guilty or guilty. innocence is foreign to the legal profession. i wanted to know what happened here. i was shocked at how difficult it was to get people to talk including people at duke. when i spoke to dick brodhead and told him i was doing this, his first reaction is why? we are beyond this. do not dredge it up again. >> we are talking about "the price of silence" and you said it could cost duke $100 million. >> each boy, each of the three indicted players got $20 million. >> is it public or something you found out? >> it is something i found out. i was told that repeatedly. one of the players had some

publicity about this and received a tax bill from the irs which was written about in a detroit paper. if you do the arithmetic, you can get the idea he was taxed based on something like a $20 million payment and this has since been confirmed to me. and that was of course, that is $60 million. there was a settlement with coach pressler who was fired. the lacrosse coach. they had to resettle with him because he brought a libel suit against the university when they paid $20 million to each of the players. the rest of the players on the team, the non-indicted players also sued duke. it was resolved in february of last year. they got cash and settlements. one lawsuit still remains among three of the players.

one including ryan mcfadden who wrote the horrible e-mail that caused a huge controversy at the time. between legal fees and settlement fees and pr spin and legal investigation, basically $100 million. >> give us -- i know you do not want to quote specific words. ryan mcfadden's e-mail said what? >> he was one of the sophomores on the team. one of the players there that was never in or near the bathroom never accused of anything. he was just doing the usual underage drinking that is so prevalent. after the party, he went back to his dorm and wrote an e-mail thinking he was writing to his fellow players on the team thinking he was quoting an ellis novel, paraphrasing an ellis novel. basically, he talked about wanting to reprise the party

that they had come from, but this time he was going to essentially -- paraphrasing, kill the women instead of just treating them like they did this time and doing other things to them. it was a very unfortunate e-mail, very vulgar e-mail. as a result of that e-mail which he thought he had sent to his colleagues on the lacrosse team, this was march 2006, our knowledge of social media and how these things get around not quite as sophisticated as today, that e-mail got to the police. somebody from duke turned it over to the police they saw the e-mail. it was about 10 days later after the incident. basically, all hell broke loose. people were being given the benefit of the doubt until that point. once the e-mail was made public

on april 5 after they searched mcfadden's room, the coach was fired, the season was canceled. ryan neck fat and was suspended from duke. he eventually came back. conflagrationger than it already was. >> a couple of quick things. where do you live now? >> new york city. >> what do you do? >> i am a full-time writer. i graduated from duke in 1991. >> who was the president there? >> a guy by the name of terry sanford who was a progressive governor from the state of north carolina and a great leader and a great man and educator. i love duke and i am a loyal alum. i did not do this to hurt duke. i did this to figure out what happened. in a dispassionate way.

again, there is a tremendous amount of passion about this story even to this day. all one has to do is go to amazon and see i've amassed 25 one-star reviews. even though it has not been out a week and is a 600 page book. i am sure many of them have not read the book. my last book was about goldman sachs and people have a lot of passion about that. this is in another realm. >> durham, north carolina is where? >> in the triangle. in the center of the state near raleigh and chapel hill. it is called the triangle because triangle park is there. -- research triangle park, very famous biotech and technology and research center and anchored by north carolina state, duke, and a unc. a huge sports rivalry especially in basketball.

>> how many students are there at the school? >> duke has about 6000 undergraduates. >> in the subtitle of your book, the duke lacrosse scandal and the power of the elite and the corruption of our great university. why did you expand it beyond the scandal itself? to our great universities? >> because i was amazed at a couple of things as i did my research into this. number one, duke, an institution is not that much different than a wall street bank that i have written three other books about. it is a very secretive institution. they have their myths and ways of doing business. they have a lot of power in the state of north carolina and nationally. they have a huge source of wealth in their endowment which is approaching $9 billion in the midst of a $3 billion endowment campaign.

>> wherewith would that put them nationwide? what certainly in the top 10. i think m.i.t. has $10 billion. harvard has $33 billion, $34 billion. they have an ambition to be in that league. that is part of the story. part of duke's ambition. the school is only 75 years old. it is not at the 350 year old school that harvard is. part of the reason that duke has the new president is because he was the former dean of yale college and well-respected educator and to duke wanted to get into the top elite of academic institutions in this country and also athletic institutions. it is a very interesting balancing act that duke is trying to do. only stamford and northwest and try to do it. -- stanford and northwest try to

