this country under both governments. something seems to have gone wrong in this case. i'm very happy to look at it and write about it and seek any views that she has about it, too. >> today's unemployment figures .how a reduction it is better than an increase of 14, but very disappointing nonetheless. it is the ninth highest in the country. i recently visited a training provider who said that there were 600 apprenticeships in

bradford. it a premise are confident that we are actually doing enough to ensure that young people in particular are aware of apprenticeships, but also prepared to take those apprenticeships on? >> i think he makes important point, which is you often find pockets of quite high unemployment right next to areas that have a lot of apprenticeships or jobs available. i think there are two things we have to get right heard one is we have to make sure that more of our young people are leaving school with the key qualifications, including english and maths that are absolutely vital to take on an apprenticeship. we need to stress that those subjects are vocational subjects at the heart of education. the second is we need to do more to explain to young people in school what is available in terms of apprenticeships and training here to that's exactly what our national career services going to do. really all in this together when the prime minister

thinks that some public-sector workers don't even deserve a one when hepay rise supports pay rises up to 40% for government special advisers? can he ensure that the prime minister is out of touch, but only stands up for his own privileged few? not a single labor mp mentioned the other plummet figures. let me answer the honorable gentleman. , everyone in the nhs will get at least a one percent pay rise. this is something that i was told was supported by the labour party. this is what the leader of the labour party said -- we are talking about a pay increase limited to one percent. i said, this labour party is going to face up to those difficult choices we have to make.

how long did that one last? confronted by trade union campaigns, we demonstrate once again his complete weakness at unfitness for office. -- and unfitness for office. a recent report into female feticide has been reduced in the u.k. by four best buy 4500. as a father to two daughters, can ask my right honorable friend to call for an end to this most appalling practice? and once taboo subject must clearly. not just in the u.k., but in the world as a whole. >> my right friend is absolutely right here it is a simply appalling practice. i think there are areas like this, like female genital mutilation, like forced marriage, we need to be absolutely clear about our values and the messages that we sent and that these practices

are unacceptable. the government has made sure abortion -- under certain circumstances is illegal. the meeting with the chief medical officer this afternoon and i will raises issue with her hair dye think it is absolutely right for my honorable friend to run this campaign. >> order. order. >> you been watching prime minister's questions from the british house of commons. c-span2 at live at 8:00 a.m. eastern. you can watch anytime at c-span.org, where you can find videos of past prime minister's questions. >> next, kentucky senator rand paul talking to students at the university of california berkeley.

>> we have a dual mission, which is to protect american consumers and to promote competition. we do that in a couple of different ways. the first is that we are a civil law enforcement agency. we bring lawsuits against companies that engage in unfair or deceptive acts or practices or engage in unfair methods of competition. he also engage in policy and research work to study industries and to promote best practices and to advocate for laws that we think are needed. to your specific question, what i can tell you is that we are really interested in protecting consumers when it comes to the entirety of the mobile ecosystem. by that, i mean that we are what appd in

developers are engaging in, what platforms are doing, upgrading stores, mobile app device manufacturers. again, we ensure that american consumers are protected and that there is a competitive landscape. >> the role of the federal trade commission, monday on the communicators at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span two. >> on wednesday, kentucky senator rand paul spoke at university of california berkeley about government surveillance and privacy issues. he criticized the mystic surveillance by the intelligence community and he called for accretion of independent committee to oversee intelligence gathering. this comes in the wake of allegations by senate intelligence committee chair dianne feinstein that the cia may have searched computers used by her committee. after his speech, senator paul set down for a question-and-answer session on this and other topics, including a possible presidential run in

2016. this is about 40 minutes. >> ♪ ♪ great to be here, berkeley. thank you to the berkeley forum for inviting me. you may be a republican or democrat or libertarian. i am not here to tell you what to be. i am here to tell you though, that your rights, especially a right to privacy, is under assault. i'm here to tell you that if you own a cell phone, you are under surveillance. i am here to tell you that the nsa believes that equal

protection means that americans should be spied upon equally, including congress. instead of equal protection to them, is equal disdain. they don't care if you are white or black or brown, they care only that everyone must submit to the state. senator sanders and i don't agree on everything. he is an independent from ,ermont, but he asked the nsa are you collecting records on congress? arrogance, youic know the nsa said? they said congress is getting the same treatment everybody else's. , and againrds, yes yes, they're spying on congress. they're collecting our data as well. digest exactly what that means. if congress is spied upon without their permission, who exactly is in charge of the government? last week, we learned something new. there are senators in the middle

of this. we learned that the cia is illegally searching the computers of the senate intelligence agency. those are the ones who are supposed to be overseeing the cia. i do not know about you, but that worries me. if the cia is spying on congress, who will stop them? i look into the eyes of senators, and i think i see real fear. maybe it is just my imagination, but i think i perceived fear of an intelligence community that is drunk with power, not inclined to relinquish power. i am worried about who is truly in charge. most of you have read the dystopian novels, and maybe you are like me and say, that could never happen in america, and yet, if you have a cell phone, you are under surveillance.

