. his work includes the award-winning "always running." >> a discussion about the social changes occurring in small towns and cities across the country. a conversation with scalia and ginsburg. after that, hillary clinton among the participants in the women in the world summit. >> james fallows and his wife deborah fallows sit down to talk about their observations of social changes taking place across the country. >> thank you for hosting us.

thank you for joining us here in this wonderful place. i would like to say quick word --what he had before you is one of the most remarkable, if not most remarkable productive partnerships in american journalism. it is a partnership that, over the years, has taken them and millions of readers from austin to seattle,, tokyo, shanghai, beijing. now it has them hopscotching across america in a single engine airplane. partnership inis its most clearest light. we see their complementary interest at work. they write about the compelling

or quirky characters they meet in the adventures they have along the way. jim writes more about factories, and deborah writes about schools. deborah writes about language in the way people talk. jim writes about beer. but they are both driven by the same great curiosity. and excitement about learning, and adventure that took them to china, and has not taken them back to rediscover parts of america that don't get a lot of coverage in national publications. i think that is what we might as well start. why you chose to do this. how you went about thinking about where to go in the first place. jim, do you want to set the table? >> thank you for reading our magazine, and leading us to this adventure.

i guess this started when devon -- when devon i got married. -- when deb and i got married. it was a bleak time in england. , after we got married, in oxford, england, we went to a work camp in ghana for our honeymoon. [laughter] >> that set the table. >> fair warning on both sides. the series point would be that we just got back from three years living in china where we traveled around by bus and train, and airplane him and car. years we have flown across the country a number of times in our small plane. we thought, why don't we apply a setina models and get of d.c. for a while.

>> to give their credit to our older son, he is the one who suggested it to us. he said we were getting antsy after being back in d.c. for a few years and said what you do what you do best. getting your plane and see what you can find. ikes -- >> what was the process of figuring out where you could go? >> that is an ongoing process. we were looking for interesting, smaller places. small is a flexible definition. aspen doesn't have many people who live there. that would not count. , a sizable town, was in our category of small because it seems like it is on the fringe somewhere. we are looking for places that are not in the first year of national media attention. not the east coast where most of

, or if they gotten the news it would be for a natural disaster or some oddity, or somebody was going to illustrate a theme piece. placesed to go to these and tell more about people once we have the general pop -- deposition. >> he put something in a blog post that said tell us about your town. she would visit your town. it was an amazing response. in a couple of days we had a thousand people ride in with why their town was interesting. why their town was changing and developing. outwe actually started choosing a few that we knew a little bit more about. sioux falls, south dakota. it was the first one. the text was could we remember it was sioux falls and not sioux

city. once we learned that, that was a mistake that we had made. we needed to set the record straight. >> how many people are clear on the difference between sioux falls and sioux city? we can tell you if you want to know. is the largest city in south dakota and the capital of the planes. an interesting place. if you have a credit card payment it probably goes to sioux falls. it is a great, diverse city that has immigrants and refugees from around the world. sioux city, in iowa, was 80 years ago the superior of sioux falls. sioux falls thinks sioux city has gone down. wantsity had a town that aspirational he. -- each city has a town that

looked aspirational and. ly. -- is the cartoon image that america is largely emptying out into a few big metropolises, and the rest of the country is being marginalized. where there are people, they are clustering in a handful of walmart and applebees. that is not what you're finding it all. sioux falls turned out to have a diverse local economy. >> to brag on it for a second, it is a huge agricultural center . downtown sioux falls, who has been? it is very beautiful since they repaired the falls. they were derelict long ago.

the sites are the falls, the state penitentiary, because the story is 100 years ago when they were setting up a state university, do you want the anniversary of the prison, they decided on the prison because it was steadier. this enormous slaughterhouse, where thousands of kids -- meet their fate. apparently the pig laws are laxer. they come across to sioux falls, , and then theyr go to china. the companies owned by a chinese firm. they have agriculture. they have high tech. us -- thethe may see macy's balloon. they have finance.

it is the first of many places. we thought this would be an interesting place to live. aspect ofas the human sioux falls that was something that surprised us. we thought we had seen mostly ethnic, scandinavian types. it is been a center for refugee resettlement in the u.s. since the 1970's. it started with vietnam, largely with the lutheran services in sioux falls. sioux falls became so good at this, so good at taking refugees , umbrella organizations decided to send wave after wave of refugees to sioux falls. the has happened since 1970's. right now in the school system they have 10% of the school population are refugee and immigrant kids.