do it. duke has been successful. top-notch athletic teams and top-notch path -- academics. this incident, it had unfortunately corrupted the university. >> i want to go back. this is a clip from cnn. nancy grace back in 2006 right after this happened just to show the intensity of this issue. as you said earlier, it was like the 370 flight that went on and on. let us watch. [video clip] >> david miller, what is your reaction to the indictment? >> i speak for many students that we are very concerned that two innocent people may have had their lives ruined. >> good lord. i am not saying it is not jury hasbut a grand heard evidence and deemed it fit to go to trial. hearing what the victim

has to say -- your first problem is two innocent people? i said we are concerned it is possible that two innocent people may have had their lives ruined. there are many inconsistencies. >> do you have a sister? >> i do. >> your first concern is false -- >> do not tell me what my first concern is. >> what are you seeing there? >> passion. this story just generated a lot of rushes to judgment. a lot of passion. it had a dog bites man quality to it. the idea that the three privileged, elite, white lacrosse players had raped a poor, single mother -- a black woman trying to put herself through north carolina central university by stripping. it got people cuckoo.

>> how did you approach doing this? >> dispassionately. >> when did you start working on this and why? >> i started working on it about three years ago.>> i started wot three years ago. as a duke alum, i felt the whole story completely distorted, first as you saw was nancy grace that if these kids are absolutely guilty right of the in bat. and the prosecutor did not do himself any favors by spending week on television regularly declaring the kids guilty. then the whole narrative changed. these kids had been railroaded and this woman is bipolar nifong is the worst thing, as the antichrist. the whole narrative got turned on its head. you have a resolution where these kids are paid $20 million

each and the university spends $100 million to preserve the brand. i wanted to know what happened. i wanted to be able to look back thanks to the lawsuits, one of which is still ongoing. there has been more evidence that has come to the light. i was able to talk to a number of people who had never spoken up before. i am an investigator reporter. -- i am investigative reporter. i do not see that much a difference between goldman sachs and duke university. >> who did not speak to you? well, surprisingly, dick brodhead would not talk to me. i asked, a number of times. i was sure as the president, knowing my reputation as a serious investigative

journalism, he would have the courtesy to meet with me for the even maybe repeat what he said hundreds of times during the course of the event. he would not. >> let's show the audience what president brodhead looks like. this from his apology he made during those times. [video clip] >> duke university richard brodhead said there are many lessons that need to be learned from the lacrosse case speaking, apologizing to the three players and their families about how the university handled the situation. >> we caused the families to feel abandoned when they were in need of support. this was a mistake. i take responsibility. >> the three members were charged after an exotic dancer claimed she was raped. a year later, roy cooper declared them innocent. >> these cases are over. >> are prior to that, the university canceled the lacrosse team's season. >> if there is one lesson the world should take from the case is the lesson of the danger of prejudgment and our need to

defend against it at every turn. what else could he have said, in your opinion? >> i think this prejudgment works both ways. people were prejudging these kids without the evidence being fully aired. there was never a trial here. and just as quickly as people prejudged these kids, they prejudged chrystal magnum, the victim who became known as the accuser. they then prejudged mike nifong who had been an attorney for 28 years. overnight, he becomes an evil conspiratorial individual who's out to get these three duke students. unfortunately, the pendulum swung so quickly and duke decided they needed to get it

behind it and paid $100 million a get behind it and move on. i note with interest, the clip showed the picture of the lacrosse house where the party occurred. that house has been wiped off the face of the planet. is an taken down and it empty lot. the clip also showed roy cooper, the state attorney. when mike nifong was forced to recuse himself, he turned it over to roy cooper who did a four-month investigation before declaring the boys innocent in 2007. you asked me who had not talked to me. roy cooper never talked to me. it is his right not to talk to me. he is the attorney general of north carolina. if he is going to declare the students innocent, i would think he would spend time with a serious investigative reporter doing a fair and balanced or -- fair and balanced portrayal

of what happened. he would not do it and he would not make his files available to me. >> go back to the date of the event. march 13, 2006. >> into the morning of the 14th. >> where is the house? >> duke has two campuses. the great gothic spread that everybody associates with duke. on the east campus, the neoclassical many of the , neoclassical buildings which was originally trinity college. it's about 1.5 miles away. there is a bus that goes between the two campuses on a beautiful, tree-lined road. and then off that, there is this neighborhood called trinity park. this gets to the problem of the fact that the drinking age is 21 in this country. everybody knows in universities and colleges, everybody under 21 is drinking. the president before brodhead

decided all freshmen should be put on this east campus of the neoclassical campus with the idea that perhaps drinking would be reduced. then she made rulings about who could drink and who could not drink on the west campus. this had the fact of pushing drinking in the homes of the neighborhood which is in trinity park neighborhood, which n upper-middle-class neighborhood. lots of people, fraternity guys, in houses and they rented and had big parties. it became a huge problem in this neighborhood. the neighbors were complaining repeatedly for years about public urination and loud noise of all public drunkenness. that became part of the perfect storm that occurred here in this neighborhood because the neighbors were complaining so vociferously that the durham police had to begin to take

notice, and the party happened during that beefed-up campaign to cut down on the party. >> the three boys names -- i know we saw david evans who se parents live in this town. who are the other 2? >> reade seligmann, who grew up in new york city. he went to a private school. , whose fathererty was a senior executive at bear stearns right before it collapsed which was the subject of my second book "house of cards." >> let's look a footage of reade seligmann. in 2007 -- when were they found innocent? 11, 2000 seven. >> ok, let's watch this. [video clip] >> came in and said, she picked you.