the nsa uses an automated system called turbine. they hacked into million of computers. the nsa has even been posing to affect issues. the government collects information from every one of your phone calls. that is what they are maintaining. remove the warts that snowden revealed? every -- every phone call from verizon was on the list there is your government stores your e-mails and can access it without a warrant. your government claims the right to look at your every purchase online. your government actually claims that none of your digital records are protected. listen very carefully to that. they say they will protect them, but they say none of your records are protected by the fourth amendment. this is something we're going to fight in court.

if you own a cell phone, you are under survey lands. -- you are under surveillance. i believe what you do on your cell phone is none of their n business. [applause] in the opening pages of "fahrenheit 451," the protagonist asks, wasn't there a time when firemen used to put out fires? they laughed and say, everyone knows that firemen start fires. it had been his duty for many years to burn books. he knew it was his duty, but this time it would be different. he arrived on the scene to do his job, and they piled the books up, but she will not leave. undeterred, they douse her books with kerosene.

the woman shouts out and loads them. she is indignant that they would touch her books. she refuses to leave. she says, play the man, master ridley. today, we will light such a candle that it will not be soon forgotten. they keep dousing her with kerosene, and she keeps saying, play the man, master ridley. we will light such a candle. in the book, the reference is lost on the firemen as they simply do their job. there is a man who literally became a human candle, burned at the stake for hair at the. -- for heresy. his crime, he wanted to promote the idea that the bible could be translated into english. and in the u.s., we are not yet burning people at the stake. nor are we burning books, yet, but your government is interested in what you are reading. they are interested in what you

say in your phone calls and what you write in your e-mails, and even if they say you are not interested, they say the fourth amendment does not protect any of these records. the nsa is collecting the records of every american. before snowden had his leaks, i have heard this was happening. i had talked to people and seen some of the releases, and they had been collecting an unprecedented amount of records, but i was not able to reveal the number because they say it was a secret. why the number is a secret, i do not know, because there are zillions of records being collected. they cannot put me in jail for making up a number, but i wanted to emphasize by using this fictitious number. i want the american public to know that the actual number of communications being collected by the federal government was almost beyond comprehension. a senator from oregon has been trying to shed a light on this

invasion of privacy. it is an example of how someone from the left and some from the right come together for something that is good, for the protection of your privacy. he is on the intelligence committee and is privy to information that very few congressmen or senators have access to. before snowden's revelations, the senator talked about this but was constrained. finally, a few months before the snowden leaks, the senator called the office of james clapper and said, i am going to ask you if you're collecting millions of american records without a warrant? despite this warning, clapper comes to congress and lies. that is punishable to up to five years, and when this secret surveillance of americans finally became public though, no one on the intelligence community was involved.

their only regret was that the program was no longer secret. the sheer arrogance. their only sorry that they got caught very at without the snowden leaks, they would still be doing whatever they please. what is your beef? what they rarely mention is they do not think any of your records have any fourth amendment protection. it is only boring, old business they say records. think about the information on your visa bill. governmentill the can't tell whether you drink, or the smoke, whether you gamble,

what books you read, what magazines you read whether you see a psychiatrist, what , medications you take. there was a recent study by two stanford graduates -- are we allowed to mention stanford here? [laughter] they were showing exactly what could be figured out from your boring, old phone records. i oppose this abuse of power with every ounce of energy i have. i believe you have a right to privacy, and it should be protected. [applause] i believe no government should ever access your records without a judges warrant. ofelieve the majority americans agree with me, whether republicans, democrats, and i think most people are offended by this program. edward snowden, the leaker of classified information, it did

break the law, but so did james clapper. i do not think there has been another criticism of clapper. enough he said it was ok to lie to congress and the american people in the name of security. snowden proposed it was ok to meet classified information in -- to leak classified information in the name of liberty. there are laws against both of those, leaking and lying. history sometimes excepts one or both as laudable. if a government official weeks -- leaks to expose government malfeasance, we sometimes call it a whistleblower. if an enemy asks for secret information, we would expect our intelligence director to live, -- to lie. but no matter who is testifying in congress, lying to congress is still a crime. lying to congress also damages credibility. when the intelligence director lies, it makes it difficult for us to believe him when he comes to say, oh, yes, we are collecting all of your information, but we promise not to look at it. it is hard to believe them when they do not tell the truth when

they testify. they also come to us and say, terrorists cannot be apprehended with the bill of rights. who knows what to believe anymore? even if no abuse of phone records has occurred so far, we must limit government power to prevent abuse in the future. the intelligence director maintains he lied in the open hearing because it was open to the public, and the information was classified. he tells us he testified in the least untruthful way. the least untruthful way. as americans, we do not deserve the least untruthful way or the -- from the people we pay for who work for us. we have a right to the truth. we deserve the truth, and we demand the truth from our officials. [applause]

the people who are not clapping, are you from the intelligence community? i have asked repeatedly is , snowden a hero or a villain? i am sort of of mixed minds. there is no doubt that his legacy will be clouded by his perch in russia. i agree with critics that you no great repository of civil liberties. just cannot let individuals decide when to release classified information. snowden will likely face punishment when he returns, but i do not agree with those who say he should be hanged or shot on sight. snowden's leaks should not be seen as civil disobedience because he did not stick around for punishment. and whether you would stick around or not.