there are 30 different languages spoken in the schools. -- if you have have english language programs you get extra money to help those kids in their immersion programs to learn english. it is a work well in sioux falls because the programs are designed that all of the non-english speaking kids will be speaking the same foreign language. there are 30% of kids who speak 70% is, and the other this longtail of 27 different languages. swahili, arabic, all kinds of languages. thisave not only refugees, barrage of commitment to medic situations

where they have been a camps for five years or tear years -- or two years, one of the women i met, when she was six years old she and her family had to flee die for -- she had to fully perform. had to flee darfur. they finally get to sioux falls. here she is. this beautiful young woman. 16 years old, in high school. she was acclimated by this point in wanting to join rotc, which she did. challenge.nted to she was still wearing her muslim one of the hardest things for her was on dress-up day at the school, when you wear your formal uniform they would let her wear her muslim headscarf

with the formal uniform. she was allowed to do it. , ithance, when i was there started a ball rolling. the people who were her commander at the school was helped trying to solve the problem. he went up the ranks. this year that word that she was allowed to wear it. it is touching. >> this is something you found in burlington. schools wrestling with an immigrant population. >> definitely. one of the elementary schools had its own kind of drama. it was a regular public school in a rough part of town. and a lot of the kids were living in this school as well.

it was a failing school. they were either going to close the school down or bus the kids out. activists, and they are very active in burlington, said this will not be. we have a third way. they decided they would make the school into a real example of the successful focused school. in can guess that the word burlington is sustainability. they were making in the charter school around sustainability. such -- such a magnet and such a successful school that now it is one of the best elementary schools in the 60%, 40% has about around the town, and 60% from that neighborhood.

they lean on everyone as a community to contribute building the gardens, making being lunches. two touching things from the principal, they go around the rules of things. they have to meet the standards of the schools. but, the important thing is they uponed that each kid leaving six. needed to know how to ride a bike and to swim. they got by extended to the school and they taught the kids how to ride bikes. teachers forw swimming and march them down to the lake when the weather gets warm and teaches them how to swim. engagement and dedication, we're just going to make it our way, that you see

s in theents on all kind o small towns. >> lamy talk about the native populations. the city or town, what is it that keeps people there? or bring them back? people return. >> one theme. i want to say something on what deb was talking about. it is natural if you are involved in national level politics over the last generation to think bleak thoughts about the fabric of american life because there are happen.for things not the payoff for blocking things were scoring points is so much what what we invite or swim in

all the time. the absence of that in regional level activities is so dramatic. what is interesting people don't even comment on it. here we aresaying doing the business. they don't even bother saying that. the school is solving its problems. , if you of weeks ago are wanting to have a non-corny ofse of the functionality american public life, you would see it in one of these places where people are paying attention. the local patriotism, we have these thousand plus nominations of people saying come to our town. people cared about their city .nd why it was special why even the things failing about it more difficult.

there is a high representation ,f people, you grew up here people who have come to the metropolis and think if you want to achieve you have to come from the metropolis. it is interesting to see people whose loyalty is so local. the town where i grew up, redwoods, california. it is viewed by people in los angeles as the boondocks. piece, one wrote a long mockery of my homeland apart from other things. there are people there, including a man who is a real tech entrepreneur, who has built this company in this little town because he cares about its future and the conditions.

we ask what the story of the town is. there is this local attachment and patriotism that is quite impressive. >> for example, in holland, michigan. >> holland, michigan. we went there after somewhere we knew in college was from holland. , it is a small town on the eastern shore of lake michigan. economically it is distinctive for having a high manufacturing proportion of gdp. anthropologically it is about 51% dutch, calvinist, conservative. half of one percent are jewish, including our friend who is there, part of a long scrap business. he was sayingo

i'm going to go back to holland. we saw him. he has built a culture there with his wife that they have made a life that matters. they have all kinds of philanthropy. it is interesting to listen to the way people talk about their hometowns. you usually hear, in sioux falls, i love sioux falls. ,n other towns, like eastport population 1300, as cold as it can possibly be, the answer is how could i not live here. >> a test case, we haven't been

to -- most was a chart of the 10 polluted cities in china. china was like a thousand times more polluted than the u.s.. these are the top 10 cities. one that we went to was fresno, which is a hard-pressed place. even their there are people who care about trying to have the spark of fresno. this guy was having a downtown place. they care about it. --winters am a california is winters, california is a notch down from napa. soft, rough and ready. charming. >> still forming. >> there were a number of young couples, young families.