and -- i mean, my dad fell to the floor. and i just sat on the ground. and i said my life is over. >> what do you see? >> very moving testimony that was given during mike nifong's state bar hearing where he was eventually disbarred from. and then he was fired as well as the durham district attorney. very moving obviously. very emotional. reade seligmann was the only one of the three indicted boys that reached out to me. i reached out to them and most of them said no. they would not speak to me. reade seligmann wanted to speak. we had e-mail correspondence which i include in the book.

and the lawyers thought the better of having me speak to him and that never happened. he had -- you have to give him -- he had a pretty airtight alibi about where he was in various points of the evening including calling a cab and going to an atm machine, having his picture taken at an atm and taking money out and going to a restaurant and getting food. 12:30, 12:45 in the evening, and then going back to his dorm. he had an affidavit from the cab driver who basically testified that reade seligmann was in his car during the time this supposedly incident occurred. i asked mike nifong about that. what do you think about the alibi? he made his points where he thought it could very well be a manufactured alibi. he had his doubts. he points to the fact that when

reade seligmann asked for the cab to come pick him up at the house, he had the cab go to a house around the corner which mike nifong sees as strange behavior. why would you do that? obviously, he wanted to get away. i have a suspicion and mike nifong has a suspicion and crystal magnum has a suspicion that something torrid did happen -- that something untoward did in fact happen in the bathroom. it may not have happened with richard brodhead or collin finnerty or david evans. there are questions about evans and the other 2. one does get the sense that something happened that none of us would be proud of. let's see some of david evans. this is from a net bradley interview from cbs.

[video clip] >> do you think if it does go to trial that if you are convicted, you could face a lot of time in prison? do you ever think about that? >> would you? 30 years, i could go to jail for something based on a lie. >> what role he did he play? >> he was one of the cocaptains. there are 4. three of them lived in this house on buchanan. he was one of the people who arranged for the party. he arranged for the strippers at the party. he handled the money paid to them. they thought it will be a good idea to join all day and have the strippers come. >> were they in season? >> they were in the middle of the season. it was spring break. they had been practicing. there were two games that week. everybody else was off the campus. it was a 15 year tradition of having the party during spring break. again, why they thought it was a

good idea, i do not know. they had admitted, and no one questioning it, that usually what they did is go to strip clubs. they thought it would be better to have the strippers come to the house rather than go to a strip club. why they thought it was a good idea, i do not know. one of the interesting things -- -- an unanswered question in my mind, she said it was a struggle. she struggled for her life in the bathroom. she was wearing fake fingernails. she said during the struggle, the fingernails popped off. those fingernails were later found. on one of the fingernails was david evans' dna with 98% certainty. which seems pretty high to me. but i guess sometimes dna say that 2% probability

means not related at all. his attorneys said it got there through transference and where cooper, the attorney general said it got there through transference. saying he picked up the fingernails and put them in the trash which could have happened. except matt picked them up and put them in the trash, not david evans. matt, another of the cocaptains, said he did that. and even the police wondered why if he picks them up and put them into the trash, why david evan'' dna was on the fingernail? >> it sounds like you think david evans is guilty. >> i cannot say that because we will never know what happened. as donald rumsfeld said, it could be one of the unknown unknowns. there was never a trial. i am not going to be the one to say that he is guilty of doing something. there are questions i would like answers to that we are never going to get answers to because

roy cooper is not open up his files and david evans is not talking to me. >> where are the three young men today? >> david evans works for a private equity firm in new york. collin finnerty works as a broker at deutsche bank. reade seligmann went to law school at emory and works as a clerk for a federal judge in new jersey. >> can you conclude anything about the residual for the three boys based on what happened? it sounds like they have been successful. >> they have gone on with their lives. they feel terribly wronged. you see reade seligmann's emotion in that clip. evans' emotion, talking to ed bradley. that was six months before roy cooper declared them innocent. they have been able to go on with their lives.