phil roe faced a day in jail, thoreau faced a and that was considered so divisive -- disobedience. history will decide if he is a hero, who is hero and who is villain. clapper lied in the name of security, and snowden told the truth in the name of -- this should not make us lose track of the real issue. how does the fourth amendment apply in the digital age? to me, this is a profound constitutional question. could a single war and the applied american e-mails and to millions of records? when you sign a privacy agreement with your internet company or your phone company, don't you retain a privacy interest in those records?

the fourth amendment is very clear. warrants must be issued by a judge. warrants must be specific to an individual. it must have your name on it if they want your number, and a single warrant for millions of american records hardly seems specific. warrants are supposed to be based on evidence with probable cause. i am not against people searching you. if a judge says there is probable cause that you committed a crime. i'm fine with that. i am not against the nsa per se. but i am for the process, the due process of law, that protects your rights. generalized warrants that do not name an individual and seek to get millions of records, it goes against the very fabric of the fourth amendment. some say the protest against general warrants was really the spark that got things going. i find it ironic that the first

african-american president has without compunction about this vast exercise of raw power by -- allowed this the nsa. certainly, j edgar hoover's illegal spying on martin luther king and others in the civil rights movement should give us all pause. now, if president obama were here he would say he is not j edgar hoover, which is certainly true, but power must be restrained, because no one knows who will next hold that power. if government were always as madison put it comprised of , angels, we would not need restraint, but as we know, government is often not comprised of angels. the government says the nsa program has been approved by 15 judges. right. 15 judges, most of them ruling in secret, where no one had a lawyer on both sides of the equation, and they get no attorney. the debate is shrouded in

secrecy, and the nsa could say whatever they want, and they are not cross examined. a secret court is not a real court. we must take a stand and demand an end to secret courts. [applause] this battle for your rights must take place in the light of day. as we speak, my attorneys are battling for an open hearing in court in washington, d.c. we have a lawsuit. only the supreme court can legitimately decide if government can access all of your phone records with a single warrant without suspicion. everyone in this room owns a cell phone, so i am not fighting

for just me or just one political party. i would do the same whether it was a republican president or a democrat president. this is an important issue that goes beyond party politics. i say what you read or what you send in your e-mail or your text messages is none of their damn business. [applause] now, they say they are not listening to your phone calls. maybe they are. maybe they are not. but last week, we found the cia illegally searched senate computers. dianne feinstein, in charge of the committee, she gave a speech, saying they are illegally taking our work product, and they are now taking stuff off of the computers that could be information to the american people. i am going to fight them on this. i told her and complemented her. she is from another party. i went up to her to say, great speech, everyone is talking about it, because i do not see

this as a partisan issue. i hope she does not let the cia or nsa push her around. i am going to fight them on this. no one should be allowed to invade your privacy. that is why i am announcing today that when i returned to washington, i will push for a select committee, styled after the church committee that investigated the abuses of power by the intelligence community in the 1970's. it should be independent and wide reaching. it should have full power to investigate those who spy on us in the name of protecting us. it should watch the watchers. our liberties are slipping away from us. when hugh latimer said let this be a candle, he became a model. there is a torch burning figuratively or not in the harbor.

we should never let that flame of liberty go out. on occasion, we have let our guard down, particularly in times of war or times of fear. we have traded our heroes for ghosts, exchanging freedom for a lead role in a cage, or as franklin said, traded our liberty for security. i think we have been too lax in guarding our security. when you stroll through the airport, ask yourself who is winning? a harvard law school professor asked the question in a very visual way. he said the next time you go to airport security, the next time they tell you to put your hands over your head, ask yourself if this is the posture of a free man?

will we live as men and women, the question before us iswill we live as men and women, or will we cower and give up on our liberty? i believe your rights are inalienable, and i will fight for the right of every american to be left alone. i hope you will stand with me and take a stand for liberty. thank you very much. [applause] thank you. thank you. >> thank you, senator paul, for coming. another quick round of applause. [applause]

the senator has agreed to participate in an interview with one of our members of the forum. i would like to announce matthew, who will be our moderator. thank you. [applause] >> so you have been very vocal about your recent lawsuit against president obama and the nsa, but a conservative activist and the aclu have also filed similar lawsuits against the nsa, and those have either resulted in a negative or stayed ruling. what makes you think you have

any more success than these groups? >> it is an exclusive that mine is the best, but it is slightly different. the aclu lawsuit was ruled against. the judge either threw it out or said it was constitutional. the other lawsuit is in the same court that mine will go to, and the judge has previously ruled it unconstitutional but stayed the ruling, and it is still active. ours is going to the same court and has a similar subject. the claimant suit is in the same court in mine that will go to the judges previously ruled unconstitutional, stayed the ruling and will be upheld. for legal reasons, it might have a chance of going to the supreme court. not so much that my case has to go, because many people do not think it applies at all. you do not own those are records. i think they are jointly held. the rights agreed not to tell your neighbor who you are calling so the acknowledged