the husband or the wife was usually from winters. said whenn, each one they met their future spouse, the agreement from the beginning was you have to understand we are going to winters. if you buy into this, this is where we are going to live. this is a pretty small town. the commitment to the town, you can say those in words, but will be saw the people do was try to figure out how to make their sustainable and built for a future where they could create a family life that usually meant small town life where you know your neighbors and everyone is watching out for one another. that was a definite aspect of it. town,e the assets of the take advantage of them and build them up in a modern way.

in maine it was all about being a town that wasn't really living up to its ability. there are going to make that into a world-class port. >> they are the main depot for shipping pregnant cow from texas to turkey. it is a long story. [laughter] >> go ahead. >> eastport has 1300 people. every one of whom looms in our imagination. the first night, they are doing this production of the glassman manager. the guy selling tickets was the editor of a local newspaper, which is thriving. >> the stage manager was the barista at the coffee shop. >> the people who urges making it happen. one of them is the port manager who got the call of some person

in texas who runs a company to have an account and make sure all of the embryo cal's are female. the guy from texas said how would you like to send pregnant cows to turkey? and he said oh sure we would love to do that. if we say no, someone else will say yes. they have the deepest port in the continental united states. the farthest extreme of the north american continent. you now have these wrapups. tens of thousands of cows have come up by truck from texas and other parts of the u.s. with supplies. they load them into the shipping containers. portholes.

during the journey the cowboys shovel and more straw to keep it filled up. when they get off istanbul they go through a cow carwash. this is to replenish european herds after mad cow disease. this is one of several big businesses. tidal energy, america's tidal energy center. on the bright side, when the canadian arctic melts they'll be the closest a plaintiff coast port to china. [laughter] the glasses 110 full. -- the glasses 1-10 full. >> my wife start looking for property there. [laughter] >> for $100,000 you can get a nice house with a view of the ocean on all sides. >> there are some tensions. you have these people working

hard to make this town work. even they admit now they are taking a lot of risks. -- onre going on face faith that these things will work out. native tf them are sport. this is a point of tension within the town. town person from away more than once. people who were native born, this doesn't mean you happen to be born and you come to eastport. you have to be born in eastport. the people from away, and the people not from away. they don't always see eye to eye on things. our town is doing fine without these changes and big fancy

ideas coming in. the big fancy ideas are what is moving the town. 1300,en in the town of always not happy. >> big ideas coming from people come from the outside? >> not really. i think they start from the people who are inside or want to be there. >> there are a lot of people the been away for a while. -- they both worked outside for a while. this guy, a different person, he grew up there growing oranges. his grandfather had been an orange grower. the last thing he wanted to do was grow these oranges. it is forming work. he became a fantasy or -- he

became a financier. he is now back trying to preserve and make a viable business of the historic orange groves. threat,ead off the main this interest -- the citrus pest making its way from florida to california. >> i think that south carolina is a good example of people from away and people from their deciding to come back. want to tell the story question my >> greenville is a phenomenal turnaround story. it was a big textile area. , it has theere bmw most impressively redone downtown we have seen. the mayor says that whenever

they are trying to get businesses, international ones to come, the reaction is are you kidding? they come there, and then they are talking to real estate agents and getting a house. it is a beautiful place. it illustrates the community, the good and the bad. the more effective, the more exclusive. places including holland and greenville, where there is this tight community, i published a note from a woman who was a visiting professor in greenville who said i hated greenville with the heat of a thousand, million suns. i couldn't wait to get away. it is part of the american trade-off. ran into so many

young people who are in their 20's have gone away for college and come back visiting their parents at home. this incredulity. this is my hometown. everything is change. they are doing the tech startups. this silicon valley in greenville that is becoming known around the country is a good inky pater situation -- a good incubator situation where you can learn to be a coder or get support for your startup. it is kids from greenville and kids from all over the place returning to this town. and, reshaping it. >> let's talk about what it is like me on the road 50% of your time. i'm curious about the process of arriving at a new place. do you usually have a friend that serves as a local guide?