interestingly, when i first contacted david evans, he was in at the wharton business school. i heard back from wharton saying i wish you would not contacted him at wharton because i do not think his classmates realize he is the david evans from the duke lacrosse case. they have gone on with their lives as they should. unless they got away with something. which, of course, we will never know. i also tell the story in this book of brian mcfadden, the guy who wrote in the e-mail. his life has been not ruined but almost ruined by the e-mail he sent that night that he thought was a joke. he thought he was sending it to his fellow players. he had to change his name. i wrote an excerpt about how his life has been changed forever because of what he did in the early morning hours of march 14. of 2006. >> it seems like if i were the president of duke or any of

these three boys or any of these people, i would not talk to you. why would i want you to rehash all of this and remind everybody about what happened? >> nobody wants me to write about them. i'm assure you, goldman sachs did not want me to write it. i am going to do it. i am thorough and i try to do a fair and balanced job. if in fact you are innocent and did not do anything, i would think you'd want to talk to me. i mean, obviously, first choice is i hope he does not write the book. second choice is you hope i get hit by a bus. third choice, if you're going to do it, i want to make sure he understands i did not do anything remotely like i was accused of doing. if i were a roy cooper, i will want to make sure nothing related to what crystal magnum said happened did not happen. if i were brodhead, a duke alum is writing this book and i would

think that we would want that point of view to get across. interestingly, bob steele, who was president of the board of trustees during the time, forming goldman partner under secretary of the treasury, working for hank paulson, duke told him not to talk to me, but he did it anyway. i have a lot to respect for help him for doing that. he told me what he thought was going on and how this affected him. >> what did he say? >> he basically said it was like a mcnamara and fog of war. i start with a quote from morris. about robert mcnamara, and has come out with this book about rumsfeld. he has investigated very

thoroughly and thinks there are a lot of unanswered questions. the quote i use is basically the truth is out there and in principle we can find it. that was my driving force. the truth is out there. and in principle we can find it. i did the best i could. but i do not know if we are ever going to get to the bottom of this unless some people who really know what happened to our not completely discredited, i do not think they are discredited, but everybody thinks crystal is discredited. just now a convicted murderer in jail for murdering her boyfriend. anything mike nifong -- and they think mike nifong is the antichrist. >> where is he now? >> he lives in durham and lives on a pension. he has health problems. he had cancer. he got over that.

he has since had a heart attack. he lives a very quiet, solitary life. but he did spend the time to talk to me and get a chance to tell his story that has never been told. >> you mentioned crystal magnum. let's take a look at her. this is after she was found guilty of murdering her boyfriend. let's watch. [video clip] >> crystal gail magnum. we, the 12 members of the jury find her to be guilty of second-degree murder. 2013, --vember 20 2, , 2013, by ther 22 foreperson. is this your verdict? if so, say you all? >> yea.

[indiscernible] >> i will ask each of you a series of questions. >> yes. >> would you please stand? >> i believe she is in a prison in north carolina. i do not know which one. i have never been able to figure out exactly which prison. >> go back to march 13 of 2006, what role did she play in that evening? how did it work? >> she was one of the two exotic dancers that the boys hired to dance for them for two hours. i cannot imagine what they were going to do in the two hours. the dance ended such as it was. it ended after five minutes. you know, at that point, there were racial epithets thrown.

there was the suggestion that perhaps a broom be used on the women. and that they were hoping the women would get together and perform on each other for the guys. basically, it quickly got under -- got out of control. many of them were pretty drunk. the two women left and went to the other dancer's car. the guys went back out and asked them to come in and they apologized and they asked to them to come back in and finish the dance. some people said they reluctantly went back in and others said they decided that there was more money to be made so they went inside. crystal found herself in the bathroom she claims with these guys who she said sexually assaulted and kidnapped her. they kept her there at her will.

-- against her will. >> here is kim roberts, the other woman. did they know each other? >> they had never met each other. >> were they hired out of the same place, and they both got $400 a piece? >> yes. >> how many boys were there? >> 45. >> come many of those were lacrosse players? >> all but 2 were lacrosse players. one of them was black. she said her assailants were white so the one black player was never -- he never had to give his dna was never part of the whole potential being indicted situation. >> you also say in the book that the boys originally wanted white girls to come? >> yes. >> why didn't they get what they wanted? >> i guess they weren't available. they were given the option of

black women and they said that would be fine. >> let's watch kim roberts. >> she said three guys grabbed her. they separated us at the master bedroom door matt took me to the bathroom. were you holding on to each other? were you pulled apart? is that true? >> no. >> did she give you any reason to believe she had been assaulted? >> no. >> did she at any point that i'd say anything about being in pain or being hurt in any way? no. she obviously was not hurt. she was fine. >> the whole body language from is that the other woman was lying. >> she first told the police that it was a crock. that was her word.

then she changed her story as well. basically said i do not know what happened. i was not with her. it is quite possible that this could have happened to her. of course, the defense says she changed her story because she entered into conspiracy with nifong because there was outstanding warrant for her arrest because of parole violation for something she had done and to reduce the cost and she changed her testimony. >> where is she today? >> i have no idea. >> i did, but i did not even know where to look. >> you suggest that without the nifong trialthe knife o that you would have not had a lot of the material. >> there was -- mike nifong's state bar hearing was in the spring of 2007.

it went beyond the declaration of innocence from roy cooper. there was also documentation that was made public as part of that. then, in addition to that, two sets of the players, who were the non-indicted layers, had filed major lawsuits against duke, and there was a lot of discovery about that, a lot of depositions, and a lot of documentation came out of that as well. that was made available. what was not made available was roy cooper's investigation, which was the basis for which he said -- he declared them innocent. there was a 20-page report. he certainly would not let me or anybody else see his investigatory file. >> what are your suspicious about cooper? >> he is the attorney general for the state. i think is running for governor.

he is running for governor in 2016. i would think that if you declare these kids innocent that he should make these files open. i do not know what is in there. it makes me suspicious. >> how was it from a legal standpoint that he defined them -- that he could find them not guilty? >> he found them innocent. it is not in the legal lexicon. you get the trial as somebody is -- you get to the trial and either guilty or not guilty. "innocent" does not exist in our justice system. he took a way out of that. mike nifong told me on the morning he declared them innocent, he was told by his cooper's 2 investigators he was going to say they were not

guilty. this idea of innocence. that was a complete shock to mike nifong as well as the other attorneys who -- it shocked everybody. using the word innocent is not usually used in the legal context. >> let us go back. why would duke settle with these boys for $20 million a piece? >> that is one of the big mysteries. that would have been something i would have loved to get from dick brodhead. i talked to trustee members. when i asked about -- >> chairman of the board? >> chairman of the board bob steele would not comment on why they settled, but other board members i talked to would, in and off the record. basically, the reason he gave -- they gave was that some duke administrators early on who were not lawyers gave the kids bad

legal advice which was do not tell your parents, do not go get lawyers, cooperate with the police, and this will go away. that gave duke -- they thought they had legal exposure because of that. beyond that, there was this desire to make this go away, to protect the duke brand. to make sure what it was decided -- that once it was decided that these kids were innocent, what duke wanted was not to litigate with them about what happened. so the easiest course of action was just to pay them $20 million, have them, i presume, sign nondisclosure agreements which explained why they are not talking to me and have not talked to anybody. it is not exactly clear why duke felt the need to pay these kids. people get wrongly convicted all the time.

there are places like the project who defend those kinds of people and try to reverse the judgments that were made. the people wrongly convicted -- spend 18 years in prison and get a $20,000 payment a year as a result. these kids spent other than their arraignment, an hour or two, no time in jail. no time in prison and got $20 million. >> go back to your own experience at duke. what did you major in? >> history major. >> what did you do after graduation? >> i was editor of "tobacco road," which was considered an alternative, quarterly magazine. left of center. hardly what somebody would call flaming liberal. after that, i was a reporter in upstate new york. and i went to columbia

journalism school for a year. then went back to raleigh. "the raleigh times" and covered public education for two years there. i got an investigative reporting award from the state of north carolina. i went to columbia business school and worked on wall street for 17 years. >> where did you work on wall street? >> first at ge capital, then at lazard frères which was the subject of my first book. and merrill lynch and finally, the firm that became jpmorgan chase. >> do you have any idea how much money the boys' families spent on legal fees? >> what i say in the book is that they spend upwards of $3 .illion dollars apiece they could have spent more at this point.

it could have been more at the time. just a figure that has been thrown out. >> what kind of financial shape were the parents in? >> collin finnerty's father was a banker at bear stearns. mortgage-backed security banker -- mortgage-backed securities banker. he then worked at various hedge funds. they had the resources to do this. reade seligmann was left well off and the bail for each of these kids was $400,000. seligmanns had to borrow the money from a friend. he had to appeal to a judge

because the friend wanted it back. david evans' mother is a big lobbyist. his father works at a law firm. they clearly had the resources. by the way, their defense team did an extraordinary job of defending these kids. whether these kids got away with something or not, we will never know. but they did an amazing job exploiting every mistake that nifong made. they got the state bar to attack mike nifong and file a complaint against him that forced him to recuse himself and turn it over to roy cooper. >> david evans' mother was a lobbyist for cbs for a long time? >> that is correct. >> is there a bigger lesson to learn? that goes beyond duke to other colleges? are there lessons of the law, the legal aspect of this?