like bouncing around? >> i'll take that. , i hopewhen we arrive this works. we have committed to this for the next series of time. the answer is no, nobody meets us. we hope the rental car works. we hope there is a motel at the place we have booked. just kind of go. the trapmorning, set lines for the usual suspects. there is always a great group of people where you can knock on the door and they will talk to you. the newspaper editors, the mayor, the schools. fiscal principles -- the school principals, the librarians. business.starting a people here are, and journalists

know this, there is this forgettable exponential curve of when you go someplace and you get contacts. you spin the first half of the time trying to find able to talk to. suddenly there is a million people to talk to and not enough time. we spend the first days: people up. suddenly there are visits. >> what is the strangest place you've stayed so far? >> yeah. [laughter] city it don't say what was then. there is a personal friend we don't want to inconvenience. >> i know. >> one of the places we have stayed was not literally a shipping container, but it wasn't always a shipping container with no windows. it was over something which i

will describe is part of america prison industrial complex. a 24/7 activity center for prison businesses. >> it was nice. it was very comfortable. was it quiet? >> very quiet. and a surprising difference in your sleeping pattern that no light can enter the room where you are. it is easier to sleep in. >> yeah. that was one of the stranger ones for sure. places were like traveling businessmen are. , jimlaces that work best does air control. i do ground maneuvers. part of the ground maneuvering -- anythingng laces with sweets in the name works well. you get extra space.

you get wi-fi. there is a pool. endorse, give it a name sweets. those work very well. historic hotel a that was not so great. oneoved to an interesting ran by some indian immigrants. indian vianeration ,he congo, belgium, canada england, and that a place in texas. his family had been in the hotel business. he was in the process of figuring out how to build a certified hotel, which is a very detailed set of standards you have to follow. we stumbled upon it

serendipitously. the car. that's the carpet is made of grass, sugar, rubber. anything natural. everything has to be certified to be ecologically sound. he was taking it to the next step. compatible, to make it local. he sourced all of the furniture making within five miles of grand rapids. the special lights, the special hardware that he designed himself, the special tile. the special furniture. it was actually the most perfect hotel. adobe eco hotel. >> buffalo paintings on the walls.

>> i'm wide open it up to you guys. i want to ask another question. please line up at the two mics that are in the aisles. this is a washington audience. i have to ask. why live reaction was in washington? i wonder, how do you answer that question? do you see any prospect? you have written along the way of the effectiveness of local and this tremendous ambition at the local level to build things like title energy andrators and spaceports, places you wouldn't expect to find spaceports. do you see any mechanism that could be brought here? , earnestly whyr

we live in washington question. i was away so i should live in california. the center of my businesses in the east coast, the atlantic is based here. half0 years we have lived in d.c. and half in other places. i don't know that anything we have seen makes me feel any more hopeful about -- one cynical thing. overseas a lot. it is fine to be a journalist living overseas. i was a washington editor. if you live off the east coast, but within the u.s., you become seen as a regional player. it is to be a national figure in journalism if you're not in the east coast. i wish it were different. -- that iow if i feel

see any things you can apply and national politics because the feedback loop of cooperating in having results, it is there within a community or a state. line asut is the party opposed actually doing things. ofi have a different version the why we live here. something i have learned from this experience, looking back and realizing much of the way we have lived our life in this town , which is a big town, has been to try to make it smaller. our neighborhood, our sense of community, where the kids go to school. it has become smaller and has a lot of the same characteristics of these small towns where it is

important to know the people on the street, or no the people in the neighborhood. i think everybody does that. recognizeresting to that you do that in your life. you make a neighborhood a small town. off town, you could rattle 12 different neighborhoods and people know. >> most of our lifelong best friends are in the audience now in washington. this is where our lives are. we stillwere born here grieve with the redskins. >> if anyone has a question come to the mike. -- the mic. tell me about getting on the plane. do you like air travel? >> oh, yes.

jim is a passionate pilot. i'm a good shotgun seat. i know how to do things in the plane. it is the only place i can nap. it is incredibly beautiful to fly and get this norman rockwell view of america beneath you. the best altitude. you can see the yellow school buses and white fences. chinese for america in means beautiful country. when you are flying over the it isy at that altitude, chills up your spine of how beautiful it is. is a wonderful write c person and the plane. the air traffic controllers are always lies -- nicer.