>> well, to some extent, and -- it shows how the legal system can be corrupted. from both sides. it can be corrected by a prosecutor who is too aggressive in making statements, even though he believes in his mind in his mind that the idea was to bring this to trial. clearly the justice system was subverted here. there was no trial. how many times can you think that somebody has been indicted and there is no trial? >> how long was there between the indictment and the time that were found innocent? >> about a year. the first two indictments were april 17, 2006, and then if one was may 15, 2006. >> how can an attorney general say they are innocent?

"did his investigation." this is unprecedented. i happen to know the district attorney in manhattan. i think that had it not been for this case which proceeded that case he preceded the , dropped that dkks case. he was accused of raping a woman at a hotel room in new york it was a he said/she said. they pulled him off an airplane when he was going to france. he dropped the charges. i think a large part was because what of happened here. this case has had ramifications among district attorneys all over the country and it has had ramifications among athletic departments all over the country. in elite programs the , juxtaposition of trying to be an elite academic institution and athletic institution. duke tries it and stanford tries

it. duke arguably has had more success even since stanford. anybody who went to college or who want their kids to go to college, this is a cautionary tale about how something as simple as i think we'll have a party on a monday afternoon, because we feel sorry for ourselves because we are the only people on campus. and thinking it is a good idea , can have anippers extraordinary conflagration. the duke ex- lacrosse coach, mike pressler. he was on espn's "first take." talking about this case. [video clip] >> mike pressler tells his story in a book. mike joins us now. before we get into the book, the

title, where did it come from? >> a very famous phrase by the athletic director at duke when he was trying to tell me the season had to be canceled. and i implored him that he could not cancel the season because he promised the players there would be no further cancellation of games until charges were brought. >> if it was not about the truth, what was it about? thatere are many layers to answer. it was about a lot of things. it was about peoples' agendas, the faculty in particular. a lot of prejudgment by so many people. not only duke university but the entire country. >> where is mike pressler today? >> he is the head lacrosse coach at bryant university. in rhode island. >> how did he leave, under what circumstances? >> the athletic director, after

mcfadden's e-mail, which was part of a search warrant and was , but on april 5, 2006, it was unsealed. as soon as it was unsealed and became public, that was when mike pressler was fired and the season was canceled. he was right. they were willing to suspend disbelief and let this play out until indictments came or not. once the mcfadden e-mail came out, he was fired. and the season was canceled. >> you open the book about coach k. kryzewski, the coach at duke. i saw that he allegedly got $10 million. what was that story about? >> i was able to figure he got $9 million.

dick brodhead which had been the dean of yale college and highly respected was recruited by bob steele. duke is a very ambitious school and wanted to be among the elite academic institutions in the country. top three or four or five. they thought brodhead will be the latest in a line of great leaders at duke who made the school -- puts the school among the top elite in the country. he was supposed to start july 1. even before he started, he was in his office unpacking his bags. in came joe alleva with the incredibly stunning news that coach k had been offered $40 million contract to coach the los angeles lakers. even before brodhead started at the duke, coach k with -- was basically threatening to

leave to go to the lakers with a contract there was no way that duke could match. his first real test even before he started his job was to figure out a way to get coach k to stay and he did. coach k deciding he will rather be a college basketball coach than a professional coach. then he won another title in 2010. giving him his fourth title, national championship, and he has become the winningest coach i history.n 1 it was very clear example of where the power at the duke lies and that is with coach k. he's by far the most powerful guy at duke university. he gets paid more than anybody else. he goes on national tv whenever

he wants people recognize that. he was in for a very different lesson. that is why he got schooled again. >> at the end of your book, you have a chapter called denouement and you mentioned other places and the problems they have had and the scandals they have had. cornell, vanderbilt, u.s. naval academy, harvard, yale, northwestern, wesleyan. it is everywhere. what did you learn or pass on to us? >> what i learned is underage drinking is an epidemic. binge drinking is an epidemic. there is bad behavior that results from too much drinking on campus and we all know there is way too much drinking on campus. president obama in january put together a task force of his cabinet to address the growing

issue of rape on campus. this is out-of-control situation. i am not sure how to address it. there are people addressing this whose pay grade is far greater than mine. i expect it starts with the 21 year old drinking law. that law basically makes no sense. every college administrator and university administrator across this country has to look the other way as a result of the drinking age being 21. but it is a bit crude, is in your book and i want to read it back. this is from a dartmouth student. it was written for the dartmouth newspaper in 2012. he is talking about fraternity. he said i was part of a fraternity that asked pledges -- a little strong, but it is has