pull.ow how to rule had one hard fast when we started this. we would never fly, no matter what it meant, if conditions were not safe. jim is a conservative pilot. i'm a conservative passenger. ule.ave a conservative r a couplember of stops, of places have come to meet us. one was eastport, maine. they had to get back. the weather was terrible. it was 800 foot ceiling. them, i'm not going to

take you back. it would have been a 5 hour drive for them through the rain instead of a 40 minute flight. understood. he our other partner here has been series. you follow are >> a double question. the first part is easy. could you tell us what aircraft you fly? i'm comparing hearing you tonight with when i heard you the first time back in the late 1980's. you give a talk about your time in asia and certain characteristics of culture and economy that made them tough economic competitors to the united states.

when i asked the last question, did you ever see a time when certain characters would be the winning combination, that moment the moderator said that is all the time we have. [laughter] was a got from this certain kind of individuality and grit across america. maybe if you could touch on that . ,f there is anything about that a winning formula for the united states? serious -- ne is a sear it is a great plane.

after we got back from japan i read a book called more like us. the ingredients of american culture success, which for reinvention, mobility, possibility, that was the key to american success. it was important not to copy the japanese way but to make sure the u.s. doesn't become class ridden in stagnant. , after living in china, we had a wonderful time in china, but i think the united states , cultural.ous assets china is a great place that has serious problems. the main thing the u.s. could do fluidity -- keep the that has made a distinctive over the years. of the neighbors. for those of you who do not know , they are the best neighbors

you could ever imagine. the talk.walked >> because they are never there. [laughter] >> i didn't think about that. i husband and i are from small town areas. he used to say that in a small time you watch a haircut for fun. i would love to hear you talk about the place. the fun that people are having, and the food they are enjoying. >> there is so much fun. we are always there on the weekends. shapeays tend to keep in and do some kind of exercise. i'm here to report that every single town has a newly redone riverwalk. even if it doesn't have a river. there is a riverwalk. you can rent bikes and go around everywhere.

there is a beautiful in sioux falls. i have made a practice to go to the local ymca, which is great for a couple of reasons. they are so nice. you can get a day pass and swim in their pool. it has taught me about what strong institutions these are round the towns. you get a slice of life and picture of life. which one was that? it was in greensville. 'seensville has so many ymca you can hardly choose. the aqua aerobics in one corner.

people like me doing laps in another corner. the kids pool. you just get a sense of the community that way. we do a lot of recreational stuff. holland, michigan was wonderful because sunday was family day. that meant that nobody was doing -- but goingdoing out to the beach riding bikes around. been impressive that, i would have thought that downtown revitalization was a brooklyn or san francisco type thing. but it is amazing. every place you go, there is reviving the downtown, having a combination of retail and residential, and food as an agreement -- an ingredient.

everyone is trying to do that. pubs every place. the idea of america that we get, we have the strip across america for the atlantic a decade ago, it was talking about the bad food. things have changed since then. >> it is not only local ethnic restaurants. it is everybody. a lot of young people. this is their passion. to open restaurants. it is fabulous. we have been lucky you to everywhere. >> good evening. i follow your writing for a while. the china writing has been of a lot of interest. my business is involved in china. times.been there several

the greenville pieces what struck me and provoked a lot of thought. i spent 10 years growing up in greenville in the jim crow days. i had a lot of before photographs to compare to your after photographs. i wanted -- i wondered if you racism, and onhe what people don't realize is, although it reared its head again, the connection with the anti-unionism with racism. i will mention in passing, you may become aware when you were there, to its credit greenville held the first lynching trial ever in south carolina. 1948. everyone was acquitted. then, jessica west brought a long piece about it.

she was there for the trial. i had known about it. your writing prompted me to dig it out and read it. you may me think a lot about greenville and change my attitude. i'd be interested to hear your observations. like thank you very much. as you can imagine there is a vein of things we have been thinking about related to this. a general proposition is we're trying to, we have been trying to convey positive impressions without pollyanna-ism. there is no part of the world that is completely positive. only used to say we to each other it is always more interesting than horrible. that is the way we had to have a positive outlook on china. the things we have in looking tensions that go

on in these places. in holland, we won't even get into the gay-rights initiative. the story in the south is dealing with america's major story, race relations. when we asked people in greenville about how they have coped with this part of their heritage, their argument was number one, that was part of their historical burden. they felt that things had changed. the black people we talked to said it changed. why people were forceful saying it had change. i mentioned in my article greenville county was the last one to recognize martin luther king's birthday. the mayor wrote back saying you should be clear, the city of greenville approved it long ago. the county is much more right wing. anti-unionism is a big thing.

it is a big factory. st. mary's has had a interesting race relations story because most of the african-american families there were union members of the paper mill. they were better paid. most of the diversity is from the navy. there is a more select. >> we can take the last questions. >> hello. , ande worked for a company , many of ourings sellers are living in these communities where jobs have left . a major employer has left. they are so committed to these communities. , building resilience

in an effort to stay in these places they love. i would love to hear give examples of people or examples of folks turning inward and building their own businesses and coming up with their own ways to build that resilience to stay in the community. in everyk we saw that place we went. eastport, maine is a great example of where people are making it up as they go along and doing, and being creative. doing whatever they do best. there is one woman i met in , she and her husband basically built salvaged everything in their house in their own greenhouse. in the greenhouse, she wanted to preserve everything that they grew there.

things weren't keeping well and her french. year, she created this thing called a veggie bag. recycledde out of hospital sheets. then a special fabric that she salvaged. businessas an online called veggie bags. it is a fabulous product. she sells them online. not only did she have a tiny living herself out of that, but she employs five other young women in the town that she calls the stitch sisters. they get together and stitch these bags together. curiously, you might think she outs to make it big in get of eastport. actually, she said she just like starting things like this preaches want to get that big. she just wants to be able to do

something that is important to her and the environment, and helps other people, and stays there. we saw a lot of that. ofple creating something out nothing so they can stay where they were. know, overce, as you the 20th century, most small towns shrank or disappeared. south dakota, every county except to have lost populations every decade of the last century as they go towards. there are historic trends. being local co-ops,y vegetable where people band together and buy and sell to each other, and

for it, andproduct better lifestyle when everybody is putting in a little peace and sharing it. yeah. .> thank you no doubt you had conversations with hundreds of american people. somethingurchill said like, the greatest argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the common man. was he being overly cynical? had you come out? hard bothying very for appearances and sincerely not to be sappy about any of this. aen we were in vermont we saw huge heroin epidemic. every place we have been there are problems. st. mary's has a history

downtown they are trying to build but the outside looks like sprawl hill. i'm not trying to sound sappy. it has generally made me feel heartened about the american texture and culture to see how people are trying, and how we keep absorbing people from all over the world. that is, to my mind, the strategic asset the u.s. has always had over any culture. churchill, iston don't know if winston churchill would be impress pre-ibm press. >> we can be pretty cynical in our everyday life. one of the things we have been most surprised at is when you think about the american spirit, that high near spirit, to do it ourselves spirit. we have been surprised at how strong that sensibility remains,

how hard people are working to just do whatever it is they want to do to have a better life to read i feel -- better life. >> it sounds like saps. it is a different impression than what you get from cable news breed not in the sense of these are wholesome americans. it is a different orientation. >> he made it clear people aren't any nicer. [laughter] >> thank you for coming out tonight. a senior undergraduate student, born and raised in the east coast. no familiarity with small town america. market, howhe job do young people like myself, no familiarity with the rest of the country, how do we break into these small towns and contribute to these economies?

only places look for jobs are in new york, washington, dc, seattle. had we moved to a place like eastport and contribute in a meaningful way? >> that is an interesting question. we should be in touch offline. i guess, as you say, the impression is the big cities where the talent goes. to see these tech startups in falls, it, and sioux is a matter of figuring out someplace that have some plausible appeal or connection to you. you have to like the winters in sioux falls and holland and eastport. you recognize you are in the south. >> and all that goes with that. he you have to recognize if you go to redlands, it can be 120 in the summer. aree are these people who the barometer of people in their

20's, and early 30's, who want to start their life and think i can do it here. that is what we see amongst these places. >> one other thing. we thought when we were in china there were a lot of american kids going to china. they didn't know what they were going to do when they arrived. i think it is the same thing here. showing up is 80% of the battle. show up, and if you make a educated or good choice, stuff starts to happen. if that doesn't work, try a different town. [laughter] way to enda hopeful on. thank you very much. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] next, a conversation with

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