a little strong, but it is has something. are fraternities that bad? >> anecdotally, we have these stories. it is just one of any of stories. i also tell the story of the pledge at cornell a couple of years ago who died as a result of too much drinking. duke has had any number of students die from too much drinking. >> what were you like when you are at duke? >> the drinking age was 18. i did drink. i did not binge drink. occasionally, i drank too much like anybody. i certainly did not do the things that i read about -- that i wrote about in this book. >> ever heard of parties with

strippers? >> never heard of that. i had friends in fraternities. i never heard of anything like that. >> coach pressler, did he know about the drinking when he was coaching the boys? >> according to the reports, it it is very clear that he was aware there was a lot of drinking going on among his players. coach k forbids drinking among his basketball players. other coaches have different rules. but for whatever reason, pressler was more permissive. it was more accepted in the culture that the lacrosse players were the party players. they had women hang around who were known as the lacrosse titutes.

the evidence came out was that pressler knew it and couldn't do anything about it. he was not the only one. the administered some knew as well. higher-ups he reported to and not do anything. >> if you were meeting with president brodhead and he said ok, look me in the eye and tell me what i did wrong, what would you say? >> i think -- i am not sure frankly that he didn't do -- that he did do anything wrong. he has been criticized mercilessly for not coming out in support of the kids sooner. he's in a very difficult position. he is a middleman. he is a fiduciary for the university. well before he even knew about it, it was already basically in the legal system. in the police system. in the judiciary system. the district attorney was getting ready to open an investigation. what could he do? i think he did what he could do. >> should they have paid the boys $20 million a piece? >> i do not understand that. except for wanting it to just go

away. >> where did they get the money? >> duke is a wealthy university. they had the insurance to cover this thing. aig was their insurance company, ironically. -- duke had to pay declined to pay, they sued and aig won. duke has to pay it. >> you said the house was torn down. why and who owned it? >> a group of these houses in this trinity park neighborhood were owned by duke alum. two weeks before this party occurred, in this one house that the players were renting, duke bought these homes from the alum because of all the complaints. the fact that a duke alum was renting them. the idea was it was going to be rented to non-students, so the

issue would go away. but unfortunately, before that the implement to rent to non-students, the party occurred. a couple of years ago, they decide to tear it down. now it is an empty lot. >> last question. mike nifong, who was the district attorney in durham, was he right or wrong the way he conducted himself? especially in that first week or so, declaring them guilty? >> i think he would probably be the first to say he regrets all of the public statements he made. he was the first to tell me why he did that. it was the first night he had a chance to talk about it and people could give him for speaking out as share his point of view. his problem was he was the district attorney trying to figure out where the suspects

-- who the suspects were, who the people were who had done this and he did not have any suspects. his thoughts by going public and describing what he believed happened based on the police investigation and what crystal magnum has said. that he could smoke out somebody who would feel guilty about what they thought may have happened in the bathroom. and would be willing to come forward. unfortunately, that did not work. so within a week's time, he gave that up and basically did not talk to the media again. but he was crucified for doing it publicly during that week. >> the name of the book is "the price of silence: the duke lacrosse scandal, the power of the elite, and the corruption of our great universities." and the author and our guest, william cohan. thank you very much. >> thank you, brian. >> for free transcripts or to

give us your comments about this program, visit us at qanda.org. "q&a" programs are also available at c-span podcasts. we should have finished al qaeda in 2001. our general who was there -- but he was not just the general, all of us think back -- we were attacked on 9/11. died, moreans americans than died at pearl harbor, and we had al qaeda and we had osama bin laden trapped in some mountains called tora bora. we did not finish them off. then we let them escape over the other side of the mountain because we said that is pakistan territory.

think for a moment. can you imagine during world war won the battle of midway, which changed the entire war against japan, we sail across the international date line in the pacific and attack the japanese, destroyed their fleet, 1942. he went across the international date line will stop supposing he had turned back and said that is the international date line and japan has said if we do not cross the international date line, we will take as part of the pacific and you take that, and we live happily ever after. we get to these mountains in the middle of nowhere, and we allow al qaeda to escape? it makes no sense. our entire country had become more legalistic. we should have gone and finished it right then. >> this month, book tv's club west's "the bigng

wrong war." on may 4, look for our next j. rodriguez. his 2011 release, "it calls you back." fine book tv every weekend on n2.pan note rea >> during this month, c-span is pleased to present our entries in the student camp competition. studentcam competition. the question we asked was, what is the most important issue the u.s. congress should consider in 2014? second prize winner will ratliff is a junior from jenks high school in jenks, oklahoma. he believes the farm bill is the most important issue.

>> hi, i will ratliff, and welcome to the farm. hi, i am will ratliff, and welcome to the farm. farmers -- we are a large part of making america what it is today. without us, there would be no food to eat, no clothing to wear. farming has always been around since the beginning of civilization. farming has always been a job with lots of risk. every season we gamble with crops and we gamble with equipment and we gamble with mother nature. but now we have another force to contend with. andnt farm bill legislation holdups in congress have many farmers worried for the future of farming. we will take a look at these prepare and how to them. >> the farm bill will have an

effect on everybody. the reason congress should be concerned is not only does it play a significant role in terms of budget issues that the congress and people are facing right now, but it also is a piece of our food production system needs some attention. one specific example of how the farm bill is helping folks really goes back to its origination. -- roosevelt proposed this when roosevelt proposed this as part of the new deal during the depression, you experiencing an oversupply of certain commodities. so this was implemented as a way to manage that supply while also keeping the people in production , agriculture, employed and in business. >> so if we look at how farmers or those in production benefit, the picture would be different than what we would have without the farm bill. an example might be that people

were to experience significant weather volatility. not only will they provide risk management options for those in production of agriculture come at it funds a lot of the conservation efforts for different resources around the country. it also even looks at, from the research, helping with financial assistance and lending practices. with all those things together, they promote production of agriculture and make it more efficient. however, the farm bill does not just affect farmers like me and my family. the farm bill also contains the snap program. the snap program is more commonly referred to as food stamps. food stamps cost the american taxpayers over $74 billion. foodnd it helps provide for people providing for their families.

with all this talk, you would think that the farm bill only deals with food. but in fact it also deals with the fuel industry. the farm bill regulates ethanol subsidies given to ethanol producers to buy corn and produce ethanol. this costs the u.s. $45 million, and nobody understands the effects of these subsidies better than my dad, an american farmer. >> if, for example, the farm bill subsidizes a certain crop over another crop, it incentivize is the farmer to plant that crop, and in the end you may actually end up with more supply of that grain or product than what the market really needs. you see that over and over where we subsidize -- where the government will subsidize a certain aspect of production,

and guess what, we will produce that. then we end up with warehouses full of a product that goes un utilized. in the government has to step in and bail out somebody who went bankrupt because the prices would not support that much product. >> the modern farm bill should marketing,planting, or international trade distortions. let me be clear. target prices should be decoupled and the government should not set prices at a level to practically guarantee profit instead of acting as a risk management tool. to minimize government programs on farmers decisions of what they grow and how much they grow. that ought to be their decision based upon the productivity of the land and what it is suited for four and what the marketing

-- and what the market demands. >> we need regional equity that andws the same opportunity protections for all types of commodities, not just in certain areas. we need an epa that helps farmers comply with the necessary regulations and not aggressive, police like agency punishing those trying to yield crops. the farmers and measures of georgia and as well as farmers across this great nation that we uphold the strength of the safety net at american agriculture depends on in this farm bill. >> as we have seen time and time again, farmers are the backbone of america. without us, life as we know it would not be possible. however, the volatility of the economy and congress' inability ispass a new farm bill creating a lot of uncertainty for the future of the agricultural industry. that is why congress needs to sit down today to plan out a

better farm bill that will benefit the future of america. >> to watch all of the winning videos and to my more about our competition, go to c-span.org andclick on studentcam, tell us what you think about the issue that this student wants congress to consider. post or comment on our facebook page or tweet it using the hasht studentcam. next, washington journal. then a discussion on russian politics. among the speakers, supreme court justice stephen breyer. basics,u start with the which is that everybody acknowledges that consumers have a right to an antenna, everybody

that there is nothing wrong with a combination of an antenna, and back then a vcr, now a dvr. the debate seems to be where that equipment is located because nobody has appealed the finding of facts, that each individual consumer controls their own agenda. antenna is actually dead until the consumer logs in and instructs the antenna to tune into a particular frequency. each individual consumer makes their own copy, distinct, never mingles with anyone else's, and watches what is transmitted themselves. we as a country do we permit-- this idea of private conduct, which reports have consistently found yes, we do. and congress has been encouraging the idea of

consumption of local broadcast television. so the idea that a new way of capturing this signal by an individual should somehow be inhibited is absolutely andrrect, incorrect policy, a devastating blow to innovation in the next step of our injury -- of our industry, which is moving all these technologies away from the consumers' home into the cloud. >> tuesday, the supreme court ereo iske up whether a violating broadcast law. ojia.from chet kan michael greeng, with the center for strategic and international studies, previous president obama's trip to asia this week. then kaiser health news .orrespondent jay hancock and national reporter then --

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